The Chipotle Story Is About Gun Nuts, Not Gun Rights

24490867_SAFirst it was Starbucks, then it was Chick-fil-A, and now Chipotle has also told gun fanatics to please stop bringing their weapons into their establishment. Before we get into this issue further, let remind you there is a huge difference between gun owners and gun nuts. Simply owning a gun does not make you a nut. There are a lot of perfectly sane people out there who own and use guns for legitimate purposes, including self-defense. Then there are the gun nuts, like the folks behind Open Carry Texas who like to carry loaded weapons in public, in protest of Texas’s current law which does not allow people (other than law enforcement and security guards) to carry a handgun in full view. Texas has some of the loosest laws on gun ownership and what constitutes justifiable homicide in the entire United States, but even that isn’t enough for these people.

Absolutely zero restrictions on gun purchases, no registration or restrictions on where someone can carry one – even if it means forcing privately owned businesses to allow weapons on their premises against their will. This is the crusade of the gun nut, because somehow in their minds, the obvious answer to everything is “MOAR GUNZ!” What these people believe is that it is their right as white, heterosexual men Americans to be able to tote an AR-15, an SKS, a Colt .45 or any other weapon they want, out for all to see, regardless of the feelings or rights of anyone else. These aren’t gun enthusiasts or responsible gun owners exercising their Second Amendment rights. No, these are gun fanatics who want to flaunt military-style weapons in public to threaten and intimidate others.

At first glance, their mission statement seems just slightly wacky. Here’s what it says on their website:

1) To educate all Texans about their right to openly carry
rifles and shotguns in a safe manner.

2) To condition Texans to feel safe around law-abiding
citizens that choose to carry them.

3) Encourage our elected officials to pass less restrictive
open carry legislation.

4) Foster a cooperative relationship with local law enforcement
in the furtherance of these goals with an eyetowards (sic)
preventing negative encounters.


So let’s break down what these 4 points actually mean in reality. Yes, in Texas you can legally carry a long gun like an AR-15 into a Chipotle location or while walking down a city street, so long as you aren’t doing it in a manner considered to be threatening, which is exactly what these guys are doing. Here’s Texas law explained, without having to read page after page of statutes:

There is no legal statute specifically prohibiting the carry of a firearm other than a handgun, although there is debate as to whether doing so constitutes “disorderly conduct” (which defines an offense, in part, as “displaying a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to cause alarm”). Open carry of a handgun in public is generally illegal in Texas; exceptions include when the carrier is on property he/she owns or has lawful control over, while legally hunting, or while participating in some gun-related public event such as a gun show. A permit to carry concealed is thus required to carry a handgun in public. Concealed carry permits are issued on a non-discretionary basis (“shall-issue”) to all qualified applicants. In addition, Texas recognizes most out-of-state concealed-carry permits. (Source)

Next they state that they want people (including law enforcement) to feel comfortable with weapons being carried in plain view. Now if they meant hunting rifles or shotguns in a rural area, then they’d have a point. But Open Carry Texas isn’t talking about a bolt-action deer rifle or a pump shotgun, these fanatics want to be able to carry military-grade assault weapons anywhere they want, even into restaurants like Chipotle, which is why they’re advocating for even fewer restrictions than the very few that exist on the books in Texas.

As you probably know, I am a gun owner and I fully support the right of licensed people to carry a concealed weapon for personal protection. Carrying an AR-15 on your back or a Glock on your hip for all to see isn’t about protection, and it’s also incredibly stupid. Having a concealed weapon gives you the element of surprise if the situation calls for it, open carry just makes sure you’re the first person who gets shot during a bank or convenience story robbery. However, this isn’t about the Second Amendment or protection at all. What it is about is a twisted interpretation of the Second Amendment in which gun rights are unlimited and supersede the rights even of private business owners who don’t want their establishment being used for political points. More so, it’s about intimidation. These aren’t responsible gun owners, these are gun bullies. I’ll even go a step further and point out the fact that at all of these open carry rallies, do you see any non-white people?

These are individuals who believe that as white, right-wing Americans, they’re entitled to more rights than anyone else, including the delusional right to stalk and intimidate anyone who opposes them or even tries to take illegal guns off the streets through a buyback program. Open Carry Texas and others like them are not gun owners, they’re vicious bullies with guns. They aren’t champions of gun rights, they’re the greatest argument for more gun restrictions (especially mental health checks). It doesn’t matter whether you’re for or against more gun control, it’s time that the rest of us stand up to them.


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  • Bine646

    Love how he crossed out white, heterosexual men. Gun nuts are black as well, latino too. Some of the biggest gun nuts i have ever met are gang members- you know like in Chicago. They now call Chicago Chiraq. Theres a great piece done by Vice on Hbo.

    Manny is so ignorant and obviously racist its unbelievable

    • Pigna1

      IMHO you misinterpreted the article. Of course this crazy world is mix bag of nuts, of any color and orientation. But the article is criticizing a specific group specifically from Texas with a specific political orientation, which is commonly known to be racist and homophobic. Therefore IMHO Manny exclusion of other races from his criticism was intentionally related to the subject at hand and as a consequence the opposite of racist.

      • Bine646

        So you know this individuals personally or are you assuming that they are all homophobic n racist?

      • Pigna1

        Of course I don’t know them all, heck I don’t know any of them. But I wasn’t stating my opinion about the group, I just argued based on the article why IMHO it isn’t racist as you accused it to be. Now though you seemed to have changed the issue you have with the article from being racist to being stereotyping the group. I don’t know… you are probably right, it really sounds as if you do know them pretty closely.

      • Bine646

        Switch the “white” word to black n see if you call the article racist.

        You dont know any of them so you will make blanket statements about them- sounds about right

      • Pigna1

        I didn’t make any statement, I just made reference to the artical’s statements. It seems as if you have a deep urge to argue at all cost. No interest in arguing with you here, since you know them well and are obviously personally involved in the matter. Have a good day!

      • Bine646

        Yup and i see many people standing around me. Woman aswell- guess what- we come from all walks of life. Pretty scary for you guys huh

      • Pigna1

        Actually that’s awesome! Now that you established you belong to the group in question, maybe you care to give me some insider data. I would really appreciate if you could state the percentage of openly gay friends, of non white friends and of white heterosexual friend you have in said entourage. I really don’t mean to provoke further discussion here, I’m just actually curios about some factual data that could put all this discussion to rest. Thanks!

      • Bine646

        Ill run out the census next meeting, crunch the numbers and get back to you

      • Pigna1

        I was afraid you were going to dribble the question. Too bad, it was a serious question and a serious answer would have given much substance to your arguing all afternoon against the stereotyping of the group. I hope you realize that by avoiding the answer you leave a lot of space to the very points from the article you were trying to discredit to begin with.

      • Max Schmitt

        Pigna1, don’t feed the obvious troll.

      • Bine646

        Didnt you just reply to another one of my comments? Practice what your preach pal

      • Bine646

        Go to their twitter page, go to their facebook page. Look at their pictures- is it all white males? I see females, i see latinos, i see african americans? What do you see there Pigna? Not hard to do alittle research in this day n age. Dont rely on others for answers, find the yourself or youll be believing bigots like Manny

      • Snexas

        That may be the case, but I work in an area of Austin where these folks regularly protest. There’s usually note many protesting at a time (only 5-10 of them) & they’re always white.

      • Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier

        Pigna I doubt he actually read the article he is just a troll

    • BentDemocrat

      If I were to do a survey of people who advocate open carry and unlimited firearms purchase rights, the vast majority would very likely be white heterosexual.

      I am perfectly willing to admit to an error if you can prove otherwise.

      • Bine646

        Prove it. Ill wait

      • Dooby Scooby

        Prove they aren’t. We’ll wait.

      • Bine646

        Look up the demographic for gang members- they all believe we should beable to carry firearms. Guess you can stop waiting n ill keep on it

      • Max Schmitt

        Having trouble knowing the difference between open carry nazis and gang members? Hint: the latter aren’t the current topic of discussion, they’re being dealt with by law enforcement.

      • Bine646

        You are comparing open carry advocates (the entire US use to be) to nazis. Pretty radical there Maxie

      • Brian Purcell

        According to the 2010 census, White Americans make up
        72.4% of the population of the United States. 49% of those are male. The next
        largest ethnic group are African Americans that comprise 12.6 percent of the
        population. The estimates on homosexuality range from 1-3% from all
        ethnic groups so let’s assume that 3% of the 109,541,099 white males are gay, that
        leaves 103,254,866 white male heterosexuals. The total amount of all other
        ethnicities in the country, both male and female are 85,192,273 people. Unless every single one of the non-white people
        were in favor in unlimited, unregulated gun purchased and only if fewer than
        11% of white male heterosexuals were in favor of unlimited, unregulated gun sales
        then the majority would
        very likely be white heterosexual. The
        odds are definitely in favor of the vast majority of people who advocate open
        carry and unlimited firearms purchase rights are very likely be white
        heterosexual.

      • Bine646

        You are showing numbers for the entire US. This is a story about a group in Texas. Manny believes only whites believe they can carry assault weapons in plain view of the public. I guess hes never experienced gang life or the mexican cartel.

        Show me the numbers of gun violence in Texas. Whites kill themselves with guns, other minorities kill each other.

        Its one thing to pull up an outdated census but that doesnt paint the whole picture. You took those numbers and added your emotional spin to try n justify your racism. Ill wait for the criminal numbers, the numbers n demographic of gangs and who is using weapons to shoot targets and who is using it for criminal gain (for Texas not the US)

      • BentDemocrat

        You know what? I’m tired of these silly claims. I’m going to take a tactic the looney right loves to pull.

        Prove I’m wrong. It’s on you.

  • Brian Purcell

    There is no way to
    openly carry a firearm in a restaurant that does not intimidate other
    patrons. Is this guy about to pick up
    his AR-15 and just start gunning people down? Who knows? Is the guy carrying a concealed weapon going
    to start getting anxious and pull out his gun?
    Is the AR-15 nutjob going to feel threatened and start firing at the
    concealed weapon guy who has now drawn his weapon? Is it too much to ask for
    someone to simply conceal their weapon and not put everyone else around you on
    edge? Does the right to keep and bear
    arms mean you have to be an a$$hole?

    • Bine646

      You are such a nugget its unbelievable

      • Brian Purcell

        A nugget? Did you come up with literary gem all on your own?

      • Bine646

        Na its a common term for individuals like you- never heard of it? Go figure

      • Brian Purcell

        No one over the age of seven or with an IQ above 60 uses that phrase. Which one are you?

      • Bine646

        Prove it. Show me the data, ill wait

      • Brian Purcell

        I asked you the question. I guess we’ll go with the sub 60 IQ for you.

      • Bine646

        You asked what category i was? Under 60 iq or 7 yrs old bc those are the only individuals you say that use the phrase? So i said prove that those are the only ones who do- that hard to keep up huh brian?

      • Brian Purcell

        The point I’m making in only an
        imbecile, a moron or a child would use the phrase “nugget.” I assume you’re
        over the age of seven which means you’re an imbecile or a moron. Your comment to my post, “You are
        such a nugget its(sic) unbelievable” in addition to the incorrect use of it’s,
        contained absolutely no substance. You
        presented no argument at all. You failed
        to make any coherent statement of fact other than proving that you are
        incapable of formulating a proper sentence let alone a proper argument. This lack of higher lever reasoning leads me
        to believe that you must possess very low intelligence. I believe the reasons mentioned above support
        my hypothesis that you do, in fact, have a sub 60 point intelligent quotient.

        Imbecile was a medical category of people with moderate to severe intellectual disability, as well as a type of criminal. The
        term arises from the Latin word imbecillus, meaning weak, or
        weak-minded. It included people with an IQ of 21–50, between “moron” (IQ of 51–70) and “idiot” (IQ of 0–20).

      • Bine646

        And again I will ask you- back your claims up with some data instead of writing paragraphs of nonsense. ill wait.
        As for you being a nugget- you keep proving it haha

      • Brian Purcell

        Please don’t breed.

      • Zennethe

        Please, shut up. Regardless of the situation harassing someone over their IQ is childish and moronic.

      • Brian Purcell

        The term moron is is a direct reference to a low IQ so you’re either ignorant of a hypocrite and telling someone to shut up is just rude. Kindly sod off.

      • Erik Bostedt

        Where do you stand on this gun situation. Your so busy bashing this poor moron that you haven’t said where you stand

      • Bine646

        Brian is soft and upset I called him a nugget. I have undergrad n master degrees in areas of biology so his IQ pun is irrelevant. Guy has ingested too many female hormones from the water n hes turning into a girl

      • NunyaDangBisness

        Annnnnnnd you just invalidated any degree you claim to have with that imbecilic response. CONGRATULATIONS DIPPY!

      • Bine646

        Classic- guy goes to call out internet spelling from an iphone then messes up his own sentence. You are suchhhhhh a nugget brian- you mad? Haha

      • NunyaDangBisness

        I think the evidence is that you keep typing…and maybe you should just stop.

      • ironman2819

        Its amazing you ask for statistical data to prove an exclusive and extreme set in the case of his asking the question…. and yet you still didn’t answer the question.

        Perhaps the question itself touches a nerve revealing you are just another bully on the internet.

        Deflection is a tool of the trapped in an attempt to negate being caught in a conflict that they cannot readily resolve. It is a sign of a weak mind.

      • jake

        What in hell is wrong with you people? Can’t you make your cases without all this juvenile rhetoric?We can disagree and still act like gentlemen. Name calling and nit picking,about vocabulary or a word not spelled properly,or someone hitting the wrong letter on their keyboard,is just plain childish.It also is an indicator that the one
        yelling” the loudest,has to because he or she can’t make their case,and has been backed into a corner.
        Kids do that crap “I know you are,but what am I?” Remember?
        All that said,I will say, I don’t like guns. I have not picked one up for any reason,since returning from Vietnam. I promised myself and my wife and children I wouldn’t.
        But I have no issue with those who do carry in a law abiding way. BUT,I reserve the right to not allow guns in my business The power of the Second Amendment ends at the entry way to my property.
        I have one question for you gun folks,however,and please respond like an adult to this question,as I have posed it respectfully and as an adult.

        Many object to expanded background checks,wwhich will at least TRY and keep guns out of the hands of people like Jared Lee Loughner. Why? Background checks do not infringe upon Second Amendment rights in any way.The only ones who have anything to fear from expanded checks,are those who have something to hide.

      • NunyaDangBisness

        I think you’re being very generous with that.

      • Dan Ader

        The term ‘nugget’ used as slang has several possible meanings, none of which seems to fit your context. So please do us all a favor and explain what you mean. Seriously, Mr. Bine646, tell us what your intended meaning is. I’d really like to know.

      • Bine646

        Theres variances of the word- can add poopnugget for one individual (if brian was a homosexual- quite possible) but i was using it to mean a disliked person.

      • Brian Purcell

        Were a homosexual. Not “was” were. It’s the subjunctive tense. People learn it in the seventh grade. You might want to brush up on your language skills before you continue to spew vile with atrocious grammar.

      • Bine646

        Thanks nugget

      • Kynthia Alice

        Please don’t feed the troll and their need for attention. It’s a psychological disorder.

      • Zennethe

        Indeed.

      • Dan Ader

        Well, I got the reply I was looking for: Bine64 revealed himself to be an inarticulate bigot. I mean, ‘poopnugget’ as a homosexual slur? For serious? That’s so lame it’s barely offensive.

    • Talon Ward

      Do you get anxious when someone in the parking lot gets in her car because she might drive over the railing and kill you on the patio? Do you feel uneasy when an employee preparing food uses a knife because he might suddenly throw it into your neck?

      There are numerous ways other people can kill us every single day. They do not because they are sane, they probably have no motive, and there are pressures like the threat of incarceration to subdue any motive that arises (usually).

      To be afraid of someone carrying a gun is irrational. It is based entirely on your emotional perspective of guns and has nothing to do with the actual threat on your life, which is no more than the usual — especially considering all the guns you don’t see.

      That said, people are irrational. You make a fine example.

      • Brian Purcell

        There are thousands if ways to kill a person and included in those are the things you have mentioned. Unfortunately you’re missing the point; a visible weapon, especially a long gun is meant to intimidate people. It’s a selfish act wherein the person carrying the weapon deliberately draws attention to himself and relishes his perceived power over others. By contrast, someone concealing his weapon is doing so to protect himself should the need arise and he’s doing so in such a way as to not intimidate others. This is an argument of civility, not an argument about the right to carry a firearm.

      • Tyler J.

        Cars transport their passengers from Point A to Point B. Knives are used several different ways in the preparation of food. What non-violent, non-intimidatory secondary purpose do firearms serve?

        It’s a loose comparison at best.

      • Talon Ward

        Free speech, moron. Even the article says it was “in protest.”

      • Icorps1970

        Many, many uses. I was practicing/doing load development for Vintage Military Rifle Matches the last few days with my vintage military rifles (competition and hunting are their PRIMARY use since their retirement from active duty where they saved the world from the Nazis, the Samurai and helped break the USSR. I have competed in firearms competitions since I was a teenager, everything from Flintlocks to AR15s (or even M-16s, belt fed machine guns and even Grenade launchers in we count qualifications while in the Military). I have a freezer full of LOW FAT meat (compared to beef) killed with firearms that did not intimidate anyone in the process SFAIK. Shooting an elk is violent? Maybe. It is a part of preparing food. But how was your hamburger killed? What kind of life did IT live before being killed?
        If these things are too intimidating for you then you have a serious problem and I pity you. Like most people who live is a world of TV and Movies you fail to understand that likely hundreds of millions of rounds are fired every year purely in, pest control, hunting recreational shooting and competition. No intimidation unless your a “gopher” or Prairie Dog in some pasture in the west or a Skunk in the hen house or out in daylight (they are often rabid if out in daylight). Unless the intimidated have some sort of emotional problem causing an irrational fear of inanimate objects. Perhaps they should have enlisted in the Marines right after high school or even the Army. This might have better introduced them to “intimidation” . I can only assume that opinions of this sort stem from being very poorly informed about firearms and their ACTUAL USE in America. Then there are the 2 million+ times that privately armed firearms are used to PREVENT CRIME. Many times without without a shot being fired. But if one gets all their experience from TV and the Movies as many seem to do this is understandable. BTW I have also competed with knifes and small axes (for throwing). But this would likely intimidate some folks too I guess.

      • Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier

        I have never seen a gopher or deer in Chipotle, nor is it necessary for you to practice loading or reloading your firearms while having a burrito with the family. Pest control in public places should really be left to the owners of the establishment during non-business hours, not a customer with an assault rifle.

      • Icorps1970

        You need to read ALL the posts so you have some idea of the conversation. If you will note I said I saw little point in packing a rifle into a business (unless its a gun store). But I understand the reason the people did this and I explained that as well. The post I was responding to in the last post above wanted to know what other uses there were for firearms. I provided the information. Like most people with a narrow or liberal point of view you take the comments out of context and try to twist them. This makes your post somewhat nonsensical as if you felt compelled to post something even if it requires commenting on something I did not say. I never indicated that there were varmints or other game in Chipotle. The funny part is that with all the hand wringing here by the sheepeople here the place was probably one of the safest in town with the gun owners there. Criminals HATE armed citizens. At least as much as the typical liberal who apparently is afraid of anything he has little knowledge of. If you do some research you will find that next to armed criminals the Police intentionally shoot FAR more innocent people than armed law abiding citizens. Look it up. I think the police in stopping an armed robbery shoot like 8 times as many innocent people as an armed citizen doing the same thing. Look it up.

      • Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier

        yes sir! right away sir! LOL fuck off

      • Icorps1970

        Heh! Heh! Heh! Won again

      • Snexas

        What are the numerous uses for openly carrying a gun in a Chipotle? I have lots of friends with CHLs. I’m not against that, but these people are just idiots.

      • Cemetery Girl

        The situation of just about any item can change its threat level. A chef using a butcher knife isn’t a threat. A random person walking down the street carrying one is unsettling. Coming across a person in the woods with a chainsaw running isn’t alarming, but a guy taking a stroll down the street while reving a chainsaw is alarming. Walk through the country and pass a man carrying a rifle and it is no big deal, pass him while picking up a burrito or shopping in Walmart and it changes things. There is a difference between someone using a tool and someone asserting that they can do what they want even if it is considered threatening to some.

      • Talon Ward

        Congratulations! You are another to fail at reading comprehension.

      • cattnipp

        failing to acknowledge your obvious arousal from playing with your gun……. is common courtesy, not a failure on her part ……………………………. my children understood by the time they were 4 that pleasuring one-self is not BAD……. but that it was not good manners to do so in public and FORCE others to watch———————————————- quite shocked that your mother never explained it to you.

      • Icorps1970

        Lots and lots of people know how to kill you with a hand strike, just one and you are dead or so injured that a kick or two will finish you off. As I stated before I see little point in packing a rifle around in a store or restaurant its a PITA being in the way etc. But those that do it do so make a POINT that not everyone with a gun is a threat. They are just people. But too many Americans have been indoctrinated with the idea that guns are evil and people with guns are evil. If its unusual its bad. This is on the VIEWER not on the citizen who is likely not breaking a law. Its no different and surely less dangerous than cars going by driving the sidewalk at the speed limit.
        People doing open carry are attempting to counter a phobia and are actually trying the HELP people get over irrational fears. Its also one thing to see someone on the street with a full sized shotgun, for example, vs one that has been illegally shortened. But one must have the experience and the knowledge to determine this. Lawful gun owners don’t pack around shotguns shortened to 15-20″ over all length instead of 18″ minimum barrel length with a minimum over all of 26″. Since criminals almost never use full length rifles and shotguns seeing someone with a normal rifle or shotgun should not cause undue alarm. I would look the guy over to see if he appeared to be acting out etc. But I would not call the cops unless he was acting in a manner I thought was odd or threatening whether he had a gun or not. If someone considers a person walking down the street armed to be a threat then they are probably over reacting. People up to no good will likely have their weapon, gun, knife whatever, hidden.

      • Icorps1970

        One other thing. Its America. People CAN do what ever they want so long as they are willing to accept the consequences. The mechanical contrivance most commonly used in crime is the automobile. So I fail to see how the idea that since cars are registered guns should be to reduce crime makes any sense.

      • Snexas

        Well, really that has nothing to do with America. People anywhere can do what ever they want if they’re willing to face the consequences.

      • Icorps1970

        Heh! Heh! Sorry if I confused you in anyway by trying to maintain some context in the discussion. I don’t live in a Communist country or any of the many shit hole third world countries. Nor do I live in one of the European Nations that for sometime after we kicked the King out relied on a King to “protect” them and got indoctrinated to run the gov’t if they stub their toe hoping they will “kiss it and make it better”. So I tend to think in terms of America, where I live. The incident under discussion DID occur in America after all. Not North Korea or Nigeria.

      • Snexas

        What are the numerous uses for a gun in a Chipotle other than shooting someone with one?

      • cattnipp

        you WOULD have a point EXCEPT……….. the point is NOT safety……. it is because these people WANT TO MURDER someone—- and Zimmerman showed them the way—— just walk around, stalk people if you do not approve of their existence — kill them for looking at you wrong and sob that you were in fear of your life and it was self defense ———— That is why we have red-neck bigots running a convoy of 22 pick-up-trucks filled with open carry supporters traveling 27 miles away from their own town to patrol minority neighborhood …… screaming racial epitaphs, and explaining they brought their guns to DEFEND themselves against the lowlifes that live there—– then mocking and taunting the local police with “I have rights and you can’t do a thing to me”

        ————————————— useless idiots

  • John Clark

    Maybe I just live in the sheltered world of inside the beltway, but when I’m a in line going out the door waiting to order my vegetarian burrito, I never see people that look like those pictured in it.

  • FD Brian

    I think once you carry an AR-15 in the open into a public place, that would seem like an ideal place for me to use “stand your ground” law in self defense. It would take long to start up an argument about how stupid the person is and once he started waving it around, somebody drops him. Disaster averted and awareness of stupidity raised.

    • Icorps1970

      People open carry ARs and such all the time in Israel. If I am properly informed. Teachers are armed too. It prevents violence. Personally I don’t see a reason for packing around an AR or such just because one can. But its not a crime. Personally I carry a 1911 under my jacket unless out in the country and I happen to take the jacket off. But then I usually have a rifle too when out walking around in the mountains or prairies. The reason I don’t pack a rifle around in town is because its not nice to frighten the sheep. But I often have one in my vehicle. There is another side to this open carry thing that most people don’t think about. I suspect if many of the non-felons in LA open carried ARs drive by shootings might decline. Things like this actually reduce danger in the society (see Israel). So far as some jerk wanting to stand his ground and shoot someone who is doing nothing more than open carrying. In Texas this could put you on death row. Or get you shot by one of the AR packers companions. (BTW Shooting people is easier to talk (type) about and chest thump about than to do in real life). I would like to know how someone packing around an AR is more dangerous than someone with a 45 under his coat. OH! I forgot. Thats right, the guy with the AR LOOKS more dangerous. The liberal mind set is all about appearances and not substance after all (and FD Brian you sound just like a liberal dupe). Thus their irrational hatred of inanimate objects. Especially black ones. Maybe I should paint my AR white….
      Never mind the criminals seldom pack around or use long guns or ARs especially, they attract attention and criminals with guns dislike attention, felons cannot legally touch a gun much less carry one around.

      • Brian Purcell

        I own several guns and I enjoy shooting but it is not an engrained fantasy if mine to kill someone. I’ve travelled to some very dodgy places in my life and I’ve managed to avoid or talk my way out of most situations. I was mugged in Brazil by a man with a gun. He took my wallet. Had I been armed, what could I have done? The pistol was rested directly on my temple. There was no way I could use some kind if Kung fu defense and disarm him, draw my own weapon and fire. He took about $50. And I had to cancel my credit cards. It was inconvenient. It was a blow to my ego but in the end, it was stuff and no one had to die.

      • Icorps1970

        Situational awareness is a powerful weapon and can prevent problems. However, if one ever needs a gun and does not have it….

        Suzanna Hupp comes to mind. Who left her gun in her vehicle when she entered Luby’s so as to not violate the law and both her parents were killed after she said she had a clear shot at the murderer but no gun. I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to protect myself and those around me. If I should ever be forced to shoot anyone it will only be as a last resort to protect my life or some other innocent person’s. I suspect that it took Ms Hupp a long time to get over her decision to abide by the la. Not realizing that she would be ensnared in a the law of the jungle situation when things go wrong as it always the case when they do go wrong.

      • Snexas

        In Israel they also have a gun registry, do more extensive background checks, including health, mental health & criminal records, gun owners must re-qualify every 3 yrs for gun licenses & they limit the amount of ammunition a citizen can possess.

  • Edward Krebbs

    The pictures I’ve seen have been people carrying their weapons in a provocative manner including finger on the trigger. And really, selfies ?

  • Edward Krebbs

    Now if the left were to decide to behave like the RWNJ, they would release a statement from a phony organization for 2nd Amendment Rights that is working to place guns in the hands of inner-city (codeword for minorities, of course) people so they can defend themselves from all the crime as well as the threat of people who have decided, on their own, to patrol our city streets while carrying guns. Then let it echo through the news media for a couple of days, put up some pictures on facebook of blacks holding weapons, and see the reaction.

    Of course, I vaguely remember that, I believe it was the Black Panthers or similar, actually announced that they were going to put guns in the hands of inner-city folk so they could protect themselves. As I remember it, then Gov Reagan squelched that idea real fast.

    • Edward Krebbs

      In all seriousness, what would be the reaction should the news media find a facebook page of black youths showing off their firearms ?

      • cattnipp

        WHY should it be any different than when a pack of in-bred tea-billies showing off their firearms????

  • Dan Ader

    “2) To condition Texans to feel safe around law-abiding citizens that choose to carry them.” — and we’re supposed to know they’re “law-abiding citizens” because how? Do they wear white hats?

    • Snexas

      Texas has so few gun laws that there’s no way to know these folks are law abiding. If we had a gun registry, closed the gun show loop hole & did more thorough background checks, then maybe… No, still nope.

  • Patrick Milliken

    It’s long past time for those of you who claim to be responsible gun owners to get off your asses and represent yourselves en masse. Otherwise, your silence regarding the asshats in this article will be interpreted as complicity. And if that’s how you want it to be, you have no one to blame but yourselves if really stupid firearms legislation gets passed. And I won’t feel sorry for you.

  • Utopia

    As a white male, I find it bullshit that other white males, in general, continue to think they fucking own the world. This sacred rare gift of life was bestowed upon us all, and its main purpose is to explore the glorious adventures possible with these bodies and minds. This is another testament to how sorrowfully lost so many are, and how our only hope at reaching the shrine of intelligence is star-flight. Join me in a new utopia on a distant planet and we can show people that it’s not a cult when you focus on ways to exist in harmony with the beings and planet around you.

  • Icorps1970

    Forward Progressives? Is that like Onward Comrades? Or Carry on Stalinists? Or Advancing Communists? You posters DO know that “Progressive” is a term for Communists/Socialists and has been a code word for such for about 100 years? Communist Dupes comes to mind too. Colleges are full of them since probably the late 1950s and certainly by the mid-60s.

  • dean

    If there was discussion I would join, open carry of long guns is over the top. It is inconvenient in a restaurant, (sit, eat, Men’s room ect.)and safety is an issue in any public venue, one really cannot carry condition one, so you run the risk of losing your weapon in a moment of inattention or being disarmed by a group. Unless you walk around in groups of 4 or 5. The long gun is not effective in close combat and once in such a group you run the danger of engaging each other instead of an aggressor
    Without training in group tactics you are a danger to each other. I ask to what end do you continue? To be banned from every chain restaurant ? The public is never going to accept this behavior as appropriate. That’s why the public stopped doing it, (with the possible exception of hunting season) because there is no credible public threat and therefore no need.

  • Keith Jeffery

    I was not going to comment on this thread until one guy brought race into it. Blacks love guns just as much as everyone else. To insinuate that only “white males” feel strongly about gun rights is just wrong. I am a 40 year old black man with 2 kids and a wife of 18 years that conceal carries every single day. I have an equal mix of black, white and Latino friends and feel that we have all missed the point here. I am a gun guy, (saying gun nut implies that I have no control over my thoughts or actions). Our forefathers were smarter than any of us give them credit for. Any form of gun restriction or registration policy is soon to be followed by tracking and finally confiscation. When a Government fears its people that’s freedom. When the people fear the Government that’s tyranny. Look at all the Countries that have taken guns, The people are powerless and controlled by their Government. The only thing stopping them from loading us all up on a train to a FEMA camp near you is our ability to protect ourselves with private firearms. I’m not here to judge others, just here to defend my rights. I don’t carry my AR-15 into Chipotle, I live in Tucson Az, where its legal to carry a concealed weapon anywhere you want (without a license) Texas better get to work before another restriction is passed taking more of our freedoms away. A gun is like a parachute, if you ever need one and not have one, you will never need one again, think about that!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dex

    Took about 3 paragraphs for you to demonstrate your factose-intolerance: “Texas has some of the
    loosest laws on gun ownership and what constitutes justifiable homicide
    in the entire United States, but even that isn’t enough for these
    people.”

    Wrong. Most states that allow concealed carry, also allow open carry. Texas doesn’t. Texas’s Concealed Handgun License has a higher-than-most fee, and a stiffer than average training requirement. Other states allow carry in establishments that serve alcohol, albeit with a zero-consumption requirement in some. Texas doesn’t.

  • Icorps1970

    I am stopping email notifications for this thread. Its obvious there is a serious lack up brain power on this “progessive” site. You folks have been believing your own BS for too long.
    I suggest if you want to understand how the Founding Fathers viewed the Constitution on any issue that you download the “Federalist Papers” these are available from several sites. In the context of Federal control of firearms and the Militia and the Second Amendment’s PURPOSE and thus the reason FOR state Militias and the reason CIVILIANS with firearms are important see #29 by Hamilton. But of course being written by educated people it may require some of you to do some thinking to understand it. It was written in 1780, before “progressives” got control of our schools system. There are no photos or videos either. You should remember, before getting all conflicted that the INTENT of the law IS the law. So the INTENT of the Constitution is the LAW. Later spurious “interpretations” do not change the intent and in fact the intent SHOULD nullify spurious decisions that disagree with the intent. But this would not allow judges to rewrite it without going through the required amendment process so its not PC to think about the actual intent of the Constitution.
    Bye : )

  • 19mr85

    The article is about carrying a firearm in a public restaurant. It’s difficult to offer a comment or feedback that might be helpful or offer another prospective when some choose to attack someone with an opinion. I am not saying I support or I don’t support his comments.

    You don’t have to agree with an opinion, you should state your opinion to give your view point some merit.

    If this is going to be about name calling, this article, its comments and thoughts aren’t going to be worthy of anyone taking any part of it seriously.