10 Indisputable Facts that Debunk Nearly Every Ridiculous Gun Nut Talking Point

When it comes to the debate over gun and gun regulations, there’s a whole lot of garbage propaganda that gets used by pro-gun fanatics to try to defend their positions. For instance, their claim that guns have nothing to do with gun violence, that anyone pushing for sensible gun regulations is trying to destroy the Second Amendment, and (my favorite) “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.” Odds are everyone reading this has heard these (and many others) uttered by people who are staunchly against any new gun reforms.



At the heart of this irrational obsession with guns is the fact that this attitude is fueled by the NRA, the conservative media and the billions of dollars the gun lobby has spent over the last few decades buying the Republican party. This creates a problem considering tens of millions of Americans in this country view these three as credible sources of information, however, none of them will report on indisputable facts about guns and gun regulations that don’t support their pro-gun propaganda.

So, I thought I’d list a few of these indisputable facts that these fanatical pro-gun folks hope tens of millions of Americans never hear about.

1. Conservative hero and icon Ronald Reagan supported the 1994 ban on assault weapons that gun fanatics and most Republicans now vehemently oppose: They can try to spin it however they want, but the “go-to guy” Republicans worship would actually be on the side of Democrats, liberals and President Obama when it came to the fight to ban military-style assault weapons.

2. Nine of the ten states that lead the country in gun-related homicides per capita are pro-gun, “red” states: So much for the argument that gun regulations do nothing but increase the likelihood of gun violence while lax gun laws keep people safer.

3. The majority of Americans support banning military-style assault weapons: Sorry gun fanatics, but 57 percent of Americans think selling these guns should be against the law.

4. Ronald Reagan signed the law that banned fully-automatic weapons: Yes, not only did Reagan support the 1994 ban, but he was the president who signed off on extremely tight regulations on fully-automatic weapons that make them nearly impossible to obtain.

5. Reagan’s ban on fully-automatic weapons actually proves gun regulations do work: If a psychopathic mass murder had their choice between a fully-automatic and a semi-automatic, which do you think they’d pick? Most likely the fully-automatic. However, you almost never hear about gun-related homicides involving fully-automatic weapons. That’s because the tight restrictions we place upon fully-automatic weapons makes them nearly impossible to get — proving that gun regulations work.



6. Pretty much everyone supports expanding background checks to include all gun purchases: Around 90 percent of Americans support requiring a background check for all gun purchases. In a country that’s often as divided as ours, you do not see 90 percent of Americans agree on much. Yet, 9 in 10 Americans believe that every gun purchase should require a background check.

7. Gun regulations aren’t an infringement on the Second Amendment: Technically, the Second Amendment doesn’t specifically say “guns” — just “arms.” So, if you really wanted to go by the word-for-word text of the amendment, any kind of “arms” (aka weapons) should be allowed, right? Wouldn’t a “well-regulated” militia defending a state (at least in this modern day and age) need things like missiles, RPGs, tanks and other extremely dangerous “arms”? Yet, ordinary citizens can’t own these things and “bad guys” aren’t roaming the streets with them. We already heavily regulate the Second Amendment to keep specific types of “arms” from being owned by ordinary civilians — even guns (See #4 and #5) — because certain types of weapons should be regulated. 

8. A “bad guy with a gun” and a “good guy with a gun” look identical until bullets start flying: I live in Texas which is one of many states that allows its citizens to openly carry guns. That means it’s perfectly legal for someone to stroll down the street strapped with a fully-loaded AR-15. So, if I placed ten people side-by-side, all carrying a loaded AR-15, how would I spot a “bad guy” from a “good guy” before the “bad guy” opened fire? When someone can rationally answer this question for me, I’ll come back and delete it off this list.

9. The “good guy” stopping a “bad guy with a gun” is a myth: According to the FBI, between 2000-2013, only 3 percent of active shootings ended with a “good guy with a gun” stopping the “bad guy” — yet 20 percent were stopped by people who didn’t have a gun. Yeah, there’s really not a whole lot I need to add to that.

10. Australia passed strict guns laws in 1996 that also prove that strict regulations do work: Following the Port Arthur mass shooting 1996, Australia banned certain types of guns — and hasn’t had a single mass shooting in the 20 years since. However, in the 18 years before the ban, they had experienced 13 fatal mass shootings. Australia also saw a huge dip in gun-related suicides and homicides.

While I’m sure pro-gun fanatics who are stumbling across this article will dispute or twist these facts, their opinion doesn’t change reality. So, they can ignore these facts or try to manipulate each of them to claim that their pro-gun propaganda is right while everything listed here is wrong, I don’t care.

The bottom line is this: Everything listed here is factual and it debunks basically every key talking point gun fanatics typically use to defend their ignorance about guns, gun regulations and gun violence.




Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • jy kelly

    Gun control is political masturbation. It doesn’t accomplish anything other than making one feel good for a moment…
    ….
    Gun control is not about guns and never has been. It’s an attempt to concentrate power over the many into the hands of the few.

    There was plenty of violence before guns were invented. I’m not aware of any correlation between firearm development and any increase in violent crime, and if there was one you can be sure the liberal dominated media would make us well aware of it. Once Cain figured out how to kill Abel, man has had the means to kill, and all that was necessary was the will to do so; finding the means has long been the easy part.

    This is why civilian disarmament is such a fundamental part of liberalism. They want all forms of power under the control of a caring big brother. Wealth is another form of power, which they seek to give their big brother control of. Even control of speech and thought are fundamental to liberalism, in the form of what is called political correctness…
    http://www.guns.com/2013/06/27/cdc-releases-study-on-gun-violence-with-shocking-results/
    ……
    At re end of the day, who will remove those guns from my hands Mr. Clifton, you?…lol, sure… Will you hire thugs who will do your dirty work for you? Will they be armed? Will they be willing to lose their lives to disarm me? What will you have to pay them….See the problem is that I am an armed, free citizen and you are a disarmed liberal whimp. And whine and cry you can’t do anything to try and take my life or liberty because if you or you ilk try it I will use my guns to defend myself and my family…

    • The Klandidate

      Sure, go ahead and tell that to the parents of the children shredded in Newtown or the families in Orlando and any other mass shooting. This does not happen in any other other developed nation. Your brand of gibberish is just foolish. You really aren’t aware of an increase in violent crime and weapons? LMAO How old are you? Seriously. 12?

      • jy kelly

        Look at Mexico.. Guns are banned there. How does that work out for you left wing loons?
        …95% of all mass shootings happen in the “GUN FREE ZONES” you libs love so much.. Like a stupid sign will stop the bad guys… Liberalism really is a mental disease… Chicago has the type of control libs love. Perfect example..

      • The Klandidate

        Look at Japan. Check Australia, post ban. 33,000 gun deaths per year in the US and your only solution is more guns…..pardon me if nobody takes you seriously….LMAO

      • jy kelly

        33,000 gun deaths per year. 66% are suicide. that leaves 11,000 gun deaths per year, over half of those are committed by democrat voters in the inner cities where gun control is the norm.. that leaves about 5,000 gun deaths per year out of 310,000,000 people… Talk about scared….

      • The Klandidate

        Fact: More than 1,000,000 Americans have died by gun since Reagan took office. I know you don’t think there is a problem with that, but an overwhelming number of Americans do. You are clearly out of touch with reality, as are all repubes. And I’m glad that you have the courage to say loud and proud that you believe terrorists and those on no-fly lists should be able to buy a gun. I sure do hope you or one of your family members are next. Seriously. No offense, but that is what is will take for you to pull your head out of your fourth point of contact and realize that there is a serious problem with access to weapons with its only purpose being to shred people at a high rate of speed.

      • jy kelly

        More guns = less gun violence. It has been going down since 1992 even though 50% more gun are the public’s hands now. H HA you must hate that….. You must hate facts?.. Libs … So gun confiscation or just don’t make anymore?.. You have zero answers do you?

      • The Klandidate

        Have you checked the numbers on mass shootings during that time frame Cletus? Oops….You must hate facts….why do you leave those out? Doesn’t fit your narrative?

      • jy kelly

        Without citizen gun ownership their would be more violent
        felons on the street. The FBI has collected data that shows that
        armed citizens lawfully kill more violent felons per year than do
        the police. When one says they want more gun control
        they do not fully realize what they are saying. Gun control will
        not be a benefit to society but rather a downfall….
        .. But, being a victim is better for people like you..

      • noah vail

        talk about stupid ! ….

      • jy kelly

        LAME.. so no real answer.. I got it now…

      • noah vail

        the cleverness of your s/n doesn’t make your comments any brighter…you’re nothing but lube for butt bandits…Ms, KY Jelly

      • jy kelly

        OH, poor Noah.. Why is it that homosexual “males,” like you,always get that specific anagram?.. Seeing on the boyfriends nightstand , maybe?

      • jy kelly

        Facts are only stupid to the libs… It’s all about “feelings” with them…

      • noah vail

        Repukelican thinking = the way to save a drowning man is to find a “good guy” to put in more water….

      • The Klandidate

        BTW, Mexico is still not a developed nation. Derrrr…..

      • The Klandidate

        While you are here, please tell me one thing repubes have ever gotten right or done well when in charge. I really can’t find a record of success of ANY Repubelican POTUS in the last oh, lets say 50 years.

        If you are trying to sell me on Repubes, certainly you can point to a record of success somewhere….right?

      • jy kelly

        You people love being nice with other peoples money.. More “free stuff” paid for with other peoples money , who by the way, if they don’t pay are placed under arrest by people with guns.. See, you actually are pro gun and just don’t know it..

      • The Klandidate

        What are you babbling about now? You are all over the place with your talking points machine. LMAO

      • The Klandidate

        If 100% gun filled zones are so safe, why are war zones so dangerous? Everyone has a gun….what gives?

      • jy kelly

        Just think how bad the death rate would be in that war zone if only one side had guns…
        …. Like the gun free zones you dumb libs love? It’s all about feelings with the libs, zero logic. Just stuff that make you feel you are so much better then everyone else.. Bottom line, don’t like guns, don’t get one..

      • The Klandidate

        LLLMMMAAAAOOOOO….nice logic there, Cletus. You are too much man. If you are trying to making a “funny”, please mark it as *sarcasm* next time.

        Thanks. LMAO

      • jy kelly

        GUN FREE zones… Talk about stupid… Ban guns, that way nobody will get “shredded” by them .. Poor lib loons… We banned drugs 50 years ago and now nobody does drugs… YEP, you are a loon..

      • tangascootac

        Terrorism, such as we just suffered in Orlando, has been occurring worldwide, Klandidate.

      • The Klandidate

        And it occurs much more frequently here due to easy access to weapons….go figure

      • tangascootac

        It’s occurring here largely because the Marxist in the Oval Office wants it this way, and by opening wide our nation’s borders he’s achieving it; currently, we have little idea of what & who is entering this country, a situation precisely the opposite of that which is the president’s primary duty — safeguarding/protecting American citizens.

      • The Klandidate

        You need to up your meds pal. Marxist? LMAO You make zero sense. And while you are here, please tell me one thing the GOP has ever done well while in office. One thing. Repubes have no record of success in anything. Dumbya Bush sure failed at protecting Americans, am I right? Ronnie Raygun sure failed at that as well, right? Tell me, what do you and repubes do well? I’m curious.

      • tangascootac

        I’m not a Republican, but no supposed Chief Executive has ever purposefully exposed this nation & it’s citizenry to such treacherous subversion — i.e. virtual elimination of the boundaries of these United States of America.

      • The Klandidate

        Why did Reagan preside over the single most corrupt administration in history? How many of his people did time again? LMAO. And Dumbya Bush allowed us to get attacked on our own soil, then took us to war based on lies he cherry picked. And what have Repubes ever done to stop illegal immigration? Ever. name on thing. Oh but you think tRump is going to solve everything, right? OMFG. Are you really that effing stupid? Build a wall? HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Yeah right.

      • The Klandidate

        BTW, this response of yours cracks me up….HAHAHAHAHHA thanks for the laughs here….”Marxist”…..LMAO This is how you know someone is totally off their rocker and has been ingesting way too much right wing echo chamber garbage for their own good. You are not able to clearly.

        Garbage in, garbage out. (GIGO)

      • tangascootac

        Marxism & communism has saturated Barry Sotoreo’s life for years in the person of his grandfather and individuals such as Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, William Ayers & Bernadette Dohrn (the Weather Underground), Jeramiah Wright, and more.

      • The Klandidate

        This is exactly how I know you are crazy. And this is why you should never be allowed to own a weapon. You are not tethered to reality. Seek help. Your family is worried about you.

      • tangascootac

        You haven’t the faintest knowledge of how the persons I listed played such a iarge part in shaping Soetoro’s hatred of the US & capitalism.

    • The Klandidate

      BTW, why are you so scared to walk around without a gun? What makes repubes such devout cowards?

      • jy kelly

        Why do libs like to be the victim? Does it make you much more likable to other libs?… Better to be a victim than have someone not like you for being mean to them… LIBS..LOL….

      • The Klandidate

        I am no victim. Bank on that. I am no bed-wetting coward like repubes are. Why are you so terrified? Poor little fella LMAO

      • jy kelly

        LOL… Not a victim?.. What would you do if someone is shooting at you? Rush him? LOL… Scratch his eyes out? You people love to pretend you are so tough… You really don’t have any answers do you?
        …The fact is that guns present virtually zero risk to any particular individual. There is no “gun violence epidemic” in the US and claims that there is ignore facts and statistical reality.

        Whatever infinitesimal threat they do present can be mitigated by exercising a little freedom of choice and taking personal responsibility. There’s no need to reduce the freedoms of others….

      • The Klandidate

        What branch of service did you serve in? Do you get shot at a lot? I’m just curious. And where in the 2nd Amendment does it state that you can own a firearm for self defense?

        The reality is, right wingers have corrupted the intent of the 2nd Amendment. There is no doubt about that.

      • tangascootac

        “Where in the 2nd Amendment does it state that you can own a firearm for self defense?” For persons who possess a basic understanding of our Constitution, the location of the 2ndA provides that answer.

      • The Klandidate

        I’m still waiting for an answer. You didn’t provide one because the 2nd Amendment, in no way, give you the right to own a weapon of war for self defense. Repubes began the distortion of the 2nd in the 1970s and started confusing nitwits like you, as to the original intent. If you are a part of a “well regulated militia”, sure. But these days, we issue weapons when you are called upon to defend this nation. Right? In fact you are prohibited from bringing your own weapons on military installations. The 2nd was intended to prevent us from maintaining a large standing Army (now military) however, we spend more than the next NINE highest spending countries combined. Right?

        Anyway, I’m still waiting for specifics about where the 2nd supposedly allows you to own a weapon for self defense….please show me exactly where that is.

      • jy kelly

        WEAPON of WAR…lol… everything is a weapon of war to the left wing loons…. Another made up term… ASSAULT WEAPON..HAHA..

      • The Klandidate

        Still can’t come up with a response?

      • The Klandidate

        BTW, the gun industry coined the term “assault weapon”. HTH

      • tangascootac

        The 2nd Amendment is located within the Bill of Rights, which is the reason that I asked about “the location” of the 2nd A; the answer explains “where . . . it state(s) that you can own a firearm for self defense.”

      • The Klandidate

        Still waiting for the def of a “Well Regulated Militia”, since that is clearly what the 2nd Amendment is about.

      • tangascootac

        Incorrect; it’s “about” an individual freedom.

      • The Klandidate

        Bzzzzz,……wrong

      • tangascootac

        The Bill of Rights deals with individual rights, and if you possessed a moderate knowledge of our Constitution you’d realize this.

      • Dean Blanchard

        You just answered your question.
        Well regulated militia needs weapons of war DOH!!

      • The Klandidate

        What is your chain of command and how often to you have formations? Doh….

      • Dean Blanchard

        Were you sleeping in American History classes?
        I’ve read enough of this post to see that you’ve served this country, And THANK YOU for that.
        Back to history, what makes you think there will never be an AMERICAN REVOLUTION part II ??
        THAT is the instance where we will form a “militia”.
        If you don’t think that is possible, better stock up on the popcorn.
        Shits about to come to a head in this country soon.

      • The Klandidate

        Yeah sure….another Revolution…..good luck with that. Really, it’s time to step away from your right wing bubble for a while…..you are not tethered to reality.

      • tangascootac

        The 2nd A is placed within the Bill of Rights, and that alone provides your answer concerning the right “to own a weapon for self defense.” Additionally, the constitutions of the majority of states specify “in starse of self or state,” or words to that effect. You, Klandidate, have a great deal to learn about our nation’s firearms-related freedoms & rights.

      • The Klandidate

        No it doesn’t. HTH

      • tangascootac

        You persist in freely displaying what you don’t know about our Constitution, because the initial ten amendments address individual rights — rights of each & every individual citizen of The United States of America.

      • The Klandidate

        Nowhere in the 2nd does it say that a weapon is for personal self defense. How often does your militia have formations? What is your chain of command?

      • tangascootac

        Self defense is an individual freedom, fully understood by the architects of this nation as a profound & inalienable right not subject to the foibles of any central government.

      • The Klandidate

        BTW, i really don’t need to pretend I’m tough. I pretend nothing but unlike you, I am not a bed wetting coward who needs to hide behind a gun to feel strong.

      • jy kelly

        MORE gun control?…
        ..
        Yes, it’s just another weekend in Barack Obama’s hometown of Chicago. Is there any outrage from the left? Is anyone clamoring for more gun control – even though Chicago has some of the strictest gun control in the nation? Is the media blaming the NRA for this calamity? Is anyone trying to find out the motives of the shooters? Explain away their angst because they were conflicted about their sexual orientation or were mentally unstable? And where are the vigils being planned from Black Lives Matter? Must have missed that…Al Sharpton must be busy this weekend, figuring out his taxes.

        ABC7 reports, At least 18 people have been shot so far this weekend and six of those victims are dead…..

    • Karen Anderson

      You are an idiot

      • jy kelly

        Common liberal mentality: no concept of personal responsibility. It’s everyone’s fault except the guy who actually did it.

        Poor: Blame Capitalism
        Jobless: Nobody gave you a free education
        Arrested: You’re a victim of society / “Police State” / Racism..blah blah blah
        Drug Addict: Disease, not your fault.
        Got 6 kids with 5 different Dads and can’t feed them: Again, societies fault, pay me welfare!
        Mentally ill people shoot kids: Blame the NRA
        Pregnant and didn’t want a kid: Not your fault, get an abortion.
        Not making enough money: Not your fault you don’t have a better job, Government needs to raise minimum wage.

        Yeah, yeah, I know, I just insulted the 0.000001% of liberal 2nd Amendment supporters in America. For that I am sorry, but this accurately describes the vast majority of your party. You may be the exception, but then you have got to ask yourself why you’re even affiliated with them if this doesn’t describe you.

      • tangascootac

        The above two responses contain a number of highly accurate observations regarding the hollow facade which is present-day liberalism.

      • The Klandidate

        Racist much? And Stereotpye much? Is it hard to type while wearing that white robe and hood?

      • Karen Anderson

        You are just a white trash trailer park dweller. You have a gun FETISH and you’re sick.

      • jy kelly DEPLORABLE✓REDNECK✓

        Name-calling, Karen, is the domain of middle school level maturity….
        … NOW, you get me a sandwich and then go feed your cats.. I know you have about 30 of them…If you are agood wench, I’ll let you blo me later…

      • jy kelly

        So, no real answer?
        …Gun ownership is at an all time high while the FBI states that the crime rate is at an all time low. 300 million firearms in the U.S.A. We have a mental health crisis not a gun crisis. The U.S. is #3 in the world in gun deaths but if you remove the cities of Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans and LA from the list, we drop to # 47. Interesting is those cities have the strictest gun laws in the nation. Those cities have open street gang warfare and the police do nothing. We blame the bomber when a bomb goes off. We blame the drunk driver when he kills someone. We don’t blame the terrorists when they attack and kill. But we blame the gun when someone gets shot. John Lott has proven over and over with his research that more guns=less crime. We lack morals, we lack spirituality, we lack leadership in our politicians. We are a nation almost lost if we don’t clean house in 2016.

      • The Klandidate

        We have the highest rate of gun deaths BY FAR over every industrialized country. BY FAR. Are you really just going to ignore that we do in fact have cities in the United States? OMFG. Just because you were born in some small ass hick town doesn’t mean everyone else was. The reason nobody lives in the small ass hick town you are from is because nobody wants to. People leave and never go back.

        BTW, cars have other purposes. Guns have no other purpose than killing, and that is when they are operating perfectly with a sane and sober person pulling the trigger.

      • jy kelly

        LOL.. Everyone of the liberal talking points.. By the way I was born in Alameda, Ca. 6 miles from San Francisco.. Born and raised in the SAN FRANCISCO bay area.. WRONG again.. Moved from the SF bay area when I was 40 years old..
        .. Of course cherry picking the countries you want to use….LOON..

      • The Klandidate

        Not cherry picking. Every first world country has less gun violence per capita than the US. That is a fact.

      • Karen Anderson

        We have a gun crisis because people with mental health problems can buy guns. Domestic abusers can buy guns. Even people on the goddamn no-fly list can buy guns. You mare insane.

      • jy kelly

        Libs hate it when they are confronted by someone who is more informed on facts and figures surrounding one of their pet causes, especially when they are slapped in the face by their own omissions from studies they try to twist to fit their narrative!!!

      • The Klandidate

        LMAO…..what exactly do you “know” and what makes you believe that you are “informed” about anything? You ingest right wing garbage and believe it without ever questioning.

        You are a product of your inputs and you read garbage. Garbage In, Garbage Out. (GIGO)

      • jy kelly

        H HA, you and your ilk are losing the GUN control argument more every day.. TOO bad you will never win it. Not in the USA….merica… Have a grateful day loon..OUT…

      • The Klandidate

        Hopefully you and your family will be the next victims. I hope every day it comes for you and your family next so that you may some day feel some sympathy because you are incapable of empathy for anyone.

        BTW, you never answered the branch of service you are in there tough guy….why?

      • Karen Anderson

        You are not anyone who has facts or figures. You are an ignorant rednecked gun worshipper which is the bane of this country. There is nothing you can say that matters at all you NRA freak.

      • jy kelly DEPLORABLE✓REDNECK✓

        I do love all the facts that you have shown here today.. I’ve really received a huge education from you flapping your gums…

      • jy kelly

        With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had 3 of the worst 6 school shootings……

      • The Klandidate

        Lie. Do you believe every single right wing lie? OMFG you aren’t really this stupid are you? No wait, don’t answer that…..BBBWWWAAHHHAAHAAAA

      • Karen Anderson

        More guns for everyone!! After a mass shooting in Australia they banned most guns and some didn’t like it and some were forced. They haven’t had another mass shooting since. I’m good with that.

      • tangascootac

        Name-calling, Karen, is the domain of middle school level maturity.

      • The Klandidate

        Says the guy who regurgitates Lush Rimjob talking points and conspiracy theories….LMAO.

      • Karen Anderson

        It does not change the fact that your level of discourse is immature, misogynistic, and you are an idiot! Lol!!

      • tangascootac

        Evidently, Karen harbors an intense desire to solidify her propensity for
        childish names in the absence of fact.

      • Karen Anderson

        If you have a fact it would be one thing, but you don’t.

      • Karen Anderson

        Name calling and cursing are what intelligent people do when they have had enough of rampant stupidity, moron.

  • jy kelly

    The Left believes that the number of guns is at fault rather than social ills — because no person can be evil…..

    • The Klandidate

      You should learn how to read.

      • jy kelly

        More guns= less crime…
        …Using federal government data, University of Michigan and American Enterprise Institute economist Mark Perry last year measured the gun homicide rate against the number of guns per person from 1993-2013. As the number of guns per person rose from 0.94 to 1.45, the gun homicide rate fell by 49 percent, from 7 to 3.6 per 100,000 people.

        Also using federal government data, the Pew Research Center reported last year that non-fatal gun victimizations have fallen from 725.3 to 174.8 per 100,000 people from 1993-2014. So all gun-related crime is falling, not just gun homicides…. No logic libs are still scared…

      • The Klandidate

        More guns = more crime. That’s a fact. If your premise were true, we would be the safest, most crime free country on the planet. We are not. You are a loon. LMAO

      • jy kelly

        Russia has the type of gun control law Democrats in the United States have being pushing since Isla Vista.
        For example, automatic and semi-automatic firearms are banned in Russia, and to obtain any one of the guns that are still legal–a basic shotgun for instance–the buyer has to go through a background check that includes “criminal history, a full psychological evaluation and a medical exam.”
        In the world of Piers Morgan or Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), such background checks should be a great remedy for crime. Instead, they are just another part of a larger gun control scheme that keeps law abiding citizens from obtaining the weapons they need to defend their lives and the lives of their families.
        Approximately 300 million guns are in circulation in the United States versus fewer than 13 million in Russia, yet the homicide rate in Russia far exceeds the homicide rate in the United States.
        The U.S. has more guns and fewer homicides. Might there be a correlation?

      • The Klandidate

        LMAO…..you are just babbling here

      • jy kelly

        SO, you really don’t have any thing except that you don’t know what the difference is between an “assault weapon” (your term) and and other type of rifle…. AND, that you hate those mean gun thingys…

      • The Klandidate

        Please tell me, what branch of service did you serve in? I am retired Army and know all too well what weapons are, how quickly they can fire, be reloaded,etc and the silly word game you are trying to play. That is just a stupid argument the right wing bubble tells you to try. Grow up kid

      • jy kelly

        WOW, you are all over with the lib talking points here… #NOCLUE..

      • The Klandidate

        What branch of the service were you in? Simple question.

      • jy kelly

        You really are all over the place, aren’t you?

      • The Klandidate

        Answer the question.

      • jy kelly

        SCREW YOU..

      • The Klandidate

        No thanks, but I would like you to answer one simple question….so….?

      • tangascootac

        It appears as though The Klandidate has emptied his
        magazine (he might say ‘clip’); he’s exhausted his ammunition supply.

      • The Klandidate

        You obviously have no life and actually believe the garbage coming out of Rush Limbos pie hole. I feel sorry for know-nothings like you and your family that has to endure your mindless babbling.

      • tangascootac

        I’ve enjoyed quite a fine life, so feel sorrier for those with whom you come in contact.

      • The Klandidate

        Garbage in, garbage out. You are a product of right wing brainwashing. What is it like to be so easily led?

      • tangascootac

        A large number of us, Klandidate, are retired military, but we’re not attempting to inflict damage on the citizens of our nation by attacking a basic right.

      • The Klandidate

        Who said you had a “basic right” to own a weapon of war? That was clearly not the case until 2004 when repubes allowed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban to expire.

      • tangascootac

        The US Constitution “said” it, and to what “weapon of war” do you refer?

      • The Klandidate

        What do you intend on doing with your AR15? Or your Sig Sauer with your 100 round magazine which is legal thanks to repubes….? What would anyone want with a weapon like that, which only use is to kill people rapidly? Are you going to hunt with a gun like that? Or is that type of gun’s only use being to shoot up a school, club, movie theater, etc.? That is what they are being used for. Or maybe you just like stroking something like that to get your rocks off or something? Why do you feel the need to own something like that?

      • jy kelly

        HYPERBOLE ^^at its finest…

      • The Klandidate

        What do you do with your AR15? Why do you need to own this weapon?

      • tangascootac

        The Bill of Rights is exactly that, not a Bill of Needs.

      • The Klandidate

        The Bill of rights does not allow you the right to own this weapon or missile systems, RAIL guns, nukes, etc.

      • tangascootac

        You’re quite flummoxed . . .

      • The Klandidate

        No, I am not.

      • tangascootac

        The AR-15 & similar arms are fine defensive pieces, they’re fun to shoot whether informally or in numerous shooting-sport activities, hunting, etc. It’s a very versatile class of firearms, yet in no regard is this sort of rifle (an autoloader) a “weapon of war.”

      • The Klandidate

        They are designed to kill. That is all. They are for killing people very rapidly and they are obviously very good at it and have no place in a first world country. We do not live in a war zone. HTH

      • tangascootac

        The AR wasn’t “designed to kill;” that was the selective-fire M16 which was reengineered to produce a lawful, non-auto alternative. BTW, how much do you shoot and what calibers, types of guns, etc.?

      • The Klandidate

        After 20 + years in the Army and two deployments to Afghanistan and one to Iraq, I feel zero need to shoot anything. There is no need for them in a first world country. Period. There is no purpose in an M16 or AR15 outside of a war zone. They are deisgned only shoot people rapidly.

      • tangascootac

        That’s nice . . .

      • The Klandidate

        Yes it is.

      • The Klandidate

        Btw, all guns when functioning properly by trained personnel have one, and only one function. Kill. That is the ONLY purpose.

      • tangascootac

        You possess an extremely constricted understanding of the wide variety of firearm types and their applications.

      • The Klandidate

        That is about as far from the truth as you can get.

      • The Klandidate

        Anyway, please name all of the firearms out there NOT designed to kill. I’ll be waiting.

      • The Klandidate

        You are simply babbling here, yet again.

      • jy kelly

        Maybe we should just ban fists too…. I’ll bet you hate a ban on fists?
        ..The FBI’s Uniform Crime Report for 2014 shows that more than twice as many people are beaten to death by fists and feet each year than are shot to death with rifles of every kind…

        ….According to the FBI, the total number of persons murdered with a rifle in 2014 was approximately 251.
        ……..The number murdered with “hands, fists, feet, etc” was approximately 670. That means more than twice as many people were beat to death than were shot to death with a rifle…..LOON..

      • The Klandidate

        When have the fists of one person killed 49 people and wounded 53 in the matter of minutes? Please cite specific incidents this has happened. Until STFU, you silly little kid

      • jy kelly

        Just one more law.. Then one more, and one more after that… You people never ask for longer sentences, ever.. Just more laws.. Longer sentences are racist to you and your ilk..LOONS..

      • The Klandidate

        LMAO….you really can’t answer a simple question, can you? BBWWAAHAAAHAAAA Are you only a repube talking points machine?

      • jy kelly

        You really want to take away peoples rights to defend themselves because of a some gun deaths? Talk about babbling.. How many laws do you loons want…
        .. You people only run on feelings…No logic..NO SOLUTIONS…

      • The Klandidate

        The 2nd doesn’t provide you a right to defend yourself with a weapon. That is not its intent. That is why we have a police force, US Marshals, etc. That is why we spend more than the next 9 countries on our military, we also have the FBI, CIA, NSA, border patrol, etc. Please show me where the 2nd states it is for self defense.

        Or maybe we just shouldn’t have any laws, right? Is that what your are going to claim next? No laws ever work, so let’s just not have any? No speed limits in school zones, right? People speed, so let’s just do away with those.

        Anyway, tell me where the 2nd gives you the right to own a weapon of war for self defense. Or is it all “Arms” that I have a right to own? All weapons of war? Surely the founding fathers would want me to own missile defense systems, right? Maybe my own RAIL gun? If I am going to be called upon in defense of this nation while a Carrier Group is off the coast carpet bombing my town and firing missiles at my house, surely one or two guns won’t help…..

      • jy kelly

        BABBLING… AGAIN.. You don’t get to decide what the US Constitution means… H HA..Thank godness..T

      • The Klandidate

        Still waiting……show me where the 2nd mentions self defense.

      • tangascootac

        The precise location of the 2nd A (within the Constitution) provides the answer.

      • The Klandidate

        No, it does not. Still waiting…..

      • tangascootac

        The right of the individual to own a firearm “for self defense” is protected by the 2nd A.

      • tangascootac

        When an individual’s compelled to respond like this, he/she is stymied.

      • The Klandidate

        Yeah sure lady. A. I wasn’t talking to you. B. I’m trying to get a rational response from JY, who is clearly an unhinged, right wing whackadoo. C. When I want your opinion, I’ll give it you.

      • tangascootac

        The tenor of the above post indicates that the sender’s on the defensive and pretty insecure as well.

      • The Klandidate

        Since you are here, please define “Well regulated militia” for me. And then contrast that with “unregulated militia”. Or just well regulated vs unregulated and tell me what we have in the US.

      • jy kelly

        The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

        1709: “If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations.”

        1714: “The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world.”

        1812: “The equation of time … is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial.”

        1848: “A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor.”

        1862: “It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding.”

        1894: “The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.”

        The phrase “well-regulated” was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people’s arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

      • The Klandidate

        LMAO…..Same cut and paste, and same BS. None of that makes any sense when talking about a military unit. None.

      • jy kelly

        You asked and as usual with the libs they say,; that doesn’t matter… Ok got it now..

      • The Klandidate

        You cut and pasted the same thing right wing whackadoos always cut and paste, and nowhere in there an answer.

        Tell me the difference between “Well regulated” and “unregulated”.

      • tangascootac

        Well regulated, at the time our Constitution was constructed, didn’t mean additional laws.

      • The Klandidate

        LMAO…..you are lost….

      • jy kelly

        Establishing government oversight of the people’s arms was not only NOT the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

      • The Klandidate

        It was to provide for defense of this nation, and to quell rebellions, and to strengthen the Federal Government. Period. Read up on the Whisky Rebellion. That is one reason…..smh

      • jy kelly

        EXACTLY…

      • The Klandidate

        you just claimed the opposite…oops….HAHAHAHAHAHAH

        It does not “render the government powerless”. LMAO

      • jy kelly

        HOW many more laws do you want after these don’t work? What about the guns you don’t like now? Confiscation? What do we get to keep?

      • The Klandidate

        I’d say go ahead and own guns that the founding fathers owned. Muzzle loaders. But hey, that’s just me. That is what they were referring to when the 2nd was written. You keep nothing if you are not mentally stable, and if you are allowed to keep something, you must be insured and rechecked annually. We license many things and ensure they are functioning correctly. If they can harm someone else, they are insured. Right?

      • jy kelly
      • jy kelly

        INSURED? Like a car?

      • The Klandidate

        Well, a car actually has other uses than killing, but yes. If you own something which is only meant to kill, and that is by fully trained people when operating perfectly, it’s only function is to kill. I’d say insurance is a must

      • tangascootac

        The 2nd A safeguards the right of every citizen to keep & bear, independent of participation in a militia.

      • The Klandidate

        No it doesn’t, and never did. your interpretation is a fairly recent development. And there have always been restrictions on the types of weapons one can own, until right wing activist judges perverted the 2nd.

      • jy kelly

        When the Second Amendment was written, single-shot rifles were the most deadly and technologically advanced weapons….
        …..Then you agree that the authors of the amendment secured for posterity the right of the people to the deadliest and most technologically advanced weapons.” (“The amendment was meant to protect only the technology available at the time.” “Oh, like the 1st Amendment only protects newspapers printed with hand-set type?’).. No computer for you…

      • The Klandidate

        Sure….and you should now be able to own nukes right? Surface to Air Missiles? Where do you stop? LMAO

      • tangascootac

        “Well regulated” meant operational, supplied & equipped, armed, smoothy functioning, etc.

      • The Klandidate

        You left out “trained”. To be smoothly functioning or operational and acting as a unit, you need to be trained and monitored for function. Who is doing the training and ensuring that you are operational as a militia?

      • tangascootac

        Those individuals chosen (generally by the members themselves) to do so . . .

      • The Klandidate

        LMAO…..OK, so who is training you?

      • tangascootac

        I evidently overlooked this post last week, but I’ve experienced a very large amount of “training” over the past six decades.

      • The Klandidate

        Who is doing that training now? And the training of your neighbors? And the other gun owners in the US?

      • The Klandidate

        Maybe define “Militia” for me while we are at it, and the terms for which one is allowed or required to be in one. What age can you be in a Militia according to our founding fathers? Let’s see where you are here. Or do you think the founding fathers just randomly threw those words in the 2nd for no reason…..is that what you think? Those words have no bearing on the 2nd?

      • jy kelly

        The US federal code defines “all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age”
        to be part of the AMERICAN CITIZEN MILITIA”
        10 U.S. Code § 311 – Militia: composition and classes
        (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32,
        under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of
        intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female
        citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
        (b) The classes of the militia are—
        (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
        (2) the unorganized militia,
        which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the
        National Guard or the Naval Militia…. LOSE…

      • The Klandidate

        Ah, so you can’t be in a Militia unless you are between the ages of 17 and 45? Thanks. BTW, I know this….HAHAHAHAHA

        So, how often does your militia have formations? How often are you accounting for your weapons and ammunition? Who is checking on your mental stability?

      • jy kelly

        It didn’t say that did it? Babbling again..

      • jy kelly

        SERIOUSLY, how many more laws do you loons want after these don’t work.. When will there be enough for you and your ilk?
        .. What about the guns already out there? CONFISCATION?

      • The Klandidate

        We can start with laws and enforcement that has shown to work. We can start with the framework in place in Japan as far as I am concerned. They have virtually zero deaths by gun and very low crime rate. Start there. Or maybe we can follow Australia’s example? What do you think, it certainly made a difference there. right?

      • jy kelly

        NO, what you need to know is that even with mass confiscation of weapons, Australia could not end all mass shootings and the rate of gun homicides wasn’t actually affected….

        But here is something else worth mentioning: the 650,000 guns confiscated in Australia were between one-fifth and one-third of all guns in the country.

        Compare that to the United States and that would require confiscation of around 105 million firearms—something that would not only be unconstitutional but would likely become incredibly violent.

        In other words, mass confiscation in the United States, simply cannot happen. Not right now—possibly not ever.

      • The Klandidate

        We can start somewhere. Doing nothing has not helped and will not help. Period.

      • tangascootac

        “Starting somewhere” is worthless without good deal of assurance that it’ll have the intended effect; otherwise, it’s political jargon for deceiving the public.

      • The Klandidate

        Doing nothing and taking the advice from know-nothings and people who only want to profit off of the sale of guns is not an option. Period.

      • jy kelly

        START, there is that word again, from you… Just say the the word you have been avoiding…. CONFISCATION, we all know that’s what you loons want…

      • The Klandidate

        I am avoiding nothing and nothing is off the table.

      • tangascootac

        A militia, to which the architect’s of our Constitution referred, consisted of every able bodied male 17 years & older; it involved the whole of the male population, with the exception of a few public officials.

      • The Klandidate

        Who is “regulating” this militia that we currently have? Or is this “militia” now unregulated?

        You do know that the 2nd was intended to prevent us from spending on a large standing Army / Military, right? Are you aware that we spend more on our military than the next 9 countries combined? BTW, that figure does not include the FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, etc etc….. The purpose of the 2nd was for the defense of this nation, not self defense or hunting, or target practice.

      • tangascootac

        Thanks for your final sentence — I had no idea!

      • The Klandidate

        You are welcome.

      • jy kelly

        SO, no answer then?… Got it..

      • jy kelly

        Here’s some info from the FBI and census….blacks represent 12% of the population but commit approx 50% of violent gun crimes. If you eliminate major cities like Chicago, Washington, D.C., New York, Miami, Detroit,and LA…the gun crimes drop by more than half.

        The problem is not the people in Montana who own guns…it’s a metro and black problem. The demokkkcrat voters..
        Secondly, the metro crimes are mostly with stolen or illegal firearms. Guess that doesn’t fit the politics….

      • The Klandidate

        So now you are going full racist….go figure…that is the typical repube line anyway…am I right?

      • jy kelly

        Fact are only racist to a lib loon, like you.. …

      • tangascootac

        Your alleged “fact,” Klandidate, is not; the number of crimes involving firearms has been declining for more than two decades since the peak was reached in 1993.

      • The Klandidate

        33,000 gun deaths per year and still counting but you propose to do nothing….

      • jy kelly

        You really have ZERO solutions do you? Other than calling someone a racist?
        ……. ANYTHING? A gun ban? is that your solution? LOON.. Talking crap, as usual…
        66% are suicide…. that leaves 11,000 gun deaths.. over have of those 11,000 are inner city gang members, in democrat cities, killing the people in their community…. Where they have gun control…

      • The Klandidate

        I do have a solution, start with the legal framework that Japan has for the purchase and ownership of firearms. We can start there.

        What is your solution? More guns? A war zone in every town across America? Tell me, if all of these guns make us so safe, why are we the most dangerous developed nation to live in? Idiot….

      • jy kelly

        LOL.. Lets START is your comment? SO, there will never be enough laws for you and your ilk?.. I see now.. Japan ‘s laws are just a start? What next?
        ….But, but, but… just one more law! That one law will work! And when it doesn’t, just one more law after that. And when that one fails, one additional law will be our salvation… pinky swear! it be Fer Teh Chillrun!!!
        …. Never enough laws for you loons… How about putting anyone that uses a gun in a crime in jail for 25 years? NOPE, you bung holes want to just make it harder for people to defend themselves..

      • Karen Anderson

        if more guns made a safer why are we not the safest country on the freaking planet?

      • jy kelly

        It’s getting safer everyday..

      • Karen Anderson

        No it is not. There is no such thing as a ‘responsible’ gun owner and its proven every day when kids shoot themselves, shoot their parents, shoot their siblings. I am always glad when the gun owner gets shot…thinning of the herd.

      • Debbie Fox
    • Karen Anderson

      The left probably believes you’re a genius but we all know that’s a lie right? You wouldn’t know what a liberal believes if you were paid to.

      • jy kelly

        This is the most crystal clear example of the difference between the two camps. Gun rights folks use facts, logic, statistics, and common sense to make their arguments and draw their conclusions. Control freaks like Karen Anderson and Mother Jones don’t even care about the facts so long as it feels right — they are running solely on emotion and nothing else. That’s what makes them so dangerous: they have no moral compunction about running a complete lie so long as it supports their cause…..

      • The Klandidate

        What is your “logic” again? LMAO You literally have no clue what you are babbling about here.

      • jy kelly

        O, no answer then.. OK.. I win …

      • Karen Anderson

        Gun rights people are why a child is “accidentally” shot every week in this country sometimes more often. If more guns make you safer this should be the safest country in the world, but it’s not. Most of the rest of the world thinks people in this country with their gun fetish are nuts and I agree.

      • jy kelly DEPLORABLE✓REDNECK✓

        How many kids drown in swimming pools each week?….FAR more than get shot every week…. BUT, here you are… SO cute..

  • beetsville

    FACT: Allen Clifton does not know the difference between fully automatic and semi automatic.

  • beetsville

    jy kelly has been destroying gun control weirdos’ emotional arguments with pure logic.