10 Questions I Would Like Green Party Supporters and Jill Stein to Answer

I know this article will probably stir up a hornets’ nest of far-left absurdity toward my direction, but after what I’ve seen coming from these people over the last couple of weeks, I felt inclined to write it anyway.



I wouldn’t say I “hate” Green Party supporters, but I’ve quickly realized over the last year or so that most of them are really nothing more than the left’s version of the tea party. It’s not that I disagree with some of the things they say or support, it’s just that most of them seem so blindly tied to their ideological beliefs that they’re completely irrational. I can admire someone who’s passionate, but there’s a fine line between being passionately driven toward a belief or goal, and being so delusional that you no longer care about facts or reality.

That being said, I thought I’d ask these folks (and Dr. Jill Stein as well, if she happens to read this) ten questions to clarify a few things for me.

1. You all claim that Green Party candidate Ralph Nader didn’t help George W. Bush get elected in 2000. While most people focus on Florida, it was actually New Hampshire that gave Bush his victory. Here are the vote totals from New Hampshire in 2000:

  • Bush: 273,559
  • Gore: 266,348
  • Nader: 22,198

Gore lost by 7,211 votes.

Now, being that the state of New Hampshire has gone to the Democratic candidate every single presidential election since 1992 — except in 2000 (1992, 1996, 2004, 2008, 2012) — are you really trying to argue that it was just a coincidence that Gore was the one Democrat to lose the state in the last 24 years and Nader’s 22,198 votes had nothing to do with it? If Gore had won New Hampshire, it wouldn’t have mattered what happened in Florida — he’d have been elected president either way.

2. Considering the big knock against Gore by many Green Party supporters back in 2000 was that he wasn’t “liberal enough” (sound familiar?), yet he went on to become one of the leading advocates for combating climate change, wouldn’t it be safe to say that your party’s judgement of Gore was inaccurate? Or would you have been opposed to a president who spent eight years during the early 2000’s combating climate change vs. one who didn’t believe in it?

3. Hypothetical question: If I have three candidates – A, B, and C – running for office where the candidate and party who gets the most pie wins and controls everything, of the following three (based on those rules), which candidate/party would win and control everything based on these results?

  • Candidate A gets 50 percent of the pie.
  • Candidate B gets 30 percent of the pie.
  • Candidate C gets 20 percent of the pie.

If you answered “Candidate A” then you would be right.

So, in a government like ours where our Congress is ruled by the majority party, and our president is elected by a majority vote (mostly), how does it make sense to try to split the vote for the far more progressive party (just not progressive enough) simply because they don’t pass your “purity test”? Also, how is that not essentially helping elect candidates from the far more conservative party?

4. Do you realize if Jill Stein managed to win over every single Bernie Sanders supporter to vote for her during the general election, and even 30 percent of Hillary Clinton’s supporters, all that would happen is Donald Trump would win every single state and march toward one of the biggest landslide victories in presidential history? Even with all of Sanders’ support and a good chunk of Clinton’s, neither Stein nor Hillary Clinton would come close to matching Trump — because they would be splitting the same pool of voters. 

5. Let’s say for the sake of argument that Jill Stein does get elected. Who’s she going to work with to get anything passed? You do realize a large part of her platform is built upon bashing Democrats and Republicans as equals, right? So why would anyone want to do anything to work with her? Politics is as much about knowing how to govern and work with people as it is having good ideas. She has some ideas, but seemingly lacks all ability to be effective at doing anything but trying to ride the coattails of Bernie Sanders’ success, hoping to boost her own campaign.



6. Since many reading this might claim to be big-time Green Party supporters, without the help of Google, can you name five other Green Party candidates who are running for public office besides Stein?

7. Call you tell me, with specifics (not talking points), what qualifications Stein has to actually be president? It’s one thing to be an activist who says a lot of what you want to hear — but that doesn’t exactly make someone qualified to be president.

8. Stein recently said that she would like to have Edward Snowden as part of her cabinet if she were elected. Now, while I’m sure that’s what many of you all want to hear, doesn’t that seem very “Trump-like” in the pandering for a response category? Let me point out that, while many Green Party supporters seem to think Clinton should be in prison for her email server, it is indisputable that Snowden broke quite a few federal laws when he stole and released a whole lot of information that had nothing to do with the Constitutional rights of Americans.

In fact, here’s a list of some of the things he leaked that had nothing to do with our Constitution.

However, don’t you find it kind of ridiculous for her to say she would appoint him as a member of her cabinet — when she’s never even met him? 

9. The Green Party and Jill Stein spend a great deal of time bashing the Clintons, stating that they’re basically not any better than Republicans and not nearly “liberal enough.” So, tell me, are Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer not very liberal Supreme Court Justices? Have they been “shills for Wall Street and big money in politics”?

Well, those two Justices just happened to be appointed to the Supreme Court by none other than President Bill Clinton.

So, when you all are relentlessly bashing how “conservative” the Clintons are, just remember, the last time we had a Clinton in the White House he gave us two of our most liberal Supreme Court Justices who’ve defended women’s rights, gay rights, abortion, voting rights, same-sex marriage, health care and voted against Citizens United.

10. If Bernie Sanders’ ideas really aligned more with the Green Party than anything else, then why has he been an independent his entire career instead of a member of your party? Doesn’t that say something about your party that, even though you all claim he aligns perfectly with what you all believe, he chose to be an independent his entire career instead of joining up with you all?

Alright, well that’ll wrap things up.

Be sure to hit me up on Facebook or Twitter to let me know what you think.

Also be sure to check out the comments section to this article as I’m sure many of them are going to be very interesting.




Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • cruisersailor

    Every vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump to win.

    • Rishicash

      Do you not realize that this thinking is why we keep having candidates like Hillary who have to use the “fear vote” to get votes? You are not voting for a candidate, you are voting against another. This is trotted out every election and people like you keep falling for it and perpetuate it. You are being played…snap out of it!!!

      • ICBM904

        We have candidates like Hillary because she won the Democratic nomination, not because she used fear tactics. I didn’t vote for her, but I will in November because the Supreme Court nominations are critical to this country’s future, and her vetoes of the bills gutting Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, food stamps, and more are essential.
        You are playing yourself. Snap out of it.

      • Rishicash

        She didn’t win the election; it was stolen. If you don’t accept that it’s because you don’t want to. There is ample proof supported by many, many videoed and personal accounts. The Republicans have been doing it for years and now the Dems are. Do you think George W. Bush “won” the election too in Florida?

        There are very good reasons why Hillary has such low credibility with the American public. She and Trump have the lowest public approval rating in US political history and she could very well lose to him. The reality of which you deny yourself, is that Sanders is double digits ahead of Hillary and Trump and has no skeletons in his closet and if you think that Hillary doesn’t, then you are delusional. You should have a bumper sticker on your car that says: Hillary 2016. She wasn’t technically indicted.

      • Breezy

        No, she didn’t steal the election. Are you too stupid to realize that each state handles its own polls? Are you too stupid to realize that the DNC and the Clinton campaign are two separate entities? Are you too stupid to realize that democrats help democrats. Bernie was not and is not a democrat.

        Clinton has an unfavorable opinion because of the 25 year long smear campaign against her by the GOP and Trey Gowdy’s witch hunt against her in the Benghazi bullshit. They wasted 7 million dollars in taxpayer money investigating the investigation of the investigation and want to investigate the investigation of the investigation of the investigation because four years later, they STILL haven’t found one single shred of evidence to say she had anything to do with it.

        However, when the dust settled and the air cleared, there was one disturbing fact that somehow got overlooked: The REPUBLICAN congress not only denied President Obama’s request for more funding for embassies and consulates to add staffing given the uprising in the middle east, they CUT funding, which reduced the staff at the consulate building. Chris Steven’s family doesn’t blame Clinton, but the GOP for cutting funding. So … facts.

      • Rishicash

        If only you were that passionate for the truth! You post is so full of holes I wouldn’t even know where to start.

      • Breezy

        Are you really that stupid that you don’t know how polling actually works? The ballots are handled by an independent State polling agency in each individual state maybe you should look it up

      • What you call “voting out of fear,” others call “voting selflessly.” They’re the ones who understand that not voting for Clinton is detrimental to every minority group in this country. Anyone who ignores that fact because they’re privileged enough to be able to doesn’t actually have any concern for what happens here. Only with what happens in their heads, chock-full of false conviction.

      • Rishicash

        Huh? Is that bs really what you tell yourself? Btw, just because you believe something doesn’t make it a “fact”.

      • Breezy

        Take your own advice. The smears against Clinton have no basis in fact if you’d bother looking them up.

      • Rishicash

        Is that right? Watch this…I mean really watch the whole thing…then see if you can even get your fingers to type that again: http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/

      • Breezy

        Nope. Breitbart is like Fox News.

      • kimberper

        Wow, there it is!! A breitbart link! Proof that this idiot is a Trump troll.

      • Breezy

        The only vote I’m afraid of is the one cast for Trump. Hillary Clinton is the best candidate, hands down. No questions asked. The betting firms back her. Economists back her. Former presidents, admiral and generals back her, foreign leaders back her, our allies back her. Get over the lies, you silly toad.

      • Rishicash

        Watch this movie and then realize how ridiculous what you’ve written is:
        http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/

      • Breezy

        Nope. Breitbart is like Fox “News.” They wouldn’t know the truth if it kicked them in the crotch.

      • Daveman

        Wow. You REALLY like that Kool Aid huh? Are you one of Hitlery’s paid troll army? She does have one. The fact that you cannot view her objectively places you into the same category of those you profess to oppose.

      • Daveman

        Wow. You REALLY like that Kool Aid huh? Are you one of Hitlery’s paid troll army? She does have one. The fact that you cannot view her objectively places you into the same category of those you profess to oppose.

      • kimberper

        Trump Troll!!! Probably sitting in their Russian grandmother’s basement typing away!

      • Rishicash

        I’ve voted Democrat all of my life. I voted for Bernie and am voting for Jill. You’re not very good at this are you?!

  • worrierking

    We’ve been rolling a ball uphill since the sixties. Anyone who is pro environment, pro choice, pro labor and against constant war who decides to vote for the Green Party or Republican Party is choosing to let the ball roll back down the hill and start from the beginning. Sure Clinton isn’t the greatest but how far down that hill will she allow the ball to roll? Not as far as Trump that’s for sure. Every environmental and business regulation that exists today could just go away. Hopefully we’ll never live in an ideological pure nation. Like it or not, we have a two party system and no third party pure liberal will ever win the presidency. The system is rigged for sure. A pure right wing shift is a lot more possible that a complete swing to the left.

    • Shaunte Ohl

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    • Geri Irwin

      Hillary will help the ball roll down the hill! Look at her record, listen to what she says…She cannot be trusted at all!

    • Mike McDermott

      Frack! Frack! Frack! Senora! Frack that natural gas! Frack! Frack! Frack! Senora! Frack it all the time!

      If you support fracking and coal energy as Mrs. Clinton does then you aren’t taking the climate change debate seriously. If your energy plan doesn’t include a carbon tax, then again, you also aren’t grasping the seriousness of the issue at hand and choosing to play politics with it as Mrs. Clinton is.

  • ICBM904

    And the Green Party is only on the ballot in 22 states. Talk about wasted votes.

    • Breezy

      And in most polls, it just lists the Green Party as “other.” In 2016 she got a whopping 0.36% of the vote. Hmmmm. That’s really going to win an election.

      They didn’t mention that Mickey Mouse got 1.5% of the vote.

      • commcomm

        Hey Hillary troll, Jill gets 8% in polls that are not run by insiders. She would poll much higher except all the hillary fake progressives are working over time trying to scare people into voting for someone they hate. The hillary troll also use ridicule in addition to fear. Really vile stuff, you just can’t respect hillary and her trolls. Instead of working to gain respect they work to build fear and get votes out of fear. I loath that.

      • EJ

        Said the Jill troll…

    • commcomm

      Jill Stein is on the ballot in 46 states, and can be written in in 3 states. Stein will be available to 98% of American voters. Voting for a candidate who supports positions you abhor is what I call a wasted vote… it’s stupid, and just pure impotence.

  • Max

    Well Bernie Sanders were leading Drumpf in every poll most by double digits but the DNC had to rig the primary election in Hillary’s favor anyways despite her being neck-to-neck with Drumpf so essentially you DINO are the LAST people on Earth to accuse us REAL progressives of handing the election to that orange talking cheeto!

    • Breezy

      No, the election was not rigged. Are you too stupid to realize that
      each state handles its own polls? Are you too stupid to realize that the
      DNC and the Clinton campaign are two separate entities? Are you too
      stupid to realize that democrats help democrats. Bernie was not and is
      not a democrat.

      He lost by millions of votes. His followers were mostly new voters who liked the stodgy old man.

      Clinton has an unfavorable opinion because of the
      25 year long smear campaign against her by the GOP and Trey Gowdy’s
      witch hunt against her in the Benghazi bullshit. They wasted 7 million
      dollars in taxpayer money investigating the investigation of the
      investigation and want to investigate the investigation of the
      investigation of the investigation because four years later, they STILL
      haven’t found one single shred of evidence to say she had anything to do
      with it.

      However, when the dust settled and the air cleared,
      there was one disturbing fact that somehow got overlooked: The
      REPUBLICAN congress not only denied President Obama’s request for more
      funding for embassies and consulates to add staffing given the uprising
      in the middle east, they CUT funding, which reduced the staff at the
      consulate building. Chris Steven’s family doesn’t blame Clinton, but the
      GOP for cutting funding. So … facts.

      • unique_identifier

        LOL someone who claims the election wasn’t rigged is calling other people stupid?! How rich. Of course stooping to name calling makes one loose all credibility anyway. The rigging of the primary election is undeniable at this point. And we also had rampant voter fraud. Rigging of elections have exited has long as Democracy itself (at least as far back as Ancient Greece). This one was clearly rigged. Even if we didn’t have voter fraud (which we obviously did and we have pending lawsuits) the votes that HRC got were not fairly earned with the false narrative they spewed out to the media in collusion with the DNC. We have emails going back to at least a year before a vote was ever cast that show the DNC had already decided that HRC was their candidate even though they are supposed to be neutral during the primaries according to their own rules. Those undemocratic rules that include things like the super delegates that we had to follow. But the DNC itself didn’t even follow their own rules. HRC votes and nomination was fraudulently won. Anyone who gets behind HRC is getting behind a rigged election.

    • Peggy Scarborough

      Bernie was leading in those polls because they were being skewed b y Republicans so you wouldn’t support Hillary, they know she will win and is the only qualified candidate to be President and CIC, even Bernie was a drafdt dodger! The reason he polled higher was because Hillary took the high ground and did not Vet him and neither did the GOP, they were wanting him to win so they could destroy him in the General Election! If you think Bernie is clean of scandal you are delusional and his are all his own, not madeup lies against Hillary which were all proven False or using her husband against her, who was a great President!!

      • Toby

        Please enlighten me of Bernie’s scandals.

  • Brown_Dog

    My question back is “Are those who want to be responsible for Hillary winning the presidency willing to be responsible for what she does after she wins it?”

    If you are not willing to be held accountable, then stop trying to scare or guilt others into voting for someone who doesn’t want to be held accountable for voting for her either.

    Yeah–and that question goes out to to the Trump stumpers and Stein raisers too. Am feeling that this is not the best year for getting whatever we said that we wished for.

  • unique_identifier

    I reject establishment. The Democrats could of had something great with Sanders. But instead the DNC colluded with corporate media to undermine his campaign and rig the presidential primary. And now they want me to vote for them. No way. Almost everyone will see 4 choices on the ballot this November. Join me in rejecting the status quo and choose Stein or Johnson. No need to hear the Nader echo chamber thanks.

    • kimberper

      Good luck with that.

  • commcomm

    Wow, I am voting for Jill with pride! The author of this article is clueless.

    • Toby

      I am also finding it hard to vote for the machine choice, HRC, while on the board of directors for Walmart for 6 long years, kept quiet and did nothing while they gutted unions. I will vote for Jill, who is decidedly pro union.

  • Buddy

    I’m late to this article, but I appreciated the NH analysis as it pertained to Nader voters electing George W. Stein supporters will sometimes insist that in super BLUE States, there is no harm in voting for her, but a protest vote is still a protest vote. If you’re not voting for someone you really believe can handle the job, regardless of how closely their political opinions match yours, you might as well vote for someone who CAN do the job who doesn’t perfectly align with your politics. More on that later…

    Allen, I think you have a solid point about Stein pandering to whatever people want to hear. I wasn’t aware of the Snowden Cabinet position promise. Wow! Regardless of how you feel about the guy (hero, villain, a little of both?…) that’s a pretty dumb thing to say. Why would you want anyone on your team who can’t keep a confidence? In any business or organization, you need to have confidential information for a thousand good (non sinister) reasons. Why would you hire a leak? Snowden will probably go down in history as a whistle blower and that’s fine, but it’s the very definition of pandering to say you would hire him to be in your government. Were Stein to ever be elected, regardless of her politics, she would realize there is no value (at all) in such a move post election.

    Listen, I think Stein is probably a very good person, with good intentions, and some positions I happen to agree with, but that doesn’t make her a good choice for POTUS.

    It seems to me there are a lot of voters that candidates who run on HOPE can easily let down. I’m still amazed how many liberals still find President Obama a massive disappointment. There appears to be this all or nothing, Marvel superhero standard that permeates our simplistic national psyche. Nothing is seen with even a modicum of nuance anymore. I’m in my 50’s now and I have to say that in my lifetime, Barack Obama has been one of the most inspirational, cleanest, most earnest and kind politicians I’ve ever seen. If he is not good enough for the American Left, then we’d all better get used to a perpetual state of disappointment and disillusion.

    It feels like once we get our hopes up, we’re completely unforgiving when a leader doesn’t live up to them. Allen, like you, I was a Poly Sci major too, and IMO, Obama may very well be birdie for the course! Are there so many completely un-vetted voters in the system now that we’re still waiting for Captain America to show up? I’m having trouble understanding where “good enough” went in the expectation game and why liberals are destroying their own candidates with an unreasonable understanding of the game of politics.

    I’m a Bernie supporter who will vote for Clinton next month.

    Does Hillary thrill and inspire me like Bernie did, like Elizabeth Warren does, like Obama did?… No, of course not. Do I get really annoyed when Clinton panders to the Left, oscillates to the Right, and has a really weird relationship to secrecy and telling a bald faced truth? Of course I do. The number one thing I hated about Bill was that he lied while looking right into the camera about smoking pot and having sex with women other than his wife. He could have scored so many points by just saying, “Yeah, I tried pot in college. Hey, it was the 60’s right? It’s not my thing, but I tried it. Oh, I’d rather deal with my infidelity privately and I’m sorry that what I did has become a national distraction. It was not right.”

    But instead, Bill lied.

    And then he tripled and quadrupled down on those lies, so he lost our trust. If he lied about things that were comparatively easy to tell the truth about when cornered (at least “yeah, smoked pot in college,” is certainly an easy truth), what harder truths was he not telling?

    We want leaders who own their mistakes. At least once in awhile.

    Hillary finally did that in her first debate with Trump regarding the email server issue. How nice did that sound? Her bump in the polls post debate may even be the reward for simply showing remorse.

    I don’t vote for Hillary riding a wave of excitement and hope, but I do vote for her knowing that she is the superior choice of the only 2 that we have. Jill Stein is not.

    Jill Stein is the feel-good choice for folks who want to vote for an untested, completely unelectable ideal. I believe she represents a national problem: our uneasy relationship with disappointment. If we dig deeper into our national psyche, I think she represents some cultural denial too. Voting for Stein is a way of voting for a unicorn, that mythical, beautiful, untouchable, magic creature that doesn’t force us to face the gritty reality of politics.

    I’ve yet to find a way to couch this trend without sounding horribly paternalistic. I apologize for that. But I just don’t know any other way to say this to the many liberals who refuse to vote for the only candidate who can win who would actually support part of their values. Even if it’s only to appoint Supreme Court judges that will overturn Citizen’s United and tilt back to the middle, if not the more progressive Left.

    Disappointment is part of life.

    The older we grow, the more many of us realize that we have to take the good with the bad and that no one is perfect. As mature adults, we realize that there really are no unicorn candidates and even the rock stars will disappoint us from time to time. Disappointment and how we deal with it, can grow wisdom or denial and escapism. I’m concerned about the generation that follows mine and the fact that we, as their parents, over protected them from disappointment. We gave you trophies even when you lost because we remembered the broken hearts we had when we went home without them. I can see that was a mistake in hindsight. It was well intended, it was done with love, but it was probably a mistake not to let you experience more disappointment in your upbringing. I hope you will forgive us for that and much more as you age and take over the world we’ve left you.

    In the meantime, we need to make sure that Clinton becomes the next POTUS. Trust me, please. You will loathe your life and this country even more if your actions help Trump get elected. Please be smart. Bite the bullet, suck it up and make the difficult decision to support Clinton at least until she gets elected. AFTER she is POTUS, give her a few months to surprise you and be open enough to be surprised. She will likely be able to get a lot of things done that Sanders could not, because she knows the system. She’s a politician, she knows how to politic, she knows how to COMPROMISE.

    That was my greatest concern about Bernie.

    I loved Bernie’s integrity and sticking to his positions (over decades), but I was always concerned about his ability to compromise (the _essence_ of democracy) and make deals with the other side of the aisle. Clinton might actually get some things done that we need done. She might get us a better version of ObamaCare, a real plan to deal with student debt and lowering the cost of higher education, Supreme Court judges, relaxed drug laws, a better immigration policy that is both humane and economy boosting, and just a huge sigh of relief that the “Make America HATE Again” people and their leader may have to crawl back under the rock again.

    For that and many other reasons, I’m voting for Clinton and I hope more Bernie supporters will too.

  • The election will be decided in 6 -10 swing states. ALL Democrats and Progressives in the Republican South and across much of the plains could safely vote for Jill Stein and it would not make one jot of difference to the Trump V Hillary Battle. Hillary is not going to take Alabama or Texas. Similar could be said for Republicans in safe Democratic States, Trump is not going to take California or New York. Then there are the states with thumping majorities, why make them larger? The votes of many people really do not play a deciding role in this election and it is perfectly safe for them to vote as they please. Why be intimidated into voting for people you do not like or trust? Show displeasure.

    As for Green Party I think if they receive 5% they will also receive some Federal funding and will automatically be on the ballot next time round. The resources would help them build a grass roots party, one that does not take corporate donations. A viable third option may be beneficial given the choice dished out in this election.