Bernie Sanders Claims His Supporters Aren’t ‘Anti-Clinton’ – Many Proceed To Prove Him Wrong

bernie-sanders-madDuring a Sunday morning interview with ABC’s Martha Raddatz, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders addressed a growing criticism by some (myself included) that a decent chunk of his supporters are becoming hostile, extremely aggressive and every bit as anti-Hillary Clinton as Republicans. Apparently, Bernie doesn’t think his supporters are anti-Clinton – they’re just pro-Sanders.


“I think the gains that we are seeing, and the enthusiasm and the huge crowds that we are seeing, this is not anti-Hillary Clinton,” Sanders said. “This is pro-Bernie Sanders and pro a message that says enough is enough. This country and our government belong to all of us, not just a handful of very wealthy people.”

First, that is probably true for many, and I’m certain that nearly all of his supporters love his message. Heck, most Clinton supporters I know like his message, they just doubt his ability to win the general election. But for him to deny that there’s a fairly sizable percentage of his supporters who are rabidly anti-Clinton is ridiculous. Perhaps they’re just the vocal minority, but I’m getting more and more messages from people saying that they no longer even comment on many political posts because if they dare say anything remotely pro-Clinton, they’re relentlessly attacked by Sanders supporters.

In fact, even in the comments section of a couple of articles I came across that covered his comments, his supporters seemed more than eager to prove him wrong. Here are a few examples of what I mean:

I actually am anti-Hillary. She supports fracking, TPP, keystone pipeline, voted for the Iraq war, is in the pockets of Wall Street, and isn’t concerned about getting money out of politics.

um….yeah we ARE anti-Hillary. She is Bill on steroids. Bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers, Monsanto, and any other beltway bandit that has enough money.

Bernie’s wrong on this one. Yes, I’m strongly pro-Sanders, but I’m ALSO anti-Hillary, because she simply doesn’t represent the Democratic party.

We certainly aren’t going to waste our vote for another Republican masquerading as a Democrat like the Clintons are!

No matter what, I will not vote for Clinton. We can survive a republican in office if that happens but I will write in Sanders’ name because I will not waste my vote on a power hungry, greedy, dishonest person like Clinton.

I would not vote for Hillary on her best day. I’m completely against the establishment politics. I will vote for Bernie Sanders or no one.

You’ve my support Bernie but honestly, many of us are anti-HRC, myself included.

Anyone calling on me to support Clinton in the general election will be disappointed. NO WAY. If Democrats throw her in the general election, they better get ready to lose.

Wrong. I will vote Sanders. If HRC is Dem nominee I will vote 3rd party. There is exactly a 0% chance I will vote HRC.

Clearly not everyone is anti-Clinton, but a whole lot of us are, but given the choice? Even I’d pick love Bernie over hates Hillary, but I still will never support Clinton. Period.

I’m anti-Clinton because I feel that Clinton is the worst choice out of the Democratic candidates.

Bernie that is not exactly correct. I like you. I hate Hillary. (Source)

Then if you really want to see some vitriolic anti-Clinton posts, just visit one of several pro-Sanders Facebook groups. In that group I just linked, there are actual pleas from some Sanders supporters to tone down the anti-Clinton rhetoric because his supporters are developing a rather negative reputation.


What’s ironic about all of this is that Bernie has said he will gladly support Clinton if she wins the nomination, and he doesn’t want this campaign to be a back and forth mud-slinging event – which is what many of his supporters seem eager to turn it into.

I would say this all surprises me, except I actually kind of predicted this a few months ago.

And there’s an underlying problem linked to these extremely aggressive Sanders supporters: It’s actually hurting his chances to win the general election if he were to become the Democratic nominee.

I’ve come across several people who said they were open to voting for Sanders, despite their reservations about him being a democratic socialist (believe it or not, there are a lot of moderate/conservative Democrats who aren’t exactly eager to support someone who identifies as a “socialist” of any type) who’ve said they’re reconsidering that now because of the hostile run-ins they’ve had with some of his supporters. Do I agree with that logic? Of course not.

As I’ve said numerous times, there’s far too much at stake in 2016 to act this petty about the eventual Democratic nomination. The number one goal of everyone on the left has to be to keep Republicans from winning the White House next year. While I support Clinton now, that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t support Sanders (or even Biden) if either were to ultimately win the nomination. Because no matter what anyone might think of any of these candidates, every single one of them is a thousand times better than anyone from the Republican party.

So, to those Sanders supporters who understand that, I want to say thank you. Especially those calling out your fellow Sanders supporters for some of their sounds-a-lot-like-Fox News-rhetoric they’ve been spewing lately. As liberals, we all need to be united by one cause heading into 2016: Stop Republicans from winning. 

There’s absolutely no reason why someone has to be anti-any candidate just because they prefer one over the other. Support your candidate, engage in some great political discourse over the next few months, and when the nomination is all said and done – come together to make damn sure Republicans don’t take back the White House.

Hit me up on Twitter or Facebook and let me know if you’re with me.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Cemetery Girl

    I think the examples of the rabid Bernie supporters aren’t that rabid, and they aren’t near Republican levels. Listing reasons why someone doesn’t support Hillary isn’t rabid. I know that the talk has been just embrace Hillary because at least she isn’t a Republican, but that isn’t a strong message for sending someone to the White House.

    • rebeccagavin

      It is rabid if their information is incorrect and they are deluded about the chances of another candidate to actually win. It is rabid when they call her “Shillary” which is the single most obnoxious and stupid insult in the dictionary. It is rabid when they circulate memes that are false and then throw a fit if anyone points out the misinformation.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Apparently I know Bernie supporters very different than those you know. I’ve only seen memes with quotes from him, which considering he is not taking a mud slinging campaign approach do not mention her.

      • rebeccagavin

        I could show you at least 5 articles written recently about Bernie supporters childish and unflattering attacks on HRC. Either myriad observers are hallucinating, or you simply haven’t encountered it…yet.

      • Donna Bradley

        All written by hilary supporters in an effort to discredit Bernie supporters. I see many many more of hills supporters name call and insult then I do Bernie supporters. Also this tactic from her buddies doesn’t really seem to be working well because we are stronger and growing fast!
        #AnyBlueWontDo #BernieOrBust

      • rebeccagavin

        No they are not all written by Hillary supporters. It is a phenomena that is widely observed, and it will be the subject of much study by future poly sci and sociology students. I just wonder what you bots are going to do when he drops out of the race because he gets creamed in the primaries. Campaigning is expensive and when he loses primary after primary, it will become obvious that he has no chance (it is already obvious to people who truly understand politics). Continuing to piss away the hard earned money of his deluded supporters would be very wrong. When it becomes clear that he won’t win those will dry up anyway.

  • Jen

    Any time there is drama, especially when it is overtly dramatic, that is what the news media covers. It is WAY too EARLY to be fighting among ourselves about loving/hating candidates. I wish the US would put a time limit and a money limit on campaigning. I am tired of it already and we are still over a year from the general election. Why are we talking about that instead of the upcoming primaries? Of course, what I would love to see is the dismantling of the two-party system and the electoral college, but I don’t expect to see that in my lifetime.

  • MrLightRail

    The pro-Hillary crowd needs to STFU, too.

    • rebeccagavin

      Wait a minute. The pro-Hillary crowd does not attack Bernie. We may point out the miniscule chance he has at being POTUS, which I think is equivalent to the chances of life after death, but we have plenty to crow about our candidate, who is brilliant, accomplished, and admired throughout the world. Much of the reasons I have seen given for not supporting Hillary are based in some pretty distorted notions of who she is and what she has done in the world for women, children, and everyone. The well was poisoned, for HRC, when her husband became POTUS and it became obvious that she was nothing like any other First Ladies in recent memory. She is powerful, which gives them severely loose stools. They are the ones that planted the seed that she is dishonest and not trustworthy, and they are the ones that keep watering it. And dumbshit progressives who can’t seem to catch on to critical thinking.

      • zmann

        The problem with Carter, Clinton, and Obama was their centrism killed the party in Congress, local, and state elections. If Hillary is all that good as you claim, then why is the DNC engages in suspicious activities to force out the competition and why is Hillary dependent on Big Money never mind that she’s losing support while Bernie’s keeping it honest with small donations and earning more support. Your last sentence is the reason why Hillary is losing to Bernie. Sure, blame us Bernie supporters for “alienating” while the Hillary supporters do more of their own. Well, that’s ok because Bernie is proving himself to be honest, sincere, authentic, and real center whereas Hillary is opportunistic and evasive on the issues at best and the same political center that turned off the base. Bernie Sanders wants to get the USA caught up with the Nordic nations while Hillary sounds like she’s fine keeping crony capitalism intact with her “I feel your pain but oops, I got to fast track TTIP, oops I have to suspend Social Security and Medicare for a few years, oops oops oops …”. Like other centrist Democrats who have been failing miserably, she turns on the teabagger rightwing base while turning off the progressive base and moderates and independents see her as wishy washy at best. Unless Hillary can prove otherwise, she will continue to lose and even if she’s lucky to get elected president, she’ll further drag the Democratic Party into further losses.

      • rebeccagavin

        FFS – have you tried Clozaril? It works wonders. PS Hillary is not losing to Sanders. Go read some Nate Silver.

      • zmann

        That was totally unprofessional. I hate to break it to you but I already read Fivethirtyeight and even Nate and his pals are feeling less confident that Hillary will win.

      • rebeccagavin

        Unprofessional? Are you at work? Because I am not. Please link me to the 538 column to which you refer. Even if they are doubting Clinton, that does not mean they think Sanders chances have improved. The latest PPP poll, released today, shows HRC with 35% to Sanders 20% in every state but NH and Iowa. Polls conflict about her lead in Iowa, with the Des Moine Register saying it’s 7 points, and Suffolk University saying it’s over 30 pts. Please tell me how this all adds up to HRC losing? And if you don’t get help here, get help somewhere.

      • zmann

        “Unprofessional? Are you at work? Because I am not.”

        Ugh, there’s an online dictionary. As for employment, if you like crony capitalism, Hillary or GOP will be happy to continue the capitalist abuse whereas Bernie will at least try to end it.

        “Even if they are doubting Clinton, that does not mean they think Sanders chances have improved.”

        Apparently, both you and them are in denial and you wonder why readers are hitting back and fivethirtyeight is losing ratings. Of course, it’s possible that Hillary will overcome all that with Big Money to help her buy off votes, DNC rigging the debates against other candidates, and other shady means.

        “And if you don’t get help here, get help somewhere.”

        Sure, while you praise Hillary for getting the Democratic Party establishment, Big Media, and Big Money to help her cheat and steal the primaries away.

      • rebeccagavin

        Wot?

      • rebeccagavin

        Babble.

      • zmann

        Wrong, it’s called truth. And you wonder why Hillary keeps losing support. Keep it up.

      • rebeccagavin

        Hillary is not losing support, my dear sir. Have you not seen the latest PPP polling? She has a 35% lead over Sanders in every state but Iowa and New Hampshire. The Iowa polls are conflicting,The Des Moine Register has her up by 7 and the Suffolk University poll has her up by 35%,and NH is next door to Vermont. To see you attack Nate Silver cracks me the hell up. First you try to tell me that they were backing off their predictions about HRC, I asked you for a link, and instead of providing one, you attack Nate Silver. And this tickles my funny bone especially, because that is exactly what the rightwing did after he correctly called the 2012 race. He uses data and statistics. HE is not missing anything. YOU are a clueless political dilettante.

      • zmann

        Your repetition of the same lies and bs doesn’t make it true nor does it win an argument. I understand that you lost on the arguments and are in denial about it but getting defensive and lobbing ad hominem attacks doesn’t speak well of your character nor does it help Hillary. You keep it up since that’ll hurt Hillary while helping Bernie. You can have the last word.

      • rebeccagavin

        Hey, fuck wit. Numbers don’t lie. Polls are fact. If you want to say that the polls are wrong, then say that, and explain why you believe they are wrong. Tell us the errors in methodology. To simply accuse me of lying, when the polling info I gave you can be very easily verified, just gives proof to the idea that with supporters like you, Sanders does not need enemies.

      • rebeccagavin

        Ha ha ha ha ha! You need to look up the term ad hominem. You have abused it horribly in many of your comments. Ad hominem refers to a logical fallacy in thinking/debating in which one dismisses someone’s entire argument based on an unrelated factor. For example, if I were to say that everything you have said is complete and utter bullshit, because you use a pseudonym instead of your real name, and “everybody knows people who use pseudonyms are liars”, that would be an ad hominem argument. When someone offers objective evidence, such as several polls, and you refuse to acknowledge that evidence, which only requires you to google it, and you continue to call the person a liar, that, right there, is a lost argument. Good day, pal.

      • Chutney Taco

        You are a foul twit, rebecca.

      • rebeccagavin

        Now you have really wounded me. I so care what ignorant people on the internet think of me.

      • zmann

        You can keep denying and lying all you want to but at least it’s becoming more clear why Hillary’s losing.

      • rebeccagavin

        1. Overall polling does not show her losing support among women. 2. She doesn’t have to steal the nomination. I know Nate Silvers statistical analysis hurts your feeling, but the fact is thay you Bernie supporters do not make up a very large portion of the electorate and many of you are non-voters. Nobody gives a shit about you, and your votes are not as valuable as you seem to think.

      • zmann

        Nate Silver can change his predictions as he always does. I just sent him the article on Hillary losing to feminists as well as a recent one on one of Hillary’s emails joking Chinese prisoners in GITMO.

        http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/hillary-clinton-once-joked-about-uighurs-imprisoned-guantanamo-bay-secretary-state

        Have a nice day. LOL !

      • rebeccagavin

        I am sure he was grateful. I imagine he doesn’t have the internet. Nate Silver uses actually statistics to formulate his predictions, hombre. Your Alternet articles are not going to matter, if he even reads them. You are living in a fantasy world. 1st you tell me that Silver and 538 were backing off their predictions about HRC. Then I ask you for a link to where they have said that, and you switch your tune and start putting him down. You don’t know your own ass from last night’s empty beer bottles.

      • zmann

        According to this one, “We Got Berned”, Nate and Harry agree that Hillary keeps losing support.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/

        Even their latest article smells of desperation in trying to stretch it for poor Hillary on race. If Hillary wasn’t losing support and this badly, they wouldn’t be desperately banking on non-whites to rescue poor Hillary. With months to go and Bernie continuing to make inroads into Hillary’s alleged lock on non-whites, I won’t be surprised to see Nate and Harry singing another embarrassingly different tune. Your ad hominem attacks and verbal abuse won’t change that.

      • rebeccagavin

        First of all, websites do not smell of anything, that desperation must be your finger. I read that article, when it was written, about a week ago. I re-read it to make sure I hadn’t missed anything. Yes, HRC has lost support relative to her 60% in April, but that was always to be expected this early in the race. She still commands a major lead over Sanders everywhere but Iowa and New Hampshire, which is not surprising, however, as the article says, the Des Moines Register poll appears to be an outlier, though, as the article also says, they are good pollsters, so take from that what you will. They also admit that they thought Sanders would have stopped gaining new supporters by the time that was written, however, the rate of new supporters has dropped down considerably. Sanders has gathered about all the low hanging fruit he is going to get. He is peaking, more than a year before the election. Winning New Hampshire is not going to help Sanders win the nomination, because there are too many other states where her lead is so considerable that it seems highly unlikely that he can beat her.

      • zmann

        “They also admit that they thought Sanders would have stopped gaining new supporters by the time that was written, however, the rate of new supporters has dropped down considerably. Sanders has gathered about all the low hanging fruit he is going to get. He is peaking, more than a year before the election. Winning New Hampshire is not going to help Sanders win the nomination, because there are too many other states where her lead is so considerable that it seems highly unlikely that he can beat her.”

        Ah, the sweet smell of Hillary continuing to slip and drip. Either Hillary will lose the primaries or the general election in 2016 or she will be the POISON that will drag the Democratic Party down not only in 2016 but also in 2018 and 2020 all over the nation that will give the GOTP undeserved power and dark ages for at least another decade. The GOTP thank you.

      • rebeccagavin

        OK, seriously though, do look into that medication I suggested earlier. I fear you are going to have a psychotic break when Bernie drops out of the race, and Hillary is elected POTUS. Be proactive. Start taking the meds now, and the break won’t be as rough.

      • Sandra

        I wish I could like Hillary. But as long as she continues to avoid answering questions she doesn’t like and as long as she continues to avoid debates with Bernie, my opinion of her continues to fall. She is definitely NOT acting like a powerful woman who is competent to govern the country. Those of us who DO have critical thinking skills can’t help but notice how honestly Bernie answers questions and how he has been saying the same things for decades, so he doesn’t need to change course to be in the right direction. That’s why he draws the crowds and that’s why it’s likely he will win. If Hillary wants people to believe she is honest and trustworthy, then she needs to quit avoiding questions and debates. Avoiding the hard stuff makes one look weak, not powerful.

      • rebeccagavin

        If you have such great critical thinking skills, then you know that candidates who know they can’t win can afford to take all the right stands. But governing is a very, very different thing, which requires the ability to prioritize and compromise, and ultimately sacrifice the perfect for the sake of the good. You don’t use good critical thinking skills if you think your gut telling you he will win outweighs Nate Silvers’ calculations. Silver gives him 5%. He is NOT going to win anything. No candidate can hold their own debates outside of DNC rules. To criticize Hillary for not agreeing willy nilly to debates, more than a year before the election, is just silly. And the Right must be very happy their campaign to smear her works so well on Drm.

      • zmann

        We’d be happy to hold our nose for Hillary if she should win the nomination but people like you are alienating us Bernie supporters talking like that. Bernie has a record of making the GOP compromise whereas Hillary’s record in the Senate is bland and all conceding. As first lady, Hillary failed miserably on health care and after that did nothing. As senator, she rolled over to Dubya on Iraq and even on other bills where she voted against the rightwing, she was instrumental in bringing them up and doing the GOP’s dirty work for them. Biden is similar. It’s funny how she held on to her rotten vote in Iraq until Obama finally overtook her in the 2008 primaries but by then it was too late. As for your lame response to Hillary on debates, sounds like Dubya 2000. But I guess if Dubya can cheat and steal primaries and elections, so can she. No wonder the GOP “love” her as the nominee.

      • rebeccagavin

        My god. What a blowhard.

      • Chutney Taco

        Her IT guy is pleading the Fifth to the Select Committee, and now to the FBI and the IG.

        Hillary won’t answer questions and neither will her subordinates. She’s dishonest and secretive and this IT guy headline is disastrous for her.

        Nothing too fritic thinking to not recognize that about her now.

      • rebeccagavin

        First of all, this is a faux scandal, just like Benghazi. Absolutely no one who is at all politically savvy takes it seriously. Secondly, she has given them the damn server, so why do they even need the IT guy to enter into a hornet’s nest of bullshit? Answer, they don’t. Their entire purpose is to stir up people like you, and feed the attack machine. What questions has she refused to answer that the server does not answer? Answer: none. They are fishing. I wouldn’t want to be put in the middle of that mess either, if I were a tech that used to work for a politician.

      • Donna Bradley

        In addition to all of her scandals she promoted the keystone pipeline, the gold standard TPP, bankers, wall street, Monsanto and is a war hawk.

        Hillary quit the Senate to run for President. Then she resigned from Secretary of State because she was too tired to go on. The job was too much for her to work a second term. Now she’s running for President again.

        Bernie supporters (Independents, Republicans, Democrats) won’t vote for her. Some might but the majority will not. Also
        Republicans that might have sat home will get to the polls to vote AGAINST her.
        She may steal the primary but is unelectable in the general.

        #AnyBlueWontDo #BernieOrBust

      • rebeccagavin

        She has not promoted bankers, Wall Street, or Monsanto, unless you consider knowing and understanding the world view of people in those industries. What do you consider promoting? Elizabeth Warren has endorsed her Wall Street Reform Plan, so what is it about that plan that you disagree with, specifically? Monsanto is not the evil company that conspiracy myth would have it be, science literate people know that. And what evidence is there that she is a war hawk? Some people do consider her a little more hawkish than Obama, but that hardly makes her a war hawk. The Keystone Pipeline had both good points and bad points, she eventually concluded that the bad points outweighed the good, and so she ultimately opposed it. Clinton doesn’t accept or reject any policy based on knee jerk reactions, she is very cautious and she weighs all the pros and cons very carefully, with her brilliant mind. It is very common for SOS to only serve on term. Colin Powell only served one term. She did not resign, she simply did not sign on for the 2nd term which is not at all unusual. The job was not too much for her, and Angela Merkel, took the unusual step of publicly endorsing an American POTUS candidate because she, and most of the other world leaders highly respect Clinton. You are insane if you think she is going to have to steal the nomination. Have you looked at the polls? Do you know who Nate Silver is. You bots are mostly politically unsophisticated types, who have never gotten involved in a campaign before, and have no real understanding of how things work. You bots are much more of a minority than you seem to think, with 300,000,000 people in this country, a candidate can have several million supporters and still be in the minority.

    • Hamblerger

      We can’t control what they say. Pointing a finger at her supporters for doing the same doesn’t begin to address the issue. Refusing to participate does begin to address it.

  • Richard Williams

    I suggest we all support whomever we favor in the primary but agree that we will support the nominee of the party in the general. At 59, I’ve lived through more years of Republican administrations than I care to remember. Just imagine what we will face with all branches of government in Republican/Conservative hands. Bernie may be too left for some; Hillary may be to right for others; Martin may be too dull for all of us; Joe may not run and may be opposed by many if he does. Anyone of them would be better than any of the Republicans, and in our hearts we know it!

    • rebeccagavin

      I’m 58, Richard, and I bet we both cast our first vote for Jimmy Carter. Then came Reagan (Omagherd!) Then the most reasonable Bush. We got lucky with Clinton, but that was also when the enormous suckitude of the right wing attack machine started to become manifest. Right wing talk radio and Fox News reared it’s ugly head like the Loch Ness monster never does. They were and are boldly naked in their intent and shit if it hasn’t worked. Two motherloving terms of the misbegotten Bush scalded out eyeballs and challenged our credulity, in addition to making us broke and unemployed. We got lucky again with Obama, but the Republicans have shown bad faith from the jump.

    • Cemetery Girl

      I favor everyone exploring options before the primary, voting, and then we move on with the candidate selected. I have had complaints with the just embrace Clinton campaign. It has been the assumption that she will be the Democratic candidate since Obama was elected. So far all I have heard about her is essentially that she is still the only Democrat candidate so just accept her, except she’s not. I think it is only right to explore our options and let her campaign winning over voters instead of her supporters telling others to just pick her. At this point I’m afraid that she hasn’t really sold her message. Right now, if she were to face the Republican lead (*shudder*) we would find many not interested in either candidate, which would lead to voter apathy, which Trump has a strong base and could win.

      • rebeccagavin

        When someone has had the amazing career, in the public eye for well over 20 years, that Hillary has had, just what do you need explained to you? You want we should hold your hand, gaze into your eyes, and tell you that which you are perfectly capable of googling? How many books has HRC written? Do you want us to get on our knees and massage your feet while spelling out that most of the negative perceptions of HRC have their roots in the right wing attack machine? HRC is known and respected the world over for her advocacy for women and children. Trump does not have a wide “base”, he has around 30% of the approximately 27% of Republican voters in this country. There is no way the Republican party is going to let him get the nomination. HRC is in the listening mode of her campaign. The election is over a year away. Just yesterday, she came out with a plan for medication assisted treatment for substance abuse…because so many people came to her in IA and NH, pleading for help with the substance abuse crisis in this country. She is not obligated to package and ship “her message” to people who haven’t been paying attention for the past 20+ years, a year before the election. Someone who Nate Silver gives a 5% chance at winning the nomination (Sanders) can afford to say all the right things to push all the right buttons among for Facebook “Progressives”. He has nothing to lose. HRC has the election to lose…and she cannot go promising unrealistic outcomes that she knows she could not get through Congress. If you think Sanders could actually govern if he won, then you must live on another planet. Congress would fight him tooth and nail, more so than they did Obama. Get real.

      • zmann

        “When someone has had the amazing career, in the public eye for well over 20 years, that Hillary has had, just what do you need explained to you?”

        Bernie has a better record from mayor to House rep to Senator unlike Hillary being “first lady” to senator to appointed dept of state secretary.

        “You want we should hold your hand, gaze into your eyes, and tell you that which you are perfectly capable of googling?”

        The burden of presentation rests with Hillary and she failed so far.

        “How many books has HRC written?”

        It doesn’t matter especially since some of them didn’t sell well due to poor quality and silly drama queen crappy content.

        “Do you want us to get on our knees and massage your feet while spelling out that most of the negative perceptions of HRC have their roots in the
        right wing attack machine?”

        We Bernie supporters already know those cozy relationships the Clintons have had with Big Media for the last 22 years and are not fooled. We especially haven’t forgotten how Hillary and Rupert Murdoch of Faux Noise got along just fine.

        “HRC is known and respected the world over for her advocacy for women and children.”

        If that were true, then she would be touting that already but it isn’t so she won’t.

        “she came out with a plan for medication assisted treatment for substance abuse”

        Again, she was just stealing from Sanders and has no plans of doing anything about substance abuse once in office.

        ” If you think Sanders could actually govern if he won”

        He has a history of getting even the GOP to compromise now and then while Hillary has none more than a history of conceding.

      • rebeccagavin

        I didn’t realize you were mentally handicapped. My bad for laughing at you.

      • zmann

        IOW: You’re allergic to facts and truth. Got it.

      • rebeccagavin

        Now you are forcing me to laugh at you. I am so conflicted. If a fact came up to you on the street, you’d call 911.

      • zmann

        RCP only accepts rightwing polls. I thought that Nate Silver was better but I’m disappointed with him seeing his strong pro-Hillary bias.

      • rebeccagavin

        Now, that is about the most scandalously stupid thing you could possibly say. They averaged the 4 most recent polls. Not the most recent right wing polls. There no Rasmussen in there…are you trying to say that the very same Des Moines Register poll that you Berners have been swooning over should be disregarded because it is a right wing poll? (If it is, that is news to me.) Or the Suffolk University poll? Man, you are going down in flames and grasping at straw. Bad combination.

      • zmann

        For you to foolishly suggest that RCP is “liberal” is like saying that MSNBC and CNN are “liberal media” when that’s no longer true.

      • rebeccagavin

        I implied no such thing, you indelible moron. I said that used the 4 latest polls that had been done at the time and averaged them, which is neither Liberal, nor Conservative. Now I’m starting to suspect a poe.

      • rebeccagavin

        What is it about statistical analysis that confounds you so? Statistical analysis does not have a bias, the purpose of doing statistical analysis is to try avoid bias. As far as your chagrin with Mr. Silver, you have something in common with all the Mitt Romney supporters that thought be was going to win, even though Nate said Obama. Guess who was right?

      • zmann

        IOW: Nate bases his “analysis” on generally faulty polling data that usually favors the GOTP but is now currently trying to help Hillary so she can steal the primaries only to get CRUSHED in the general election. Those same pollsters fear Bernie as do Hillary and GOTP.

      • rebeccagavin

        You sad, boy.

      • Cemetery Girl

        I do not want you to do anything. I would like to hear more from her campaign about what she would like to bring about if elected. I have not questioned her intelligence or her personal history. Considering our options is not an attack on her politically or personally. Casting a vote for our next president should be a process that takes actual consideration, not just who is willing to rub feet to get a vote.

      • zmann

        I’d like to see these same Hillary supporters sticking with her after this.

        http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/hillary-clinton-once-joked-about-uighurs-imprisoned-guantanamo-bay-secretary-state

        Hillary has herself to blame on this alone.

      • rebeccagavin

        Yeah, well, consider this. Nate Silver gives him a 5% chance to win the nomination. Consider that when a candidate knows they are not going to win, they are free to say just about anything, realistic, or not. Hillary does not have that freedom because she is a real candidate, and there is a fuckload at stake.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Yes, in this day and age what matters most is how you play the game.

      • rebeccagavin

        Damn right. Ain’t nobody got time for non-players.

      • lynchie

        Well the message I have received for the last 20 years is one of aloofness, entitlement and self interest. Do you honestly believe she wrote those books?
        As far as not being obligated to lay out her policies and plans that is exactly what she needs to do. By saying nothing she stands for the status quo. She is pro wall street, pro banks and is another Thatcher. She has no warmth and has a constant look of it all being beneath her. As far as Sanders being able to govern do you think the right will suddenly giver her a pass….delusional is what you are.

      • rebeccagavin

        Of course I believe what she wrote in her books. Why should I not believe her? Much of her life story has been lived in the public eye, so her accounts of most things are verifiable. You think you are above it, but you have fallen for the orchestrated attack on Hillary since Bill became POTUS and she happened to say she wasn’t “a tea and cookies kind of mother” which set off a firestorm. I don’t know that she was the first First Lady to be actively and openly shaping policy and pursuing her own work, but she was the first in modern times, and the Republican Party has been terrified of her from the get. They would for Bernie to be the candidate. They are happy for people like you, ostensibly left, having soaked up the poison that they have been pumping into the well for over 20 years. It sounds like to me that you should get to know her better while actively putting aside the carefully crafted false image campaign, and seeing the real person. She has policies and plants on her website….let me guess, you haven’t been there.

      • lynchie

        Because you read it in a book? Wow how naive are you. They are all ghost written and sanitized for your reading. Do you think there would be anything negative in a book she had written.
        I know Hillary and what I see and hear I don’t like. Hillary is far right of where the Democratic Party should be. Hell, never mind. You are a Hillbot. good luck

      • rebeccagavin

        As I said, but I will repeat myself for your convenience, most of the events in her books are verifiable. If someone had done some fact checking and discovered that her story didn’t hold up, you would have read about it in every news outlet in the world. Do you have any links to any credible sources that her books were ghost written? Do you have anything other than your brainwashed opinion? You Sanders supporters mystify me, because, on the one hand, you all seem to think you are exceptionally politically savvy, and are all about changing the policies that the right wing has imposed on this country, but you allow yourselves to be influenced by the right wing smear machine that has been dogging her since Bill was elected and she said she was not a cookies and tea type mother. She was the first first lady in modern history to have a role in policy and to not give up her own pursuits just to support her husband. And that blew the right’s mind (because they are not in their right mind). The GOP is terrified of her, and always has been. They want your boy Sanders to be the nominee. You Bernerbots are on the wrong side of history and look like a bunch of naive but entitled kindergarteners.

      • lynchie

        Oh boo hoo. Hillary is in the public eye, she is a politician get used to criticism. Yeah she got involved in public policy a health plan so complicated no one could understand it. No one is terrified of Hillary. She has run on Bill’s coattails since day one. She voted for war in Iraq. I am influenced by no one on the right and would ask have you heard Bernie speak?” No I thought not. You are a rude Hillarybot, keep sucking the clinton tit because she will lose to the GOP she is unlikeable and a liar.

      • rebeccagavin

        Blobitty blobitty dumbshit blah.

      • lynchie

        Read this it is an example of Hillary fitting a bullshit story to sound good for the rubes

        covers her lie about her mother naming her after edmund hillary. Yeah she tells the truth like your ass chews bubblegum

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp

      • rebeccagavin

        Wow, totally ignores very good and rational questions and raises picyune points about her mama. I can have disagreements with serious policy wonks and pols, but your hateful inarticulateness due to your relying on broad and questionable claims because you think you understand politics when you don’t, is decidedly minor league.

      • lynchie

        And other than buying the truck full of crap Hillary puts out tell us about your vast political experience. As far as hateful you have insulted me numerous times you won’t put up with anyone telling you clinton is a liar and as far right as Reagan.

        To prove her a liar all you need to do is look.

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2540811420080326

        In a speech in Washington and in several
        interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed
        in Tuzla, Bosnia.
        Several news outlets disputed the claim and a video of the trip, showed Clinton walking from the plane, accompanied by her daughter. They were greeted by a young girl in a small ceremony on the tarmac and there was no sign of tension or any danger.”I did make a mistake in talking about it, you know, the last time and recently,” Clinton told reporters in Pennsylvania where she was campaigning before the state’s April 22 primary. She said she had a “different memory” about the landing.

        She lied, got caught and then said “i had a different memory”. You and the hillbots are a joke, you are insulting and vile. you have no interest in have in talking to anyone but a policy wonk and pols. You have such an inflated opinion of yourself it is amazing your head fits through a door. Well Bernie will win just because of people like you who bow to the clintons as if they were the next coming

      • rebeccagavin

        You obviously don’t know politics. That is a glaring fact. Clinton has relationships on both sides of the aisle. She is skilled at pulling together coalitions to get things done. That is one of her strong points. Furthermore, she has something like 330 political endorsements right now, and Bernie has zilch. That means that none of his political colleagues are endorsing him. He does not have the relationships, or the chops, to do the job and all the crying, and the calling Hillary names that you have picked up from the right wing smear campaign is not going to chance that one iota.

  • Hamblerger

    It’s pretty simple to me. When I run into one of my fellow Sanders supporters whose criticisms of Clinton have strayed from the issues into personal attacks and mudslinging, I post some quotes of his regarding his statement of respect for Hillary Clinton and his desire to have this be an issue focused campaign. I then state “This is the guy I’m supporting. I don’t know who you’re backing, but it’s obviously not him.”

  • chris

    You seem to have misunderstood his statement. His numbers haven’t jumped in Iowa so dramatically because of Clinton’s e-mail fiasco. People are learning about his positions and how they differ from Clinton’s. That is why he said his supporters are not “anti-Clinton.” His supporters are far left and have found a candidate who represents their interests.

    A presidential candidate (Clinton included) probably isn’t going to apologize for their aggressive supporters who say mean things on Facebook. There are always going to be a few bad apples. No need to dramatize things.

  • Babycoop

    I was on a HRC page trying to explain that although I support bernie, I would utimately vote Clinton if she was nominated.I also explained that Bernie AND Hillary campaigns are good for progressives. I was BOMBARDED with being called a troll and d a traitor. Scary stuff out there. Saddens me…We all need to stick together to beat the RWNJ’s

    • zmann

      “Hillary campaigns are good for progressives”

      Depending upon the issue, you’ll get hair trigger responses. She has yet to run a good campaign much less as good as the one she ran in 2008 where she actually slightly won the popular primary vote. She’s certainly better than the GOP on social issues but shows no sign that she won’t concede to the GOP on other issues the way her husband did in the 1990s. What angers more Bernie supporters was that Bill Clinton does have a history of saying “I feel your pain” while selling out when nobody’s looking. We’ve seen the same with Obama to some degree and Hillary has yet to convince us that she’ll do better than Obama. Even on women’s issues, she’s not doing a good job of showing women that she really stands for them.

      http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/08/21/there-are-some-feminists-who-want-to-see-a-man-as-the-next-u-s-president/

      I used to think it was crazy but while Hillary is a hell of a lot better than Palin, Dole, Rice, etc… , she shows no serious sign that she won’t cave into the Good Ole’ Boys Club that is war and crony capitalism while Sanders is looking more promising. There’s also more to why Bernie supporters are really angry at Hillary. The comments over at Alternet and Rawstory under the Sanders’ articles are worthy of reading.

  • Warren Lauzon

    It’s 14 months til the freaking election. Who cares what any of these idiots say right now.

  • Matt

    Allen Clifton is a shill.

  • Evangelina Aguilar

    Why would any american who is not part of the 1% vote for an oligarch wanting to make this country a dynasty the clinton dyansty? #BERNIEORBURST one oligarch male or one oligarch female what is the difference? no thank you
    we must take this country back from the oligarchy and or the clinton dynasty.