The Confederate Flag Has Never Been About Pride – Just Hate

confederate-flag-take-it-downI’m a lifelong Texan, born and bred. While I’ve lived in several cities within the Lone Star State, I’ve never lived outside of it. In other words, I am true a “Southerner.” But there’s no denying that there’s a sickness that’s persistent among my Southern people. I’ve seen it my whole life. And the truth of it is, it’s all tied back to the days of slavery and the Confederacy.


Even now, in 2015, most of these same Confederate states (as well as other “red states”) continue to have the same sort of mindset many of those had back in the 1800’s. They:

  • Seem to think states’ rights gives them the ability to do whatever they want, even if that means violating the Constitution.
  • Have a strong distrust of the federal government.
  • Talk about armed revolts against our government.
  • Love guns.

It’s also not a coincidence that groups like the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist organizations align with the modern-day Republican party. Hell, in 1989, Louisiana Republicans elected a former Grand Wizard of the KKK and white supremacist, David Duke.

But the truth is, most of this rhetoric about “Southern pride” and talk of “Southern heritage” is tied back to the Confederacy.

Let’s just look at the facts, shall we? The last shot of the Civil War was fired in June of 1865, effectively ending slavery. But it wasn’t until 1964nearly a century later, that African-Americans were finally given equal rights in many of these former Confederate states. That is how fiercely many of these states, and the people living in them, fought against equality for African-Americans. Sure, slavery was abolished but that certainly didn’t mean that blacks were really “free.” That’s part of the “heritage” which so many Southerners seem so proud of.

With the establishment of the KKK by former Confederate soldiers almost immediately following the end of the Civil War, that began a systematic process by those who saw African-Americans as less than human to do whatever they could to make life a living hell for them and anyone who might dare support them – and that’s exactly what they successfully did for nearly a century.

Though when you think about it, while the Civil War seems like it was a long time ago, we’re really not that many generations removed from those who supported slavery and fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War. There were some Confederate veterans who lived until the 1950’s. Meanwhile, there are still plenty of people around today who (at least back then) supported segregation, bans on interracial marriage and opposed the Civil Rights Act.


And at the heart of it all, the symbol of that “Southern pride” and “heritage” that’s been there since the days of slavery straight through to segregation has been the Confederate battle flag.

That’s where the truth comes into play with all of this. It was the belief by some following the Civil War that the “South will rise again,” which even today is something you’ll frequently hear echoed by many Southerners. In fact, it’s a quote you’ll often see branded on the Confederate flag itself.

All of this is linked.

Yet it’s as if many people in the South either ignore this reality or just don’t care because “it’s how they were raised.” Which, by the way, is a big deal in the South. It’s why conservatives are so damn irrational. “How you were raised” can trump reality, scientific facts and pretty much damn near anything. Many of these people defending the Confederate flag almost willfully ignore the overwhelming ties to racism it symbolizes simply because “they were raised” that the flag was the “symbol of the South” and a sign of “Southern pride” and a part of “their heritage.”

Though the truth is, while some have tried to tie this flag in with their “Southern pride” seemingly in an attempt to rebrand its meaning, the Confederate flag has always been a symbol of hate. They’ve just ignored the reality about what it truly represents. Because when you trace racism from the days of the Civil War and the Confederacy, to the KKK, to segregation, to bans on interracial marriage and opposition to the Civil Rights Act, there’s one symbol that’s represented all of those horrific things:

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But there’s something else that this flag represents besides racism, hate and ignorance – and that’s losers.

So, to those Southerners who still cling to the rhetoric and symbolism of a decayed era in American history that should be viewed upon with disgrace and embarrassment,  I think after 150 years it’s time to face facts: The South will never rise again – not like that, and not with this flag representing it – and that’s a damn good thing. This disgusting flag and the 13 stars adorning it represents the largest treasonous act ever carried out against our Constitution, the U.S. military and this nation.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • John

    Thank you so much for writing this. I grew up in a Neo-Confederate household and I can assure you, it’s about racism. The people who defend this flag are disgusting. I was taught to spout the same lies, but I also was there to know what those people truly felt.

    It a wonderful feeling to see evil being pushed back. We should not stop until every flag, monument and statue are removed from government property.

  • caden02

    A thought jumped out at me that mirrors what Obama has faced since election by the GOP because he’s black.”following the end of the Civil War, that began a systematic process by those who saw African-Americans as less than human to do whatever they could to make life a living hell for them and anyone who might dare support them – and that’s exactly what they successfully did for nearly a century.”….. and the last 7 years with their vow to obstruct him in everything he tries to do. Anyone see the parallel?

  • caden02

    We should give him another term to finish those things that he tried to do for America and the Haters blocked.

  • Jay Greenburg

    Excellent piece and concise summary of the FACTS.

  • LOL, conservatives

    Allow me to say, I *love* your writings! Here though, i must apologize. I am sorry, but some of the article misses the mark in important ways.

    “….Seem to think states’ rights gives them the ability to do whatever they want”
    — Sorry. But the Confederacy was never about valuing States’ Rights. If anything, much of the dispute at the time was from the Northern States asserting **their** rights to not assist slaveholders. It is very important not to allow the States Rights myth to be perpetuated.

    “the symbol of that “Southern pride” and “heritage” that’s been there since the days of slavery straight through to segregation has been the Confederate battle flag.”
    — Sorry again. But the Confederate battle flag was largely forgotten after the Civil War for about 80 years. It wasn’t until the Civil Rights movement started gaining steam that the Confederate Battle flag was trotted out, largely as a slap at blacks and a not so subtle threat for them to “stay in their place”.

  • moon

    So let me get this straight white officers since the beginning of 2015 have been accused of racial profiling even the claim was made in Baltimore up until the indictment charges was made showing three of the officers to be black than it became police brutality, and the protest that turned into riots destroying local businesses which was someone’s lively hood all was commended by barrack obama whom shouldn’t show any bias being this nations leader in front of the nation’s, then few weeks prior to a weak minded racial hating child, a black colledge student shoots people then pledges he is apart of I.S.I.S and last a split second on media then when that weak minded kid done what he did it stays on the media for weeks and has a embroider patch of white supremacist colony from south Africa, and instead of truely laying the blame where it belongs,you blame a flag that today to those who have ancestors that died for that flag white &black its a memorial for those civil war vetrans taking that flag away from a memorial is just as wrong as taking it away from the fallen iraq vetrans who died and fought for our flag today, real racisim isn’t just from WHITES, better look at your local N.A.A.C.P, Al Sharpton and Rev. Jessie Jackson who profit from these racial riots and stirs, which those three have strong ties with cnn and more that pulls this crap, and its sad people buy into the media propaganda b.s. and aren’t seeing the FOREST THROUGH THE TREES

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      If the flag is a symbol of southern pride, why don’t black southerners also feel proud when they see the flag? Do you see any African Americans wearing that symbol or putting it all over their houses or vehicles?

      You are a total loon, moon.

      • moon

        Apparently you aren’t paying much attention because there are many black supporters of that southern pride, the only loons are the ones playing song and dance to this crap like meat puppets with todays social hype and media propaganda hands up their ass so on the contrary the loon would be those who stand out screaming this is racist, if that boy was flying a gay flag you boycott that too wouldn’t you?!!

        http://www.texasconfederateveterans.com/blacksupporters.htm
        take a look for your self since your ignorance blinds you, might want to dig deeper in your research before calling some one a loon, better be thought of as a dumbass than to open thy mouth and remove all doubt!!!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Is this in South Carolina? No? Because that is the monument in question. And even if you see one or two black people, that doesn’t mean there is wide acceptance. Take a look at the GOP and mitt Romney’s concession speech, or any GOP rally for the last 40 years and you will rarely find a person of color. sorry loon but .0005% are the outliers, not the rule. Get a grip buddy.

      • moon

        Like i said taking that flag from the monument won’t change anything just make more people support it and fly it, who cares about the G.O.P the ones in office is only truely doing this for political reason why you think they haven’t left the vote to the people, see is already racist within it self with BLACK LIVES MATTER been hearing that same thing since trayvon case! Oh and btw blacks was marching to keep the flag on top of the Capitol back when it was still up there, I’m from south Carolina and all i see is people using a flag as a reason for that boys hate when it was much more than that, but because the flag was in it stirred up the pot about it coming back down, even with it not there that boy still would have done what he done it wouldn’t have changed a thing with it being gone

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        fly the flag all you want white people. We all know who flies it, racists. It’s no secret. The State and its leaders no longer advocate it flying on State property. There is no sense in trying to reason with you hayseeds, really.

        I’ll leave you with the words of another proud southerner:

        “you’ve raped our women, and you are taking over the country,” he said, according to Johnson. “… I have to do what I have to do.”

        -Dylan Roof

      • moon

        Call me racist if you want than i will show you who is true racist and those who hollering racist are the real racist, funny black panthers are so damn racist and they are more racist blacks today than there whites, one black even commented black strong and its more whites fight to remove it

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        uh huh…sure…smh. Wow.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        do the Black Panthers have their flag flying over State Capitals? If not, your ‘logic’ has no merit.

      • moon

        Its on a monument not the state capital. It was but now is not…key word was even if it’s put in a museum isn’t that funded by state tax dollars as well

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        get it out of site. In other news, the KKK is planning on marching in support of the flag in mid July AND six historically black churches have been destroyed by fire in southern states in less than 7 days. Nope, no racism in the south at all….. Go bury your head in the sand Loon.

      • moon

        Only rally that’s happening local is the one in North Carolina and thats being supported by the former president of N.A.A.C.P and as well being joined by black southerners who support it staying

      • moon

        You look at it which ever way you want and others will as the same, you think racist others see pride not hate, and that church burning thats a huge lie along with any kkk rallies cause there would be riots in the streets that’s dumb as hell to even believe

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Again, reality is very different from what you hope.

        http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/kkk-plans-rally-sc-state-house/nmnpL/

        Racists sure do admire that flag…..I wonder why.

      • moon

        Not everyone who admires that flag is racist, but people like you like to stereo type people like me and don’t believe me, still why would i care?! Hate me for flying the flag, call me a racist and I’ll still be laughing because it makes no difference, i can fly it all i want, so take it down and many more will fly it more and more because you want to scream racisim at people because maybe your insecure, who knows

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Sure, but all white supremists admire it. Kind of like Fox news. Fox news isn’t ‘racist’ per se (at least overtly) BUT it’s #1 with racists.

        And you can laugh like a crazy person all you want about your surrender flag. We all know you are a racist and you are being judged by everybody who sees it. Some may like it, some may hate it, and many will just think you are a prick. But you are being judged and assumptions are being made about you because of your choices. It shows a lack of maturity on your part, and a genuine lack of concern for anybody else but yourself, but I expect no less. Children will be children.

      • moon

        Opinions are like assholes every body’s got one, and only one i see judging anyone is the person telling me I’m a racist, and why because i disagree with you and won’t follow people who choose to follow the same path as you so you call me a racist and stereo type me because you honestly think everyone’s on the same page as you…. your right about children will be children becauae thats how people are acting if the flag does not get removed from that memorial!!!

      • moon

        And black panthers are black supremacist, that organization has yet to even get shut down, should be but yet hasn’t

      • moon

        It doesn’t excuse racisim either way…

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        six black churches burned in the south this week and the KKK is filing paperwork to march in Charleston in support of the racist flag. Racist whites? No way, not in the south…. You are pathetic Loon.

      • moon

        Media bullshit

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        http://www.npr.org/2015/06/29/418490411/arsonists-hit-6-black-churches-in-5-southern-states

        I guess everything is bullshit when it doesn’t conform to your desires for reality? I’m sorry but reality is very different than what you wish it was.

      • moon

        And where you getting your news from

      • moon

        Old saying believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see, easy to lay blame on this matter now two days before dylan roof didn’t see this protest till now and media feeds lines of crap surprise surprise nothing on news coverage, know why cause the facts are inconclusive and thats why they have yet to rule it out as a hate crime, but people don’t jump to conclusion before knowing facts do they?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        loony, it is on the news. But probably not right wing news like you only watch and tune in to. Check the link I posted idiot.

      • moon

        Wow watching the 5:00 news now and guess what not a damn thing on that topic, bet ya the kkk had something to with it being posted on internet hmm

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        LOL….It was on CNN and MSNBC earlier this afternoon. I certainly don’t expect your right wing news station to carry it. Check NPR as well. LOL. You know, you seem to have a lot in common with the KKK. You should probably just look up your local chapter and start attending. Your friends and family are probably already members.

      • moon

        One track mind you have and is glowing ever so brightly

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Channel 9 News, Charlotte.

        http://www.wsoctv.com

        How many more do you want?

      • moon

        Heard nothing i just said ….. again…. i believe nothing i hear and half i see…you and others holler racist, and kkk this, white supremacist that so wouldn’t surprise me the least bit if they actually did come out of the wood work! though almost willing to bet someone set it up to make it appear what it isn’t just so they can lay more blame against topic….and media eats it up for the ratings. Media doesn’t lie to people thats just absurd

      • moon

        And still didn’t understand a thing i said about believing nothing you hear and half of what you see!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        you don’t make any sense and you totally disregard everything that doesn’t fit your version. Just move along and go to your summer job kid. And while you are flipping burgers tonight, ask every black person how they feel when they see that flag, because we know what that flag inspired Dylan Roof to do, along with countless other racists for the past 150 years.

      • moon

        Wow you are very much stereo typing lmao… you think I’m a kid for one and two you think I’m a white kid soo who is being really racist, I’m neither of the two…. ass.u.m.e really gets people every time!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        since we aren’t excusing racism…..The flag is DOWN!. This is a good day since it is a racist symbol. You don’t like racism of any kind right? Are you celebrating?

      • moon

        Why would i celebrate, nobody except the legislatures voted on it, and it look it still hasn’t made anyones day that much better lmao….you still have to continue on like days before, but i guess its a good day cause now you can’t place blame as to why you aren’t getting what you want on a flag anymore, thats the irony in it lmao! Like everything else i guess if someone doesn’t agree with a black person then they are a racist person ha ha ha ha, just like if i don’t choose to date a black person it makes me a racist, that shit is just people way of trying to get what they want by using the racist card trick, anyone who isn’t blindsided can see clearly through your post, funny never flew the confederate flag before ever but because i support it, that automatically make me a racists right?!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        seriously, what are you babbling about? Getting what “I” want? If someone doesn’t agree with somebody of a different race, they are a racist? Wow, you sure do have a complex at this point…LOL And I could care less what those people pulling down that symbol of hate had on their mind as they were doing it. It’s gone. deal with it cleetus

      • moon

        No no no you got my name all wrong it’s MasonDixon rflmao take your slag jaw insults and your hood rat speechs back to the ghettos where more than likely you reside at, maybe have some real drinks instead of that cheap ass gin or raunchy ass kool aide you so poudly to talk of lmao

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        BWAHAAAHAAAA….thanks for the laugh….pure comic genious

      • moon

        Or back to the government housing in either which is the same lmao

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Is their symbol flying over any state capitals?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        BTW, this isn’t about the black panthers if you aren’t aware. One thing at a time cleetus.

      • moon

        Its okay to belive that if you wish to, its about racisim yes?! You holler about k.k k do you not, so why would the leader of the black panthers make such a speech of hate saying to kill a whites and their families?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        dumb ass, this is about that POS flag, which the KKK uses as a symbol. Do you try to be this fucking stupid, or does it come naturally to you?

      • moon

        See you are just as must the fucking fool as those who say the say thing, as i said before you can percieve it any which way you want like others and but because of ignorant people like your self they choose to use it for their hate, if this flag should be banned for the k.k.k. then why not ban white bed sheets, holy crosses, rope even, its called political votes dumbass, why you think gay marriages was allowed shortly after they put it in vote for the flag to come down….they want all sides of votes IT’S A FACT. Election is coming up and they want all the political pull they can get!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Crosses and bed sheets??? Bwaaahhaaaa…. Get a grip douche, you have lost it

      • moon

        you get a moron and take a True look around dipshit

      • moon

        You holler racist symbols those was used as well by the k.k.k , you and idiots like you lost it, ohhh let me get a dutch flag while I’m at it, bwahahaha such an idiot you are!!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Up the meds son. And tell your mom to lock up all of the guns because you are a danger to yourself and other people. Seek therapy soon, loon. They do make things to help you troubled children. Seek help.

      • moon

        Btw I’m not your son, I’d commit suicide if i knew i came from someone belligerent and ignorant such as you, hell I’m probably older than your self from the way you comment others which only shows of insecurity you have of any true political views or any respect for others opinions, which in fact you actually have to think for it to account as an opinion!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        don’t hesitate, you probably did. Do the world a favor.

      • moon

        Hahahaha only be doing a black supremacist a favor like your self

      • moon

        Have a nice day little guy!! 🙂

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        So the Dutch starting the slave trade makes the treason flag flying on government property OK…..nice logical position you have there. LOL

      • moon

        You moron if the confederate flag is treason than your beloved crooked president obama is no different and the dutch flag os a resemblances towards ignorant people like you who are simple minded and use the most irrelevant things as something to holler racist at

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I would assume you probably like crosses of the burning variety…Am I right? In which case, yes those should be banned if they aren’t already in your POS state. Rope hung as a noose as a form of intimidation should be banned as well. Maybe you just don’t get it though due to just turning 16 or whatever you are. I get it. Talk to your daddy if you know who he is.

        And now this was all a plot for the Supreme Court to uphold Gay Marriage…..wow, you are a total loon. Seriously, you should up the meds today.

      • moon

        And your point would be??

      • moon

        SERIOUSLY…….. are you back on crack rock or did you go to meth moron?!! Wow you sound just like Tim Scott, i bet when you grow up you wanna be just like him don’t ya boy!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        “assu”??? Brilliant…..

      • moon

        No moron you do all the assuming so leave me off the end of your assume

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Obsessed much? Racism and hatred consumes you, oh and alcohol apparently….good luck son.

      • moon

        Btw dumbass the flag was being used to depict racisim as to why so many hollering take it down, what speech you think was given week before they had decided to take it down, only few blocks away from the church it happened at, by your beloved ani-white black supremacist leader!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        LOL…..so I guess everything is fine as far as you are concerned. America and the GOP of SC disagrees with you.

      • moon

        No they just play politically correct for a one sided bias, like i said before they didn’t give it to the people for votes, if so it wouldn’t have been removed

      • moon

        Oh and TEXAS IS APART OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you would have known that if you kept paying attention in history class

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Yeah, but South Carolina is its own state. The only thing Texas has in common with South Carolina is it’s love of a single party system and propensity towards white supremecy.

      • moon

        And they stop selling confederate items on ebay but still sell k.k.k. memorabilia all day long why?? Because idiots such as your self blame a flag and you can buy a isiss flag online but not the confederate flag hmmm what’s wrong with this picture

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I agree, they should stop selling those items as well. Please let the way in getting those banned. Thanks in advance.

      • moon

        Isn’t just ebay its walmart and amazon as well but you can try to protest against that too doubt that will go anywhere cause everyone is in hype over this flag, Like i said not seeing the forrest through the trees

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I’m not protesting. Since you are into forests and trees, let’s start with this one proverbial tree. And then we can chip away at the forest of hatred one tree at a time because trying to do it all at once hasn’t worked yet. This is a step in the right direction and I applaud those businesses for taking the correct action.

      • moon

        Its political and always truely been political, it ties in with money like the rest of everything but like i said you can put that out there but most likely won’t be a taker like the contraversy over this flag so i doubt those companies will pull it

      • moon

        And if there so much racial hate than why keep complaining about just the flag lets do away with all that has to do with racial things such like the N.A.A.C.P because like i said that’s looking out for only one races right not asian,white, korean,hispanic, just black

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        You obviously don’t have a very clear understanding of US history. Move along you immature, uneducated, hick.

      • moon

        By the way calling me an uneducated hick is like calling you a hood rat or a porch monkey

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I remember my first beer…..hope it was good for you.

      • moon

        I seen your other little typical speeches of b.s. on other links as well contradictng others like your views would make morse sense than others, but hey every web page has trolls such as you, its okay to feel like you actually made some real difference while you sat on your butt rflmao!!!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        LOL…sure bud….what are you doing here again? LOL…nice life you have. hahahahaa

      • moon

        I’m pretty certain i have a better and happier life than you, unlike your self I’m not self deluded and like to think outside the box of being narrow minded and being racist like your self!

      • Proud Southerner

        Take away black history month if you want to see some marching! Its only fair. It’s all about black now. And gays. The Conservative Right (Right BTW also means correct and opposite of left to you liberals) has a huge hole to pull America out of that the Obama administration has got us into. And that is IF they can win back the White House. Which is doubtful since the brainwashing began 7 years ago. This flag issue and the legalization of gay marriage is just another step towards America’s downfall that Obama wanted.

      • moon

        Well said !!!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I know that it must burn you up inside as a white man to see others being treated as equals, but this is something you needed to come to grips with long ago. Deal with it.

        And exactly why would President Obama want “America’s downfall”? What is in it for him or anyone? Do you understand how stupid you sound, or do you just repeat Glenn Beck’s idiotic thoughts without remorse? But I get it, you are a proud southerner who is proud of being racist. Typical douche who needs to grow up.

      • moon

        How do even know he is white, ohh i forgot your a racist against whites and believe for someone to stand and support the confederate flag or does not care for obama shit then they must be a white person….right and you call him a racist for you being one your self cause he don’t JIVE your way, rflmao you seriously need to quit being hypocritical

      • Proud Southerner

        It’s impossible to reason or even talk to this individual. He/she displays racism and hate. I actually pity this angry soul. Be careful, Moon. If you argue with an idiot he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

      • moon

        My friend i have seen other comment post with this person, and he/she contradicts everything anyone says, because they are not on the same page of this persons ignorance, this person will talk to a sidewalk it seems as long as it doesn’t go against what their saying is!

      • Proud Southerner

        Lol I’ve noticed that too. Ignorance is bliss.

      • moon

        No kidding blindness eludes them in their little world, yet while the world turns their stuck on RACISIM, but who is the real racist when they are desecrating general forrest and hos family’s graves, as if the flag isn’t enough their trying to do away with history of it all together, can’t wait for election cause plenty is waiting to remove those who are doing such sick acts

      • moon

        You know people like that are stuck on racisim mode in their little world believing that taking down that flag is going to make the world such a better place and bring equality, mean while thier believing all this and beating that horse to death, the euro dollar is drastically falling and if other countries stock markets crash….guess what happens to ours! China five years ago the super power country with the most money now the financially struggling…..Ever heard of one world order….one currency!!! Well time is about to tell, but you can’t fix stupid so thats why people that disregard anything but to stay focused on racial topics!

      • Proud Southerner

        So true, so true! People like this are blinded by their hate for us and their so called unequal rights they’re not getting that they don’t see what’s really happening OUTSIDE the U.S. that’s going to impact all of us eventually. These other countries looking in and are laughing and saying, “Look! They’re fighting over a flag now!” How spoiled and weak the U.S. must appear to outsiders. And this administration is still making military cuts! Ever since Obama took office the racial tension pot has been being stirred vigorously by the liberals especially by the likes of Sharpton and Jackson. Now this idiot Roof threw fuel on the fire. He is ignorant about that flag he was carrying in that photo. Admittedly there are a lot of “Roofs” out there and those are the ones that deface this historical flag and cause the ignorant to get their panties in a wad. Nothing is ever said in the liberal media about white people getting robbed and killed by other ethnicities except for a side note reported like an irrevelant story. I’m surprised the national media reported that story in San Francisco about the illegal alien killing that 32 year old white woman. Like you said, can’t fix stupid. But now it’s all about black lives matter (btw, the last I heard ALL lives matter) and gay pride and marriage. It’s sickening. We are imploding within and the terrorists and North Korea etc are licking their chops. I bet they’re wishing Obama could get elected again. We’re not going to be any better if Hillary or some other bleeding heart liberal nut case gets in office. America is doomed and it’s just a matter of time. Insanity/chaos/racism has been the norm since Obama was elected 7 years ago. We’re probably looking at another 4 years of this crap if another liberal gets elected……God help us.

      • moon

        Amen my friend, I’m kinda pulling for trump even though he is comical but he can’t be bought out cause can’t buy out a man who has more than enough money to last multiple life times and hope he does to some of those in congress like he has on his show fired fired fired lol!

      • Proud Southerner

        I couldn’t have said it any better than that! You are saying exactly what our so called “Conservative politicians” should be saying but are too afraid of losing votes. And to Trump’s credit, he does say what he believes and doesn’t retract. He would shake things up (on both sides) if he were to be elected, wouldn’t he?

      • moon

        Yes i truely believe he would and would make a huge change in our country compaired to others who dance around the issues instead of hitting the issues directly on the head, see people bicker and complain about the exact same issues because nobody wants to be seen as a racist in any political stance but that man didn’t make his money by being sensitive or being nice, he cuts straight down to business on issues! You know so many disrepect the soldiers of the confederate war because they believe it was completely about oppression of blacks when it truely wasn’t all about presevering slavery, if you tried to run from that war, they would shoot you on sight for treason and sedition, no one today can speak of that war because no one of today live through those times, and they keep saying it was so much about preserving slave but being as their own african ancestors enslaved their own people and one of the first owners in this country was of the same people no a soul can tell a black person any different they’d rather blame the wron that has been made within the past 60 years or so….like their people was the only culture to have to endure slavery, the native americans today are nearly extinct because of how they have been done….slapped on a piece of land by our government and told this is your reservation this is where you reside, like their a dying species! Do they jump up amd scream racism or act like their in a zoo over their civil rights….nope. People need to see this for what it truly is and burn a confederate flag in front of me and I’ll burn the black panther flag in front of them but what change is that going to make?! These fools that say we got the flag down, guess what you didnt vote to take it down so whats their to celebrate….what knowing that our rights can be removed piece by piece by our legislatures in our state capitol, boy aren’t the brilliant!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        prove he is not white. He isn’t denying it. Proud southerner is code for dumb ass hayseed racist. Try to keep up.

      • moon

        You are so fucking ignorant your head must be your ass cause all your talking is shit, its crystal clear how you implicating he is white without knowing if he truely is and to speak that he is racist without even knowing him, that is persecution and discrimination all in one, take your ani-white speeches of crap somewhere else, sounds like you might do well for rev. Jessie Jackson’s apprentice!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Smh

      • Proud Southerner

        Nothing burns me anymore. I’ve become numb to the socialist left and their incredibly ridiculous views on issues. Obama himself said that America has been arrogant way too long. I agree with that to a point. He wants to bring America down to other countries’ (including 3rd world countries) standards. For U.S. to not fold we need to rise back to power and gain respect again. Other powers do not take Obama and U.S. seriously anymore and laugh at us. Also, I’ve not slandered any race. Not one race of people are any superior or less superior than their fellow human being. Since Obama has been in office we’ve seen the regression of racism. It’s almost as if it was the 1960s all over again. I was in my teens then and witnessed that horrible time. We were fighting and dying in a useless war and there was civil unrest going on here in our own backyard. Much as it is now (2000s) with Iraq being that useless war. I don’t know how old you are or your ethnicity and it’s irrelevant anyway but as one GROWNUP to another (hopefully but I am wondering) I want nothing more than for peace to be amoungest us in America and fight the TRUE enemies that want to kill and eliminate us. I personally don’t HATE anyone or any race. I strongly dislike the actions of some people of ALL races. If you want to call me a racist douche, it’s your prerogative. Resorting to name calling shows signs of immaturity and tends to put doubts of validity in the minds of the recipient. I’ve NEVER felt the Confederate flag was a symbol of hate. I’ve been to 46 states in this great country of ours and have seen that flag proudly displayed in numerous parts of this country and MANY places in the north. Yes, there are some that adopt this flag that are truly haters and for that reason I’m shamed. But I believe the vast majority look at this flag as their roots/history. As for Mr. Roof, if he’d not of had that flag in that picture but an American flag instead, would this even be a discussion? Doubtful. He did a horrific thing. He will be punished justifiably if not in this life but most assuredly in the next. BTW, I’m NOT a Glen Beck fan.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        LOL….you are so delusional, there is no hope. BWAAHAAHAAA….. Seriously, stop wasting my time. LOL

      • Proud Southerner

        You’re an angry individual that can’t see because of the red anger of hate and racism. You’re a lost cause. I actually have pity for you.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        It’s ok, you are still pretty,

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        BTW, thanks for the pity I guess…??? The “red anger of hate and racism” you see, is your own. Read your own posts you fucking idiot. I’m not saying this out of anger, really, you are just a fucking idiot and someone needs to be up front with you so you can address it. There is no reasoning with someone who claims the president is trying to turn us into a 3rd world country…..what is your proof of this? Seriously, you are just babbling on and make no sense at all. Seriously, from one adult to another, grow the fuck up and get your head out of right wing nut jobs asses because you make no sense in the real world. BTW, the increase in racism you might be seeing is stemming from right wing nut jobs and those who enable them. Deal with it.

      • Proud Southerner

        You slander viciously with no shame. How can anyone take you seriously? Racism stems from all political parties and ethnicities. Not just the right wing. And you say the anger and hate and racism is my own? You are obviously so full of anger and hate it distorts you. I’ve told you I don’t hate anyone. I dislike the actions of some people. You keep saying grow up. I suppose you’re looking in the mirror when you say that. It’s easy to have self pity. Obama has said America needs to take it down a notch. Be like other countries. Don’t be so arrogant and dismissive. He since has attempted an apology for saying that. You have a short fuse with anyone that doesn’t agree with you. That’s OK but someday your hate and anger will catch up to you and absorb your being. And “It’s ok, you are still pretty”. What’s that all about?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I just can’t stand the self-righteous indignation of people who have been brainwashed into thinking everything liberals and democrats do is bad for the coutry. You are clearly one of those people. You are blinded by your contempt for liberalism even though you don’t know what it means and how it (and Democrats) have made your life better as an American on this very day. You attempt to dismiss and minimize the southern states role in slavery and believe only conservative news and views on this topic even when they are demonstrably false. It’s pretty easy to find out your views from your other posts on Disqus. And I don’t care if you take me seriously. I don’t care if you come here it all. I believe the only reason you come here in the first place is because you don’t like liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats or anyone who is not a republican or think like you. Nobody will be able to reason with a person like you who has been fed so full of Limbaugh and Fox, and you have believed it all. You are a statistic. You would be better informed if you didn’t watch or listen to anything at all rather than ingesting Fox, Rush and any right wing news. Statistics say so. But that is not the way of the world. You seek out confirmation of your false beliefs and find them on the right wing nut job sites. I get it. But like you said, you are numb, and the right wing has made you that because it seeks to keep you angry at everyone who is not like you. They want you numb and angry. And you are. Believe nothing but what they tell you and all will be fine. Don’t think for yourself and just watch NASCAR.

      • Proud Southerner

        Well if you truly did read my other posts you saw that I am against slavery. One person should never “own” another. I have never agreed with ALL the things the Confederacy was about. But I am from the south and I look at that flag with respect. It is what it is my fellow American. As long as we stay free and in a Democracy we can continue these discussions. And yes, I will watch NASCAR. BTW, I don’t care for Limbaugh either.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        BTW, he did NOT display the American flag, so now what is your point? Most people in the US DO think the rebel flag is a symbol of hate and have since it was designed. Now what? Sorry you didn’t get the memo on that flag and choose to overlook what it actually stands for. The true enemies to the US were the group of GOP politicians who sought to discredit every single thing President Obama did, which decided this the DAY HE TOOK OFFICE. Those GOP politicians and RWNJ/Fox noise have sought to bring him and his presidency down since DAY 1. They are all traitors to our country and so are you if you side with them.

      • Proud Southerner

        You CAN speak without cursing. Good. You’re calling me a traitor because I’m a right wing Conservative? I’m also a dumbass hayseed because I use the moniker Proud Southerner? Yes, I saw the post you sent to Moon. I laughed out loud at that one! I don’t agree with all of the GOP’s views as I do agree with some of the Democratic views. We are blessed with the right to vote on who we believe would be best to lead our country. I have voted Democratic in the past so I’m not necessarily a Republican. The older I get I tend to shift more to the right. America needs to unite. We have a real enemy to fight and it’s not against each other. I watch both Fox News and CNN. I see good and bad on both networks. America is run by the news media. And the more social media that gets filtered into our lives the easier it will be to control us. We’re headed for a dictatorship if we keep “progressing”. I certainly don’t want that. Do you?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        who says we are headed to a dicatatorship? Right wing media? Also, you “quote” progressing like it’s a bad thing. This indicates a certain level of brainwashing. America and the world has always “progressed” unless religion stifles the progression. Slowly but surely, it is constantly progressing.

        And I agree, America needs to unite, but not under republican / conservative terms. Unfortunately, that is always what conservatives demand, but those days are over. When President Obama won and was reelected, the last thing any GOP wanted was to unite the country. There was a great opportunity in 2009 and conservatives blew it and sought to absolutely rip our country apart because they lost. Talks of secession from Rick Perry and friends….remember that? Republicans consistently show an unwillingness to compromise, thus this country will not unite until things dramatically change.

        For future reference, “proud southerner” indicates proud racist under current context. Take it for what it’s worth. Maybe you don’t “think” it does, just like you don’t “think” the rebel flag represents hatred and bigotry. At times like this when you proclaim your “pride” in the south directly after a racist murdered 9 black people at a bible study while honoring the rebel treason flag, you look racist. Just an FYI, but you probably are aware of this, aren’t you…… REALLY poor timing to name yourself that unless you are making a statement about race, which would make you a dumbass, racist, hayseed in my book. Are we clear?

        And BTW, there is no “good” on Fox. It is a conservative propaganda campaign channel. Pure and simple and there is no disputing this. It is not news. Understand that clearly. Everyone in the world knows it other than American conservatives.

      • Proud Southerner

        OMG! You are so NARROW MINDED! Everything the liberals say is gospel? You have got to be kidding me. There is no truth in conservatism at all? Are you saying that everything that liberals and Democrats do is the correct thing and everything that conservatives and Republicans do is the wrong thing? Aren’t you supposed to be free and open minded? That idiot Roof had a Confederate flag! He shamed that flag! I am one of the rare ones that do not see that flag as a symbol of hate. If that flag was only a symbol of hate then the American flag is also a symbol of hate.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I am most assuradly not open minded when dealing with closed minded people, which is generally the type of conservative that comes around here. Being open minded doesn’t preclude me from being combative with people who espouse racist views and condone racist symbols. And no, not everything either party says is gospel. I never said or implied that. I said Fox is pure propaganda, and that is the truth. I said conservatives and the GOP are unwilling to compromise, and that is the truth. Not once did I say that everything liberals say is gospel. It is not.

        And trying to place blame on the American flag is silly. I’ve gone round and round with others here trying to play the false equivalency card. Stay off of the right wing sites for a while and you may understand.

      • Proud Southerner

        I never put blame on the American flag. I was comparing it to the Confederate flag and saying yes there’s hate under each flag but that the Confederate flag alone as with the American flag alone neither are just a symbol of hate. Liberals and MANY ass kissing Conservatives see that flag as a symbol of hate and only hate. CNN doesn’t throw out propaganda? The media runs this country.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Also, stop upvoting yourself….that is just lame…I literally spit out my water when I noticed you doing that….. LOL…..

      • Proud Southerner

        My wife did that lol. I do appreciate you not cursing. She was nagging me to tell you to please stop. Well we’ll just agree to disagree.

      • moon

        You call GOP traitors rflmao toooo funnnny, obama is in fact the biggest traitor of the country I have seen, he let our people die in bengazi, no air support nothing, he bargin with terrorist to release well known terrorist in return of a deserter who left his post, last i recall when did president’s of this country make deals with terrorist, he should be tried for treason just for that alone, you must be in lah lah land cause to believe he is doing our country good your blinder than a bat!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        There is Loon…. Still drinking the kool aid I see. Info Wars misses you

      • moon

        Wow such a dumbass, you really are in your own little world!!! Kool aide hahahaha i drink the big boy stuff unlike you i can buy Tennessee whiskey

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        it sounds like you’ve been drinking a lot of your tennessee whiskey lately, which is why you are babbling so much. Kool-Aid is a reference you wouldn’t get because of your youth. I expect no less from a hayseed like you though. Drink your whiskey kid and feel good. Seriously, it’s been a while but I do remember my first beer and it seems like you just had yours. Welcome to adulthood, now start acting like one. You are a total fucking POS racist puke though, so justw don’t go killing anyone while you are drunk driving your broken down pickup.

      • moon

        Pick up really what a idiot you are kool aide ain’t even close to having anything to do with youth you smug jackass, it your slang way of hurrling childish insults which isn’t even funny just damn stupid and i know who my father is you probably wonder which of six is yours of that of course big bubba gump isn’t already your daddy, and to tell an adult to start acting like one well you need to take your own advice seeing how all you try to do is be little somebody in every conversation, can’t even make a practical point at all only do your best to insult others like any would care, who knows why you hate whites so much, maybe nailed your mother or sister, who knows. Though you may want to get a grip on reality cause your mouth obviously over exceeds your stupidty!!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        What are you talking about…LOL…who said I don’t like white people? I don’t like YOU or anyone like you. I don’t care for racist POS’s like you. Period. Believe it or not son, you don’t represent white people, as much as you would like to think you do…LOL… Or maybe you have some white Jesus complex or something? Are you the American Jesus now? A Jesus who drinks a lot, is racist, hates everyone except himself….and people generally despise him? You speak for every white person huh? LOL

      • moon

        Pos racist real muture boy!!Tell me when ya finally hit your growth spurt in puberty and we’ll have an adult conversation

      • moon

        Rflmao sooo steamed up you mixing politics with religion bwahahaha

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        This one still cracks me up….bragging that you can buy Tennessee whiskey….I literally spit out my water after reading this again. Thanks for the laugh kid.

      • moon

        And i care why again???

      • moon

        Seems as though you and alot of others need to call that help line, maybe do a colledge course majoring in HISTORY because the u.s.a flag was around long before the civil war even begun and which flag you think was flying high when slavery began? And blacks have been on SOCIAL MEDIA showing their respect for all their rights by stomping on it, when people holler at them certain others say ohhh but its their civil right to disgrace that flag while people have fought and died for that flag same as people have died for the confederate flag and yet all this about it meaning a symbol of racism is what most would say it’s nit picking, like i said he could have been wearing the colors of the rainbow and out of all the disturbing things that boy was showing in his photos the one main thing was complained about was the confederate flag, its okay though it’s going to be flying in yards and flown while people are driving more now than ever because ignorance of those who portrayed it to be something it truely isn’t

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Obviously, you didn’t get any of your information forming this opinion of yours from “College” history classes. There is no point attempting to reason with someone who forms opinions based on reading articles on the internet from right wing nut jobs. I get it though, you are mad and are looking for a reason to justify your anger. You are on your way to being the next mass shooter. Congrats

      • moon

        No I’m just not someone who cares to be dictated when that flag is on a monument, by all right that flag goes in a museum than so should the martin luther king memorial along with malcom x memorials to and want the N.A.A.C.P along with black panthers shut down because thats racist organizations they don’t support any other color or creed but black

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        sure, if your feelings get hurt, everyone needs to feel the same way. Really? MLK?? Bwaaahaaahaa….go away whiner. Take your ball and go home.

      • Dana Davis

        I’ve been trying to order one made in the USA of American cotton; good luck with that. They’re back-ordered forever.

    • Patrica Ferguson

      Racism occurs among all of the races here in this country. It is a bigger conversation than just white on black and it will take years to sort it out. Learning to respect that other cultures are different than ours, whatever that may be, is the way to a solution and solutions are what we want not condemnations. As for the flag…..for gods sake it belongs in a museum because it is a part of history, not the present. If you want to drape it over your truck be my guest but if you do remember you are just broadcasting that you are narrow-minded and can’t move forward….and ignorant.

      • moon

        To fly it on your truck,car,home even wear the clothes isn’t being narrow minded that’s another form of stereo typing, people have the right to express them selves as you and i do, so if they choose to fly that flag remember there are those who respect the vetrans of that war as well as respect the vetrans today!

      • moon

        You can name those people ignorant and NARROW MINDED, but to criticize others for a battle flag they choose to fly, would be just as ignorant a that who choses to speak of ignorance.Let someone scream racist, or ignorant at you for something you stand up for and see how quickly you are to defend it!!

      • Patrica Ferguson

        I kinda look at it this way, I don’t care if other cultures fly their flags so long as the US flag flies highest. I don’t care what religion a person adheres too either but keep it out of govt. Someone wrote an article the other day on this flag stuff and it made total sense to me. “It’s how they were raised.” We are all raised different and have different values. In my world I am for always moving forward to make the world a better place. What happened in the past is the past, something to respect but not something to dwell on. I don’t believe the past was better, it wasn’t. We are all ignorant at some level of existence. No one knows everything. Sometimes we have to be pulled kicking and screaming into the present and the future, change is hard. … Actually I have been accused of being racist and ignorant so I do know how it feels and in the moment I defended it BUT I also took the time to think about why I was called that and found they were right and I worked it through and changed. To me it is just commonsense to question my actions or beliefs because the results of that inner reflection always leads me to being a better person. I don’t want to be stuck in the past while the world passes me by. Some do….it is their choice….but in this country today change is happening, moving forward seeking equality, putting the past in the past, those who don’t move forward will be left behind mired in the shadows. Time inches forward not backwards.

      • moon

        What really eats at me openly and honestly is how so many are trying to ban it completely, i also read an article on a woman who purchased from walmart her nephews high school class ring weeks before the ceo decided to pull the items from the store, they called her to come and pick the ring up. When she got there they had on the do not sell and denied giving her what she had been anxiously waiting to get to give her nephew, only gave her the suppliers number and a refund….and it was a walmart in Arkansa…..that is what turns my stomach, to take this so far beyond out of topic which was aimed towards taking it from s.c. state grounds to trying to do away with around the u.s. from mainstream retailers. Ever thougt that it kinda feels like the public is being dictated on what he or she consumer is being giving the option to buy!! That to me is within all sense wrong for any major retailer to do is to play bias in a time like that especially

      • Patrica Ferguson

        I see it as those companies are making a public statement about how they feel about the subject….I guess they have a right to do that. The tension has been building for mos so I am not surprised by all this

      • moon

        Whats really funny you can have a isiss flag cake made at Walmart but yet they detest to make a confederate flag cake, what a great public statement they make

      • moon

        It maybe walmarts right to take it off the shelves i can understand it partially but they should still fullfill those orders out of respect to a paying customer

      • Patrica Ferguson

        To be honest we lost the war, I am surprised its seen anywhere. I just don’t get why people have such a hard time letting it go. Knowing what its been used for be it legit or not I can’t respect it. People don’t need a flag to respect their dead, I mean the north doesn’t do that. In any other country the losers would not be able to fly their flag anywhere. The german flag may have meant wonderful things to the germans but to the millions that died it was a horrible reminder. If so many people find it to be representative of oppression why push the issue, its only polite……then again that is just my personal opinion. 🙂

      • moon

        Yeah of course we lost the war, and same can be said for the dead vetrans from wars of today and this isn’t another country as it isn’t the north either, those who chose to use that flag for their hate was their choice weather it been that flag or another’s its still that choice of others, i mean the dutch started slave trade bet you go tell the dutch their flag offends you, and see how they act upon you, history its self has all types of dark and gray areas but over a battle flag, out of everything going on in todays world theres more to detest than a battle flag, and it is a history and heritage, my fourth great grandfather fought in that war, so i support it and have respect for it, and my biggest point of all is people honestly thinks that taking a flag down is making some difference in racisim, trust me i went to a majority black school and if you think for a second you’ll be excepted or welcomed hate to inform you but your living in a dream world anyone believing this is a step foward….it really isn’t

      • Proud Southerner

        Very well said! We most certainly do have much worse things to deal with than to make such a fuss over a historical flag. But this is America and people are becoming more sensitive to things and we must be politically correct and all that non sense. It use to amaze me but now I’m just disgusted. Stay strong my friend.

      • moon

        You to my friend and i couldn’t agree more, politicians would kill their own mother for a vote and thats what this truely boils down to!!

      • moon

        You can tell me about speaking of living in the past but in the same sense it’s repeating it’s self in alot of sense, and by all means to depict a person as racist for standing up for something they believe in or cherish without knowing for a true fact that person is would you not say that is discrimination and to persecute another for their ways???!!!

      • moon

        You see even if one side of that was trying to find a common ground the other side doesn’t care for common ground, it’s just want want want want want, one proffesor on meet the press told a woman after she tried saying my ancestor fought in that war and the man told her bludgently i do not care….to me thats saying i do not acknowledge your ancestors and history for that flag but you will respect mine…. how is most suppose to feel from that….its like spitting in anothers face and telling them to take it because you have no true voice in the matter

  • moon

    You can bash the southern people who support the confederate flag all you want and bag the confederate flag all you want, but between the media and all the racial crap that’s been boasted so much on t.v. for The police racial profilings to anarchy in the streets to N.A.A.C.P, Al Sharpton, Rev. Jessie jackson, even down to the Black Panthers which are known for their racial hate towards white people, and every person i have heard discussion on this topic are like MEAT PUPPETS, with today’s society’s hand up one another’s @$$ hollering about how we need to stand against this united we stand together ,dived we fall crap well by trying to take someone’s rights away makes people divided, this is no different than back in the 60’s with civil rights movement only today the role is being reversed

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      what? Are you ok? You might want to call a help line.

  • Dana Davis

    I don’t understand why the South should be ashamed of its heritage. The pre-industrial society was a cotton-centric economy, North and South. In fact, clothing the rising population was a global endeavor – cotton accounted for some 90% of all French imports, 65% percent of all German imports, etc. And where is cotton today? It’s in Africa. And, you know, you can trod on history and heritage all you want – you can paint it any way you like – but you can’t command white people to love black people any more than you can command the Chinese to love the Koreans. Or even us. I support the Southern Reb-Necks, and Southern pride, because I absolutely detest your level of juvenile idiocy.

    • moon

      You know this has actually brought a stronger union between the southerners and has set a clear divided line, don’t think is the unity anyone had expected!

      • Dana Davis

        I agree. In my opinion it has created a clear division. And aided in redefining the Rebel Flag, long popular with bikers, btw, North and South. Precisely because they view it symbolically as the antithesis of oppression and enslavement. But you know, a lot of folks are just plain ignorant; you can’t change stupid.

      • moon

        I completely agree people are ooozing out with ignorance over it more and more each day and i think people who are being beating up for flying need some aid for retaliation, i seen a video posted of thirty or so blacks beating up one guy and taking his flag i mean they came from all directions and not one person aided this man for any help from this group punching, kicking and one even beating him with a stick i mean really wtf in broad day light and nobody in near by traffic assist this man