Black Gun Owner Assaulted In Florida Walmart, NRA Predictably Silent

SW-MP-SHIELDThe hardcore, paranoid members of the NRA are always happy to applaud stories of guns being used to deter crime. Inside the first couple pages of the NRA’s monthly magazine American Rifleman, you will find tales of armed private citizens who used their guns to stop a crime, sometimes with lethal force. You can find the same column online in their The Armed Citizen blog with regular updates basically reminding their members that guns are needed in the hands of every God-fearing white American citizen person who can afford to buy a Smith and Wesson.


By the way, just in case you didn’t notice, The Armed Citizen is sponsored by, you guessed it, Smith and Wesson – which just happens to be the brand of pistol that I keep in my home office desk, but now this makes me feel a little bit dirty.

Moving on, here’s a story from Tampa that isn’t getting a lot of national press. Let’s also assume it’s a safe bet that the NRA will not talk about this story at all.

Hillsborough deputies arrested a man who spotted someone with a gun, followed him into a Walmart, and tackled him. The problem? The man with the gun had a concealed weapons permit, and the man who rushed him didn’t call 911 or alert store security.

According to the sheriff’s office, Michael Foster, 43, saw Clarence Daniels, 62, in the Walmart parking lot with a gun holstered under his coat.

Foster followed Daniels into the store, put him in a choke-hold and brought him to the ground, the sheriff’s office said. He then started yelling that Daniels had a gun.

A struggle ensued, with Daniels yelling that he had a permit. Security detained both men until deputies arrived.

They confirmed Daniels had a permit for the gun, and arrested Foster.

He is charged with one count of battery. (Source)

So wannabe Rambo here sees a guy old enough to be his father with a holstered weapon underneath his coat, follows him into Wallyworld, then puts a senior citizen in a chokehold and takes him to the ground. Gee, don’t you think there would be headlines on all the right-wing websites proclaiming how a thug attacked a law-abiding elderly person for legally carrying a weapon? Don’t you think that you’d be hearing pundits on Fox News or The Blaze with Wayne LaPierre proclaiming, “Those young thugs! See? This is why we need guns everywhere!” with ads from Smith and Wesson playing alongside Life Alert during commercial breaks?


What the article fails to mention, unless you look at the thumbnail photos of victim and perp, is that the victim was black and the perp was white. While I don’t believe the NRA itself is a racist organization like the KKK is, it certainly has quite a few members who are. In the past, the NRA was a very different organization and even granted a charter for an armed African-American chapter called the Black Guard in North Carolina back in the 1950s – but that was then and this is now. Imagine if the NRA showed an African-American family with guns in the next issue of American rifleman? Or how about a Mexican-American family? What would happen if they featured the Black Guard I just mentioned that protected the Freedom Riders from the KKK back in Monroe, NC in 1961? Their most vocal fan base would probably shit a proverbial brick and they’d be flooded with angry ALL CAPS email messages and Facebook posts.

The sad and obvious fact of the matter is that the NRA is far different now than just a couple of decades ago. Back when I was a kid, it was still more about hunting, target shooting, gun safety and personal defense even though the change had begun at a lobbyist meeting back in 1977. With the election of President Clinton in 1992 and the assault weapons ban in 1994, they quickly realized how much money they could make from gun fetishists and conspiracy nuts, as well as the companies that sold to these people. You likely won’t hear the NRA comment on this case, let alone condemn Michael Foster for his actions. I’d like to be proven wrong, but I highly doubt that will happen.

*Update* The Facebook page NRA News posted about this at 408 CST on 1/22/15 as a news item with a link to a guns.com story. No official condemnation from them has yet to be issued. We’ll update again if that happens.



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  • Jim Bean

    “So wannabe Rambo here sees a guy old enough to be his father with a holstered weapon underneath his coat, follows him into Wallyworld, then puts a senior citizen in a chokehold and takes him to the ground.”

    I don’t know Manny, and I say this a bit tongue in cheek, but it sounds to me like what happened to the old white guy with the visible gun is exactly the kind of irrational reaction your cohort Allen Clifton incites. He’s forever portraying the old white guy with a gun as public enemy number one.

    • William Anthony Lanagan

      Would not have happened! “good white” guys with guns don’t get tackled. That is exactly the point.

      • bill

        We always have someone to bring black and white into the story.

    • Mark Townes

      LoL You seriously were able to formulate that scenario in your head just for the sake of trying to prove a point of racial bias ? REALLY ? You do realize, since this President has took office, the number of visible armed “white” men has increased dramatically right ? How many times, say, in the last 6 years, have you turned on the news and witnessed your make believe world ? I’m a Black male, how do you think it would end, if here in Ohio, where I currently reside, a CCW state, how do YOU think it would end, if I went to the local Wallyworld.. saw an older white male carrying, choked him out and tossed him to the ground, just out of the blue ? Ha

      • Jim Bean

        I’m not sure in what way you think the ending would be different. (?)

      • Greg Morgan

        Here’s how it would have been different if a black man had assaulted a weapon-carrying white man. The man with the gun would have shot and killed the attacker, and would have been glorified by the NRA as a hero.

      • Jim Bean

        Perhaps, but that is the most appropriate ending is it not? Attacking a guy with a gun while being unarmed yourself is asking to be killed. A guy with a gun can be a potential protector or predator. I guy with out a gun is always potential prey.

        Comparatively, all the gun violence comes from the black community while none comes from the NRA. Conversely, all the wrath about gun violence that comes from the Left is aimed at the NRA and none is aimed at the black community. Up is down over there.

        No wonder nothing ever gets accomplished.

      • Greg Morgan

        Instant death penalty without due process is never the most appropriate ending.

      • Jim Bean

        It is when you believe either you or the other guy is going to be dead before the court intervenes. Then it is ALWAYS the appropriate ending. 99.999% of murder victims are already dead before the cops (courts) arrive on the scene.

        What you say sounds sweet but goes in the ‘insane’ file when you apply logic to it.

      • Jason

        The NRA is the front and advertising arm of gun manufacturers who sell weapons to anyone but bear no culpability in the deaths caused.

        Let’s not pretend they are innocent. They are profiteers of death and chaos.

      • Jim Bean

        So are GM and Ford.

      • hellyeah_rook

        Apples and oranges. GM and Ford have accountability by designing safer vehicles because their machine’s aren’t made to kill people and when they do – and it’s the machine’s fault and not the users – they loose money and risk going out of business.

        There’s no point in engineering a “safer” gun because then it wouldn’t be doing its job.

        But you can continue to throw these straw men arguments out there. Intelligent people see through the BS. What upsets me though is that people like you who spew misinformation and illogic hurt the pro-second amendment group. So either grow up and acknowledge how harmful gun culture is, or continue to act like a child and have daddy government take your precious toys away.

      • Jim Bean

        Their machines kill far more people than guns and we do not need their machines. The Amish get by just fine without them. (I sure hope you aren’t going to react to that with some reply that suggests you’ve determined just how much value a human life has in regards to what sacrifices are appropriate or not appropriate to save one. After all you DID include yourself in the intelligent group.)

        The NRA is the gun culture and they are non-violent and peaceful. The violent culture is primarily the black sector of the drug culture. They couldn’t care less about guns except as a means to advance their criminal careers. You want to tackle the harmful folks, tackle them.

      • hellyeah_rook

        You’re going to state more “facts” without sources. And you’re wrong. I’m replying with a reply that is rolling my eyes because you’re just another gun owner who make responsible gun owners look bad.

        You logic I still flawed, and guns kill people more than car accidents do. Only a privileged white American would say there is a correlation between the two.

      • Jim Bean

        2012 – 33,561 people killed in motor vehicle accidents

        Wikipedia

        2010 – 8,775 people murdered by firearms.

        FBI

      • mike

        Damn pesky facts how dare you prove that a machine who’s purpose is to transport people is far more effective at killing then a machine made for killing

      • hellyeah_rook

        Citation needed. Oh I also heard that guns saved babies from getting eaten by the Queen of France.

      • mike

        Your an adult you can find it on the internet

      • mike

        Maybe you shoul also point out you are more likely to die of medical malpractice then a firearm.

      • hellyeah_rook

        How is that a source? You posted numbers, claim it’s from the FBI, then don’t post proof.

        In the real world you’d get laughed at. Actually I am laughing at you now.

      • Jim Bean

        I can’t post links on FP. When I put this in my browser -2012 – 33,561 people killed in motor vehicle accidents Wikipedia 2010 – the Wikipedia link is the first one displayed.

        When I put this in my link – FBI Expanded homicide data table 8 – the FBI link is the first one to display.

        So now you have two choices. You can take the option to not look thus preserving your ignorance and a completely unfounded reason to keep laughing Hyena.

        Or, you can take a few minutes for the purpose of going to bed a wiser person than you were when you woke up .

      • mike

        Says the white girl who is so in touch with the black community and she can show you pictures of herself hanging out with black people from her facebook page to prove it, and give you the story of her struggles as a disinfracised Caucasian.

      • hellyeah_rook

        Hahaha you are so off the mark with your attempt to be smug it’s actually ironic.

        No says the ten year combat veteran who is pro-second amendment who is sick of racist, ignorant, red necks with tiny penises thinking they speak for every one. Well you don’t, and your statistics and logic is wrong that’s why the rest of the world laughs at your existence.

      • mike

        Thank you for being a combat vet i was stuck at dover repairing shit for the chair force 🙂 how are you gathering that i am red neck? So its ok for you to make generalizations and shove groups of people in to one large box but god forbid someone does it to you. I joined the NRA because people like Michael Bloomberg will spend hundreds of millions to hinder my right to protect myself. I don’t see to many groups that have the resources to fight against people like Bloomberg. I have been to a number NRA events and are there dumb rednecks with small penises, i didn’t check to see if they had small penises but yes there was a small amount at every event. An overwhelming amount of the people there avoided dip shit rednecks, and thought they were stupid.

      • Avatar

        Racist and proud of it, huh?

      • Jim Bean

        There you go again.

      • Avatar

        Yup I’ll always be here to haunt you until you cede yourself into general obscurity.

      • mike

        Never mind the fact that individuals like my self fund 75% but i am sure you knew that

      • bill

        True

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      Hey Jim, you let us know when Fox “news” and Rush get all incensed about this man being assaulted for legally carrying a sidearm. This is right up their alley of fear-stoking stories, although that is only if the races were reversed…..

    • FD Brian

      if he was white he probably would not have been attacked.

    • Cemetery Girl

      If the incident had involved an elderly white man being choked because of legally carrying a gun there could still be a conversation about how is the public supposed to be able to tell “good guy with a gun” and someone that is planning on doing something horrible. How do we decide? Every single person uses their own personal biases to decide who is a threat and who isn’t. What we decide says a lot about us as individuals and as a society. Where were the “good guys” when a senior citizen was tackled? Not that I condone adding fuel to the fire, but if the races had been reversed different judgements would be made?

      • GenerallyConfused

        It would have been plastered all over the national spotlight and the attacker would have been labeled a thug.

        ..even though people use those words and have no idea what they really mean.

      • hellyeah_rook

        Maybe it’s not the average citizen’s place to play hero? Maybe had the guy with the gun been a bad guy Rambo would have been shot dead?

        Only trained personal can make that call and even then it’s not an exact science.

      • Cemetery Girl

        We always hope our trained personal have been trained to better assess a situation than us. If trained they should know how to read a situation better and how to try to handle a situation without making it worse. (Pretty sure tackling someone with a concealed weapon wouldn’t fall into that.) It isn’t an exact science, but the public certainly hasn’t been prepared by watching Die Hard and Law & Order. Sadly, the people that don’t realize that being a fan of the police genre doesn’t train you are the people that believe they can evaluate and jump into a situation.

      • robert g

        Simple. Crooks don’t buy holsters for their guns.

  • Tom Kinne

    Sounds to me that the Daniels had perfect stand your ground case. Attacked for no reason by Foster. This would make Daniels the good guy with the gun.

    • hellyeah_rook

      Not everyone has such a disregard for human life like Zimmerman and his supporters. And the guy is smart enough to know that stand your ground doesn’t apply to black people… Unless they’re the victims. :/

      • Tom Kinne

        The Tampa paper did a study of STG cases since law enacted and found that most whites successfully used STG. Most blacks in same circumstances denied STG defense

      • robert g

        Which doesn’t match with a story in another paper which states that black use STG more
        http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/

      • Tom Kinne

        The Tampa Bay Times is a 10 time Pulitzer winner and has been published since 1880’s, The Daily Caller is a right wing apologist web site..and they cherry picked the statistics that The Time gathered..

  • Creeayshun Sighuntist

    Kind of like Fox News; Fox News isn’t racist, BUT it’s #1 with racists. The NRA isn’t inherently racist, but if you go to an NRA convention, you can’t swing Peterbuilt hat without hitting a racist.

    • mike

      How many NRA conventions have you been to? NRA broke the news on their Facebook page they mention he is black i have yet to see a racist comment about the black guy on any sites i have seen following the story. One of the most followed NRA correspondents is a black man. You are making a blanket statement about a group of people that you have never been around, sounds like stereotyping to me.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Unfortunately for you, I have been to an NRA convention (one was more than enough), gun shows and know far too many members of the NRA due to where I was born and raised while having also spent the past 20 years in the US Army. Believe me, I’m not making this up.

      • hellyeah_rook

        You need to educate yourself on how passively racism manifests itself today. Not saying some thing in support of the poor man and why he was assaulted (a racist stereotype) and the lack of comment from NRA and members in support is stonewalling in support of racism.

      • mike

        How many more articles does the NRA have to write how many more members have to say they support the man carrying the gun you need to educate yourself and see if the story holds water and it doesn’t. They posted thier support on Wednesday this moron that wrote this article wants to know why its not in the riflemen a monthly magazine that is probably already printed and being shipped to subscribers. Every single pro gun news feed i follow has shown support.

  • mike

    Hey ass whipe NRA was one of the first to break the story but you would actuality have to follow the NRA to know how they stated that the person who attacked the man concealed carrying was in the wrong.

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      You are missing the point “ass-whipe(sp)”. The unwritten part of the story from your beloved NRA site and the reason Faux News isn’t covering it, is the race of the two individuals and that a white man saw a black man grabbing a gun assuming he was going to do someone harm and took the law into his own hands. Now if Michael Foster had a history of tackling white people with guns as well, please go ahead and point me to those news sources as I’d love to see it.
      Although, maybe I should believe the NRA has recently become color blind and doesn’t care what race people are? Unfortunately, Cam Edwards (for one) from the NRA radio show would beg to differ as he definitely cares what race people are.

      • mike

        The NRA broke the story 2 days ago many pro gun web sites went right to thier Facebook page as soon as they had the information. I have yet to read a comment saying this black guy had it coming. All i see is an anti gun “hero”, that was stupid enough in a state where it is common that people conceal carry to attack a person for no reason. Any time something like this happens white or black it gets reported if not by the NRA usually by a similar web sites like guns save lives. I for one don’t care for fox news. I am sure if they did cover it you would be saying look how they are trying look not racist so it would make it racist. I don’t know if this guy tackles anyone with a gun or just black people. If he did it because the man was black then it should be charged with a hate crime. If you know nothing about gun culture much like the prick that wrote this article i will gladly invite you to maybe find out more about it then assuming anyone pro gun is a racist old white man. Most ranges i have been to are very diverse even *gasp Muslims. There are racists in gun culture. I know that, it is a very small portion and most people who who are outwardly racist tend to be labled an idiot and people disassociate themselves from them.

  • Greg Morgan

    To get any favorable notice from the NRA, you have to use your gun to kill your attacker. This gun-owner had the good sense and restraint not to kill the thug, and thus would not qualify to be considered a hero by the NRA.

  • DA Guest

    Weird..I have yet to hear of any protests and die-ins at Holder DOJ offices over clearing Darren Wilson.

    • That’s because you are a moron, Dennis.

    • So what? You’re stil a moron, Denny-doo-do.

      Dennis G Schlacter, D.Schlacter at comcast dot com. Telephone # 804-322-8899.
      Lives in Midlothian, VA. Works for the Dunking-Donuts-Williams brokerage.

      • DA Guest

        Zzzzz.

  • Chris

    Look at all this racist shit on here. *smh*

    What color either party was doesn’t and shouldn’t matter. If you are focused on the color of each party, you are part of the problem, and not part of the solution.

    You had man #1 attack man #2 because man #1 finds legal gun ownership to be scary and offensive.

    Man #1 has been found guilty, (on 21 April), of 1st degree misdemeanor battery and is scheduled for sentencing on the 7th of May.

    Man #1 was wrong in all aspects of this, and should spend 30 days in county for his unjustified assault on man #2. If he thought that man #2 was illegally carrying a firearm, he should have contacted law enforcement and not tried to go all Charles Mansion in “Death Wish” on him.

  • robert g