Confrontation Between Texas Police Officer and Three African-American Teens is Something Everyone Needs to See

For months the topic of police shootings and violence (specifically involving African-American males) has dominated the headlines. For most of that time I’ve tried to bring rational discourse to this debate, though I quickly realized that most people didn’t want an actual “debate” – they just wanted someone to tell them what they wanted to hear.


But a situation here in Texas, just a few miles from where I live, might be the best story to cover all aspects of this debate that I’ve seen anywhere.

On Saturday in Duncanville, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, there was a 911 call made by an African-American woman emphatically telling the operator that there were three young boys, one in a grey hoodie, walking around “with a big old ass gun showing it!”

Then we see the dashcam video showing Duncanville Officer Ben Luna approaching the three suspects. As he pulled up behind them, they look at the car – and one reaches toward his waistband.

As Luna exits his vehicle he orders the three young men to put their hands up and get on the ground – except they don’t listen. While one individual does put his hands up, he continues to walk toward the officer instead of simply complying with commands to get on the ground while the other two simply sat on the curb.

“They’re fixing to either pull the gun out or they don’t really care what – what I’m saying,” Luna said of his thoughts as all of this transpired. 

So, what we have here is an officer approaching three suspects while responding to a fairly alarmed woman calling 911 reporting three young males are flashing a big gun, with two barely complying (one even slightly turned then reached into his pockets) and the third (granted with his hands up) walking toward the officer as he was being instructed sternly to get on the ground.

And as Luna said, at the time he wasn’t sure if the gentleman walking toward him was “just trying to distract me looking at him, and these two could pull out a weapon. I’m not for sure.”

But ultimately, what the three men had was a BB gun that was almost an exact replica of a Beretta 92F.


Tell me if you think you could tell the difference between these two Berettas from a distance:

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By the way, the top one is the BB gun. Before moving on, I think it’s time we have a real debate in this country about these BB guns being made to look like damn near exact replicas of real guns. That’s just idiotic.

This could have turned out so much worse. And had Officer Luna shot one of these young men, there’s no doubt that the headlines would have been, “Another Unarmed Black Teenager Wearing a Hoodie Killed by Police in Texas.”

Thankfully that didn’t happen.

But this whole situation covers so many facets of this entire debate that I really do hope this article gets seen by a lot of people.

First, it gives commentary from the officer into what he was thinking driving up on these three suspects. Then it shows these three males, who did have a very realistic replica BB gun, not listening to the officer’s commands and just how little time the officer has to react in these situations if the one individual who walked toward him had kept coming forward.

And all of it happened in a matter of just a few seconds.

But it also shows how an officer can approach this kind of situation and not “shoot first, and ask questions later.” That’s an attitude that, had the officer who shot Tamir Rice used, would have saved the 12-year-old’s life.

Then again, in the situation here in Texas, Luna could have just as easily been shot himself had these three males actually had a real gun. It’s always easy in hindsight to assess what should or shouldn’t have happened, but in real time it’s not nearly that simple, as this video shows.

People just need listen and do what cops tell them to do. If the officer is in the wrong, then let them be in the wrong and sort it out later. Police officers don’t know intent going into these kinds of situations. While in hindsight we know that these three young men weren’t doing anything wrong (though it can be seen as questionable why they would stroll around flashing a realistic looking BB gun), Officer Luna had no way of knowing that as he approached them. And it’s a very real possibility that the individual who decided to walk toward the officer was no more than two or three steps away from being shot. Even the two who just decided to sit down and start reaching around in their pockets could have easily been victims as well.

When people are combative with police officers, don’t comply with their orders or flat-out resist arrest – nothing good can come from that. Unlawful arrests by bad police officers can be dealt with later down the road; being killed because you resisted arrest or ignored an officer’s orders to get on the ground cannot.

But I would like to commend Officer Luna for setting an example as an officer who proved that these kinds of situations can be defused – though we need to remember that not every single situation is exactly the same. Thankfully this entire ordeal turned out positive for everyone involved.

Watch the segment below via Fox 4 News Dallas-Fort Worth:




Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • GenerallyConfused

    Yes, situations can be diffused, and more can be diffused.. but I don’t think every police department in the country teaches the same diffusion tactics.. which may be part of the problem.

    And no, BB guns shouldn’t look as realistic as possible, nor should water guns. Easy way for some idiot to scare someone who doesn’t know guns well and possibly get shot/killed in the process.

  • markbuehner

    There is certainly room for police to improve their tactics. But this refusal to cooperate with police is something that is growing in the AA communities. They may see it as a form of protest, but how can the message get across that it is a horribly dangerous form of protest that is demonstrably making things worse? I’d argue there is also a large element of bravado to the whole thing, which is equally if not more difficult to combat.

    • lm1112

      Refusal to cooperate? I saw nothing intimidating or threatening about these young boys actions. Probably because the last thing they appear to be is scary… the young man moving towards the officer did so in a non-threatening manner. The other two sat on the curb (got on the ground) in compliance. At this point, society will find anything short of a “simon says” routine as intimidating and lack of compliance. Clearly these boys had no intent to harm or be defiant. CLEARLY! They are human beings… not dogs. They are TEENAGED BOYS! Sorry but, this whole article (failure to comply rhetoric) does nothing more than perpetuate the inherent fear and holier than thou attitude that gets these young boys shot and killed in the first place.

      • markbuehner

        Whatever friend. If a cop says to put your hands on your head, you shouldnt put them in your pockets.

      • Chris Steward

        Did you miss the part when the news anchor said there was nothing but an ipod in his pocket. Its probably safe to assume that the ipod was pumping loud music in his ears which means he didn’t hear the officers commands? He was probably turning his music off.

      • markbuehner

        Well I guess if you make a bunch of unfounded assumptions you can believe whatever you want. You know what- the kid had an IPod, so he listened to music too loud, so he was probably, nay almost certainly, stone deaf. He didnt even hear the officers commands. See how fun this can be? And what about the two other kids btw?

      • markbuehner

        You can scream CLEARLY! as many times as you want, but the unless we are watching a different video, 2 out of 3 of those boys didnt put their hands up when a cop SCREAMED at them to do so… knowing full well that one of them had been brandishing a replica gun. No they arent dogs, they are stupid kids (which all kids are) who people like you are doing a terrible disservice to by not holding them accountable for stupid actions and teaching them better. If they read your comment they would go back out tomorrow and do the same thing and put themselves in danger again. You claim they arent dogs but you treat them as less than human, as though they have no ability to make good decisions.

      • lm1112

        So “clearly” you missed the point. Context is everything. The Context of the video did not represent a group of teenagers trying to threaten or intimidate the officer. Are you saying he would have been justified in pulling the trigger because they didn’t “put their hands up” in the simon says manner that seems to be the only way compliance can be rendered? That’s the problem with this country and the inherent bias and assumptions that get prople killed. If ANYONE, is afraid for their lives based on this scenario, where it is obviously apparent that these boys had no ill imtentions, and if anyone deems this situation a justifiable corcumstance to pull the trigger, then such people are punk asses and have no business obtaining guns and badges. They treat the gentleman who was moving towards the officer as if that alone was aggressive. His hands were up and he was trying to explain himself. Would the officer have been justified on that alone? If you say “yes” I would invite you to a) rethink your own value of human life, and b) ask yourself if your answer would be the same if this was your teenaged son. There is a huge difference between obeying doggy commands, and acting in a manner to not put someone in REASONABLE fear of his life, warranting that person to shoot you. Being a punk doesn’t justify pulling a trigger. Not pulling the trigger when your fear is unreasonable doesn’t make you a hero.

      • markbuehner

        You’re creating a straw man. I never said he’d be justified. I said they put themselves in a position where accidents and bad decisions are FAR more likely to happen. And you lend zero credence to the idea that they might have behaved differently, the same way you would not fault a dog for biting a mailman in his yard. To you, they behaved how they were going to behave and its the police officers duty to somehow instantly determine their motives when they werent responding to their orders and working under the information that they were armed. Figure out all that in 2 seconds with your life, and innocent lives potentially on the line. The cop did the right thing and made good decisions, but it was those boys that created that situation that demanded the cop act perfectly on limited information and practically no time to process it. DO WHAT A COP TELLS YOU. That should be the lesson to prevent situations like this from even arising.

      • lm1112

        Treating them as less than humans? Well that was a stretch if I’ve ever seen one! Humans are fallable beings… Furthermore I never implied that these young men were incapable of making “good” decisions. I always find it hilarious that within discussions, people take your own assertions and try to use them against you with substantively lacking straw man arguments.

      • markbuehner

        You utterly dismiss the possibility that the boys could have put their hands up when ordered to do so. In fact you just ignored it again. To me, it seems like your denying their autonomy of action. You or I would certainly have immediately complied with a policemans commands in that situation- but you cant expect those boys to. Call it what you will.

  • Eg Kbbs

    A couple of other items on both sides of the argument (that there are so many factors that one could weigh against each other makes this a great case study for actual discussion – if only the current political environment allowed discussion):

    The caller’s accent sounded to me to be very probably african-american.

    The kid walking toward the officer seemed to have the hubris to think that he was going to settle the situation as a misunderstanding (as the gun was, in his words, “a fake” – eve though it was a BB-gun and therefore technically not a fake).

    Definitely agree that walking to the officer, with gun drawn and pointing at him, and officer yelling for him to get on the ground, was asking to be shot. Officer had more than enough reason to be on high alert. A shooting would likely have been justified. I commend the officer who, at some risk of his own life and safety, continued to play the broken record for the guy to get on the ground.

    But above all, remember the questions during “open carry Texas” when folks questioned if that was a white thing and what would happen if a bunch of blacks were open carrying ? Think we have our answer.

    • Bah

      Actually you don’t have your answer, blacks have been open carrying in Dallas.

  • Anastasia Yeager

    And as long as you allow white people to walk around fully armed in every public square without asking THEM to put their hands up or lie down in the ground, then likewise you do the same for black people walking around fully armed. Otherwise we are back to square one with two different gun laws. One for blacks and one for whites and Luna acted with prejudice in this situation since the young men were black. Texas allows open carry. Why did he even approach them with any type of contempt?. Why didn’t 911 operator just tell the caller. “Its Texas and both black and white people are allowed to carry guns”? The answer is because the law doesn’t see both races equally regardless of the BS outlets like yours try to sell. Nice try but even your prejudices are showing. And I’m all for open carry as long as it applies to everyone or it applies to no one including my very white female skin.

    • drewish

      Only open carry for long guns. Handguns require a CHL. That said I doubt three white kids would have gotten the same treatment.

    • Bah

      Oh geez I decided to visit this site again, and I find another dull tool. I actually appreciate views differing from my own but sometimes I shake my head in disbelief. Lady I am going to provide you with a video showing an old white man being threatened. It took about two seconds to find.

      watch?v=Tq8Ie2C9Uaw

      I will also let you know this exact thing happened to one of my best friends inside of a QT because he reached to a top shelf causing a small part of his concealed weapon to show. Cops pulled the same routine on him, regardless of the fact that he is white.

      • vjerickson

        If you really appreciated views differing from your own, you wouldn’t be so quick to dispel an argument about systematic behavior with an anecdote or two. The reason you sit in disbelief is because you aren’t thinking about this logically. Of course you found that video. You can probably find that video in every configuration of race and gender that you can conceive of.

        You’re crafting your opinion on this through a very narrow lens of your own confirmation bias. Which makes you human, of course, but you’re embarrassing yourself by opening up with some sort of unfounded assertion that you welcome disparate views. You don’t.

      • Bah

        Systematic behavior, proof? The only justified “systematic behavior” I have found were in the courts, that’s it. I considered the pro publica study when it was first released, but after finding that it was flawed I do not believe it holds much water.

        Your first sentence states that you must have some knowledge about myself outside of disqus. You say im quick to dispel and argument about systematic behavior with a few anecdotes, care to elaborate?

      • vjerickson

        What’s to elaborate? It’s not like you’ve given any evidence to the contrary.

      • Bah

        You made the assertion that cops tend to treat young black males differently than young white males, the ball is in your court. Provide substantial evidence, and I will consider it.

      • vjerickson

        Is this what you think is happening here? You think we’re having a debate about the issue? You have provided ample evidence that you don’t even understand the debate, much less are able to participate in it. The police chief issued a statement… At least I got a good chuckle out of that. How simple the world must be in your head. I can’t say I don’t envy you a bit for that.

    • John Michael Hutton

      I agree as long as I don’t have to be around you lunatics that think it is necessary to walk around carrying a gun. What the hell do you think this is, the old Wild Wild West? We have police, we have laws, enforce the laws and get the guns out of morons hands. And you are all morons until you prove that you are not because you can’t tell a moron from someone who isn’t. But it’s much safer if none have a gun in the first place.

      • Bah

        Likewise, law.harvard.
        edu/…/Vol30_No2_
        KatesMauseronline.pdf

    • Brent Curry

      (>w<) *facepalm*… I'm sorry mam, your a special kinda of stupid…. or just a person who likes to troll. Either way, my original statement still applies….

    • Gidget Hrobowski

      Thx you for stating and admitting the truth…. It’s greatly appreciated especially since the person that wrote this piece just does not seem to get it. I was prepared to read comments with all types of negativity. justification and rationalization for the officer and this author’s ignorant point if views, but yours was the first comment I read, it was refreshing and I will not read anybody other comment that start and ends in bullshit… Again, thx you for understanding….

    • Toro

      You make no sense….open carry means open carry. Not concealed in your waistband! You’re an idiot, making it a race issue, put down the koolaid.

    • Ltpar

      Twits lke yourself are why most Police Officers are opposed to the “Open Carry” prosess. I hate to pop your misinformed bubble, but in a crisis situation the Officer merely sees the suspect and not the color of his/her skin. Everything else is by training and instinct. Had the kid with the gun made a sudden move, he would be in the morgue today.

    • Hefailed

      Right. From now on, all 911 calls in Texas regarding firearms should be answered with, “Its Texas and both black and white people are allowed to carry guns.”

      You did read the part where it was an African-American woman who made the 911 call, right? She apparently did not care what color the boys were – she just saw something she didn’t think was right and called the police. Prejudice?

      Why did Officer Luna approached them with such contempt? Contempt?? He approached them with extreme caution and would have done the same had they been Hispanic, Asian or White. How do I know? I don’t, but you’re so quick to say he acted with prejudice without knowing him, so I guess I can make assumptions, too.

  • PitoDaddy

    I have always told my two African American sons to do EXACTLY what a police tells them to do–no matter how rudely they may feel that the officer is talking to them. Because the bottom line is this: the officer has a gun and you don’t. Do what the officer tells you to do and come home ALIVE to talk about it. When I saw that kid walking toward the officer who had his gun drawn and aimed at him, and the others moving around on the ground and reaching into their pockets, I was thinking that these kid had a death wish. That was ‘Suicide by Cop’ behavior. The teen who was continuing to walk toward the officer who was shouting at him to get down with his gun pointed at him looks old enough to know better than that. Wow! Jesus was watching over those guys on that day. I hope that they’re dropped to their knees to thank him when they got home. That was insanity. I’m definitely going to show this video to my son and use it as a training video of what NOT to do when approached by an officer of the law.

    • xexitt

      You may as well kill your two kids and yourself ….cowards live like that. ..
      i recently encountered the police and the heavy hands of the law. …i survived being beat by over 9 so called sheriff’s in Lake County Indiana at the casino boat. ..they also beat me up at the jail. …they broke my wrist my finger and ruptured blood vessels in my eye. …..i broke no real law. ..

      • PitoDaddy

        My advice to my sons is called ‘keeping it real.’ I don’t know what happened in your situations, but my sons have had some minor encounters with the police and they followed the officer’s instructions, the situation was defused, and they came home LIVE to tell me about it. If you’re suggesting that they resist and become antagonistic, my suggestion to you is YOU go for it when YOU’RE in that situation. That’s your prerogative. I’m not going to tell my sons to come off like a badass just to make a point to show the officer that they’re not afraid. You said that you got beat up for breaking “no real law.” Well, if you got beat up for breaking no real law, I wonder what would have happened to you had to tried to fight back. If you think that my giving my sons advice intended to keep them alive makes me a coward, in your mind, then so be it. I’m not here to impress you or anyone else.

      • thesecondarything

        Lol, Pito. I was going to say that there’s going to be some asshole responding to your logical advice to your kids. And here the jerkoff thinks he should be awarded a medal for getting his ass whooped by the cops.

        I’ve had my ass beat by the cops zero times. That actually makes me better than you.

      • xexitt

        You think you are. .your a sheep….they will herd you with the rest. …

      • Ltpar

        Quit whining and get in line to get sheared.

      • Ltpar

        Humm, wonder if you might have had a bit of an attitute problem which got you extra attention from the Officers. Remember, Officers get paid to resolve problems, keep the peace and not put up with crap from hostile people.

  • Brian Opalewski

    The best reporting I have seen. I have 8 years of self-defense training with firearms as well as numerous self-defense law classes. Action ALWAYS beats reaction. Thank you for your well-reasoned and objective analysis.

  • Donald Duncan

    Every thing that was said in criticism of the actions of these youths are certainly appropriate. No matter what there perceived logic or rationale, they acted inappropriately and strikingly dangerously. But having said that, I continued to be troubled by the debate in this country around this issue. I feel as if this article implies that “everyone needs to see this” so that they know or can understand the difficulties cops face in such situations and or that they are sometimes justified or in a no win situation which such incidents occur. If my perception is correct and this is the inference of this article, I dare say again from my perspective it misses the point of the debate from my perspective as a law abiding tax paying well-adjusted African American. From my perspective there is no doubt police officers no matter their color face a difficult stressful dangerous job everyday. There is also no doubt in my mind that there are many felons, law-breakers and generally anti-social dangerous young and old persons they must confront. Nevertheless cops need to be held to account for their actions just as any other element of our society. The same way we expect these youngsters to conform to the law those charged with enforcing those laws must be held to account as well. We need to support our police officers when they demonstrate good policing, but we also need to have police officers held account for bad policing. I live in New York City, I do not like Al Sharpton, but in this instance I believe he is correct. Moreover, I would like to see just once….the highly publicized police union and fraternal organizations. Just once call a rogue cop out. Only the blind or unwilling do not see the glaring inequities present in the criminal justice system. And I for one am ready for a change.

    • Toro

      How many times can you say perspective in one sentence? It’s “held accountable” not “to account.” Geeeeez!

      • BarneyQ

        Thank you Toro, we couldn’t have made it through the day without some S-hole like you acting like the spelling police. …

    • Clara DeLay

      I hate that it’s necessary to qualify our ethnicity with validating adjectives like, “law abiding, tax paying, well-adjusted…”. “Educated,” articulate,” the list goes on. Meanwhile, those characteristics are automatically ascribed to everyone else… Yet, “the blind or unwilling do not see the glaring inequities in the criminal justice system.” SIGH…

    • Ltpar

      Your perspective is very reasonable sir and I agree with most of it. Yes, unfortunately there are a few rogue and/or ill trained Police Officers in departments around the country. It is critical that Police Administrators weed out Officers who do not have a mental or judemental capacity to perform as did the Officer in this video. Sadly, all too often Administrators operate under a CYA philosophy and are more worried about themselves than fixing the deficiencies in their departments. Accountability, starts at the top of the food chain.

  • rejectrepublicanlies

    It’s time to get rid of realistic looking fake guns. I wouldn’t have been able to spot the difference. White kids also walk around with realistic look guns, but they may be perceived as not as threatening.

    • Ruth Hill

      I agree. They’re also making real guns for children that look like toys. That needs to stop also.

  • chrisgogh

    Officer Ben Luna, working all by himself, kept his cool in a scary situation involving three uncooperative teenagers who are almost adults.

    Officers Frank Garmback and Timothy Loehmann killed a child who was all by himself and wasn’t given a chance to follow any orders.

    Luna has the training and/or intelligence to know that if you give yourself a little extra distance, this will also buy you a little extra time.

    I don’t know what Garmback was thinking by pulling up right next to Tamir, and I don’t know what Loehmann was thinking when he got out of the car so quickly. It was a recipe for disaster, no matter how you look at it.

    Cops like Garmback and Loehmann should try to follow Officer Luna’s example.

  • pat_austin

    These kids are idiots. Absolute idiots. Why don’t they know at that age to do exactly what the officer says? Why don’t they know (especially after all the outrage on the news lately) to not dig into your pocket when you are being questioned by police? Why is one walking towards the officer after the officer says “get on the ground”? Thankfully, the officer didn’t shoot.

    • adcbeast

      @pat_austin:disqus .. You can’t have a BB gun anymore? a 12 year old needs to worry about police shooting him because he has a BB gun?

      This may blow your mind but bad in the 50s millions of kids had BB guns .. police were not shooting little white kids with BB guns then ..

      What changed? Police training .. they are trained to escalate all situations into a life or death situation .. that is the problem now

      • thesecondarything

        No, I don’t think you can carry BB guns around, bro.

        Most states require an adult to be with any minor carrying an air gun. You’re also not allowed to discharge the weapon near public areas like streets and shit.

        So yeah, the cop was right to stop these guys because, well, they were probably breaking the law.

  • adcbeast

    This video shows how police officers across the country are TAUGHT to escalate any situation into a life and death situation ..

    These kids had not committed a crime .. and this nonsense of the police saving the world before a crime happens is what causes most of these problems.

    Also, the police officer was the only one in potential danger once he stopped .. he put himself in danger .. ALONE .. he could have driven away and been safe ..

    so if the police officer is the only one in danger in a situation then the police need to be taught to deescalate a situation .. whether that means keeping a distance and watch people or talking from a distance .. and most important keeping their gun in the their holster and controlling their emotions .. just because someone does not follow directions is not a reason to pull your gun ..

    So to wrap up .. poor police training is causing these dangerous situations .. sure there are real criminals .. but too many situations could have been resolved without super high stress confrontations which cause both officers and people to make bad decisions

    • Ltpar

      It is clear that you don’t know “jack shit” about human nature, what the role of a Police Officer in our society is, or what training is provided to equip Officers to function under high stress situations that you will never encounter?

      First, Officers are trained from day one on the job to de-escelate situations and use a minimum degree of force in conflict resolution. That is one of the things the Officer did successfully in this situation. Even though the suspects were not fully complying, the Officer had the training and restraint not to use deadly force.

      Whe he/she pins on the badge, an Officer accepts the fact that in some situations their life might be in danger. Their role in society is to run toward danger so that you the citizen can run away from it. No hesitation, no lengthy critical thinking process, just pure and simple find the problem and respond to it by training and instinct.

      When you are dealing with an armed suspect and the initial reports in this case were that, the Officer had better have their weapon out and ready. As I stated previously, Officers are trained to respond by instinct and be 100% sure, had the kid with the gun made a sudden move or pointed it at the Officer, deadly force would have been used. Until you have been in such a situation and had to respond accordingly, you are not qualified to comment.

      Lastly, Police Training is better, more realistic and more intense than it has ever been in the history of law enforcement. Officers go through “shoot, don’t shoot” scenarios over and over again on a regular basis. They undergo less than lethal defensive tactics training regularly and high speed driving is another regular training task. Contrary to your uninformed opinion, most Police Officers function extremely well under high levels of stress and that is exactly what we train them to do.

  • regressive white trash reli

    “in a related story………………..FOX “news” claims to have proof that OBAMA IS COMING FOR (Y)OUR bb GUNS”

    • TheGenderAvenger

      Hey Bruce Jenner look alike and fatty mcgourged. God Bless us all.

      • regressive white trash reli

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  • John Michael Hutton

    IN this case, if he had shot one of those kids, he would have been justified. They had a weapon of some sort and the cop didn’t know what it was. However, the debate is how blacks are treated compared to whites and this would have been a no brainer if these kids had been white.

    • thesecondarything

      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Good thing they didn’t get shot though. I’m glad he took his time to analyze the situation.

  • Pensive Aspie

    Why are the boys in handcuffs at the end of the videos?

    • TheGenderAvenger

      Because they were bad boys

      • regressive whitetrash religiou

        ^^^^NEW^^^TROLL^^^PROFILE^^^^
        …………soon 2 be removed by site mods,,,as all his TROLL profiles are!!

      • thesecondarything

        Are you okay…like in the head? You seem like the kind of dude that’s going to shoot up his office or something.

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        no,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,im not ok in the head
        ====================================
        people– such as you– who are “OK” in the head generally have crappy lives; poor aesthetics,,,,,,limited IQs and vote white trash regressive republican,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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  • andreaallennyc

    Why did the woman make the call! They weren’t doing anything!

  • Terrence Arrington

    The officer’s so happy, i’m so happy he didn’t shoot you can tell he scared out of him mind, glad he kept his composure. Every black teen is not a threat!

  • Terrence Arrington

    Don’t forget these are kids there prone not to listen.

  • nycguy

    All this article proved is that it is possible for a cop to deal with a black teenager without killing him. How about we spread the good word to the other cops?

  • Lisimba Lutalo Lumumba

    it is mostly the coward ass men who walk around with guns.

    • TheGenderAvenger

      No, it’s the thugs wearing hoodies that have been raised by a single mother who can’t follow simple directions from the authority.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^NEW^^^TROLL^^^PROFILE^^CRYBABY^^^
        ………hes criyng again

      • thesecondarything

        Yeah, there’s an overwhelming amount of black kids without fathers. It’s pretty ridiculous. I mean, most people think that’s just a racist stereotype. It’s only a stereotype because it’s true.

  • Ryan Cole

    Did this author say this story covers all sides of the debate, then continue on to how three males had ONE gun (it clearly states that one male had a bb gun), didn’t comply and would have been another “blacks in hoodie killed by police”? Um where is the other sides of the story? This sounds like every other story demonizing people who otherwise we’re discriminated against in the first place. The police officer had to react the way they did because of someone called saying someone is carrying a big ass gun. But when is that illegal? It’s not. So in order for the dispatch to do something about it they have to report it in such a way that it sounds like the kids were gonna cause harm. Which this author also doesn’t mention. I’ve never criticized someone’s writing but please I beg of you; if you say it covers all sides, please make sure it does because this story was disappointing.

  • Jasmine Guy

    Isn’t Texas an open carry state so what is the issue. the young guys should have stopped and followed the officers command but why did he stop them if all they were doing was carrying a gun in a open carry state?

    • Bah

      It’s not for handguns.

  • Tony Bone

    This is a non story. Happens everyday. The real story here is that the cop did a good job.

  • Alphonso Dunbar

    THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT!

    THERE IS NO LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN KILL A MAN FOR NOT LYING ON THE GROUND AND FOR YOU TO ADVOCATE SUCH BRUTAL NONSENSE IS SIMPLY BASELESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM!

    WHAT IF THAT INDIVIDUAL IS NOT PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OF LYING ON THE GROUND? THEN SHOULD THEY SHOOT THEM TOO,
    ACCORDING TO YOUR ERRONEOUS BELIEFS. OR SHOULD I CALL IT WHAT IT IS AND JUST SAY YOUR“IGNORANCE?!?”

    IF YOU’RE A POLICE OFFICER; YOU HAVE A GUN, A NIGHTSTICK AND A STUN GUN AT YOUR DISPOSAL. NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN THERE IS PROBABLY MORE OF YOU THAN THERE ARE POTENTIAL SUSPECTS. IF YOU CAN NOT ARREST A LONE, UNARMED SUSPECT
    WITHOUT KILLING HIM OR HER THEN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE!

    THAT IS WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS ENTIRE DEBATE,
    PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO THINK THAT ANY ORDER GIVEN
    BY A POLICE OFFICER, IS ABOVE REPROACH AND LEGALLY INFALLIBLE. MOREOVER, THAT IF YOU DON’T THE CONSEQUENCE
    SHOULD BE LETHAL (DEATH).

    ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC IF I AM TALKING ON MY CELL PHONE AND AN OFFICER SAYS HANG UP THE PHONE I MUST COMPLY OR THAT OFFICER CAN LEGALLY MURDER ME!

    SIR, YOU ARE THAT SPECIAL SORT OF MORON THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO EAT THOSE DUMB ASS WORDS THAT YOU SO ADAMANTLY THINK THAT OTHERS SHOULD LIVE BY.

    YOU SHOULD LOSE A LOVED ONE BECAUSE SOME IDIOT POLICE OFFICER WHO WATCHES TO MUCH SWAT THROWS A CONCUSSION GRENADE INTO HER CRIB! INSTEAD OF ROLLING IT ACROSS THE FLOOR; TRIGGERING THE SAME RESULTS AND SAVING AN INNOCENTS LIFE!

    YOU SHOULD LOSE A LOVED ONE BECAUSE SOME IDIOT OFFICER SHOOTS HER (A SEVEN YEAR OLD CHILD) IN THE HEAD WHILE SHE LIES SLEEPING! WHY, BECAUSE THE OFFICER’S GUN JUST WENT OFF! FURTHERMORE, HE, A MAN WITH WEAPON’S SAFETY TRAINING,
    NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM.

    THEREFORE, YOU ARE RIGHT IN ONE ASPECT; “THERE ARE
    THOSE (JOURNALIST INCLUDED) THAT TELL THE PUBLIC AND THEMSELVES JUST WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR!” WHILE NOT TAKING A GOOD HONEST LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE POLICE HAVE LOST THEIR MINDS, AND THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM, WHICH HAS LOST ITS WAY, HAS ALLOWED THEM TO RUN AMOK, WITH ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.

    WHY, BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID AND THEY COWER IN SECRET
    AS DISPLAYED BY THE VERY EDICTS THAT THEY ENLIST.

    YOU SIR IF YOU ARE A PAID CONTRIBUTOR TO THIS CITE; SHOULD SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE!

    FURTHERMORE, AS FURTHER PUNISHMENT FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS YOU SHOULD TRANSPORT YOURSELF TO SINGAPORE AND REQUEST TO BE BEATEN ABOUT THE BACK
    WITH 20 LASHES FOR GOOD MEASURE!

    • TheGenderAvenger

      You are the idiot. Another brother who claims that all of us (white folks) are racist. Go fook yourself moron. Thank God for George Zimmerman and Officer Wilson. True American HEROS. 2 hoddie’s wearing thugs off the streets.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^NEW^^^TROLL^^PROFILE^^^
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,crying of COURSE!

    • thesecondarything

      I think I have an extra keyboard if you need one. The L key is worn off though, but the caps lock still functions correctly, as do the shift keys.

  • James Alexander

    Are these kids living under a rock? With all that’s going on and what has happened can they be any more stupid than to walk around with a gun of any kind? They just happen to be confronted by the right cop. This could have easily been 3 dead kids.

    • Chris Steward

      Was there any laws broken though?

      • James Alexander

        Were there any laws broken? Are you serious? What the hell difference does it make if no laws were broken if their a$$es had gotten shot. When are you people going to get it that this $hit is serious and you can’t put your a$$ in a situation that’s going to get you killed, law or no law.

      • Chris Steward

        First off, your tone is $hit, btw. So this “discussion” is off to a terrible start. Secondly, if no laws were broken and these kids haven’t done anything wrong, then how do they know what they can and cannot do. Maybe, just maybe, as young men they are naive enough to believe all things are equal for them. I wish I believed that, but as an 30+ year old black man I know better. They are 3 kids doing things kids across America do. Someone had a new toy (which it is) and was showing it off to their friends. No crime. The news caster said the boy with his hands in his pocket has an ipod. He probably didn’t hear the commands and when he did he sat on the ground. The boy approaching with his hands up said the gun was a fake to defuse the situation. The cops reply? “I don’t care”. You forget these are kids. They don’t see the world as we do. And sometimes, that’s not a bad thing. You can’t expect them to have your life experiences. So as kids, they were doing nothing wrong so they didn’t feel the need to go into some kind of race-fueled panic. And as a kid, did you follow the news? I didn’t. I was too busy being a kid.

      • James Alexander

        Let’s be clear on something. I don’t want a “discussion”. You can rationalize these kids behavior, you can use logic; you can use anything you want, but what you and these kids aren’t using is BASIC COMMON-SENSE. I don’t disuss anything with anyone who is not capable of using basic common-sense; it’s pointless.

      • thesecondarything

        I need to come up with a name for your kind, Chris. You know, those overly-sympathetic, humanitarian, bleeding heart, dimwits that makes me want to kick a puppy’s…nay, baby’s face in just to piss you off.

      • thesecondarything

        These people think they’re defenders of the constitution. They think they’re going to have their day where ‘no laws were broken so I’m going to start a revolution!’ No, Chris. Walking around with what looks like a gun, even as a white dude, will probably result in you getting shot regardless of the fact that no laws were broken.

  • Unckle_Ruckus

    That isn’t the true question. John Crawford was killed based on the deceptive testimony of one 911 call. Not only that, he was in an open carry state. Looking at the video, the cops ran around the corner ready to fire at the first thing moving. Crawford wasn’t even given a chance to recognize that police were issuing a command. Before he could actually finish the sentence of “It’s not real”, he was shot. Rice was shot within two seconds of police contact. Explain how active shooters are always taken into custody “without incident”? A woman in TN drove around firing a handgun out of the window of her car, at random people, disabling one motor vehicle, even pointing at the police who were called to the scene. Arrested without injury or incident. Explain that.

    • TheGenderAvenger

      And you were there, weren’t you? Just shut the fook up moron.

      • Unckle_Ruckus

        Eat a bag of pig dicks. Your mother is about to call you for supper.

      • TheGenderAvenger

        That makes NO sense. You are just a classic racist black man

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^NEW^^^TROLL^^^PROFILE^^^^

      • thesecondarything

        Dude, are you having a stroke?

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        nope,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        stokes affect vermin such as palin and beck and Limbaugh and malkin and white trash regressive scum who ( ostensibly) showcase a difficult time making any sense while “orating”
        ========================================
        besides; billy squire is so “80’s”

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^NEW^^TROLL^^PROFILE^^^^
        ,,,,,soon2be gone as site moderators will evaporate him

  • disqus_sRZSRLcJ3x

    Need too do more about making BB guns look like real guns.If not there will be kids killed over a toy

    • thesecondarything

      BB guns really aren’t toys. I had a Walther PPK and that thing could go through a 40 bottle half an acre away. Just imagine what it could do to someone’s face.

  • peggy

    Fortunately it wasn’t this officers first instinct to unload his weapon… based on an unknown response. That hasn’t been the case in recent events.

  • ExoticWaves

    They complied though not instantaneously. Some people take time to process what’s going on…does that mean that they’re uncooperative or threatening?

    Public school doesn’t have a “comply with police 101 class.” Maybe they should.

    However, we see that these officers assume young black males are guilty until proven innocent…they assume the worst case scenario I wonder if the dash cam coupled with recent protests across the country made this offer think twice about pulling the trigger…?

  • Yvette

    This is a great article and all young men need to watch it. Thank God Luna was not of the cloth “that they are Black males so it doesn’t matter if live or die”. Luna needs an award for the manner in which he handled this situation….It feels so good to learn that some police officers do care!!!

  • False Flag

    “These kids had not committed a crime .. and this nonsense of the police
    saving the world before a crime happens is what causes most of these
    problems.”

  • D Jimison

    They are kids they dont use ration. That being said I understand that it is a split second but if the office had the drop on him and that guy went for a gun and the officer still gets shot, then he needs to find a different line of work.

    Glad to see no one was killed, and the parents took the offices side.

  • thesecondarything

    Annnnd here come all of the people that are going to whine about ‘fake guns looking like real guns.’ Well, whether you know it or not, air guns are technically real guns. They’re not firearms, but they’re projectile weapons that could severely injure someone. I actually prefer them over combustion weapons because, well, it’s less of a mess and no one’s going to die.

    I have to say though, I’m getting tired of the ol’ ‘CONSTITUTION WAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!’ You people are lucky I can’t get my hands on that shit. I’d record a vid of me tearing it up and throw that shit on youtube.

  • bleedcoltsblue

    This is why I don’t trust cops.

    The officer with a STRAIGHT FACE, says that an untrained teenager, with no gun in his raised empty hands can be FASTER than a trained officer who is on target with a gun in his hands.

    That is complete, utter, undeniable bullshit.