Anti-Government Militia Considered Using Women as Human Shields

richard-mackI’ve made it pretty clear that I’m by no means a fan of the tea party, and I believe their movement to be based on delusional radicalism and dangerous anti-government rhetoric.  I’ve encountered many tea party supporters living in Texas and they’re some of the most hateful, judgmental and misinformed people I’ve ever met.

While a debate with a “moderate” Republican rarely results in either one of us agreeing on much, a discussion with most tea party supporters is like talking to someone from another planet.

A prime example of this radical lunacy can be seen in Nevada where Cliven Bundy maintained that federal lands in Nevada belonged to the state and not the federal government.

But the shocking part of this whole story isn’t just Bundy’s anti-federal government ignorance, but a revelation that came to light when former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack was interviewed on Fox News.  Mack revealed that he and others who had gone down to support Bundy had planned to use women as human shields against the Bureau of Land Management in case officers began shooting.

Mack (who admits he sides with the tea party) said, “We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front.  If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

Here’s the clip:

These people were seriously considering using women as shields to stage some kind of public massacre if federal agents were forced to use their weapons.  Isn’t that what terrorist groups do?  Use innocent civilians as shields to save their own asses or make some kind of political statement?  But you want to tell me that these anti-government tea party supporters aren’t basically domestic terrorists?

Could you imagine if a liberal group came out and said they were planning to use women as human shields against law enforcement?  Imagine if an abortion clinic was being forced to close but the owners of that clinic refused to do so and said they had planned to use women as human shields in case law enforcement officials began to open fire on those inside.

Conservatives would be losing their damn minds.

Not that I’m saying conservatives are rallying to the defense of these lunatics for contemplating this tactic, but I’ve met people (many of them actually) who hoard guns and ammo preparing for a situation such as this where they have a “standoff” with the federal government.

But I do think this situation highlights the lunacy that’s becoming commonplace within the Republican party.  Because while these individuals might be the more “extreme” parts of the conservative movement, these are the types of candidates and people the tea party keeps pushing to the forefront of the Republican party.

And that’s a terrifying reality that we must put a stop to.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Veritas vos Liberabit

    The Tea Party is a cult.

    • HISTORIANSREALITY

      A cult that produced a government that allows for you to say that under your constitutional protection. Socialism is the real cult, what did that produce, 50 million deaths? Stalin, Lenin. Just remember, if you want to start a revolution, we are the ones who like the 2nd Amendment!

      • Veritas vos Liberabit

        The 2nd amendment guarantees me the right to bear arms. It doesn’t give the right , power nor the authority to use females as human shield. A despicable act of cowardice practice by Al-Qaeda members.

      • strayaway

        I agree but who used any females as human shields? This article is one interpretation of some loose talk but actions speak louder than interpretations of words. The only females I saw were mixed in with the guys and a couple were decked or tazed by Obama’s Pinkertons … but that’s ok, right?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        can I buy a carnival ticket to “taze” Hannity????? pleeeeeeeeez?

      • strayaway

        Why are you using a new name? Did you get banned from this site or did everyone stop responding to your vacuous comments and begin avoiding you like the village idiot?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        im honoring the loser who claims he has perfect genetics,,,,, and claims I do steroids;(NO) live in Detroit(Im in pompano beach); am fat ( im 6’2 210 with 34 inch waist -46/47 jacket) and he says all my lady friends are fat ( consider his facebook abuse of an EX of mine: veronica velasquez….. look her up on FB: she is 5’8 135 with natural DD breasts) he( gian keys) is 5’9 1/2 171 and has no money: he claims he is an actor ( of course) and will be one day “sexiest man alive” — seriously!!! his pic is the guy on the left in this photo. I think hes alcoholic
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        I enjoy the destruction of imbeciles. you and I play but I do know you are not deluded. just differing in opinions

      • strayaway

        wierder and wierder…yawn

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        your meds kicking in earlier than normal?

      • Pipercat

        Paid for, by Medicare Part D.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        explains his love of his life bereft OF life

      • Pipercat

        One of these days he’ll fess up and tell us he’s on the single payer system…

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        gonna haf2 give U a 10 point bonus upon that correct observation!!

        ……………also- please see my edit as I thought you were him in that reply. my error!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        you remain vibrantly consistent when shown facts,,,,,,
        bittersweet fruit thou be- jealous as the usual white trash crybaby

      • PoliticalThorn

        Loose talk on a video, or didn’t you see it. I’m sure you would have preferred they were shot rather than tased, (I looked spelling up) as then, that would given them “the right” to start shooting.

      • strayaway

        You are grasping at straws but thanks for the spell check. I don’t want violence even the police thug variety. You are apparently ok with the militarized police, attacks on freedom of speech, roughing up civilian, and the Reid family’s conflict of interest then?

      • GCA

        You’re seriously messed up in the head, you know that right? Seek some help. You need it. But you might be beyond it, too.

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        I know, its so messed up to read books and have a history and political science degree. Especially this day in age, where ignorance is now popular.

      • Jocelyn

        You must be very popular in that case! You and your tea party buds are awash in ignorance. By the way, I believe the phrase is “day and age.” Tell us about your extensive experience with property ownership; which really isn’t germane to the situation but go ahead knock yourself out!

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        Not a tea party member actually–but thank you…like I’ve told the shills below, I was an Obama delegate in 2008, Ron Paul in 2012. If you still believe there is a difference between both parties, then I think your ignorance is pretty apparent. Go ahead and deflect the issue by pointing out a grammar error–ad hominem tactic. Google that term lil’ miss.

      • Cameron Hyman

        look! its one of those fox news paid commenters.

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        You are defending an argument that was used by Hitler, Stalin, and other Marxist tyrants…you are in good company. Property ownership is very important, mainly because I pay property taxes, which supports the socialist system you are arguing for–as well as understanding title documentation, and how property ownership works in general. Its okay, you’re argument will leave you homeless, property-less, and your 401k will be continually stolen by the bankers based on your allegiance to the left. Good luck.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        how about liberals such as me who make well over 150K per year on income producing properties with capital gains from my flourishing stock/option portfolio all whilst making around 100K in my cash business? ( see: no tax on that)
        =======================================
        25K 13 yrs ago has taught me how to clean up ( usually) in the markets. I got out of sillu roths and all other ripoffs and now sit in cash ( liquidity foremost in stock/option market) while all properties paid for and appreciating.
        bankers and other scoundrels cannot touch me
        ======================================
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,, and scumbag liars in the GOP are withering by eating each other up , dems usually suck; repubs? 10 times worse

      • TheSotSays

        Gee I didn’t know you were a “liberal.”

        I thought you were just a plain old homo transvestite pimp with a few farm animals that you throw in as a bonus on Saturday night.

        Did Bill Clinton ever tell you what Eleanor Roosevelt did to him?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yeah,,,, im a tranny.
        a tranny– well; we again see thy poor social upbringing in being unable to tell any difference- U don’t know what a woman looks like; U don’t know what a man looks like,,,, U cry Eleanor Roosevelt as you( and all small dcked tea party regressives) know that FDR was best president ever- I suspect your NON education is blamed upon the church ————again!
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        but the great news is gian “littleman” keys ( and you) are withering in your nugatory lives; nothing U can do to stem that decay!!
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        have another drink and cry loudly!

      • TheSotSays

        FDR was fine but his ditzy old wife was the catalyst that eventually turned Bill Clinton into a disbarred lawyer.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and…………….. the most popular president since JFK while he also had the longest GROWTH ( see: economy) of any president ever
        ====================================
        damn those silly facts!
        now; about your “well balanced” regressive tea party girls — Bachmann,,,, palin,,,,coulter and ‘no tits’ malkin?

      • TheSotSays

        Bwaaaaaaa Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
        You’re one sad f*ck rump ranger if you believe that FDR was “since” JFK.

        The “core curriculum” sure gave you a kick in the nutz. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

        Go find yourself a homo magazine and get some sleep..

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey 210 IQ genius:
        I was –as written– talking about bill Clinton. IF ( if!!) U knew economic news U would easily recognize this
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        please pass the crow to sot crybaby “says”

      • TheSotSays

        No you weren’t, you were busy praising FDR. You’re a dumb homo fuque unable to concentrate on anything other than the genital warts you picked up from an old pair of spandex bicycle tights they gave you over at FLCFAR.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        must be difficult knowing— and we both knowTHAT you indeed know- that your life is long and tedious; fraught with aridity and spoilage

      • TheSotSays

        Hi Homo, what’s up?
        On the left there, if that’s a SELFIE (selfie!) of one of your genital warts, you ARE in rough shape for sure.

        =============================================
        oBAMA can buy you all the air time in the world but by the loooks of that thing you’ll soon be wishing your mother had spent more time at coat hanger school

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        c’mon crybaby sot!!! U should know that’s not me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that’s the regressive California ” no money” crybaby gian keys with his loser small family!! small poppa,,,,flatchested momma,,,,I put it up to mock him as he CLAIMS to have “perfect genetics”-but I am thankful( gleefully) that U also notice what a LOSER he is!!!!
        ,,,,if U are nice to meeeeeeeeeeeeeee I will re-place MY avatar with MY deeee-lightful photo
        =================================
        but– ya gotta beg me 1st

      • Wow…two degrees and dont know the difference between you’re and your. Sadly, that explains your educational level.

      • Michael Morris

        And doesn’t know the difference between your’re and your….:)

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey Einstein:
        wanna tell us all what “YOUR’RE” means–in American?
        we await thy nugatory and infantile reply

      • TheSotSays

        Sorry to bring it to your attention Mr. Curly Homo, but you seem to have lost the thread of the conversation.

      • Um…theres no such word as your’re….its you’re….for you are….as in you’re an idiot.

      • PoliticalThorn

        A degree in history and political science doesn’t make any ones position correct, and more specifically yours.

        The arrogance of the position you take and your rapid resort to name calling is very typical of the “alleged patriots” your siding with, who; often seem to revel in ignorance and belittle knowledge and education. It’s often prevalent in the sea of misspelled signs at their rallies.

      • Cambel

        The right wing has used taxpayer money to buy into and bail out the U.S. financial system in the largest socialist intervention in world history. Funny how you lie and claim to hate socialism but completely support the corporate welfare and socialism running rampant right now. In other words, you hate Obama and will make up any story that allows you to claim any issues against the govt.

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        Obama Delegate in 2008, Ron Paul Delegate in 2012, and if you are still blinded by the left-right paradigm good luck to you sir. Bankers own both parties, I suggest you research the history of the Federal Reserve.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        then bring ur rifles and fight our military– we would love to join hands at your funeral

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yeah,,,especially that silly “well regulated militia” which will eviscerate you if U try to shoot soldiers/said militia with your pop guns
        start with ted nugent

      • Your people are whats wrong with America. Vigelante justice is no justice at all. Its people like you that make Americans look stupid and uneducated. Your ‘class’ of people pull down the collective intelligence of all Americans.

      • Julie Wickstrom

        The Tea Party didn’t do anything to protect my first amendment rights. They are the court jesters of politics currently. Socialism is a failed political structure, not a cult. We do share the costs of some basic needs like roads, fire fighters, police, and now some healthcare like other civilized societies. If that’s socialism, live with it and quit whining. The point of the article is that some tax dodging jerk was too cheap to hire an accountant to find the loopholes or pay his fair share like the rest of us. Now he is going nuts. I hope all the women around run far away from this crazy fool and his helpers.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      cult within a cult– white aging religious trash fortified(??) by the absoluteness of JEEEESUS being on their side– even though jesus was basically a socialist who cared about the less fortunate.
      todays tea party white “Christians” would hang him once they found they couldn’t control or purchase him

  • ceara_red

    not only are these yahoos gaining political power, they’re also getting more aggressive, more pissed off and more coordinated (with weapons ever at the ready to kill whomever they “think” needs to be dealt with “by any means necessary.”

    this domestic terrorist freak show is starting to scare me far more than any of the foreign terrorists ever did.

    • HISTORIANSREALITY

      You aren’t a property owner I see. Renter.

      • GCA

        that has nothing to do with this. What the hell is wrong with you?

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        Because you clearly don’t understand how property taxes work, or what “title” is. lol

      • Clareta

        He is not the property owner either. He doesn’t own that land. He claims the federal government doesn’t so he doesn’t have to pay for it’s use. He claims he does not recognize the Federal Government and that Nevada owns the land. How convenient when he owes decades of grazing fees. Nevada’s own Constitution gives the Federal Government this right. This has nothing to do with property rights or taxes or titles. Since he has none of those.

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        Nevada did not have the right to change grazing rights without honoring previous title/deed arrangements. That was their argument in court, and they lost. 90% of the west is now owned by the Feds. Keep arguing for crony capitalism—Harry Reid is selling the land to China, regardless of your or my views.

      • gmartini

        Good Lord—your little conspiracy BS is just that—BS.

        I normally do not like to use Wikipedia as a source, but they have a very good article about this situation with links to more credible sources. Enjoy educating yourself.

        Since I cannot post a link, google Bundy Standoff from Wikipedia.

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        How is that a conspiracy when it is now public record? Are you fucking retarded?

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        Wikipedia: Jackass and find your picture next to it you poor fuck.

      • gmartini

        Google this: vaffanculo, cazzo!

      • Pipercat

        Marron! Cetriolo…

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        brilliant comeback when confronted with facts!!!
        ==================================== more crybaby strategy from FOX “news” and white trash shitbags

      • strayaway

        I never heard anything about Harry Reid ‘selling the land to China’ but there are rumors that Reid’s son is a lobbyist for a Chinese solar firm ENN that might be interested in locating some of its solar panels on BLM land. Senator Reid has himself tried to lobby NV power to purchase any power produced by these solar panels. ENN would also be required to produce solar panels in Nevada.Solar panels would also provide shade for endangered desert tortoises.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        that’s actually pretty cute!

      • Cambel

        This guy is just another taker mooching off the taxpayers. He has no problem selling his cattle across state lines under the U.S. laws. Again, he is just another lazy moocher looking for a free handout from the taxpayers.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        well-done altering of topic U did there!!!
        delightfully akin to FOX “news” mantra

      • WakeUpHardworkingAmericans

        I know these people, the Bundy family and many of their friends. This article must be written by Harry Reid or Pelosi, Holder or Obama because it is all lies! Bundy and friends are hard-working Americans. Not terrorists. They are good people who simply want to keep their cattle to graze on public lands. People do not get it that US Citizens paid for public lands through taxes and people like the Bundy’s who defended their rights to use it.
        I hope people wake up.
        The Tea Party is not the problem. The media is paid by the Communist establishment who want to control the “sheeples” like you.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I certainly do— wanna play hardball about property with me?
        taxes? rollovers? havens? cash VS reported income(s)? mortgage backed securities???
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        ( clint eastwood) ” go ahead…make my day”:

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I own 5: my home and 2 commercial real estates and 2 residentials — all generate my passive residual income which has me sitting very pretty financially. Im a white liberal who laughs at crybaby white trash regressives such as you.
        NOTE: I live in south florida ( east; pompano beach) not some land locked shithole like U live in
        ====================================== the loser cowboy didn’t pay his long long standing bills

      • Michael Morris

        Moe/larry & Curley keys,
        It’s obvious to me, you haven’t learned there are many people who have 10 times your value who chose to be land locked.
        Bragging about your small fortune doesn’t make you look any smarter than you are.
        Try having dignity. That and true contentment, will make your value worth something….

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey kreskin: (A) I wasnt talking to you– (B) evidently U and your billions are landlocked; ergo thy fortune is wasted- try living in se florida ( oct thru may) AND then tell me about your landlocked scumbag place. 10 time my value? wow– I would rather be me than Donald “bald and portly” trump as I have health; money and a great lifestyle. I look good and have been drilling great looking slim big chested women all my adult life– try it some time b4 U decry it( if U are anatomically and aesthetically able to) and the debaucherous benefits it gives.
        –dignity is overrated. all I care about is me: which includes those close to me. I do NOT care about scumbags who are so stupid that they spend their lives in a landlocked “pretty as a picture” area through ignorance and lack of moxie. The high quality people in my life prove to me my dignity: not some crybaby who I didn’t talk to and now attempts aspersive rhetoric ala some religious schoolmaster power trip. Go back to your voodoo/superstitious church and pray(beg) to a fake man made god and give some of your vast fortune to them. U are jejune and of no value

      • Hadenoughofthestupidty

        moe/larry & curley keys….you’re a doucebag! You have drifted completely off topic here, which I suspect is because your brain is now located in your pants. May the fleas of a thousand head of cattle infest your crotch!

  • disqus_cN1MY6g5YO

    He needs to assume a position of celibacy from here on, because no woman in her right mind would ever sleep with this idiot!!!

  • Sunny Ray

    Shouldn’t those guys be in jail? I mean, there was a kid put in jail for using some words playing video games… what about those ones being serious?!?!?!?!?!

  • Karlheinz Groeger

    The cattle aren’t the animals!

  • Pipercat

    I’d ask the rank and file of this group: Would you be willing to risk the lives your mothers, sisters, daughters and wives over nothing more than a dispute regarding grazing rights?

    • Charles Vincent

      Considering some of the stuff I have read on this yes I would. The real question is, is the juice worth the squeeze? Not would you risk it. Those that showed up seemed to think it was worth it to them to stand with their fellows.

      • Pipercat

        Not for grass that will eventually turn to manure….

      • Charles Vincent

        they need manure to fertilize crops.

      • Pipercat

        :))

      • Phil Keast

        Attend a political convention, of either party. The amount of bullshit spouted would fertilize continental America, North and South, for a decade.

      • Charles Vincent

        Don’t need to I can see it every time one of them is on TV talking.

    • Julie Wickstrom

      Agreed, it is not worth any lives for that man to avoid the paying his due.

      • Pipercat

        All this over scrub brush, cattle and manure…….

  • geminijeanna

    sick cult

  • Cemetery Girl

    Maybe it’s my lack of sleep talking (I do have 4 kids), but these type remind me of the patriot militias of the 90’s. That isn’t a good thing. I can’t say that I have a vivid 9/11 memory. Oh, I was old enough, but I still just remember the aftermath. I remember (having lived in a heavily air and truck route) not a single plane or vehicle on the street. It was like the world ended. Oklahoma though, I remember that clearly. I remember watching the footage in horror as they played it that day. I remember crying (heavily, and still do) seeing the picture of the baby being carried by a fire fighter. The carnage might have been worse, but to me there is no greater horror than the carnage that one of our own can cause to their own. Someone that was born here, raised here, have lived their while lives w people like they’re killing, sat at lunch w those people. No detachment. No cultural difference. That is horrifying to me. I don’t hate people that grew up half a globe away, had experiences we can’t imagine. But blow up a building full of people, place the bomb so children (small children, not old enough to even be in kindergarten) will die, that is unforgivable. I know, by sheer numbers 9/11 was much, much worse. I get that. But our own killed a great number of people too, sadly a large amount just babies, so I don’t buy the whole “terrorists come from overseas” BS. They’re here too, and the ones here are just as dangerous if not more so.

    • strayaway

      Not to disagree but Oklahoma City reporter Jayna Davis followed up on Iraqi connections. She was fired when an east coast publisher bought her OK paper. The FBI took some of her files. She covered both the Iraqis in Oklahoma City who consorted with McVeigh and Terry Nichols’ frequent trips to an Islamic area of the Philippines where his second wife came from. Jayna Davis’ reporting did not fit into Bill Clinton’s post bombing strategy of using this event to get rid of his domestic opposition. McVeigh, who by all accounts was guilty, must have set a record for his speedy execution. The Oklahoma City bombing on April 19. 1995 that killed 168 was probably a response to President Clinton’s assault on Waco on April 19, 1993 that left 68 incinerated or shot. No appeal trials, nothing. That shut McVeigh up.

      • Pipercat

        The fallacious one is now drinking Sterno…

      • strayaway

        Why don’t you just look up a Jayna Davis article like the “The Iraq Connection” as found in the Wall Street Journal and have your condescending know nothing argument with her? From the article-

        “Larry Johnson, a former deputy director of the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, also has examined Ms. Davis’s voluminous research. “Looking at the Jayna Davis material,” Mr. Johnson says, “what’s clear is that more than Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were involved. Without a doubt, there’s a Middle Eastern tie to the Oklahoma City bombing.”

      • Pipercat

        I did, too bad she shit on her career with a bunch of unsubstantiated allegations and hastily drawn conclusions.

      • strayaway

        Ah, yes, a local reporter who has dug in and whose articles appeared in national and British newspapers knows nothing says Pipercat. That must be true because if Pipercat doesn’t want to believe something, who is Jayna Davis to have the audacity to present her research for consideration?

      • Pipercat

        Just because you believe this bullshit doesn’t mean I have to. You see, if this was real, then every money hungry corporate news agency would pick it up in a second. They, unlike you, research this stuff and if it doesn’t add up, it doesn’t add up.

        Like your usual half-baked nonsense, that quote came from an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal in 2002. It has been copied by as many tin poisoned yahoos and put on some bullshit blog. Funny how it went, nowhere.

        Really lame pushing it back on me. Hitchen’s razor, oh supercilious and fallacious one. You have to prove this shit; it’s not up to me to disprove it.

        Oh, and what the fuck does this have to do with the price of cattle in Nevada?

      • strayaway

        With Nevada? Go up the thread and find out. I was responding to Cemetery Girl’s white bread analysis of what happened in OK City. I remembered other takes on this event and the suppression of those perspectives. If you want to believe that the Emperor has a glorious set of clothes, because he told you so, despite evidence to the contrary, that’s your right.

      • Pipercat

        The only Emperor who’s blathering about his fabulous ensemble is you, Emperor Supercilious I of Fallacia!

      • PoliticalThorn

        Why don’t you just post some links to support your claims and positions,

        (Ever notice how viable links are often missing in the posts of the Twilight Zone Right)

      • Sandy Greer

        Links don’t work here. Don’t know why. Try posting one yourself, and see. Links end up in the Twilight Zone, never to be seen again.

        Left/Right – doesn’t have anything to do with it.

      • strayaway

        Links get deleted on this website but you are probably capable of doing your own. Wikipedia has an article ‘the Third terrorist” that touches on Jayna Davis’ thesis. The Los Angeles Weekly, for instance, still has an article titled”An Oklahoma Mystery” posted touching on some aspects of this story.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I thought he used it to lightup his trailer

      • Pipercat

        … and waste it on food or light? Pish, I say!! Nothing like an alcohol poisoned hallucination to convey fine internet based gibberish!!!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        ya got me on dat one there ,,,,,,,,
        but can we agree that he indeed spanks his monkey to anne coulter/michelle malkin?
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        after all; he would DARE look up ” marliyn lange” photos as he would explode

    • Sandy Greer

      Here’s a connection: Put a Dem in the White House (Clinton/Obama) and Patriot/Militia/Separatist/TeaPug types come out of the woodwork.

      Far Right orgs are the largest contingency of home-grown Terrorism. Their advantage is they ‘blend in’ with our population. We have to look at extreme Right rhetoric with the same vigor we do Islamic Extremism.

      We had an anti-tax nut fly a plane into the IRS bldg in TX. Saw ricin letters sent to Obama by a GOP candidate in MS. People hide behind our forefathers (Free Speech/Constitution) to push a Fascist agenda.

      Anti minority/Muslim/poor/union… You name it, they’re against it – with hateful rhetoric to match ANY espoused by anti-American Islamic Extremists.

      HATE is their mantra. Sad to say, white Christian conservatives make up the profile in home-grown Terrorism cases. We just had another (KKK member) in Kansas – wanted to kill some Jews.

      Extremist Hate rhetoric (RWNJs and/or Islamists) is DANGEROUS – and should be monitored carefully, by our government. Because these people are begging for a fight.

  • richard

    These guys are minnows gnashing their little teeth. The government will wait until the news cycle passes on to the next pimple before they return and quietly arrest this cheater. There won’t be anymore Wacos.

  • Liberalgirl

    Did this standoff actually turn out to be about a Nevada political official who was attempting to attain this land in a “round-a-bout” under the radar way??? That is the rumor up in Illinois.

  • HISTORIANSREALITY

    Terrible article. Mack was pointing out Federal Govt was possibly willing to kill women to push their agenda. They threw a pregnant woman to ground and tased her 2 days prior. “Forward Progressives” You people have no idea about private property, the laws of title, clear title, etc. This is a huge infringement on States rights, and the Federal Court system ruled incorrectly on this one. Another twisted version of socialist reality, just like their twisted version of history. Harry Reid sold this land to the Chinese for a reason. #Mafia #IgnorantSocialists

    • mark12

      For someone who claims to have a college, you seem to be absurdly uninformed. Or perhaps misinformed.

      Go and double check your definition of “socialist.”

      • Godzilla104

        He can’t do that. He’s going by the Fox News version of “socialist”. So he has no idea what he’s talking about. Of course, like Fox, that won’t stop him from opening his uninformed mouth anyway.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and tithing every sunday in the voodoo basket

      • Phil Keast

        I’ve been trying to wrap my head around what definition of “socialism” seems to have wormed its way into the brains of so many people and engendered such a knee-jerk reaction. Mostly by trying to watch how the word is used, and the context in which it is used.

        [I’m not suggesting the poster on whom’s post I am piggy backing this comment is among that group of knee-jerk uninformed people who run in circles screaming “it’s socialism, the world is ending, run for your guns”].

        I’m beginning to think that some people equate socialism with centralized government control and ownership of the means of production and the subsequent redistribution of the products of labor by a centralized government. The problem is, this is the consequence of some attempts to implement socialism on a national level, it has nothing to do with socialism but is a by-product of socialism’s head on collision with greed and ambition.

        Socialism, at its most fundamental level, is about the collective ownership of the means of production. Sounds really scary, but here are some examples of successful socialism that may be a little less confronting.

        The shareholders of General Motors share common ownership of the production lines of the General Motors vehicle factories, among other things.

        Farmer’s Cooperatives are a way of sharing the resources necessary for production (seed stock, water rights, bulk purchase of fertilizer, etc.), and the marketing and distribution of the agricultural products of the labor of their members.

        These are two with just a few minutes thought and virtually no research. I’m sure there are plenty more, (Australian Wool Board, OPEC, etc.) but I’m late for a date, as they say, and have to leave it there.

        [Edit:]
        One final, quick note, the fight against socialism was lost before it began, since the term was coined to describe an existing social structure within capitalist societies, not to create a new one.

        [Edit 2:]
        Communism is a whole different barrel of fish, although equally misunderstood by many commentators (especially since attempts to implement it have also had to deal with human greed, existing hierarchies and the creation of new hierarchies, resulting in their near universal failure as social experiments).

        Note: I’m not a Communist, but a supporter of Democratic [i.e: citizens having the right to vote for and elect their governing agencies, not the US political party with a similar name] forms of government. To paraphrase (not sure of the original citation); “All forms of government are flawed, ours is just less flawed than others”. Although I’d add the caveat that we haven’t tried all possible forms of government, but of those we have, Democracy is, to me, the best we have at the moment, and a good foundation for any future models of social organization. However, I am less than convinced that democracy is inextricably entwined with free-fall capitalism.

      • Sandy Greer

        An anarchist is an extreme Libertarian; a socialist an extreme Democrat, and a fascist, an extreme Republican. ~ Andre Marrou

        ^^^Andre Marrou is Libertarian; ran for president in 1992, and VP in 1988 (unsuccessfully) Libertarians are the third largest party here in the USofA.

        More than a grain of truth in what he says. We’ve probably both seen ‘true’ Libertarians here argue for Anarchy. 😉

        Basically, it’s a ‘fallback’ position: The Right accuses Dems of Socialism because they fear their taxes support Welfare Queens on Food Stamps: That’s all they see – because that’s all they WANT to see.

        So, it’s more to do with ‘begrudging’ others than Socialism. Republicans here are known as the Party of No – for good reason. NO is almost a Point of Honor to them, and one of the most difficult obstacles to break through, between Dems/Repubs.

    • Sandy Greer

      Interesting thing, about private property.

      See, there’s a fight going on in Nebraska right now, about Eminant Domain being used by TransCanada to seize REAL private property (not BLM land) for the Keystone Pipeline.

      ^^^You’d think GOP/TeaPugs/other assorted RWNJs would be all over that. Libertarians, too. I mean, you can’t expect us Forward Progressives to fight that fight – not when we have “no idea about private property, laws of title, clear title, etc” – can you?

      Oddly enough, The Right has been strangely silent on the issue. Crickets. Twisted, for sure.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        he wont reply to that as its painfully factual

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      we will see how this plays out wont we? wanna bet the dirtbag pays the fines???

  • GCA

    kill them all. but get the women the fuck out of there first.

    • HISTORIANSREALITY

      Lol GCA would of jumped on the Hitler/Stalin bandwagon in no time. Haha what a piece of sh*t.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        well; at least those 2 didn’t suck the voodoo penis of religion
        ==============================================
        NOTE: the NON partisan CBO just today said the ACA will cost 5 BILLION less in 2014
        ===========================================
        ,,,,as never reported on any white trash regressive TV show

    • HISTORIANSREALITY

      You are trash. Go back to your Occupy dirty hippy commune and take a bath.

      • JustTheFactsMa’am

        “dirty hippy commune”? You stuck in the 60’s??? And, btw, you’re an ass. In any age.

      • HISTORIANSREALITY

        lol naw I live next to Boulder, CO, where the hippies flow like wine. Yay Communism! Yay Socialism! History is wrong! Socialism works! Yay!

      • Sandy Greer

        Maybe you should kick back, smoke a li’l somethin’, and let a li’l ‘mellow’ rub off on you.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        vote tea party so we can have JEEEESUS in government and get those darling republican policies back— see: crushing debt/wars/housing bubble/ tax cuts for Donald trump

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        sounds like u cannot get a female; ergo abuse them.
        ,,,,,,,,,the guy is a dirtbag who didn’t pay 20 yrs of fines.
        I beeee-eeeeve that regressive crybaby rightwing will call that a moocher??

    • HISTORIANSREALITY

      Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Kill yourself.

  • Laura

    Um. Wow.

    Have you all ever seen Red State? I expected a quasi political but still funny drama Kevin Smith movie (like Dogma). It was…. unexpected. And sticks with you. Check it out, if you haven’t yet.

  • Sandy Greer

    Executive Order 12548 authorized those grazing fees. Signed, in 1986, by no less than Ronald Reagan himself, when he was president.

    ^^^Chew on THAT awhile, right-wingers!

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      Reagan was a liberal commie by todays rightwing trash

  • HistorianReality

    You are wrong. The Constitution is quite clear: Federal Law supercedes State Law. Your juvenile attempts to use Nullification to pick and choose which laws to follow based on your whims as a libertarian have been judged by the SCOTUS to have no merit. The letter of the law is the letter of the law. Period.

    From the Constitution, Article Six, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

    You. Are. Wrong.

    • Pipercat

      Don’t worry, he’ll just say Harry Reid sold the Constitution to the Chinese.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        what he fails 2 realize is that YES; indeed harry reid DID sell the ‘constitution’ to a chinese warlord!!
        ==============================================
        it was a splendid 24 inch hard lexan model with terrific masts and costly riggings to showcase the great vessel we had a couple of years ago in our fleet

      • Pipercat

        Old plasticsides…

    • strayaway

      Federal law does supersede state law but “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” -10th Amendment

      The question would then be where the Constitution delegates such federal powers to own land, declare First Amendment free speech rights invalid outside of “free speech zones” on that land, and manage that land with what look like militarized “police”. We wind up with scenes of BLM swat teams vs. cowboys that look very much like the Pinkertons versus the Wobbly miners this time tossing women to the ground.

      • Sandy Greer

        Oh, good Lord.

        >BLM swat teams vs. cowboys? Pinkertons vs. Wobbly miners?

        ^^^Hyperbolic Rhetoric, much? With just a touch of Paranoia thrown in, for good measure? Next we’ll be hearing about black helicopters circling, and FEMA boxcars waiting…

        Any women ‘tossed’ were there for The Cause. Just like any other protest; any other woman with her man – up to, and including, Ruby Ridge. Unless you think those ‘stand your ground’ (and any other grounds you can seize) RWNJs held ’em captive – give a lady credit for being able to make up her own mind – where she stands, and where she gets ‘tossed’.

      • Pipercat

        One of his straw men on acid responses…

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yep………….. funny how its ok for a Canadian company to try to grab americans land ( pipeline fiasco) but when a dirtbag doesn’t pay fines hes a patriot??

      • strayaway

        Pinkertons works well. Corporations used to hire Pinkertons to break up unions. Sometimes troops were sent in to accomplish the same thing. Now we have militarized police sent in with swat teams and armored vehicles to do the bidding of the Reids and their Chinese patrons. Just like the good old days of Pinkerton but with the China twist.

        Margaret Houston, the sister of Cliven Bundy, said she was tackled from the back, with no warning, and thrown to the ground. If “tackled from the back”and “thrown to the ground” works better for you than my choice of words “tossed”, I’m ok with that.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        the work of reid and his Chinese patrons
        =================================
        people actually try to engage in normal conversation with acerebral cretins such as you?

      • Sandy Greer

        We’ve had this convo before. This is not a Police State. You speak without fear. Black helicopters don’t circle your house; militarized police don’t lay in wait for darkest night to kick in your door, and haul you off to a FEMA boxcar, where you never see the light of day again.

        Am I supposed to have a Pity Fest for poor Margaret? I remember the Peace Movement, and the Vietnam War Moratoriums. Now, THOSE were some protests! Complete with shootings, and tear gas, and water cannons, batons, and dogs. No, what happened out there in the desert was barely even a dust up – and I mean that literally.

        The Right pays ‘lip service’ to Personal Responsibility. While poor Margaret whines and cries ‘rough treatment’ at the hands of Storm Troopers after running cattle on lands she doesn’t own, and doesn’t want to ‘lease’. She and her brother. And you back her up, with assertions of a Police State.

        It would be laughable. Except, like I say, I remember those Vietnam protests.

        Please don’t trouble me with Pity Fests for poor Margaret, and others who talk a good game – but don’t have the Courage of their Convictions enough to lay it all on the line – and accept ‘personal responsibility’ for their actions.

      • strayaway

        I never said this is a police state. I choose, instead, to note that we have more and more features of a police state being constantly added. Actually, there are websites I don’t open because I don’t want to be associated with them for fear of being associated with them. So the chill is beginning to settle but only a little so far. Today, for instance, I read that the IRS has fined an organization I have contributed to for not handing over its list of donors. Drip, drip. Last week, a CEO lost his job for personally contributing to a traditional marriage group. Drip. I’m not sure how that personal information got out. East Germany was worse of course. It is just that we are slouching in that direction. James Clapper LIES to Congress but Congress doesn’t act even after Diane Feinstein complained about being spied upon. Why? Now we have BLM designated “free speech zones” and people on this website don’t seem to care. Instead they pretend to understand the history and intricacies of federal leasing laws or try to make the issue about interpreting something Sheriff Mack said that wan’t acted upon.

        I don’t care whether you have a “Pity Feast for poor Margaret” Clinton’s women, or single mothers living on the Obama checks for that matter. I thought you didn’t like my choice of words so I quoted Margaret. Good point about the Vietnam era protests though. Lyndon Johnson chased me away from the Democratic Party for good not that I’ve ever been comfortable with most Republicans.

      • Sandy Greer

        IRS: Was that some tax issue? A 501c, maybe? Where I contribute, I don’t mind who knows. What I don’t want to see the light of day – I don’t do.

        Most CEOs have been fired. One thing or another. Goes with the territory.

        Ours is the choice. But Freedom isn’t Free. It’s bought, and paid for, by people who take a ‘stand’ – in public, for all to see. So we must have the Courage of our Convictions.

        We all have different ‘issues’. I might take issue with those who characterize single mothers as living on Obama checks. While yours is BLM “free speech zones” (and Police States) Still others seize on gay/civil rights issues. We ‘get to’.

        I’ve mostly been Dem; flirted some w/3rd parties. Lost patience w/GOP during Clinton years – and totally appalled and repelled by the Hate I see on The Right these days. So much so, I registered GOP, so I can vote against my TeaPug Congressman in the Primaries. 😉

        I’m glad you’re not too ‘comfy’ w/GOP. You’re not such a bad guy, strayaway, LOL Actually, I took you for a Libertarian?

      • strayaway

        Something like constitutional libertarian with some fiscal conservative notes. A total libertarian is an anarchist. I am not that. I even voted for the last two local school millage increases although I would shut down the DOE. I don’t know the history of it but wonder why the federal government owns most of the land and mineral rights in Nevada. Its sort of like why the Chinese Army owns so many corporations or why Sherwood Forest wealth was set aside for the elite.

      • Sandy Greer

        Why the Feds own the land? Probably because nobody else wanted it.

        Ever driven Hwy 50 across Nevada? Loneliest road in America; you can drive for hours without seeing another car in either direction.

        Yucca Mtn is in Nevada. Area 51, too. And the nuclear test sites. So…

        Wonder why so many folks showed up at a ranch nobody ever heard of out in the desert somewhere – those weren’t all locals. Outside forces (TP?) ‘seized’ an issue:

        Probably the same folks bewail Welfare Queens on Food Stamps. But a rancher owes $1mil+ to the govt (you, and me) for running cattle on lands not his? Time to make a stand against The Man.

        ^^^I got a distinct whiff of Hypocrisy there.

        It’s not uncommon that mineral rights be retained when land is sold. Even private property.

      • strayaway

        I can understand the federal government buying land for military bases, various functions in Washington DC, and other related needs. Owning 84% of all the land in Nevada raises questions though when most of it could be deeded to the State or sold to ranchers, mining companies, brothel owners (joke), and other developers. My issue though isn’t what Bundy’s grazing rights consist of because I do not know its history and all the laws and contracts pertaining to that dispute. Maybe you do? I am aghast though at the military show of force and the BLM’s attacks on freedom of speech. I would rather position these BLM resources on the Mexican border where they could do some good. Instead, we have a fairly open border while government sharpshooters point their guns at ranchers and arrest people taking pictures.

      • Sandy Greer

        >we have a fairly open border

        ^^^You’re kidding, right? What state do you live in, that you think that?

        See, this is the stuff that just makes me nuts. I know you won’t believe it – we’ve had this convo before. But it’s TRUE: Obama has deported more than any other president. Done more on that border than any other.

        I myself have been stopped in the Coachella Valley (approx 75mi north of border) and down in Organ Pipes (10-15mi north) This is INSIDE our borders, WAY north.

        Two things to Google:

        1) Top DHS checkpoint refusals = 14-15min of folks (like you, and me) getting stopped DEEP inside our borders

        2) US Border Patrol interior checkpoints = a (partial) list of permanent checkpoints; impermanent (moving) checkpoints not shown

        Now. The Right/Libertarians (and even Lefties) would say we shouldn’t be stopped at all. But it IS happening. So PLEASE don’t tell me the border is ‘open’. Because I know better.

        Canada? That’s another story. ‘Course, we don’t ‘fear’ the invasion from the north, like we do the Latinos. Oddly enough – considering where the 9-11 hijackers came through.

        In short, ‘open border’ claims SMACK of Xenophobia.

      • strayaway

        No, quite serious. Assuming that border patrol agents work 40 hours a week 49 weeks a year and all agents are minding the Mexican border rather than doing paperwork, supervising, or anything else, we have an average of about one border agent every 2,467 feet guarding that border much of it without barriers of any sort. Imagine China trying to hold back the Mongolians with one soldier stationed every half mile. That would be my definition of a “fairly open border” except we are dealing with an economic invasion… for now.

        Yes, I am “xenophobic” with respect to losing US jobs and the inability of US workers to improve their lot. There are an estimated 11.7 million illegal aliens in the US, 8 million of whom have jobs while 22 million Americans remain unemployed. 34% of 16-17 year olds can’t find work. That’s 60% for black teenagers. I worked on landscape trucks when I was 16. Now the government loans money to kids because they can’t find such jobs. All of this is insane. I would toss cheating employers in prison and heavily fine them for profiting by hiring illegal aliens who work for less. That would probably do more to reduce the illegal alien problems than all the border guards and fences. No incentive, and they will stop coming.

        Why would Canadians want to come here except for the weather and top end jobs? There are legal ways to accomplish both. We don’t need more poorly educated unskilled workers competing with the over supply of poorly educated unskilled US workers. We have too many of them already and with robotics, more computerization, and 3D manufacturing around the corner, way too many.

        Obama with his magic pen and phone is a disaster to US workers overriding congressional laws to keep illegal aliens here thus driving down pay and destroying unions.

      • Sandy Greer

        All that, and nothing about the Googles.

        Bet you didn’t even bother. You don’t want to know.

        Next time somebody insults you for not providing a link (egg avatar) I won’t bother to defend you. Seems you want to tell OTHERS what to Google – but you don’t want to have to learn something new yourself.

        You can have the last word if you like. I know you like that. But I need another break from you.

      • strayaway

        I did my own Googles to come up with all my numbers. I know that Border Patrol has some checkpoints within 100 mies of any US border. I didn’t have any argument with that. I believe you. Again: the encroaching police state. It would be so much easier though to toss the CEO’s of Marriot and Tyson into the same cell to dry up the demand for cheaper foreign labor. To the extent that border patrol agents are elsewhere, that would just mean they are spaced further apart than the 2,467 foot number I came up with. Today, I read that Philadelphia will be releasing illegal aliens from its jails back onto the street unless they committed “serious” crimes. We shouldn’t make petty criminals feel like “others” someone else here was trying to tell me last week. No one believes in borders anymore it seems. They should go to the nearest consulate to have navigators sign them up.

      • Julie Sipes

        Right on, Sandy!
        Paranoia is paranoia…. whether it’s with Muslims or so-called Christians. The tea-partiers, whether they want to acknowledge it or not, are more and more resembling their Islamic counterparts.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        the dirtbag didn’t pay his fines.
        what happens when you or I do NOT pay ; lets say- 20 yrs of parking tickets?
        ==============================================
        funny how the crybabies on the right bemoan fed intervention regarding land “appropriation” yet the same regressives do NOT decry the Canadian company trying to get American land from lawful landowners in the pipeline fiasco!!
        ===========================================
        silly me,,,,,

      • strayaway

        Careful, are you in a BLM defined “free speech zone”? If not, you can be arrested for posting your opinion like people in Nevada. Meanwhile, enjoy Obama’s contributions to the accruing police state.

        I haven’t even take a position on the land issue because I don’t know the history of this debate. Were I asked, I would lean toward the government position that beggars can’t be choosers. However, the BLM BS regarding ‘free speech zones’ is an affront to our free speech rights. How can you tolerate and support that? Also, the other issue of Reid, his lobbyist son, and the Chinese company Reid’s son works for smacks of corruption.

        I’m against the Keystone Pipeline so you are wrong about that too even though it isn’t relevant to this discussion.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        its appropriate when FOX “news’ ignores the easy comparison to TRY to attack whatever it is they are attacking ( today)
        police state? Ive seen nothing in my life as an adult hinting at that– then again: im a law abiding fairly well-off man who just hits the gym; loves big chested women and tries to accumulate tangible assets
        =====================================
        GOOGLE Marilyn lange photos–
        finest looking woman ever to alight upon earth

  • tsam

    PLEASE for the love of dog–
    Radical = left wing
    Reactionary = right wing

  • SallyB

    The gun toting protestors are white American citizens. If they were black or Latino, you can bet they all would have been shot for breaking the law, that includes women and children.

    • TMirk

      You can bet if they were “black or Latino” Harry Reid wound’t be openly working on his son’s behalf to secure the land so this situation would never rear itself. 😉

  • Debbie Hall Belnap

    Imagine using unborn babies as “human shields”. Oh, wait that’s ok. Using anyone as a “human shield” is horrifying. At least with the women, it would be their choice to put themselves on the line. Babies don’t get a choice.

    • Julie Sipes

      The abortion issue is not so simple… There is a woman in the picture who’s a little more than “involved”. Should be up to her, no??

      • Debbie Hall Belnap

        Julie, Thank you for such a civil reply to a tough issue.
        A woman just got arrested in Utah for killing 7 of her newborn babies. To the baby, who is a human being, it makes no difference if it is a minute before the birth or a minute after the birth. Doctors and nurses leave failed abortion babies to die in dirty laundry hampers and garbages. How can liberals get riled up over anything if they can’t get riled up over this dehumanizing act.

      • Julie Sipes

        Hi Debbie. I appreciate your views and understand where you’re coming from and appreciate that you care.. You’re right – it is a “tough issue”. Although I do “tilt” into the ProChoice side of the abortion issue, know that I do not minimize abortion. I see it as a complicated issue, and best to leave the decision to the mother. It’s just not so “black-or-white”. The notion of “personhood”, for example, saying that a fertilized egg is a “person” on par with you and me, opens up a whole can of worms. I DO NOT THINK LATE-TERM ABORTIONS SHOULD BE LEGAL, but in my case I had an ectopic pregnancy about 25 years ago. My life was at risk. Was the emergency surgery I had to save my life – which removed my fallopian-tube and effectively aborted the 8-week-old embryo (“baby”) – “murder”?

        What bothers me and many “liberals” about “pro-lifers” is that they only seem to care about the baby BEFORE it’s born. Once the baby is born, then it’s “You’re on your own”… There is so much hypocrisy it seems from pro-lifers who do not support social policies and programs for “already-born, breathing” life. If the government is going to “tell” a woman she must carry her unborn child to term and bring it into this world, then the least it could do is to help provide and support it.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        best part is aging white regressive phony religious nuts claiming to be pro life and loving executing people; yes– its completely up to the mother
        ====================================
        not some aging white guy who isn’t getting any sex and hates that others are

      • Julie Sipes

        Yes, Moe, many of those staunch “pro-life” white men really don’t give two hoots about the baby. If they did they’d support more of the Democrats’ policies. For those guys, I believe, it’s really more about them controlling women.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and sounding good to the regressive rightwing religious extremists who will vote them into office.
        ======================================
        if U ever get into a “discussion” with some cretins who “KNOWS” jeeeesus is all powerful………………
        ,,,,,,ask them to provide documentation as2when their “GOD” cures an amputee.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        Julie is correct— its up to the MOTHER: not some small dicked aging white trash MAN ( regressive tea party trash) who isn’t getting any sex anyway and spews BS about some dead jewish carpenter who never said anything about abortion anyway

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      funny how the white trash regressive pseudo-Christian scum doesn’t care about babies immediately after they are born.
      enjoy the atrophying of your VOODOO superstitions ( see: religion)

  • John

    Let’s keep Gitmo open so we can send every sorry ass Tea Party member there.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      do U hate cuba? I prefer to let the tea party crybabies move to texas and then secede…… we can watch them TRY to stop mexicans from entering with OUT federal aid; watch them CRY for federal aid when natural disasters hit( hurricanes/ tornados/ETC) and we can help them move my screwball dallas cowboys to somewhere –maybe Orlando fla?? they can all build huge tax free churches and praise jeeeesus whilst they pass the tithing basket

  • John

    Never fear someone who has to resort to collecting firearms to compensate for a small penis.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      glenn beck? Limbaugh? NOOOOGENT???

  • Cambel

    It’s funny, on one hand they hate the United states and the Federal govt. and on the other they keep voting for right wing politicians that keep increasing military spending. Not sure what good all their hoarded guns will do against a govt. that has drones. These people are so crazy they can’t even keep their hatred and paranoia straight.

  • groginohio

    In other words, they’re confessing to being cowards.

  • Madison Jones

    This is so off base and just another way to try an attack the Republicans with BS.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      really! the repubs do a good job of showcasing why they should be attacked– or at least shown to be fools

      • TheSotSays

        You should drop out. You and Rory could have a pick up truck leg-over in the parking lot where The Frontier used to be. He’d likely send you home with a free turtle.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        im not into to turtles unless its the original “demets” candy; which I am certain would screw with your poor genetic teeth which may still remain in your white trash alcohol-laden mouth. Im a long time owner of TEGU’s….. and just purchased a caimen lizard.
        ======================================
        I do understand U couldn’t afford either but your white trash parents might find a nice recipe to cook them into.
        ========================================
        gian keys has scrawny parents; thus he is scrawny

  • Michael Yenglin

    They act illegally, like some form of a terrorist coup d’etat. Not only do they defy the federal government, but the state government as well. Under whose authority does this group believe they are acting upon. If you don’t like how your state handles itself, elect different state officials. Do not, however, take it upon yourself to rebel against the government. There is a legal way to revolt, and that is under state authority, to which they have none. Lock’em all up – they are dangerous.

    • Michael Morris

      Are you serious? You are seriously suggesting the judicial system in the US is a fair and just option to use against the federal government?
      Don’t any of you see or care about the relationship between Harry Reid, his son, and the Chinese government?
      Research past connections of nepotism between Harry Reid and major corporations. This isn’t his first rodeo !

      • Michael Yenglin

        So – you are saying that when ANYONE has a dispute with the government, and the court system does not go their way, they should hold a military style standoff with the government, threaten to place women and children on the front line, and it be 100% acceptable. I’m sorry, if the people (of your state) do not back you, and the federal government does not back you – then you are an armed militant group, taking arms against the government, and should be treated as such. Get the consent of the people, and do it legally. If you lose in court or with the people, then lick your wounds and accept it. We are not a libertarian or an anarchist nation, if you illegally use arms against the government, they have the right to use what ever legal force is required to remove you as a threat to society, the state and national security.

  • Matthew Reece

    The federal government does not legitimately own any land. As it is not an entity that exists like an individual person does, it cannot act on its own without individual agents acting for it, meaning it cannot acquire property by the homestead principle. All of the land it occupies has been gained by murdering the original inhabitants, forcing the original inhabitants to leave their ancestral lands, or purchasing land with money that was stolen through taxation and currency debasement.

    That being said, the Bundy supporters fail to understand that the state government of Nevada is no different from the federal government in this regard. They also have some stupid tactics, as seems to be the primary point of this article.

    As for the general concept of facing down the government with force of arms, this is morally justified but tactically unwise. Government is an initiator of force, therefore force used against its agents is self-defense and therefore morally justifiable. It just tends to be unwise because they have much more force of arms.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      translation: don’t f*ck with uncle sam legally or physically. possession is 9/10ths of the law.
      and—– all is fair in love and war: which means the US government took control VIA slaughter/coercion and financing so they do indeed own the land.
      if someone knocks u out and steals your watch and wallet and shoes he now owns them

      • Matthew Reece

        So, you agree with my position that the only “legitimacy” a government can have is based on the ability of its agents to steal from, assault, kidnap, and/or murder people who disagree.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        written as such I must agree–
        can U tell me through history when it didn’t happen?
        hmmmmm,,,,,,, ancient Sparta,,,, the phoenecians,,,,,, rome,,,,, the visigoths,,,, huns,,,,,, vandals,,,,,, Persia,,,
        —–and we aren’t even touching the chaos in china!
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        all ‘civilizations’ start with destruction and HISTORY is written by the victors.
        AGAIN: all fair in luv and war– the end does justify the means and to the VICTOR goes the spoils
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        that’s the way it is; has been and will be

      • Matthew Reece

        It has been this way at least since people formed states (roughly 6400 BC), and it must change before it leads to human extinction.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        as all things MUST pass; inevitably mankind will cease–
        luckily my life will be over and I don’t care about future generations. the strong survive; natural selection is an absolute

  • Michael Morris

    Why isn’t anyone from the Liberal side of the isle looking into the abuse of office by Harry Reid and his son?
    There is more to this than the Bundy situation. Look at the history the Bundy’s have grazing that land and why they were forced to stop. Reid is provoking Americans by his unscrupulous behavior.

  • Julie Sipes

    Wow… Sounds so much like Muslim-extremists!

  • Julie Sipes

    This is what unchecked fear and paranoia does… Doesn’t matter the race or the religion.

  • John DeWitt

    So, CSPOA’s Sheriff John Mack is the object of liberal-lefty taunts for his suggestion that women be placed in front of the lines of any force defending against a federal assault on the Bundy Ranch. I don’t know why Sheriff Mack thinks such a tactic would be all that effective, or why his critics find it to be all that controversial, since the federal government has long demonstrated that it has no qualms about taking the lives of innocent women and children. Exhibits in evidence:

    A) Wounded
    Knee;

    B) Vicky Weaver at Ruby Ridge;

    C) Waco.

    • PRIME79

      If these so called men didn’t hide behind women and children then maybe some of that could have been avoided. Your argument is no different than that of Islamic radicals that hide amongst civilians and then cry foul if civilians are harmed when some one comes for them. Its pathetic. If Im about to fight a guy and he pulls his girlfriend or little sister in front of him, between us, Im going to fall over in hysterical laughter at the sheer cowardice of the guy. I dont even think I could fight a guy that would do such a thing. But if I swung and she got hit that’s entirely on him for pulling her in. I was aiming at him and he turned coward. These types of “men” put women and children directly into harms way as a deterrent because they know that real men dont wish any type of harm on women or children, especially not in a fight which is between 2 men or groups of men or armies of men. Unlike the “men” willing to put them directly on the front lines and hide behind them while talking shit. Much like the civilian casualties, the harm that befell those women and may befall any more to come in these situation is 100% on those that put them into these situations. Cowards, all of them.

      • LibertyLane

        Nobody was hiding, especially behind women. They were all front and center, and that’s what pissed you and the crooked, overreaching govt off. Men and women with bigger brawn than you. But I get the feeling its ok with you that fed agents had their weapons trained on US citizens so fat cat politicians can make even more money? All they have to do is shut down another American’s life’s work and give him a few payoff pennies to shut him up. This is the government you want?

  • Robb Thompson

    Conservatives seem to have no problem pitching women and children into a starvation existence by denying them food assistance and unemployment compensation. I for one believe that a not insignificant number of them would cheer being able to target them directly, just like they cheered letting sick people die due to a lack of adequate insurance.

  • LibertyLane

    Clifton, you are as bad as this administration of bullying thugs. Writing garbage that is opinion instead of truth. Blaming a rancher, his family and friends for “planning” a “massacre” just because they stood their ground when the fed gov sent ARMED AGENTS against citizens of their own country. Do you people EVER read the Constitution? Do you have ANY IDEA what sacrifices our founding fathers and their families made and for what reasons? Put your blundering pen down before you poke your other eye out…

  • Maryland Girl

    Of course he has relaxed conversations with the republicans. They’re LIBERAL! Though I’m not a Tea Partier, I am a Constitutionalist. I stand with those at Bundy Ranch. This government is corrupt. They are the terrorists.

    This article is full of bullish*t and the writer knows it. He’s not concerned with the truth apparently. I wonder if they’ll try and arrest the millions of us who show up in D.C. on May 16th for Operation American Spring.

    I guess that is where the drones come into play!

  • SWEETSWOO

    This is Domestic Terrorism and the Government needs to round them up–They are a danger to us all.

  • rossbro

    This ex-sheriff Mack is just one helluva guy. Put women up front, eh? WHAT A PUSSY ! Him and Bundy must be lovers.

  • Farrakhan4u

    Baoxian? ready? time to be a man

  • Graham__1

    I like how a man like Bundy, who won’t acknowledge the federal government (and therefor the USA and the Constitution) likes to call himself a patriot. The irony is thicker and stinkier than his cattle’s sh-t.