Bush Makes Ridiculous Accusation Against President Obama Over Vatican Embassy Closure

jeb-bushYou know, sometimes I think Republicans just sit in rooms playing a game called, “How can we blame _____ on Obama.”  I truly believe that if President Obama cured cancer, Republicans would say he was trying to kill the cancer treatment industry.

Jeb Bush becomes the most recent Republican to make a completely absurd accusation.  Bush accused the president of closing the U.S. embassy to the Vatican out of spite due to some Catholics opposing the Affordable Care Act.

Bush Tweeted:

Why would our President close our Embassy to the Vatican? Hopefully, it is not retribution for Catholic organizations opposing Obamacare.

Yes, Bush more or less accused President Obama of closing one of our embassies to “get revenge” on a few Catholics who don’t support his healthcare law.

Because that makes perfect sense, right?  A United States President would go to the trouble of closing down an embassy just because he had his feelings hurt.  I guess because Republicans are so small and petty with their attacks toward the president, they’re projecting that same immaturity onto Obama — feeling that he behaves in the same juvenile ways.

Oh, by the way, the embassy isn’t even closing.  They’re simply moving it to a large U.S. compound in Rome that’s expected to save around $1.4 million annually.

Despite the fact that President Obama is not actually closing the embassy (they’re simply moving it) the National Republican Senatorial Committee still ran a petition this week which claims that President Obama is going to close the embassy to the Vatican.

The NRSC’s spokesperson said, “This certainly isn’t the first time that the Obama Administration has been perceived as taking actions hostile toward religion and religious freedom.”

And they were being serious. 

Even if the Obama administration was actually closing the Vatican embassy, how is that in any way an attack on “religious freedom”?  Either way, it doesn’t matter — the embassy isn’t being closed, just moved.  

If Republicans want to be taken seriously, they need to start behaving in a manner that warrants such treatment.  They can’t artificially create these “scandals,” then expect most Americans to trust any of them.  I guess it’s why their party clearly panders to the most uneducated and easily manipulated among us.

This is just another example of Republicans blatantly making an issue up out of thin air to entice their base’s outrage toward the president.  Simply pathetic, but sadly it’s to be expected.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • $26075930

    The one thing about this president we’re all getting to know, he doesn’t tell the truth, ever….
    Jeb Bush is a Bush, he says it like it is. Don’t like it, we don’t care.
    You folks had your 15 minutes and you’ve done a LOT of damage.

    • jonjstrine42

      So the fact that Jeb’s entire statement was a lie means nothing to you, does it? And since when does anyone in the Bush family “say(s) it like it is”? If one of them told me the sky was blue, I’d still check just to make sure.

      • katherine norton malek

        I’m choking on my coffee. 1) The Embassy is NOT closing. 2) The Bush’ “tell it like it is”??? So .. I assume you found the WMDs we invaded a country & went to war over? You should really share that info with the rest of the world.

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

      • $26075930

        Yes because OBama has been SO truthful right?

        ALL of you people are about stupid as they come.

      • MadMan

        Says the man who uses Brietbart as source material for his world view.

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

        Try reading with out a biased viewpoint retard.

      • MadMan

        Read Brietbart? And you complained about bias viewpoint? Really? Really? You are gonna go there with that one?

      • prairiski

        Yes. Read the article from Breitbart. It is unbiased. And truthful. Not.

        I read the article you repeated twice. It is only full of lies and unjustified outrage.

        1. The Vatican Embassy is not being closed or shut down. It is being moved 0.1 mile closer to the Vatican, which surprisingly is also located in Italy.

        2. The seven embassy officials are not being “massively downgraded”. They are being moved. Besides, seven is not even a massive number.

        3. The Vatican is not displeased. Only conservatives are. By whatever Obama does, apparently. Besides, if the Vatican is indeed displeased, they certainly have not shown it.

        4. Evidently, conservatives like former Republican Party chairman and former United States Ambassador to the Holy See, James Nicholson, can be both outraged by moving NSA listening posts near the Vatican while being outraged the NSA is listening in to us and our allies only when it suits them.

        5. Lastly, your lack of civility calling anyone retarded while believing anything Breitbart spews as being unbiased and truthful is par for the course your ideology has recently taken.

      • $26075930

        After the move to the American embassy to Italy, scheduled for January 2015 when remodeling work is expected to be completed, the embassy to the Holy See will inhabit a small annex with a separate entrance, but it will be far less independent than it is in its current position across town. Not unlike having two popes in Vatican City with both Pope Francis and Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, having two ambassadors in one embassy compound will undoubtedly lessen the power prestige of one.

        The move is not sitting well with conservative Catholics who prefer to maintain diplomatic distance from United States policy on issues in direct defiance with Catholic teachings, including same-sex marriage and abortion. Vatican expert John Allen, who first broke the news of the downsize this week in his column in the National Catholic Reporter, quotes a former American ambassador to the Holy See calling the move “a massive downgrade.” James Nicholson, who held the post from 2001 to 2005, told Allen that the move is essentially “turning this embassy into the stepchild of the embassy to Italy.” He told Allen, “The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the Untied States, and to shoehorn it into an office annex inside another embassy is an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

        From the Daily Beast.

        The only people who are in denial are godless leftists.

    • shukurac

      Um…this article is about how Jeb Bush LIED. the past two Bush presidents LIED on a daily basis. We destroyed a country and killed a couple hundred thousand people based on BUSH LIES. You are so hateful of the current president that you read something, but don’t comprehend. NO…the BUSH clan LIES. NEVER have they EVER ‘told it like it is’! (And NO president ever ‘tells it like it is’..by the way)

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

    • wawoo

      IRI33T, you do not comphrehend so well apparently. One thing this article failed to mention is that the administration Of GW Bush ’43 acquired the property and set in motion the plans to relocate the Vatican Embassy . So you are wrong and wrong and wrong again.

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

        YOu don’t comprehend to well that the Vatican and Italy are 2 separate countries and that the US Embassy to the Vatican is being moved to Italy in a MAJOR DOWNGRADE of relations.

        Idiot.

      • wawoo

        IR33T , since all you can do is post gross falsehoods and call those who point that out names note that the Vatican has called BS on this falsehood and even the original source for this BS the National Republican Senatorial Committee has taken it down from their putrid website. Have fun being a small minded what was that word you used? Oh, idiot.

      • $26075930

        Ohh, so despite the fact that the mission is going to be downgraded in favor of Italian international politics. You’re going to insist that what I post is a falsehood.

        RIIIIiiiiiiight.

    • regressive rightwing trash

      can someone pu—leeeez change IRI33T’s diapers?

    • MadameDelphi

      This is why the right wing has followers at all, they are complete idiots.

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

        Idiots??? Seems to me that you folks are ignorant, that is far worse.

    • alikhat

      You’re either a deliberate troll trying to get a cheap rise out of people, or you’re the stupidest creature alive.

    • comeonpeople

      You can not be this ignorant can you?

      • meatwad_SSuppet

        yes they are

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

        No but apparently you are.

      • grannieannie2

        IRI33T – We get it; we get it; we get it. Repeating it over and over does not make it true. It just adds to the fact that you are deluded and desperately in need of mental health treatment. Just sign up for Obamacare and get the help you need.

      • John Carter

        Is this an example of a rather lame attempt to shout at the world by reposting the same nonsense? Is it your idea of propaganda to repeat the same thing with an insult appended? You need to find people who agree with you. That might work.

      • $26075930

        No, propaganda is your folks tact…. Sorry that the facts are so trivial to you that you have to be an ignorant lying douchebag.

    • meatwad_SSuppet

      Remove your blinders,,, or do you think they make you look pretty.

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

        Reomve your own blinders retard.

    • margieR

      Bush Jr lied like a rug over the “weapons of mass destruction. One oF my college classmates was in charge of Middle Eastern Intelligence at that time, and when Colin Powell (his direct superior) supported Bush, knowing that there were no WMDs., my classmate quit after 20 years in the foreign service.

      • $26075930

        LOL! That’s a nice story, except Bush isn’t a JR., your classmate was in charge of NOTHING, and you’re an idiot of the highest order.

        I served 23 years and 3 tours in Afghanistan and Iraq, MOS:68w01 with both the US Navy and US Army Reserve, (in your world that’s a combat medic)I treated civilians and soldiers who were over exposed to toxic chlorine gasses and other such toxic material around the area’s of the northern city of Baghdad and also Fallujah.

        Now you have a nice day imagining whatever it is you imagine.

      • $26075930

        The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

        The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

        Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

        It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

    • MadMan

      Are you sure you didn’t mistype your screen name? Shouldn’t it be IDIOOT?

      Great way to spam the page with the crappy “news” story from the ever impeccable and honest Brietbart organization. It should be flagged for spam and your IP blocked for spamming this page.

  • Danny Metcalfe

    Isnt Jeb the member of the family that all the other Bushes make fun of cuz he’s the dumb one? I mean, seriously, in a family comprised of complete morons, why would anyone listen to the low man on the IQ scale???

    • deckbose

      Poppy Bush always claimed that Jeb was the smart one, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

      • bumpyride

        they all are stupid

      • deckbose

        It’s like comparing apples and oranges. The actual IQs of apples and oranges.

      • Todd A Scheller

        Yet it is a proven fact that both apples and oranges have a higher IQ than deckbose.

      • deckbose

        Hey, my University of Phoenix-educated prison guard stalker returns. Haven’t seen you since you were kicked off TPM!

      • Todd A Scheller

        And where were you educated again? Apparently nowhere with most of your comments.

      • deckbose

        I was educated at a university, not online. And that’s how I know that nowhere is one word, not two.

      • Todd A Scheller

        What part of UNIVERSITY of Phoenix are you not getting? Good for you Master Grammarian, like you never made a typo. But you do still believe that the US was not founded on Judea-Christian beliefs, and you would still be wrong.

      • deckbose

        The Us? Is that like the Us versus the Them?

      • Todd A Scheller

        As in you have nothing else to pick on other than typos and a missed shift key?

      • deckbose

        Detailing the endless grammatical and typographical errors in your commentary is just a simple way of pointing out the lack of discipline in your thinking. Why, the errant comment about “Judea-Christian beliefs” [sic] would require a code book to decipher. So, once again, dear stalker, I choose not to further engage your adolescent parries. I suggest you get some help for that bruised ego that is apparently still smarting from the beatdown I gave you months ago. Your attempt to hijack this thread with personal vitriol is beneath contempt.

      • Todd A Scheller

        Not for someone that can read English, it would not. Yet it is you that is making the adolescent attacks and personal vitriol, Hypocritical much? You can stop projecting at anytime.

      • deckbose

        Do you have a purpose here? A comment on the article? Something relevant to add? No, of course not. You’re here because you’re a butthurt little whiner. You don’t even try to fake it. You snipe at people who make you look bad and end up looking even worse in the process. I will never understand a person who is so eager to embarrass himself.

      • Guest

        Todd likes Glenn Beck. He’s here to make as a$$ of himself. It’s what he does.

        Todd Scheller is a despicable representative of the WV Dept. of Corrections, Huttonsville Correctional Center, Warden: Marvin Plumley — (304) 335-2291.

      • dagobarbz

        “…someone that…”

        I love people who boast about their language skills while squishing said language into something unwholesome and stupid.

      • Todd A Scheller

        Where was I braging again about my language skills? Wow, don’t you look stupid now?

      • dagobarbz

        Checking…nope. You claimed you read English, then you butchered it as only someone who slept through The Red Badge of Courage can manage. Then, um, you get mad and start misspelling stuff. But you READ English, so that’s what counts. Right?

      • Todd A Scheller

        Do you understand the difference between READ and WRITE? Like you never ever make a typos Hypocrite.
        I notice you still have NOTHING to counteract the evidence that the US was founded on Judaeo-Christian beliefs.

      • dagobarbz

        “Like I never make a typos?”
        REALLY?
        Anyway, the founding fathers had a lot to say about religion and politics, and it is pretty clear where they thought Christianity’s influence belonged.

        It’s not like it’s some huge secret.

      • Todd A Scheller

        So if they had a lot to say about religion, then they must have been using it in the founding. You mean that one letter to a church saying that the President could not get involved with a state interaction with a church?
        Learn how to quote someone.

      • dagobarbz

        I don’t need to. There are whole websites dedicated to such quotes if you wish to find them, lazybones.

        They had a lot to say about religion because they clearly recognised the threat it poses to government.

      • Todd A Scheller

        What they saw as a threat was outside interests not religion. I will not do your work for you. If the quotes exists, make your case.

      • Marymennenga

        Christian Colonists branded non-christians on the forehead with red-hot irons, bore them through their tongues, confiscated their property and threw them in jail, hanged them and burned them at the stake– That is what happens when Christians have their way! Some are claiming that non-Christians are “criminals under the CONSTITUTION”. It’s the Constitution that did away with Christian persecution. That means people can freely exercise whatever religious belief they wish, Christian or not. Thanks to the Constitution, Christians can no longer persecute and kill those who do not agree with them. Just saying yes they did and it’s why we have a Constitution.
        I think Todd needs to learn more about our history.

      • dagobarbz

        You forgot “Arrested them on Sunday for refusing to attend church.”

        Yeah, what a wonderful world it was when the Christians were in charge! I mean, there you are, fishing for trout on a nice Sunday morning, and suddenly you’re locked in the stocks with people throwing stuff at you.

        For fishing on the Sabbath!

      • Marymennenga

        People standing in place of God in history has never worked out, nor will it ever.
        More people have less faith in God, than people believe we are not alone in our universe. With so many books written that have been left out of the Bible I understand why.
        Love fishing on Sunday!

      • dagobarbz

        If fishing on Sunday was wrong, you’d be punished by god into spending a fruitless day soaking worms under a tree in the sun. I still don’t see a downside: the worst day fishing, etc…

      • Guest

        That is called hypocrisy; it’s Todd’s calling card.

        Todd is a fan of Glenn Beck, progressive hunter. He writes the dumbest things imaginable and then doubles down it his false claims.

        “…someone that…” does indeed convey his low IQ, and that’s just a drop in the bucket.

        If Todd continues to harass you, tell his boss, Marvin Plumley, (304) 335-2291. Forward Progressives would do well to join the list of progressive sites that have blacklisted Todd, progressive hunter, Beckerhead.

      • Guest

        You want to know what’s funny about Todd’s “Hypocritical much?” He picked up that type of question from me whom he hates. He hates me (for exposing his hero, Glenn Beck, as a liar, hypocrite and charlatan) and imitates me thereby flattering me. Pretty ironic.

        What’s not funny about Todd is his propensity to insult people’s IQ when he clearly is not very bright. I have schooled him on hypocrisy numerous times, yet here he is chastising you for “adolescent attacks and personal vitriol.” Look at his history of comments. Most of them involved adolescent attacks and personal vitriol, so the real irony here is Todd’s blatant hypocrisy. If you look above 6 or so comments, you can see Todd accusing me of hypocrisy for “Guesting” my comments. WTF? Todd doesn’t know what hypocrisy is. No where do I criticize the Guesting of comments which would be hypocrisy.

        Todd Scheller: ethically retarded much? Most of Todd’s accusations and personal insults are projections of his weaknesses. I guess he figures that if it’s OK for Glenn Beck to project his flaws onto others, then Todd can do it.

      • dagobarbz

        Judea was a place. It’s not a place any more. Christianity used to be a religion of peace, love and charity. It’s all about being dicks to those less fortunate than you these days.

        And the United States was not “founded on Judea-Christian beliefs” ya fumblin’ Teabilly!

      • Todd A Scheller

        Yes, Judea was a Kingdom, and it’s belief system can be written either with an aeo or an eo when talking about the beliefs. So sorry for my typos. I bet you can also walk on water. Yet you also typed this Master Grammarian: “Wanna talk dumb? SOMEBODY VOTES FOR THEM!!!” Hypocrisy much?
        Christianity used to be a religion of peace, love, and charity? Did you forget the Crusades? The Inquisition? Salem Witch Trials? Really? My God, you must really be ignorant of History, but then again that is expected of someone that learned from the progressive textbooks, and loves to drink the Flavor Aid. Try reading some real history.
        Really? I guess you forgot to read our founding Documents then:

        When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

        Then why use God?

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

        Then why discuss the Creator?

        We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

        Supreme Judge and Divine Providence?
        That is just the Deceleration of Independence.

        Shall I go on?

        Half of the signers of the Deceleration of Independence graduated from orthodox Christian teaching seminaries, including Princeton, Harvard, and Yale. Some were even members of the clergy.

        SAMUEL ADAMS, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION, FATHER OF THE REVOLUTION, ATTENDED HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX.

        JOHN HANCOCK, FIRST SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION, ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, STARTED THE “MINUTEMEN,” commissioned George Washington
        commander-in-chief of the Continental Army. GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS, ATTENDED HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX.

        JOHN QUINCY ADAMS: SIXTH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, Vice-President of the American Bible
        Society; of the Massachusetts Bible Society. ATTENDED HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX.

        ROBERT TREAT PAINE (SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION): Military Chaplain. HELPED WRITE THE MASSACHUSETTS CONSTITUTION. ATTENDED
        HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX.

        RUFUS KING (SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION):
        Selected as [email protected] of the American Bible Society, Signer of the Constitution, Ratifier of the Bill of Rights, ATTENDED HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX.

        BUSHROD WASHINGTON was a (U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE), Vice-President of the American Bible Society, and Vice-President of the American Sunday School Union. ATTENDED WILLIAM AND MARY, WAS ORTHODOX.

        JOHN LOWELL (REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS): Member of the Society for the Propagating of the Gospel among the
        Indians and Others. ATTENDED HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX. Authored Article I in Massachusetts Constitution of 1779, and his insistence upon its
        adoption into the Bill of Rights, “All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties…”

        JONATHAN TRUMBULL, GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT, ATTENDED HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX, ORDAINED PASTOR.

        TIMOTHY PICKERING, REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL; SECRETARY OF STATE, His ideas formed the Northwest Ordinance, ATTENDED HARVARD, WAS ORTHODOX.

        WILLIAM SAMUEL JOHNSON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION, ATTENDED YALE, WAS ORTHODOX.

        ZEPHANIAH SWIFT, AUTHOR OF AMERICA’S FIRST LEGAL TEXT, ATTENDED YALE, WAS ORTHODOX.

        JAMES BOWDOIN (GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS): Member of the Society for Propagating the Gospel Among the Indians and Others. ATTENDED HARVARD,
        WAS ORTHODOX.

        JAMES KENT (FATHER OF AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE) ATTENDED YALE, WAS ORTHODOX.

        JOEL BARLOW (DIPLOMAT UNDER WASHINGTON AND ADAMS): Chaplain in the American Revolution for three years. ATTENDED YALE, WAS ORTHODOX, NOT BECOMING A LIBERAL UNTIL 1794.

        JOHN COTTON SMITH (GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT;
        U. S. CONGRESSMAN): President of the Litchfield County Foreign Missionary Society; first President of the Connecticut Bible Society; President of the American Bible Society; President of the American Board of Foreign Missions. ATTENDED YALE, WAS ORTHODOX, A PURITAN MINISTER.

        JOHN TREADWELL (GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT; MEMBER OF CONTINENTAL CONGRESS): Member of the Missionary Society of Connecticut. ATTENDED YALE, WAS ORTHODOX.

        Shall we also look at Washington’s First Inaugural Address?

        Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own; nor those of my fellow-citizens at large, less than either. No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. And in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their United Government, the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities, from which the event has resulted, cannot be compared with the means by which most Governments have been established, without some return of pious gratitude along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me I trust in thinking, that there are none under the influence of which, the proceedings of a new and free Government can more auspiciously commence.

        What two references to God in one paragraph?
        How about his farewell Address, want to try it?

        Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

        Wow, FIVE references to religion, or religious people, in one paragraph.
        What evidence do you have to support your lie now? Or do you wish to continue with your empty assertion as always? come on put up or shut up there genius.

      • Marymennenga

        It didn’t say God “Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own.
        Not sure if you have done any real research on the first 4 Presidents and Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. They had great faith however they were not “christians” for they didn’t believe the supernatural acts of Jesus. May want to check where your source comes from.

        “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense promote the general christiansWelfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Please note, it does not say God or name any one faith, it’s their Creator was ratified to say: and secure the Blessings of Liberty. Remember the reason why so many came here at first was for religious freedom, taxation without representation came much later.

        “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

        Understanding that the change of 1954 upset many people because, by including god in the pledge said in public schools. It was no longer in step with the Constitution our fore fathers wrote. Understanding that for the Republic to stand the test of time, the government needed to stay out of the religion of its people. In grade school we said the pledge everyday without using the “under God” this was in 1967 It was a pledge to this nation.

        Christian Colonists branded non-christians on the forehead with red-hot irons, bore them through their tongues, confiscated their property and threw them in jail, hanged them and burned them at the stake– THAT is what happens when Christians have their way! But that website is wrong in claiming that non-Christians are “criminals under the CONSTITUTION”. It’s the Constitution that did away with Christian persecution. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” That means people can freely exercise whatever religious belief they wish, Christian or not. Thanks to the Constitution, Christians could no longer persecute and kill those who do not agree with them.

        Article. VI. of the Constitution.
        The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

      • Todd A Scheller

        What other Almighty Being was Washington talking about then? You mean like Jefferson that published his own Bible on only Jesus’ teachings? The same Jefferson that wrote the wall of separation letter? Your quotes need some fixes as to punctuation.

      • Marymennenga

        Nature’s God not limited to only one faith. You made my point Jesus teachings not about the supernatural miracle’s in the Bible. A quote isn’t changed and punctuation fixes aren’t needed it a quote is unchanged.

      • Todd A Scheller

        You did not even quote the FIRST AMENDMENT properly, punctuation changes the meaning genius.
        You are trying to make Nature’s God be a connection to Deists, which only Ben Franklin was confirmed as following. Yet, Jefferson wrote the Deceleration, not Franklin.

      • Marymennenga

        A quote means you can’t change ANYTHING, even punctuation. As it was written.

        Amendment I

        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
        When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

        Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution in its original form.

        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

      • Todd A Scheller

        So then why did you quote it thusly, sans punctuation? “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Hypocritical much? You missed a comma and replaced the semicolon with a period. Which is the point of saying you MISQUOTED it. So where am I wrong again since your requote of it proves my point?

      • Marymennenga

        I made a mistake, I did not copy and paste. Todd is that really all you got to say? Nothing on the subject matter of what I said? Cool.

      • Todd A Scheller

        I did address what you have to say. You apparently missed it. You seem to have failed to address the list of founders that I gave that were CHRISTIANS, and attended seminary schools.

      • Marymennenga

        Over half of them would not be called Christians today, and you know this. Thats the only higher education schools they had back then.

        Nothing about this part, Really? promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Not one word about God! Liberty=Freedom unless the Dictionary and the Encyclopedic are wrong.

      • Todd A Scheller

        Really, which ones would not be called Christians today. Give me a list and prove your point. Not true, there were other institutions then like Dartmouth College, which existed under a charter issued by George III in 1769. So once again you are WRONG.
        There does not need to be a word about good. Liberty= Freedom to worship as you see fit, read the First Amendment again.

      • Marymennenga

        Meaning King George III Dartmouth College, Please your Joking I’m wrong yes! But your silly. Show me one person of importance at that time in history.

        All of them, because of including Article. VI. in the Constitution. They had great faith in God true. Little faith in mankind’s ability to act on God behalf.

      • Todd A Scheller

        Did it exist at the time? It was not the only one either.
        Alumni of Dartmouth:
        Daniel Webster- Argued Dartmouth v. Woodward before SCOTUS.
        John Samuel Sherburne- 1776
        Dudley Chase- 1791
        Heman Allen- 1795
        Samuel Clesson Allen- 1794
        Ebenezer Mattoon- 1776
        Samuel Taggart- 1774
        Moses Robinson- 1760
        Joel Barlow- 1778
        Daniel Adams- 1779

        No, try and pick INDIVIDUALS and prove why they would not be considered Christians. The Constitution has nothing to do with their religion and how it would be viewed today. The Article, Clause 3 of which you are referring means that no one can be given a religious test as a qualification, so that people like JFK a Catholic can serve in Congress as well as Keith Ellison, a Muslim. Nice try though, but you are misusing the Article to try and prove your point.

      • Marymennenga

        This has been fun, however it’s time for me end and get back to other things. Now if you like I’ll say you win, Christmas is coming up fast and I have a lot to get done. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New may you find joy and peace in the new year. Me

      • Todd A Scheller

        Prove that they would not be Christian today. many of them were what would be called Protestant today, a branch of Christianity.
        The College of Philadelphia, now the University of Pennsylvania, was not a seminary. Nor was University in the English Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, (now Brown University) founded as a Seminary in 1764. Oops, looks like you are wrong once again.

      • Guest

        Todd’s a fan of Glenn Beck.

        Just Google Todd Scheller, hypocrite, and you’ll find it on The Glenn Beck Review. CNN is blocking the actual URL.

      • Marymennenga

        Thank you Guest, I have a few “friends” that are also followers of the misinformation of glenn beck. It’s okay having brothers I understand the difference between Men and those who just have the equipment. No worries.

      • Guest

        Todd is a reactionary flame warrior and bonefide know-nothing. You can use my blog post to fend him off when he spouts his ignorant nonsense.

        Just Google Todd Scheller, hypocrite, and you’ll find it on The Glenn Beck Review. CNN is blocking the actual URL.

      • Todd A Scheller

        Victor Scott Tiffany is the hypocrite, notice he GUESTED his comment? If he had half a brain he would know that CNN does not allow any links in Disqus.

      • Tim Presnell

        maybe YOU need to actually read the Declaration of Independence…. just where does it say this country was founded on ANY faith? Could you in your teabagger wisdom point that out please?

      • Todd A Scheller

        Find my quotes in this thread. Could you in your bigotry read along the thread?

      • Guest

        Want to find out more about Todd?

        Just Google Todd Scheller, hypocrite, and you’ll find it on The Glenn Beck Review. CNN is blocking the actual URL.

      • Guest

        Todd’s been kicked off TPM, the Syracuse Examiner and Alternet. I see you are familiar with his sleazy and deceitful, arrogant style. I have a blog post about Todd, and you are free to reference it every time he begins his harassment of you.

        Just Google Todd Scheller, hypocrite, and you’ll find it on The Glenn Beck Review. CNN is blocking the actual URL.

      • Guest

        Victor Tiffany, Danby Rd. Ithaca, NY has been kicked off of Mediaite, Glenn Beck and half a dozen other websites for his sleazy comments and self promoting websites.

      • Eva Cutler

        They are not stupid; they take it for granted that the rest of us are!

  • katherine norton malek

    Evil sees as evil does”. They say things like this because they’re acutely aware of how large the group of groupies is who believe whatever nonsensical BS they throw out there. At the expense of their own intelligence & conscience – they throw it out there. Mud sticks to brick walls. If Pres. Obama took retribution action based on insults, disagreement or derision, most of Capitol Hill would be in wheel chairs.

    • maxiemom

      Good one– and very true.

  • morgan520

    Another shrubbette making a fool of himself!!!

  • “You know, sometimes I think Republicans just…”

    Just like some Democrats do. Like the ones who blamed everything on Bush, Like the ones who cherry pick examples and then paint everyone they disagree with as being the exactly the same.

    The biggest single problem we have in politics in the US is that people think “their side” is perfect and the “other side” is Pure Evyl, and they learn to hate the other side and treat them like crap. The rhetoric above is a great example.

    You have some excellent points above, but you destroy their effectiveness with blind hatred.

    • Avice Mendenhall Woodard

      You’re right–Bush never did anything (except pretend to read). He just played cowboy and let Cheney and Rove destroy the country.

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        Cheney and Rove destroyed the country?

        Your Chicago Jeebus deserves at least half the credit , if not more, for where the country is today.

      • margieR

        Go fact check your assertions via the Congressional budget office and the Library of Congress which has copies of all laws presented to Congress to vote on and all parties who voted and how. This info is readily available on line, for both sources.

        There is no excuse for not getting the facts except (1) You don’t like hem and prefer to lie or (2) You are too lazy to do due diligence.

      • John Carter

        Anyone who starts off referring to another as a “Chicago Jeebus” doesn’t get respect as a peer in discussion. That’s the proclamation of an adolescent thinker who embraces laziness as the essential statement of intellectual failure and emotional undiscipline.

    • alikhat

      “Blind hatred”. That’s wingnut speak for “pointing out GOP lies and corruption”. Terrible, isn’t it?

    • waynef43

      Miles. Fact is…. for every 1 thing that’s irresponsibly blamed on republicans… I can give you 20 wacko, nutjob accusations thrown at Democrats. It’s a matter of SCALE.
      And yes… the housing crisis, recession, wall street crash, Katrina, and the events leading to the massive job losses in 2008 and early 2009 were NOT Obama’s fault.

    • PoppaDavid

      Much of the rhetoric is an attempt to energize “the base” and generate donations and votes. And as you said, this IS the biggest single problem we have in politics.

      I accept that our President is not perfect, and that the previous administration was not pure evil. That said, I do contend that the guy who does the screwing is responsible for the baby, no matter who chooses to step up and be a father.

      It is like baseball, if the other side is going to pitch a “fat one”, you have to hit it. And suggesting that our President closed the Vatican embassy over ObamaCare shows either: absolute incompetence, gross ignorance or an intentional attempt to deceive. I would allow that Jeb was pushing for the last one. After eight years in the Oval Office, I still don’t have a firm decision on his brother.

    • margieR

      It was Bush’s fault. As an economist, I can tell you that trickle down doesn’t work and never will. Bush Jr, finalized the destruction of the middle class in the US, finishing something even his father tried to avoid.

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        ” As an economist, I can tell you that trickle down doesn’t work and never will. ”

        As an economist you should know “trickle down economics” is a straw man. I defy you to find a school of economic thought which calls itself by this silly name or asserts that the middle class or the poor will get more ‘scraps’ thrown to them by the rich as a result of lowering taxes for the latter group.

      • prairiski

        As an “angry white male”, you should know that “trickle-down economics” is most closely identified with the economic policies known as “Reaganomics” or laissez-faire.

        Of course, “angry white males” claim that “trickle-down economics” is a straw man and often defy those who use the term to find anyone who will lay claim to it.

        Of course, one only needs to point to David Stockman, who as Reagan’s budget director championed these cuts at first but then became skeptical of them, told journalist William Greider that the “supply-side economics” is the trickle-down idea:

        “It’s kind of hard to sell ‘trickle down,’ so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really ‘trickle down.’ Supply-side is ‘trickle-down’ theory.”

      • MadMan

        Voodoo economics if I remember.
        Only in Field of Dreams does “build it and they will come” ever work out.

    • Marymennenga

      Hate that so many (on both sides) seem to be falling into is sad, becoming hard to watch. Many don’t see that by reacting using hate filled words does not help, a statement of the facts is more than enough. Continuing to toss rocks at each other, to cause pain proves nothing and only divides us as even further. Stating facts and how we feel about them workes, playing the blame game, never makes the point for us, just proves that we also are throwing shit at the fan to see what sticks. Kindness along with the truth (the facts) may not change anyones mind however taking the high ground is a win,

      • John Carter

        I agree with you up to the point you assert that kindness works. America has always had a large number of emotionally damaged people whose rationality is thus subverted by both the harm done them and their choice to embrace it. You can be nice all day and it isn’t going to change their opinions. At best, it keeps some minimal relationship alive so that they may still view us as human beings and not seek to kill us. And that isn’t any guarantee.

      • Marymennenga

        John, Many people have been emotionally hurt, but damaged I don’t agree life is taking the good along with bad, showing kindness is about treating others the way you want to be treated. Holding back kindness to other people, I’ve learned only ends up hurts me. All change that a person makes comes from the inside out it’s a choice each person makes everyday. Life is about doing the best you can, with what you have to work with. Being kind has always worked for me.

  • barbaralee12

    i have to be honest but I am beginning to wonder if these people really have the degrees they claim to have or are they just plain racist?

    • margieR

      Racism has to be the major factor, because no other democratic president has been treated this way before, by the congressional republicans, even Jimmy Carter (who was reviled by Repubs).

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        “Racism” is the major factor.

        Donks drafted Obama because they knew if and when things started to go all pear shaped they could simply call opponents and detractors “racists.” It’s been pretty standard m.o. for them the last couple decades:make a woman or a child or minority the face of your social engineering project and obviate need for honest rational response to criticism of said project by taking the lowest road possible and making emotionally charged, highly subjective claims your opponent basically can’t defend against –

        ” You hate [ designated minority ] and that is why
        you oppose [ legislation or appointment ] .”

        How quickly folks have forgotten that Obama’s approval rating when he took office in Jan 09 was something like 88 percent. That alone pretty much destroys the ‘angry white male’ canard.

      • Just because he had a high approval rating doesn’t mean that it isn’t the “job” of the opposition to break that down anyway that they can. Especially considering that they don’t really have any other ideas besides cut, repeal, and block. Their base has one common theme that most of them agree with and know exactly the right covert wording and messaging to make their subconscious point.

      • Guest

        Based on xpat’s conspiracy theory that we are conspiring against “angry white males”…

        I suppose that makes me the white James Rhodes.

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        When you can read and infer let us know. I am not interested in your straw man.

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        Hilarious the lengths “Liberals” will go to attempting to explain away the failures of their Chicago Jeebus.

      • prairiski

        Yes. It’s those damn “donks” conspiring to bait the “rational opposition” into hating “donks” because they wanted them to oppose their “donk” legislation just to make the “rational opposition” all emotional so they’d make up racist shit and conspiracy theories about “donks” just so they could call them “racists”.

        That makes complete sense.

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        You and TheBlacktonyStark make a good pair.

        Hit the road. Rethugs don’t stand a chance against you two.

      • prairiski

        It’s true. We’re both part of a liberal progressive conspiracy to thwart a single “angry white male” from propagating “angry white male” conspiracy theories about conspiratorial liberal progressives.

        Happens all the time.

      • prairiski

        Based on xpat’s conspiracy theory that we are conspiring against “angry white males”…

        I suppose that makes me the white Lieutenant Colonel James Rhodes.

      • regressive rightwing trash

        hey,,,gerbil droppings: You should go to the southern WHITE republican states and walk around asking the “common” white fold their opinion of OBAMA — count the anti black insults

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        ” You should go to the southern WHITE republican states and walk around asking the “common” white fold their opinion of OBAMA — count the anti black insults”

        The same states that went solidly blue for The Peanut Farmer back in 76 ?

        Do you “Liberals” have anything other than brandishing impotent little guilt icons like “racism” ?

      • deckbose

        Let me see if I get your logic here. 37 years ago, a white southern candidate swept the south in a presidential election, so that proves there is no racism in the south today. Is that the gist of your post?

        What exactly do the voting results of an election 37 years ago have to do with attitudes toward a black President in the south today?

        Is obfuscation always your first line of attack?

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        “Liberals” like to tell everyone that the “racist South” turned solidly Republican after LBJ.
        Carter’s sweep of the region in ’76 refutes that assertion.
        Why do Donks like you overlook this?

      • deckbose

        But regressive rightwing trash’s comment said nothing of the sort. So, what’s the deal, you just respond to whatever comment is in your head rather than the one on the page? You have the nerve to call other people names when you can’t follow a simple conversation?

      • deckbose

        Obama’s highest approval rating was 69% in the week of January 22-29, 2009. Look it up. I don’t know where you got this 88% figure but it’s not based on reality. Those kind of inflated approval ratings are reserved for Presidents who start wars. GWB’s approval rating was 92% after 9/11 when he lied the country into war. And once the devastation of a pointless war, like in Iraq, finally hits home, those inflated ratings tend to drop.

        To 19% in George Bush’s case.

      • Todd A Scheller

        Obama’s highest was TWO days after he took office, not a good sign. GWB’s highest was only 90 (September 21, 2001), not 92. Look it up.

      • deckbose

        I did look it up. And, as usual, you did not. I would simply give you the several links corroborating the number, but they don’t allow links here. Here’s an easy one for you: try looking up ABCnews online, October 10, 2001. The headline reads: “Poll: Bush Approval Rating 92 Percent”

        So are you back to stalking again? Such undignified behavior for a jailhouse toilet attendant.

      • Guest

        He’s a prison guard, but close enough.

        Todd has stalked you, too? If enough of us call his boss and complain, the WV DOC might just do something about how poorly Todd represents the DOC. Todd Scheller is a despicable representative of the WV Dept. of Corrections, Huttonsville Correctional Center, Warden: Marvin Plumley — (304) 335-2291.

      • xpatYankeeCurmudgeon

        “To 19% in George Bush’s case.”

        Where Obama would be without the tongue bath the gatekeeper media has given him since 08.

      • dagobarbz

        Here’s a funny observation (at least to me)…tactically, we have seen what the GOP will do when saddled with a president they despise. They have tried to destroy everything this particular president has tried to accomplish; by stonewalling, lying, cheating and refusing to do their jobs.

        So now the Dems are talking about running a woman for president…sheesh. Do you people want to get things done at a time when our planet is on the verge of being obliterated by greed? OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A POINT? You know, you can make a point any time. There is no “planet B.”

      • Todd A Scheller

        Yet Harry Reid is a Democrat, and he controls what bills make it to the Senate floor.

        How many Budgets proposed by Obama have not gotten ONE vote in the Senate?
        Do you really think only the Republicans are to blame? Not only do you lack an understanding of history, you have no idea about current events.

      • purveyor1

        Todd,
        Hey did I ever tell about a class I taught away back in the 90’s? We came to call it “the Dead Philosopher’s Society” but it was officially “Applied Philosophy.”

        I recruited a full professor to sign off and then found a number of pre-law students, philosophy and history majors… you get the picture. We would read the great legal philosophers of the past and then relate their thoughts and lessons to current events. Plato, Locke, Rousseau, Cicero, Montesquieu, Machiavelli… The class was a hit and some people just attended to be a part of the discussion!

        I had the pleasure of being the moderator, the teacher who more or less asked questions to the class in a fashion similar to Plato on the steps of the Parthenon.
        Oh, and we all had to wear togas! (just kidding) (Note: This should give you some insight as to why I mix philosophy with contemporary issues when I debate. There is much wisdom hidden away in the dusty shelves of a philosophy library. Only a foole would ignore such.)

        Furthermore, what amazes me is how little people know of the men and ideas which influenced our founding fathers. Somewhere, lately Americans stopped looking at the wisdom of our forefathers, preferring instead to find fault.

        Purv

    • MadMan

      I don’t think a lot of the republican politicians are racists, some but not all. At least not “lets get out the hoods tonight and have a barbeque” type of racist but more of a let’s cross the roads because there are two black guys stand there up ahead. They are not actively and outwardly racists. Of course the whole right wing politician machine panders to the racists and does a lot of race baiting and then they act indignant when it is pointed out.

      When they use terms like “welfare queens” or “obamaphomes” it is about playing up to racists even though more white people are on government programs. When they say these things they want to republican mob to think “Black people get free stuff and do not work. BAD!”
      Not one republican politician in the last 35 years in innocent of pulling that garbage,

  • PoppaDavid

    Everyone knows that our Conservative President closed the embassy because the Pope came out publicly against Capitalism and the philosophy of greed that this country was founded upon. We cannot tolerate such an attack on our core values, so President Obama reacted by severing ties with such a liberal, nee Communist country. He has maintained strong economic and political ties with those Christian nations that share our core beliefs in the free market and personal liberty like Israel, China and Russia. LOL

    • margieR

      But the embassy is still in Vatican City at a new and larger facility.

      • JamieHaman

        It was a little ‘gentle’ sarcasm MargieR.

      • MadMan

        The Embassy is in Rome. Vatican City is not big enough to host all the embassies it has ties with.

        The Vatican Embassy moved into the same property they we have for Italy. It has a different building and all but they are at the same location, which by the way is half a mile closer to the Vatican then the old one.

    • PoppaDavid

      “LOL” was a hint.

    • Linda

      I am SO gonna steal this!! Linda in TX

  • Al Briones

    He is like all the other Republican Obama hater they fling $hit out their cages like the monkeys at the zoo.

    • dagobarbz

      Dude, we’re all monkeys. Whether we choose to hurl poo or not says a lot about us as individual monkeys.

  • RayandFannie Esparza

    Heck,I thought he was smarter then his father and his brothers but I guess dumb runs in the family more than I thought

    • dagobarbz

      Wanna talk dumb? SOMEBODY VOTES FOR THEM!!!

      • RayandFannie Esparza

        I totally agree with you on that –100%

  • Dave Brown

    It points to their own thought process’s. If anything happens it must be the other guys fault. Negative thinking, period.

  • joe sanford

    An Embassy to the Vatican is a huge waste of money. Why not have one for Disneyland?

  • Derek Pryor

    It continually amazes me how these nuts are so bulletproofed against common sense.

  • Jerry McCoy

    Wonder how much money they’ll raise over this lie. I’m starting to think they’re not really hammering Obama. They’re inventing issues that will result in more of their base giving up more of their money on a lost cause.

  • CM

    Of course they would accuse him of trying to destroy the ‘cancer treatment industry’ NOTHING comes before profit; it’s their only messiah and one true god.

    • Robbie Newall

      no, they’re all just trying get as much money as possible before “HE” shows up; and they all get their “so called GET OUTTA JAIL FREE CARD”

    • MadMan

      The president should tell everyone that air is good for you so breath deep just to watch them all hold their breaths until they turn blue.

  • James Threadgill

    So Jeb, a member of the criminal Bush Klan is planning a run at the WH. Fat chance! I’ve already secured the No More Bush Facebook property and I’m looking forward to handing him his ass.

    • Robbie Newall

      i like your atitutde

      • James Threadgill

        Hate them Bushes….

      • Robbie Newall

        their grand daddy and daddy help kill JFK!!!! PHUQ THEM NAZIS!!! lok it up

    • dagobarbz

      I’m pretty sure the clown car candidates are lined up to give jeb the pole position at the critical time.

      Kind of like how they paved Mitt Romney’s way with the crispy corpses of the bozos who went before him; the Cains, the Bachmanns, the rest of the intellectual Juggalos that made Mitt, that empty suit, look “good” to voters.

      So maybe we got Christie the homophobe, along with Rick Perry and that assclown from Michigan to blow out the GOP geezers’ voting pipes in time for the hero Jeb Bush to ride in from the orange groves and collapsing bayous to save the day for the GOP.

      Nobody understands “preemptive” these days…

  • margieR

    Apparently the American public has forgotten the story of the boy who cried wolf. They follow the repubs down their road of lies.

  • Jim Bean

    I’ve been trying to recall any policy that Obama has endorsed that has been friendly or respectful of the Catholics or the First Amendment in general, for that matter. So far, no luck.

    • MadMan

      The fact that no one at Fox has been dragged out of their homes and shot to death would be a start that he respects the First Amendment.

      • MadMan

        Oh I’m sorry was that the part of the Amendment that you forgot?
        As for separation of Church and State I think he does what he can. We should not have an embassy that is set up to strictly recognize one religion but the Vatican is a City State and as such the US does recognize it as a separate international entity.

      • Jim Bean

        Yes, there is that.

  • $26075930

    The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

    The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, (IN ITALY, not at the VATICAN), Breitbart reported.

    Again, the Vatican offices are BEING CLOSED and MOVED outside of the VATICAN to The American Embassy in ITALY.

    It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

    So, indeed, the offices at the Vatican ARE BEING CLOSED, the VATICAN is it’s own separate and sovereign nation from ITALY.
    If it’s not insulting then why are former ambassadors calling it a DOWNGRADE?
    But hey, just as long as the leftists can all hop up and down screaming Bush Lied! that’s all that matters.

    • MadMan

      THE OFFICES WERE NOT AT THE VATICAN. NO COUNTRY HAS EMBASSIES INSIDE THE VATICAN BECAUSE IT IS BASICALLY A BIG CHURCH. EVERY NATION WITH A VATICAN EMBASSY HAS THEM IN ROME! IN FACT THE US EMBASSY WAS MOVED A HALF MILE CLOSER.

      You sourced Britbart so by default you lose any right to any type of truth.

    • Taleisin

      You dickhead. Ask GW Bush. This was his idea.

  • MadMan

    I think Barbara should have swallow more often.

    • MadMan

      That being said this moron could have pointed out this was in the planning stages since his brother was in office and he was able to save $1,400,000 and how that could be used to offset cuts to US embassies in the Middle East. But that would require thought and truth from the confederacy of dunces.

  • MadMan

    I just looked at the location of the US embassy in Rome and it is close enough to the walls of The Vatican City that even Rush Limbaugh could hoof it from one place to another and probably not have to stop too pop an oxy along the way,

    • MadMan

      Yes I used the term hoof, as in bovine, to describe how Rush walks.

      Google maps shows it as 2 miles by foot and 3.5 by car. A fifteen minute walk. This is only a “scandal” for morons who have nothing better to do. Some people really need to wake up at how you are being manipulated by these dirtbags. Most people would drive further then that to pick up a cup of coffee in the morning.

      • MadMan

        If you look at the map of Rome the Embassies for Chili, Brazil and Canada are along the route from the US Embassy to the Vatican City. None are inside the Vatican. Australia, Morocco, and Angola are all further away. NONE ARE INSIDE THE WALLS OF THE VATICAN!

      • John Carter

        Might want to examine your math here. Can you walk 2 miles in 15 minutes? 3mph is “hoofing it”.

  • Moss Bliss

    What you didn’t mention is, it is being moved TO A LOCATION CLOSER TO THE VATICAN.

  • Anti Americans like Obama suck

    He had people audited that “hurt” his feelings.. so why wouldn’t he stoop to this stupidity.. it’s already been proven.. **that gets an eye roll and a head shake**

  • FD Brian

    And I thought George was the one born with a silver foot in his mouth.