California County Votes to Secede and Form New Conservative Republican State

secedeOver the past few years since President Obama was elected, the calls from some politicians and the idiots who vote for them have been growing to secede from the Union. Texas has been the one that has gotten the most attention, and they even have a number of Facebook pages calling for it — including one called “Texas Secede!” which has almost 6,000 “likes” as of the time of my writing.

It’s been a mostly silly movement that has waned and ebbed, depending on which political party has the White House. Yesterday, one Republican-dominated Northern California county decided to actually hold a vote to secede — and it passed 4-1 according to the Redding Record Searchlight reporter Sean Longoria.

The Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors voted 4-1 on Tuesday to support the county’s split from the state of California.

It’s the first in a long series of steps to form the proposed state of Jefferson, which proponents of the effort say would bring representation to rural North State counties that currently are beholden to the whims of representatives of the more heavily populated Southern California and free them from burdensome state regulations.

”We have to have government that’s local, understands our issues and has empathy” for those affected, said Mark Baird, a Scott Valley rancher who’s also president for Scott Valley Protect Our Water and vice president of the Siskiyou Water User’s Association.

Baird is leading the charge to form a new state from rural counties in Northern California and Southern Oregon, though he certainly wasn’t the only voice in support of the move.


I don’t know about you, but I am sick and tired of hearing from all sorts of anti-government types how they want to secede and form their own state or country. Last time I checked, we had that argument in a little time period between 1861 and 1865, and over 600,000 people died settling it.

Now I’m sure you’re familiar with the fact that they’ve been complaining about how they want their own state or country for quite some time now, and I think it’s time to give them exactly what they want.

I’m pretty sure we can carve out a small, few hundred square mile chunk of Northern California, SE Oregon, SW Idaho and maybe a little bit of Nevada to finally shut some people up. I know these aren’t the most ideal places, but certainly all that rugged individualism and “I built this on my own” attitude, coupled with a ton of guns and a few thousand gold shares purchased from Goldline could turn it into a Tea Party paradise in just a few years. Yeah, we keep hearing about how if we just slashed taxes to zero and removed regulations (AKA “government interference with private enterprise”), all of a sudden we would be awash in a warm yellow sea of jobs that had finally trickled down.

If you’re one of those completely unreasonable types who believes that you should live in a white, Christian, conservative nation free of taxes, interference from Washington and activist judges determined to force a gay lifestyle upon your family — here’s your chance to move to utopia and prove once and for all that you have all the answers. I think it’s about time to either put up, or shut up. Which will it be?

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  • Dale Mulkey

    let them do it and then all the republican states can form their own country

  • SMorris

    This is typical thinking of the lame-brain, lowlife, knuckle-dragging, one toothed fools known as the tea partiers! Never has their been a dumber political party in this nation’s history!! My reaction is this: let them secede ! Good riddance to bad trash!

    • gailillly

      I agree with everything you said SMorris. let them go,what the hell do we need them for, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out

    • jimyanni

      “Never been a dumber political party”: Hmmm, I don’t know. The “Know Nothing” party back in the 1800s certainly runs a close race with them. Any party whose very name indicates that they are ignorant of all things can’t be very bright. 🙂

      • Michelle Rhoades

        The Know-nothings were a political party which was created to stop Catholic immigration. It was made up of only white Protestant males. It sounds pretty close to thew Tea Party to me. I bet you can find more than a few members in Tea Party member’s family trees.

      • Miguel Caparros

        Are there even branches on that tree?

  • Bill

    Just send the all to Texas and let it go. Puerto Rico voted for
    Statehood last November, so we let Texas go, bring in PR, and we don’t
    even have to change the flag.

    • Kamaria

      It’s sad that live, work, and pay taxes in DC and I can’t get statehood. So instead of PR, let’s give DC statehood! But I still like your idea in theory 🙂

      • Rob Mccoy

        How about giving D.C. back to the states it was taken from.

      • Bigbob

        Why do you care?

      • Carson

        Actually, it wasn’t taken, it was given or paid for, depending on which state you’re talking about. One piece already reverted to it’s original state (VA).

      • Kamaria

        The seat of government moved to DC in 1800, which makes DC older that all but 16 states in the union (including your state, I’m sure). So after 213+ years they should just give us (the people, our land, our laws, our leadership, our congresswoman) back to Maryland, who doesn’t even want us. Ok. Because that totally makes sense.

      • cameramandavid

        Actually, there’s been a proposal to shrink the “District” down to just the Government buildings area, and absorb the rest back into Maryland… which might actually give Maryland enough new people to gain a Congress seat…

    • clr1390

      Don’t forget to take all the military bases and federal jobs out of Texas!!!!! i would love it!!!

  • Yolanda L C MacKenzie

    I will steer clear of them,and make certain I do not buy anything that generates from there!
    Now,lets charge them for the roads and other things my taxes paid and are paying for.
    Morons!
    I survived Bush,and they can dam well stop throwing baby tantrums,the LOSERS!!

  • Yolanda L C MacKenzie

    Treason!!!
    Jail them!!!

  • Yolanda L C MacKenzie

    Treason:
    1.
    the offense of acting to overthrow one’s government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
    2.
    a violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign or to one’s state.
    3.
    the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

    • Sam Brosenberg

      “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
      The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”

      That is how the crime of Treason is defined in Article III, Section 3, of the US Constitution. These people are not traitors, they’re just ungrateful douchebags.

    • Matthew Reece

      Treason is defined as the offense of attempting by overt acts to
      overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes
      allegiance. Government is an inherently immoral concept and process,
      therefore it is morally impossible to owe allegiance to it. Therefore, there is no such thing as treason.

      • Yolanda L C MacKenzie

        Adjective form:betrayal of a trust

      • Matthew Reece

        Again, government is an inherently immoral concept and process, therefore it is morally indefensible to trust government.

      • Marty Holden

        govm’t is an
        inherently immoral concept? And yet here you are using the internet, taking advantage of that which the gov. provides, driving the roads paid for and engineered by the gov. taking advantage of the research gov has provided. You are a hypocrite and a traitor.
        That makes you the inherently immoral concept.

  • plus15

    Now that they’ve voted their feelings and desires The United States should immediately begin to remove any federal benefits and advantages these people receive. A date and time should be set and it should be suggested they pack their things up to a certain level and prepare to board a ship, the last thing done for them by our country and as a group be given the choice of where our boat will drop them off. The can follow Edward Snowden to China or Russia or some island somewhere that’ll have them and be done with them. Hell they can try and go to Syria as chemical weapons targets. As traitors they are not entitled to our lands and goods and we should be done with them. Enough is enough, loosing some moron’s and fools will be no loss at all to America. The clock is now ticking. As congressmen have asked or said over the last few days on another issue – if we don’t act how will Bashir al Assad know that we are serious. Same with these people who have voted to separate from the United States. Thank you for any service you’ve given but you’ve chosen another way of life….Good bye and Good luck.

    • JAMEJO

      Secede not from the USA but from California. There’s always been a movement to separate north and south, and it would seem like they’re different enough that it might make sense. But there are benefits, too, to being part of the whole, benefits that most people take for granted, but will cry out for if they do indeed become separate.

    • Marty Holden

      No Governor Brown should immediately move the Guard in and eliminate any resistance.

  • Burrcanus

    I say let them secede. Then we fucking invade them. Any takers?

    • Diana Lowe

      I’m there!

    • RYAN

      im game!

    • CC

      Nooo… if we invade them, then we only have to rebuild them.

    • Goofybird

      Invade them? I will go you one better, how about nuking them?

      • Don Rodgers

        Hey! There’s more lefties down here than you realize. Stop with this ‘nuke’ crap already. We are trying to turn Texas blue.

      • Marty Holden

        then fix it, there are silos there that we will use if your electorate doesn’t

      • Granny gardner

        Marty do you have a shaved head with a swastika tattooed on your skin-head?

      • Marty Holden

        not at all. There is no legal means for secession, not now, not ever. Should Texas try, the union will be preserved.

      • Jeff Hooker

        Texas, does, in fact, have legal path to secession if they want it. They are the only state with such a path.

      • Marty Holden

        if you didn’t understand the statement, I understand and do not take offense at the obvious attempt at the strawman.

    • Marty Holden

      invade them now and suprise them.

  • Aaron

    Too bad they can’t secede. All that effort for nothing.

  • Kelly Green

    Yeah, a “…conservative nation free of taxes.” Just wait till they have to replace a bridge–with no tax dollars to do it. Then they’ll come slithering back on their traitorous bellies.

    • zee

      Morons,they will be refugees in our country,Rubio and Cruz and 60% of Miami will seek refugee status again.

    • CaptainFabulous

      Nah, some billionaire will just come in and build a new bridge, and charge them $50 to cross it each way. They’ll complain about the outrageous cost and we’ll just say “hey, you wanted a free market without interference. Here it is.”

      • Matthew Reece

        Then some other person builds another bridge or ferry or some other river crossing and charges less than $50 to cross. Then the bridge owner has to lower his tolls to compete, and the owner of the second crossing lowers his tolls to beat the bridge owner, and so on.

      • CaptainFabulous

        Until they collude to keep the cost of tolls high so they can both makes insane amounts of money.

      • Matthew Reece

        Then a third person can compete with them. Or maybe someone invents a flying car and puts all bridge owners out of business. There is no way to know how free people will solve a problem, and there is no reason to expect that it will look like the ways of life under statism.

      • CaptainFabulous

        It’s actually very easy to know, or have you not been paying attention the past 30 years? The rich will subject the non-rich to further their own greed and wealth. Make up any scenario you choose, even that of a flying car, but greed will always be the driving force, and that greed invariably leads to the subjection of the “little people”. When you have the people by the balls and give them no options you have cemented your monopoly and fortune. If you have any doubt simply look at the state of our Internet and cable TV systems, rail lines, power companies, waste disposal, and water systems. Don’t like your provider because their service sucks and they price gouge you and rape you with fees every month. Tough shit, they’re the only game in town. If you can’t beat the competition, buy them.

      • Matthew Reece

        You missed my point. There is no reason to expect that a free society will look like a statist society. In a free society, a transaction cannot occur unless both parties agree to the exchange. No one can buy that which another person is unwilling to sell, so a monopoly cannot form if the competitors refuse. Initiating force gets one economically excommunicated from a free society until restitution is made, so that is not a viable option to form a monopoly. Even if a monopoly did form somehow, no state regulations means less barriers to entry for new startups, so there can arise new competition if need be.

        Finally, there is no such thing as deregulation. Regulation will arise peacefully in the free market or be imposed forcefully by a state, but it will never be absent.

      • CaptainFabulous

        Oh, now you’re just being silly. Sorry, but it’s not the 1700s anymore.

      • Matthew Reece

        Argumentum ad lapidem admits defeat and ignorance.

      • CaptainFabulous

        Argumentum strawmandiem admits defeat and ignorance. We live in the real world, not some fictional utopia where greed and power are no longer driving human traits; where those with money have near-absolute control, can and will easily crush potential usurpers, and shape a society to fit their own goals. “By the people for the people” is a quaint 18th century notion that hasn’t existed in America in a very long time. Creating a new state or country isn’t going to magically turn back the clock and create a “free society”. It’ll just be a massive feeding frenzy as all the millionaires and billionaires jockey and vie for power, with the little people being just has helpless (if not even more helpless) than they are now, as they would have no government oversight protecting them from the predatory 1%.

        To expect any other kind of outcome is extremely naive.

      • Matthew Reece

        I am not talking about a new state or country. I am talking about free market anarchism.

      • CaptainFabulous

        But that’s not what the rest of us are talking about, hence the strawman reference. Even if you want to discuss free market anarchism, I think there is enough evidentiary history to show that a true free market doesn’t work on anything other than the scale of perhaps a small isolated village. Those who have power and money will always seek to take advantage of those that don’t. Without relative income equality it’s impossible to have a truly free market. Greed will always overshadow all else.

        I have many times pondered what the world would be like if we eliminated all forms of currency. While I think humankind would still thrive, it would be a world completely different from what we know now, and would require a completely different way of thinking for most people. A lot less of “me me me” and a lot more of “us us us”.

      • Marty Holden

        Oh please, some of us can speak latin, you ideas were never inteded by the founders, they warned against people like you. Your biggest problem is you can’t make in a fairt market, so espouse another. Well guess what, should it ever become that way, you’d be relegated to the dregs like the rest.

      • Matthew Reece

        The Founding Fathers were slaveholding statists for the most part. They were fair for their day, but by no means would they be among those calling for true freedom today, with the possible exception of Thomas Paine.

      • Marty Holden

        A free market was never intended, a fair market was.

      • Matthew Reece

        A unfree market cannot be fair.

      • Marty Holden

        He’s not been paying attention since the founding of this nation. In fact, this is the kind of they warned us about.

      • Marty Holden

        sorry that was tried with the robber barrons and Railroad magnates, you’re full of it.

      • Matthew Reece

        That was not a free market. That was crony capitalism, aka corporatism, near its worst. The “robber baron” stereotype was also not true of all of the captains of industry at the time. For further reading, I recommend The Myth of the Robber Barons: A New Look at the Rise of Big Business in America by Burton W. Folsom.

      • Marty Holden

        BULLSHIT

  • Al Cleverdon

    They should do well on their own. They can’t even spell “secede” properly.

    • Heather

      That pic is actually quite old, and from a demonstration in Texas.

  • Matthew Reece

    The right to secede is part and parcel of the logical right of freedom of association. No government should be forced upon anyone who does not consent to be governed by it.

    • Sam Brosenberg

      That’s fine, but they have to go to a place where they are not using services and utilities provided by the government, or living on land owned by the government. If people don’t want to live under the government, they are free to go elsewhere, but they are not free to just say “This no longer applies to me, because I don’t like it.”

      Also, according to the Constitution, it’s actually not, but that’s a different conversation.

      • Matthew Reece

        A government cannot legitimately own property because the right to own property is a consequence of the right to own one’s own body, and thus the fruits of one’s labors. Government has no body; it is a concept and a process, not an entity that exists in and of itself. (Individual components, such as each person, each building, each gun, etc., exist, but the government as a whole does not.) Sure, agents of the state can point guns at people who disagree with the claim of state-owned property and act upon that disagreement, but argumentum ad baculum is an admission of defeat and stupidity in rational discourse. (Those who have rational arguments do not need to threaten people because persuasion is logically superior to force.)

        Where are people who do not wish to be governed free to go? All habitable land large enough to support a functional stateless society is controlled by agents of governments. To say “go somewhere else” or “love it or leave it” under current world circumstances would be like saying that if a woman wishes to divorce an abusive husband, then she must immediately marry another abusive husband rather than be allowed to be single.

        The Constitution is a contract signed by 40 men, all of whom are long dead. They had no legitimacy to impose that contract on anyone who did not consent to the terms of that contract, or to bind all future generations under its yoke. Thus the Constitution is an invalid document, and has been since 1836 (when James Madison, the last surviving signatory, died). Of course no court will accept this argument, but such a decision is philosophically invalid due to conflict of interest (a judge would not wish to declare his or her own illegitimacy by invalidating the Constitution).

      • Andrew C Livingston

        Again, good luck with asserting your “right”.

      • ibtran

        All I have to say to these people is: Don’t go away mad, just go away, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    • Andrew C Livingston

      Good luck with that.

  • Michael Irvin

    No taxes, eh. Our country tried that in its infancy. Then the rich started building roads and bridges and charging high tolls to use them. That’s one of the reasons the Constitution controls interstate commerce. Let them secede, stop taxes, and watch them cry over being raped every time they want to go somewhere on a road. Just imagine the cost of a ballgame. The rich will thrive off the backs of everyone else.

    • Pipercat

      Nothing like keeping a bucket of loose change filled, every where you go!

    • Marty Holden

      NO I will not allow them to betray this nation, now or ever.

  • CplCupcake

    Actually, that part of California and Oregon had petitioned the federal government to become it’s own state in the past. A vote in Congress was supposed to occur either the day Pearl Harbor was attacked or the day after. It’s really no surprise that they still want to.

  • smaglott

    They of course would have to work out a way of paying back the American and California taxpayers for all the roads, bridges, telephone/internet/cable infrastructure, public buildings, schools, post offices, airports, shipping ports and other services they have forgotten about, that were paid for by taxpayers. THEN, we’ll let you secede.

    • Narfadan

      Exactly! They complain about being slaves to the whims of southern California but what part of their share of tax revenue comes from the south? Let them keep every penny of *their* tax burden and get *nothing* from the rest of the state and see how they fare with education and infrastructure.

  • Joanne Riker

    First they should learn to spell.

  • Amber

    I think you are confusing seccessionists with people who want to form new states, not secceed from the Union. There are gulfs in lots of states, usally the majority overwhelms the minority and you never hear of it unless you live there. Rural Northern CA is different then the Southern half, Most Democratic Bay Area- Nor Cal residents think the Republican South (LA basin and conservative Central Valley) are from another reality. The same could be said for states like Washington a liberal majority along the west coast the “Wet Side” determine the policies and leaders for the consevative farming communities to the East. It is hard to be governed by people whose ideaology is different then yours, I hated Bush and have been watching a Republican base hate upon Obama. Why not in a sate as large as CA could it not be cut in half or thirds to address the very different needs and ideas of a different local poulation yet stay within the USA? In CA when the state is doing good they all do good and when the deficit is low they all do bad, but they also must see a state that is beholden to the problems and pressures of high population areas Like the LA Basin and the Bay Area and feel their needs as a quiet farming area are never addressed, and they are always left empty.

    • shawn_von_socialist

      every red-district in california takes double what it pays in taxes

      Same goes for washington state

      they love their entitlements but call everyone elses theft

    • Corinne Rogan

      It’s CA county in TX.

      • Corinne Rogan

        Whoops, I’m wrong.

    • CC

      Massachusetts has the same problem… East and West. How small does a state need to be so everyone agrees with its politics? I think it’s pathetic we can’t compromise in our government.

  • Pmyou

    Where is that ” DOME “, we sure can use one now. Probably won’t work too much hot air.

  • Heather

    You all don’t read for comprehension, do you? Or did you even read the article at all? They want to form a new state that comprises portions of Northern California and Southern Oregon.

    The picture is from a demonstration years ago in Texas. Maybe Forward Progressives could use the right picture to go with their story.

    • Andrew C Livingston

      I’m pretty sure the choice of the photo was a conscious choice, to highlight the stupidity. So, in this case, this is the right picture for the story.

  • Alecta

    I think a (small) area should absolutely be allowed to secede. The US and State governments should go in, remove all government property, demolish all government built buildings, roads and infrastructure (water, sewer, power, communications, supply chains, gasoline, health care, food production, military, emergency response). Everything that isn’t the personal property of the seceders needs to be removed. Then they need to set up a very tight border (hey – the new state could be hostile) and require visas to cross.
    The new nation could then build roads, water and sewage handling, power supply, etc to suit itself.
    There would never be another call for secession once people realize what it actually takes to build the world we live in.

    • aas

      i love it but they arent seceding from the united states just from California

      • Corinne Rogan

        It’s California County in Texas. Whoops, I’m wrong.

  • EatMe

    Clearly they should be allowed to secede and form a new state, with the caveat that a fee of 50 million will be levied when they cry to be allowed back in. What will they do when they have to pay for everything themselves without economies of scale? We should let them go; it will shut down the movement forever.

  • Edward Baker

    They ,wont do it because they would no longer get Federal money for Pork projects or Social security or the right for military protection …..So as you say Put up or Shut the( F) up ….

  • LAUGHING OUT LOUD

    Any jerk that wants to live by the slogan “LOW TAXES AND SMALL GOVERNMENT” should board a ship for the country that pioneered this “lifestyle!” The country’s name? Somilia! Good luck to all that move there, and watch out for pirates!

  • SyntheticPhylum

    You know, people, that this movement has little to do with the “regular” movement to secede. It’s also not necessarily an anti-government screed. The whole “State of Jefferson” thing is OLD… And it mostly has to do with problems the local people there have with the fact that they feel that Southern California (predominately the LA Basin) keeps, as they put it, “stealing our water.” Which DOES have at least a grain of truth to it, since a not-insignificant portion of So Cal IS reclaimed desert, and they do not have an adequate source of fresh water, especially for the size of their population base. They aren’t talking about seceding from the COUNTRY, just forming their own state.

    And NO, I’m NOT saying this in support of them; while I AM from the northern part of California, I come from the COAST; I’m not one of those nutjobs from the interior! I just want people to get their story straight, especially since a lot of the “progressives” in the comments sound a whole LOT like some of the TeaBaggers who comment on this site and call us all idiots!

    • Corinne Rogan

      It’s California County in TX.

      • Corinne Rogan

        Whoops, Im wrong.

    • stephen james

      thanks for the reasoned response and the spelling out of nuanced detail, it is so easy to jump on a stereotype. You are correct, one of the complaints I have about “teabagger” types (which is in itself an attempt to corral a whole set of people into one stereotype) is their tendency to think in black and white terms, moral absolutes. We progressives are supposed to know that not all elements of one category are the same, that idiology is relative and across a broad spectrum etc etc

      • stephen james

        oh, and we have an OLD movement to secede here in AZ too, that I only learned about when I moved here five years ago, but it is a more liberal, progressive movement of some blue southern counties to secede from the red state of Phoenix to the north! And I believe there was at one time a movement to secede in Vermont, under George Bush.

    • Cemetery Girl

      Thank you! First of all, you’re someone that paid attention to what the article said! Second, thank you for giving a condensed explanation of the conflict. I have never been to California, but I do understand that it is a large state with a few different regions that are vastly different. It is interesting to hear more. And it is nice to not hear a bunch of cries of stupidity. (Seriously, invade or nuke an area?) But I guess it’s just my crazy, progressive, liberal ways showing…

  • Sean

    the more conservative republicans that secede the less conservative republican representation in government. let em go!

  • john

    Who writes this crap? You exaggerate things in your article, showing your bias, showing this website is crap for news.

  • Diana Lowe

    They should definitely do it. It will backfire and finally show these idiots that it won’t work and maybe, just maybe, they’ll finally shut up about it.

  • llcisyouandme

    When you cannot fundamentally grasp even the idea of negotiated interests in a gray-shaded world, of promotion of the general welfare, let alone the Constitution and rule of law on secession, which is well-established (You can’t; it’s sedition,) then why shouldn’t anyone believe that such arrogant self-interested parochialism is anything but inevitable?

  • Matthew Reece

    “The question of treason is distinct from that of slavery; and is the same that it would have been, if free States, instead of slave States, had seceded. On the part of the North, the war was carried on, not to liberate slaves, but by a government that had always perverted and violated the Constitution, to keep the slaves in bondage; and was still willing to do so, if the slaveholders could be thereby induced to stay in the Union. The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals. No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle — but only in degree — between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man’s ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure. Previous to the war, there were some grounds for saying that — in theory, at least, if not in practice — our government was a free one; that it rested on consent. But nothing of that kind can be said now, if the principle on which the war was carried on by the North, is irrevocably established. If that principle be not the principle of the Constitution, the fact should be known. If it be the principle of the Constitution, the Constitution itself should be at once overthrown.”
    ~Lysander Spooner, No Treason No. 1 (1867)

  • RYAN

    this is pretty sad, never thought this would happen in cali. thought the people were better then that! we should have one state of retards thats not even part of the usa. make sure they can never become USA citizens again, denouncing their own…. so pathetic

  • bigremo

    Send them to Texas and then let’s give Texas back to Mexico! It would be great to see what the bigots will do once they are officially turned into Mexicans. And imagine the savings to the US once we get don’t have to carry Texas anymore.

  • David Bell

    I was born and raised in Northern California and think of myself as a rather liberal, this has nothing to do with Obama.. This has been going on for a long time, almost 50 years, and has to do with NorCal getting shafted by the regulations imposed by the voting block of SoCal. The biggest argument is water rights. SoCal has voted themselves a lot of the water that NorCal needs for farming, and gives nothing back to the state for this theft. There are other issues surrounding this, and yes, some of it has to do with Conservative vs Liberal, but those get blown out of proportion by both supporters and detractors.

  • Ralph Hickok

    This seems like a big overreaction to a local problem. I live in Southeastern Massachusetts, which has long been ignored by state legislatures and governors, no matter which party is in power. To cite one major example, state highways down her have been totally neglected for years because all of the hghway money was poured into the so-called Big Dig. If someone proposed that this area secede from Massachusetts, I’d support it wholeheartedly, simply as a way of getting some attention.

    BTW, I’m about as progressive as they come.

  • Debi Mitchell

    I think if they want to secede, let them, but not as a state. Let them secede as a country. No government funding, no state funding and no support from the USA at all.

  • 9beentheredonethat9

    I know plenty of nuts from this county. Limbaugh directs them and God blesses them. The lies they fall for an repeat is just astonishing.

  • Christine Peckelis

    Before they go too far they should talk to those Long Islanders who wanted to secede from NY. (Although we are probably too liberal for them to heed any advice we may offer.). Let’s just say STICKER SHOCK!

  • Michael Offord

    I don’t think people really understand what it means to secede. They think they are taking America with them in some way. They are in fact betraying what it is to be American, to be diverse and different and be free to think in a variety of ways. What they really mean is, they want to create an independent world in which the only people allowed in are those who think like them. They want to create a non-democratic state to enforce their idea of ‘our way or no way’ upon those within those new borders. They are a close-minded, ignorant people who believe theirs is the only valid perspective. In other words, they are jackasses.

  • Amy C Camacho

    I say let them and cut ALL government sponsored services, like hospitals, police, military ect… then we’ll see how long they last. Oh yeah also in order to secede all of the people must agree to never try and rejoin the u.s and we’ll built a border. Since they hate immigrants so much, I’m sure they won’t try and cross illegally, right??

  • Yolanda L C MacKenzie

    Thesaurus Legend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
    Adj. 1. treasonous – having the character of, or characteristic of, a traitor; “the faithless Benedict Arnold”; “a lying traitorous insurrectionist”
    faithless, traitorous, treasonable, unfaithful
    disloyal – deserting your allegiance or duty to leader or cause or principle; “disloyal aides revealed his indiscretions to the papers”
    Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.

  • Yolanda L C MacKenzie

    DISLOYAL CHARACTERS!
    Obviously not used to argue a point of law under the Constitution or its Amendments!!!

  • BigRedEO

    Doesn’t matter how they vote – the Constitution doesn’t allow new states to be formed from existing states. Their vote is nothing but symbolic. And 4 whole votes doesn’t make much of an impression.

    And other people here have already said it very well – I’ve spent a lot of time in that part of the country – there’s no way they could sustain the taxes necessary to maintain their infrastructure.

    • Charles Vincent

      Actually you’re wrong. The constitution does allow for this process to happen.
      “West Virginia is one of two American states formed during the American Civil War (1861–1865), along with Nevada, and is the only state to form by seceding from a Confederate state. It was originally part of the British Virginia Colony (1607–1776) and the western part of the state of Virginia (1776–1863), whose population became sharply divided over the issue of secession from the Union and in the separation from Virginia, formalized by admittance to the Union as a new state in 1863. West Virginia was one of the Civil War Border states.”

  • Katie B

    We need stronger national standards.

    • The nation would be a better place with more Lesbians in it?? A National Stanard like Common-Core? Or like Carbon-Credits.

      • Katie B

        Common Core is a good start (Minnesota follows the Common Core English requirement, but opted out of Common Core Science because its science requirements are higher than the Common Core science requirements). I’m in favor of better critical thinking skills requirements, too.

      • Common-CORE makes drones. It teaches kids that man is bad, Americans are bad, America is bad. It instills that turning in your parents, your neighbors, your friends for violating the Common-Cause is good.
        Who sets the curriculum again? An unelected Burocratic?

      • Katie B

        How unsurprising. A tea partier who doesn’t have the first clue about education.

      • How unsurprising. A Subaru-driving violently Radical Progressive Lesbian who doesn’t have the first clue about early American Political History.

      • Katie B

        You really think you’re going to intimidate someone by pronouncing “progressive” like it’s a curse word? I probably had a better grasp of history in the 9th grade than you have now. And by the way, your appropriation of the name of a character who even in-universe is recognized as an unstable paranoid sociopath who is as dangerous to his friends as to his enemies might not be a great idea if you want people to take you seriously at all.

  • RottenKid

    when the going gets tough the tea party gets going… let them leave, then dismantle every highway going into the county, cut off the power grid going into the county, cut off the water supply also going into the county, if there is public transportation going into the county cut that off, if there are any municipalities being paid for by the state of California cut that funding too, educational funding by California will be eliminated. Remove every last penny that keeps this county afloat from the state of California and see how they like truly like being on their own. See how they survive with a truly small government when they have to pay for everything from scratch….

  • Vickie

    If they feel they want to “secdee!” tell them good luckdee.

  • Cemetery Girl

    Does anyone read the article? They are not stating leave statehood and break off into their own country, it is a desire to break off and form a new state. That isn’t anything new. Just because it hasn’t happened in a long time doesn’t make it a new concept. Several states were formed through this concept. The most well known is West Virginia breaking from Virginia, but states like Ohio and Kentucky formed from territory of other states. The feeling that you are being underserved by your state government because the power of a higher populated area is ruling the state isn’t a new issue. We have become so used to the states, and even counties, being a set way that we don’t see the boundaries as changeable.

  • Al Mahany

    There already is a country that has what these wingnuts want. It is called Somalia. They should all move there.

  • shawn

    Yeah, we keep hearing about how if we just slashed taxes to zero and removed regulations (AKA “government interference with private enterprise”), all of a sudden we would be awash in a warm yellow sea of jobs that had finally trickled down.

    More like awash in a sea of yellow air and water without regulations in place.

    • SyntheticPhylum

      And this has NOTHING to do with the “State of Jefferson” movement. That movement primarily has to do with So Cal taking VAST amounts of water from Nor Cal, and giving NOTHING in return. Many people in the Nor Cal interior, who need that water for farming/general survival, are angry about that, yet can do nothing, because of how small their voting bloc/congressional district(s) is/are in comparison. I’m not defending them, especially since I don’t know if the Teabaggers have hijacked this otherwise apolitical issue for their own purposes. Nobody in this region wants to secede from the country; they just want to be their own state, since as far as they can see, it’s the ONLY way to save their water supply from the “greedy water thieves” of Southern California, an idea which has a grain of truth to it. So Cal DOES take vast amounts of water out of Nor Cal; water that Nor Cal needs, if it isn’t going to eventually end up looking a LOT like So Cal.

      At any rate, this issue has NOTHING to do with “slashing taxes down to zero,” or removing regulations.

      • S.Mtz

        The problem with your argument is that it is not “their water”. It is the water of the State of California, which So Cal is part of. Therefore, So Cal residents don’t have to “give” anything to Nor Cal residents for that water. Seeing as though So Cal residents pay an overwhelming majority of the money that ends up in the coffers of the State, I’d say they pay enough for that water, as well as for the education and infrastructure of these Nor Cal residents whose contributions to State taxes are miniscule in comparison.

  • Animal Welfare Advocate

    Yreka is in Siskiyou County. Jodi Arias is from Yreka. What else needs to be said? Must be something in the water there.

  • Emily Edwards

    Not those areas–they’re gorgeous. Send ’em all to the South, which is too hot to be habitable. Why not treat them like we treat our indigenous sovereign nations and give ’em the crappy land? Ohh–Arizona!! Can we??

  • Gabriel Gentile

    Well… Bye.

  • katonwingo

    So, in three years after President Obama’s term is over these ignorant people are going to want to “rejoin the Union?!” Give me a bloody break. hahahah. Bye, bye Siskyiou!

  • Don MacLeod

    First they have to pay back all the Federal Tax dollars they have taken over the last 50years (or more). Then they can go ahead.

  • Vicki Trusselli

    i want all the people right wings to secede if that is what they want to create their own white wash right wing state so be it. i am tired of hearing about this. if it is cali, colo, texas or whatever let them secure their own statehood because these non patriots make want to puke. and i do not care anymore about them

  • Jay

    We should split NoCal and SoCal into two different states. Down here in SoCal, everything is so great. The only thing holding us back are the idiots up in NoCal that are predominantly Conservative.

  • SyntheticPhylum

    Most of the time, Manny, I agree with you. Unfortunately, in this instance, you’ve got it wrong. The State of Jefferson movement LONG predates the Tea Party. They don’t want to secede from America. They want to be the 51st State. The regulations they want to change have to do with Southern California taking VAST amounts of their water supply, and giving nothing in return. At least, that’s the origins of this movement. I’ll admit that as far as I know, the Tea Party could have hijacked the movement, which was actually rather liberal/progressive in its origins, and had a LOT to do with environmental conservation!

    • dvinn

      Actually it has been a fight between ranchers and environmentalists. The environmentalists are trying to protect the salmon and steelhead runs in the Klamath River. This includes removing some decaying dams. The ranchers want the water for their land. The people wanting to secede would be on the rancher’s side.

      This has been going on for over a decade. The federal government (Department of the Interior) has agreed with the environmental impact study and has called for the removal of the dams.

  • Fine. Let ’em. But, on second thought, we’d just end up with another ignorant, racist, bigoted, Bible-thumping, poverty-stricken red state on the west coast.

    • Charles Vincent

      Pot meet kettle.

  • Charles Vincent

    Dear Manny,
    “I don’t know about you, but I am sick and tired of hearing from all sorts of anti-government types how they want to secede and form their own state or country.”
    Two things on this point.
    1) They aren’t anti government they are anti liberal/progressive.
    2) People in counties and states wanting to secede or exercise their right to self governance( in the case of counties wanting to form their own state and join the union) are tired of intolerance and bigotry of liberals, democrats, progressives and anyone else that wants to use government to force their particular ideology, morals or ethics on people in rural areas.

    As for the rest of this piece it’s nothing more than you being a mouthpiece for an ideology and some heavy disparagement of people who don’t share your views. I wish I could say that your lack of tolerance was surprising but sadly it isn’t.

  • Randy Zack

    Sorry, I think you missed the point. The county is not asking to secede from the Union, but just to create a new state. And while I don’t support this particular effort, it is true that Northern CA and Southern CA are very different, culturally as well as politically. Breaking California into two states is not as far fetched as your essay suggests.

    In my opinion, it would be a disaster for a lot of reasons. But this is an effort that is much older than the hatred for President Obama.

  • Sjon

    There is NO California County in Texas. It’s in Northern California

  • suburbancuurmudgeon

    Better yet, they become a separate country and are immediately relieved of any Federal tax revenue they might have gotten for being part of California.

  • Marty Holden

    screw them, send in the Guard Governor. Let them no they have no legal right or ability to secede

  • Marc_Hutton

    One word; Treason. Under 18 USC § 2384 – Seditious conspiracyIf two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

    How about we have the US goverment start enforcing the laws on the books and put these idiots in jail for a decade or so. It will stop this nonsense once and for all.

  • MusicGamer

    You wanna know what got me? I was so baffled at how the morons in the picture managed to misspell “secede” so obviously, that I momentarily forgot how monumentally stupid this idea was in the first place. I don’t understand what benefit they get from this.

  • Teresa Mills

    Please don’t let them secede. I have a home mortgage that’s upside down and so I would be a homeless refugee!

  • Yolanda L C MacKenzie

    I pay for actual water by usage,some towns that have grown into cities were once agricultural,and still have unmeasured free flowing amounts of water.Huge lawns,gardens,and can shower as many times as they choose,as long as they like.We pay for our usage by the gallon use.No,water allotment is not fair in California,our water gets shipped elsewhere.We live in a society,I pay for roads and bridges whether I ever use them or not.I pay for other’s bridges,yet,when our bay bridge needed repairs and upgrading we were forced to pay it ourselves.No,things are not always fair,yet,we live in a democratic society with lopsided decisions.We don’t all get what we want or get what is fair.

  • Granny gardner

    LOL! The ‘conservative’ part of it is a ruse. I know people in that county. You can’t be gay & racist at the same time. It’s an oxymoron. Think about it. 😉

  • Thom Paine

    You cultural marxist NKVK wanna be hacks are scum. Really when the excrement hits the fan ? You should really tuck your heads between your legs and just kiss your red diapered narcissistic urban asses goodbye. Dont give you a chance in a million . If they split to form a new state? They will take the red republican PRODUCING COUNTIES WITH THEM! You rubes in LA and the Bay area will end up like the palestinians behind walls if we are lucky. Enjoy starvation no water and a massive loss of tax revenues /representation too. You have earned it well ,nobody deserves it more. 🙂 Yes very funny that you “progressives ” cant even hold down California with a wingnut on every corner. Or NY CT Ill etc etc etc. Nope outside of your urban police state hellholes you are offsides and $hit outta luck! PS Most Military and Law Enforcement despise you if you dont allready know it.. So dont call us. Good luck you will need it. 🙂