CBO Director Destroys Republican Lie About Obamacare Eliminating 2.5 Million Jobs

elmendorfI’m sure many of you have heard by now about a report the Congressional Budget Office released saying that the Affordable Care Act (aka “Obamacare) could possibly result in the reduction of the American workforce by almost 2.5 million people.

The key part of this finding being “workforce” – not jobs.

Their basic belief is that some Americans will either drop out of the workforce altogether, or shift from full-time to part-time work, because they’ll no longer need employer-provided health care benefits to get health insurance.

For many jobs, employees were only offered benefits if they were full-time, or worked a certain number of hours.  I worked with several people who didn’t need to work (their spouse made enough money) but they did so for the sake of benefits.

Well, thanks to “Obamacare,” that’s no longer the case.  That being said, the CBO estimates because Americans no longer need employment to get health insurance, some of those workers who don’t need jobs will no longer remained employed.

There’s a downside to this as well.  They estimate some people will take less hours, earning less money, so that their subsidies they receive for their health insurance will be larger.

All that being said, the CBO in no way said that “Obamacare will cost the U.S. economy 2.5 million jobs.”  Which is the headline many Republicans, and members of the conservative media, have been using since this report came out.

I guess the best person to ask would be CBO director Doug Elmendorf.  Which is exactly what happened.  Mr. Elmendorf was asked about the CBO report and if it said “Obamacare” would cost 2.5 million jobs.  His answer?  “No, we would not describe our estimates in that way.”

Elmendorf also wrote:

“Because the longer-term reduction in work is expected to come almost entirely from a decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply in response to the changes in their incentives, we do not think it is accurate to say that the reduction stems from people ‘losing’ their jobs.”

Except that’s exactly what many Republicans have been saying since this report came out.

But since when have Republicans allowed facts or reality to impact their propaganda?  Like I’ve said plenty of times before, Republicans don’t really care about being factually accurate.  The main goal of most conservatives is to “muddy the water” so much that the actual truth about any particular issue they oppose is so cloudy, many Americans don’t know what to believe.

This CBO report is just another great example where Republicans choose to create their own reality based off their gross distortion of the facts presented to them.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Phil the observer

    You know, Life is beginning to resemble a GRIM fairy Tale….How long can these folks go on with their B.S.??

    • Bine646

      idk- independent agency issues a report saying Obamacare will change the workplace as we know it, could cause 2.5 million people to work less and they are still trying to spin it as Republican rhetoric

      • Angela Walker

        You seem to be eager to twist the facts, having swallowed (I assume eagerly swallowed) the GOP lies. Read the article again and you might find the CBO report does not say 2.5 million will work less. So you’re either a GOP shill or you’ve gotten so used to the Fox News/GOP lies that lying doesn’t matter to you when its in service of an idea you’d like to sell. Right?

      • Bine646

        Well 1) I read the report 2) I have a brain 3) I am on Forwardprogressives not Fox

        And I quote- from the CBOdotGOV website: “CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 percent to 2.0 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor.” The reason for the reduction in the supply of labor is that the provisions of the ACA reduce the incentive to work for certain subsets of the population.”

        So this bill will reduce the incentive to work for certain subsets of the population says the CBO website. How are you going to say this is a GOP lie again?

      • Ted Govostis

        Did you read the article? That is the entire point. The GOP is trying to say 2.5 million people will get fired due to ACA, citing the CBO report. The CBO is saying “No, we didn’t say that. We said that 2.5 million will leave the work force because they were only working for the benefits.”

        GOP Lie=2.5 million jobs will be lost.
        CBO reality=2.5 million will work less, jobs will still be there if the companies choose to continue to offer them.

        2 extremely different statements.

      • Bine646

        The articles that I read from John Boehner never said that 2.5 million people will be “fired” bc of the ACA- he stated lines from the CBO directly- as I did.

        Anyone can see that an disincentive to work is not a good thing for America- wasnt it JFK (one of the most famous Dems of all time who said)- it isnt what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country. Sitting home bc you feel you dont need to work is not going to help our country move forward- especially when we are 17 trillion in debt and the interest in going to quadruple in 10years

      • white trash religious teaparty

        cherry picking history————– a mantra of regressives both in politics and religious ( see: biblical) applications.
        are U certain U don’t sacribe to FOX “news”? or maybe write for them?

      • Anti-KneeJerkReaction

        bine,
        x doesn’t always equal y. sometimes x = pi squared (xyz *2) +3 (an example posted randomly simply to show that life is more complex than your narrow view.)

        Your overly simplistic and inaccurate “an disincentive to work is not a good thing for america” has some holes in it that I want to address.

        a) There are seniors working simply for the health benefits. they don’t need a job.. they only need the benefits.
        b) There are disabled people struggling to do a job so they can get health benefits to help them heal and/or be more comfortable in their disability.
        c) There are 2 income families where one parent would love to stay at home and raise the kids but they need the health care benefits.
        d) There are people that can happily live on less… possibly living off their savings. They work simply to get health benefits.
        e) People that do NOT hold jobs, OFTEN give of their time to causes they are passionate about. This is a “good thing” on so many levels.
        f) Unemployment will be improved when people that do NOT need jobs leave those jobs. Those jobs will still exist… they will now be filled by people NEEDING them, improving many citizens’ lives.

        Before you spout off narrowminded judgementalism that speaks to the “value” of people that don’t wish/need to work, reconsider all the various areas you’ve simply been blind to.

        What you can do for your country isn’t all about holding a job. Please wake up and smell the coffee…

      • Stephen Barlow

        Apparently you 1) Don’t Read Well, 2) Don’t USE your insufficient brain and 3) don’t realize that abusing FE with your FOXfrauditude faux fictions doesn’t change the inherent flaws in your species. GOPLIARS are GOP liars. Just like I am sure you still believe that privatization (ENRON, Halliburton, etc) is more cost than Federalization.

        It doesn’t even provide a good a quality of service.BEfore Bush created Enron with his friends, did California have such MASSIVE power issues? NOPE!

      • Bine646

        All you libs lose your ground when you start dropping Faux news lines and Bush jokes- so childish- grow up Barlow. Next time stick on topic- we are talking about the ACA not Enron

      • white trash religious teaparty

        now,,,,, biney boy: be nice! if U can drag a 50 yr dead presidents (cherrypicked) saying into this fray that means that others may drag a MUCH more contemporary item ( bush/Enron / destroying economy et al) as well
        fair is fair,,,,, eh kreskin?

      • white trash religious teaparty

        ahem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, people who no longer HAVE to “work” to get the dubious ‘insurance’ of the past VIA workplace will now open MORE JOBS for others. Quitting a job opens job opportunities for others. perhaps minimal; but true nonetheless

      • Stephen Barlow

        MAY CAUSE is the preamble… kinda like “save up to 70% on…”.

        Also, A better reality is that the PPACA allows people to NOT BE CHAINED TO SUBSTANDARD EMPLOYMENT FOR CORRUPT EMPLOYERS solely for the purpose of having medical care.

        Just like Romney would allow the 1% to burden the 99% with the entire cost of government… because his plan was to let them live tax free.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        there U go again,,,,,,,,,annoying a regressive tea party loon with facts

      • Junkki

        It has changed the workforce. Thousands have either lost their jobs or were cut back to 29 hours. The same ole mentality this administration has is more people on government assistance, believes it does not have a spending problem, just give them more tax money, so much corruption, now the President just whips out his pen and writes executive orders just to get his way. Well over 60 present of the voters believe this country is heading in the wrong direction, yet this administration continues on the path of destruction with little respect for what the voters are telling them.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Until they are dead. I mean Texas is only 40% white racists and they persist with this crap there.

  • Debbie Ann Neumann

    Most people that I know have been working for companies that will not allow them to get F/T hrs so they are unable to apply for the Not so Good insurance anyway. This has been going on for Many years. Where have they been, under a rock, lol?

  • Charles Vincent

    ” could possibly result in the reduction of the American workforce by almost 2.5 million people.”
    “Reduction” translates to jobs lost idiot.

    • Stephen Barlow

      “Could possibly cause” makes the probability of that extreme outcome plummet statistically.

      You frigginidiots need to read in complete sentences.

      • Charles Vincent

        ahh your back again I see. your other comment was deleted because you posted a link I see you still haven’t figured that out yet. Do you really want to bring up the second amendment so I can make you look like a complete fool again?

        “A well regulated militia, necessary for the security of a free state…”

        OK here goes the Heller decision states that the part you mentioned is the prefatory clause, this means; as Heller stated “but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause.” that clause being The right of the people to keep and bear arms, Shall not be infringed. the right stated in Heller is an individual right period. The logic being that without there being an individual right to bear arms there could be no militia get it?

        Now on to the CBO analysis your claim that “”Could possibly cause” makes the probability of that extreme outcome plummet statistically.” is well dubious to say the least you have no fact to back your assertion like all your other posts you claim facts and statistics back your claim but then you provide no proof they do.

        Lastly I thought you were done talking to me? And that I was somehow stalking you by replying to your responses to my comments? Funny how it’s you that seems to follow me and post inane replies that lack any factual merit.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I didn’t even bother to read ya. There’s no point.

        Actually, I did, but only because I also support Special Olympics. Special people like you deserve someone to tell jokes to,

      • Charles Vincent

        Well I will endeavor to stop by and see you participate then I wouldn’t want to disappoint one of my fans now would I? I will cheer you on as you race for the special Olympics gold Stevie.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Heller is legally WRONG. It’s a corruption of the 2nd Amendment by a partisan bench. Sandy Hook is proof how WRONG it is. So is Aurora, so was Columbine. So are the other 30,000+ needless gun deaths since Sandy Hook.

        The Constitutional OBLIGATION of the state to safeguard it’s citizens through regulation of all kinds is GUARANTEED in the Articles and verified in the 9th and 10th Amendments.

        Regulation is what keeps OWS from exercising the 1st Amendment, why shouldn’t we all stay alive using it to keep the 2nd responsibly?

      • Charles Vincent

        Partisan? Wow I knew you were stupid but that has got to make your IQ a single digit number lol.
        You just love to inflate numbers and obfuscate don’t you? There have not been 30,000+ gundeaths since sandy hook learn to use the FBI homicide table dumbass. The state has no obligation to protect you that’s your job see the federal case stating this:

        http://www DOT nytimes DOT com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus DOT html?_r=0

      • white trash religious teaparty

        so————- how many gun deaths have there been dear ol’ chuckster? would THAT number be…………….. ” tolerable” in your regressive view?
        wonder what thy view would be is some shaved head white supremist loon shot ( several times) someone close to you…… a mom/ dad/ child-?
        as that hasn’t happened yet U remain insulated and rebarbative

      • Charles Vincent

        Well look it up on the CDC or FBI violent crimes page it sure isn’t 30,000. It isn’t about tolerable and if we educated people about how to be responsible and handle firearms safely and correctly we wouldn’t have accidental deaths by them. They used to teach hunters safety and markesmanship in school, they even had school rifle teams and there were far less accidental shootings then so to me its about education not fear-mongering. I grew up around them and have been shooting and handling them since I was five. None of my cousins or orther relative have ever shot themselves or anyone else and we we all taught how to properly handle firearms. And if some loon tried to shoot one of my relatives he wouldn’t clear leather so to speak because if it wasn’t me shooting him it would be one of my relatives.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        love the testosterone but get real: if some scumbag–well trained/well armed decided to target you/ relatives etc I feel your attitude would be altered

      • Charles Vincent

        You’re entitled to that opinion. You however do not know me very well, nor my relatives because they would definitely shoot back they did when the bank in the town where I grew up was robbed and now the four that robbed the bank have permanent plots in the cemetery there.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        you continue to miss the point. ur relatives will shoot back? congrads————
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I guess they are so paranoid that they check every eye contact with them and immediately have the GUN “un holstered” and are ready to plug a thug.

      • Charles Vincent

        you never know most of my relative carry and they are not oblivious to what happens around them. funny thing about guns is people are less froggy when they see you with one or do not know id you have a ccw.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        keep and bear arms…………….
        so– according to you ( and the growing wealth of the NRA) what does that allow? bazooka>? napalm? 50 caliber? hey!!! they are “arms”

      • Charles Vincent

        Well this is a sliding scale if say 10 militants are bringing an aggressive action on me me in an armored troop carrier an RPG would be the logical choice to stop the aggression from them. In short any arms that would facilitate me and my need for self defense is necessary to that end be it a handgun, a rifle, a grenade, a rocket launcher or a tank. the use of Napalm is prohibited under the chemical weapons acts.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        try to get caught with a grenade launcher/ et hoc genus omne in public.
        self defense? ” well regulated militia” seems to have that covered along with local sheriffs and us marshalls

      • Charles Vincent

        Well regulated refers to training and organization please read the federalist paper 29 I believe. This is also referenced in the body of the constitution itself. I was not claiming them to be legal i am saying that according to the heller decision firearms with a traditional military use should be available to citizens and that citizens should be trained to the same standard as a professional soldier in the army. The federalist paper 29 talks about this as well. Sheriffs and Marshals are not militia the national guard is considered an organized militia and regular civilians are considered unorganized militia.

        http://en DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903

        http://en DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki
        /Militia_Acts_of_1792

        http://www DOT law DOT cornell DOT edu/uscode/text/10/311

      • white trash religious teaparty

        please PLEASE TRY2 inform the white trash supremists who ” think” they are soooooooo well armed ( against comrade dictator emporer king for life OBAMA) that they can dissolve any/all us army that is called into action against them-if need be. I wish it would: luv to see the might of our incredible military mow down some “secession-esque” scumbag religious tea party trash who say they can stop the military and overthrow our government. I would pay big money to watch; might even join military just to shoot some southern scum- an I have travelled and lived extensively in the deep south: they are scum

      • Charles Vincent

        First I don’t think the military would follow Obama if he were to push that and I am fairly certain that the national guard units wouldn’t either I know many military and ex military people and that seems to be to consensus among them. More importantly mos of our military are over seas in Afghanistan or enroute to be deployed there from what I read.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        really!!!! military who doesnt do what commander in chief says to do– through generals/ colonels etc usually get imprisoned immediately.
        wanna play again?

      • Charles Vincent

        Hope that last post I made didn’t cause you to stroke out lol.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        naaaah,,,,,,,,,,,, after all the serious freebasing cocaine I did in the 80’s and the serious basketball ( fullcourt) I have played all my life a wee little post aint gonna impair me: maybe looking at michelle “no tits” malkin,,, but no readings!
        GOOGLE Marilyn Lange photos and see MY opinion of most beautiful woman ever

    • Ted Govostis

      No, in this case it means workers leaving. If someone retires, is that a job lost? No, because chances are the work still needs to be done, and the position is now open for someone else to fill. With our unemployment rates, this is a good thing. With those 2.5 million leaving the workforce, that creates openings for 2.5 million who are looking to fill those jobs.

      Nice try, but the GOP lie is still a lie. “Idiot”

      • Stephen Barlow

        So if we really tell the whole truth, it “COULD POSSIBLY MEAN” 2.5 MILLION less unemployed (or a 20% DROP in unemployment %) because of the 2.5 MILLION NEWLY HIRED REPLACEMENTS to fill the jobs opened up by the PPACA.

        WOW… If we revamp the entire DOD/DHS/VA infrastructure (96% of the Federal workforce) in the same ‘wheat from chaff’ way.. would we be replacing any of those 2 million employees via early retirement? Or would we be closing out 1/3 of the DOD because the perpetual war machine is shut off this year?

        Or actually, because the Republican failure to regulate, oversee and protect the citizens actually EXTENDED the work requirement for many by forcing the retirement age up from 67 to 70+ or death. What a relief for many to know they don’t have to work until they are dead to have healthcare they have bought and paid for through a lifetime of FICA investments.

        You DO know that a BUSINESS AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) literally solves ALL the fiscal issues facing America. What is 12% of the revenue of the Fortune 500 in the US? Now go pay the debt and provide Government services with that!

        And rich and poor alike can enjoy a serious tax cut. If ONLY Obama had the balls to EO the IRS into modifying the code. it would either help the citizens or force the Congress to act in an Election year.

      • Charles Vincent

        No it means people leaving because the ACA provides a disincentive to work full time that isn’t retiring that’s being lazy.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,, lazy. now able to stay at home and mind kids ( “family values”) while hubby works – that’s lazy. Creating your OWN business ( as I have ) by NOT being tethered to a scummy JOB is again> lazy. Chuckie- ya’ neeeeeds’ 2 expand thy limited scope

      • Charles Vincent

        It pushes business to only hire part time workers so a person has to work two part time jobs to make ends meet this doesn’t sound like a “better solution” and in fact does nothing to get the mom to be stay at home like you’re suggesting.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        is that a denial of what I am saying? already there are people ( number unknown) who have written to the aca website saying this.
        novoa skoz kaehpop vootie

      • Charles Vincent

        I dont know what people are writing to the website.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        or how many—- ergo they are doing what I said. the number? unknown

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s sort of irrelevant to our discussion the ACA is a bad law and there are more and more issues and problems every day with it. It should have never been passed.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        I said the same thing to that mongrel c Vincent— wanna bet he spins it differently?

    • white trash religious teaparty

      yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and when those who were FORCED to acquire “insurance” by working a shitty job now can quit; those jobs are no open to others
      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,funny how NO ONE mentioned that lil’ tidbit

      • Charles Vincent

        Nobody mentions those people already qualify for medicaid either. just saying.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        somewhat non sequitur; but true

      • Charles Vincent

        You’re going to need to sit down for this and tape your jaw up so it dont hit the floor, and have them heart pills handy chief.
        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=MWAbr-SoMAs

  • Stephen Barlow

    Isn’t early retirement a republican GOAL and mark of success?

    • waynef43

      Only if it’s implemented by a republican. Otherwise it’s a socialist conspiracy.

  • Stephen Barlow

    This is just plain inhumane. What are the Red Cross and all those churches going to do with all those FEMA blankets during the next 12 milleniums of global warming and into the coming ice age?

  • Green_Devil

    It’s one thing for your rank and file teatard who’s dumber than a box of rocks to confuse these issues, but I watched Mike Wallace on Fox “news” Sunday and some other teatard mouthbreather on Meet the Press repeat the exact same lie. At least on MTP, Andrea Mitchell was there looking very angry and probably slit his lying throat when they went to break and ditched his body in the alley. This is the thing about the entire teatard movement is that at its core, it is a fundamentally dishonest movement that exists entirely upon lies- that Obama’s a Kenyan socialist Muslim, that ObamaCare hurts the middle class and poor, that environmental regulations are bad and if we have to suffer through an entire state’s water supply being poisoned or a town in Texas getting blasted off the map it’s better than them there gubbmint people sticking their noses into our business.

  • white trash religious teaparty

    this guys is obviously a communist Kenyan muslim bent on destroying America as we know it— just like Obama.
    NOTE: any regressive rightwing nuts want to wager with me that FOX “news” will NOT highlight this guys statements??