Real Christianity vs. Whatever The Heck It Is Conservatives Actually Follow

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jesusphilosophyFor a while now I’ve been a big advocate for reclaiming Christianity back from the radical right-wing fake Christians who’ve hijacked it for far too long.

I’ve just grown absolutely sick and tired of people associating Christianity with whatever it is these conservatives seem to worship.

Because it sure as heck isn’t Christianity.

I’ve called it Republicanity, though that’s just a term I’ve coined to describe what I feel most of them actually follow.

But what is it that they think they actually follow? Because, honestly, what “Christian” traits do they really have?

Being anti-abortion? Okay, let’s just give them that. Let’s say life begins at conception and abortion is morally wrong.

That’s a simple fix – they don’t have to have an abortion.

See, for me, abortion rights aren’t about being pro-abortion but being pro-it’s none of my business what a woman does with her own body. The “morality” of it lies within each individual.

What else?

Guns? I’m not quite sure how guns would fit into the Christianity narrative. In fact, I’m pretty certain Jesus Christ would oppose both violence and guns.

Opposition to homosexuality? When I see people who are homophobic, I don’t see “values” derived from faith – I see ignorance emulating from basic human nature. Because I’ve met plenty of “Christian” conservative men who oppose same-sex marriage, but would have no problem seeing two women kiss. But show them two men kissing, and that’s an entirely different story.

Besides, why would God really care? With all the horrors going on in the world, who cares who someone else loves? How about we focus on real problems like poverty, homelessness and child abuse rather than waste time worrying about who someone else wants to marry? Deal?

Maybe they base their faith on how much they give to their church. While it’s true conservatives often do donate to their church fairly generously, can we really give them credit for that? After all, isn’t that what they’re told to do by their church? Tithe? Can you really boast about generosity that you’re guilted into giving?

Besides, it’s hard to claim you stand for charity and generosity, when the political party you support vilifies those living in poverty as lazy moochers just wanting a handout.

Jesus Christ told us to help the helpless, defend the defenseless and protect the poor and needy. Which is the exact opposite of the political ideologies of the typical “conservative Christian.” They believe that greed is what should drive our economy and social safety nets meant to help the poor are unconstitutional.

Which is extremely hypocritical considering many of these conservative Christians rely on those very same government programs to survive.

But, really, what is it that makes them “Christians”? Church attendance? That can’t be right. Church is just a building.

What if someone isn’t able to leave their home because they’re too sick, elderly or disabled? Are they then not allowed to be a Christian?

It can’t be about church attendance.

Is it because they read the Bible? That wouldn’t make sense. Atheists read the Bible, they’re not Christians. Jewish people follow the Bible too, and they’re not Christians.

Besides, many different Christian denominations interpret the Bible in very different ways. Yet they all consider themselves Christians.

So, what Christianity seems to come down to in my opinion is who you are as a person and how closely you try to live your life according to the beliefs of Jesus Christ.

Because that’s what Christianity is supposed to be about.

And the political beliefs most of these “conservative Christians” support via the Republican party damn sure aren’t taken from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Fear, paranoia, anger, the love of guns, greed, judgement, hatred, selfishness… those are the values I see most often from these conservative “Christians.”

So, while they might continue to call themselves Christians, I think it’s important that everyone else stops doing it. Because I’m sick and tired of these people tarnishing a faith that stands for none of the values they hold dear.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.
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  • adcbeast

    Conservatives use the 1st Amendment in an attempt to impost their POLITICAL views on the world ..

  • I-RIGHT-I

    Blah, blah, blah. Same old nonsense from the same old kiddie communist peanut gallery. I note the Muslims are good to go though, no problem there right girls?

    • Sherri G

      Who said anything about Muslims? He is pointing out the hypocrisy of the conservative christian. Its fact and needs to be discussed. Jesus said to bring the children to him and protect them and yet look at what happened with the Central American refugee crisis–so called Christians treating them as lepers but if they were European refugees, I’m sure it would be a different story.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        They are lepers and most of them are not children. Neither is it unchristian to protect the nation from hordes of diseased, illiterate and criminal foreign nationals. You should try it. I assume this is your country too.

      • Ginny Mea

        Oh my . . .do you have any idea how hateful you sound??? Can you imagine Jesus saying “turn the other cheek and then bomb the he’ll out if them”????

      • I-RIGHT-I

        The “gentle Jesus” is planning to kill about 2/3 of humanity one day soon. How do sleep at night?

      • Naomi

        You really are a piece of shit. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        That is no way for a lady to talk and, you have a bad attitude.

      • Betty J Rousey

        Do you see the difference between loving, peaceful religion, and a Fundamentalist now? Fundamentalists are full of hatred. Snide, Jesus spoke of this type in the Bible. I don’t think they believe in Jesus’ role as too important… he says things which go against their “Angry God” vision.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        “Who said anything about Muslims?”
        I did pointing out that Muslims known to be hateful and deadly to ALL Westerners get a pass while the Christian gets the knife. The Left has a death wish and I for one want no part of it.

      • Retrodude

        Idiotic to say the least. Not all Muslims hate Westerners, dipshit.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        There may be one or two that do not but you’ve never met them. But ALL leftwingfuqwits like you hate Christians. Dipshit.

      • Nancy B

        Ignorance shows up acutely when one makes sweeping generalities.I have lived by and worked along side with several Muslims. Additionally, I don’t hate Christians. I just don’t want them to impose their beliefs on my life. Overall, I’ll take the Muslims that I know over fundamentalist Christians any day.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        You’re funny. Christians don’t impose on you at all. We try and conserve Western ideals, Christian morals and Western virtue in the face of the destroyers. Liberals destroy conservatives preserve. It’s been that way since the French Revolution or even possibly since the “Endarkenment”. Hang on Sugar, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

      • Nancy B

        And yet, I’m excluded from pledging my allegiance to my country without altering the words and I can’t buy rum, let alone a car, in my state on a Christian “day of worship”. My friends were only recently granted permission to marry, and . . . . Well, never mind. The list goes on. Yes, Christians impose on me. Western ideals. Pffft. I doubt that you even know what that means. If you did, you’d have left it out.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        You haven’t pledged since you were a kid, it didn’t bother you then. You never run out of rum so that’s not really an issue. Car salesmen need a day off too don’t they? Your friends are sexual deviants so who cares? You don’t like Western ideals because you’re one of the destroyers and idealism of the Western sort confuses and upsets you. I know exactly who you are.

      • Scooby154

        how are her friends sexual deviants

      • I-RIGHT-I

        It’s just a guess.

      • Scooby154

        don’t be a Jackass who are you to say someones a sexual deviant then get called out on it and the only reply you have is “It’s just a guess” LOL your dismissed

      • karensc

        Wow, you are really full of hate.

      • Dawn Lemm-Kawecki

        You are so right. I get sick and tired of these people shoving their beliefs down everyone’s throat all while calling other religious zealots the bad guy! You all suck! Religion, especially Christianity, has been responsible for more death throughout history than any other single entity. The bible advocates rape, slavery and murder. Just because you no longer sell your daughter for a goat, doesn’t make you a good person. When you start to except your beliefs as your own, stop worrying about what everyone else is believing, or how they choose to live their lives, stop judging others for their differences and start caring about one another because of who they are, not what they believe….then you’re a good person, what religion you believe in is irrelevant. Stop trying to convince yourself that your faith makes you superior and just try excepting others as they are, flaws and all. That will make you a good person! Love, your local atheist

      • TaxPaying American Voter

        All religion is MAN MADE. THIS IS MASS HYSTERIA. All you weak minded people worshiping invisible idols. Making up your own ideas for others to follow. Keep letting others tell you how to live your life. This is hilarious. My god is more powerful than yours, keep YOUR ignorant, imaginary beliefs out of Government. If you want to preach find some gullible, knuckle-draggers and start your own tax-free cult.

      • 1mule1

        Just curious. Who is your god?
        Not saying this to cause trouble.
        Just curious.

      • TaxPaying American Voter

        My God is not man made. I don’t follow man made rules. If you know something is wrong such as murder or screwing a goat in public. DON’T DO IT. I do not need ANY church to figure this out. There are so many people that need to be reminded daily. I feel for them, I sympathize, but I do not empathize. If you need weekly afformation you are weak minded and have no moral fiber to your being. One rule- keep religion out of politics, simple right?

      • Christian for life

        Why must you write something worthy, and well said, only to follow it up with hatred? Calling names didn’t make you the better, smarter person. Loving another even though their opinion differs from your own is what Christ was about.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Hate what God hates and love what God loves I always say. Oh, and Christ never said anything bout loving dipshits. You know, just like he never said anything about homosexuals being sinners. What’s the emoticon for “rolling eyes” anyway?

      • Ginny Mea

        Oh my. . . I’m so sorry for your hate filled heart. . . Please go get some help. You know Jesus gives us choices and there are Christian psychologists out there to help you feel peace again. They can help you with whatever abuse you suffered as a child and help you love again. . .

      • 1mule1

        God hates sin. He is angry with the wicked everyday.
        Before anyone came to Christ they (we) were wicked.
        God does say “he would that none should parish, but that all would come to repentance.”
        What about John 3:16? What about the cross?
        Jesus payed our penalty. He first loved us. Without the love of Christ, how does one win the lost to Him?
        One must also know that God’s wrath is equal with His love. God’s judgement comes out of His love.
        Have you never heard “you reap what you sow.”?
        Christianity is just false words and actions without God.

      • Mark Esche

        “Parish”? WTF?

      • Betty J Rousey

        Ah, but Fundamentalism seems to be ALL about conformity, and NOT reading the Bible for yourself. Fundamentalism is about tolerating no deviation from what that particular sect believes. Any dissent, and hatred for you follows…

      • Ginny Mea

        Why are you so vicious??? What did your parents do to you to make you hate so much??? We’re you bullied in school???

      • Betty J Rousey

        Sorry Pharisee, but there are plenty on the left who are Christians. I can’t help but think those on the right need to read more of Jesus’ words, and get their punishment-minded heads out of the old book of Leviticus. Jesus took back most of it. Read JESUS. Then see how much hatred you have in you.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Sorry Betty but you are the one that hates. You hate God you hate my country and you’ll hate yourself soon enough if you stick around these so called Progressives. I’m only here by accident and there’s no doubt in my mind I won’t be here much longer. Neither will all my comments. The hive won’t allow it.

      • PURSUEGOD1

        Jesus took back most of it? I don’t know how you could have come to that erroneous conclusion.

      • Mark Esche

        You seem to be hung up on “the Finger” Let me give you mine . . .

      • Jillz

        … couldn’t help it. I laughed out loud at your comment. Thank you! 🙂

      • Gina Hampton Dukes

        My sister in law is a Muslim from Turkey. She and her family all have morals and values. They love and respect people. There are zealots in every religeon. Some of us choose to recognize that fact while others like you would rather throw a whole community under the proverbial bus for the actions of some. The writer is pointing out that many Republicans who were elected to serve as a government for the people are using their power to make religeous zealots out of true Christians. The separation of church and state has been crossed. This is no different from Muslim nations whose leaders are trying to inforce their zealot beliefs on their country. It’s all a nastiness that needs to be spit out.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        “My sister in law is a Muslim from Turkey.”
        I’m sure she’s a lovely lady. Ask her why she didn’t marry a Muslim. Then read some horror stories about the Muslims in the USA and Europe. The USA should ban Islam for the death cult it is.

      • Betty J Rousey

        You first mentioned Muslims. I am beginning to think that you are a troll – sent to prevent a meaningful discussion about a very good article — the difference between true believers, and Fundamentalists, who are more Machievellan than anything else.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Fundamentalists are the only ones that read and understand (very small u on understand) the entire narrative from Old to New. You can’t do that, it’s obvious. You’re a cherry picker.

      • Nancy B

        Yes, you have correctly spotted a troll. I’m guilty of feeding it because I didn’t spot it as quickly as you did.

      • Gina Hampton Dukes

        That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. This all encompassing statement likens to saying all christians are just like those who belong to the Westboro Baptist Church. ALL religeons have their extremists.

    • Pipercat

      Yeah, and those damn Buddhists! Don’t get me started!!!

      • I-RIGHT-I

        The Buddhists are getting much better at protecting themselves from the Muslims. In fact I recently read an Al Duhzeera piece where the head choppers were complaining about being attacked. Imagine that? The Middle East and African Christians that are being annihilated by the head choppers should take note and follow suit.
        What do you think about that “Christian for Life”? Would Jesus approve?

      • Roger

        You write about western ideals, what is that exactly?? Having slaves? Not allowing women to vote? Treating none whites as Inferiors? Having separate restrooms for whites and nonwhites, is that it? Did you know that some of founding fathers were not Christian???? OMG right!!! And that the United States was not founded as a Christian nation!! Read some history typical conservative all bark no facts!!!!

      • I-RIGHT-I

        You know Rodge, those ideals, virtues and faith that allow you to sit wherever you are without some Nazi, Commie or Muzzie hiding behind every tree waiting to kill you. In any case your public education has let you down. Don’t worry I have an app for that.

      • Pipercat

        You have this perpetual tangential thought process down!

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Actually I was simply following your tangent and bringing into the mix to support my arguments. Thanks for that Piper.

      • Pipercat

        Just like I thought you would! No, thank you for not letting me down!

      • I-RIGHT-I

        No, you didn’t know the Buddhists had it in them. It surprised me too. All faiths around the globe have been violently impacted by the cult of the moon god. Yikes, I just told you something else you didn’t know. Yeah, you’re welcome.

      • Pipercat

        Curious how you missed the facetious nature of my first reply. I had to scroll waaaaay up there to see your first comment. Then, scroll waaaay down to see how it flew over your head like a B17 at an airshow. You see, the piece was about the dichotomy of faith vs. ideology. I must confess, that Allen tends to be to a bit too conditional in his writing, but the underlying thesis is clear. You come along and, without even knowing it, reinforce the precise proposition stated in this piece. So I must reiterate, thank you for all of your support!

      • I-RIGHT-I

        I don’t miss much and I didn’t miss you. Al isn’t qualified to discuss any kind of Christian dichotomy since he isn’t studied in any theological discipline. That’s one of the reasons I suggested he drop in on the good people at Dallas Theological Seminary. I’d like to see him improve his craft, fellow Texan and all.

      • Pipercat

        The problem with arguing from authority is that the argument is fallacious. In this case, the author’s qualifications.

  • Jim Valley

    When I was a kid, I assumed that religious people were better than everyone else. Once I grew up I realized that no, actually they are the same as everyone else. Now that I am older still, I finally realize that they are in fact WORSE than everyone else, what with their dogmatic, black-and-white thinking, their willingness (even eagerness!) to believe impossible and untrue things, and their desire to impose their own harsh religious restrictions on the society at large.

    • I-RIGHT-I

      You’re still a kid, kid.

      • Jim Valley

        Meaning what exactly? How old are YOU?

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Assuming you’re the handsome strapping young man in the photo I’d say I’m older than you. Wiser too. Possibly even smarter. Not that it matters.

      • Xxtian

        Wow. All bow to this dude. NOT.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Duuuuude!

      • Jim Valley

        Silly man. My avatar is not me, just like your avatar is not you. He is a minor rock star from the 60s who you obviously have never heard of. I am retired myself.

        You may be older than me, but there is no reason to believe that you are wiser. Or even smarter. Not that it matters.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        It’s a shame you’re still in the 60’s mentally. You’re certainly not wiser or smarter given the comment I replied to. But you sure did fool me. I fully expected you to be like….duuuuuude with the hat on backwards. I guess standing still is what you call being a Progressive.

      • Humma Kavula

        Exactly what is your point?

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Who knows? Given the place we find ourselves I’d say I was telling him how disappointed I was to hear that a 60+ year old gentleman still doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong. I’d blame his parents but it’s a little late for that.

      • Mark Musser

        How did you assume that ‘Jim’ was amoral from what he posted?

      • chrisgogh

        So what you’re basically saying is that being young would mean he’s inexperienced, and being old automatically means he’s stuck in the past? What, exactly, do you consider to be the “correct” age?

        The truth is, you don’t have a good argument, so you grasp at straws in your attempt to discredit the person with the Jim Valley name and avatar. How sad your life must be.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        So you want me to go back and explain to YOU why Jim doesn’t get a pass? How sad your life must be.

      • regressive white trash reli

        regressives ( see: ‘CONSERVATIVES” ) are going backwards

      • Zemo Carpathian

        Jim Valley is still around. He is a folk type guy. And Try, Try, Try is a great song that always makes me feel good.

        As far as the subject, I am moral but not religious.

      • chrisgogh

        *and. Not that someone can’t be both moral and religious, but obviously, the two are not mutually exclusive.

      • Zemo Carpathian

        You are correct. However, I will always take moral over religious. Just remember, Islam, the religion of peace and the Catholic Inquisition and the world-wide forced conversion to Catholicism. I really don’t see much difference.

      • chrisgogh

        You’ll hear no argument from me about that. Some of the worst atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity and Islam, and groups like ISIS are doing the exact same thing the Catholic church did in the Inquisition.

    • 1mule1

      I assume you think “christians” are the only ones who impose their own “harsh religious restrictions. ”
      So blind.

      • Jim Valley

        Why do you assume that? I didn’t say anything of the kind. The word “Christian” does not appear in my comment. Only yours.

      • 1mule1

        The article is pitting “Christianity” with other “beliefs.”
        Besides, you stared out assuming.

      • Margaret Dunlap

        “Besides, you stared out assuming.” Possibly, what is he looking at?

      • Stephen Barlow

        ‘started’ perhaps?

      • Jim Valley

        I have no idea what this means.

      • Stephen Barlow

        SEE, this is the imagination at work AGAINST Jesus’ teaching. “When you are wrong, stop what you are doing and go to you brother, ask forgiveness and make peace before the sun goes down.”

        YOu need to apologize for being WRONG, not make up a worse mistake to cover your shame.

      • BadKitty

        I know this was a month ago, but i have to note — The first phrase in your post is “I assume…”, so you’re doing exactly the same thing you’re criticizing Jim for.
        Only Jim said, “WHEN I WAS A KID, I assumed … “and then followed with “Once I grew up, I REALIZED…”
        You need to work on your reading comprehension before posting comments.

      • 1mule1

        Funny. I know exactly what and how I made my comment.
        Maybe try critisizing someone who cares for your thoughts.
        Thanks. Have a nice day.

      • BadKitty

        Amusing you should make that suggestion, since you don’t follow your own advice or you wouldn’t have responded. You have a nice day too!

      • chrisgogh

        You know what and how you made your comment, and yet you still couldn’t stop. Sucks to be you!

      • Darrian

        So you’re being obtuse on purpose ?

      • DavidD

        That is what trolls do along with being as confrontational as possible.Truth means nothing but diversion is everything.
        You are not going to get a honest discussion out of them.

      • Betty J Rousey

        No, the taliban does also.

      • 1mule1

        My question was retoeracle Betty.

      • Margaret Dunlap

        Wait, I get it now, you mean rhetorical. They have adult programs for the people who weren’t able to finish high school.

      • 1mule1

        Funny Margaret. You must be one of those extreme liberals. A self-righteous nobody.
        That’s ok. You have a lot of company. 😉

      • Margaret Dunlap

        You are everything that is wrong with the school system in the US. You should have gotten an F in English but that wouldn’t have allowed you to express yourself or whatever hogwash they come up with when junior can’t cut it and mommy and daddy make excuses for them. “We don’t believe in grades, they harm self-esteem.” You can put that where the sun doesn’t shine. In my day, we didn’t have computers or the internet, we read books and did our homework. Disgraceful.

      • Pipercat

        What’s sad, they don’t even see the squiggly red line under words like, “retoeracle.”

      • Stephen Barlow

        Funny how this LOOKS like a more accurate spelling than rhet or i cal

      • Stephen Barlow

        I think it is WRONG of you to DENY the right of expression, no matter how far “Every child left behind” left him behind. He’s a victim of the Bush Era. I was a victim of Nixon and Reagan.

      • Jim Valley

        “retoeracle”? OK, you win the Creative Spelling Award. But it’s “rhetorical”.

        (* Rolls eyes *)

      • 1mule1

        Miss spell a word and the heathens come out to attack. If it wasn’t so sad, it would be funny.
        oh, wait. It is funny.

      • karensc

        Why don’t you look up the words before you use them? Then, you wouldn’t make yourself look so ignorant.

      • Gina Hampton Dukes

        Are you saying that heathens are the only ones educated enough to spell in America? Did you know that America was founded by Quakers and Pagans? Those escaping to America were doing so to get away from the Church of England and the pressure to believe only what those Fundamentalists were teaching.

      • Stephen Barlow

        And Catholics and Debtors.

      • Jim Valley

        Improbably, you have misspelled “misspell”. You don’t realize it, but being unable to write properly makes you seem uneducated.

      • Kathy Levittown

        Youre actually sad and funny..You came on here to hate..not to discuss..

      • Stephen Barlow

        SAD.

      • dutch163

        misspell ..one word

      • Stacy Turner

        “Miss spell”

        My fucking heathen sides are killing me.

      • Kathy Levittown

        RHETORICAL

      • ASH: Spider-Atheist

        If the problem is with the fundamentalists, then there must be a problem with the religion’s fundamentals.

      • Steven McCaw

        The “Fundamentalist” monicker is their term, not ours. The real ‘fundamentals’ of Christianity are, as the article states, living according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of giving to the poor, of loving one another. *Those* are the fundamentals.

        Fundamentalism is a recent phenomenon, it only came about at the turn of the 20th century as most of the Christian doctrines started adopting the scientific discoveries of the age. ‘Fundamentalism’ was built entirely on a rejection of science, not on grasping of any spiritual truths. That was what *they* described as fundamentalism.

        Remember: Atheists fought *hard* against the discovery of the Big Bang because it didn’t gel with their own preconceived notions. They thought that since it suggested the divine, that it could not be.

        Atheists can be just as stupid and ignorant as fundamentalists. I would ask you to consider your own online name: if a Christian put “Christian” in their name, my first thought on them would be: “I don’t even want to talk to you.”

        What does that say about you?

      • Corey

        Puritains werent fundamentalists?

      • Humma Kavula

        No, but fundamentalists (and conservative evangelicals) have adopted much of the Puritanist theology. It’s only a matter of time before they call for dragging Stevie Nicks out into the public square and call for her burning at the stake for being a witch, or something to that effect.

      • Skyhollower

        Yes, but what sucks for the fundamentalists and the evangelicals, under our Constitution, she has the right to practice HER religion even if it is Witchcraft.

      • Kathy Levittown

        What a crock…

      • Betty J Rousey

        No, fundamentalists act as if they have the authority to speak on behalf of the Bible, religion (of any kind) and probably the most important ingredient of all, hates all people unlike them. In fact, there is usually an element of hatred towards everything science as well, and the belief they should control — everything —

      • Stephen Barlow

        As I said, “Fundamental patients

      • Betty J Rousey

        I was replying to Steven McCaw. You are not him.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Oh. My bad.

      • Humma Kavula

        Fundamentalists think their faith gives them carte blanche to stand in judgment of everyone not exclusively them. I dealt with one such clueless wonder on the now-defunct AOL Message Boards 15 years ago who told me “Christ said we are to judge.” When challenged to show me where in the Bible that passage was, he would disappear like a ghost in the night, or vanish like a fart in a gale-force wind, if you prefer. I asked him how he figured his fundamentalist faith was some sort of Divine Delegation-of-Authority to stand in judgment of his fellow man. Because he either refused to answer or dodged my questions, I became his worst nightmare, following him around like a bad credit record everywhere he went. He got to the point where, if I showed up on the board he was waving the Bible on, he’d move on to another one, only to repeat the cycle over and over again. Point is, some folks on the far Christian Right can tell you that the Bible (or Christ) says something that perfectly dovetails with their own belief structure, yet can’t handle being challenged or called on their boolsheet.

      • Stacy Turner

        “Atheists fought *hard* against the discovery of the Big Bang because it didn’t gel with their own preconceived notions. They thought that since it suggested the divine, that it could not be.”

        Pious Fraud, also known as “Lying for Jesus” is a sin.

        You should try not to do that.

      • chrisgogh

        Atheist. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      • Stephen Barlow

        TRUE!!

      • Kathy Levittown

        No..Christian fundamentalists do that…
        In our government..

      • Stephen Barlow

        Christian Fundamental patients? Like in the Tea Party?

      • Humma Kavula

        The Dominionists do. They seek to supplant our Republic with a theocracy based on the Old Testament. Rather than abolish the death penalty, they’d expand the list of Capital Crimes to include such things as being a member of the wrong denomination, being atheist, or Islamic, or Hindu, or Sikh. Or hiding your Van Halen and Metallica albums in your house, or being gay, or being critical of the Hypocrite they install as “President-for-Life.”

      • Fullerene

        Sorry, but you don’t get to play the “No true Scotsman” game. Fundamentalist Christians are Christians.

      • Betty J Rousey

        A rose by any other name… Except for a few words in common, Fundamentalist Christians and all other Christians bear almost no resemblance to one another. And Fundamentalist Christians desire to politicize and legislate their beliefs in a country whose Constitution forbids that.

      • ASH: Spider-Atheist

        Who else is trying to legislate their bronze age tribal religious laws in the US?

      • 1mule1

        The Islamic class. There are those seeking it here in the states.
        If you’re going to be an atheist, you want to start critiquing the other religions.

      • Corey

        Really, where?

      • Kathy Levittown

        WHERE? NO ISLAMISTS IN OUR COUNTRY ARE FORCING THEIR RELIGION INTO LAWS THROUGH CONGRESS…STOP WATCHING FOX “LIPGLOSS AND HIGH HEEL” CHANNEL

      • Julio

        Kathy your ignorance is mind-blowing.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I think it’s funny to see Billo the Klown and Sean Inpannyties wear lip gloss and heels.

      • Humma Kavula

        Guess the part where Billo sodomizes Hannity with a Loofah isn’t too far behind….

      • Anthony Tony A Farrar

        Dearborn Michigan

      • Kathy Levittown

        Good lord youre defensive over nothing

      • Stephen Barlow

        Show me a single bill in any STATE or FEDERAL Congress that does that?

      • LG LeBlanc

        Do you realize that a majority of ATHEIST were once religious people???…Im a Jew and i hate religion..IT SUCKS!!!!!

      • chrisgogh

        1mule1 is just an 1ass1. Sure, let’s go after all the Muslims, Jews, and various Pagans who have absolutely no religiously-based power in this country, and ignore all the Christian EXTREMISTS who actually do have the political clout to fuck us over, have fucked us over and over again, and continue to fuck us over. Yeah, sounds like a great plan.

        Listen here, 1ass1. If the Christian EXTREMISTS have their way and turn us into the theocracy they believe they want, this will only pave the way for Sharia law, which none of us wants.

        You really should try to learn a little something about history, because one of the reasons people fled Europe to come here was because they were being persecuted BY CHRISTIANS. Seriously, look it up and cure yourself of this ignorance you’re exhibiting.

      • Humma Kavula

        Nice try, Poindexter. Now Google “Dominionism” and crack open a tall-boy can of STFU.

      • Bill Freidline

        Evidence that Muslims in the US want Islamic law for anyone other than themselves? I sure can’t find much about it other than paranoid hyperbole.

      • Kathy Levittown

        She never said that…

      • Stephen Barlow

        NO!!! They are th only one’s who want it forced upon children in PUBLIC, TAX PAYER FUNDED SCHOOLS!

        They are the only one’s who claim America is a Christian State.

        They are the only one’s who can not admit that All western religions share the same set of principles, because they are all ripoffs of the same sun stroked delusion of Abraham.

        When the world can be shown that the ritualistic and historic DIFFERENCES are immaterial to faith and the will of GODALLAHYAHWEH…

        … and only the similarities need be worshipped and promoted.

        ONLY THEN will peace be possible between the faithful. Then we will be fit for battle against Putin and the real Infidels.

      • LG LeBlanc

        Go back and read it again stooge!!!

      • Fullerene

        She specifically said “religious people.” You said “christians [sic]” with a lower-case “c”. You are obviously a rhetorical bomb thrower — an Internet troll.

      • chrisgogh

        He said “religion,” not Christianity. In case you weren’t aware, Christianity isn’t the only religion in this world.

    • I-RIGHT-I

      Jim, who’s the 60’s rocker?

    • Kathy Levittown

      I grew up catholic..12 years of catholic education…I later learned 2 brothers were molested by priests..I have never really liked any priests..they were never nice to you..Im a Christian who thinks organized religion is a sham…Cheers Jim

    • pooka47401

      I agree, the far right wing of any religion is bend on trying to reform the rest of humanity into their mold. Thank goodness they are a very small percentage of the whole.

  • 1mule1

    Few people have met real christians.
    Democrats and Republicans are off the wall when it comes “religion.”
    You want to know what a Christian is! Receive Christ and start a relationship with Him.
    Man wants to govern God. They don’t want God to be sovereign over them.
    The term Christian is a cop out for the majority today. It is used as a license to be “holier than thou” and seek control.
    if one wants to know what a Christian is, one must seek the face of God as He has showed us in Scripture, in prayer, and listening to the Holy Spirit.
    it is abiding in Jesus and He abiding in us.

    • I-RIGHT-I

      Few Christians would say they know another man’s heart. Apparently you don’t fear God or you wouldn’t suggest few people have met real Christians. That puts you in the judgment camp.

      • Betty J Rousey

        Actually, Christians do not have to FEAR God, I do not. I love him and the love I feel through fellowship. You speak with way too much self-given authority, i-right, You remind me of the False Pharisees Jesus spoke of.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Actually Betty I know you don’t fear God. I also know that you don’t know the meaning of the word in context. Poor little thing.

      • 1mule1

        Your sarcasm shows that you are self-righteous. This does show what kind of fruit you have.
        This can change you know. Have a true relationship with Christ and follow Him.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Of course you are right. The dual nature of the Christian is a tough nut to crack. Especially in a place like this at a time like this in a country like this. I do read. I have studied. I’ve darkened the door of a more than one seminary (library) in fact. Having done that I know you’re trying. What I don’t know is if you are sincere or just another mouthy country club Christian liberal.

      • 1mule1

        I’m sincere about this 1-RIGHT-1.
        The church today in the U.S. has turned into a country club. It’s not just liberals either. Most are looking for a feel good religion instead seeking to have a relationship with Christ.

      • karensc

        You know what the problem with the “Christian” right is in this country? They use the term “Christian” as a political term, not a religious term. We are supposed to emulate Christ, live our lives like him, not just claim a relationship with him. Works are as important as faith. Faith without works is empty, and won’t get you into heaven.

      • Humma Kavula

        There’s a difference between fearing God and becoming so anal retentive (in pertinence to the subject of God) that every time one breaks wind, only dogs can hear it.

      • 1mule1

        No. It puts me in the camp of discernment.
        Scripture does say you will know them by their fruit.
        So, where does this leave you, since you just judged me as being in the judgement camp.
        Yes, i do fear God. You also must put fear in context. Do you not “study” the word or do you just take in what you hear by someone else?
        Let’s go one step further, do you read Scripture faithfully? Do read Scripture at all?

      • DavidD

        “Real Christians” don’t exist.The Church was supposed to be a hospital for sinners.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        They exist. It’s black and white if you ask me. You’ve got your saints over here and your aint’s over there. Good luck telling the difference most of the time. Hospital for sinners? That’s a new one.

      • DavidD

        No the concept that we are all sinners and can only be saved from a state of sin through Christ’s sacrifice is at the core of Christ’s teaching.
        I’m a Social Democrat and not a Christian so I tend to think and act on a materialist basis but there is a spirtual part of me that balances out with that materialism and that is not on a black or white basis.
        Your fear and your hatred drives your simplistic world view .

      • I-RIGHT-I

        That’s quite a mouthful for somebody that doesn’t know much about me or anything else. Good luck with your community organizing.

    • Betty J Rousey

      I have come to believe that there are Christians — those whose actions say more than their words — and then there are Fundamentalists – those more interested in pushing their own customs and beliefs upon everyone else. The Fundamentalists in America are very much like the Fundamentalists found in the Middle East. Same agenda of control, just different religions.

      • 1mule1

        So true Betty.

  • Israel Hernandez

    Though, I agree with the premise of Christianity, being hijacked by the ideological right. I must say that, this post, is to simplistic. For a fervant Conservative Christian, all of those arguments, make absolutely no sense. If we are to share and explain, a fully biblical Christianity, we must understand it outside the realm of politics, and use it as a prism, through which we can see politics.

    • Mark Esche

      Israel Hernandez, Try this punctuation/spelling: Though I agree with the premise of Christianity being hijacked by the ideological right, I must say that this post is too simplistic. For a fervent Conservative Christian, all of those arguments make absolutely no sense. If we are to share and explain a fully biblical Christianity, we must understand it outside the realm of politics, and then use it as a prism, through which we can see politics.
      Now, doesn’t that flow more smoothly? And, doesn’t “Render unto Caesar” come in here someplace? ” Not to mention “judge not, lest ye be judged?”

  • CashBailey

    I watch my brother, not quite two years younger than me, rail against the idea of a God, it actually makes him angry. I still can’t get him to see that his problem is with “Christians” and not Christ. Probably what kept me away for so long.

  • Cynthia Grothe

    I have had these same thoughts more and more and it is refreshing to see someone actually put into writing what I know to be true. I grew up in a Christian family. I was taught morals and the believe in love your neighbor, and that good people help others whom cannot help themselves.My separation from this belief system was that I was horribly treated by those same people. But that does not mean that I lost those fundamentals. In fact I carry them with me everyday. It is not a religion or belief system or lack of that makes a person who they are. It is how they interact within the community that tells the tale.

  • William Akers

    I have a cousin who is a Deacon in the SBC & on SSI. He says Obama is a Socialist & don’t mind posting or repeating any False Accusation against the President..They are run of the mill hypocrites, the kind Jesus would openly condemn..

  • Corey

    Religions think they have a luxury of not owning their more extreme country parts. They are both disrespectful and pompass to think they can do this. REAL Christianity became so wide spread through violence and bloodshed, NOT the Sermon On The Mount. Saying; “Ohh the KKK, Hitler, and the ‘God Hate’s Fags’ people aren’t real Christians” allows today’s more liberal and moderate Christians to say stupid things like, “Christianity is the religion of peace not Islam” or whatever religion they are trying to demonize at the time.

    Truth is, these groups are real Christians, as were the Puritans who lynched Quakers; Founding Fathers that owned slaves, the anti-gay Christians who want to stone gays to death legally all over Africa, Christopher Columbus who had natives raped, tortured and murdered, etc.

    It’s time more Christians step up to the plate to fight those who follow other sects and denominations of their religion, now is not the time to be dishonest and shun them!

  • SCWood

    None of the below quoted history seems very Christian – there is no argument that other religions can be brutal – but too many people put Christianity above other religions in righteousness – and it is not. One of the splits in Christianity was in regards to the selling of forgiveness – if a person died in battle all their sins would be forgiven and they would be bathed in the glory of God in Heaven (no 42 virgins though) OR – if you didn’t want to go off for years killing, raping, robbing, ravaging people – you could just buy your way into Heaven.

    November of 1420 – Christian Crusades against each other:
    ” Clasping their hands together they (Catholics of Prachatice)) begged him (Czech Jan Zizka who had locked 75 men in the vestry) in the name of God to forgive them and give them a chance to do penance for their sins. They promised to to follow the Hussites (a split away sect who dismissed the power of popes and cardinals who were corrupt) and promised to do whatever the captors wished, but this was of no avail. The Taborites (an extremist group within the Hussites) behaved as though they were deaf. They rolled up barrels of pitch, covered them with straw and threw them on the heads of the men locked in the vestry. All of them were suffocated by the flames and the smoke. After this they were covered with stones in the cellar of the vestry as though in a grave and there they were weft to rot. Two hundred and thirty corpses lay in the streets (having earlier been killed by the Tabortites with their flails, “slaughtering them all like calves in the streets.” Only women and children were spared.) The Taborites (Christian sect) buried some of the corpses, threw others into the well, and expelled the women and children.”

    In places where Catholics held power similar atrocities were reported: After one of the Catholic armies captured the town of Chotebor, and after promising safe conduct to the Taborites of the town, the Catholics killed three hundred on the spot and threw the rest either down mine shafts or burned them en masse.

    A month later, when the Taborites recaptured the town from the Catholics “the villainous Taborite women committed a horrible crime. They took women and young girls out of the town, all of them crying, with the promise of releasing them and allowing them to depart unharmed. However, when they got out of the town they stripped them, took their money and jewellery and locked them into a shed in the vineyard where the grapes are pressed and burned them, not even sparing the pregnant women.” Vavrinec (Lawrence) of Brezova, formally the Prague Town Secretary, describing the Crusaders

    • Jeff

      Typical Catholic-bashing from an ignoramus who knows nothing of Catholics, the Catholic Church, Catholic history, OR Catholic beliefs.

      • SCWood

        LOL – actually – religion/history/politics is something I enjoy reading – and the person I quoted was part of the Crusades: Vavrinec (Lawrence) of Brezova, formally the Prague Town Secretary, describing the Crusaders, so his records were likely to have truth in them; he seemed to favour no faction – and was simply recording what he saw. There was no ‘bashing’ of Catholics – he was simply stating that everyone was brutal and these were Christians fighting against Christians – all of which were sects of Catholicism. During Henry VIII’s era Protestants and Catholics fought each other. Brutality was not only done in the name of religion by Muslims. If you are interested in Catholic/Christian/Protestant religious history there are many resources available. May you find peace in your heart, in your thoughts, and in your life.

  • Eruanion Nolaquen

    The thing I find funny about the whole homosexuality debate is that, statistically, the men who sexually abuse other males are supposedly heterosexual. They publicly denounce Homosexuality, while secretly practicing it.

  • Tiffany Milner

    I love the point when you Said “Besides, why would God really care?” That is the number one problem with most people who believe in God. Twisting things to fit to their life, to make them feel OK about what they say and do. Same with this article, you have just tried to justify all your beliefs by saying in your head “God doesn’t realllyy care “. Ive tried to do the same thing as well. So many of us have it wrong…but good job at trying to convince me of your interpretation of what you think is or is not sin…I know better..

    • Naomi

      Of course you know better, you’re “christian,” I take it? So obviously you have all the answers to everything? To be clear, nowhere in the Bible does Jesus ever, even once, say that homosexuality is a sin. Not one time.

      • Jerry DeKraker

        The Bible doesn’t speak of homosexuality very often; but when it does, it condemns it as sin. Let’s take a look.
        Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1
        Lev. 20:13,
        “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a
        woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely
        be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”…. Please try to get educated ….

      • SCWood

        How about if one lies with a male as one lies with a male?

      • Todd Shilling

        Rape. In that time, it was permitted for a man to “take” his wife. You have remember, these things did not happen in present day. You have to take into context of customs and what was acceptable in those times. You cannot apply our existing cultural norms which is exactly what you are doing. Men were equal to men. Women were property of men. The only equality that existed was man to man. You could not rape another man, an equal. Culturally wrong in those times.

      • Mark Esche

        Leviticus was around before Jesus, right? That was back in the “smiting” period of the Jewish god. So, Jesus probably never quoted Leviticus . . .

      • Jerry DeKraker

        Maybe so but the sin is still there….right?

      • Mark Esche

        If it is a sin, then why are there so many that are inclined to it? Did your god stack the deck against people to keep down the crowding in heaven? When did you make the decision to be “straight”? What sort of thought process did you go through? And why is it so important for you to figure out what other peoples sins are?

      • Jerry DeKraker

        I believe the conversation started out as a statement alluding to the fact that Jesus never said homosexuality was a sin……try and follow along…..also I can tell by your obvious lack of knowledge concerning any subject matter pertaining to percentages of the populous or Biblical protocol I see no reason to continue with this lethargic, mind numbing conversation…….

      • Mark Esche

        You know, Jerry DeKraker, when you try to act superior about your knowledge of a complex fairy tale, it would be more plausible if you spelled “populace” correctly.

      • PURSUEGOD1

        Uh, no. The very God (not Jewish) of the OT became the one that we know as Jesus, the Christ. He changes not, and He was the one that guided the pen of ALL the Bible writers.

        He also was the very One that wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger.

        So, yes, He did quote Leviticus.

      • Mark Esche

        So, why did Jesus call out to his father(god) while on the cross? Why did he say, “In my father’s house there are many mansions.”? Your interpretation implies that Jesus got subsumed back into his god, and doesn’t “sit on the right hand of the father.” So, no he didn’t quote Leviticus and he didn’t actually do the writing. unless, you are right, and Jesus was just a temporary construct and no longer exists.

      • PURSUEGOD1

        If you have serious interest in reviewing
        the scriptures that support this truth, then I’d be pleased to provide them.

      • Mark Esche

        As you have acted politely, Yes, please send me your citations. I will research them. Thank you.

      • PURSUEGOD1

        Hebrews
        1:1-3, John 1:1-5 & 1 Corinthians 10:1-5

      • Aaron

        Are you f*ckin’ serious with this? You really believe that “the god of the OT became the one we know as Jesus Christ?” I’m an ex-Christian, now atheist, but you seem ridiculous to even me. When did you arrive on this planet and what “Welcome Book” did your alien tour guide give you? In the story, everyone under the sun who believes in Jesus acknowledges him as the SON of god. That’s Christianity 101. When Jesus died on the cross, he wasn’t resurrected as god; God (his “father”) was who he was calling out for on the cross. You’re clearly a 13 year old brainwashed fundamentalist who knows NOTHING of the bible yet. I wouldn’t pick it up if I were you; it’s all crap.

      • PURSUEGOD1

        First, thank you for your “flowery” response. You say that you were once a Christian. What made you change your views?

        Yes, it is not ONLY what I believe, it is what the Bible
        teaches.

        You say, “I wouldn’t pick it up if I
        were you; it’s all crap.” So, it would
        really do little good for me to provide you with the scriptures that support
        this claim, since you obviously have no interest in learning the truth of
        God.

      • Naomi

        Those two quotes are completely taken out of context. In the same book, God says not to eat pork or shellfish or sleep with a woman on her period. Why doesn’t the religious right condemn pulled pork, shrimp n grits, and riding redwing? Because they enjoy those activities. This is the only place in the Bible where it is mentioned. I studied theology. I am educated.

      • Jerry DeKraker

        Studying and understanding are a long way apart ..

      • Naomi

        It would be a lot easier to participate in discussions if your reply option actually went to the comment it’s about.

      • Naomi

        Understand what, exactly? I am very educated in matters of religion, theology, the bible, and ancient and contemporary philosophies. What do you refer to? Everyone’s idea of understanding is different. There is no absolute truth that fits all people. One of my biggest problems with fundamental christianity is that it claims to be one – and judges those who don’t conform or fit.

      • Betty J Rousey

        Didn’t Jesus take back about half of Leviticus? It has been said.. eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth… but I say no…etc. So why would you bother with the little phrases while possibly missing the big message?

      • PURSUEGOD1

        To be clear, you are correct, Jesus, NOT ONCE ever said that homosexuality is a sin. He spoke against it NUMEROUS times.

        The very God of the OT became the One that we know as Jesus, the Christ. He changes not, and He was the one that guided the pen of ALL the Bible writers.

        He also was the very One that wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger.

      • Naomi

        Moses wrote the ten commandments. Also, Jesus did not speak against homosexuality multiple times. Please find me a quote in the new testament that supports this claim. Also, God did NOT “become” Jesus. Jesus is the son of god, they are separate entities.

      • PURSUEGOD1

        You say, “Moses wrote the ten
        commandments.” Moses passed the tablets
        of stone on to the Children of Israel, but it’s my reading of the Holy
        Scriptures that God Himself (the One who became Jesus Christ in the flesh)
        wrote the 10 Commandments with His own finger.

        Exodus 31:18 King James Version (KJV)

        18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing
        with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written
        with the finger of God.

        Deuteronomy 9:10King James Version (KJV)

        10 And the Lord
        delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God;
        and on them was written according to all the words, which the Lord spake with you in the mount out of
        the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

        “Jesus did not speak against
        homosexuality multiple times. Please find me a quote in the new testament that
        supports this claim.” Why would anyone
        have to limit the examples to the NT, when throughout the Bible God speaks
        adamantly against that behavior?

        “God did NOT ‘become’ Jesus. Jesus is
        the son of god, they are separate entities.”
        Yes, of course, they are two separate entities. However, The Word is the One that created the
        universe via His Father’s direction. So,
        because this is true, there would be no defense for engaging in the homosexual
        lifestyle. God wants only the best for
        His children, and His instructions throughout the scriptures are for our own
        benefit.

        If you have serious interest in
        reviewing the scriptures that support this truth, then I’d be pleased to
        provide them.

      • Naomi

        I have reviewed the scriptures plenty in my life. You say “it’s my reading…,” proving that everything in religion is a gray area. Nothing is absolute, it is all subjective. We read the scriptures very differently, indeed.

      • Cynthia Grothe

        actually, Moses did not write the ten commandments at all. The God of the Old Testament appeared to Moses and told him to gather his people to be freed from the yoke of slavery and lead them to the promised land. He also instructed that Moses climb to the top of Mount Sinai, God burned the commandments in to the stone and then shorn them from the mountain top for Moses to take to his people. when Moses return to his people, he found that while he was gone, the people created a false golden Idol and was worshiping that idol as well as performing many unspeakable acts as a form of worship.
        Now, just so we have the correct context, I am no longer affiliated with the church I was baptized into . However, I did at on time teach Sunday School and I know many passages such as this. The purpose of the tale is to let the followers of God know what was expected of them, and those who would not follow these commandments were to wander in the desert forever, denied of the promised land. Unfortunately for Moses, due to his own Hubris, was also doomed to wander the desert. If you are going to try and justify anything that is in your bible that has, in some way or not, any validity as an argument for your cause, please make sure you know what the lesson actually is as well as what the Bible actually said.

      • Naomi

        Moses physically wrote them honey. I live in the real world. Spirits don’t generally have opposable thumbs with which to write.

      • Cynthia Grothe

        I do as well. But you need to understand, that when these words were in fact written, The people of that time were very superstitious of anything that seemed supernatural. This in turn created a lot of the Fear of God that we hear about today. So, with that in mind, we can see why in the Bible, it states that God did the writing with the intent that Moses would deliver the Word of God.

      • Naomi

        I dont believe in fairy tails.

      • Cynthia Grothe

        That is “tales” not tails. One is the fables told to children, the other is usually connected to the ass end of most animals. By acting so fucking superior to those who have a different world view than yours, you are proving to be more along the lines of the latter, rather than the former. Additionally, I did not say I believed in the Bible. I was, of course, making a translation of the story and putting it into anthropological context. Frankly, I am more of a “believe what you want to believe (or don’t)” type of person, but at least try to see the point of view of the author and those commenting before opening your mouth (or fingers as the case actually is). In order to argue a subject effectively, you need to know both sides of the issue with more than a rudimentary understanding before expressing you point of view. Otherwise, you are no better than those who try to force religion or religious ideals down the throats of everyone they encounter.

      • Naomi

        I don’t think I am superior, but I DO have an extensive education in religion and philosophy I know the story of how the Ten Commandments were written. I was raised incredibly religious, and am coming at this with a lot of knowledge of both sides. I have read the Bible, been instructed on it from different camps, studied religions on my own, taken theology, studied atheism. It is a huge part of what defines my life, in fact. My entire point in saying God didn’t write the ten commandments was to show, however lightly, that the arbitrary belief in something simply because it is written in the Bible, without questioning, without thinking about the context of the time, without wondering what really happened – simply saying “god wrote the ten commandments because the Bible say so,” is incredibly dangerous and ignorant.

  • Robert C Deming

    The best example I have for living the Christian life is from some guys I know in prison. In theory we go to the prison to minister to the inmates. In reality? They spend their time helping to make the kingdom of heaven present for all.

  • Robert Lentink

    I always laugh when I see some Christians pointing to other Christians that they are not Christians. Especially when those doing that are like the writer of this article. As if Jesus was this love everybody be nice hippy. Cracks me up big time. They forget that before Jesus the concept of hell did not exists, at least in old testament days you could just die. This Jesus who tells us that only through him you can go to heaven, or else you will burn for all eternity. nice morals there mr. Christ. What a meek and mild guy. LOL. Jesus proclaimed not to bring peace, but a sword, to separate families, friends. The writer of this article either chooses to disregard those parts of her lord and savior and as suck cherry pick the bible in their own way or is just a confused humanist.

  • Jeremy

    You make some good points about some hypocrisies about the Christian right, but you get absolutely everything about authentic, Biblical Christianity wrong. For starters, it has nothing to do with “trying” to live like Jesus. You also might want avoid prefacing your entire one sentence summation of Christianity with “in my opinion.”

  • CrystalPlummer

    BRAVO!!!

  • Don Fass

    a comprehensive poll of American Christians, by conservative Christian pollster George Barna, using 20 or more benchmarks, concludes that at least 67 per cent of people who call themselves Christian in America don’t follow ANY basic of Jesus or Christianity. Other studies of American Christianity, especially right-wing Christians, indicate they are so ignorant of the Bible that they come up with such wonders as ‘Gomorrah was Sodom’s unfaithful wife.’ All these people are are close-minded, bigoted, hypocritical people in most cases with no morality. Still other Barna studies indicate they have even more incidents of divorce, infidelity, child abuse, pedophilia, alcoholism, drug addiction, dishonest or illegal business practices, etc etc than agnostics or athiests.

    • chrisgogh

      The only thing that surprises me about any of this is that the poll was conducted by a conservative, and this conservative actually released these results. Kudos to him for stating the truth.

  • Madeline Bishop

    I know some really loving, moral Christians, but I still want to follow my own religious path, not theirs. I really resist anyone telling me I should examine their chosen religion and consider following it. It is such a personal thing.

  • scottinnj

    Your political Jesus is as bad as the political Jesus the Moral Majority worshipped in the 80s.
    Take your WWJD fascism, go cram it up your @ss, and go thump your Bible somewhere else.

  • Ronald Hurtado

    Agree 100%! They can start by reading the entire bible which includes the Old Testament. What society did Jesus grow up in, it’s influance and their beliefs. Seek info about the lost 30 years and His travels. Maybe learn to see the world as if they were looking through the eyes of Jesus for a daily exercise wouldn’t hurt. Learn the true meaning of the Lords Prayer and try compromise for a change.

  • Harry Barr

    This discussion(?) is amazing!! The men who wrote the New testament did NOT know Jesus personally. Constantine converted to Christianity for political reasons!! Jesus is NOT a Christian h is a Jew. If one is to understand what Jesus taught one must understand what he REALLY MEANT by his teachings. In John he said we are all Gods, as does one of the Psalms. No one is any better than anyone else. My parents taught us that!!! Gandhi said “I like your Christ. I don’t like christianity.”

  • MBAchin

    “…Christianity seems to come down to [sic] in my opinion [sic] is who you are as a person and how closely you try to live your life according to the beliefs of Jesus Christ.” Balderdash. Pure sophistry. Christianity is not how well you lived. It’s not the beliefs of Jesus Christ. Christianity is not as it is defined by a man. It is a system of beliefs defined by the Creator of the Universe. The God of the universe didn’t tell us His beliefs. He told us His truths. Eternal, unassailable, axioms from our creator. “Fear of the Lord is the foundation of wisdom. Knowledge of the Holy One results in good judgement.”

  • Jeff

    Who can even count the number of blunders in this rag piece about what Conservatives really believe? It’s crystal clear the author has never even spoken to a Conservative to ask him or her that question in order to write anything remotely factual. But I guess facts aren’t important in places like these, are they?

  • Mark Denman

    There
    is a significant difference between personal charity and government
    assistance. In fact, it could be argued that abdicating one’s charitable
    good to another (the government) makes it less morally correct. The
    same with requiring others to contribute in your stead through forced
    taxation for government programs.

  • PURSUEGOD1

    Speaks the truth? Hmmm.

    Unfortunately, this poor, misguided soul is completely ignorant of Bible teachings.

    “Guns? I’m not quite sure how guns would fit into the Christianity narrative. In fact, I’m pretty certain Jesus Christ would oppose both violence and guns.” I’m guessing that Mr. Allen Clifton is not aware that the God of the Old Testament (the Being that became Jesus Christ) ordered the killing of millions/billions of people due to their wickedness.

    Meme: “Heal the sick & feed the hungry–the opposite of what Republicans do.” So the exorbitant taxation that helped to create the innumerable social programs is not sufficient to satisfy Mr. Clifton?

    “Being anti-abortion? Okay, let’s just give them that. Let’s say life begins at conception and abortion is morally wrong. That’s a simple fix – they don’t have to have an abortion.” Wow, he replicates the same words used by Satan himself, the father of lies. “Have you ever noticed that those that are for abortion are already alive?~~Ronald Reagan

    “Besides, why would God really care? With all the horrors going on in the world, who cares who someone else loves? How about we focus on real problems like poverty, homelessness and child abuse rather than waste time worrying about who someone else wants to marry? Deal?” God REALLY cares, because He created the universe and He establishes ALL laws for humanity. It is our choice whether to adhere to them.

    “Can you really boast about generosity that you’re guilted into giving?” Guilted into giving? It’s called obedience to God’s word, Mr. Clifton, and there is no guilt at all associated with it.

    “…when the political party you support vilifies those living in poverty as lazy moochers just wanting a handout.” Once again, Mr. Clifton is revealing his Biblical ignorance. I feel certain that he is unfamiliar with the scripture that states “if you don’t work, then you shouldn’t eat.”

    “They believe that greed is what should drive our economy and social safety nets meant to help the poor are unconstitutional.” We ALL pay taxes that support various social programs.

    Far from speaking the truth, Mr. Clifton’s comments are simply bizarre. It helps me to understand what God means when He said that “even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient…” I’ll pray for him.

  • Corey

    Religions think they have a luxury of not owning their more extreme country parts. They are both disrespectful and pompass to think they can do this. REAL Christianity became so wide spread through violence and bloodshed, NOT the Sermon On The Mount. Saying; “Ohh the KKK, Hitler, and the ‘God Hate’s Fags’ people aren’t real Christians” allows today’s more liberal and moderate Christians to say stupid things like, “Christianity is the religion of peace not Islam” or whatever religion they are trying to demonize at the time.

    Truth is, these groups are real Christians, as were the Puritans who lynched Quakers; Founding Fathers that owned slaves, the anti-gay Christians who want to stone gays to death legally all over Africa, Christopher Columbus who had natives raped, tortured and murdered, etc.

    It’s time more Christians step up to the plate to fight those who follow other sects and denominations of their religion, now is not the time to be dishonest and shun them!

  • Corey

    I see my comment keeps disappearing or I am missing it some how. If I am being moderated for some reason, and am not welcome here, please inform me, so I will leave and unsubscribe.

  • Jerry DeKraker

    That
    was, and quite possibly is, the most unbelievably insightful discourse I
    have ever had the pleasure of reading. You, along with the other
    scholars that commented on this truly outstanding dialog must all be
    members of Mensa or some other gifted brother/
    sisterhood type of organization , from what I can tell by your obvious
    insightful knowledge and iron fist like grasp of the subject at large,
    you and all the others are all quite possibly geniuses …

  • I-RIGHT-I

    “I’ve just grown absolutely sick and tired of people associating Christianity with whatever it is these conservatives seem to worship. ”

    The teaching of Jesus Christ is commonly associated with Christianity for some odd reason. What I’m sick of (actually not I find it endlessly fascinating) are non Christians that assume the mantle of the shepherd as this gentleman has done.

    Al, since you’re in the neighborhood why don’t you set up an interview with some of the DTS students and staff? That would be a real coup for your blog. I could help you with some really good leading questions once you decide the direction you’d like to go and outcome you’d like to achieve.

  • Corey

    Religions think they have a luxury of not owning their more extreme country parts. They are both disrespectful and pompass to think they can do this. REAL Christianity became so wide spread through violence and bloodshed, NOT the Sermon On The Mount. Saying; “Ohh the KKK, Hitler, and the ‘God Hate’s Fags’ people aren’t real Christians” allows today’s more liberal and moderate Christians to say stupid things like, “Christianity is the religion of peace not Islam” or whatever religion they are trying to demonize at the time.

    Truth is, these groups are real Christians, as were the Puritans who lynched Quakers; Founding Fathers that owned slaves, the anti-gay Christians who want to stone gays to death legally all over Africa, Christopher Columbus who had natives raped, tortured and murdered, etc.

    It’s time more Christians step up to the plate to fight those who follow other sects and denominations of their religion, now is not the time to be dishonest and shun them!

  • Corey

    knew it, being moderated, not being allowed to post my opinion, fuck u!!!!! good bye!!

  • OpenMinded

    Such good points in this article. My favorite is the point on abortion. “Being anti-abortion? Okay, let’s just give them that. Let’s say life begins at conception and abortion is morally wrong. That’s a simple fix – they don’t have to have an abortion.” This is almost exactly what I’ve said to many a Christian. If they think that their morals are so important as to set up a theocracy, where anything that their Bible lists as immoral is illegal, they need to go start their own crazy Christian nation. Because this one sure weren’t built on the idea that everyone needs to follow the Bible.

    And, after reading the comments to the article, no, I’m not saying Islamic law should rule in this country, nor do I think it ever will. Religion, all religions, should stay out of our government, as was intended. A religious man can take part of a secular government, without feeling the need to force his opinions and beliefs on those he governs. Shouldn’t the Christians in our government be less excited about forcing others to live the way they see fit, and more excited about leading by example, like Christ did in the Bible?

  • Jim Bean

    Its interesting how an individual can asses what Christianity is now, and has been for hundreds of years, and come to the conclusion that, based upon his assessment, those billions have had it wrong all along.

    • Gary Menten

      Funny, but many “Christians” feel they have the power to say exactly the same things about other religions.

  • Richard Weber

    My felling is that the religious right was hijacked by the Republicans because a group that can accept fairy tales as truth will believe anything, without question, as fed to them by a political party that “understands” them.

    • Gary Menten

      You have it backwards. The religious right existed long ago, but before Reagan brought them into the GOP, both parties mostly ignored them. Now the GOP can no longer win elections without them, so they basically dictate to the GOP.

  • Julio

    This writer absolutely doesn’t understand Christianity. Jesus died for the sins of the world. It is impossible to be Christ like. People go to church because they know they cannot save their own soul. No one is perfect. (although liberals seem to think they’re perfect and everyone else is flawed. LOL) Politics and Christianity are two totally different things. A lot of Christians lean right because liberal positions break the 10 commandments. Abortion, same sex marriage, taxing the rich which creates coveting, Bearing false witness against thy neighbor. Stealing from those who work hard. Climate change fear mongering. God is in control and we can trust in God. No need to worry about climate change yet we can still be good stewards of the earth on our own. Guns are needed to protect Americans because cops and police cannot be everywhere. One again liberal positions go against what the Bible teaches. For instance poor people can be helped much more efficiently through charities and donations instead of higher taxes. Conservatives are a whole lot smarter and tend not to think with emotions like liberal lefties do. Liberals are book smart but are totally stupid when it comes to common sense.

    • Gary Menten

      Your statements are the purest of fantasy, unsupported by any factual evidence. As to common sense, you clearly haven’t any yourself.

      • Julio

        Oh really Gary?? Are you the self appointed all knowing liberal? LOL Just an fyi Your statement is of the purest of fantasy, unsupported by any factual evidence. As for common sense, you clearly don’t have any. Having said that, I like people like you Gary.

      • Gary Menten

        Q. Are you the self appointed all knowing liberal?
        A. No, I’m a photographer.
        Rather than putting labels on people or assuming someone is a liberal or conservative, two terms that I doubt you have any understanding of, you would do well to inform yourself more as to the historical and scientific inaccuracies of your statements. If you claim God is in charge of climate change, you might start by demonstrate by scientific process that God actually exists demonstrate (again through carefully measured scientific data) not only that he or she IS controlling the climate and how exactly this is happening, and why this is a better explanation that climate change is more the result of massive quantities of CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere.

        There is no evidence incidentally, that God gave us anything. The fossil fuels we are burning up at unprecedented rates took millions, even hundreds of millions of years to from completely natural processes. Once they are gone, they are gone. It’s that simple.

        There is nothing in the bible incidentally, that says “Do not tax the rich.” If there is, please point out where. But remember Christ….render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.” I’m pretty sure that IS in the Bible.

        Also, please explain why if American needs guns to protect itself, why most countries in the western, developed world, have much stricter gun laws and a much lower per capita homicide rate than the US? Does God love unarmed liberal atheists more than he does God-fearing, gun-toting Americans? It would certainly seem he does.

        I’m sure I could go on, but this should keep you busy for now.

  • Julio

    God blessed this country with natural resources. Conservatives want to tap into it. Liberals won’t let us do that because they’re worried about climate change. The world is going to come to an end and be destroyed anyways. Let’s use the blessings God gave to North America.

    • Gary Menten

      God gave you nothing. It took hundred of millions of years for natural processes for things like coal and oil and natural gas to form. Once they are expended, they are gone forever.

  • [email protected]

    Jesus Christ told us to help the helpless, defend the defenseless… Protecting the most defenseless, the most innocent from abortion falls into this category, I believe. If a child’s mother is willing to pay a stranger to murder her child, that child is completely defenseless. When Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these,” I don’t think he meant it was okay to tear them out of their mother in pieces and flush the evidence of that horror down a drain. How do you reconcile your ‘its-none-of-my-business attitude toward abortion with your statement about defending the defenseless?

    As for protecting the poor and the needy, I’ll put my giving up against those who make a great deal more money than I. But there is a huge difference in helping the poor and enabling poor people to be helpless and lead wasted lives. Your greatest contribution would be teach them how to take care of themselves. That rarely comes from throwing money at them while they become unmotivated to do anything productive. I raised children whom I adore with the same attitude and I doubt anyone ever felt like it was done out of hypocrisy or greed.

    Don’t be quick to paint all Conservatives with one brush. As a Christian, I have no illusions about my sinful nature and I certainly don’t believe I’m better than anyone else. But unlike non-believers, I recognize my sinful behavior and I deal with it instead of making excuses for it.

  • Quelthias

    St Camillus de Lellis was a late blooming priest who convinced like-minded monks to move to a small dwelling in a poor section of Naples, Italy, an area the Church had written off as sinful and refused to go. Christianity is a beautiful thing. The problem is that it is populated with human beings with human flaws.

  • Ronald Hurtado

    Maybe because most so called religious people missed the boat on the spiritual aspect. Jesus did mention, the temple is from within.

  • Ronald Hurtado

    Also, we can safely assume the article may have been looking at those who omit the main message from the book of James, Faith Without Works is Dead.

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  • MikeAndersonWA

    While I agree with you that republicans that claim to be christians are way off, you really missed the point and it shows that you really don’t have much of a knowledge of what the bible teaches. You have as much of a personalized version of the bible as republicans do, just in the opposite direction.

    The bible states that homosexuality is wrong on a few different occasions. I’m not condoning that, but to be “Christian” is to be opposed to homosexuality.

    As for abortion, when they say that at conception the baby is a person, that means that having an abortion is murder, which technically it is, it’s just murder at a really really early stage. So to claim that it’s none of your business what another person does with their body, you’re saying also that if someone had delivered the child and wanted to kill it that would also be okay. Again, I’m pro-choice, but in the Christian outlook, abortion = murder, just like that.

    The thing about Christianity and helping the poor was fairly spot on though. Jesus was all about helping the needy, so anyone you see spitting on the poor deserves to be stripped of their “Christian” title. If all the people in congress who claimed to be christian really were we would have a much different country, and a much different world. Just like all the Islamic extremist groups have taken Islam way too far. If they were actually Islamic there would be peace in the middle east.

    People don’t use religion because they want peace, people use religion to justify their own personal whims. The fact that most of the wars in history were fought over religion is all the proof I need that nobody in power actually uses their religion for the intended purpose. They all teach peace and that killing is wrong, so they should all be very anti war.

  • Stephen Barlow

    If ‘god’ created everything, then he created homosexuals too. he put them here to TEST your Christian VIRTUES of love, tolerance and forgiveness. You would forgive Karla Faye Tucker , the drug addicted AXE MURDERER who ORGASMED when she did it, but not a guy who sucks cock? God is sure gonna put a check mark by YOUR name on St Peter’s list!!!

    The basic requirement of EVILjellyhead Christianisy is to accept jesus as you Lord and Savior, which EXCUSES all sins be Jesus FORGIVES YOU!!!

    Except of course, falling in love with a same sex friend.

    “In a time of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act!” Orwell

    The second tenet of Right wing Christianity if proselytizing and selling, forcing “The Good News” on everyone you can. Then condemning them to hell for NOT accepting a figment of their imagination as the ruler of MY LIFE and soul.

    CLaiming all other faiths as FALSE is the third Commandment of the New Right Christians.

    NOwhere does it say ANYTHING in the new Right Christian Creed about actually following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Did you know that it’s a sin to even THINK of Jesus as being a person of color, even though he was an Arabian Jew who was raised in Egypt.

  • LG LeBlanc

    Muslim extremists kill themselves for their god….WOULD A CHRISTIAN DO THE SAME THING FOR THEIR GOD??……….HELL NO!!

  • dutch163

    some of these “Christians” would not let Jesus in the door, think about it: a Mid-Eastern man, long hair, darker skin, does not speak English….

  • jwb1410

    I would suggest all who are interested in an adult Christianity that is not obsessed with human derived theologies and more interested in following the example of Jesus of Nazareth, then look into Progressive Christianity

  • Jim Ru

    How about you don’t read the Bible and just be a nice person? It would make the world a much better place.

  • I grew up in a southern fundamentalist church. We followed the dogma but it didn’t seem anyone took it too seriously. It has changed and become more fervent. Since Obama has been elected, people have been showing their true colors. The vile that has come from the right is based in racial prejudice. I know first hand.

  • George Bredestege

    Murder is not a subject of one’s own choice. The victim has rights, too. One is the right to life. A woman has no right to take a life.

    Religious people do have more self discipline than barbarians.

    As far as religious teachings, Jesus Christ said; Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s and render to God what is God’s. When you have to deal with the government you have to take off the gloves, as Jesus did in the Temple.

    The only values the Democratic Socialist Party holds dear is lining their own pockets with George Koros’s money and others’. Fortunately many Democrats just turned tail, or so the Christian ones did because they finally saw the light.

  • Stacy Turner

    The butthurt Christian conservative comments and their attempts at apologetics in the comments are internet gold. Please share with all your Republican friends for my further enjoyment.

    Damn, my sides.

  • dg22

    “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ~ Dalai Lama

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  • xbj

    christianism, (small “c”), a purely political movement of the perversion of True Christianity in order to achieve great power and wealth for powers’ sake, has been with us since founded by Constantine when he made “Christianity” the state religion of the Roman Empire. Analogous to Zionism vs. Judaism. christianism gave us the perversion of the Catholic Church, the Crusades, the Inquisition, alliance with Nazi Germany, indulgences, and most currently the heretical blasphemy of the doctrine that “Life begins at conception” which makes God out to be a sadistic hateful monster wasting humanity and souls on unborn he knows full well will never come to term at the free will He gave Woman. What you call “Repulicanity” is nothing more than age old militant right wing fascist christianism, often domestic terrorist. The aim is to bring about a perverse theocracy. In that way they are no different than Isis. The numbers of christianist “Holy War” killers are merely, at this point in time, far less.

    If allowed to continue, this will equalize and the entire world will come to Armageddon, which is the end game of all fundamentalist religious theocracies.

  • marymcreynolds

    Helping the helpless. The very definition of right to life. No fetus has the ability to protect itself.

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  • alexday

    I just read an article about how religious people are more tolerant of torture than non-religious people. I actually had an argument with a “Christian” conservative who argued that the Trinity means that when Yahweh told the Jews to destroy his enemies, Jesus commanded it too, therefore torture is OK. These people are delusional.

    • regressive white trash reli

      unless CHRISTIANS are being tortured,,,,,,,,,,
      then: WE NEED 2 INVADE IRAQ (again) TO CONQUER THE SATANIC ISIS/ISIL….

    • CT

      Anybody supporting torture is delusional, nevermind the genecide in the instance he’s probably using to justify his argument. Doesn’t say anything about real Christianity. Guy just jumps through hoops to justify his own stance.

  • ToriaBrook

    The author’s argument on abortion is inaccurate. He is mixing his views and beliefs with those of Pro-lifers. I firmly believe that everyone has the right to do whatever they please with their body and life as long as this does not negatively effect the rights of another. The government has no right to legislate our bodies. However, they do have the right to legislate what we do to harm each other. If you are conceding that life starts at conception, then it is no longer about the body and rights of the woman, it is about the body and rights of the fetus.

  • TheThinker

    I think this is spot on and this is what I thought for a long time. If you are Christian, why wouldn’t healthcare for all people be important to you? Why shouldn’t equality be important to you? Why shouldn’t helping the poor be important to you? Why shouldn’t having a clean environment be important to you? Would Jesus really have supported open carry laws? Most of the Republican Christians, who are a truly rare breed among the world’s Christians just go to church to get brownie points, not because they really are Christians.

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  • fifthdentist

    Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, arrogant and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.” Ezekiel 16:49

  • Greg Price

    “Being anti-abortion? Okay, let’s just give them that. Let’s say life begins at conception and abortion is morally wrong. That’s a simple fix – they don’t have to have an abortion. See, for me, abortion rights aren’t about being pro-abortion but being pro-it’s none of my business what a woman does with her own body. The “morality” of it lies within each individual.”

    It isn’t about what she does with “her own body”, it’s about what she does with her pre-born baby’s body. Namely murder it.

    Murder is not a matter of “personal morality”. Murder is a 10 Commandment condemned SIN. It also happens to be illegal in all 50 states plus under Federal law.

    “What else? Guns? I’m not quite sure how guns would fit into the Christianity narrative. In fact, I’m pretty certain Jesus Christ would oppose both violence and guns.”

    “Then said He unto them, ‘But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it and likewise his pack; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one’ ” Luke 22:36

    The Disciples travelled ARMED, as they were in the Garden at Gethsemone. The reason Jesus rebuked them for harming the Temple guard was NOT because He opposed all violence, but because the Betrayal HAD to take place in order for the plan of salvation to be fulfilled.

    “Opposition to homosexuality? When I see people who are homophobic, I don’t see “values” derived from faith – I see ignorance emulating from basic human nature. Because I’ve met plenty of “Christian” conservative men who oppose same-sex marriage, but would have no problem seeing two women kiss. But show them two men kissing, and that’s an entirely different story.”

    Nope. Lesbianism is no different than male homosexuality. It is condemned by God.

    “Besides, why would God really care? With all the horrors going on in the world, who cares who someone else loves?”

    Because He has a Rigteous Standard, which He is bound by His perfect nature to uphold. Sex is for: 1) procreation and 2) to unite man and wife to further their marriage with the desired consequence of them being able to raise the children thus conceived.

    God is very clear on the matter.

    I grant you that most modern Christians (esp in America) fall way down on the economic requirements of the faith, but you’re just making the same error that you (correctly) accuse the Right-wing Christians of doing: taking the part of the Bible you like and disregarding the part you don’t like.

    A true Christian condemns both the Capitalist AND the Libertine.

  • shuteme

    I call them hypo-‘Cunts, but I think I’m far too kind.