10 Ways Conservatives Don’t Act Anything Like Christians

paul-ryan-churchThere’s not a day that goes by where I don’t see some conservative going on and on about how the Republican party is the party of “good Christian values” and everyone else (specifically liberals) is waging some kind of war on religion.

It’s just ludicrous.  The fact is most liberals couldn’t care less what religion anyone follows.  The problem is when some people, specifically conservatives, try to force that religion on others.

But here’s the thing, most of these conservatives aren’t really Christians.  Going to church doesn’t make someone a Christian.  Heck, following the Bible doesn’t even really make someone a Christian.  Christianity is based on a belief in Jesus Christ and one’s attempt to live their life based on the values for which he lived.

And I don’t see much of any of that within conservative ideology.  So I decided to make a list of 10 ways I don’t believe conservatives act anything like Christians.

1) Homosexuality: It’s amazing how many conservatives seem to base their devotion to their faith on how strong their opposition is to homosexuality.  But here’s a fun fact: Jesus Christ never once spoke out against homosexuality.

2) Helping the poor: I’m not quite sure how you call yourself a “Christian” while supporting a political party that vilifies poor people as lazy moochers seeking a handout.

3) They love greed: Isn’t the entire premise of trickle-down economics and unregulated capitalism based on greed?  They seem to have no problem chastising a poor family on welfare but they consider anyone “un-American” who dares to call a wealthy person a greedy bastard.  And for the record, Jesus Christ did speak out against greed.  In fact, he warned against it.

4) They’re full of hate: Have you ever been to a tea party rally?  I have.  I’ve never seen such vile hatred in my life.  Just look at the way these people talk about President Obama.  There’s a difference between opposing someone’s policies and just perpetuating blinding hate toward another human being.  I’ve often joked that they hate President Obama to such an extent that if he cured cancer they’d say he was waging a war on oncologists.

5) Racism: Am I saying all conservatives are racist?  Of course not.  But I don’t think there’s a coincidence that practically every state that’s currently “strongly Republican” also fought with the Confederacy, opposed desegregation and stood against the Civil Rights Act.  And I can’t imagine Jesus Christ endorsing racism.

6) Pro-life hypocrisy: These people will defend the “rights” of a fetus until they’re blue in the face.  Yet how many millions of children (you know, what fetuses turn into), and poor people in general, now have less to eat thanks to the Republican insistence on cutting funding for welfare programs – just before the holidays no less.  And I’m not sure how you’re “pro-life” while bragging about how many people your state executes every year.

7) Their obsession with guns: You know how “off” mentally you need to be to really believe Jesus Christ would support semi-automatic rifles?  But many of these people honestly believe that Jesus Christ would be standing right there next to them with a loaded AR-15 strapped to his back.  It’s asinine.

8) They’re intolerant: Conservatives like to perpetuate this idea that it’s actually liberals who are intolerant of other people.  You know when liberals get intolerant?  When we’re dealing with intolerant people.  Look, I don’t care if you oppose homosexuality, abortion or other religions – that’s your choice.  But don’t try to restrict the rights of others, or force your views on others, then whine because people eventually get tired of putting up with your crap.  Real Christianity preaches acceptance and tolerance of others.  That we’re all humans.  That we should treat each other with respect and kindness.  You know the whole “love thy neighbor” thing.

9) They’re paranoid and afraid:  As Christians, aren’t these people supposed to have faith?  Didn’t Jesus preach positivity and hope?  Then what the hell are so many of them afraid of?  These people live in a perpetual state of fear and paranoia.  They fear brown people, other religions, the government, liberals, homosexuals – pretty much anything that’s not a heterosexual, white conservative Christian.  I’m not quite sure how someone can say they have “faith in God,” while being paranoid and afraid of damn near everything.

10) They base their faith on church attendance: I love these “Christians” who seem to think church attendance makes them a better Christian.  I used to work as a server across the highway from two of the biggest mega churches in my city.  Can you guess which was the least desired, and worst, shift of the week to work?  Sunday morning.  The “church crowd.”  That was the shift where people were the least patient, rudest, cheapest and complained the most.  In my 8+ years in the service industry I lost count of how many times I had notes left on the table that said things like:

  • I gave your tip to Jesus.
  • I tip Jesus 10%, why do you deserve more?
  • Full pamphlets telling me why I’m going to hell.
  • That I should have been at church instead of working.

This is the thing about church – it’s worthless if you walk out of it acting like a prick.  You can go to church 7 days a week, but your actions outside of church are what matter most.  And that’s where most of these “church attendance” conservative Christians fail miserably.  They essentially go to church because they’re told they’re supposed to, and to try to justify to themselves that they’re “good people.”  I’ve met plenty of terrible human beings who went to church multiple times every single week.  If you walk out of church full of hate and judgement, whatever they’re preaching inside that building sure as hell isn’t Christianity.

I could probably keep going but this has been long enough, so I’ll cut if off there.  Hit me up on Twitter and let me know what you think.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Steve Temke

    I think a lot of liberals looked at the deeply religious, not just Christians, the way I used to. The whole idea was kind of quaint, an interesting tidbit about them, but harmless, really, pretty much insignificant. It didn’t really affect me, so why should I spend any effort concerning myself with it? But Republicans gave voice and power to these people and Republicans need to take that power away or they will forever be buried under the sanctimonious ideas of these fringe folks.

    • A lot of liberals, indeed most of the left, ARE Christians.

      • Julio

        Show me some evidence. You sound like a Pharisee.

      • Ellen H.

        Here’s an example of you judging.

      • theseusluther

        Judging a self proclaimed Christian is OK and a Christians job as per the bible. Learn how the bible specifies judgment and its correct and incorrect uses

      • Ellen H.

        Did you read the entire exchange? If you did, you would realize how unneeded your comment is.

      • Larry Berry

        Don’t judge others, be tolerant of even those you disagree with.

      • AuntInAZ

        Here’s one. I am a Christian, and I lean left. Show me some evidence that YOU are a real Christian.

      • I’m a Christian, as are most of my family.

      • A real Christian is known by their actions, not by their own proclamation.

      • Howard Sands

        I take offense at all this talk about real Christians.
        I’m not Christian. I’m quite proud of what I am, and Christians don’t have a Monopoly on being a good person. They just think they do.

      • I don’t actually consider my self a Christian either and I certainly wouldn’t judge you as I dont give a rats ass what your belief system is. Frankly, it’s none of my business. Having been emersed in fundamentalist christanity the first half of my life, I know how they think and judge each other as to who is and who isn’t a good Christian.

      • theseusluther

        and it is a Christians job to judge another Christian. It is not a Christians job to judge non believers. That is Gods job. However it IS their job to provide the information and point out sin. if the person refuses to accept it the Christian is to let it be

      • theseusluther

        wahhhh. I take offense. I don’t care what you get offended by. Quit being such a wimp and expect everyone to not offend you

      • LLCisyouandme

        Everyone is known by their actions. Their proclamations just give an indication of whether they’re hypocrites or not.

      • donna

        I’m a “liberal” & I am a Christian!

      • theseusluther

        incorrect. Supporting homosexuality is not a Christian attribute. Supporting the Killing of an unborn baby is NOT Christian. try again

      • Ellen H.

        However, in Hosea and Psalm 137 dashing infants to the ground or their heads against rocks are fine as long as you’re not Hebrew.

      • Augure3VI

        Being anti-gay is not a Christian attribute. Attacking women for a very personal decision or abortion doctors and advocating for their imprisonment or death is not a Christian attribute.

      • Alex Paylor

        Or blaming a rape victim for the assault. “Look at the way she is dressed, it is her fault, she was asking for it.” How often do you hear things like that from the holier than thou crowd.? Just today I read about a church whose pastor wants to publish the names of two girls who were sexually assaulted by an assistant. H

  • 13 of Me

    Aren’t Christians pre-forgiven so they do anything they want and still be guaranteed a golden seat next to God just for *claiming* they believe?

    • AJ

      Actually that isn’t true. In the book of James it mentions that faith without good works isn’t any good.

      • Larry Berry

        True but many skip that part and believe that simply saying “I am Christian” is all it takes to get into heaven.

      • AuntInAZ

        And some are going to get a real shock when they try to actually get into Heaven, St Peter will be kicking their butts right out the Pearly Gates.

      • Julio

        Along with Pharisee left wing Christians who think the only way to heaven is voting democrat.

      • AuntInAZ

        By using the term ‘Pharisee’ I’m assuming this is the definition you are going for: ( lowercase ) a sanctimonious, self-righteous, or hypocritical person.

        Really, you are describing yourself Julio. And this is an example of you generalizing again, while you accuse others of doing exactly that.

        I think they way to get into heaven is to behave as a decent human being, and treat others properly, not vote for any particular group every time. God doesn’t care what political party I vote for.

      • buricco

        The religious right are the Pharisees of today.

      • Jen Adamo

        Actually they think all they have to do is say “sorry” and all is forgiven. So i guess that means they can get away with murder as long as they ask forgiveness.

      • buricco

        The good works are the evidence that the faith is in fact real, yes. Even the famous “not of works lest any should boast” is followed by such a comment, as I translate Ephesians 2.8-10: “For by grace you have been kept safe through faith, and this not from yourselves—it is a gift of God—not from anything you may have done, lest any find cause to boast; for we are founded as his work in Christ Jesus, to good works, which God has prepared that we may walk in them.” (emphasis mine.)

  • Deacon Dale

    Real Christians or Jews or Muslims etc. do not act the way you describe – they live out their faith doing the correct things – what you are seeing are those who “think” they are Christian etc. It takes more than sitting in a pew once a week to make a real Christian.

    • Mark Able Jones

      Those people don’t exist.

      • theseusluther

        right, because you say so

    • Christopher Li-Reid

      HAHAHAHA – this is exactly the arrogant crap they’re taking about

      “most christians do not act the way you described”

      yeah actually they do – just some are bigger assholes than others.

      • Julio

        It takes one to know one.

      • Anonymous

        Wow. How old are you, Julio? Four? Pre-K? What an immature comment.

      • kitty_superslip

        Really? Could your response be more juvenile? Why dont you wait to reply until youve thought of something intelligent to say instead of throwing out one liners Id expect to hear from an elementary school kid?

      • Jen Adamo

        He’s a troll! It’s what they do.
        Please, everyone… Stop responding to JuvenileJulio!
        DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!!!

      • theseusluther

        if you weren’t so full of hate you would see that you are the asshole and you would also see you don’t know squat about what you speak.

    • buricco

      True, but many people who claim their name – perhaps even most – *are* like that.

  • BONITA

    YES. The church goers that would come to the restaurant and leave crappy tips. No one wanted to wait on those idiots.We would all dread it. They were so demanding, too.

    • Julio

      That was probably I bunch of lies on the part of the author. Anyone embracing left wing politics like this author does is know to lie about a lot of stuff. The guy probably made the whole story up.

      • AuntInAZ

        Uh, no. As a server I got booklets just like he is referring to; with titles like ‘A Tip For You’, or ‘I Gave Your Tip to Jesus’ and other such nonsense. If you don’t want to tip, just don’t. Don’t insult hard working people with your nonsense, and don’t accuse people who tell the truth of making the whole story up.

      • Julio

        so one person did that and you think all conservatives do that?? That’s generalizing ya think?

      • AuntInAZ

        Well Julio, based on your responses throughout these comments, you should know all about generalization since you do it so much yourself. I was merely stating my own experience, which in combination with those of other people is clearly not a small sample.

      • Howard Sands

        Most conservatives do much worse.

      • theseusluther

        proof……..please….but you cant. its simply opinion

      • When I was growing up, the tips that my Mom got were what bought our milk and other food.

      • theseusluther

        Funny. I live in a VERY Church filled town and very few have ever had that happen to them. I did a study for a religious studies class I took in college. You want facts, here you go.
        For MOST, Sunday was their BEST tip day. In fact many college students wanted to work Sunday because of this. Of the waiters that I spoke to that didn’t get tips, most had bad attitudes to begin with. That TRANSLATES to poor tips VERY frequently. The other commonality, the majority of the pamphlets left as tips came from Black Church members.
        The person who wrote this story knows NOTHING of the church and its very obvious. Shamefully obvious.

      • AuntInAZ

        Really? Because most of the booklets I got came from WHITE church members. As far as the best tips on Sunday and the bad attitude, and the ‘very few’ having had that happen, I think you need a larger sample next time.

      • dblhelixman

        How sad – to lecture on making generalizations then wholesale judge a race of people based on the color of their skin. Did you count the pamphlets left as tips to arrive at your “facts?” My experience is diametrically opposed to yours. I know first hand about the restaurant end, having owned a successful 175 seat restaurant and wine bar for 15 years. As far as tip days (we had a staff of 35), we were in a high concentration of restaurants whose owners discussed business with each other. Saturday nights were always the best shift of the week with the exception of Mother’s Day and Valentine’s day.

        On Sundays we had a large post church black following and the prople could not have been lovelier – for years. One Sunday after brunch a very nice lady pulled me aside and asked if I had noticed we had a large following and of course I said yes. She asked me if I knew why and I said I hoped beause the people knew we appreciated their patronage and we exceeded their expectations. She pulled out a Sunday program from her church and on the back was a little ad – which we had not placed – for no reason other than we did not generally advertise to clubs, churches, organizations for purely practical reasons of reaching the most people with our advertising dollars and not being perceived as preferring one group over another as we could not afford to advertise in every club, civic organization or religious bulletin. The church members themselves had requested that our establishment be listed as a place that was friendly that treated people well. I was shocked and saddened that any group of people would have to consider basic human decency as a bar for service. To me that is a given and on a few occasions during those 15 years I ejected people from the restaurant for using racial, ethnic and other slurs such as the “n” word.

        Asking the woman if she and her fellow parishoners were not treated with respect everywhere in the 21st century she said no – they were made to wait as white people were seated ahead of them (without reservations), they were seated in areas of other restaurants that were near the kitchen or the bathrooms when the restaurant was empty, etc. This lady was a lovely, regular customer as were here fellow parishoners, and I had no reason to disbelieve her. She was very sincere, without a hint of anger or embellishment. It saddened me because I thought that was a pretty low bar – to be doing a good job just by treating people who were paying my staff and my partner and I with basic human respect. I knew my customers and was accessible to them regardless of race, sex, ethinicty, religion, orientation, etc., and our staff was very like minded and did not treat anyone differently based on any of the above things. One such staff member who did was discharged on the spot as I witnessed a very ugly racial slur made against a customer. She was in a minority of 1 and the entire staff had had it with her condemnation of any group that was not like her.

        I feel sorry for you that you that that was your experience. Too bad that we are no longer operating that business and have another food service concern (food trucks) otherwise I would invite you to work the door with me on Sunday and would pay you, pay for transporation and accommodations so you could see that in a large urban center my experience is entirely different than yours. To this day our patrons come in all different colors, origins, faiths (sometimes a Christian is in line with a Jew and a Buddhist and they are all talking while they wait for their orders), orientations, etc., and we are very popular in our city, and have been featured on the Food Network and the Cooking Channel many times. We are well known and well liked and we are a gay couple of 31 years. I don’t try to “convert” my customers to anything and if they ask me if I am gay I tell the truth and can honestly say have never had a negative reaction.

        One gentleman who was very conservative pulled me aside on a busy Saturday night and apologized. It was odd to me because he and his wife were some of our best customers and we regularly talked about everything and had an amiable relationship. He had not realized my partner and I had a personal relationship as well as a business relationship and had no idea we were gay. He explained that he’d had a pre-conceived notion about gay people and in getting to know us, and seeing that we were decent guys, cared about our customers, the world in which we live, etc., had he known we were gay first he would never have patronized our establishment. He was embarrassed but I felt honored that a person was willing to be vulnerable enough to admit that like the rest of us, he had his prejudices. It made me respect him more. There was nothing to be gained for him yet he took a risk of confrontation and I felt nothing but respect for him for his honesty. I still count Leo and his wife among friends and they could not have been lovelier or more supportive. A door opened. We both realized that we basically wanted the same things – a stable home, someone to love who loved us back, decent education for children, and that the government stay out of our personal business.

        When a religious sect lobbies the government to prevent two consenting adults who have paid millions in taxes throughout their lifetime (or have paid nothing; it does not matter), live in a committed relationship and that sect, or any group, wheter it be evangelists, the KKK, whoever, tries to force us to live by their standards when we are harming no one and our tax dollars have gone to help educate their children, provide better family plan insurance than we could get as individuals, etc., that is where I draw the line and as much as I do not and would not support legislation that disallowed the practice of a religion in which I did not believe. I also expect the same courtesy in return. The freedom to worship any God or no God is one of our inalienable rights. The freedom to love another adult in no way harms anyone else’s, whether it is a man and a woman, two men, two women, etc. And I consider pedophilia and rape two of the most vile and egregious crimes, for the record. The newly elected administration has cabinet level members who have made public statements of intent to criminalize what we do in our own homes and guess what – they are not Jews, or Muslims, or Buddhists: they identify as Christians. I have no problem with someone not wanting to associate with me although it saddens me and sometimes angers me, but when someone etches or paints swastikas, writes speech like “die faggots,” or “die Jews” or “cotton pickers go home” that is a direct threat to me and other marginalizeds groups, and this WILL negatiely affect our quality of life. Therein lies the rub – that some people who claim to be Christians, can be intolerant to the point of demanding that their way of life is the ONLY way and lobby for the oppression of others.

        This is ostensibly why our nation was founded as a constitutional republic and not a true democracy – so that the tyranny of the majority would have greater difficulty in oppressing minorities and other marginalized groups (and some say to protect slave owners which is also plausible but tragic). It’s sadly ironic that what Christian settlers did to native Americans was and is deplorable, immoral, unetihcal, a crime against humanity but it is conveniently not discussed. It is the practice of intolerance and the demand to control others that is what frosts us – not the practice of Christianity. The APA has already weighed in that homosexuality is not a psychopathology and that conversion therapy is harmful and ineffective yet we have a vice president elect who wants to legislate conversion therapy into law based upon in his religions convictions. As some others have said, my observation is the more “holier than thou” someone is, often the LESS Christ like they are in loving their neighbors, not judging others, etc. Although I am not a Christian some of Christianities tenets are beautiful – to love each other, to help the needy, to not judge others, etc. I only wish there was an equally vocal group of Christians speaking up against the advocacy of hatred, to let the rest of us know that the group advocating that we (gays, Jews, African Americans or people of color) “die” or “go home” do not represent the true teachings and practices of their Lord and that they are equally disturbed by the hate speech of those who identify as practicing the same faith. Sorry for the length of this. It is intended as sincere and a bridge not a wall. It is also not specifically addressed to you but to the few people who have posted who believe they know what is “right” and it is their duty to impose their will upon us all in the pretense of “saving” us. A relationship with the Divine is not something that can be institutionalized. Didn’t Jesus implore his followers to “come out of the churches,” according to the Bible?

      • Eruanion Nolaquen

        You never worked as a server, did you? I did for @ 15 years, and church people are some of the biggest hypocrites and worst tippers. They look down on you for working on Sunday, but they all go out after church on Sunday, so if I didn’t work, where could they go? They would come in praising Jesus, and acting all holier than thou, but when it came time to tip, many of them would leave $1, or less (We had a group that regularly came in with 10-30 people and you might get $5 off the entire table)
        The “good tippers” were generally the more liberal churches (one pastor would walk around and talk to his congregation, and if he saw bad tips, he’d do a sermon on kindness and giving with specific examples)
        After all that time working as a server, I would rather wait on the bar crowd than the church crowd. At least with the bar crowd, if it looked like what they wanted, and it came out pretty quick, they’d be thankful AND just drop some money on the table.

      • military wife and mom

        When I was young, I worked as a server and never saw what you are stating. It is an individual thing. It has nothing to do with religion or race on whether a person tips or not. SHAME ON YOU!!

      • Eruanion Nolaquen

        You were one of the fortunate ones then. I merely spoke about my experience. I also never said “all” , in fact, i mentioned that a small minority were good tippers. Yes, what I said is a generalization, but, many more people seem to have had similar experiences to mine, than appear to have yours or theseus’.

      • theseusluther

        I did as well and NEVER ONCE had that experience. Funny how that works. Oh, I was not part of the church then either. So I was an outsider and a liberal….hummm

      • AuntInAZ

        You never had that experience, so that means only bad attitude servers have? Only ‘Black’ church members leave booklets, and it’s happened to only a ‘very few’ people. Talk about generalizations…

      • Judy Rae Jackson

        You can ask just about EVERY person who has worked as a server & get the same stories. NO ONE wanted to serve church people. They were demanding, had the RUDEST kids ever & made huge messes. They left tracts instead of a tip & one woman even had the gall to give me crap about working on the “Lord’s Day.” I KNEW I wasn’t getting a tip because her wimpy husband just sat there while their kids ran wild & she ran her big mouth so I very calmly asked her, “WHO would be feeding your kids if people like me weren’t working on Sunday?”. THAT shut her up & when the family left, the people who had overheard gave me a round of applause.

      • wendy

        Did you by chance do something to their food? I would’ve…Assholes…never get a server pissed…lol

      • Judy Rae Jackson

        No, I didn’t do anything to their food because my parents raised me right. It was tempting however. I did feel kind of sorry for her kids because kids like that ALWAYS end up having a hard time in the real world because they weren’t raised properly.

      • Wendy Goff-Hawkes

        I hear ya 🙂

      • theseusluther

        see, a study just released yesterday shows that coddled children, as liberals tend to do, are worse off than children not coddled.
        That said, I don’t know where you people lived but I have lived in SEVERAL parts of the US and I NEVER experienced what you claim to have experienced as a server. NEVER NOT ONCE.

      • Judy Jackson

        I have lived in Texas since 1971. Texas is religious nut central. Spoiled, whiney kids are EVERYWHERE down here & the VAST MAJORITY of them are being raised by CONSERVATIVES. Texas is not a bastion of liberalism. Try again AND post a link to the survey.

      • wendy

        So r u denying this country is not based on greed? Do you live in the US?

      • theseusluther

        Greed is bad. Profit and or living comfortably is NOT bad nor is it greed. learn the difference

      • wendy

        well aware if the difference. There r several wealthy people in my life. Some are living beautifully while workung hard to do so. Others i know greedy f**ks. They never have enough even though they have more money then the average person knows what to do with.
        I truly believe greed is an issue when $$ comes before anything else in life. This country is being infected with the need for greed.

      • wendy

        Not to mention, opinions cannot be considered lies. It is the authors perception. Claiming Britney Spears doesn’t lip sync; now that would be considered a lie..lol

      • DavidD

        Project much.Don’t assume the tactics you use are universal.

      • Kenneth C. Fingeret

        Hello Julio, Isn’t there a schoolyard where you belong or is it the winery/whinery with your brother E.?

    • military wife and mom

      What a SAD generalization of people. That is like saying all blacks are thieves and all women are pigs. We are Christians and most of my family is and we tip “Very well”. Shame on you for generalizing like that!!!

      • Augure3VI

        This is in reference to Conservatives who call themselves “Christians” while doing things that most would not consider to be Christ like.

      • Art Jackson

        Give the shame on you for generalizing comments a rest. When people talk about their personal experience, it’s hardly making a generalization, yet I have seen you post this after only such comments. and yes, I am ex military.

  • The only point in their calling themselves Christians is to distinguish themselves from Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists. Christianity is where the money is at. I wonder if it is some unconscious memory of when the Roman Catholic Church ruled the world? Then, maybe it’s just a fact of life, the churches, the white ones anyway, got the bread. No pun intended, if you can see one.

    • AuntInAZ

      To be perfectly honest, many of these people who make the most noise about being ‘Christians’ don’t consider Catholics and a few other denominations to be ‘real’ Christians. Only those of their own particular denomination are the real Christians.

      • Judy Rae Jackson

        My husband’s family members belong to interdenominational or nondenominational churches. Apparently those churches take a bit of this, a dab of that & throw it in a pot. The end result is a mishmosh of idiocy. I was raised in the United Methodist Church & the UMC tends to follow the traditional church calendar. I grew up learning about Advent, Christmas, Epiphany, Pentecost & all of the church calendar events. NONE of my in-laws knew what Advent was when I gave their kids Advent calendars one year.

  • Patti Cake

    You hit the nail right on the head, couldn’t have said it better if I tryed lol

  • Dennis

    The person writing this certainly has an agenda, what a shame! Put God first, not the world!

    • Sue Roediger

      His observations are accurate…if “Christians” truly put God first — they would not do the things they do = as outlined in the post.

      • Julio

        Do the things they do? So one has to agree with the left in order to be a Christian? Sue you are one arrogant human being.

      • Sue Roediger

        When I said “do the things they do” I meant things like ostentatiously wear crosses or other symbols of their “faith” while yelling at their kids, cutting people off in traffic, swearing and cursing, saying people are poor because they are lazy — things like that.
        I have some family members who are that kind of Christian. They really think they are better that others because they are “saved” they don’t hesitate to let people how they should be living”.
        I have other family and friends who strive to be more like what we think Christ must have been like. I go to a church that counsels us to “look for God’s presence in others”. — all others. It is hard to do.
        Today’s airways are filled with the kind of people who call themselves Christian but have no idea of what it means to be Christ-like.
        Do I think I am better? No I am a work in progress.

      • Julio

        The way you are backstabbing it sounds like you yourself think you are better than those you are throwing under the bus. It doesn’t sound like you understand what being a Christian means either.

      • Sue Roediger

        Who am I throwing under the bus? I don’t think I am backstabbing – I am not sure what you mean by that. I really do try to be accepting and tolerant of others. To but seriously …. Cross-wearing folks who clutch their bibles while talking about how we need to end welfare and food stamps then sit in church and sing about Jesus feeding the multitude. One woman actually told me that the part of the bible that talks about feeding the poor only means “other Christians or members of your same church”.
        What is YOUR definition of “what it means to be a Christian” ?

      • Julio

        Everyone has their own personality. It’s not our job to control other people and how they think. You are totally mocking them and calling them out for not being perfect. If you’re saying someone is not acting like a Christian. What are you trying to do? Reject science. Some are more informed about the Bible than others. God created everyone differently. You cannot say there is only a certain way one needs to act to act like a Christian.

      • Sue Roediger

        where do you get that I reject science?

      • Julio

        Above your head and below your feet isn’t it??

      • Sue Roediger

        construct a sentence. convey a whole though.
        I do NOT reject science. I am skeptical of the bible. I think you just like to see your words in type.

      • Ellen H.

        Don’t judge others.

      • Julio

        Look in the mirror when you say that.

      • Ellen H.

        No, you look in the mirror. You make that comment constantly and yet, you judge as well. I know I’m not perfect, but you aren’t either. No one is.

      • Larry Berry

        don’t judge others.

      • Julio

        Don’t judge others yourself. Instead of worrying about what anyone else is doing. Look in the mirror. Come up with something original. This whole article is judgmental. Hopefully you sent the same message to the author.

      • Larry Berry

        You’re obviously judging that the article is judging, by your own previous post.

      • Julio

        Lighten up Larry. Liberals take themselves way too seriously. LOL

      • Larry Berry

        A. I’m not a liberal. You know what they say about assuming.

        B. I merely quoted your own line. So if that line = taking oneself too seriously, and it is your line, then that means you just said that YOU take yourself too seriously. By your own standard of those lines mean taking yourself too seriously and the fact that they are your own lines.

        I find it especially funny that your whole point has been about judging, (and anyone who points out that you are judging yourself is judging you as judging) while not following your own advice, and in the end (here’s the funny part I was talking about) you end up judging yourself since it was your own quote that you judged.

        And I couldn’t be anymore lightened up than laughing at you.

      • Anonymous

        When is everyone going to realize Julio is a troll? He’s here merely to disrupt and annoy, and it seems that he’s accomplished that purpose.
        How about ignoring him? He makes no valid points and contributes nothing to the conversation as a whole.

    • Christopher Li-Reid

      aren’t they one of the same in your view? i mean god did create the world.

      • Julio

        It’s not god it’s God. You come off as a racist, disrespectful jerk who has some attitude issues.

      • Christopher Li-Reid

        Another arrogant christian who calls people names because he doesn’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t follow god.

        You’re the idiots who are commanded by god to tolerate and accept people.

        I am not.

      • Julio

        I didn’t call you any names. I said you come off as being racist. There’s a difference. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

      • Julio

        I accept you and being delusional on your views.

      • Julio

        Don’t hate on poor people by supporting policies that keep people poor.

      • Larry Berry

        Seriously? Racist? Show ANYTHING in that post that even mentions race or touches on the issue. Anything at all.

      • Julio

        Don’t judge and learn to be more tolerant of all people not just those you agree with.

      • Larry Berry

        Okay, that still has nothing to do with race. Racism specifically means having to do with race, not anything to do with “being tolerant of people you disagree with on an issue”. Words have actual meanings. You might as well have said “don’t be such a hamburger”.

      • Julio

        So now you are starting to understand what it’s like when lefties attack conservatives and call them racist. Absolutely ridiculous. Left wing policies hurt minorities. By supporting those policies someone is probably more of a racist than someone who does not support left wing policies. Do you understand?

      • Larry Berry

        I understand that you don’t know what you are talking about and don’t understand the meaning of racist, and are trying to completely change the subject. Poor attempt at diversion by babbling incoherently. You come off as being broccoli. If you ever understand what words actually mean, feel free to come back for a real adult conversation instead of just tossing out random words and phrases.

      • Larry Berry

        Look in the mirror when you say that.

      • I don’t think that god cares how you spell his name. It’s a really petty thing to argue about.

  • Loren

    This is literally the worst thought out and most illogical argument I have ever read. Some of these arguments could made well made but they are poorly constructed in this case.

    • Eric Andrews

      They only thing I see wrong with this is that they left out healthcare for everyone. Jesus was all about free healthcare for anyone who needed it., whereas modern conservatives believe healthcare should only be for those who can afford it

      • JB

        Oh yeah, I forgot in 1st Make-It-Up chapter 7 that Jesus was pro-universal healthcare. What? Where do you get that from? Jesus HEALED people – If that’s maybe what you’re referring to. Jesus also told us to care for our neighbor. If Christians followed that (oh, and if all the people criticizing Christians here stopped acting like self-righteous perfect people and did it too) we would have a form of universal healthcare, but it would be provided by the charity of people. The entire system is broken and corrupt. The answer isn’t for the government to require everyone to participate in the jacked up system. And the answer isn’t what will come next, socialized healthcare. The answer is people actually loving and caring for one another.

      • Larry Berry

        So you are against a universal healthcare system because you plan to actually spend your time going door to door finding the people who need help and helping them instead?? Or do you really just want to say that’s what should be done, so that you can really do nothing instead?

      • Julio

        Larry there are more intelligent and efficient ways to do healthcare than universal healthcare. You seem to think with your emotions instead of your brain. Ask a good doctor how they would do healthcare and perhaps you might get some real understanding. When you look at everything from the emotional standpoint. It makes you look stupid.

      • So, lets hear them.

      • HHRADICAL

        I work hard and go without things to PAY for my healthcare. That being said, I agree that healthcare should be free for everyone, especially the elderly. The ACA is just a way that healthcare insurance companies and drug companies line there pockets with extra tax dollars.. The administration who enacted this unconstitutional law is bowing to special interests which is something Dems love to throw in the face of any conservative. I say get rid of the middle-man and let Doctors be our Doctors and not Doctors for the insurance/drug industry.

      • “I agree that healthcare should be free for everyone, especially the elderly.”

        The elderly and the disabled already have Medicare, and it works just fine.

      • Julio

        Was Jesus for abortion and same sex marriage?? I think not.

      • In the Bible it is believed that a fetus is a child with its first breath and not before. Who are you to refute the Bible?

        And God did not consider homosexuality to be wrong. He considered homosexual prostitutes to be wrong.

        You might want to talk to someone who is Jewish and can actually read Hebrew.

    • IQdaRadical Thinker

      Why?

  • Mark Able Jones

    This is really accurate. Bookmarked. Thanks for writing it.

  • Susan Marie Dickerson

    Truthiness.

  • John Masters

    As a person who tries to live his life as a Christian, I’ve gotten to the point of being embarrassed to claim the designation because of the behavior of so many today. However, I’d like to comment on a few of these items.

    Item 1-It goes without saying that the evangelical branch, in particular, practically defines itself by how homophobic it can be. Of course most modern theologians and Biblical scholars recognize that the sin of Sodom was not homosexuality but inhospitality. Xtians prefer the former, because the later requires them to be kind to strangers. But Jesus did, actually get involved in a homosexual relationship, and his only judgement was to pronounce to the disciples and followers with him in Capernaum, that the one partner had greater faith than any of them. I’m speaking about the story of Centurion from Matthew Chapter 8. Most translations explain that the Roman commander came humbly to Jesus to ask him to heal his “servant.” Jesus did so without hesitation, and his only comment was the praise of the Centurion. The big problem for the Xtians is that the more accurate translation of the Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner.

    Item 8 – This one goes pretty much without saying. They most certainly believe in their own superiority over any other religions, but go beyond believing that their particular brand of Christianity (denomination) is the one true one, and the latest trend is infighting as the modern beliefs of many people overtake the hate and intolerance on which many have built their belief system. (See item 1 for one of the primary tests they apply.) Jesus certainly spoke over and over about love and acceptance, but even Micah in the Old Testament made it pretty clear and concise when, speaking for God in Chapter 6, he said, “He has told you O man, what is good, but to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with God.” Not all that hard to understand, but it can be hard to live by.

    Item 10 – I want to skip to this one, and specifically the whole, “God gets 10% why should you get more meme…” This goes to a bigger point of their picking and choosing what they read and hear from their Bible. The 10% is actually a tithe, in effect, a mandatory tax. You owe God the 10%. But beyond that, you’re expected to make a sacrificial offering. So 10% is supposed to be the minimum, but like much with these people, they don’t fully understand that, or don’t want to.

    Item 9 – To me, this is the big one, and the root of most all the others. Too much of the foundation of the evangelical branch is founded on fear. Do this, or burn in hell. So if that’s where one starts, one wants a easy to understand code, a checklist, so as to be able to easily avoid eternal damnation (and to feel morally superior to everyone else is a plus). They also want that checklist to conform to things they are comfortable with. They don’t like having to care for the poor, so they find whatever wiggle room they can. They think homosexuality is icky, so my God must hate it as much as me. As a comedian once said, “When your God hates all the same people you do, you have created God in your own image.” They want rules and codes that make them feel good and comfortable, and they want their faith to be easy…believe this, and you’re fine (a very Pauline approach), while most of the other writers, and Jesus himself, called us to good works. Actually doing things, other than sitting a pew on Sunday Mornings with like minded people, is a lot harder, and to be avoided.

    Thanks for a great list. There’s a lot of truth here, and even more truth behind most of these items.

    • Obilio222

      You know more about much of this than I do, but in my studies and prayers and listening to God (yeah, He does speak up inside you-clear as day!) He has always reminded me that He IS Love. I don’t know where anyone else is on their path, and Jesus told me not to judge, so that is how I try to live. However, I am supposed to test the spirit of what someone is saying – like if it boils down to greed, it’s greed. Jesus also said that you would know who people really are by what they do (By their fruits you shall know them.) I’d like to find a church that still teaches this.

      • Brittney

        http://www.mormon.org/
        this church still teaches that. 🙂

      • Donald Clifton

        you mean the one that won’t baptize children of same sex couples?

      • Howard Sands

        I admire your values. It does, however, seem like you depend on scripture and the supposed teachings of Jesus, to make your decisions, rather than using your own judgement of right and wrong. Too many people don’t think for themselves.

      • theseusluther

        why?? Why is it your concern if she values the morals in the bible and not of man? be concerned with yourself and not others.

      • Howard Sands

        As long as people keep their religious views in their church, I won’t comment on them. But its open season when people wear their religion on their sleeve. Got it?

      • B870

        Not only did he not tread on some of the thinnest water possible in a chat room, he made a point to keep calm and give advice without shoving it down a few throats. And you retort by telling him to back off passive(-)aggressive(+)ly. A prime christian duty/faith is to save as many people as possible by converting them to the word of god, they are GOING to try to enforce some of their ideas but not all of them are doing it for themselves, their doing it for YOU. Advice that challenges your fundamental beliefs is scary and rage inducing, we all know, we can’t change that primal part of us. But we can AT LEAST not flip shit at every comment that critically critiques someone’s lifestyle.

      • B870

        And like i said. It IS his concern. It’s every christian’s concern, right or wrong.

      • B870

        Make your own. It seems like it’s about time for another revolution that isn’t some sort of crusade.

    • rejectrepublicanlies

      The Bible is fiction. It’s called the leap of faith for a reason. There is no proof that Jesus or God existed or currently exist. If God exists, someone might want to tell him that 8K people die every day from disease, war, murder, starvation and other sordid fates. Keep your superstition out of my home, business, bedroom and government. Practice it in your home and on your own time. The Constitution is the law of the land, NOT the Bible.

    • Gavin Smith

      You sound like a very hateful Christian, John.

      • The people who know would disagree with you. I stand up for, and work for the poor and down trodden. I seek to shine a light in the world, and not hate anyone. But It is hard to watch others claim to be Christian, who do hate, and actually justify that by claiming it’s the Christian thing to do. Very disappointing. One of the best examples being the example here of the “good Christians” using their religion to justify being cheap and gipping a hardworking wait person. Would you call them “loving Christians,” Gavin?

      • Gavin Smith

        Again, your reply sounds hateful and judgemental just like your original did.

      • So, let me get this straight. You have nothing to dispute my observations in reference to the article, and you apparently think gipping a hard working wait person is OK, when done in the name of religion…but all you can do is call me hateful. Get a mirror.

      • Gavin Smith

        I think you’re obsessed with homosexual rights and in your delusion, you have made White Christians your whipping boys. I’m an Atheist, by the way.

      • John Masters

        Help me understand what homosexual rights has to do with not tipping a hardworking wait person, who primary income is from said TIPS? I think you are the one obsessed with the subject, and that usually point to some unresolved issues in your own life.

      • Steven jones

        You sound like a very smart and noble person John Masters, don’t let these so called “Christians” make you feel ostracized because they don’t understand why we are here or know the true empathetic nature Jesus preached during his travels as written in the Bible. We are all gracious and humble until we allow ourselves to be blinded by the political powers that surround much of this world that in turn cause many of us to be greedy and envious. It is a nice change to see a humble Christian that understands the “Love of Jesus” and his preachings.

  • Wayne Johnson

    I always found it interesting that conservative churches have always been in opposition to positive change and the progressive churches have always been at the forefront. To be fair, progressive churches have given way to the Civil Right’s Movement, to homeless shelters, community cleanup projects, guns for cash programs, and prison outreach programs, just to name a few. I think it is amazing how the political machine can slowly change so many viewpoints that are in direct contrast with their own religious ideals.

    • Julio

      Wayne you sound a little ignorant and you’re mixing church and state. There should be no such thing as progressive churches and conservative churches. Everyone should be on the same page and follow what the Bible teaches. Progressive churches tend to mix church and state with their teachings. In classic fashion they point the finger at non political churches who teach the Bible as being the ones who mix church and state. It’s all left wing lies!! Progressive tend not to follow the Bible which is totally misleading their people down the wrong path. It’s a dangerous place to be spiritually.

      • Larry Berry

        julio, don’t judge and be tolerant of people. Not just the ones you agree with.

      • Julio

        So I shouldn’t be tolerant of other people?? Why shouldn’t I tolerate others. That’d be mean.

      • Wayne Johnson

        Never got notified, so just getting around to respond…
        I think you are being naive in thinking that ANY two churches would ever be “on the same page” on their teachings. I implore you to go and visit different churches in your community and actually listen to how one verse can be interpreted in many different ways. As for “church and state”, parishioners do not stop being parishioners when they go out the doors. The same can be said as when they walk in the doors. You can’t just stop being a part of society as soon as you enter.
        More to the point I was making, The Bible says “Sell your possessions, and give them to the needy…”Luke 12:13, but yet conservatives think that they should be able to hoard all of their wealth. Bible also says, “…love one another, just as I have loved you…” John 13:34, but yet, all I see on Fox news is hate and disdain for immigrants, homosexuals, liberals, the poor, the young and anyone who isn’t a white, affluent, straight male.

        Look at the following scriptures and ask yourself where your true political/spiritual “values” are:

        Luke 14:12-14
        Luke 6:37
        Matthew 25:35-40
        Matthew 26:52
        Luke 11:39-42

  • choiceone

    You forgot about the stupidity. Is God stupid? Is Jesus stupid? You want to see what “pro-lifers” do to protect the fetus? Look at the case of Norma Alicia Beltran of Wisconsin.

    Beltran had become addicted to percocet, a legal prescription drug, and then, at a point where she had no medical insurance, learned she was pregnant. Having no insurance, she quickly borrowed from a friend with a prescription for a counteractant to her addiction, took it responsibly and got off it via decreasing doses ASAP so as not to harm her fetus with either the addiction or the counteractant. She was then addiction-free.

    Then, at 12 weeks pregnant, she went to a doctor for prenatal care. She was honest about this part of her medical history. The physician’s assistant wanted her to take the counteractant longer, but Beltran was addiction-free and knew further use of the counteractant could harm her fetus, so she refused. Her urine test proved that she had no percocet in her and only a slight trace of the counteractant from the last doses.

    The physician’s assistant nonetheless called Social Services and said either that Beltran was addicted to percocet or had to take the counteractant, neither of which was true. The police went to Beltran’s home, arrested her, put her in shackles, and took her away to family court. There, the court appointed a guardian and a lawyer for her fetus and did not give a lawyer to Beltran or let her get one herself. The proof that she wasn’t addicted was ignored. The court forced her to enter a rehabilitation center for drug addicts for several months. There, the center did not give her more of the counteractant, provided no prenatal care, and Beltran did not have the liberty to get the best prenatal nutrition for her fetus. Meanwhile, the government presented a threat of taking custody of the future baby away from her even before she gave birth.

    Fortunately, Beltran was finally able to contact a lawyer and leave the center after a couple of months. But because she had been effectively incarcerated for two months, she had lost her job, which would have allowed her to take care of her baby economically. the threat of loss of custody was still hanging.

    Lawyers filed on her behalf a federal lawsuit against the Wisconsin fetal protection act enforced in this completely unconstitutional way.

    Ironic that Beltran was the only one responsibly looking out for her wanted fetus. The physician’s assistant could have endangered the fetus by having Beltran take the counteractant to percocet longer, when it was not needed. Social Services, the police, and the court forced Beltran to stay in a place with drug addicts instead of her loving family, where neither she nor her fetus had prenatal care or an ideal diet for fetal health, and caused her job loss and economic insecurity.

    So the people who wanted to stick their noses into her pregnancy were actually potentially harmful to her fetus, while she was responsible.

    I hope she wins her lawsuit, because if she doesn’t, this is what “pro-life” people will teach by their meddling:

    1) If you get pregnant, don’t go to the doctor for prenatal care or you could end up losing your constitutional rights and thus be unable to take the best care of your fetus, and

    2) since pregnancy is just a Catch-22, just go directly to the nearest abortion clinic, have an abortion, and vow never to give birth in a state where “pro-life” meddlers have any power whatsoever.

    “Pro-lifers” know nothing about God or Christ, both of whom seem pretty intelligent to me. No God could ever have made people as stupid and self-contradictory as these muddling meddlers. Trust women. God did.

  • Christopher Li-Reid

    queue all the christians to start complaining about how most of them dont act this way – and how the author is going to hell.

    im sorry but thats something christians share universally – across all countries – you’re a bunch of assholes who care more about your social status than you do social welfare.

    • Ellen H.

      Can we say hasty generalization?

      • Christopher Li-Reid

        You mean like what Christians do to gays?

      • Ellen H.

        No, I mean like people who don’t have open minds enough to realize that just because someone is in a group doesn’t mean everyone in that group is going to be exactly alike.

      • Julio

        Why do you use gays as props to voice your hate against Christianity? Guys like you use gays to advance the left wing agenda. Just like you use blacks to advance your left wing agenda. The fact that blacks suffer economically under progressive policies and you support policies like that and attack those who don’t support policies. That is disturbing.

    • Julio

      Haters like you are why I never want to become a lefty. You sound very narrow-minded and uninformed. If you have to resort to attacking people instead of discussing the issues like a respectful human being. Everything you stand for sits on a house of cards that is ready to collapse at any moment.

      • Christopher Li-Reid

        Go f*ck yourself. Get off your soapbox ya hypocrite blah blah you’re attacking peopl then you attack my character. Haha.

      • Julio

        Intelligent choice of words Crissy, Crissy, Crissy, . LOL Why don’t you subscribe to Rosetta Stone for English?

      • Larry Berry

        Don’t judge others.

      • Julio

        Back at you Larry. Judge not lest ye be judged. You’re obviously judging that I am judging. All I’m doing is giving Christopher a taste of his own medicine. Guys like Christopher can dish it out but they can’t take it.

      • Ellen H.

        That’s all Larry is doing to you.

      • Julio

        Aww so cute. LOL

      • Nick Demasky

        Don’t you have a book burning to go to?

      • Larry Berry

        By that reasoning, all of your posts of “don’t judge” was YOU judging that they are judging, and your complaining then proves that you can dish it out but can’t take it.

      • Julio

        Trust me I’m not complaining at all. Why are you bullying me? It’s like you don’t want me to express my opinion because I’m a hispanic. I’m not saying you’re racist. It’s very strange that you seem to like following my shadow. LOL Get a life! hahaha

      • Larry Berry

        “because I’m a hispanic”
        Psst little tip, people can’t actually see through the computers, so have no idea what race or nationality you are. While we’re at it, I should break it to you that the little people in the tv can’t see or hear you either.

      • Julio

        Larry why do you keep arguing with your shadow?

      • Larry Berry

        And again, I only repeated your own lines back to you. So if quoting what YOU said = bullying, then that would mean that you as the one who said them to other people…….. See if you can follow along……

        I even stuck to the “don’t judge” quotes and stayed away from your more abusive posts like “you are one arrogant human being”, “narrow-minded and uninformed” etc. So I repeated back the less abusive of your very own quotes and therefore I’m a bully??? Think about it.

        And if me posting something to you makes me racist and the thing I posted was actually quotes that you posted to other people, then that means that those quotes were racist, and you said them……

      • Julio

        Your ignorance is unbelievable. Everything I’ve stated are tactics this author uses and tactics the left uses every day to get their way. You ignorantly follow the left and then claim abuse when someone uses the same tactics the left uses back at you. If you want to embrace the political left that’s fine. As a Christian you have to know the tactics your side uses to win. I’m trying to teach you a lesson so you understand what it’s like to be a conservative in this country. I’ve used every play out of the liberal playbook and thrown them at you. Obviously you don’t like it. Don’t blindly follow the side that acts that way in the first place then.

      • Larry Berry

        julio don’t judge others, even those who have different beliefs and opinions than yours. Remember these are just YOUR own words. Yet YOU are the one who comes back being personally insulting. Which is fine but then don’t pull the “be tolerant of others” while you aren’t. Again, I’ve only quoted you back to yourself. So you are actually calling yourself those names.

        “then claim abuse when someone uses the same tactics”
        Ummm I never used any such tactics. So what you are doing is throwing something back that wasn’t thrown at you???

        You see if YOU call someone racist, then claim that you are only using their tactics, then it only works if THEY were the actual one who said “racist” first. Now if I, or Christoper or anyone had pulled the race card then you could argue that you doing so back was using their own tactics. However if you and you alone pull the card, you can’t claim that you are using their own tactics back at them if they didn’t actually use those tactics.

        I get it though. Your argument is “someone else at some other time, at a completely different place used that tactic on me, so I’m using THEIR tactic against YOU and claiming that it’s your tactic”.

        That’s like if I got mugged by someone somewhere at some time, so then I mug you (even though it wasn’t you who mugged me) and claim that I am using YOUR own tactic against you. Since you never mugged anyone, it’s not actually using YOUR own tactic.

        Since no one else pulled the race card in this particular post, then you can’t pull the race card and claim that it is using THEIR own tactics against them, since they didn’t use that tactic.

        Again I’m not liberal and follow nothing blindly. You making assumptions that other people believe something they never stated, and believing they use tactics that others have, that you haven’t seen them use, but “since you’re in the same political party (again I’m not)” is actually following blindly. Because you blindly believe that I think a certain way, believe in something that I haven’t stated, or that I’ve used tactics that I didn’t is following blindly, because you are making statements that you’ve seen no evidence of.

        You see, I’ve judged you by your own comments and actions, not said that you did or said something, just because some other conservative did (and I only say conservative because you identified yourself as such rather than the assumption you made).

        I don’t claim that YOU said something because some OTHER conservative said it. I don’t claim that YOU use certain tactics because some OTHER conservative used that tactic. I don’t claim that you masturbate in city cars because some other conservative got caught doing so, and claim that that is YOUR tactic. To ascribe those tactics or beliefs to you would be doing so blindly.

      • miamifella

        Julio, Christians do what is right and honest and do not pay back in kind. The gameplaying you claim to be doing is the opposite of what Jesus tells us to do. “Turn the other cheek is the Christian way,” not “punch back.” Jesus does not need your help to make everything come out right.

      • Howard Sands

        I gotta say that Jesus isn’t telling anybody to do things. A preacher in a church is. And depending on the preacher, you’re being told to do either good things, or bad. Its always better to know right from wrong for yourself from a good upbringing.

      • Jen Adamo

        STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!
        Julio is a sad sorry little boy (in mentality if not actually).
        It’s pointless to engage him. He has a mental disorder that has him antagonizing others then claiming victimhood when he is challenged.
        He’s either an eight year old (highly unlikely) or a pathetic adult who has nothing in his life but trolling.
        Let it go. It’s futile.

      • theseusluther

        interesting that you don’t even know what judging does and doesn’t mean biblically. But keep on thinking you do because it seems to be working for you. NOT

      • Larry Berry

        Don’t judge others

      • buricco

        Look in the mirror.

      • Alex Paylor

        And you know Christopher’s political preference how?

    • theseusluther

      says a typical hate filled leftist. you scream and cry when someone stereotypes but when you do it, its perfectly acceptable because you k now better. you are what is often referred to as a hypocrite

      • Alex Paylor

        How do you know where Christopher lies on the political spectrum?

  • Jonathan Rugger

    Your “fun fact” under the homosexuality category is untrue. Jesus did speak out against it. In Matthew 5:17 Jesus stated that he did not come to abolish the law of Moses but to fulfill it. Refer to law of Moses in Leviticus 18:22: “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”

    • Ellen H.

      So do you also obey the other laws of Leviticus? There are ones that forbid eating pork, shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, working on the Sabbath, and eating fat as well as seventy-one other things. If you are going to refer to Leviticus 18:22 as your argument against homosexuality, then you need to follow all those laws.

      • Jonathan Rugger

        Read the New Testament and do some research. Many of those laws are no longer applicable and I don’t need to follow them. The NT clearly defines which ones are and aren’t. Jesus’s life, death, and resurrection changed many things. Homosexuality being a sin wasn’t one of them.

      • Ellen H.

        Then don’t quote Leviticus because all those things I listed were considered “abominations”. So all those things I listed are okay now but homosexuality isn’t? How convenient for your views.

      • Jonathan Rugger

        I knew you would reply to me with that response. They are not views that i have created. I wasn’t alive 2000 years ago to write them. They are from God and God only. Again, read the NT as it clearly states which laws are no longer applicable. As one example i will use animal sacrifice. The shedding of blood was necessary for forgiveness of sin. No longer needed because Jesus was ultimate sacrifice and he paid the price for all. Read all of Chapters 18 and 19 and then read the NT. You will understand what i’m saying. Don’t get me wrong here i’m not one of those types that spews eternal damnation on homosexuals. We are all worthy of hell but we can all be forgiven. I do believe in heaven and i also believe there will be souls there that were homosexuals on this earth. My sins have been forgiven as well as theirs if they believe.

      • Ellen H.

        The only verse that applies now with the exception of the ten commandments is Leviticus 18:22? What about Leviticus 18:6-18?

      • Julio

        Ellen you clearly are uninformed.

      • Ellen H.

        Oh really? In what way am I uninformed? Enlighten us all if you know so much.

      • Larry Berry

        julio, don’t judge others.

      • Jonathan Rugger

        Yes those laws are confirmed in Mark 10 when Jesus says a man shall leave father and mother (family) and be united with wife (male/female relationship).

      • Ellen H.

        So only 18:22? Well, isn’t that convenient for your point of view.

      • Jonathan Rugger

        I’ll make this a little more simple. Maybe i’m being to “churchy” and having a hard time saying what i mean. John 3:16 & 17 explain why Jesus came to earth. In verse 17 it states that Jesus did not come into the world to condemn it but to save it. Here is where i got a little ahead of myself. Technically the author is “correct” but he is also very deceptive. Jesus didn’t condemn anyone because judgement is left to God. He came here with infinite pity for those lost and he loved and accepted them and put salvation right at their fingertips even though he knew their sins. Even that doesn’t change the fact that Jesus defines marriage between man and woman.

      • Ellen H.

        I still find it interesting that that’s the only thing from Leviticus that is still forbidden. Do you feel Matthew 5:17 enters into it at all? Do you feel the same way about divorce or adultery? Or is that different since it could affect you?

      • Jonathan Rugger

        I think you are getting caught up in percentages. A majority of Leviticus consists of ceremonial law. Its extremely detailed and seemingly a bit tedious. I think thats because God cares about what we do with our sin. Lets try not to focus so much on the percentage not practiced anymore and focus on Jesus’ teachings. And more laws than 18:22 are the same. Read all of chapters 18 and 19. And yes, Matthew 5:17 still enters into it. Jesus said he would not abolish the law but fulfill it. Did he not fulfill the law? Jesus offering himself as the final, ultimate sacrifice fulfilled ceremonial law (most of Leviticus) and thus ended it. Not by abolishing but fulfilling. Now the moral law remains and much of it is the same. I believe divorce is the only moral law that is different. Now divorce and adultery could both affect me but I plan on neither. If there were a law in this country that banned divorce and adultery that wouldn’t have affected my decision to get married. I have a great wife and four beautiful children and even though i don’t do everything right i don’t expect i will ever break either of those moral laws.

      • Ellen H.

        Well, there isn’t a law in this country banning homosexuality or homosexuals getting together. So, as long as there isn’t a secular law against it, religion shouldn’t be a part of it. Everyone in this country is Jewish or Christian, and we are NOT a “Christian” nation.

      • Jonathan Rugger

        I never stated nor made the assumption this was a Christian nation. But just as you choose to believe as you do and vote as you do, so will I. I respect your beliefs to the point where I will not be a judgmental Christian, but not far enough to abandon the beliefs I have.

      • Larry Berry

        I love your “Jesus said the follow the old testament” then switch to “the old testament is no longer valid due to the new testament.

      • Jonathan Rugger

        Oh Larry its pretty easy to understand that is not what I said. You are only seeing what you want to see. But here’s a quote from Jesus maybe you will understand found in Mark 4:12: …”they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding…”

      • “Homosexuality being a sin wasn’t one of them. ”

        The scriptures actually say nothing about homosexuality as a psychosexual orientation. Our understandings of sexual orientation are distinctly modern ones that were not present in the minds of Scripture writers. A few passages of Scripture (seven at the most) object to certain types of same-sex expressions or acts. The particular acts in question, however, are sexual expressions which are exploitative, oppressive, prostitution, or offensive to ancient purity rituals. There is no Scriptural guidance for same-sex relationships, which are loving and mutually respecting. Guidelines for these relationships should come from the same general scriptural norms that apply to heterosexual relationships.

    • According to the Jewish people that I know who read Hebrew, the word used was for homosexual prostitute not just homosexual. The words in Hebrew are quite different.

    • Christians don’t follow Leviticus because it’s the holy code for priests, even you don’t follow it.

  • Travis Kirkland

    As a conservative atheist, I find this article to be shit propaganda…

  • William fite

    1. Concerning Jesus and homosexuality.

    “And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”?’” (Matthew 19:4)

    2. Helping the poor

    Conservatives don’t believe that government is the only way to help the poor. We believe in Charity. Many conservatives use charity to help the poor, either with money or with volunteering.

    3. They love greed.

    Sorry but owning a company and making money from it is not always greed. Yes there are some that are greedy, like Warren Buffett, Michael Moore, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and George Soros. Those names seem to get lost in the liberal world.

    4. They’re full of hate

    Before you start throwing the stones, maybe you ought to look at your side of the aisle. And even your own articles that you write. You just recently wrote an article in which you chastise Sarah Palin and her use of a Poll. You showed plenty of hate in that article. You say that she is embarrassing herself. How can someone who used the data correctly be embarrassing themselves.

    5. racism

    You believe that racism only occurs in the South. Wrong, it happens everywhere in the States. You also tend to believe it is only the Republicans in these states that are racists. Wrong again, it is both sides of the aisle that show racism.

    6. Pro-Life hypocrisy

    This could be turned around on the democrats as well. The liberals are for abortion but against the death penalty. Criminals who get the death penalty deserve the penalty. What have fetuses/babies done to deserve the death penalty?

    7. Their obsession with guns

    This is a non provable comment you made. How do you know Jesus would not be standing there with a gun in today’s world?

    8. They’re intolerant

    All are intolerant if you don’t agree with their views. That is both sides of the aisle.

    9. They’re afraid and paranoid.

    Now you are just grasping at straws.

    10. They base their faith on church attendance.

    Your explanation is just plain stupid.

    • Ellen H.

      No one is for abortion. However, many people are for the right for a woman to choose. I wish no one would choose abortion, but if that is the decision that is made, I want that woman to have access to a safe procedure. As far as hypocrisy goes, I know three people who are on “disability” and get government help. All three are ultra-conservative and from what I can tell, have no disability because I see them out doing everything and anything. As far as your comment that Jesus could be toting a gun, He also might not be since he was a turn the other cheek kind of person.

      • Julio

        Don’t judge others.

      • Larry Berry

        You’re obviously judging that they are judging. (your own point previously posted).

      • Larry Berry

        “Look in the mirror when you say that.”

      • Julio

        If you vote democrat you technically are supporting abortion. It’s complicated. Most people who vote democrat are not informed enough to see the errors of their thought process. Ignorance is no excuse. Get more deeply informed and you’ll understand it.

      • Ellen H.

        No, I’m voting for people who aren’t stuck on just one issue when there are so many other problems. The democrats tend to want to have programs that help people who are actually here. Most “pro-life” people are really just pro-birth. They don’t care once a person is here. Most of them are against health insurance for everyone, equal opportunity for everyone, and interestingly enough, against birth control which would pretty much get rid of abortion.

      • Julio

        No. Pro lifers trust that God will work it out. We give voice to the unborn. You obviously don’t trust in God. You trust in own reasoning. That will put you on the path to destruction. You’re a sinner. If you die today are you going to heaven or hell if you don’t trust in God?

      • Ellen H.

        I trust in God. However, I don’t trust in humans and that’s who I am concerned with. Abortion wasn’t even an issue with evangelicals until 1980. You haven’t said a word about birth control. Hmm, I find it interesting that you’re judging me when you frequently tell others not to judge.

      • wendy

        So god will provide? Is that what ur saying? That’s great because I need to fill my fridge and only have $10. What a relief. How does god send the groceries, delivery or in the form of a gift card?
        Wonder y so many people starving in this world? God seems to be short staffed

    • Larry Berry

      1. Well that doesn’t claim that homosexuality is a sin anymore than just being single is a sin.

  • thesystemforce

    As for the ‘I’ve met terrible people that went to church several times a week’ thing, if the people I’ve met are any indication, there tends to be a positive correlation between going to church weekly and being a terrible person. The more time they weekly spent at church, the more they were prone to racism, sexism, homophobia, enforced ignorance, child abuse (in extreme cases), and various other awful behaviors.

    Personally, I think it’s because many people who feel the need to go to church multiple times a week either do it because they feel the need to appear ‘holier than thou’, or they know they have a lot of reasons to ask for forgiveness.

    • Jen Adamo

      They also need their beliefs reinforced by others who also need to go multiple times a week. It’s circular logic. They can’t face life on their own in “the world” unless they get reinforcement from their cult.

  • Josef Von Schmidt

    It’s very easy to take the title of this article and change a few key words, this is all based on the opinion of the writer, and his experience, I deal with all sorts of people, why is someone racist? Because they are pro something else that a person doesn’t agree with?
    Someone is greedy because they worked hard for what they have and want to save it for thier children? As for the tipping comment, maybe the server had given poor service, instead of checking on the customer, they were busy texting and horsing around instead of doing their job, but that never happens right?
    Obsessed with Guns? Some people like guns, some like cars and some like video games, what’s the point it’s not ok if someone else agrees with it, let’s face it the news reports on 90% of “bad” news, but the inspiring/helpful things people do every day is over looked by all the people focused on negative being pumped at them, treat people like you want to be treated, it’s peoples right to live the way they want, just like it’s my right to say god bless you all

    • wendy

      The definition of greed is taking way more than giving in ones life

  • Julio

    Why do progressives always use the logic of we can’t mix church and state so therefore we must support abortion and same sex marriage? Yet in the heat of politics they turn around and say you’re not acting like a Christian. Who mixes church and state when it’s convenient to attack people they disagree with? Progressives need to stop whining about everything and start looking in the mirror. Progressives need to stop thinking they’re better than everyone else. It’s so nauseating.

    • Render unto God, what is God’s, and render unto Caesar what is Caesars.

      See, even Jesus was for the separation of church and state. He said it beautifully.

  • lisa johnston

    “Christianity is based on a belief in Jesus Christ and one’s attempt to live their lives based on the “values” for which He lived.”—sorry Allen, you are wrong. Actually, Christianity is based on one’s acknowledgement of that they are a sinner in God’s eyes, that they repent to Him and ask Jesus to take control of their life and then He will send the Holy Spirit to live in us to help, guide and convict us to live for Him and His laws (not values).
    “The problem is when some people, specifically conservatives, try to force that religion on others”–well, we think that you liberals are forcing your communistic, murderous and un-natural ideas on us by trying to get them turned into law and change societies current decent ethics and morals which , will tarnish our children and grandchildren.
    1) Homosexuality- Jesus is God and God says that it is wrong and sinful.
    3) Jesus did speak about slothfullness and to not be slothful. The curse of Adam and Eve’s sin was for the man to work very hard for his whole life and for the women to have much pain during childbirth.
    6)Pro-life Hypocrisy– Thats just a riduculous statement. Murder is murder .
    7) We were given domain over all creatures. Thats why I hunt for game. Its much more healthy than what you can get at the store. Also, not all of us gun lovers wants an ar 15. Thats just another stupid statement from you.
    8) Intolerence– Homosexuality, abortion is your choice. You are also intolerant of us. Real Christianity does preach acceptence and tolerance but not when it’s against Gods rule of law!
    10) That is just not true.

  • Eruanion Nolaquen

    On homosexuality, in my experience, and in reality, almost all of the men who sexually abuse other males are heterosexual, and loudly declame homosexuality.
    On the “Sunday crowd” how much more hypocritical can you get than looking down on the people who HAVE to work because you HAD to go out after church to show how holy you are? The worst pamphlets were the ones that showed a $5, $10, or $20 bill on the front, and that was all you got (they look like a folded bill). Drunks coming in after a night at the bar were usually a better crowd to deal with, as all they wanted was something that looked like what they ordered, delivered quickly. in a comparison of sales $-tips, you made less on Sunday morning (this is true for all servers) than on Saturday late night.

  • modera8

    So true, so true.

  • Yogini

    Amen

  • Michael Cookson

    I totally agree!

  • A Olson

    Next they will bring back the Spanish Inquisition!

  • DavidD

    Church on Sunday sleep and nod
    Trying to cop the wrath of God
    Preachers filling us with fright
    Trying to teach us what they think is right
    They’ve got to be some kind of nut
    I can’t use it
    Trying to make it real compared to what
    Les Mc Caan and Eddie Harris, Real Compare to What

  • DavidD

    The cross was made of silver
    now it’s caked with rust
    The Sunday morning sermons
    pander to their lusts
    The falling face of Jesus
    is chocking in the dust
    And heaven only knows
    in which God they can trust
    State of Richard Nixon by Phil Ochs

  • Kris Weibel

    Excellent! It’s ironic that these so called ‘religious’ do not see any of this. They just don’t get it all. Oh don’t bother pointing any of these out to them…details.

  • And Justice For All

    What these Conservatives misunderstand is that Jesus never taught Religion, nor did Muhammad, neither did Buddha, what they taught was LOVE, which is the opposite of any religious beliefs, because religions don’t teach love, they teach fear and guilt, and how you shouldn’t do this and do that, or be like this, Religions doesn’t want you to be you, they want you to be like them, a sheep!

  • Tim Hartman

    Got it. You came out of the church a judgmental prick. I’m sorry you got nothing out of it.

  • caseykc
  • Firefly

    I suppose this *is* in an American context, so I can let some of it slide… and some of this certainly is true (especially the bits about welfare & the poor). However, the homosexuality argument is a poor one. Jesus also never said anything about serial rapists or having sex with children- maybe that makes it okay? Also, the Bible says a few times that homosexuality is wrong. That doesn’t mean we should be jerks about it, but we also shouldn’t be treated as if our opinion on that is the one thing that defines us as good or bad. Jesus saved the adulteress from being stoned, after all, but he also told her not to sin anymore. We can treat others with compassion, that doesn’t mean we have to condone what they do.

    Same thing goes for the “intolerance” thing. I feel like that’s just a word people throw around nowadays to try to shut up anyone who disagrees with them. And the people preaching tolerance for all are usually the first to demonize Christians and throw them under the bus to protect their own ideologies. It can go both ways.

  • BarbB

    I am proud to say I am a Christian and also proud to say I am a Democrat. I consider so many conservatives are Old Testament Christians….they can’t possibly believe in Jesus or the God I know. I have an aunt that told my daughter-in-law she was going to hell because of a simple comment she made..I just came back with a simple Bible verse about not judging others. Doubt it meant anything to her though since she is one of those who fits the profile Allan gave. I keep thinking about what it is going to be like when these politicians meet their maker and he states to them that they were using his name for their own gain and had instead of following him they had done everything the devil told them to do. They lived in fear and caused others to, they looked down on the less fortunate, their hearts were filled with greed and so on. Just talking to some people for a short while you can tell a conservative so easily without them saying anything about politics.

  • it me

    these are church lifestylers, not christians. big difference.

  • William Stahl

    What I like about the liberal intellectual mindset is they are so intelligent, by far, above every one else. They(YOU) believe they can sit at the table with GOD, as equals, and “rationally” discuss the pro’s and con’s of life. Your “laundry list” pretty much sums up what a liberal, democratic socialist is. And that is you. YOU have no idea what you are talking about. No common sense. YOU are hopelessly lost. I used to attend a liberal Lutheran church and knew a man, just like you. He was an idiot with his no-commonsensical approach to matters. I used to enjoy getting into a dialog with him because he was such an idiot! By chance, are you a disciple of Sol Alinsky? Just curious!!

  • Tyrone Allen

    Typical leftist bull.

  • S Stes

    The sad fact is that you interpret the bible differently than social conservative christians. In fact christians can’t agree on the bible amongst themselves. I grew up christian, and know first hand how christians, even the most well meaning, treat those that do not share their interpretation of their god or their bible, and how they treat those that do not share their belief in a god at all, many of whom were once devout christians.

    I was a christian and am now an atheist, and Christians treat me little better than they did when I was a christian, because some Christians are obsessed with sin, even the most trivial of sins.

    If gays did not exist Christians would soon find fault with each other and find some other group among their own to place beneath them.

    After 18 years of being christian and seeing just how dysfunctional Christians can be, i decided to read the bible for myself and was horrified by it’s contradictions and it’s atrocities.

    I don’t have a problem with those that see their god as compassionate and forgiving etc, but I question how one can ignore the parts of the bible that make social conservatives the way they are toward others and still justify teaching it to children.

    You can’t make a good guy out of a god that commits genocide and orders his followers to murder men women and children. You can’t worship a god that would place the burden of homosexuality on one small group but place not such burden on the majority of society? And how convenient is it that heterosexuals never have to worry about being told to just stop being who you are. I bet if christians were treated the same way they treat homosexuals, their tune would change over night.

    who in their right mind would believe that a good god would allow the condemnation of one group of people to be enshrined in the bible for all time, so that followers can humiliate and harass generations of gay people literally for ever.

    To me hell is being exposed to hatred and irrational fear for an entire life time. I do love how some Christians claim they are being persecuted by the very people they spent centuries treating as less than human.

    How does one worship a god that is no better than his own followers.

    social conservative Christians very conveniently have a god that thinks just like them …..

    I prayed for all the wrong things as a child, I should have prayed Christians would be LESS like their god. When I finally read he bible for myself and then read the history of religion and read about all the other Christian denominations and their beliefs, I finally realized just why my own christian family was as contradictory and dysfunctional as the bible.

  • theseusluther

    you are incorrect in MOST of your accusations. The BIBLE does in FACT speak out against homosexuality.
    Conservatives do NOT believe in using government money to help people who by their own choices, are in the situations they are currently in UNLESS they are working toward bettering themselves in a program which provides them with a way out of the system. In other words, TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE.
    Christians are NOT afraid of gays, Muslims, Black Americans, ect… Your assertion is ridiculous. There are hundreds of thousands of BLACK Christians, hummmmmm. I guess they are afraid of their own race?? They are also not afraid of Muslims, rather, are aware of the over abundance of RADICAL Muslims who ARE KILLING Christians around the world (which you conveniencly don’t mention). Stereotype much??
    From your comments under number 10, it seems your service abilities were lacking and did not deserve a tip. I have had those sorts of occurrences and if the waiter sucks, I leave them a penny….which is much more relevant than nothing at all.
    Number 8….ohhhhh how I love this one. It was the city of Houston and Obama himself that tried to restrict churches from preaching against homosexuality. Claiming its hate speech. THAT is intolerance.
    Number 7. God and Jesus has NOTHING to do with our second amendment rights. PERIOD. You choose to talk about the AR15. Which by the way does NOT stand for assault rifle. That is a liberal phrase.
    Full of hate………..that’s quite hilarious. I used to frequent the democrat, republican, and tea party meetings. The most hate filled and angry group of them all was the democrats CLOSELY followed by the conservatives. The tea party groups, hold CLASSES on the constitution and discuss how the UN is trying to break down the walls of sovereign nations so that they can make a one world government. So please provide me with the locations where you have been that the angry tea party mobs were I would like to meet them.
    Jesus was NOT in a homosexual relationship Mr. Masters. Where you learned that had to be in a liberal thinking theology class. Jesus speaks of LOVE for ones neighbor and for each and every person but does NOT preach that we are to accept or condone their vile acts of sin. Homosexuality is by biblical standards, an abomination. No if ands or buts…..
    Number 6. Why should the tax payers continue to pay more and more when people do not practice self discipline or use protection?? Why is it our responsibility to feed more and more mouths because they want to keep having unprotected sex? TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. IF YOU CANT FEED ANOTHER MOUTH and cant control your sexual cravings, get fixed, protection, or abstain. It is not my responsibility to feed your babies.
    As for racism. The south USED TO BE a big democratic stronghold. The KKK WAS FORMED BY DEMOCRATS. You should know this. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with laziness and poor decisions. As recently as the 1990s, David Duke was a proud democrat that served in office and even attempted to run for president as a DEMOCRAT none the less. He TRIED to switch to the republicans but was shunned. Nice try though…

  • rejectrepublicanlies

    They are Christofascists. They use the Bible and “faith” for partisan purposes and to foment hate, fear and bigotry. They are disgusting and to me reveal the true vile nature of evangelicals. They are evil. Shun them.

  • Mimi Bara

    Gandhi said it:

    I like your Christ but I do not like your Christians

  • This should be called….

    “10 Way’s Liberals LIE about Conservatives and Otherwise”

    1. Jesus DID in fact speak against homosexuality by including it with other sins. He also directly stated the “order of marriage” in Matt.19.

    2. Utter lie that we “vilify the poor”. We simply don’t believe in the currently allowed abuse and dependecy of the liberal created and promoted “Welfare State”.

    3. Utter lie that we “love greed”….. We love Freedom, and opportunity for all. Defending freedom, including that of the wealthy is not loving greed.

    4. Actually, YOU are full of “hate”…… just look at the shit you say about us.

    Further, there’s good hate and there’s bad hate. We hate Obama AND You… because of your socialism/communism aka anti-Americanism, your wanting to fundamentally transform this country, to be like other fascist country’s. Well guess what buddy…. YA we hate you….

    5. You are confused as hell…. back when those states where those things you describe, those states were DEMOCRAT you dipwad…. Yes, some states go more Republican now, but if you actually knew anything at all, you would know that as those states were becoming less racist, the areas that were the least racist of those states are who mostly become Republican. And don’t tell me about the “party’s switched” revisionist history fantasy that you think occured in the 60’s…. Blacks switched to the Democratic Party in the 1930’s due to the “New Deal”, aka the development of the Welfare state, even though the Dem’s were STILL the party of racism, still set up the various Jim Crow etc. laws, etc. Further, the Civil Rights Bill’s were voted in by Republicans primarily, the Bill was even first created by Republicans in the 50’s, but Dem’s watered it down, and then LBJ took it over in the 60’s civil rights bills so as to get more black votes.

    6. And how many liberals will cry about an animal being killed as being “evil”, yet have no problem murdering a human being in the womb? Nevertheless, see above in relation to your lie about welfare. You also falsely assume that everyone who get’s an abortion would be “poor people”. You’ve pretty much just willingly admitted to the intentional genocide of the black man…. after all, today more black babies in New York are aborted than are born.

    7. You are immoral and ignorant…. First the right to defend oneself is a HUMAN RIGHT….. and innalienable right, just like your 1st Amendment right, aka as part of the Bill of RIGHTS….. Second, Christ had no problem with weapons for self defense. Peter we know of at least carried a SWORD on his person, and that the one story of self-defense we know of is when they tried to take Christ and Peter cut a man’s ear off. Yes, Christ warned him, but that was only because it wasn’t Peter’s purpose to die by the sword, but to preach the Gospel. The fact is however, had Christ been against killing and self-defense, Peter wouldn’t have had a sword and he wouldn’t have been so skilled with it that he could cut a man’s ear off. Jesus was NOT a “pacifist”. He simply believed there was a time and place for everything under heaven. He himself even engaged in “violence” when he turned the tables over of the money changers who were defilling his Fathers house, the Temple. If any Conservative did that sort of thing today, you liberals would castigate him for being so “violent” and “angry”.

    8. We are not “intolerant”….. you confuse not wanting other peoples rights infringed on, with infringing on homosexual rights. Gays had every right to create their own “union”, they simply didn’t have the right to co-opt Marriage, which was defined as between a man and a woman, and is an institution of Religion, not the state. So it is LIBERALS who are intolerant, by forcing their will on others, that of forcing us to say gays can be “married” too. If you were truly the actual “tolerant” ones, gays would have created a whole new word and institution to define it for their entirely NEW type of Union. But liberals aren’t tolerant, you view tolerance as everyone must comply with your views or we are the intolerant ones.

    9. We are not “paranoid and afraid”….. that’s simply your warped view on it. We are simply practical and believe in doing what’s necessary, right and fair. We aren’t afraid of brown people, we would have the same damned views if the problems were in relation to the Northern Border, in which everyone is white. We simply believe in PROPER Immigration policy, the enforcement and not abuse of the law, etc. We believe in having jobs for our OWN people, such as the POOR and blacks, you know, those people you think we don’t care about.

    10. Religious people not being perfect is hardly an indictement of Religion. Not having religion means everyone becomes like you, a liar, a bigot, and just a total jerk for what you’ve just said. So, a little relgious imperfection is certainly far better than being a monster like you are for being a liberal.

  • Reasonable Conservative

    “For the measure you use will be measured to you. As you have judged, so shall ye be judged.”

    “I came to call not the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

    “For a man shall be judged by the words of his mouth. By his words a man will be justified, and by his words will a man will be condemned.”

    “But wisdom is justified by her children.”

  • KaneKrow

    It bugs me how people go out of their way to make others feel bad for being Christians or conservatives. I cannot stand how leftist Americans have responded to not getting their way with the results of this election. This is ridiculous. I’m just happy that we won’t have another 4 years of Obama. Following it up with Hillary would have been worse. I personally wanted Jill Stein. I didn’t get my way either. Did I act out violently? No. I accept the results and will have to learn to live with them.

  • Orly Frank

    fabulous ! Thank!