Ridiculous: Teen Girl Claims She Was “Shamed” by School After Being Sent Home for Violating Dress Code

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lindsey-stockerNormally I wouldn’t write about a story like the one I ran across concerning a 15-year-old female in Montreal, Quebec who was sent home from school for refusing to change out of her jean shorts that weren’t in compliance with the school’s dress code.

But the people defending this girl stunned me.

The old “short rule” for school is something I even dealt with when I was in school.  It’s something my sister, who’s a teacher, says is a part of her district’s dress code.  I’m willing to bet it’s something that goes back to the days when my parents were in school.

By “short rule” I mean when your shorts are not supposed to be any shorter than where your fingertips touch your legs when you’re standing up with your arms hanging at your sides.  I even remember a slightly different rule one year where shorts couldn’t be more than 2 inches above your knee.  Are these perfect rules?  Of course not.  But they’re essentially harmless ways to keep students from wearing inappropriately revealing clothing to school.

But what this 15-year-old in Montreal did was create a giant stir about “shaming women” and “teaching boys that women aren’t sex objects” all because she got sent home for violating the school’s dress code.  And wouldn’t you know it, a lot of people are standing behind her.

It’s ridiculous.

This isn’t about “shaming women.”  It’s about a 15-year-old girl who violated the school’s dress code and she simply didn’t want to follow the rules.  So what if they made her stand up in class to see if her shorts were long enough, then informed her that she needed to change?  Oh the horrors she must have experienced!  

On a bit of a side note, can we get over this notion that any form of public reprimand is “shaming”?  A parent spanks their kid in public and suddenly “they’re shaming and abusing their child!”  Oh be quiet.

Do some public reprimands need to be addressed?  Of course.  But this girl trying to act like she was singled out and targeted because she broke the dress code is a bit absurd.  She should have been well aware of what the dress code was, she knowingly violated it, and she paid the consequences for her actions.

To me, that’s a great lesson learned.

Instead, what this girl tried to do was make this about “fixing boys’ behavior” (of seeing women as sexual objects) instead of what it is really about and that is schools having an established dress code to maintain a slightly more “professional” level of attire to be worn by students.  Not only that, adhering to some kind of dress code teaches a small lesson that in the real world, you’re not allowed to wear whatever you want when you go to work.

This quote by this girl when she was asked about the dress code just about sums up her immaturity, “I was in violation for showing my legs.  And that, point blank, is a problem for me.”

Oh, no!  By all means, let’s change the rules because she has a problem with the dress code.

This is nothing more than a 15-year-old girl who violated the dress code, doesn’t think she needs to follow the rules and she’s trying to turn it into a “boys are the problem” argument, which is just silly.

But we also shouldn’t ignore that the basis for her “argument” is essentially that males shouldn’t be sexually attracted to females.  Or I guess we should also ignore that short shorts on women are actually derived from styles women wear to show off skin – often to attract men.

Or have we reached a level with the “PC police” where it’s wrong for males to even be sexually attracted to females anymore?

But again, this isn’t about boys and girls.  It’s about requiring students to adhere to a certain standard of dress code while at school.

My problem isn’t really with her, she’s 15.  It’s not exactly “breaking news” for a teenage girl to not want to follow rules.  It’s with the adults I’ve seen in the comment section of a couple of the articles I’ve read about this defending her.

The dress code isn’t unreasonable and it pertains to everybody.  She wasn’t at a club, the beach, her house or the mall – she was at school.  Are some school dress codes ridiculous?  Yes.  But I really don’t think it’s unreasonable to tell students that some shorts are too short.  Especially when the “short rule” seems fairly standard in most schools.

Adults condoning her immaturity are simply encouraging this growing trend where kids are learning that if they whine enough, they’ll get their way.

And that’s honestly what all of this breaks down to – immaturity.  It’s a teenage girl who doesn’t think she has to follow the rules that she thinks are unfair, and unfortunately she’s found quite a few adults who seem to want to encourage this type of petulant behavior.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.
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  • K-teacher

    I’ve read this article and also the one about the track team member who got booted from the team because he died his hair pink for breast cancer. I do have to say this article is hipicritical. You can’t say that you’re for school dress codes then go on to give exemptions no matter how great the matter is. With this case in particular, it is not the fact that she violated the dress code it’s more the case where they ridiculed her in front of other students. I went to catholic school where the rule was finger tip length and when someone violated the rule they were sent to the principle’s office and given the school gym pants. There are ways to do things especially with teenagers and ridiculing them in front of their peers is not something teachers should ever do.

    • robingee

      “Hypocritical”, K-teacher. Hypocritical.

    • Koreen Eads

      New rule..you aren’t allowed to point out hypocrisy if you can’t spell hypocritical… 🙂

      • robingee

        Maybe being “hipicritical” is criticizing someone for their hipness or lack of!

      • P_V_

        Your “new rule” is a complete ad hominem. Spelling a word wrong doesn’t invalidate your point.

      • robingee

        OK how about they can’t be a teacher if they can’t spell it?

    • Sue Roediger

      Being spoken to, or even called to the front to measure your shorts (by holding your arms to your sides…………is not shaming.
      The way to avoid it though is to just follow the dress code. I know when she put those shorts on – she knew they didn’t meet the requirements.

  • MidWestGal

    Seems as though she is seeking attention for herself. Surely she knew what would happen to her for violating the dress code. Instead of defending her, people should defend school rules. Let’s hope when she gets older, she doesn’t breed.

    • robingee

      “Let’s hope when she gets older, she doesn’t breed.”

      Oh, for fuck’s sake. Seriously?

      • sfwm.son

        if you can’t see the attention grabbing of this remark you are blind. It’s an OPINION.

      • robingee

        Your comment is even stupider than hers. “Attention-grabbing?” In what way? Attention for the poster? I’m blind? To what? And no it’s not an opinion it’s rank stupidity.

  • BackSeatJesus

    A female what?

  • Veritas vos Liberabit

    This impudent, recalcitrant behavior is taught at home by parents with little or no parental skills. Parents who believe the sun comes out just for their children and the results makes it clear they’re creating a lawless society.

  • Mr Mike

    Allen, I almost always agree with your opinions 100%, but in this case I believe you are wrong. Yes, the dress code exists, but is it applied to the boys as well? The problem with rules and dress codes like this is that there are different rules for boys and girls, and they almost always target the girls. When I was in school, our principal declared that males could not wear their hair in cornrows, because it was a “female hair style.” I had long, more than shoulder length hair at the time, and pointed out that my hair was essentially a “female hair style”, and the rule against cornrows for males was therefore racist. Dress codes that address the fashions of girls at length but barely address the fashions of boys are sexist just as that cornrow rule was racist.

    • The dress code regards everyone who passes through the doors of the school. It seems that may a bit much for you to wrap your “brain” around, but that would mean employees and students.

      EVERYONE.

      • Rochelle Lynn Dunlap

        And you completely missed the point of Mr. Mike’s comment…read a school dress code sometime and see how many more rules are on the female side vs. the male side. How can we teach our young women that they are just as equal as young men if we hold them to different standards? Did you read the article about the school that “fixed” what they decided were inappropriate styles of dress in the girls’ yearbook photos, raising necklines and making sleeves longer, yet left the boys pictures untouched? All Mr. Mike is saying is that have your dress code, but enforce it equally.

      • sfwm.son

        bikini type tops aren’t being worn by boys. Boys aren’t allowed to attend class without shirts nor are they allowed to have shorts so short their junk hangs out.

      • Thanks man. I considered all of it, obviously, but this is a forum and people like Rochelle are here only to troll. They did not come to express an opinion, but to trash others.

      • Mr Mike

        I am certainly not here to troll. There is an undeniable double standard here, and you and those defending you are only showing that strong that double standard is. Sfwm comments that boys are not wearing bikini tops or letting their junk hang out, and neither are these girls. I haven’t trashed anyone, I have only stated what I see to be the truth. If you disagree, fine. I challenge you to back up your opinion with just one example of a male being reprimanded by a school for “showing too much skin”. I’ll take your lack of providing such an example as proof I am right.

      • I think you should re-read my response. I was defending YOU.

      • Shawn Patrick

        You’re the one asserting something, so how about YOU provide stats showing that girls are more often asked to go home because of clothing? Even if it’s true, there are cultural and clothing reasons why it might be true. Boys aren’t wearing skirts and short shorts for boys are non-existent since the 80s. Some schools have hair length rules that ONLY apply to boys. Girls can wear hair as long as they want and boys have to keep it at collar length. Isn’t THAT a double standard?

      • P_V_

        So it’s a huge problem for Rochelle to suggest (fairly politely) that you missed the point of Mr Mike’s comment (which you did), but when you suggest that your points are “a bit much for [others] to wrap your ‘brain’ around” and respond with oh-so-original and lines like “no shit Sherlock,” that’s fine and dandy? You’re the only one trashing others here.

      • If that makes you feel good, it’s fine with me. I stand by what I posted.

      • “More on the female side that the male side.” No shit Sherlock. Men pursue women much more often than the obverse. You can not tell a drooling 15 year old boy, “Don’t think of tits” and expect that to happen. I find it sad that this has to be done at all, but it does.

        I got Mr. Mike’s implication fully. Try a bit of “reading comprehension.” It may do you some good.

        Thanks for looking.

      • Adam Rosenfield

        there you go denigrating males. This is the problem. to paraphrase: Men are just that way so women have to learn to live with it. Men can respect another person’s body, personal space, and take care of their own shit despite any amount of dress there is on someone they find attractive. To say men can’t control their focus (or even teenagers for that matter) is selling them short, and it is selling out to rape culture.

      • Yes, most men I know, of which I am, are just idiots. I’m 60 years old and have a high respect for women, which is why I married one. Because of my age, 90% of the males I pal around with and associate with, do not have girlfriends. They are married. Many of them talk well of women. Many of the friends I have whom are much younger, talk of their girlfriends and wives in terms I wouldn’t be caught dead repeating. Women are obviously objects to be graded on various levels for them. I never have been that way. I was taught to respect all people from the first day.

        Yes, I see men as idiots in most cases. I see women as much smarter, much more compassionate and caring than many men I know.

        That’s the way I see it.

      • Adam Rosenfield

        why does being a 60yr old married man have anything to do with this? saying men (or teens) cannot help themselves or women are the only ones qualified to address rape culture (I hope that’s not what you were getting at when saying that women are much smarter, more compassionate and caring than the men you know), or that dress codes address anything more than a symptom of the problem.

        I respect your experience as your own, but that does not change that it is possible to be sexist by saying that women are better than men too. if I haven’t gotten the proper point of your reply, please clarify because it seems like it was simply anecodotally communicating your views and limiting them to yourself

      • “limiting them to yourself”
        Pretty much. I speak for myself. I do not practice rape mentality in any form at all. I despise violence in all forms, physical and mental. I was bullied like no one’s business as a kid from 8 to 16.

        My age reference was to express how easy it is to see how men act when not subject to the limit of experience at any age below mine. I have seen a lot in my life. My father beat all six, yes, six of the wives he has had. I pledged to myself when I was younger and he was on his fourth marriage that I would never be the way he is. I even sought anger management and counseling in order to approach and avoid the possibility before it ever surfaced. It worked.

        Look around, Adam. How often do you hear meant talk about the women they share intimacy with in ways that you know the woman would go postal if she were secretly listening and watching? That is what I am talking. When I speak, I consider that my wife stands next to me at all times, listening intently. I call it respect, you call it what you will.

        I love, respect and nurture women, and men alike. I do not have a bent on thinking in a rape mode. I find your inference repulsive. I believe the girl in the article just wanted to be noisy. Nothing else.

        This is my last post on this.

      • Adam Rosenfield

        That’s all well and good, but that’s the point i’m making. Men can be respectful of women no matter who they are, no matter when they are in their life. I read about this a week ago, about saying “boys will be boys” is the problem. I’m glad you don’t wanna fit into that mold because that as a mold is a problem

      • Many, many men do not manage their thinking well enough to embrace that mind set. I tried to post a link to my blog on bullying, but apparently it wasn’t honored. Go to kellyjdrummer dot wordpress dot com and read “Kids are like that, leave ’em alone.” There you will see my complete take on pushing people around. I don’t tolerate bullying no matter who is throwing the punches.

      • Adam Rosenfield

        yeah…. I have linked sources on this site before as referencing citations and they took them down before.

      • Lauren Hoff

        So when women show skin they are asking to be oogled at, or assaulted, or raped? The boys can’t control their behavior, so it must be the womans fault

      • Not in my opinion. Let me help here.

        I am a man, a 60 year old man. I trust and elevate women much more and further than I ever will do for men. Men are idiots. Women are the humans who tolerate their idiot asses.

        Women do not “asK’ to be subjectified, men do it thinking they are somehow adorable in doing so.

        Get your brain straight.

        Thanks again.

      • PandaCat

        I wasn’t really reading the comments on this- just skimming along and my eyes caught “Men are idiots. Woman are the humans who tolerate their idiot asses.” I about wet my panties, I laughed so hard. I shared with my bf and he said “well, he’s right about that.”

        Thanks, sincerely, for sharing that pearl of wisdom.;-)

      • Shawn Patrick

        What the hell does rape have to do with dress codes? People have dress codes at work as well as school, so to show some modesty and to encourage appropriate attire for the situation. No one is suggesting the girl might be raped, but I’m sure teenage boys can get easily distracted if all the girls are wearing bikinis in a classroom. It’s no one’s fault, it’s just nature. It has nothing to do with assault or rape, but if you think you can teach boys going through puberty NOT to look or be distracted, you’re an idiot. You might as well have training classes to teach people how not to be gay.

      • MoodyCreator

        When it comes to dress codes, I really think that the main reason for there ALWAYS being more rules for women/girls than for men/boys is a mathematical one. Women and girls usually can, will and do enjoy having seemingly endless choices and possibilities for dress and fashion that doesn’t stop at just clothing. Clothing for males rarely changes much, as far as what they will shop for or be seen in. Slacks, jeans, shorts, shirts with buttons, shirts without, tshirts, sweaters, socks, dress shoes, tennis shoes, ties (if forced) and outerwear. Most don’t wear makeup or a lot of jewelry. Most I’ve known could trim that list down to just 4-5 of the above pieces, and prefer 1 brand and style for shoes and jeans. Women have more choices not just in articles of clothing, but also in pattern, color, cut, fabric, accessories….OMG the choice are endless. The fashion “tricks” and trends are endless as well, so it’s kind of a no-brainer as to why boys dress code rules take up half a page, while girls’ rules needs it’s own chapter. 🙂

      • rick taylor

        It may a bit much for you to wrap your “brain” around, but that is a power no tax payer funded school has.

      • The schools I went to, non parochial, back in the 1960s enforced their dress codes, including hair length. I had no problems with it. Thanks for the dose of smarm. I’ll smoke it later.

      • rick taylor

        Goose step all you want. I’ll take being free.

      • robingee

        LOL Godwin.

    • Seth Williams

      Of course it applies to guys. Show me the guys wearing Bootie shorts lol You can’t cause they don’t exist in that school.

      • That’ s the point, which was completely misunderstood, I was making. People just can’t read any longer.

    • Malachi B

      I do agree there are problems with sexism when it comes to dress codes. Length of shorts is not one of them. That specific rule is applied to both boys and girls. It’s not like a boy would have been allowed to wear short, shorts without reprimand. Allen’s main point that the girl had no validity in claiming the act of her being sent home was a means of shaming her is dead on accurate. This particular policy isn’t questionable by any means.

      Equal does not mean the same. It’s about fairness! Guys and girls do not have the same issues when it comes to public display of indecent clothing. Women have many more options of what they can wear clothes wise, which is why more things in the school need to be considered. Boys often can’t wear capris, but often girls can in these settings. Boys often cannot have the same number of piercings as girls. Those policies aren’t any less fair because they aren’t the same. School consider norms and what is traditionally accept for each sex. Girls can wear skirts, but guys cannot. Is that not unfair then? I think we have to consider that when changes are being made, they are in response to addressing a specific issue. Ear rings is a controversial issue because it’s becoming more common for guys to wear them.

      Boys and girls do not have the same issues when it comes
      to dress code. Boys dress codes are not scrutinized as heavily as girl’s dress codes, but they really don’t have as many problems. I do have an issue when boys can sag their pants in school without reprimand. Just because one group receives heavy scrutiny doesn’t make it sexist. It could actually mean there’s a bigger problem.

      The problem in general is the fact we are so focused on what everyone else is doing, saying, or looking at that we aren’t focusing on what is the most dignified way to be ourselves. If people were dressing and living in the most dignified way, we wouldn’t have all these issues.

      You mentioned, “that cornrow rule was racist”. Actually, it’s not. If
      you’re claiming the reason the principal forbade it was that girls could wear it at your school but boys couldn’t, that would be a sexist issue (potentially). Even if it had been about one particular race or ethnicity being given preference over the other, that would be discriminatory, not racist. Racism in action is when one’s words or actions are giving favor or disfavor to a particular because of racial superiority belief. When a ethnic group is being excluded simply because of their ethnicity, that’s simply discrimination. When an ethnic group is excluded because of dislike of that group or because of some expressed stereotype, that’s prejudice. Just wanted to point out the differences since many people throw out the word “racist or racism” when it’s really an issue of prejudice or discrimination.

      • Tina Power

        Guys do wear Capris only they seem to call them long shorts (perhaps to distance themselves from the femininity of the other). Guys can wear skirts too and I’m not talking just kilts. Only problem is how guys are viewed for wearing them. Clothing shouldn’t have a gender bias.

      • Malachi B

        Tina, I’m talking about in schools. Most schools do not allow boys to wear capris or skirts. These type of rules are gender based, but they are based on traditional norms. Some things ARE gender based the rule on shorts in this particular case applies to boys and girls. There’s definitely gender biases when it comes to acceptable clothing, but it’s not limited to the school system. It’s also in the workplaces. You cannot create one policy and universally expect it to be exactly the same for boys and girls. You CAN however, have universal values, yet different ways of maintaining those same values. If the purpose of a dress code is a modest, traditional look, that is going to be different for men and women. Doesn’t make it inherently gender biased (gender specific, yes) or wrong. Gender bias for a modest dress policy is when you allow one sex to get away with a less than modest look when the other cannot. It’s not the same as allowing one gender to wear the same or different things as the other. People believe that equality means allowing or doing exactly the same thing. It doesn’t. It means fairness, especially when dealing with different genders. Should girls be limited to collared shirts in a private school dress code? No, because that’s unfair to expect girls to dress exactly the same as guys. Women have more choices for fashion, which means there is the possibility for more indecent looks. It becomes necessary to have more specifics. At the end of the day, it is those who wear immodest clothing (male or female) who make the jobs of those creating these rules tougher. If people would police themselves, we wouldn’t have to complain about how others’ rules are problematic.

      • Tina Power

        Why aren’t guys allowed to were Capris and skirts? Saying because “that’s the way it is” means nothing. Why are women allowed to wear pants? Why is a person’s gender so important to their education or job?

      • rick taylor

        Thats why the school should have no say in it. And every thing you give is a very good example of sexism. Boys and girls should have the same rules, when you change the rules based on sex that is sexist. And to say because you or John Q Public looks at something as the norm, the bill of rights stops totalitarian rule. Schools need to teach and let the parents be the fashion police.Equal has to mean the same. As a school traditionally accept for each sex. Is A POWER THE SCHOOL HAS NEVER BEEN GIVEN, NOR SHOULD IT BE. No school that is funded by tax payers should have the right to tell tax payers how to dress their kids. If anything the tax payers should tell the school how to dress

      • Malachi B

        Rick, what do you think PTA meetings and discussions allow parents to do? Parents CAN and should be giving input on rules and regulations created at the school. Schools are designed to teach, but what is ethically acceptable is not and should not be left to one governing body. Leaving it to the parents means there CANNOT be a SAME ETHIC on what to and not to wear. You say same, but you fail to realize that means ONE unified body would have to create a same rule ethic. And what happens when parents are NOT doing their job? Should workplaces not have the right to enforce dress codes either? People pay taxes out the wazoo, so they should be able to wear what they want? That’s such an illogical argument. Paying taxes do not give a person any right or privilege in making a particular set of rules. Taxpayers have the right to be REPRESENTED in decisions that deal with how those taxes are spent.

        Let me give you a same rule dilemma:
        You have two children. One boy, one girl. One is a quadriplegic, the other has full functioning limbs. Should the able body child be allowed to use a wheelchair just because the other one does? Same rules, right?

        Differences are a factor in deciding needs. You cannot universally have EVERYTHING the same because people ARE different. Sexism or any prejudicial treatment comes when one party is given an unreasonable favor or entitlement because of one or more signifying differences. Girls are allowed to wear bras because they have female parts. Girls have tampons and pads for periods because of their female, biological needs. Should guys also have these things? Same rules for everyone, right?

        Yes, there are sexist rules and regulations that definitely need to be amended, but sexism is branded in American homes, media, religious affiliations, governing bodies, group settings, and almost everything we do. The problem isn’t the schools, the problem is there is no universal ethic that is void of sexism. You can say let the parents decide, but when they are sexist, uninformed, neglectful, ignorant, or predisposed to prejudiced ideals, you will have the same conflicts.

        Treating guys and girls as if they are exactly the same gives neglect to the differences that make people individuals. I cannot tell a girl she MUST wear the same kinds of clothes as guys just because that’s what guys wear. The term dress code is often inferred as restrictive, but many schools and workplaces give a lot of liberties. They are works in progress, and there was no particular treatment of this girl just because she was a girl. There was no sexist behavior. One may argue they disagree with the STRICTNESS of the shorts policy, but that’s a different issue altogether. This was a case of preference. The girl did not want to adhere to the policy because it didn’t meet her preference. What are her parents saying? Why aren’t they speaking up? I know plenty of guys who were sent home because they didn’t wear the appropriate pants or shirt. It’s not because they were guys. It’s because they broke the code. That was the premise of the article. There’s no evidence given to suggest otherwise, but we could ask a lot of questions about what is missing from this article.

        No one is asking, “Was being sent home tOo strict of a punishment? Have boys received lesser treatment for the same violations?” Notice the girl is not making those arguments at all. She wants to express her individuality (which you cannot completely do in all SAME RULE society). You cannot have same rules and individuality. You can have a same VALUE ethic and individuality. People want a value system that allows everyone to do what they want, but someone has to say no at some point. If the value is If the value is modesty, then there will rules that differ based on what is modest. Who gets to decide that? Now that’s an interesting question.

      • rick taylor

        There should be no such thing as a dress code. Or at least it should be no different than what is legal. Yes they should be able to wear what their tax paying parents allow, and teachers should get back to the job of teaching. We have laws, that govern, adding more, 1 is not the job of a school, 2 serves no purpose, 3 teaches the kids nothing, 4 is in conflict with the law, 5 is stupid.

      • Jimmy Brown

        Rick,

        You have obviously never been in as classroom trying to teach a classroom full of 30-40 (or more) teenagers! Some of those tax paying parents also have guns and drugs at home so we should allow those according to your reasoning. Just because a parent “allows” their CHILD to dress inappropriatly it does not make it ok to subject other students to it. Inappropriate clothing can be a huge distraction in a classroom and I can guarantee that as soon as an inappropriate comment is made or something worse happens the school would be blamed for it. So with your reasoning we now need to allow the kids to smoke in school, have sex whenever they want, cuss as much as they want and skip class whenever they want. Sure does sound like there will be a lot of “teaching” going on doing things your way! Do us all a favor and sign up to substitute teach for a few weeks at a high school and find out what it’s really like to actually TEACH!!!! Good luck!

      • rick taylor

        Jimmy you put words in my mouth to support your Fascism, that’s not cool. I am a very big supporter of teachers. Even looked up the 5 that taught me the most on FB and told them think you. I am well past 50 so you know that wasn’t easy. Now, Inappropriate clothing? Is there not already a low against Inappropriate clothing in public? I think there is. So what you mean is some indoctrination into your little Fascist world as to your or the school systems definition of what Inappropriate is. Not the law as to what it is. You did not put where you are from, but here it is illegal for a child to smoke, or have sex. And I do think that cussing is protected by the 1st Amendment, within reason, as for skipping class, hell all they have to do is not goose step right, and you help them skip class. I have a better idea than an old biker becoming a sub. How about the real teachers stop bitching about how kids dress, what they talk like or how they wear their hair and do their jobs. Teachers that cry about crap that means nothing, like this. Need to find another line of work, or let kids be kids. We done?

      • Chadlius

        Dear mr. Antifacist Rick Taylor. Mr. Brown is right and you are wrong. Until you teach in a coeducational school you do not know what you are talking about. Either accept his challenge to sub or admit your ignorance. Put up or shut up. Schools are not a “normal” situation where the usual rules of public order suffice to create an atmosphere that promotes learning or allows teachers to do their job. Public rules allow many things that would disrupt in a class room. In public you can use obscene language, you do not have to listen to or obey an adult. You can play loud music etc. etc. It appears you have old resentments from your own school days? Grow up and get over it. Yes schools could be better. I hate the amount of homework they give these days and how little choice the kids have in the subjects they must study and how irrelevant much of the curriculum is. The horror of having to abide by a dress code is no suffering at all in comparison.

      • rick taylor

        real easy forget the BS and teach kids. The only thing that disrupt in a classroom is a teacher that should be in another line of work. My school days were really pretty good as I had a lot of good teachers that were intelligent enough to know school was not about them and what is good for them, it was about the kids. And any good teacher should know the best atmosphere that promotes learning is one that is best for the kids, not the cry baby at the head of the class, that is there for a paycheck. You are right kids do have a lot on them and there is no need to put more stupidity on them. Bottom line, if you are a teacher, and you think the classroom has to be set a way you can teach, you really should be in another line of work, because what you want in a job you are getting paid to do, should never even come up.

      • Chadlius

        There for a paycheck? you exhibit your prejudice very clearly if you think most teachers are in it for the money. Again until you have stood in some ones shoes in front of a class it seemss incredibly arrogant to make such judgments. “The only thing that disrupts” is a teacher in the wrong line of work? Sweeping generalizations and categorical statements seldom reflect reality. Only teachers have no right to input about their working conditions? Or does this apply to everyone?
        Still sounds like unresolved teenage angst over perceived abuse. I am sorry if a bad teacher abused you years ago. Almost everyone encounters one or more. I did. Bottom line, If I understand correctly, is you think that there should be no special school rules that vary from the law of the land. Sounds logical, but in practice is unknown to have ever worked in my experience. Or perhaps you can enlighten me with an example. My mind is still open even if your is not.

      • Foamy Darkale

        wow I don’t think I can facepalm hard enough at most of your statements. Everything you have thus far suggested can and will lead to disrupting the class and put a halt on the teacher being able to teach at all. Sadly the fastest way to end any conflict or difference of opinion is to eject both sides from disrupting everyone else. in this case the girl needs to be suspended for causing a issue within the school (the posters) and face whatever disaplenary action her short shorts would call for as per the student handbook. I’ve been to several schools over the years and each and everyone had versions of dress codes and some even worse then what she is pointing at and calling wrong. from the photo’s I’ve seen of her there’s one major thing I see, not all are cut offs and some are longer then others so she’s clearly changing her clothes per pic which is kinda off seeing as how this whole issue revolves around her wearing a pair of short shorts. lets’ see the ones’ in question .

      • Andrew Sindler

        Rick, have ever held down a stable job? Because your words sound strangely like those of a man who has never had to conform to business attire.

        Dress codes at school have no bearing on reality outside of school? That’s rich. I’ll remember that the next time I go into work with a silk blouse exposing my pecs and a skirt on with no underwear underneath.

        Then I will use your argument
        to persuade my boss not to fire me and have me escorted out of the building by security. I of course will never be hired at any law firm within 100 miles again. But what is important here is to feed your delusions and stroke your ego so as to never let you lose the belief you can get away or should get away with whatever you want as long as you feel its right or fair.

        Does anyone else think this guy and people who think this teenager has a valid point are twits?

      • Shawn Patrick

        So in gym if they have a shirts vs skins game, the girls should also be forced to play topless?

      • Girl who feels your ridiculous

        All the schools I have ever been to that had a dress code applied to both male and female. Girls couldn’t wear revealing shirts and shorts that were to short, boys couldn’t wear baggy clothes and pants that didn’t cover their butts. Basically the same rule neither gender was allowed to show off their butt. The dress code is different for males and females, because the dress is different for males and females. The whole argument of different rules being sexist is stupid and ridiculous and the whole reason why a lot of schools have school uniform. To keep people like you from allowing your child to dress inappropriately and blaming it on gender biased.

      • Cassie

        All the schools I have ever been to that had a dress code applied to both male and female. Girls couldn’t wear revealing shirts and shorts that were to short, boys couldn’t wear baggy clothes and pants that didn’t cover their butts. Basically the same rule neither gender was allowed to show off their butt.

    • Tam

      my school boys AND girls had similar rules. the no shorts past finger
      tips thing and no tank tops, and the for the boys, no hats, no baggy jeans, no giant
      shirts, no pants below your waist, and if they violated, they got sent
      home or the office to wait for their parents to pick them up or depending on the teacher, they would give the girls a giant ugly sweater and sweat pants, and the boys got their hats taken away, and those without belts, were given a rope to wear. if they were caught again, then sent home. it didn’t matter what race you were, who you were, or your gender. same rules applied to everyone. so i disagree with you statement and i agree with this article.

      • Tam

        also, it applied to girls who wore baggy jeans (there were some) as well… so, thats interesting yeah?

    • David Agosta

      Because if a boy wore shorts so short that he was hanging out of them, the school, being sexist and not concerned with decorum wouldn’t do anything about it? Is that your assumption?

    • Foamy Darkale

      among the common arguments is that there are more rules against girls then there are on the boys dress codes, have you or any of these people looked at how much more items of clothing there are for girls versus boys? and that is why it might seem unfair but in reality its’ not. like having 100 pennies over having 4 quarters.sounds like alot more.

    • Yo mamma

      The issue isn’t about you! Shut up with your stupid corn rows were taking about shorts! Shorts! Shorts, only. So shut up with your sob story or I’ll put a boot in your ass myself. I also have long hair and was frequently picked on at school for my long hair shut the fuck up. Shorts isnt a hairstyle

    • Cnutter

      All the schools I have ever been to that had a dress code applied to both male and female. Girls couldn’t wear revealing shirts and shorts that were to short, boys couldn’t wear baggy clothes and pants that didn’t cover their butts.

  • Tom Langley

    Im not one to pass judgement till I have all the facts-Please post a picture of this sweet little thing in her Daisy Dukes! LOL Then and only then can I pass an educated judgement on her!

    • Katrina Engel

      This is some of the “boy behavior” the young woman is trying to point out as more inappropriate than her shorts, and this isn’t even a teenager. So she does have something of a point. But the rule about shorts was in place in almost all of the 24 schools I have attended across the country(I’m a Navy brat), and was always enforced for boys and girls. Of course, a boy who wanted to wear shorter shorts was rare, but did happen. One high school that didn’t allow shorts at all once dealt with a male protest in which most of the upperclassmen guys came to school in skirts to show how unfair that rule was to them. If there if unfairness it goes both ways. So,with all that said, I agree with the author. This is another spoiled kid telling the people who should be in charge how things are going to be. Another example of how Dr. Spock and Dr. Phil have done more to reduce our society than any law or activist. But don’t worry I am sure there we be new pill from the makers of Adderol soon.

      • robingee

        How have Dr. Spock and Dr. Phil “reduced our society?” How do you reduce a society? Make less people?

        “Adderall” – it’s spelled “Adderall.”

      • Katrina Engel

        Terribly sorry for the spelling error. Perhaps I should have stuck with Ritalin or Risperdal or any of the other “make my kid shut up I don’t have time to be a parent” pills on the market. To reduce means “to make less”. These celebrity docs loudly advocating that basic discipline damages the delicate psyche of our poor children have made our society less than it once was or could have been. Less respectful, less productive, less appreciative. Kids live to young adulthood telling everyone how they want it to be, and snap when they encounter actual rules. Some throw tantrums with the parents. Some throw tantrums with the media. Some throw tantrums with guns. Our children are out of control, and a little basic discipline in the home could change the direction of our country.

      • robingee

        Dr. Spock and Dr. Phil are “making less” our society.

        Gotcha.

        I’m no Dr. Phil fan, but most kids I see on there are out of control brats who need discipline. Are there particular cases you have seen where you feel that Dr. Phil is teaching kids to be less respectful?

        People thought kids in the 1950’s with their leather jackets, rock & roll and fast cars were “out of control” – let’s not go fucking nuts with every generation.

      • Katrina Engel

        Ok, my colloquial vernacular seems to be confusing you so I will be more specific. The ideology that basic discipline of children, commonly referred to as “spanking”, is harmful to the emotional health of children, as put forward by those such as Dr. Spock, and loudly advocated by such as Dr. Phil, has lead to a cultural change which creates generations of undisciplined children. This is not to say that Dr. Phil is personally responsible for every brat running loose in the world, only that the ideology he espouses has had a negative effect on societal norms. Children need discipline. Not disciplining our children for the last 50 or 60 years has caused kids to behave badly as a norm that parents are taught to accept. Are you getting it this time?

      • robingee

        It wasn’t a matter of me getting it, it was a matter of you not explaining yourself.

        So not hitting children is making this society worse. No one has disciplined their children in the last 50 or 60 years. Not allowing physical abuse of a child is making children behave badly.

        Gotcha.

      • Katrina Engel

        How many school shootings were there in the 1950 s?

      • robingee

        21.

    • robingee

      Good satire! You really sound like a sexist asshole. I hate guys like that don’t you??

    • It’s not unlikely that “passing judgment” won’t be tough for you to do.

  • Paul Val

    Allen, It’s your maturity I am questioning. Why would you stoop to calling the girl names? talk about immature. Perhaps you can make your point without trying to ridicule the object of your angst. She has a valid point. You made no points other than twisting the topic to meet your needs. No one ever said boys shouldn’t be attracted to females, but you certainly made it clear that boys CAN’T help themselves if girls are attractive and that it IS the females job to NOT entice a boy with no self control by dressing in a way so as not to illicit a response. Your article actually PROVES the girls exact point.

    I was going to go on and on as your piece is wrong in so many ways. But judging by your complete lack of maturity and wisdom I really doubt you would be humble enough to learn anything. Good luck in the real world, you’re in for a rude awakening.

  • Adam Rosenfield

    she has a point. and due to the reaction she is getting, it is a cogent one. Whether it was to get out of trouble or to get attention, or because she is tired of the conversation about how girls have to deal with their reality, she has a point. The high school is not a professional environment, though she could find some value and take that lesson away, but another perfectly valid lesson is that the dress codes for women is about making them cover up. There’s a pretty prominent debate going on right now that it isn’t on girls to avoid being sexualized, but on the people who teach boys that sexualizing women is okay. She shouldn’t be a distraction no matter what she is wearing unless it is obscene. Shorts are not obscene

  • Britt

    First off, you’re wrong. The girl isn’t whining, she’s making a statement representing how a majority of young girls feel nowadays. As a female in college, I am so incredibly tired of being told my shorts are inappropriate, even when they’re not, all because they tempt men. No. Wrong. Men should be able to control themselves and have enough respect for women to not care how WOMEN want to dress themselves. Long story short, until males mature enough to not want to have sex with every female who wear something above the knee, women will always have to look over their shoulders. That is incredibly sad and wrong.

    • dms

      She is whining and drawing more attention to herself. Because the real point here is that girls need to have enough self-confidence that just being themselves will attract attention to them and not because they aren’t wearing enough clothes. Why do you wear short shorts – because it is scorching hot? Because you like the way you look in them? Or because you want to look attractive to the outside world? I think this whole idea of I can wear what I want has gone too far. There are people out there that will get the wrong idea by how you are presenting yourself to the world and it your responsibility to protect yourself. THat is a lesson all young girls should learn. And you should dress respectfully at school because it does prepare you for the real world. Pick a real cause to publicly support because the more that these situations are looked upon as feminist manifestos, the more the real trials and violations will be ignored and dismissed.

      • Adam Rosenfield

        you’re assuming that she wants attention and that’s why she is wearing shorts and making a deal out of being sent home. That’s kinda sexist.

        btw, those are your words “Because the real point here is that girls need to have enough self-confidence that just being themselves will attract attention to them and not because they aren’t wearing enough clothes”

        women’s garb is monitored closely for some reason. If we want kids to dress professionally in high school, i’m all for that. but dressing ‘respectfully’ is too nebulous to support an objective standard, especially if that is the standard that’s being enforced now. Women’s clothing is regulated. If anyone thinks it is because it is too distracting to other students then they’re the problem

      • Lauren Hoff

        You are assuming that the only time a woman wears skin revealing clothing is to get attention. YOu are disregarding that it could have everything to do with fashion or comfort, and nothing to do with someone else staring at them. Again, you are prepetuating rape culture. “There are people out there who get the wrong idea, so it is your responsibility to protect yourself”. How about we start shaming the people who “have the wrong idea” rather than forcing girls into hiding. Just dress us all like muslims, cause that is what it seems like you want

      • You’re really reading WAY too much into this.

    • PandaCat

      Seems to me, this is being blown way out of proportion. No-one’s telling this girl she can’t wear shorts. She just is expected to follow the school code. That’s a lesson in life- sometimes you have to follow rules you don’t like. To me- that’s the end of the issue.

  • Champ

    The girl needs to learn to follow rules. I wore a skort (a skirt that had shorts attached) and was sent home( sophomore year in High school 1997) to change clothes..wear either pants or a skirt as long as the tip of my fingers. I was embarrassed but just fix it and move on with your day. Not a big deal!

    • PandaCat

      I agree with you 100%. I had the same experience as you (except it was 1996). I was embarrassed, got over it, and learned a lesson about following rules. Pretty basic!

    • robingee

      No one wears skirts anymore! I think they should make a comeback. But not Gaucho pants.

  • lilblondspitfire

    For god’s sake, she brought on her own shame. These rules are in place in order to keep the kids focused on school work. In a high school, full of raging hormones, not an easy thing to do. Where were her parents when she walked out the door with clothes that didn’t meet the school’s dress code? I tend to think this family is just looking to supplement their income with a lawsuit. SMH.

  • monica

    I have no problem with dress codes (2″ above the knees) but with arbitrary rules like fingertip length that can be different for each student. And I have a problem that most dress codes for girls are double or triple the rules for boys. And while I think this girl took it way over the top, she has a great point about making boys responsible for their own reactions

  • Seth Williams

    Rules are rules, either follow them or suffer the consequences. You know the dress code, deal with it!

  • Jason King

    Dude, you’re an idiot. you act like this is an isolated incident. girls in schools everywhere are protesting these rules. and they’re right. it is objectifying. I mean, as a dude, as long as I’m wearing pants and maybe a shirt, I wouldn’t have any problems. however, for all girls, there’s a shitload of rules. yeah, girls shouldn’t just be able to wear as little as they want, but they should be able to dress comfortably. I mean shorts can be used to get attention, but they can also be worn because it’s fucking hot out! what, girls should just deal with the heat while guys don’t have to worry? also, it’s not about whether or not guys are sexually attracted to girls. it’s about guys controlling themselves. I was in drama. several times, I was in a room where girls were undressing to change costumes, and I didn’t look. wanna know why? not because I wasn’t attracted to them. because I have decency, and I think of girls as more than just sex objects

  • MoodyCreator

    I went to a school that didn’t allow shorts at all. It was the only one in the city that didn’t, and it was universal. The only exceptions were for sports teams – like the softball, volleyball and basketball teams could wear their uniform shorts on game days. Cheerleaders and dance squad could wear their little skirts on game days,but otherwise, girls’ skirts went by the 2″ above the knee rule. We hated it, and now that I’m 50, I still think it was stupid, but nobody suffered for having been made to follow it either. Students, especially teens, have more than enough real stresses, worries and insecurities going on. It’s truly pathetic to jump into the pity parade to support a 15 yr old who is trying to push the envelope that hundreds (probably millions) before her surely already tried and failed. No monument necessary on their account. Have the student council work on pushing for dress code changes if the current one has outlived it’s practicality. No harm, no foul here at the end of the day though. Not by the girl or the school.

    • ekgrafiks

      When I read this I flashed back to Mrs. McFarlan, who made all us girls kneel in the hallway in a line while she checked that all skirts/dresses touched the floor while kneeling. This was 1969-1970 when miniskirts ruled. We weren’t allowed pants, shorts or coulotts (today’s ‘skorts’). If your hemline was a micrometer above the floor, you had the option of going home to change, or spend the day doing class assignments in the nurse’s office (for real!) The issue here is that there are rules and there are teenagers. Teenagers buck rules. It’s in their natures. That doesn’t make the teens right or the rules wrong. But for those that say the rules are wrong, they need to be shown wrong for everyone required to follow them, not just one individual. The way to challenge the rule is en masse to those responsible for enforcing the rules, not vigilante activism. And I hardly think this was a political statement. I haven’t seen a photo of the offending attire, so I can’t comment if it was inappropriate or not. But I have the impression it was just a kid seeing how far she could push the envelope. And she was embarrassed? Oh, puleeze!!! Imagine the embarrassments and disappointments in store for her over the next 50-80 years!

  • Gord S.

    All schools elementary and secondary should have a national or a provincial(state) uniform. This would help deal with a lot of issues at school including bullying.

  • El Vee

    If she has a pfoblem.woth the dress code perpetuating the sexualization of girls bodies, then a complant or protest is in order. Using this point to defent rule breaking after the fact, weakens the movement.
    Here in SW Florida, shorts are not allowed, period. Regardless of gender. Even in summer.

  • LMB

    Totally disagree with this. I am okay with dress codes and believe kids should follow rules, but there needs to be some leniency and teachers need to use discretion and take each student/ outfit case by case. If a girl’s vagina is hanging out then, yes send her home, but if everything is covered who cares if they go past her fingertips. I really feel for this girl and I tear up a bit because I know exactly has she and other countless other girls feel. I am a tall girl. Even as an adult, there are not shorts that go past my fingertips. In 7th grade I was sent home because my shorts were too short. I was a good kid who stayed out of trouble and I wore the longest shorts I could find, but being tall, they never complied with rules. I was so embarrassed. After that even though it’s hot as hell in Texas and I was miserable walking between buildings and going home from school, I never wore shorts to school again until I graduated and went to college. It’s not about the girls trying to be sexual, or grab attention, or anything else. It’s simply about comfort. And it doesn’t matter if a girl is in a turtle neck and jeans or if she’s naked, if a boy is attracted to her, he will have sexual thoughts about her and that’s okay. It his responsibility to be a respectful young man as it is a girl’s to be a respectful young woman.

  • Krist Martin

    I’m sorry, but this isn’t ridiculous. These rules are often applied only to girls in the schools and they’re inconsistent as each person is different. By forcing her to change or sending her home it is very much a “slut shaming” by the school. The school is essentially saying “you’re being too revealing so you need to leave now”. They could have just given her a warning and let her continue on with her day.

    • Sue Roediger

      with kids this age you have to follow through. If you let one finish out the day, dozens will to it so they can have the one day of attention. I went to an all girls catholic school… the skirt length was enforced – because it was “the rule” … there were rules about hair styles, and make up. You can’t let one kid slide — because actually kids are constantly pushing against all standards and if you give in — like in an avalanche you’ll be lost.

      • Krist Martin

        A rule that is differential and has not proper definition is not enforceable. As for following through, well, frankly, as I said double standards in a public school that don’t make any sense and don’t allow for different body types or changes in clothing style and availability are not fair or enforceable. Would it be fair for say a 1890’s dress code to be enforced on today’s youth? Should all girls were long dresses, a petticoat, have their hair in buns? Should all boys be forced to wear knee high stockings, briches just above the knee, a waist coat and tie? No, why, because that isn’t the style these days.

        If the school wants to enforce ludicrous dress codes then it should have a uniform that all students are required to wear.
        They could have easily let her stay and finish her day out after giving a warning and being done with it, instead they over reacted and failed at their job.

      • Sue Roediger

        It’s not like the dress code was secret. This is not September – it’s the end of the school year. When this girl put on the shorts she knew how short they were.
        Of course we wouldn’t have a “throw back” dress code, but neither would any reasonable school have an “anything goes” policy either.
        I thought I read that instead of saying she was sorry and that she wouldn’t do it again – she said the whether was hot and it’s not fair and tried to make it about the boys.
        When dealing with kids letting them do something “just this once” is chipping away at the foundation of discipline. This may NOT have been her first time, she may have had warnings already.
        Our school did have uniforms and kids still tried to defy – length of skirts, shorts etc, The rules are passed out first thing on the school year……..This is just a kid pushing back to see how far she can go.
        My students did this kind of thin all the time. They were allowed to wear hooded sweatshirts – but not to have the hoods up on school grounds (it’s a gang thing and it was a school for kids kicked out of school) EVERY DAY some kid tried – I never relented and said ok just this once but don’t do it tomorrow. They wore t shirts with marijuana leaves and all kinds of other stuff .. we had a box of shirts donated by staff and made them change. If this student is such a good girl she should have just followed the rule. then she would have had no problems.

  • Chadlius

    Young girl’s quote “it’s hot outside” yet the photo that posted with the earlier report showed her standing in the sunshine with a bulky looking sweater on. Also is it hot inside too? Was it hot in the morning coming to school? If it is SOOO hot that getting home in the heat is unbearable she could “change” before going home. It seems to me that the “hot” she is concerned with is how she looks. If you think some girls at most schools are not dressing for attention then go to most any high school. I do not imply that wanting attention is the same as wanting harassment or assault. Boys (and men) can learn to be responsible for their reactions. But asking them to focus on school work while a young woman is toying with her belly piercing next to him is cruel and unusual.

  • kd92mesa

    Total agree with you, but she is just doing what the adults have showed her, that this kind of smoke screening works. All your politicians do it, corporations do it every day. Slight of hand tricks, you put the focus of everyone instead of on you or a problem you have created, to something else that is a hot point at that time.

  • TexMex

    How about bringing back school uniforms and thank that girl for that?? woudn’t that be awesome?

  • Robert Hatch

    I think you need to do some more research, her issue was not entirely with the dress code but the fact that it was applied to girls while ignoring boys. That girls in the school were put through much more persecution and inspections whereas the boys had no worries. That is not equal on any level.

    It sounds like you just read the headline and went with it. I thought similarly when I read the headline but as I read through the article I understood her POV and I have to say I agree with her.

    • Sue Roediger

      I didn’t see anything about boys being allowed short shorts

      • Robert Hatch

        Probably not, nor will you be likely to find anything that says they are not allowed to wear them either, nor that the boys are subject to inspections or measurements of said shorts or the width of their straps on their shirts nor any other constraints for the girls, which is the point. Most every dress code is directed primarily at what girls wear with a literal laundry list for females while males have maybe one or two questionable items. It comes across as being towards one gender while letting the other do what they want (Like run around the school with no shirt on, no one thinks twice when a boy does it, but of course a girl does and it becomes a huge issue)

      • Sue Roediger

        I guess that is why my mom sent me to an all girls school. At first I hated it – then we realized we didn’t have to worry about what the boys thought until after school on the city bus on the way home. We still had a dress code. No pants or shorts only skirts that had to touch the floor when you knelt down (this was the 60’s) we did roll our skirts up off campus. We had regulation shoes too, You could actually get a “demerit” for wearing sneakers, or teasing your hair or wearing hairspray, or lipstick or mascara. Yikes sounds barbaric now.!

      • PandaCat

        I’d be willing to bet the wording in the school dress code is “No student is allowed to wear…”. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. If that is the way it’s worded (if it isn’t, it probably will be now), there’s no discrimination going on here at all. I admit I haven’t been in highschool for 14 years, but I never saw a boy allowed on campus without a shirt on who ws not promptly told to get dressed or go home.

  • Nathan

    Why do schools police the skirt lines or revealing clothes policies in the first place? Shouldn’t that be the parents responsibility? Why should our culture make the youth walk a straight and narrow line, leaving them pining for the moment that they are ‘adults’ at 18 and can do whatever they want to.

    Do clothing regulations cause better behavior in the students, or do they just provide a more comfortable atmosphere for the teachers’ generation?

    • Sue Roediger

      If you don’t have a code .. you leave things open to the student’s interpretation.. then when someone goes overboard — you have a real struggle to assert authority. So their are standards about hair, and shirts and skirts and pants and what can be allowed on a t-shirt. It is perfectly appropriate.

  • Sharon Bigler

    Allen, I completely AGREE with you on this 100%. She knew what the rules were. And everyone else abides by them. Dress codes are indeed appropriate for schools to have in place. She willfully broke the rules and now wants to get some media attention and some sympathy because she was embarrassed. PLEASE! Immature is right! But since when does the media veer away from petty sensational stories? Haha! This entire rant of hers needs to be ignored. And she needs to be disciplined by her parents, which I feel she must have strongly lacked throughout her life.

    • PandaCat

      Yes! Thank you. Who hasn’t been embarrassed by being caught breaking rules in school? It’s part of the experience of learning how to live in society. Immature, definately. I agree with Allen: what’s wrong with these adults that they support this?!

  • Andrea Kane

    Usually I agree with you, but you are WRONG on this one.

  • rick taylor

    Why not let the mom and dad decide what their kids wear to school, and take the school out of it. As I do not see where that is part of teaching. Anything legal in public should be legal in school

    • Christopher

      It’s legal for men to be shirtless in public. You think guys should go to school shirtless? Personally, I would have preferred uniforms in my school. Reason 1, My clothes would always match. Reason 2, people might have cared more about what the teacher was saying, and less about how they looked (this actually applies MORE to guys than girls. Animal instinct for us to try and impress ladies, not the other way around). Reason 3, I wouldn’t have to see the underwear of half the boys in school.

      Of course, my thought is the bigger issue than kids wearing innappropriate clothing (and yes, it is school that gets to decide what is appropriate and what isn’t, not the parents) is the issue of certain kids who…lack proper hygene, if you catch my drift.

  • Tina Shaft-Fenimore

    Perhaps you should do a little more research on what slut shaming is before you talk about things you obviously do not understand?

  • Kristina Anderson

    Wow, for those that are arguing that most dress codes sexist… Are there school rules considered ageist because they don’t apply outside of school or for 18+? Since “Dress appropriately” proclamation doesn’t seem to be enough, every eventuality, from hair length and jewelry, to skirt length and baggy pants, needs address, void of social commentary…or do you want total honesty when dress codes are written? “No revealing clothes because it is a distraction no matter how many times we tell 14 year old boys not to think like that” “No flashy jewelry, cause let’s face it, you might get jumped” “No high heels, because you will probably break your ankle trying to run down the stairs so you won’t be late for class”

    • Adam Rosenfield

      …. again… it is sexist to think that men cannot control themselves. Even as teenagers we practice self-denial constantly by sitting in school and doing schoolwork despite wanting to not be there. men can have healthy boundaries, women don’t have to control us

      • Kristina Anderson

        School dress codes are about more than just sexual provocation… most schools ban T-shirts with explicit, provocative(not necessarily sexy) language, for students to avoid any hassle… and, as many have pointed out, there are many environments where those in authority can and will have a say in your appearance. Why are parents using a flawed argument to support a minor defying rules?

      • Adam Rosenfield

        what environment can a person where t-shirt and jeans again?

        i’d accept that argument if business casual was the wardrobe or close to it, but its not.

        My inquiry is to ask what do you think the dress code is about? because I believe I have refuted the idea that it is about practicing wardrobe for the workplace.

      • Kristina Anderson

        I have never had to enforce or design a dress code, but I believe that one aim of dress code is prevent distraction, and that goes for nonsexual distraction also…. Some schools have 50-minute classes… If 10 of those minutes are spent telling kids to take off sunglasses, or wild hats, or to stop talking about so and so’s offensive Tshirt, etc… there is a problem that can be fixed… if a lot of girls have fallen down the stairs because of high heels, there’s a problem… if guys can’t walk fast enough out of the building during a drill because of saggy pants, there’s a problem…if a child continually comes to class dress inappropriately, a dress code may help them out where a guardian/parent may have failed… There’s a myriad of reasons, too many to address each one individually, so easier for blanket rules, which AS CHILDREN in a school setting, they should follow.. They can question and find the reasons, but they should not be taught that it’s ok to just defy…

      • Adam Rosenfield

        actually… teaching obedience as a default position is bad parenting (I forgot the guy’s name on NPR but he has written a lot of parenting books) because it stifles creativity and independence among other things… I wish I could find that show cause I don’t remember the author’s name but he has a really interesting look at parenting

        I understand the idea of a bare minimum, but if people are making bad decisions, they get consequences. some decisions are too bad to be made, but there are plenty of adults who haven’t worn saggy pants who are perpetually late. Fixing the behavior is far more constructive to the culture than fixing apparel.

  • hmmm…

    This right here is exactly why there should be uniforms in every school. It’s also absolutely ridiculous the things that kids are getting away with anymore because everyone has to be so PC! There is a such thing as too short for shorts(and skirts) and boys are not wearing them so of course girls are being .”targeted”. Let’s call a spade a spade, she wanted attention and she’s getting it. Way to go America, let’s make a girl wearing skanky shorts top priority.

  • Cynthia Padley

    I grew up with dress codes, just like everybody else, it’s the way of the world !! Just take a look around at what the kids are wearing these days….everybody has the right to self expression, but not in school or at work !! This isn’t about targeting girls, it’s about teaching them what is proper to wear in public !! The fact that her parents would let her go to school dressed like that, knowing it’s against the rules, I would say it’s their fault for not doing their job as a parent !!

    • Christopher

      Exactly! Kids need to learn what is decent and what is not, and they need to learn that just because they don’t like a rule, doesn’t mean they can ignore it. It’s this attitude that makes people come into the gas station shirtless and shoeless (I have to kick them out and they get angry at ME because they have never been told no for it before.) Hell, he didn’t come in the store, but I saw some guy driving his truck in our parking lot. When his gf opened the door to hop in…he was naked. The rules are not enforced nowadays, and that’s why I have to call the cops on loitering teens who spend an hour just ‘hanging’ in our parking lot, walking around, blocking cars, and being loud and obnoxious. Their excuse?

      ‘It’s Friday/Saturday night, man! We’re just having fun! Man, you’re racist/sexist!’ (Yes, called both, by teens breaking the rules, in case you don’t think a teen would whine and exaggerate to get their way.)

  • FD Brian

    when I was in high school over 20 years ago, they enforced the dress code more with the boys than with the girls.

  • Chadlius

    “It’s hot out side” To quote one of her excuses. Yet in both pictures I have seen of her standing “outside” she is wearing a large sweater. In Montreal, not Phoenix. Clifton is right this is just a spoiled kid who wants attention from boys or the media and thinks rules don’t apply to her.

  • Joe

    Dress codes are applied unevenly in schools, however. For instance, one common rule is that shoulders must be covered. No “only applies to girls” or whatever. But I wore tank tops almost every day in the warmer months of the last semester (I live in Indiana, unfortunately). Was anything said to me about not covering my shoulders? No. And I was practically begging for something to be said. But my friend wore a cami one day, and she was told that she had to cover it up. It was a little social experiment that she and I had done, and the results were just as we thought they’d be. It’s ridiculous.

    Add to that the fact that most stores like Aeropostale or American Eagle or Hollister don’t sell very long shorts for girls, especially not in warmer months. The only longer shorts for girls I’ve seen are the high-waisted ones, and when pulled up as high as they’re supposed to be, they don’t go down any lower than the regular shorts. Girls don’t really have many options when it comes to shorts.

  • FalseCathedrals

    I don’t even know how I stumbled across this, but after a quarter into it, I had to stop. Seriously, who cares? There’s way more important shit in the world to worry about. She’s a fucking teenager, acting like how a lot of teenagers act.

  • Catey Hamilton

    My problem with the shorts rule is it used to be a lot easier to follow. Girls can only wear shorts as long as the manufacturers make them. I had to stop wearing shorts altogether to school when I was in middle school because they were being made too short to comply with school dress codes. I agree that 15 year old girls’ butt cheeks should be popping out of their shorts, but until we demand the manufacturers change, how can they? There is a prevalent problem with sexualizing girls, even very young ones. Personally, I think school uniforms are the way to go. Then you avoid all kinds of problems, like short shorts/skirts, name brands making you better than other people, rich and/or cute girls getting to wear whatever they want because the adult male teachers like looking at them. (And yes, that last one happened more times that I care to count at my old school. We had male administrators that would tell the female teachers to stop being jealous when they sent pretty girls to the office for wearing inappropriate clothing.)

  • Stop fussing

    I think you guys are missing the point of a dress code. It’s professionalism. Women do not wear obscenely short shorts/ skirts in a professional environment. (Or at least they shouldn’t) guys, no matter their sexual orientation do no wear capris or skirts in a business environment. Frankly (keep in mind I’m 23) I think schools should adopt a “business casual” dress code policy to make it even more professional.