5 Charts Proving Just How Successful President Obama Has Been

obama-thumbs-up-4Recently I’ve been on a bit of a mission to disprove all this nonsense that I’m constantly reading from people who claim President Obama has been a terrible president. While I know he hasn’t been perfect, it’s just stunning to me how often I hear people say how awful he’s been despite how successful he’s actually been. And this is a president who’s had practically no help from any Republicans in Congress. But not only have Republican not helped him at all, but they’ve done their best to sabotage his presidency at every turn.

So I thought I’d present 5 different charts proving just how successful this president has been. (You can click on any of them for a full size view.)


Our first one comes from BLS statistics put together by the fine folks over at the LA Times, showing the drop in our unemployment rate since Obama’s been president:

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Next up is the one we’ve all seen plenty of times (this one put together by MSNBC) showing the record-setting streak of consecutive months of private sector job growth since March 2010:

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We can’t forget about the stock market, either. Here’s a 5 year look at how stocks have done under President Obama from Yahoo Finance:

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Then there’s the deficit. This one is from WhiteHouse.gov showing that we’ve reduced our deficit by more than half since Obama’s been president. A statement Politifact recently rated as “True”:

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I should also mention that this chart doesn’t even include 2014, where our deficits have been further reduced to $483 billion. Meaning that in less than 6 years, the president will have reduced our deficits by $1 trillion.


And just because Republicans constantly try to claim that President Obama’s policies have been terrible for domestic oil production and our energy independence, here’s some great information I found from the New York Times:

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Notice the drastic upward slope of the line just about the time President Obama took office. I think it’s important to point out that at no time during Bush’s eight years in the White House did the United States produce domestic oil at the rate we have during Obama’s presidency. While some might see this as a “bad thing,” I felt it was important to debunk this common Republican myth they often spread that Obama’s policies have been bad for domestic oil production.

And again, this is just a small sample of what he’s done during his time in the White House. These charts don’t tell the story of the millions of Americans who now have health insurance; his policies that saved the American auto industry; how his administration found and killed Osama bin Ladin; the work he’s done to try to get our minimum wage raised; his repealing of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and other moves he’s made to help gay Americans and their families to finally obtain equal rights; and a whole host of other achievements he’s accomplished that are simply too long for me to list.

Though I’m sure even when confronted with these indisputable facts, Republicans won’t believe them. After all, when have facts or reality really ever mattered to the average conservative voter?

Hit me up on Twitter or Facebook and let me know what you think.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Stephen Barlow

    Wannasolve the Debt AND the gang problem in one fell swoop?

    Legalize pot and have the Government TAX it.

    1000 acres of Oranges nets about $40,000/yr. 1000 acres of marijuana @ HALF of today’s prices and 25% TAX will yield:

    3 crops of 1# per plant and 21,000 plants per acre.

    Or 3# x 21,000 P(lants) x 1000 A(cres) @
    $250 x 16 oz =

    63,000,000 x $4,000 = $252,000,000,000

    Or 9% of the ENTIRE F-35 project.

    And DAMN will you REALLY FLY!!!!!!

    NOW Multiply that 1000 Acres into 1000 Sq Mi. ( x640) and add in the crop increase of mechanized Commercial farming.

    Then add in the economic boom of 200,000 small family businesses.

    • Alierias

      Not to mention citrus greening disease is the death knell of Florida citrus, plus you can use the waste from pot as hemp, which makes MUCH better paper than wood pulp…

      • Stephen Barlow

        And better rope than nylon for kinky sex.

      • Montanabear

        You can also use pot to make pulp. Pot also makes pulp of people’s ambitions and abilities to cope.

    • Lance Majirsky

      And the entire country will be filled with more dumbass stoners without jobs…no thank you..this country is stupid enough as it is

      • Stephen Barlow

        Full of REDS!

      • Stephen Barlow

        As IF?????

        Since the ALAMO, the Texas Tower, Dallas Bridge and BOTH BUSH MONSTERS in the WHORE HOUSE!!!!!

        I’ll slasamyaJohnsonNam
        but JOOOguyd gotta swallowNixonjism!

      • Ryuk918

        Aww. This guy thinks because tree is illegal in certain places that people don’t smoke. That’s adorable.

      • commonman481

        I disagree. The people who are smoking marijuana illegally now are the same people who will smoke marijuana legally. That’s more factual than the statement that you made.

      • Montanabear

        commonman481, I am sure you are right and that is what people here in Washington State told me, too.
        Fine and good, but there will be those who think they would like to “try” it just out of curiosity and there is the danger. They don’t know their level of tolerance, they often don’t know of the strength of the product they purchase and that can lead to unforeseen and undesired consequences.
        A week after legalization, I observed a woman putting nail polish on her toes, while stirring with her feet; another woman closing her gas tank with a cigarette in her hand; more people running red lights than I previously saw. I am not sure whether that is normal in our state, but it did make me think.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Well, you guys DID manage to rope more dopes for this election than the educated people did.

      • Heather McCammon

        Wrong, people can be dumb it is not just a stoner trait.

      • Chi Man Sam

        Look at the people who voted for Bush, TWICE!!!!

      • Montanabear

        Heather – you get a star for that !

      • doughnuts64

        Just like when the 21st Amendment was ratified, and the country immediately collapsed into years of drunken anarchy.
        Oh, wait…

      • Thebob

        Sorry, but this comment makes you the stupid one, sorry but look at good ole barry he poked smot….oops I mean smoked pot, ganja, mary jane, wacky weed, not to mention slick Willie, and just about every president we have ever had. Oh, yeah hemp is one of the major crops that created this country…..history doesn’t talk about that. Also before WWII hemp was grown and harvested all over the country until 3M decided it’s nylon rope, which is junk, needed to corner the rope market. The only reasons Marijuana is illegal at all in this country is strictly due to racism and crony capitalism…3M was the major proponent lobbying to make it illegal, also the first drug czar was an out spoken racist and was his racist ideals were what pushed the prohibition on pot…Learn your history before you speak next time. Oh, the major reason it hasn’t been legalized now is because of the big pharma and private owned prison that trade on the stock market in human trafficking, over 50% of prisons are filled with non-violent marijuana position charged people…with out these our prison would be used to house proper criminals but since crime has been and still continues to be at the lowest it has ever been in this country these poor prison companies wouldn’t have their illegal prisons full, less profits, less share holders, no more money…..

      • Guest

        You’re Awesome!

      • regressive teaparty trash

        im impressed!! Ive fought with you before but I will commend U highly upon the accuracy of this post!!!

      • Thebob

        Why thank good Sir, at least you are smart enough to see and know the facts when they are presented to you.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        the I have a treat for you–
        PLEEEEEEEEEZ read ” AMERICAS CONSERVATIVE ROAD TO DESTRUCTION,,,,A BRIEF HISTORY” posted aug 10 2014 on THE BLUE ROUTE by bruce bacon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it is fraught with verified facts; chronologically entered and unfortunately it does show a bleak outlook if its implementation continues
        ========================================
        get back to me when U read it

      • Thebob

        Read Cloward and Piven and get back to me. Don’t care about your bias opinion blogs views. I don’t like either party in our government they are both on the same agenda, which is to have complete control over the citizens….We the people are the idiots who let this happen.

      • Dana M. Fischbeck Arluna

        “Licit and illicit drug” By Edward M Breacher and the publishers of Consumer Report Magazine and learn the real facts

      • mikesboat6

        I don’t think you understand what you are reading because
        Mr. Koch was trying to stop communism/socialism from coming to this country.
        The founding fathers said big government will eventually destroy this country
        from within. What do you see happening as we speak, socialism is taking hold in
        American because of all social programs that was put in place by democrats and
        by the way the republicans is the ones who passed the affirmative act bill, not
        the democratic. This programs will change and collapse what the founding father
        warned us about. The Republican Party believes you need to support yourself and
        not rely on the government like the democrats do. There is nothing for free,
        someone has to pay and the people receiving should be the one paying not the
        other way around. I wish the universities would teach the truth and not fill
        the students head full of crap.

      • JOHN McCARTHY NUDE ARREST

        would be the GOP which wants JEEEEE$U$ in legislation,,,,, practices non constitutional gerrymandering to suppress/alter voting results,,,,wants gays to NOT have EQUALITY ( see: bill of rights; ETC) and TRIES2 tell women what they can and nnot do with their OWN body,,,,,and only lowers tax on billionaire “job creators” —disproven moniker here– while sending thousands of OUR soldiers to and be maimed in a war based upon LIES whilst enriching certain (HAL) massive friendly corporations??? that GOP??? lemme know– we will eagerly wit4 ur idiotic spin away from what I wrote above

      • regressive teaparty trash

        well; that explains why todays GOP hates women and gays and minorities; eh? ( see: state and federal legislative efforts)

      • Montanabear

        But Thebob is putting the cart before the horse ! We cannot say : ” o.k., all the people incarcerated for possession are released !” They still violated the law. If we disagree with the law, we can change it, as was done in Colorado and Washington State. Then, and only then, can those inmates be released.
        The law is still the law, whether we agree with it or not. Since citizens have it within their power to change this law, it would be a terrible precedence to anticipate legalization based on public comments. I mean, really :
        what would be next ? I don’t even want to begin imagining it.

      • Progressives need to slow down

        The sole reason it’s not legal is because nobody can prove that it is good for your health. A glass of wine aka alcohol has been proven to be “healthy”. Proven may mean bought but nonetheless it’s proven.

      • Montanabear

        If you put that in your search engine, you will find that every time you “inhale”, you inhale more toxins than you do with regular cigarettes. There is nothing in it that is good for your health. It is numbing and making people docile, which helps certain groups.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        better than dumbass DRUNKS who kill millions a year driving,,,,,,,,,,,
        sounds like U jes’ might be a white trash regressive alky!

      • Montanabear

        It was to be expected : when people run out of factual arguments, they resort to name calling and foreclose all further discussion.
        The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence for thinking, informed citizens. We should honor that by informing ourselves from all sources.
        That is what the First and precious Amendment is about : people of different minds can speak up freely, both for their own benefit as well as for the benefit of those who would like to learn about both sides.
        Ponder that.

      • Chi Man Sam

        The only dumb ass people are those Ammosexuals who keep falling for that government taking away you second amendment rights, by the way I hear your local gun shop is having its 5TH annual “Obama’s gonna get you gun” sale, better stock up this time its for real!

      • RoniKaye

        People who are going to smoke pot already smoke pot be it legally or illegally. De-criminalizing pot is not going to mean everyone rushes out and starts smoking. I don’t smoke it, never have, never will.

      • Montanabear

        Roni, that is what people in the state of Washington told me after pot was legalized. I, too, have never been tempted – life was too interesting to dope myself out of it.
        If people would rather zone-out, let them. But change the laws in the legal way !

      • mikesboat6

        Just look at france, they said its a good idea to legalize drugs and now there is epidemic of drug users and guess who is paying for the rehabilitation(the tax payers). Before you change the laws, there might be a reason its there in the first place.

    • tumbleweed

      I agree with legalizing pot, but lets tax the churches also.

      • Thebob

        You are dumb, churches don’t make income….

      • regressive teaparty trash

        really? U are a “speshul” type of stupid; aintcha?

      • Rob Banks

        Churches own property.

      • myopinion55

        Catholics and Mormons own lots of property, cash, gold and marble buildings worth millions

      • Montanabear

        So do atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Hindus etc.
        What’s your point ?

      • Asquith

        They should pay tax.

      • Thebob

        So do I, your point is?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        the point is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, churches (etc) are businesses and should be taxed
        *****************************************************
        or,,,,,,,did U “fergit” the topic already???

      • Thebob

        A church is a business….hmm confused here, what product does a church produce or provide for a profit? And Organization yes a traditional business no. If that is the case the same should go for Universities and schools also. They are essentially businesses also and should be taxed the same way.

      • Connor

        It provides a service. Live entertainment readings from a 3000 year old book and wine drinking, with collections for donations towards the church to fuel their flamboyant needs.

      • Montanabear

        Yup ! Very flamboyant indeed :
        Churches, monasteries, schools, hospitals, rehabilitation centers, hospices, retirement homes, care centers.

      • myopinion55

        Well, if they are non-profit, great but most of them are profit-making private businesses even though they are providing services and should be taxed just like all other businesses. If they are really doing God’s work why do they need a profit?

      • Montanabear

        Why are you so stubborn ? Parochial schools perform far better than Common Core schools, which have been bringing the scores down. The churches need a profit so that they can equip their schools with necessary technology, libraries, scholarships. For their hospitals, they need to stay up-to-date with the latest innovations in health care, which cost a mighty Penny.
        If we tax the churches, taxes from all of us would have to pay for those things.

      • myopinion55

        LOL I didn’t know disagreeing meant I was stubborn. Well, if that is so (that all the profit goes to equip schools and services to needy) then I would agree with you. But they would have to show that they are not using profits to build more gold and marble cathedrals.

      • Montanabear

        Why ? The money was given to them voluntarily and it is theirs to use where they think it should be applied.l
        I don’t believe that there are an excessive number of “gold and marvel” cathedrals.

      • myopinion55

        BTW there is a huge renovation going on at the Vatican right now. Wonder where the money is coming from for that?

      • Montanabear

        You don’t need to wonder long : most of it comes from voluntary donations by people who like to donate their money for it. Or do you think you should tell them what to do with their own money ? I know – certainly not.
        One more thing I could think of : hospitals and other facilities in the third world.

      • Montanabear

        Kudos for your creative style of writing !
        May be you would like to delve more deeply into the uses that these properties are put to ? Churches, monasteries, schools, hospitals, rehabilitation centers, hospices, retirement homes, care centers.
        Many of those reduce our expenditures. Ponder that !

      • mag00

        I really, really hope you’re being sarcastic.

      • Montanabear

        Right. Let’s give people who can’t cope with their lives a means to tune out. God forbid we give them some purpose !

    • Thebob

      I can agree with this also even being on the other side of ya’ll… Legalize it and our country will be a producer again and over take China as #1 economy with in 5 years or sooner. I also think this could completely eliminate our National Debt, improve our schools and Universities; but first you have to get rid of the teachers union scum so we can fire bad teachers and professors….Get people hire that actually want to teach and fire the ones that are just there for a 9mo. a year job……Most teachers are scum only a small % are actually effective and do their job as intended.

      • Stephen Barlow

        MJ has NOTHING to do with teachers and there are more good teachers in the union than their are Republicans trying to harm them.

      • Thebob

        LMAO, I can remember 1 teacher my entire school life that I actually truly learned something from and she was a retired teacher who still did substitutions, she cared, she did her job. All the others eh, or just scum…like our football coach/math teacher who couldn’t teach an adult what 4+4 was….but hes a good FB coach so keep him around….total shit..Every single football player took his classes to stay qualified so they could play, something seriously f’ed up about that… ALSO I DON”T LIKE REPUBLICAN EITHER they are all the same and are all trash….just like you my friend, but you don’t live in the real world you left wing nut job…And yes teacher’s have everything to do with our future the demo-crap retards have been injecting this stupid socialist elitist bs and brain washing our children which our are future. Politics DO NOT BELONG IN CHILDRENS schools…..Teachers raise our children more than most parents do these days. They spend more time with kids than the parents do, because just about every citizen in the country is walking around with their head up their ass or someone else ass…..probably just like you hows the view mate….
        Just wait till Colorado, Wash. Oregon, AK have the best schools in the country, best tech. in those schools, the best roads, state economies….Legalizing it regardless for use either recreational or industrial would change everything in this country…..SO yes it has a lot to with teacher’s….may not be direct tie, but indirectly would effect our schools, children, and yes teacher’s….

      • Stephen Barlow

        I see. You were a homework exempt jock who got by because you liked to get naked and soapy with a bunch of guys 5 times a week.

        No WONDER those SCUM were anathema to you! That retired sub didn’t have to give you a GRADE for NOT doing your work!!!!

        LMAO YOU are why we NEED MORE union teachers!

      • Thebob

        I didn’t play sports in high school I was stoner….Sorry dude wrong again you noob….As all Unions at one time had were created for a good purpose but all have been infected with scum like yourself…The Teacher’s Union is the worst of them all. I have 3 teachers in my family every single one of them hates their Union and wish they could leave it, but you can’t unless you just don’t want to teach anymore….All 3 are great teacher’s and generally care about their students….The unions are trash now, just another political organization touting leftist, socialist, and libtard views….I personally don’t like either side you all are trash and each have done their part in destroying this country…It’s uninformed voter’s like yourself that have voted for just because there was a D next to their name, don’t even care to know what that person may actually stand for.You sound like a homophobe also.

      • Stephen Barlow

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      • wendy

        The teachers in your family can’t possibly be from NYC. Parents don’t like the UFT, but if ur a teacher in NY, u have it made! They get anything they ask for and our kids get Nada.

      • Thebob

        Not NY, but maybe worse off. If you want to coach a sport in our state be a teacher get tenured and boom you get paid to not teach and to not really even coach. Pretty much just sit on their asses for 9 months a year.

      • wendy

        Sad. They gave NY teachers an extra week off in Feb. Presidents week…only a couple of months before spring break. Only in NY I think. They must’ve belly ached they don’t get enough time off. Meanwhile the school doesn’t have $$ for supplies but our teachers sitting pretty :/

      • Sherri Lucas-Gibson

        Thats just not true Thebob They can always go to a right to work state if they feel they don’t want the protection of a bad union.

      • Thebob

        Protection of a bad union….Most if not all Unions are bad these days….(They also don’t provide protections unless you are a police officer.) They don’t respect their paying members wishes and do as they please….Also kinda hard to leave a job when you have 15 years teaching in a school and a family already well situated. We shouldn’t have to have a Right To Work Law plain and simple. If you don’t want to pay union dues you shouldn’t have to to be able to work period. Also my sister did move, same state, but had a hell of a time finding another job because she was Too Qualified for them to give her a position. All that means is they are broke and refuse to pay her Masters Degree in teaching salary…She even said she would take a lower pay, Nope…They hired a brand new teacher right out of college….

      • Montanabear

        in that case, you might ask your teaching relatives about the proper use of apostrophes.

      • Thebob

        I like how this libtard site deletes posts..Not typing out what I said before but I wasn’t a jock back in school. I watched the jocks skate by and get out of trouble all because they played football….I was labeled as a stoner back in school…so yeah Blow me you pos.

      • Stephen Barlow

        The OTHER dumb useless f*cks. THat REALLY explains more than we ever wanna know. You are summarily dismissed and asked to NEVER return.

      • Montanabear

        Thebob – sour grapes, may be ?

      • Montanabear

        Thebob – that sounds like a pipe dream ! hahaha

  • Don’t forget the ‘real’ unemployment rate which is how many people *really* aren’t working which is at 11.8%… Which is LESS than President Bush’s last of 14.2% (and down from its high of 17.4%).

    • Mrs_oatmeal

      The same math has been used from the same place that has figured this statistic forever. Can’t change it to be different than how you figured Bush’s numbers. Oh, yea, facts…

    • Rolle Diaz

      Oh quit… If that was the case then Bush numbers would be 15% higher then posted

      • Stephen Barlow

        DOUBLE

        The GOP commissioned Gallup poll, Specifically targeting the semi employed…, NEVER applied BACK DATED to cover the UNDER EMPLOYED under Bush….

        Add in the Overseas Quotient of HOW many million jobs (fulltime stats only.)? Now add in the GALLUP coefficient of 100%ism and VoilAllahlalalala la la la…

        Bush lost TWO million jobs a month!!!

  • Macdoodle

    Where is the chart showing the increase in national debt?

    • Mrs_oatmeal

      Two unfounded wars to finish had something to do with that. Oh, yea, and the tax cuts for corporations… And don’t feed me the debt ceiling being raised! That was to cover monies we already owed.

      • Stephen Barlow

        You maple and BROWN sugar, or Apples and SIN a man Mrs. O?

      • Nannette McGowan

        Do your research and you’ll find that No War EVER in the history of this country has ever been FUNDED (?unfounded?) or Paid For. Not WWI, not WWII, not Korea, not Vietnam, not Obama’s military force in Libya or currently in Iraq.

        That was just spin created by John Kerry’s campaign in 2004. All wars have been funded with off budget appropriations, therefore none of them have been Paid For.

        Nobody on here is talking about the Debt Ceiling and, even if they were, that topic is always a moot point.

      • Stephen Barlow

        BUT!!!!! THat have ALL been fought “ON the books”

        ONLY the OIL WAR was a “second ledger” operation.

      • Nannette McGowan

        That is a bald faced lie that you are perpetuating. All wars throughout the history of this country have been funded with Appropriation Bills separate from the Annual Budget. They have always been added to the National Debt so they aren’t hidden costs.

        By what you’re suggesting, did they know Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked ahead of time and add the costs to the Budget. No, they didn’t. Do they simply say “You need to end the war today because you’ve already spent what the Budget allows.” No they don’t.

        Stephen, you are exposing how little you know about how Congress works by repeating these lies. You are an example of a typical uninformed voter, the kind Democrats prey on.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Grow UP honey!

        “The most obvious way in which the true cost of this war was kept hidden was with the use of supplemental appropriations to fund the occupation. By one estimate, 70% of the costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan between 2003 and 2008 were funded with supplemental or emergency appropriations approved outside the Pentagon’s annual budget. These appropriations allowed the Bush administration to shield the Pentagon’s budget from the cuts otherwise needed to finance the war, to keep the Pentagon’s pet programs intact and to escape the scrutiny that Congress gives to its normal annual regular appropriations.

        With the Iraq war treated as an “off the books” expense, the Pentagon was allowed to keep spending on high-end military equipment and cutting-edge technology. In fiscal terms, it was as if the messy wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were never happening.

        More fundamentally, the Bush administration masked the cost of the war with deficit spending to ensure that the American people would not face up to its costs while President Bush was in office.”

        us-public-defrauded-hidden-cost-iraq-war

        The Guardian . com

      • Nannette McGowan

        “honey”??? Misogynist much???

        The DOD and Pentagon funding in the Annual Budget have NEVER included war costs. They’ve ALWAYS been funded by separate Appropriation Bills. They did so in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, and every war in this country’s entire history.

        The “of the books” propaganda was created by the John Kerry campaign for president in 2004. Although he voted to approve both the war in Afghanistan as well as Iraq, his only claim to fame was as a war protestor and made his entire campaign opposing war.

        I can’t help it if you prefer to ignore the fact that the federal government reports the Annual Budget, Annual Budget Deficit, the National Debt increases and all spending annually. So you’re either pretending you don’t know this or you actually are unaware of the process. These figures were NEVER hidden and went through the same process every war in the history of this country has gone through.

        At a time when Obama is expected to double the National Debt to over $22 Trillion by the end of his second term, when Obama’s accrued increases in the National Debt are going to be more than double what Bush accrued, you are complaining about Bush’s spending??? Ha! Do you not see the hypocrisy in that???

      • Stephen Barlow

        NAME the 2003, 04 ,05, 05 ,06 ,07 ,08

        SEPARATE war cost APPROPOTIATIONS BILL.

        LOOK @ the TREASURY ledger for 2009.

      • Nannette McGowan

        Since you know so little about how our government works, let me explain this to you. So Congress, both the House and the Senate voted to APPROVE the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. That included votes of approval by Hillary, Kerry, Biden and a vast majoritry of Democrats. After that was done, periodically they voted on a Continuing Resolution on the original Appropriations Bill to cover funding. Duh.

      • Stephen Barlow

        YEP, a BLANK CHECK for BUSH, all ‘recorded’ with under the table accounting.

        You seem to think that you don’t need to PROVE you claims. Because online, here… you can’t just pop a blouse button and grab a guys wallet. We’re treating you like a grown up here babe. ACT LIKE ONE!

        The public votes are not now, nor never have been the issue in this discussion. What is in contention is whether George W Bush intentionally HID the war costs from the tax payer while he was bilking them for BOTH the war and the crony taxcuts.

        the EVIDENCE says he did. If NOT, the HOW did Obama manage to put the war expense BACK ON THE BOOKS in January 2009?

      • Stephen Barlow

        I think you are jim Bean in a skirt hon. WHY is it impossible for a RED to give an honest answer?

      • Stephen Barlow

        When the snark fits, wear it nannybabe.

      • raybbr

        No, Nannette, progressives/liberals NEVER see hypocrisy. Remember Obama’s advisor Cass Sunstein? He wrote a book titled Why Societies Need Dissent”. Justified all kinds of dissent – until he and wife, Samantha Powers, got into the WH. Now, dissent is to be quashed at all costs.

        Thanks for posting on this thread. I do try as well to educate the economic illiterate on these types of stories but have found as long they remain on the government teat it’s impossible to teach them economic reality. For them the only reality they know comes from Big Brother.

      • Jim Bean

        How much of that war money was spent on military equipment, wages, food, and clothing for military personnel? In other words, how much of it would have been called a ‘economic stimulus package’ if Dems had wanted it?

      • Stephen Barlow

        None. But it WOULD have been an upfront, on the books event (just like it became AFTER an honest man took the White House) with traceable expenses and payments. ONLY Bush EVER had no bid Defense contracts for the VICE President and his subsidiaries.

        NO OTHEr President EVER contracted Defense spending the way Bush gave out halloween Candy EVERY DAY for 7 YEARS!!

      • Jim Bean

        Just because your trusted news sources hasn’t told you about something doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

        ‘No Bid Contracts Jump 9 Percent Under Obama.’ (Huffington Post, March 13, 2013.) Look it up.

      • Stephen Barlow

        From the same article: “The Pentagon last year spent about $100 billion on no-bid contracts, the most of any federal agency, compared with $90 billion in fiscal 2009. The Department of Defense didn’t provide a comment for this story.

        “We compete for many of our contracts, while in other cases we are awarded single-source contracts in those situations where the government determines that is the best course for meeting their requirements,” said Daniel Beck, a spokesman for Chicago-based Boeing.”

        So $10 MILLION MORE in SPECIALIZED PARTS got the FAILED F – 35?” that explains eVERYTHING right there.

        If you read more than the Obamahate headlines… you might actually be credible. All of it took Me 3 minutes. And I haven’t even put coffee in the machine yet.

      • Jim Bean

        All you’ve done is help demonstrate that Obama too (not just Bush), awards no-bid contracts. That’s the point I was making. You’re trying to expand the scope of the discussion to obscure the original issue. Didn’t work.

      • Stephen Barlow

        NO….. As usual You FAILED to understand what you skim.

        the $10 million difference is accounted for in the F-35 project and OTHER FOF programs that have VERY single producer specific needs. an open bid for a specific part would be foolish in such a high tech boondoggle.

        you are ignorant beyond belief!

      • Jefbon85

        That doesn’t change the reality that we have never reduced taxes in prior wars.

      • Nannette McGowan

        Do you remember the Dot Com Bubble collapse of 2000 causing the stock market to crash losing 50% of its value? Maybe you’re too young or just weren’t paying attention in 2000. That caused a recession that Bush inherited from Clinton. That’s why taxes were cut.

        The tax cuts went into effect on June 7, 2001. Bush didn’t have ESP and did not know the 9/11 terrorist attack was going to happen then nor did he know Saddam Hussein would thumb his nose at the U.N. weapons inspectors in 2002. Bush had no idea that we were going to be in wars. Get real. Did Obama know when he was elected that he would be sending military force to Libya? When Obama was bragging about pulling our troops out of Iraq in 2011, did he know he would be sending military force back there in 2014? Nope? Hmmm?

      • Jefbon85

        Wow, Nannette, now you are re-writing history. First, there was no recession when Bush first took office. The recession you refer to lasted from 3/01 to 11/01. Regardless, it was primarily a response to the Fed increasing interest rates to settle the stock markets. It was not severe was not worldwide and WAS NOT a reason for the tax cuts. We were still running a surplus as the first cuts were debated, and the cuts were part of a broader philosophy Bush campaigned on. These cuts, especially the continuation, are responsible for growing debt and have a big impact on income inequality.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Thank you! I bet the little squeeze was all of 6 @ the time. Nanny babe? You old enough to buy beer? Buy condoms and vote?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Yep. If he had attending the security briefing in June – August of 2001, he would have known. But heDIDN’T want to. WHY? He needed a horrific excuse to push his ready made Oil War plans into effect.

        But there was NO LINK to the WTC, the pilots or any of 9/11 and Iraq OR Saddam Hussein. So they had to hold off and come up with a NEW deception and WMD’s were IT!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        NOPE, and BTW, all the Victory Bonds, War Bonds what have you… PAID IN FULL to the bond holders.

        All debts to private contractors up to THIS Gulf War… PAID IN FULL.

      • Nannette McGowan

        Have you enjoyed arguing by yourself on an eleven day old thread? Calling me a crackhead is really childish. If you’re just itching for a fight with someone, anyone, you’ll have to go look somewhere else. My mother recently died and I’m in no mood to deal with your petulent childishness right now.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Sorry for your loss. Grief is a hormonal process too. But THAT explains you mistaken arguments. You are not thinking clearly. you were THINKING like a crack head. Single, mindless purpose… SCORE MORE OF THE SAME.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Look little crackhead. You are cute an all, but you only have a single source of information and I BET you NEVER fact checked it ONCE.

        But UP UNTIL BUSH KEPT this wars expense COMPLETELY OFF THE BOOKS, all war spending was “ON THE BOOKS”. Meaning every penny was accounted for in a NO SECRET ledger. There is NO accounting for the $4 Billion in CASH that disappeared in Iraq. Truckloads of it, with no receipts, no signatures, no trace.

        You don’;t even know what “on the books” means do you sweetie?

      • Stephen Barlow

        BINGO!

    • strayaway

      One has only to imagine a graph going from almost nothing when Washington entered office to $5T when Bush entered office to $10T when he left office eight years later to $17.8T after 8.8 years of Obama. The line is going parabolic. Yet for all that spending and debt, unemployment is still higher (graph 1) than when Obama entered office. Two thirds of the jobs shown on graph 2, as measured from after Obama had been in office one year, pay lower than the jobs lost during the recession and three quarter of that number of new jobs were filled by aliens, legal and otherwise. Wonderful stock market numbers though as shown on graph 3 proving the 1% is doing very well under Obama. It isn’t just the 1% of course. Pension funds and retirees also have to take their money out of traditional savings accounts where interest is held low by the Fed printing money. Its great that the deficits have declined (graph 4) while debt (not shown) has gone up at an accelerating rate under Obama. Raising taxes helps staunch deficits. By raising taxes some more, the deficit could be totally eliminated. The option would be significantly reduce federal spending and we know Obama isn’t going to do that. I love it that Obama is getting credit for discovering fracking technology too (graph 5). Al Gore invented the internet so President Obama should get the credit for inventing fracking. He alreay won the Nobel Peace Prize so why not?

      • Amy Lutz

        So, I take it by your comment about the stock market and the 1% that you do not subscribe to the trickle-down theory? Since that, in essence, is the republican manifest, how do you justify supporting them?

      • strayaway

        I don’t but sometimes one is forced into supporting the lesser of two evils. Also, there is a constitutional liberty faction slowly emerging within the Republican Party and at odds with the much larger status quo part of the Republican Party. The Democratic Party has no such option particularly at the national level. I have voted for third party candidates for president in the last 5 of 7 elections. If the 1% pre-selects Hillary and Jeb in 2016, I’ll be 6 out of 8. Sometimes there isn’t a third option and then the choice is the lesser of two evils.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Please explain (without rancor on My part) WHAT “Constitutional LIBERTY” means
        I gotta hear this one!

      • Scott

        Its just code for ‘Libertarian’ which itself is code for ‘Atheist Republican’

      • Scott

        Riiiiiight the “Constitutional Liberty Faction”. You mean Atheist Republicans.

      • strayaway

        Actually, in one presidential primary, John Huntsman and Ron Paul (proxy for constitutional libertarian) did receive a higher percentage of the atheist vote than other Republicans. Ron Paul also did extremely well in the youth vote. I would imagine but am guessing that Paul also did well among people who had tried marijuana.

      • Stephen Barlow

        And this NONSENSE is IMPORTANT HOW?

      • wendy

        Dismantling the party system would get voters to actually choose the best candidates. Economists should run the economy, not politians..Just a fantasy. Where politians can’t play strategic games with our lives based on their ideologies. The only chance to not be the Divided states and maybe become closer to our country’s name.

      • Lisa Lee

        Unemployment is not higher than when Obama entered office. It was at 7.8% when he entered office in Jan 2009. It is 5.9% as of Sept 2014.

      • strayaway

        I looked it up. CBS says you are right. I stand corrected.

      • Stephen Barlow

        TY. And a CREDIBLE SOURCE @ that!!!

      • Philip Brooks

        In all my years of reading literally millions of web comments this is the very first time I have ever seen someone write “I stand Corrected” Brava Strayaway!

      • Stephen Barlow

        Missed about 17 of Mine

      • Stephen Barlow

        Wow! I am proud of you stray! Must be addicted to penguins or something!

        PS? EVERY BODY except Breitfart and Fox says she was always right.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        another reason I “like” you————– U ( unlike jim bean and others) will show when U are wrong
        =========================================
        keep up the good work!

      • Stephen Barlow

        THANK you!

      • Stephen Barlow

        8,8 years of Obama, TWO YEARS BEFORE his term is over?

        Please unBullshi* this.

      • Jeff Anspach

        UE was 7.8% (and crashing and burning towards double figures) when Obama took over. It is now 5.8%.

        Why do conservatives continue to LIE about this president’s record???

      • strayaway

        Already addressed above. You are late coming to the party. Obama also handed every man woman and child over $24,000 of federal debt so far. ($7.8T/314M)
        What did you get for your $24,000 that you will now have to pay back that was better than using that money to pay your own bills?

      • Jeff Anspach

        Actually not late, I didnt realize there was a certain time I had to read and reply to your post. You on the other hand should be more careful about typing bold faced lies that are easily disproven. It tends to hurt your credibility in future posts.

        Oh and I guess bush with his 2 unfunded wars, medicare part D, dept of homeland security, auto bailout, no child left behind, etc didnt contribute a penny to the debt? Again, your credibility takes a hit when you try making it seem like 100% of the debt is due to Obama when nothing could be further from the truth.

      • strayaway

        I didn’t suggest there was a certain time. I did point out that someone had previously brought up the same point and I had responded. Your post was therefore redundant and indicative of someone who hadn’t read through previous posts. I guess you didn’t want to respond to my challenge about what you got for the $24,000 of debt Obama had assigned you either.

        I just skimmed through your previous posts. You are safe in that your posts tend to be statistically free cliches. Let’s just take your first cliche from your last post as an example.

        “His two unfunded wars” Bush has not been President for 6.8 years. Senator Obama said that ending the Iraq War would be the first thing he would do as President. He lied. As Senator, he always voted to fund those wars as per Bush’s requests. Obama funded them with debt. As President, with two years of Democratic congressional control, he kept those wars going. In fact, he didn’t take the troops out of Iraq until one month before the deadline imposed by the Iraqi Parliament while trying to negotiate an extended stay. Now he sent about 3,500 troops back into Iraq without the consent of Congress. Over 70% of US casualties in Afghanistan were under Obama. Bin Laden is presumably dead, Al Queda was driven out but US troops are still in Afghanistan. Why? But you want to blame Bush. How pathetic. I didn’t even vote for Bush. Even your assumptions don’t fly.

      • Jeff Anspach

        I will address the $24k as soon as you address my question of is obama 100% responsible for every single penny of the debt we have today.

        Obama withdrew us from Iraq and had Bush just invaded afganistan and never invaded Iraq over wmds that never existed, it is likely Obama never has to ramp up the war in Afganistan. What an absolute failure the iraq war of george w bush was. It is the reason ISIS is there today, you know. Obama got bin laden in 2.5 years while bush apologized for him in the 7+ years after 911. Yeah, real leadership there by bush.

        And I have to say for someone who never voted bush and tries painting hmself as an independent, you surely come off a george w bush apologist.

      • strayaway

        Oh good. I never claimed that Obama is “100% responsible for every single penny of the debt we have today” so don’t try to put words into my mouth. Bush added $5T to the federal debt over his 8 years. Every other president including Washington added another $5T of debt. Obama has so far added $7.8T in 6.8 years and some think Obama’s debt will equal those of every other president by the end of his 8 years. Sure there was some spill over from Bush partly due to things Obama voted for as Senator like keeping the Iraq war going, supporting Bush’s wall Street bailout, and retroactively adding some money to Bush’s last budget for his stimulus package. But this is 6.8 years later and you are still making excuses for Obama’s limp economy. Truman: the buck stops here. Obama: its Bush’s fault. Even if Obama raised taxes enough to cut the deficit in half, he will still double Bush’s debt. Where is the $2,500/year health care plan savings he promised? Why didn’t he end the Iraq War as soon as he became president as he promised? Answer: Obama lies.

        Obviously, you aren’t going to vote for Hilary who voted to give Bush her Congressional power to declare war. I think Bush should be in jail by the way and don’t consider Obama to be his better. You wrongly presume that I was a Bush supporter. Obama serves the same corporate puppet masters as Bush.

      • Jeff Anspach

        “Obama’s limp economy”….how hilarious, considering the UE rate is now 5.8, down a full 2% from what it was the day he was sworn in. I mean you DO remember how it was back then, losing 750K jobs a month? DO you realize how many jobs that is? That is like a town the size of maybe Tucson or Austin seeing every single person lose their job in a month. Whats sad is that had a repubican presided over this great recover, many would be clamoring to add that guys head to mt rushmore. BUt other folks call it a “limp” economy. I guess some folks dont really know, or care to acknowledge, the state of the economy Obama inherited from George W Bush.

      • strayaway

        Jeff, you wrote, “I will address the $24k as soon as you address my question of is obama 100% responsible for every single penny of the debt we have today.” You broke your promise. Instead, you suggest the 5.8% official unemployment rate is somehow good without even acknowledging that Obama put us each over $24,000 into debt to achieve a worse then mediocre unemployment rate and ignore 1) that the percentage of the population in the workforce is at near all time lows, 2) 2/3 of all new jobs since the recession pay less than the average job lost during the recession, and 3) three quarter of all those new jobs have gone to foreigners -legal or otherwise.

        Faced with 11.3% unemployment early on in his administration, President Harding cut taxes and spending. He was rewarded two years later with 3.6% unemployment. Obama instead just gives us more debt and excuses. What a loser. Americans understood that on election day. You don’t.

      • Jeff Anspach

        You are so afraid to admit how much the economy has improved under Obama from what he inherited from george w bush. And I have to ask myself, why are you so scared?? And “americans” last saw Obama’s name on the ballot in 2012. I dont think I need to remind you how that turned out, or maybe I do, since you dont seem to recall the state of the economy in January of 2009. You can whine about how the UE rate is calculated, but unless you can PROVE it is calculated differently today than it was in January of 2009, you again have nothing.

      • strayaway

        Obama has put a $7.8T bandage on a cancer. It does make it look nicer. Think of it like this. I borrow $24,000 from the bank and buy myself a new car. I park it on my driveway. The neighbors might think I am doing pretty well for myself because I bought a new car. The problem I have is that I now owe an extra $24,000 so I can no longer afford to help my kid out with college, take vacations for the next ten years, or add on to the house. But our situation is worse. Obama sent a bill for $24,000 for every person in my house and every other house in the US without putting new cars in my driveway. That’s why you can’t answer my question about what you got in return for all the debt Obama handed you. Wait until we get the bill for the new cold war Obama drifted into.

      • Jeff Anspach

        I wont answer your question until you answer this one: What did you get in return for the massive debt George W Bush gave you, or does debt only count when a black man gives it to ya? Seriously you make no sense. You also still havent answered my question on if we are better off today than January of 2009. Again, you are scared of answering. Please stop apologizing for george w bush and pretending you dont support him. It’s really obvious.

      • strayaway

        A few posts ago you wrote, “I will address the $24k as soon as you address my question of is obama 100% responsible for every single penny of the debt we have today.” I did. You broke your word. You are a liar. I am glad you brought out the race card though. That is always an admission of defeat sort of like bringing up Hitler; a pathetic last straw from the defeated. I didn’t get anything from the massive debt Bush gave us but a bill. I didn’t get anything from the even more massive debt Obama has given us either. Obama’s debt is already 56% greater than Bush’s debt. I don’t remember you asking anything about being better off than in January of 2009. My answer to your imagined question though is that I am worse off now than in January of 2009 and in many ways, so is the Country with the additional debt, higher health insurance premiums, renewed cold war, a colossal failure of middle eastern policy, and a President determined to create a Constitutional crises it seems. You are also delusional or have poor reading comprehension if you think I apologized for George Bush.

      • Jeff Anspach

        At least I didnt LIE about the value of the unemployment rate today vs what it was in January of 2009. And no, Obama’s debt is not more than bush’s. Bush took over with a record surplus. He left us with a 10 trillion dollar deficit. It is now 18 T. I wanna see the math you learned that taught you that 8 > 10. THAT is why I dont reply to your silly question – you have proven to be a liar and now you are throwing other shit out there that simply doesnt make sense.

      • strayaway

        I realize that numbers do not make sense to you but you lied about answering my question if I answered yours. What did you get for the $24,000 of debt that Obama handed everyone in your family? Bush started out with a $5T debt and left office after 8 years with $10T debt. Enter Obama who began with a $10T debt and has run it up to $17.8T debt in 6.8 years. Obama’s $7.8T>Bush’s $5T.

      • Jeff Anspach

        NO, bush inherited a record surplus from Bill Clinton and began squandering it immediately. Therefore, Bush actually created a debt of at least 10T since thats what he left with.

        You still havent answered my question as to why the economy is so horrible now compared to Jan 09 when compared to every possible measure available. Maybe you just cant?

      • strayaway

        You claimed you asked if we were better off. I think you imagined that you asked that question. Although I couldn’t find that question, I answered it anyway. In your faulty recollection, you did not ask “why”. You asked “if”. I am beginning to understand your support of Obama. You live in your imagination it seems. I already answered your newest imaginary question in my last post. Then you top it off by making a complete fool of yourself by claiming “Bush actually created a debt of at least 10T since thats what he left with.” No, he came into office with a $5T debt and left with a $10T debt. He created $5T, not $10T, of debt. (10-5=5) I think I am through with you here realizing that I am wasting my time and space on this site fending your delusions. Rx -get some sleep.

      • Jeff Anspach

        Actually clinton left bush a surplus, so no, no deficit inherited by bush. You must be thnking of what Obama inherited from Bush. So yes, you lied about the UE rate under Obama and you clearly dont have a clue about anyt of the facts so i am done with you too. Keep on spreading those lies and disinformation, you seem to do it well.

      • strayaway

        In your previous post, you referred to debt with reference to Bush. In this post you refer to deficit on reference to Bush. This is the third instance in which you couldn’t even keep track of what you wrote in your own posts. You really have to get your act together.

      • Jeff Anspach

        So do you, for saying Clinton left bush a debt when in fact he left him with a record surplus. Also, stop lying about the UE rate under Obama, it really hurts your credibility.

      • strayaway

        What I wrote was, “BUSH came into office with a $5T debt and left with a $10T debt. He created $5T, not $10T, of debt. (10-5=5)”. Note that I did not say that Clinton was responsible for any or all of that debt; only that when Bush came into office, there was an existing $5T national debt. You need some help with your reading comprehension. I never even mentioned Clinton except in your imaginary world.

      • Jeff Anspach

        And you need to read chart #4 which shows Obama has presided over the fasted deficit reduction since WW2. And you need to admit he has presided over a great recovery from the bush recession he inherited. And you also need to stop writing bold faced lies about the UE rate under Obama as it really does hurt what little credibility you have. I wont be holding my breath waiting for you to any of this though.

      • strayaway

        You are confusing debt for deficit. Clinton and Gingrich had no deficit during Clinton’s last years in office. However, Clinton inherited about $5T of debt when he entered office and added a bit to it during his first four years in office. That debt was passed along to Bush. Look up the difference between debt and deficit. The federal debt equals accumulated annual federal deficits.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Rolled like a newspaper and shoved where you did use toilet paper today OR yesterday.

    • Nannette McGowan

      Macdoodle, they avoed the National Debt chart because it includes the off Budget appropriations and with just the Budget Deficit, they only have to show debt spending in the Budget. They do this for low information voters who think the National Debt and the Annual Budget Deficit are the same thing when they are NOT.

      I challenge everyone to research and learn the huge differences in the Budget Deficit and the National Debt. Regardless of who is in charge, you’ll better understand the excessive debt spending by our government.

      • Stephen Barlow

        BUSH was that MASTER of OTB accounting
        HALF the DEBT is obama Being HONEST on the balance sheet.

      • Nannette McGowan

        You have no idea what you are talking about. All Debt Spending is accrued annually and added to the National Debt annually. It can’t be moved around and put on some imaginary balance sheet.

        You also missed my point completely. The Budget Deficit is misleading (and is annual so it can’t include previous spending) but looking at National Debt increases will give you a real picture of federal government spending.

        Appropriations may not be included in the Annual Budget (Obama has plenty of appropriations, too) but they are NOT off the books since they are included in annual National Debt increases. And that is exactly why I suggest you ignore Budget Deficits and only look at National Debt increases.

      • Stephen Barlow

        WAR debt for 5 years ADDED to the DEBT AFTER 2009.
        Stimulus, UN NECESSARY IF Bush had simple WATCHED the economy…
        INTEREST on Bushes DOUBLING of the DENBT with TAX CUTS….

        Are you really THAT stupid?

      • Nannette McGowan

        Pure bunk. Baloney. Are YOU really that stupid? Hid the war debt for 5 years even though Congress was controlled by Democrats after the 2006 election. Do some research and you’ll find it was added to the National Debt totals each year. Get real.

        The repeal of Glass/Stegall was in 1999 and opened the door for “creative lending” that led to the housing bubble. Bush had 3 hearings with concerns over inflated housing costs and possible market collapse. Chris Dodd(D) and Barney Frank(D) are both on video tapes in those hearings pushing further expansion of the housing market and encouraging Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (federal conservatorships) to buy more bundled mortgages so more creative lending could occure. Barney Frank said, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” of the housing bubble and then talked about how it was helping to grow the GDP.

        The housing bubble collapse crashed the economy. The president couldn’t personally create the housing bubble or its collapse.

        You’re a typical liberal fool. I bet you hold Bush responsible for actually creating hurricane Katrina while you think Obama is not to blame for ANY of his failures over the past 6 years. Maybe you should rethink that since the Democrats are running away from Obama in order to get re-elected tomorrow. They won’t even admit that they voted for him.

      • Stephen Barlow

        NO NO Nanette! BACK THAT UNTAX/TAX CUT truck the F*ck up!!!!

        The war was OFF THE BOOKS until BUCH went and hid in the sand in Crawford.

        But explain the HUGS bump AFTER Bush escaped?

      • Nannette McGowan

        Stephen, you are a LIAR. There’s no difference in how Bush’s wars were paid for when compared to ALL previous wars, LIAR.

      • Stephen Barlow

        When you are less than just a mindless vagina, INVENTING A REASON TO GO TO WAR AND KILL PEOPLE WHOLESALE!

        Is a comparatory ….

        wow
        Words escape Me

        HOW is BUSH’s WAR being “PAID FOR”.?????????

      • Nannette McGowan

        Hmmm? So there were no terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001? So in Clinton’s second term, he and Democrats weren’t complaining about Saddam Hussein not allowing weapons inspectors into Iraq.

        Maybe you should research archived news articles and videos from Clinton’s second term through Bush’s first 2 years in office as sort of a refresher course on the events that led up to the wars.

        So research to find out how Obama’s new war in Iraq is being paid for and you will have your answer. Obama’s war is being paid for just as Bush’s wars were and the same as ALL wars in U.S. history have been paid for.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Nice EaRaTH qUaKe into a a deversion

      • Nannette McGowan

        To call my comment a diversion, not deversion(sic), you must have a reading comprehension disorder. Maybe ADHD or dyslexia?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Mosquito!!!! in DRAG!!!!!!
        how clever?

      • Nannette McGowan: I have read all of your commentary and I must say, while you make several good points, you simply lose the argument in my opinion when you engage in the ad hominem attacks. Calling people stupid or calling them a liar only reinforces the mentality of independent minded individuals, such as myself, who ‘used’ to provide a vote here and there for a republican, however no longer can find it within myself to do so, due to the mentality, arrogance, and “my way or the highway” style of legislating these folks now have; thanks in no small part to the tea party!

        In short, once you began engaging in that behavior you have lost the argument!

    • Lawrence Basford

      The debt continues to rise, but at a slower rate.

    • Stephen Barlow

      There isn’t one. It’s just part of the Fox Fantasy Economics League.

    • regressive teaparty trash

      struggling to be shown to mental midgets such as U who were silent when Reagan and the bush boys were crushing us with debt

  • Alex

    It was a valiant effort, however your first 2 charts are based on unemployment rates, now let me clarify since you much like most people are confused by how that’s different from what it’s suppose to be. See you think when they show that unemployment is below 6% that means that 6% of people are unemployed, actually that’s not what it means. It means that 6% of people have filed for unemployment benefits, the real number(of unemployed people) is anyone’s guess but I’m willing to bet it’s closer to 12% where it’s always been. Now you might be wondering how can that be? Funny you should ask, the Obama administration purposely made sure that they counted the numbers in that manner as to make it seem like unemployment is way WAYYY down.

    • Lisa Lee

      The Obama administration does not count the unemployment numbers. The BLS counts them the same way as they did under the Bush administration.

      • Jason Winget

        these number do not take in account people who have run out of unemployment or those who are underemployed….just saying

      • Brandon K

        You’re right Jason, but the BLS tracks that also. It’s called the U6, and it hasn’t changed all that much since about 1994. People need to get over that argument and just accept that maybe Obama actually has helped the jobs numbers in this country.

      • Jillz

        And another point to consider is the number of people who voluntarily withdrew from active employment and are not currently looking for work. Notable examples, people who used to have to work 2 jobs in order to make ends meet and afford healthcare who are now able to do so without the second job or who can afford to live with only one household income (instead of two).

      • Stephen Barlow

        Thank you, I forgot about THOSE 10 million new healthy people.

      • Stephen Barlow

        By almost 11 million.

      • Stephen Barlow

        if you are NOT wanting to work, going to school or taking some job you don’t want … you are NOT even marginally unemployed. don’t forget that the LYINGUBLICANS also count thr 4 million people who retire each year in that manufactured #.

      • Heather McCammon

        So what do you think the actual was under the last president when is unemployment number was sky high or is this a new rule for Obama?

      • Lance Majirsky

        Who runs the BLS? and how did they get that job?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Mostly Bushies. Sucking the oil spigots of Texas.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Ad the 47%ers in because THEY have no JOBS…

      • Jefbon85

        Someone needs to explain to Stephen Barlow what the 47% number represents. This is the number of people who ultimately have no tax burden after all deductions have been taken. Most are hard working people, not unemployed. Clueless strikes again.

      • Stephen Barlow

        UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
        LLLLLLLLLLLLLY?

        noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

        MOST of Romney’s 47% are RETIREDm Students, under 18, over 65 and nonworking moms.

        Grow the balls to tell them to their FACE you wannna FUC* THEM!

      • Jefbon85

        Again, wrong. They are part of the 47%. But I think I misunderstood your intent, Not the majority. I thought you were agreeing with Alex.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ex palin away!

    • Stephen Barlow

      Considering the CUSTOM, MADE TO ORDER, DESIGNER STATS COMMISSIONED BY THE GOP IN 2009 FROM THE DECIDEDLY GOP BIASED GALLUP POLL COMPANY… (Whom you will seldom notice today since the lost all their credibility selling out to the GOP for propaganda purposes, Like Diebold and Arthur Andersen, who went bankrupt after sacrificing their integrity for Dubya)

      There ARE no comparisons possible. And NONE of the data is FACT CHECKABLE, because Gallup syas they have “confidentiallity” with the victims of their scam.

      So, all things being equal, Using today’s “Quarterback Quotient” to compare Johnny Unitas to Payton Mannning is as much nonsense as even mentioning pseudo statistics like , “Potentially partially, perhaps maybe possibly if it rained on three Wednesdays in March 2011 might have been underemployed..”

      Unemployment for George Bush, if ADJUSTED FOR THE UNDER PAID, UNDER EMPLOYED would HAVE to be extrapolated out to:

      The same exaggerations you are using now. So:

      750,000 JOB LOSSES per month for 9 months, translates (USING YOUR COEFFICIENTS)

      ONEMILLIONFIVEHIUNDREDTHOUSAND job losses per month.

      *not including jobs shipped overseas.

      Ready to own THAT truth!!!

      OH!!!!! Ad in all those Part time job losses that are NOT part of the BLS standard #’s.

      TWO million jobs LOST a month for Bush, 200,000 jobs CREATED per month for Obama.

      • Alex

        Did you just make state that no comparison can be made and then made a comparison? I will remove myself from this debate as you have argued both sides and did yourself in by yourself lol.

      • Stephen Barlow

        RE READ. please….

        A) GOP BOUGHT a customized poll from GaLLUP.

        B) The data points are both anonymous (UNVERIFIABLE) and Specifically random. ANY one of them farts, sneezes or coughs and the results CHANGES!

        C) PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFF?
        Even FOX doesn’t use Gallup any more!
        Because THIS nonsense eroded their cred.

        THUS, A comparison of ick to yuck was made, but you are correct. I compared THIS debunktion to all other RED dysfunction debunctions. ANDDDDDDDD:

        ?Did My self OUT?

      • Alex

        Yes, you argued with yourself, you can keep going if you want I know I’m amused.

      • Stephen Barlow

        TY

    • Nannette McGowan

      Alex is right. The workforce participation rate that has historically been 66%, including under Bush, is at a 38 year low of only 62%. That’s because the administration is giving arbitrary numbers of those they pretend to have quit looking for work and are no longer considered to be unemployed. The U6 number, as opposed to the U3 number, is nearly 12%.

      It’s just amazing that unemployment rates dropped in Sept. of both 2012 and 2014, just before elections, due to a massive number of people supposedly quit looking for jobs and quit being counted as unemployed. Skewing the numbers will come back to bite the Democrats in the near future.

      • Stephen Barlow

        THERE is a # I can almost trust. Workerplace participation!!!

        The “Fragmented workers of America” NUMBER….
        Cross facilitated with the megamicronational equivalency NUMBER…

        I know we are on the same side, but in BASEBALL, 4 Balls is STILL a walk, 3 Strikes is STILL an out. All STATS should be THAT reliable.

        This “potentially not job hunting but semi employed in a possibly temporary job”kind of micro categoization..

        NO smoke
        No mirrors
        Just CRAP math.

        5.9% unemployment decade over decade..
        And MANUFACTURING BULL*HIT OFF THE WALL, UNDER THE TABLE, statistical anomalies sold as facts, doesn’t make his progress through the battle field of obstructionism, stagnation, HATE SPEECH and nonsense …

        LESS.

      • Jefbon85

        There’s a lot that goes into workplace participation. In the U6 measure, all adults are included until the day they die are included. So, all retirees are included. Guess who turned 66 in 2012- the oldest of the baby boomers. The decline in participation rate has been expected for years. Why? The baby boomers are retiring. The youngest boomers just your new 50 this year, so we will see a decline for the next 15 years or so.

      • Stephen Barlow

        AND!!! Concurrantly… is the NEED for the PPACA!!!
        Which powermads ache to kill.

      • Stephen Barlow

        So ALL the 47% of retirees, students, disabled people and stay at home parents are ALL in this garbage #. LMAO.

        HOw many people are actually in the workforce? That is how you graph WORKING PEOPLE in an honest statistic.

        119 MILLION+

        There were 97 million in 1991.

        Bush lost 9 million jobs in 2008 alone.

      • Brandon K

        No he’s not correct. Thats the way the BLS has always tracked the unemployment rate. I remember learning that way back in basic economics in highschool. How is it that people think it’s some kind of inside job? It’s just a fact.

      • Nannette McGowan

        Then just call me a skeptic when it comes to the workforce participation rate numbers and massive numbers of people suddenly quit looking for work just in time to lower the unemployment rate right before elections.

        If the workforce participation rate has historically been 66%, why did it suddenly have huge drops in Sept. of 2012 and in Sept. of 2014. With the IRS and other scandals, I don’t trust this administration’s supposed surveys to estimate how many have quit looking for jobs. I think they’re intentionally skewing the numbers for political reasons.

      • Memo Manzo

        What “Huge drops” are you talking about? Look at the charts. It’s been a steady decline. However, part of the drop is accounted for by seasonal hiring.

      • Stephen Barlow

        RED LIARS ABOUND IN this “Progressive Blog.”

      • Stephen Barlow

        it didn’t. Unemployment has STEADILY been returning form the BUSH “REAL” unemployment # of 23 MILLION down to about 8 Million as Obama put TEN MILLION PEOPLE TO WORK.

      • Nannette McGowan

        Since Democrats took control of the House and the Senate in the 2006 election, making Bush a lame duck president in his last 2 years in office, how is this ALL Bush’s fault. What was the Democrat controlled Congress doing those 2 years? Sitting on their thumbs.

        Now Obama will be a lame duck president in his last 2 years in office, I bet you will blame Congress for all of his failures and give him credit to all of Congress’s successes for the next 2 years. Of course that is the absolute opposite of how Bush was treated but we expect that because of the blatant hypocrisy of the Democrats.

      • Stephen Barlow

        If the RED congress CONTINUES ti implement more BUSH policies, then YES! it’s on them.

        WHY do you THINK that the economic implosion that cut the value of the worlds assets by 60+% was something that happened over night? it took 27 YEARS of REAGANOMIC FAILURE to reach the predictable “critical mass” for it to happen. But BUS FAILED TO WATCH THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, in fact intentionally sabotaged the oversight system through year after year non hirings and defundings the FDIC, FED, and SEC.

        Exactly the same way ignoring his security briefings on the potential of 9/11 to actually ALLOW 9/11 to happen. It was CRUCIAL to his Born Again agenda of forcing Armageddon to make way for the Second Coming. AND to his and Dick Cheney’s WAR FOR OIL plans laid out BEFORE the 2000 Election was corrupted by BOTH, his Governor brother and SCOTUS.

        It took Dubya 7 full years of allowing criminal activity to flourish on Wall Street and in the Mortgage industry and in the energy industry to make the final PUSH to swipe HALF the RETIREMENT MONEY out of the hands of the last three generations!

        It DIDN’T happen over night.

      • Nannette McGowan

        So it’s not enough to blame the 2008 economic downturn on Bush, you go so far as to blame it on Reagan, too. Ha, ha, ha! Too funny. Defunding the FDIC, the SEC and the FED??? Ha, ha ha! You must live in a alternate universe! Too funny. Neither the FDIC or the Federal Reserve (FED) are funded with taxpayers dollars and the SEC is only an oversight committee.

        So the only warning the Democrats have come up with pertaining to Bush’s knowledge of the 9/11 attack was an email stating “Osama bin Laden is determined to attack the U.S.” yet you think that was enough for him to know “when, where and how”??? Clinton was told the same, so why didn’t he stop it sometime in the 3 years it took to implement the plans. You are a joke.

      • Stephen Barlow

        It wasa RED sponsired Gallup Poll that ‘invented that “REAL” unemployment #.

        They SAY they make 30,000 calls a week to get it, but they NEVER allow you to see the ACTUAL CONTACTS.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Please GRAPH the “historic” uhhh “workforce participation” rate since the civil war…

        Since 1900???

        SHOW us all that graph.

      • Jefbon85

        Yeah, not so much, Nannette McGowan. The decline in workforce participation has been forecast and expected for years. Why? The baby boomers are retiring.

      • Stephen Barlow

        @ the rate of 4+ Million per year. Expect it to keep happening for the next 20 years.

      • Missdaisy

        Just because a person is 66, don’t assume they have the means to retire. I know plenty of boomers that are trying to find work, any type to afford to live.

      • deckbose

        Not a bit of that is true.

      • Jillz

        After the implementation of the ACA, some people were able to voluntarily withdraw from active employment since they no longer have to struggle to afford healthcare. I’m sure these people may have some impact on the workforce participation rate.

      • strayaway

        Other people lost their health insurance and had to buy (un)ACA coverage at a higher price so maybe they had to work more or put off doctor visits because of higher deductibles. The average traditional family health care policy went up $1,500 a year to subsidize (un)ACA policies. Obama had promised the price would go down $2,500. He was $4,000 off with his guess. Incidentally, the Department of Health and Human Services just revised the number of new (un)ACA sign ups in 2015 downward by 3.5M leaving 30M uninsured.

      • Stephen Barlow

        That U6 # is a fabrication by Gallup pols, paid for by the RED GOP PARTY SPECIFICALLY to account for the REBUPLICAN disenfranchisement of the American worker.

        Did ANYONE count the total actual job losses throughout President Failures Reaganomic Nonesense? Net job growth for the Bush Misadministration was ZERO for the first time since the Hoover years.

      • Jeff Anspach

        We were losing 750k jobs a MONTH in bush’s final months. Do you care to dispute that???

      • Nannette McGowan

        So Democrats took control of Congress in the 2006 election leaving Bush a lame duck president, just as Obama will be for his last 2 years in office. From January of 2007 to January of 2009, what was Congress doing to save our economy? They just sat on their thumbs? In those last 2 years, the Democrats in Congress pushed for more expansion of the housing bubble that collapsed our economy and killed jobs.

        Now Obama is a lame duck president. I bet you’ll do the absolute opposite as you’ve done to Bush and will credit Obama with the successes of the Republican Congress and blame Congress for Obama’s failures.

    • Jefbon85

      I love how people like Alex think they’ve discovered some unique new measurement. Let me clue you in, Alex. You are describing the U6 measurement, which has been on existence since these measurements have been in existance. The U6 measure has declined at the same rate as the U3 measure since the rates started to drop (U3 being the measure that is reported monthly since these rates existed). Alex, the charts are very real. Your clueless attempt to discredit them is symptomatic of the ignorance killing this country.

      • Alex

        Please throw some more assumptions around, I’m sure it’ll make you seem smarter, and while you’re at it why not put some more words in my mouth, since it’s the only truth you seem to be comprehending.

      • Jefbon85

        I’ll type slowly so you can keep up, Alex. I’ve already explained the difference between U6 and U3 messurements, and a I realize it really bothers you people when facts get in the way of your nonsensical rants. Bit, there is actually more. An increase in the number of people dropping from the job market has been expected for years. Why? THE BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING! The oldest baby boomers turned 66 in 2012. Seriously, Alex, stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

      • Alex

        While you’re typing slowly you might want to spellcheck slower, I’m sorry that facts that exist in reality don’t coincide with the facts in your head, and you explaining the difference between U6 and U3 doesn’t change the fact that the unemployment rate never has been and still isn’t under 6%, but please don’t let me interrupt your obvious wisdom. Since you seem to know everything about everything I’ll let you get back to whining some more.

      • Jefbon85

        You’re really struggling with this…..sorry to see that. Every time Alex responds he exposes his ignorance on the topic. The unemployment rates (U1 thru U6) are what they are. You can continue debating them all you want….you are debating with fact.

      • Alex

        Ok jef, the thing is you just called unverifiable statistics a fact, so thanks for that. Have a nice day.

      • Missdaisy

        All the people that were on unemployment for the allotted time the government allows may still not have found a job. 44.7 million on food stamps. Highest number ever!

    • deckbose

      You’re not too bright when it comes to economic statistics, are you?

      • Alex

        Nope I’m quite dark about them.

    • Stephen Barlow

      If your “REAL” hahahaha unemployment #’s are correct, the BUSH cost 23 million Americans their job and made 11 million FAMILIES homeless.

      Gotta LOVE them RED FAMILY Values!!

    • Heather McCammon

      So if it actually 12 under Obama what was it actually under Bush?

      • Alex

        You seem to think we are comparing one to the other, they both sucked, the only difference is one of them is trying to make it sound like he doesn’t suck, hence the problem.

    • Jeff Anspach

      So you are saying the unemployment numbers are being counted differently today than they were under George W Bush? Seriously? My lord, you folks just cant stand hearing any good news under president Obama. It’s pathetic.

      • Alex

        The fact that you think there’s good news is what’s truly pathetic.

      • Jeff Anspach

        And the fact that you cant bring yourself to admit we have improved ALOT since the bush depression is 10X as pathetic.

      • Alex

        So many mistakes in the sentence I can hardly believe you’re for real. First, it has never been and will never be a fact that we improved because as it has been stated over and over again we had neither a correct count back then nor a correct count now, so right there you’re wrong. Second, a lot is 2 separate words. Finally the only thing that’s pathetic is your failed attempt at punctuation for god’s sake go back to school and learn some English you illiterate putz.

      • Jeff Anspach

        Ooooh getting me on grammatical errors……that pretty shows me I have won already. By the way, is your brain capable of reading the CHARTS on this story that show even the dumbest people (IE, YOU) how incredible the obama recovery has been from the George W Bush recession?

      • Alex

        Wow I really hope you’re like a 12 year old kid, because if not this is just sad, but if you are that clears up a lot. Like for example why you’re too stupid to understand that both charts are based on faulty data therefore it doesn’t matter what they say at all. Please continue basing your assumptions on bad data, make my day.

      • Jeff Anspach

        You are such a denier it isn’t even FUNNY. There is so much unbiased neutral evidence out there that shows how much better we are today under president Obama than under Bush. Value of Dow, unemployment rate, bin laden dead or alive. If you wish to bury your head in the sand and ignore all these facts, you are unreachable. If this were a republican president presiding over this amazing recover, you righties would have yelled for his head to put on mt rushmore many months ago. You, like many other cons, simply refuse to believe that Obama could be better than george w bush. I have to wonder why you are having such a clearly obviously hard time believing this…………

      • Alex

        Denier is a unit of mass, there is no unbiased neutral evidence what so ever, on a good day there is some evidence of something that IS a fact, the crap you’re spouting isn’t rooted in reality much less factual basis. The value of the dow changes daily, the unemployment rate has been calculated wrong short of spelling it out in crayon for your dumb ass there’s no other way to put it. Bin Ladin dead? Are you kidding me, how stupid are you? They never showed his body at all, they just said they killed him, that’s what you call a fact? Go back to school retard, you’re in dire need of it. I’m not a righty you imbecile, I’m an independent, independent of idiots like you who call conjecture fact, who can’t spell let alone put on a decent argument.

      • Jeff Anspach

        You simply cant accept the facts you freaking piece of SHIT. Oh yeah, Obama is gonna lie abut killing bin laden a year and a half before his re-election bid, giving the GOP who investigates his BIRTH CERTIFICATE the chance to expose the lie and and his re-election bid. Do you really know how incredibly stupid you sound?? And if you are an indy, then I am tom cruise. You cant handle the facts. Like your hero reagan once said “facts are stubborn things”, And so are you, you fucking ostrich.

      • ranchdog

        decent argument or grammar/spelling not need because you have lost badly

      • Alex

        And still you keep going, what’s the matter? You get lonely under your bridge? Cry somewhere else troll, run along now little girl.

      • ranchdog

        No I just enjoy watching you make a fool out of your self on a progressive site, classic troll activity indeed

      • Alex

        Keep watching it’s about all you’re good for.

      • ranchdog

        ergo you admit you are a troll and making a fool out of yourself

      • ranchdog

        why don’t you go to some repubtard list were you can have friends instead of trying to provoke good folks

      • Stephen Barlow

        It’s a French coin IDIOTUS MAXAMUS!!!

        WOW!! Not dead? And you KNOW WHERE HE IS HIDING? WHAT a PATRIOT!!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        Having trouble with the crayons today?

      • Alex

        Also “that pretty shows me I have won already.” Please I beg you go back to school.

      • Stephen Barlow

        WHOO WHOOOOO!!!!

        See Above!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        Hi last post was only one sentence.
        >——————-< = 12 inches!!!!!

        HAHAHAHA hey shorty!

        Just because a Curvy Couch Potato "has said it" means nothing.

        WOW!!! BEATEN AND CRUSHED sown to such a pulp, Alex's only defense is typo's and using the word 'pathetic' WRONG in a sentence.

        You can't use the word "pathetic" unless you actual CARE ABOUT THEM.

        You use as an OXY moron! Like a DRUG!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        It’s as sickening as Rush Limbaugh marrying My 14 year old niece as his 7th wife.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I am eating better now than in 2008. I feel safer because I know that as the Bushies DIE OFF, the Cruz’s and Gohmerts have a very short lifespan.

        Alex, you are extremely smart. Please tell Me what the most likely outcome of McCain/Palin presidency would have been?

        Would we have 140,000 troops in Iran?

        Would extending the 750,000/month joblosses for another year or 18 months (extendng the Bush policies out as mcCain promised to do) created more or less foreclosures and homeless, jobless American Families?

        Would REAL unemployment gott to 23% and FAKE unemployment gotten to 50%?

        Would we have 22 million foreclosures or 44 million?

        Gimme an HONEST, best of your ability answer to ‘alexientifically” GUESS.

      • Stephen Barlow

        THAT’s what they are trying to SELL!!!

        I am still boggled by the concept of SEVEN HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND NEWLY UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE A MONTH FOR 8 months!!!!

        Let’s See: NYC would have been completely JOBLESS within 5 months, LA, Houston and Chicago within 3 months. I mean not a job filled or available ANYWHERE within the city.

        Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Diego and Dallas in l6 WEEKS, Jacksonville, Indianapolis and San Francisco within a month and Boston, Seattle, Denver and Washington would not have had a single working person in them in THREE WEEKS.

        THAT’s how horrifically the BUSH agenda for Economic Collapse succeeded. Any one of the top 25 populated cities in America without a single available JOB for anyone in any field, all jobs disappeared completely.

        The other 25 biggest cities in America would have be ghost towns for workers in 2 weeks of less, Miami, Oakland, Cleveland and Minneapolis all in under a WEEK!!!

        (data from “infoplease”, based on HALF the population being employable and NOT retired, homemaking, student or disabled)

    • formerroadie

      Here’s the problem with your argument: Yes, it represents the amount of people who have filed for unemployment. Guess what? It ALWAYS does. This means that, statistically, it’s lower than it was when, say, 8% were filing. During that 8%, more than 8% of people were actually unemployed. Your claims are ridiculous Alex because the numbers always work this way. 5.6% is a healthy indicator of lower numbers because 5.6% is a healthy indicator of lower numbers….. end of story.

      • Alex

        See this make you a complete retard, because now you just gave your approval to this broken process by sheer ignorance, to say that because they have always been counting the wrong way we should just keep doing it is the stupidest argument you could ever make.

      • formerroadie

        Clearly you haven’t payed attention to those in other threads that have noted that the other numbers are accounted for in the unemployment records. *sigh. You clearly just want there to be a conspiracy or something, don’t you? It’s always been done this way. You can learn about it in high school econ or political science class. It’s not rocket science.

      • Alex

        Yes let’s keep counting a bunch of unemployment records instead of ACTUAL UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE! There’s some sound logic, you really should run for politics, you could run a full campaign on burying your head in the sand. Much like all the other politicians.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Don’t waste the time unless you ENJOY humiliating the fool!!! :)))

      • Alex

        But hey, the next time someone hands you a check for $20 instead of $200 you should just keep doing it, because ya know by their count “it’s always been that way.”

      • formerroadie

        Because those are the same things, right?

      • ranchdog

        another stupid irrelevant come back

      • Alex

        Go troll somewhere else, the only thing that’s irrelevant here is your opinion.

      • ranchdog

        you much more resemble a troll considering the source of this argument

      • Alex

        Did you just seriously use the “I know you are but what am I” defense? I’m sure there’s a kindergarten empty somewhere because all the kids seem to be here.

      • Stephen Barlow

        All opinions are irrelevant.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Like My last? ^

      • ranchdog

        yep

      • Stephen Barlow

        Some days i am more clever than others. notice he shut up after the grammar crap? These guys are TRAINED to disrupt BLUE blogs. they change names, but if you look carefully at their phrasing, they have patterns. it’s Whack-a-mole to bash then and a fools errand to try and teach them reality.

        But like being at a carnival… you pay a dollar for a mallet and enjoy yourself. It is a huge exercise in creative writing to blast these guys with so much truth they sputter and like watching the last embers of a labor Day campfire… The sound of them getting pissed out… is soothing.

      • Stephen Barlow

        A better example would be, when some hands you a EURO and asks for change, you can just hit the app on your Smart Phone and know that you owe him $1.30 today and NOT $130.

        You know why your wife parks so close to the curb Alex? Because for as long as you have known her you have been telling her that >——————–< is 12 inches!

        THAT's how YOUR math works!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        THANK YOU. It’s WHY investors us it to make choice and economists use it to make EDUCATED predictions of current and future trends. But let’s not let a FACT get in the way of a RED slam against anything BLACK.

        Ever feel like politics today is like a roulette wheel, Bet RED or BLACK, but never both.

    • ranchdog

      It’s been counted that way for decades so your still comparing oranges to oranges not apples as you seem to think

      • Stephen Barlow

        That Red contracted Gallup created propaganda poll # is like comparing isn’t apples to oranges, it’s oranges to orangutans. It’s Apples to airplanes or oysters to moon rocks.

    • Stephen Barlow

      But you have ZERO actual EVIDENCE, which is WHY the BELLWEATHER statistic (with a historical record of 80 years to COMPARE apples to apples with) is used by INVESTORS and (educated, trained) economists as an ‘economic indicator’.

      On baseball, the ERA for pitchers or the BA for hitters… they tell a VERY real story. A 1.55 ERA tosser with a .340 hitter at the plate is GOING to be worth watching. Same as a 3.40 ERA pitcher and a .155 hitter.

      But where are the Statistics that PROVE that any pitcher in Republican Stagnated Congress throws more fastballs.

      THAT’s the monkey junk math you are claiming as some kind of FACT. It’s PROPAGANDA because IT’s NOT provable as true.

      I am not saying that 50% of America DOESN’T want a better job with more pay and benefits. Hell, Carly Fiorino wanted a better job than Hewlett-Packard!!! But to say every white guy is a racist is just as much bullshit as daying any SPECIFIC # of people are ‘under employed’.

      Polling data is just a manipulatable wild assed semi scientific GUESS. It’s not even as accurate as finding used condoms and $20 bills in your wife’s purse.

      That’s why I don’t buy it. Can you ACTUALLY JUSTIFY dismissing the BELLWEATHER unemployment #? FACTUALLY? With a REAL REASON why it’s use should be DISCONTINUED?

      I am not even sure what a “Slugging Percentage’ is, but I KNOW it was invented in a room with now windows by a guy who REALLY REALLY REALLY needs girlfriend BADLY!

    • Dee Moo

      Regardless of what chart or statistic you use, it has gone down.

      • Alex

        It hasn’t actually which is kind of the point I’m trying to make.

      • Dee Moo

        I have seen both statistics. They both show a drop . So now the other statistic is wrong too? You make no sense.

      • Alex

        The original statistics showed unemployment at 12.4% that’s not a drop that’s literally where it was and where it stayed.

      • Dee Moo

        No…the original used for years shows it at below 6%. The new one shows 12%. Down from 16%. Keep trying.

      • Alex

        They were never 16% but keep making numbers up it serves you well.

      • Dee Moo

        I JUST LOOKED IT UP!

      • Dee Moo

        Alex. Please go back to the Bush era. You are just as dumb as he is

      • Alex

        Are you suppose to be proving you’re smart by pointless one liners that neither prove anything nor have any relevance to anything closing in on a point? If you’re suppose to be my opposition this will be a walk in the park.

  • Anyone but Obama

    Ha ha. Funny joke. Did anyone bother to look at the sources of these ‘charts?’ LA Times, MSNBC, Yahoo Finance, Whitehouse.GOV and the NY Times. A bunch of lefty news sources that haven’t reported the truth for over 6 YEARS. We tired of your BS lies.

    • FrankTank

      Pretty funny how the Communists all rally for this idiot that they elected, isn’t it?

      • Stephen Barlow

        yeah, it’s friggin’ laughable

      • Stephen Barlow

        Humn!!! NO RED PARTY TAKERS? No Gomhert for Prez button wearers? Makes you think if there is a single SINCERE RED in the GOP.

      • Rolle Diaz

        Is Louis Gohmert the voice of Elmer Fud?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Other way around! Louis IS Elmer’s voice!

    • Stephen Barlow

      SO you would vote for Louis Gohmert to replace Obama?

    • Denise Webb Roman

      You sound like a hypocrite” anyone but Obama” sheep ,What about all your Righwing news garbage station putting out constant lies that desperate followers believe cause they don’t like the truth !! Wake up and get your head out of your a**!

      • Stephen Barlow

        I kinda think he’s a BANNED asshole with a new addy.

    • Rolle Diaz

      Let me guess you only view charts from Fox. Want accurate news? check with the National Enquirer where they have accurate stories compared to Fox. Haha

      Why don’t you pull fox charts for the last election where they bragged Romney will win with 65%of the votes. Haha

      • Stephen Barlow

        “Roll footage of karl ROVE AGHAST @ the Returns NOT Mysteriously flipping as they did in 2004. Like the Warren Commission PROTECTION of the responsible parties, ALl these culprits will be safely DEAD when (and if) the truth comes out.

      • Anyone but Obama

        Ha ha. You support a LIAR. NOt a conspiracy, the Internet is FILLED with videos of him and other Democrats lying through their teeth. Morons like you who still drink the koolaid don’t card that their representatives are liars and crooks. I already know your answer. Bush lied and people died. Every Democrat supported him. In fact, they demanded a revote when they saw how popular it was to invade Iraq and they didn’t vote for it the first time. Keep drinking. What’s your favorite flavor, Obamass?

      • Stephen Barlow

        EDITED? PARTIAL? SOUNDBITES?

        How purist of you.

        But it’s still the truth! Like it or not. If Laura would have sucked his dick, 10,000 (+the 2950 from 9/11) Americans would be UNDEAD and 40,000 wouldn’t be collecting VA benefits until they are DEAD.

        END of HISTORY LESSON!

    • Stephen Barlow

      But ALL credible JOURNALISTS who FACT CHECK THEIR DATA.

      not Red bloggers who sell opinion as fact and ENVER retract PROVEN frauds.

      Lemme guess, you tip black waiters the same as white ones and you’re PROUD of it!!

  • Dave

    That doesn’t matter. The GOP is a cult, and cult members do not base their opinions on facts; they base them on what they’re told to think.

    • Stephen Barlow

      They ARE!!!!

  • Jim Bean

    Really? After being forced in to sequestration by the Pubs and after his budget proposals having been voted against by even every single Democrats you’re going to give Obama credit for a lower deficit?

    And, after his having cut the number of oil and gas leases and permits approved by two thirds you’re going to give Obama credit for the increased oil and gas production that resulted from new fracking techniques – the techniques he would have blocked if he could?

    One emotion the Left has never experienced is shame.

  • Sandy Greer

    Some observations/reservations of mine:

    1) Unemployment (no matter its measurement) has fallen. And that’s a good thing. But:

    2) I didn’t realize (prior to chart) we’d lost so many jobs. I’m glad to see steady job growth. But my understanding is job growth is not comparable (in too many cases) to jobs lost. We’ve increased Part Timers and Minimum Wage work. That’s my concern – and should be the concern of everyone without a decent, secure job. ‘Under’ employment looms large.

    3) Stock Market. Yeah – I’m doing great. Made back all I lost, and more. No complaints there. But when I see folks crow about the stock market I think: Irrational Exuberance. Be prepared to weather a fall.

    4) My understanding of Deficit (as opposed to Debt) is that it’s our ‘shortfall’. I’m glad to see it lower, and know that lean times can force us to live beyond our means (assuming we have the means) for so long as it can be sustained. But I prefer we live within our means.

    • Stephen Barlow

      We agree on point 1.

      2) The job losses are about industry insisting that workers DO more for less. You want REAL jobs, UNIONIZE. Every time in history that Management abused workers, LABOR ORGANIZATION solved the problem. Every RED sells how great the 50’s were and plans to get back to all of it. But UNIONS were their strongest, NO Company would DREAM of NOT being American and they kept their word about health insurance and pensions.

      You want that 1950’s job security, then you have to fight for it 50’s style and be willing to STRIKE!

      3) As JP Morgan famously said, “The market will continue to fluctuate.” All I can say is that I took intelligent risks for great reward. mot people also would NEVER audit a college class JUST to LEARN investment planning. Also most people rely COMPLETELY on their company 401k.

      Also, if you missed the “Great Obama Rebound” in 2009-10 you won’t see another opportunity like that for another decade or so. I pulled out before the peak and crash, got back in the DAY Obama signed the Stimulus and hedged currency for all I could afford to lose. AND I hit the motherlode.

      My suggestion is keep skimming profits. Keep your money active in a rising market, and when it plateaus, skim profits and get them into bonds. Keep a comfortable minimum of your assets in play even in a downturning market. market timing and Day Trading are for sharks. Be a catfish or a minnow. Sharks don’t eat them. They eat nice fat tasty Tuna! Check you investment monthly and adjust quarterly.

      Just like @ the BJ table. I go in with what I can afford to lose and mot regret. i watch the ebb and flow of the cards and bet hard when I have lost a streak, When get My stake back, all the rest of the winnings go IN MY POCKET. When I dig into My stake, I LEAVE the TABLE! I can always find another table of come back later.

      4) The REASON we have a deficit is that we ARE LACKING APPROPRIATE REVENUE for our NEEDS. Taxes built this nation and pre Reagan, they were 90% for some people and there were less than 100 pages of deductions. Mostly for sole proprietor businesspersons.

      NOW, taxes on the wealthy are 33%, there are 2000 pages of deduction that only they can take because 90% of us can’t afford those Dressage horses or to donate fine art to a Gallery.

      Tax shelters in Carter’s day were municipal bonds, not Cayman Island accounts. Romney would have gone to JAIL for helping tax evaders, NOT become a Candidate for President!

      You wanna live within you means, Tell Congress to GIVE AMERICA A RAISE!!!!

  • sfwm.son

    two things…he doesn’t control the stock market and the oil thing has been as what cost to our land and environment?

  • Dave

    The economy would be a lot better if not for Republican budget cutting. Millions of people lost their solid, middle class jobs due to Republican budget cuts, and many had to collect unemployment and even welfare.

    • Stephen Barlow

      It’s not so much the budget cutting, it’s the FAILURE TO PAY THE RENT!!! WITHOUT BUILDING REVENUE STREAMS (and EVERY Capitalist GOP party assholes KNOWS THIS) you can’t pay your bills. Shutting down the government was the ULTIMATE cutting of the revenue stream.

      The American Family is NOT angry because Prices went up, or because of Ebola or ISIL.

      They are angry because their Government took their homes and jobs, AND BECAUSE the REDs would rather SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT then GIVE them a job so they can buy a new house!!!

      But the Dems, in their complete and utter ignorance, NEVER BOTHERED to mention THAT in this campaign.

      Every Democrats should have had the same speech.

      “HEY! WAKE UP!!! My opponent was the guy whose policies took your job, gave your house to Bush’s banker friends and got your kids killed and maimed in a senseless desert war. For OIL and against people who never wanted us there. Want more of THAT CRAP, Then be stupid like you were in 2010. Vote for your fiscal and moral ENEMY!”

      “You say you DON’T want voter suppression, DON’T want your schools closed, DON’T want Clorox and Coathanger deaths for your rape victim daughters? THEN FOR GOD’S SAKE PEOPLE WAKE UP!! Don’t vote for the guys who WANTS you to have all that, but NOT a job or a home or a future or a college education for your kids!!!”

      “HOW STUPID ARE you gonna act? Get out and tell us all on Tuesday!”

      • Thebob

        The Government shutdown is a joke you retard…The government doesn’t stop working just because a few people aren’t in the office…nor does this effect jobs or people losing their homes, or taxes or revenues… SS checks still go out. The military is still paid, food stamps are still paid out. I would rather vote for a guy who says go earn your keep than the guy who says hey vote for me and I will suck your dick, scratch your back, and give you a reach around all while I steal your wallet, your car, and your home after you fall asleep…

      • Stephen Barlow

        Then WHY did Cruz an Huelskamp try so hard to BLAME obama for it?

    • Thebob

      Budget cuts don’t cut jobs you idiot…maybe just government jobs which we could without a lot of those……High business/corporate taxes instituted by your Savior Obola and the Dems in congress and the ACA is why jobs are down. I have 1 employee under me were I work, I can’t give him more than 30 hours a week, why, because we don’t want to pay the ACA fees…..Also why I am over worked, over stressed, and under paid…..Hell I can’t even afford the Health Insurance my company offer’s for my family…Awesome ACA just great…

      • Ben Hoffman

        You’re a liar. The employer mandate was delayed until 2016 and that’s only for businesses with more than 50 employees.

  • Lance Majirsky

    I can make charts too…does not make them true

    • Stephen Barlow

      Here, play with your krayons and shut up sweetie.

  • Josh Linvog

    First of all, you have to understand. These are mostly true numbers, but you have to first understand the GDP (gross domestic product) stats and the BLS (Bureau of Labor and Statistics) numbers. As of 06:00 est, our National Deficit was $17.9 trillion and change. In September 2008, it was $8.9 trillion. According to the BLS, as of September, our actual unemployment rate was 12.6% of able bodied residents. The census doesn’t count people that didn’t look for work in the 4 weeks prior to the survey. The GDP deficit means we spend more $$ on foreign made products (imports) than our country sells (exports) total. I’ll let you do the math and draw your own conclusions. True stats, to a point, that really don’t mean crap.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Bu Jan 22, 2009 The debt was $10.7 Trillion and growing. it was inevitable that the INTEREST on the WAR debt would not cease as long as the BUSH War continued and then just as long afterwards.

      A kid plays with matches, sets the house on fire. YOu act like calling the Fire Dept. is gonna STOP the flames! Hell, The REDS set the Fire House on fire and cut the hoses (REVENUE as in TAXES) while Obama was poutting out YOUR arson!!

      You are confusing DEBT and Deficit, like most GOp floppers do. Because Fox misleads you on a daily basis and you pray at their alter like a Muslim, 5 times a day.

      • Thebob

        So dumb, you need to learn your history, it’s a fact that lowering taxes especially on the middle class increases profits and tax revenue across the board….The problem is we have far less people putting into the pot than taking from the pot….The bottom half doesn’t pay any income tax. The top 10% pays for all of what the bottom half doesn’t put in. You all cry for equality and fairness, how about we just put in a National Sales tax of like 5% that way everyone is paying across the board no matter how much money you make, but in actuality would boost revenues because the people who buy more things would end up paying more….Since you hate the rich so much..I don’t hate what I don’t have maybe envy a little, but I strive to that goal…Or at the very least collect tax from everyone not just the Middle Class and the Rich. Oh btw if you earn $100,000 a year you are in the Top 10%….

      • Stephen Barlow

        Which explains why Bush accelerated he amassing of debt faster than ANY president in history. Even Roosevelt in WWII wasn’t wasting a surplus as fast as Bush was pouring TAXDOLLARS into Cheney’s pocket!!!

  • leftofcenter480

    Where were you and the Democratic establishment before the damned election? The barn is securely locked now. To bad the horses are gone.

    • Stephen Barlow

      The mules go out in 2010. The barn burned in 2012. We tried selling that oceanfront land in Kansas, but Brownback bankrupted them in 500 days AND STILL HAS HIS JOB!!!!

      All because a Dem got a lap dance in 1993.These are the dumbest marks in the world. No WONDER the REDS own them! they believe in OZ and GOD!

      • Thebob

        OH LMAO that explains a lot… You think you are an atheist….so funny…

      • Stephen Barlow

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  • andyk1985

    Nice try. But, workforce participation is down substantially which creates an artificial appearance of low unemployment. Plus, individual income is down or flat, and prices are up. Especially energy prices. The oil production is in spite of our president since that entire increase comes from fracking on private land. He has killed development on public land. Most people realize that, plus with the insane new epa co2 rules that may go into effect, energy prices will go much higher. People vote their pocketbook, and it hasn’t got any fuller under Obama, and they can see it getting emptier. In addition we have a president so engrossed in his ideology he doesn’t seem to care about anyone else. Between no perceptible economic improvements, incompetence at foreign policy, and a president who is completely self absorbed, the results of this election should not have surprised anyone

  • ardvarc

    I don’t consider that last chat on oil production progressive. It’s regressive in fact. Read the recent IPCC report? O has done some very hard and good things. He’s been a good president.

    • Thebob

      LMAO….thats the dumbest thing I have ever read…If you truly define his presidency by him doing 1 or 2 things that YOU in your OPINION think were good then that’s just pathetic and shows how narrow minded you truly are….Obama has done more single handedly to harm the minority population in this country than any other president before. Also, instead of trying to get poor minority communities to help themselves he has added more on the demand from Federal handouts…How about instead of demeaning people and giving them everything how about we educated them and give them the tools to succeed themselves….It’s proven fact the more you give someone the more in demeans them and sets up the next generation to do the same. IMHO 30-50% of the people getting hand outs are fraudulent in nature. Also I have never met an African-American in my entire life, only Americans….they just happen to be a different color.

  • purplemoses

    Two biggest threats to American Democracy are inequality and the corruption of the democratic process. Job one and two (IMHO) is treat capital like labor for tax purposes and repeal Citizens United. Productivity is rising but wages have stagnated. That matrix has passed to the corporate 1% who are now allowed to spend unlimited amounts on political campaigns anonymously. They buy politicians who legislate their position in the status quot. There are a lot of problems (not least of all the latest unexplainable stupidity of our recent election but (again IMHO) they all stem from these two.

  • Ron Skaggs

    Nice try but these charts really don’t reflect any cause and effect with the administration of Barrack Obama. But it’s nice to see who reads this site. I certainly get all my news from MSNBC or it looks like High Times magazine.

    • Thebob

      Fist bump High Times magazine….

  • Thebob

    All this is fake as hell, Obama hasn’t done shit to help the economy. The Fed has propped up the Stock Market since he took office, once they stop feeding free money into the market it will collapse, but that will happen under the next president. Just like 2008 wasn’t Bushes fault, it was Clinton’s policies that caused the crash in 2008, all the while G. HW Bush and Clinton both road on the coat tails of Reaganomics. The reason we haven’t pulled our and corrected our selves is strictly do to the polices of Obola….Also the jobs numbers are all fabricated. Losing 1 full time job and replacing it with 2 part time less paid jobs isn’t the same. Private sector job growth under Obola has been a joke. Now the Government jobs he has created to expand our ever growing massive POS Government I can give him credit for those….Welcome to the Socialist Republic of The United States stupid commies…

  • Thebob

    I hope to God at least he knows what he is doing and this is all planned out, because if this isn’t a plan then Obola and his cronies are just dumb which I think is worse…..

  • Jonathan Hilts

    On Obamacare alone, he would make the list of best presidents, but that didn’t even warrant a chart.

  • jeff

    and Santa’s coming too!

  • Taylor

    Can I just point out that Obama has NOTHING to do with the oil production. He is opposing it, North Dakota is producing an insane amount of oil! And its all on Native American territory, the government is opposing the production up there but they can’t do anything about it.

  • credulousdolt

    That guy gave me a terrible rash on my bum bum.

  • Shawn French

    Our energy production has increased in spite of Obama’s best efforts to hamper it. Thank you North Dakota!

  • anddan

    Cycles. Cycles that always occur. Price gas going down again and has nothing to do with obama. Stock market going up cause that’s what happens after it goes down. And his policies? Well, they only favor the poorest. And, while helping the poor is a great thing, you can’t do it by worsening the situation for the middle class. The richest 5 percent of people ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE FINE. It does not matter who is in office. But interest rates and fiscal policies under Obama administration are killing the MIDDLE class, America’s largest and most imorptsnt class. Yes, more important then the poor and more important than the very wealthy cause only MIDDLE-OUT ECONOMICS WORKS. Not trickle down, which creates breaks for the rich and NOT special interest hand out policies that give things away to the poor. All Obama will accomplish is MAKING EVERYONE POOR (ER), aside from the richest Americans. He will further the divide nation economically and the ridiculous stirring the pot chaos causing social policy (with the help of such well respected figure like Al Sharpton)will further divide the country socially.

  • mistercrispy

    But he’s BLACK!

  • fred

    What Crap. You make the assumption, a false one, That Obama is the cause of all this data. There is no proof that any other person in the office would not get the same result. The oil and shale production was started before Obama got into office So he cannot be credited with that. The unemployment was at near historic lows when he came into office so it really could only get better Not Obama once again. The stock market has had a rising trend historically so it naturally goes up over time no matter who is in the office. Nice TRY !!!

  • GDP went up because of the Obamacare spending surge which hit and wiped out savings. We are $80 billion poorer because the revise spending went up and the revised income went down. All this spending also cause the Dow to rise.

    Unemployment went down not due to those people going back to work, but rather they came off the roles when they were no longer eligible for unemployment.

    Deficit to GDP was down due to collecting on Obamacare YEARS prior to implementing.

  • Dina Finato

    Haters gotta hate. If you don’t trust a liberal source, will you trust forbes?http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/

  • tim

    It’s very simple, Republicans Don’t care about the poor and Democrats just brainwash them (and give them food stamps to sell an buy crack)

  • Wyoming Bullrider

    i wonder if this Writer also c ok ne dones this killing of babies, being droned to death for writing the absoluter truth about what is really happening in American by the ruins that OBama has really accomplishe in this nation, the deceit and corruption of obamas actions, havint an illegal president in the white house (why is his records still sealed to secrecy since day one? And most of all the killing of 4 AMETICAN CITIZENS IN BENGHAZI then lying about this as well.
    Nothing like being a dreamer both in a political sence and having a dreamer, liar, thief and cheat run and ruin what used to be a great nation.