Conservatives, Let Me Explain the Difference Between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence

Constitution and Declaration of Independence on Grungy Betsy RosWhile nearly every conservative has heard of both, there seems to be a lot of confusion within their ranks about the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution.

First, many conservatives seem to believe that they’re the same thing.  They’re not.

The Declaration of Independence is essentially just a declaration of war.  Our Constitution, to put it in its simplest terms, is what created our government and outlines the rights to which every American is entitled.

See, when conservatives claim that our nation is founded on Christianity, they often use lines taken from the Declaration of Independence – not our Constitution.

And the reason for that is simple.  The words “Christian” or “Christianity” don’t appear even once within our Constitution.  Though in the Declaration of Independence there are references to “the Creator” and “God.”

So, when conservatives cite the lines, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator…” or,  “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation” as evidence that our nation was founded on Christianity, all they’re really doing is proving that they don’t know the difference between the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.

Our Constitution was a complicated process of compromise, debate and ratification between many individuals to comprise exactly what would and wouldn’t be a “right” for all Americans.  In fact, I argue that it’s such a precise document that for the words “Christianity” or “Christian” to be completely omitted wasn’t by accident – it was by design.  They didn’t want this nation to be ruled by any particular religion.

But I shouldn’t even have to “argue” that, because that’s exactly what our First Amendment states.

Our Declaration of Independence, however, was essentially written by one man, Thomas Jefferson, and is nothing more than a declaration of war by our Founding Fathers with their intent to establish our government.

Which is what led to our Constitution.

So, does our Declaration of Independence have references to God in it?  Absolutely.  But it wasn’t an accident that any mention of Christianity was omitted from the final draft of our Constitution.

Though this is clearly a very simple explanation of what each of these documents represents, that was kind of my point.  Because it seems there are far too many conservatives who clearly don’t seem to understand the basic differences between the two.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Jonas

    Also the Declaration only mentions God and creator but not Christianity. I find it interesting that Christians think they have the monopoly on the use of the term God. The use of the term God covers many religious and theists viewpoints. Not just those of the Christians.

    • FD Brian

      I agree, referencing God has nothing to do outright with Christianity. Now if they had something in there that went along with Jesus Christ, who died for our sins and rose from the dead and now sits at the right hand of God, then maybe, but it doesn’t. God is many religions.

      • John Michael Hutton

        Really? some would say superstitious nonsense.

    • Jay R. Adams

      Take it further…the writer of the Declaration was not Christian, but a believer in Deism, as was one of the two post-writing editors, Ben Franklin. The other post-writing editor was John Adams, a Unitarian. Ask a Unitarian if they consider themselves “Christian”, and generally the answer is “NO.”

      Well, at least the ones at the Unitarian Church in Quincy MA say no. BTW…for those who don’t believe either Adams was Unitarian, pop into the Unitarian church in Quincy MA where both John and John Q are entombed, along with their respective spouses.

    • John Michael Hutton

      So who cares. God is not part of the Constitution which lays down the rules for this country. This is a country that allows one not to believe in any flavor of God. It does not allow for any religion to force their beliefs on anyone in this country. You can believe what you want to believe or not to believe. It is called CHOICE. It’s a shame that the radical religious rightwingnut ReThuglicans don’t understand what this country is all about. They are a threat to this great country and its founding fathers beliefs to which we all pledge allegiance to without the added words, UNDER GOD. The Founding Fathers were not alive in 1952 when this was added to the pledge. In fact, they were not alive when the pledge was invented so therefore, I don’t recite either like a zombie. If it wasn’t good enough for the Founding Fathers, its not good enough for me.

      • regressive white trash reli

        yeah baybeeee!!!! I love when others who share my view(s) place them here 2 be read,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then regressive trash religious losers “claim” that JEEEESUS should be force in2 our legislation,,,,,,,

  • Kara Lynn Feeney

    The reason they don’t know the difference is because they are uneducated, low information people which is exactly how the Repugs ang Teanazis like it!

    • Rob W

      Really? Thats your explanation? And the name calling, tsk, tsk, tsk…The article states that MOST conservatives dont know the difference. Really? lets see the citations for that? Just making stuff up as you go, talk about uneducated. Shameful of you to support this.

      • 1safechick

        Talk about the pot calling the kettle black – tsk, tsk, tsk. BTW, what are your views on, say, the actual topic here. That the founding fathers did NOT design this nation based on Christian principles.

      • Rob W

        Good afternoon vagina. The topic is the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence not being based on Christianity. I know its not, so there goes your argument. Also, the writer is stating that conservatives dont know the difference. I do, so your point is moot. Now go get the vacuum, vagina. The living room is a little messy.

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey rob,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        what E..X..A..C..T..L..Y.. are “conservatives” conserving????
        ,,,,,,,,,based upon regressive GOP legislation in the federal an state levels it is NOT “conserving” money of equality for all americans; so what is it????

      • Rob W

        Another whiner LMAO ! ! Living the dream are you? Much butt hurt I sense in you…

      • regressive white trash reli

        you–as all white trash regressives do————– did NOT answer the question
        ======================================
        u seem to regurgitate “butt hurt” with expanding frequency.
        >>irrefutable proof of a limited vocabulary<<

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Wow. Can’t handle a woman who slaps you down, can you? A dick who pretends to have a brain! (Not the way I normally refer to men, even TeaBaggers, but you asked for it.) Do you ever do anything but belch and scratch yourself?

      • Rob W

        Such hate and anger. You MUST tolerate and accept ME, I DEMAND it ! You preach it but you dont practice it. Freedom of speech? As long as it agrees with YOUR view? How pathetic you are…Liberals need to be treated like children because you act like it. That wasnt a smack down, she, as you are a blithering idiot. You are BLIND…keep crying…I’ll laugh at your silly a**

    • Louise Hales

      I have found that when one runs out of reasonable arguments, they resort to name-calling, and we seem to be at that point.

  • Stannous Flouride

    Oh, you Progressives and your silly facts.
    This is ‘Murrica, dagnabit. We don’t need no stinkin’ badges and we don’t need no facts to confuse us.

  • Fernando

    Conservatives could care less! They will say and do ANYTHING that they feel will recruit! Truth is something that is anathema to them! They would also, love to have a “compassionate conservative” one rule Theocracy! Christian of course, which is essentially Fascism!

    • Rob W

      Like you liberals dont use the same tactics? Do you really believe what you just wrote? REALLY? You need to stop putting people in boxes. That is very narrow minded of you. Oh, wait. Look who I am talking to…truth naysayer….you’re an idiot.

      • 1safechick

        You know you’ve lost the conversation when the most you can bring to the table is a little bit of name calling and no dialog. But, thanks for playing.

      • Rob W

        Hi vagina, the dishes need to be washed and put away…that sandwich was good….You just have sour grapes because the dems lost in the midterms and Conservatives are showing you that we are smarter than you might think.You are now going to get your due….it is not good to be angry, anger leads to fear, fear leads to hate…

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey white trash rob,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, should we also be mad that the heat lost to the spurs? sour grapes? hey crybaby rob– the MIDTERMS recently have been “won” by the regressives as they vote then—————–
        shall we look at the PRESIDENTIAL elections of 2008 an 2012? seems your glory got vanquished then…… as will be 2016 when ALL americans VOTE

      • Rob W

        WOW, such anger and hate. Get over it whiner. Stop acting like a child. You lost, period. Wahh, wahhh…heres a tissue so you can wipe your vagina. You got served, the conservatives won and you arent happy about it. Go cry in a corner. LMAO ! Presidential elections of 08 and 12 BWAHAHAHA The only reason that socialist won is because the uneducated blacks voted for him. Thats the ONLY reason, and you know it. You are delusional. His numbers are in the crapper, younger voters are leaving in droves. Hell, even Harvard faculty and staff who voted for him and love oblahblahcare are now seeing the errors of their ways since their healthcare costs have risen! WOW! These people are PROFESSORS ! They are suppose to have a higher education and know more than the average person! They are just now figuring out they have to PAY for their healthcare when they thought it would be FREE ! ! OH MY GOODNESS !! What ever shall they do? They will change parties…thats what they’ll do. You are like a rat on a sinking ship and its going down fast….keep sucking Fauxking oblahblahs phallic fleshy appendage….

      • regressive white trash reli

        facts doth annoyeth thee; eh?
        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am enjoying your atavism sliding into 3rd grade retorts!!
        ,,,,,,,now; shall we review the USA VISAVIS dec 2008 an dec 2014??
        no?? no??? awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        facts doth annoyeth thee!

      • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

        Wow, you really are an obnoxious individual! I would be embarrassed to have posted the stuff that you have. Have a bit of class, if you can conger it up.

      • mdhome

        If you are so sure Obama won ’08 and ’12 because of ignorant black votes, you should see to it that education funding is increased and better schools are created in their neighborhoods.

      • captsmitty

        You are one ignorant piece of roadkill. You crawl out from under the turd you call home to hurl insults at people who you disagree with because you don’t know how to have a polite conversation. Your one of those people that uses political correctness as an excuse to be rude. Since you have no facts you, yell at others, calling them names instead of showing where they are mistaken. But since they are right and you are wrong you can’t come up with any facts to support your idiocy. You’re just another Butt hurt, angry teabagger that needs to crawl back into your safe place at Fox FAKE News, BreitFART and CRUDge where all you butt hurt snowFLAKE buttercups belong. Come back when you learn some manners and grow up. There is a difference between P/C and being RUDE.

      • splashy79

        So, Rob, as usual, a male devolves into hating on a woman, trying to “establish dominance” as if that’s going to make him look better or “win” anything.

        All it shows is your basic ignorance and weakness.

    • John Michael Hutton

      Gee, Fernando, I’m still looking for a compassionate conservative. I think that is just an oxymoron.

  • Eg Kbbs

    Dumb Question: The Declaration of Independence was largely penned by Thomas Jefferson. In the RWNJ furry over Berghdal have been many notations about not only the true fact that Jefferson owned a translation of the Quran (gasp!) but extensions to the facts including fabrications that Jefferson was sworn in on that Quran and that Jefferson somehow claimed the WH for Islam.

    So wouldn’t the right-wing have to conclude that references to the Dec of Independence of the “Creator” were referring to Allah ?

    • Kenneth Browning

      He could have. Jefferson had a lot of respect for Islam, as did other founding fathers.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        They were well-read and educated men. They knew more about the great religions of the world than most Americans now do…..especially the right-wing Americans.

      • lindylou

        Astoundingly more than a huge number of the drones elected to Congress.

      • Bruce Comer

        Fuck you! How dare you classify “the right-wing Americans” as being ignorant about religion any more than any other snot nosed shit in this nation. Stupidity has no aisle.

      • John Michael Hutton

        Don’t they watch Faux Noise? That makes them ignorant, uninformed DUMBASSES.

      • John Michael Hutton

        NO no Bruce. They are fucking ignorant about everything not just religion. They are fucking idiots that get their misinformation and lies from Faux Noise. The black guy did it. BENGHAZI BENGHAZI.. IRS IRS.

    • Jay R. Adams

      While an interesting pose Eg, Jefferson was one of the foremost believers in the philosophy of Deism, as was Thomas Paine and, later in life, Ben Franklin.

      • Kelli2011

        Jefferson edited the Bible to remove the divine aspects, including the virgin birth, all of the miracles and the resurrection.
        Do you remember the Glenn Beck claim that Paine was a Christian? LOL

      • John Michael Hutton

        You can’t blame Beck for what he says. He is a stupid conservative dumbass who makes shit up to go along with his many delusions.

      • regressive white trash reli

        actually I will say that “patriots” such as beck and limp-baugh and Hannity and all of those are BRILLIANT as they financially capitalize upon the sheer stupidity of white trash regressive religious scumbags,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I woul do it instantly if FOX “news” paid me 500,000.oo per year !!

  • Cathryn Sykes

    Jefferson, in his autobiography, talked about a debate concerning the freedom of religion clause in Virginia’s state constitution. Some of the delegates wanted to include mention of “Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.” But the majority wanted something that would guarantee the freedom of worship to every American, from Anglicans to “Hindoos.” Bless that man!

    • regressive white trash reli

      correct–he does write HINDOOs!!!

  • The words “Christian” or “Christianity” don’t appear even once within our
    Constitution. Though in the Declaration of Independence there are
    references to “the Creator” and “God.” If a reference exists in only one document then that is reason to dismiss the notion that we are predominately a Christian nation? It suffices for strawman stuffing I assume. There is more validity to that opinion than there is to this notion we are a Democracy…. a word that appears in neither document.

    • Ryan Swanson

      We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic.

      • Keith

        We are a constitutional republic. A republic is a type of democracy. A representative democracy. Go look up definition of a republic. Dumbass.we are a democracy.

      • Kevin R.

        It isn’t simply a representative democracy. What can be made into law is limited by the constraints stated in the constitution.

    • martiniduc

      You are missing the point. The constitution was made by our founding fathers. The Decoloration of Independence was written by one guy.

    • 1safechick

      These were highly educated men. There was no reason to put in language, such as Democracy, because that notion was covered more specifically with the phrasing, constitutional republic. Using the term Democracy would have been redundant and less specific than what they chose.

      • Indeed they were educated men. More so than those of today and this stain of pop culture we call society and this ‘it must be true because so many say it is true and I saw it on TV’ frail logic. They were well aware of this subtle difference as stated by Franklin:

        “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

        They abhorred democracy since it is little more than the rule of the mob. Instead they chose to protect liberty by establishing a constitutional republic where men were governed by law rather than their momentary passions.

        Additionally, although Jefferson may have authored the Declaration of Independence he borrowed heavily from the political philosophy of John Locke. “When in the course of human events” is not Thomas Jefferson.. it’s John Locke.

      • Rob W

        So should there be a reason that its NOT a Christian country even though the word is not in either document? I mean Constitutional Republic isnt in either document either, but thats what we are. Riiiiight? And using the term ‘Christian’ would be redundant? Ppssshh…You should log off now, thanks for playing….Useful idiot….Fauxking oblahblah used you and his ratings are in the tank, yet you still want to cling to liberal ideas….go sit in your box and pout….

  • Sandy Greer

    This entire article is based on the following Straw Man:

    >many conservatives seem to believe that they’re the same thing.

    ^^^Interesting to me that author himself doesn’t even believe it – but hedges his bets – by using “many seem to believe”.

    Just SMH

    • Teako

      Not straw at all based on my social circle. I have brought up something similar to this for a couple of decades and they stoill don’t seem to get it and certainly don’rt seem to care.

  • Jay R. Adams

    For those you may encounter who try to argue that our founding fathers were all “Christian”, please cite this quote from Thomas Jefferson…

    “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.” –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

  • Kevin R.

    The preponderance of belief and sway of ideas in a society has nothing to with the formal structure of government. The idea the constitution would need to address general beliefs held by the society dominant of the time is a misunderstanding of the actual role society plays in the organic governance of a country. To insist that the dominant beliefs held by a society must be explicitly codified in the constitution as opposed to simply being the dominant culture and center of ideas that society lives by and that governs is a very Statist insistence.

  • rossbro

    We M U S T maintain separation of Church and State !

    • Kelli2011

      The separation of church and state must be absolute. The freedom of religion must include freedom from religion because anything less is intolerable.

      • John Michael Hutton

        You sure as hell aren’t a ReTHUGlican

    • BkDodge42

      Seems as if you don’t understand the difference between the US Constitution with the First Amendment and a letter to the Danbury Baptists. The First amendment is an establishment clause not a separation clause

      • Keith Babberney

        Apparently, then, multiple Supreme Court Justices have made the same mistake. They found the concept of separation to be vital to the Constitution. And Article III comes before the Bill of Rights.

  • Heathen5701

    It is also known that Jefferson was so incensed that the words Creator and Nature’s God were put into his first draft that he almost destroyed the entire document. He wanted god and religion as far away from his ideal country as possible.

  • Eg Kbbs

    And please add those who use the “under God” in the Pledge. And those who quote a verse of the Star Spangled Banner (also added long after the fact).

  • Goat

    I just want to point out that while conservatives are indeed moronic, you liberals are equally as stupid :). How many more generations of republican vs. democrat failure is it going to take for you to realize that neither party is a viable option in today’s world? It’s time for a fresh start. Vote in third parties if you actually want to fix things.

    • yiddishblue

      Leftys aren’t interested. They want communism.

      • regressive white trash reli

        righties aren’t interested; they want the suckling of a dead jewish carpenter as “god” in our lives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        PRAISE ( white male heterosexual) JEEEESUS!!! ( tax free)

      • headache

        Angry much?

      • regressive white trash reli

        totally,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, pissed of at “smaller govt” rightwing religious regressive TRASH attempting to legislate their VOODOO in MY country………………white trash regressive low IQ scum who “think” jeeesus is some sort of deity
        =======================================
        keep crying

      • headache

        I am so sorry you need the gov to wipe your a$$, loser.

      • regressive white trash reli

        wrong answer– with two LLCs here in SE florida ( 2 businesses ) and owning 4 ( 2 commercial/ 2 residential) rental properties in broward county I use no government for “help”
        ========================================
        now- about the white trash regressive religious SCUM “tea party” trash making GOVT bigger to screw minorities an women and gays,,,,,,in “JEEEEESUS” name—
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,, hows that working for your crybaby ass???
        Hmmmmm?
        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,u don’t like that???
        =================================
        white trash religious regressive scum,,,,
        —keep crying

      • headache

        Liberalism really is a mental disorder and you are definitely proof of that ! I know I’ll see you in the news soon for shooting up a theater or something! (All of the shooters are leftys like you)

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^BRILLIANT^^^REPLY^^^FROM^^^CRYBABY^^
        ………………hey superman,,,, what exactly are regressives ) conservatives) actually ”conserving”?

      • Rob W

        Keep repeating yourself…it amuses me….

      • regressive white trash reli

        you didn’t answer my simple question
        ===================================
        ” amused”

      • Rob W

        LMAO ! Love it! And they were all off their meds. I think the reason lefties need the meds is because theres a fight going on in their heads. The fight is over the way they ACT because it goes against all human nature to be a good person like conservatives, but they have that struggle in their head. If they dont have their meds, they would go on a shooting rampage with a stolen gun. Did you see the story about the anti-gun activists telling kids to BREAK into their parents gun cabinets and STEAL the guns? Yeeeeah, thats progressive thinking…break the law to show how ‘bad’ guns are…

      • Rob W

        What a braggart ! Trying to make up for something? Tolerance and acceptance ! I love how you abide by that ! What a piece of s#!t you are…So its okay for you to trash someone when you dont like them, but when someone doesnt like you, thats not allowed? Hey, do you know the meaning of the word hypocrite?

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey bobbie baybeeeee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you are crying again.
        seems as when he went after me FIRST ( complete with ersatz “facts”) you remained quiet
        ************************************************************
        now,,,I destroy him and you appear???
        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, poor regressives —
        “di U faw’ down an’ go BOOM again”???

      • Rob W

        See, this is how much of an idiot you are. I never said anything about having Christ in our Government. I dont push religion so WOW, you are WRONG about ALL righties love GOD..I am one who doesnt practice a religion. So lets see, thats just one, there are plenty of others out there that are not religious. Do you know what that makes you? It makes you WRONG…

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey tesla———–
        they PARTY u embrace pushed “JEEEEESUS” into our governments through legislation.
        yep– just because YOU don’t push voodoo is irrelevant: the regressive scumbag party you lemming after does push REEEE-LIGION ( see: voodoo) all the time.
        ergo- guilt by association.
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,keep crying: keep reminding us of your innate “brilliance”

    • splashy79

      Right wingers love to do the “both parties are the same” bit so they can try to promote voter apathy, or get the lefties to vote third party so their vote is split. It’s one of the tactics they use to win, along with voter suppression and blocking voters.

      It’s the ONLY way they can win, because if everyone votes they WILL lose, because they really don’t have anything to offer most people if they aren’t very wealthy.

  • Rob W

    WOW, you liberals will believe ANYTHING — except the truth. Complete straw man idea. Plus, this article wants to put all conservatives in a box. This is EXACTLY why many conservatives dislike you liberals. I dont want to put YOU in a box, but since you willingly walk into the box of your own accord….so be it.

    • 1safechick

      By lumping all ‘liberals’ together you are putting us in a box – you lie!!! Also, please focus on the article itself – how does the author have it wrong?

      • Rob W

        Suck it wench. Liberals have been putting conservatives in a box for years ! Now its your turn. Oh, gee ! You dont like it? SHOCKING. I did focus on the article vagina, it states that conservatives dont know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I DO know the difference and THAT, vagina is why you are WRONG…now go do some laundry…

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^ROB^^^ mad that REAL women^^^^ avoid his angry ass
        ==========================================
        another beer for rob; ok- waitress? hes going home alone again

      • Rob W

        You’re hilarious ! You should do stand up ! Your wife knows how I treat her…

      • regressive white trash reli

        dream on white trash loser,,,,,,here is my GIRLFRIEND with me,,,,,,,,,

        U never get what Ive been grabbing for DECADES

        you get small chested or fat ass drunks,,,,,,,,,,,

        I get this— easy 2 do when U look like I do and sound like I do

      • Rob W

        Girlfriend? HA ! You mean your hand with lipstick on it? sooo pathetic..

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        still buried in 5th grade I see……………
        “brilliant”

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Rob, why don’t you take your fat hairy belly and your Neanderthal brain and shuffle away? I bet you spend a lot of time throwing your feces as passersby. Don’t bother to shake the bars of the cage; you’re never going to be let out.

      • Rob W

        AWw, you hurt my feelings…LMAO ! Mid term elections ripped the bars of the cage away you nutbag…Boxer is retiring, Reid got beat up by gym equipment, the world is falling apart around your Fuaxking B. HUSSEIN oblahblah. The ACA is about to fall apart EIGHTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT, his approval rating is in the crapper….yeah, you guys have done a real bang up job with America. Americas had enough of your crap. Mid terms proved that. Now grow up and get oblahblahs phallus out of your mouth…Let the grown-ups get to work now…

      • Rob W

        Whatsamatter sweetheart? Cant take the heat? You disgusting Dems need to open your eyes and your minds. How DARE you try and put people in boxes. You dont like it and now you are getting a taste of your own medicine. As I stated, the article is placing Conservatives in a box by saying we dont know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I just told you I do know the difference so that ruins the whole argument of the author (and YOU). Also, even though the words ‘Constitutional Republic’ are not in either document, we operate as one. The same goes for the word Christianity, no where in the documents does it SAY we are a Christian Nation, yet we operate as one. If you like muslims and you want them to be on par with us, fine, let them behead you and your family. I will not let it happen to mine. But I will watch and laugh as happens to you and yours because of your ‘beliefs’ and ‘values’. Believe what yu want, and I will believe what I want. Keep your nose out of my business and I will keep mine out of yours. Got it? Do you understand? Rest easy knowing that I served in he military 11 years formerly of the 101st Airborne INFANTRY for your right to be a stupid vagina. Did you understand that?

      • regressive white trash reli

        love when U call a woman ” vagina”
        =====================================
        rush limp-baugh an the rest of the religious “right” would be proud of u showcasing your true view of women
        ———————————————————————
        PRAISE JEEEESUS!!! Vote for bush!

      • Rob W

        True view? Lets see, vaginas and uterus’? Meant to give birth, so yeah. Cant grasp the concept? I am the farthest thing from being religious (See, there you go again trying to put me in a box! Ironic isnt it?) Much butt hurt I sense in you. Grow up, let the adults handle it from here on out. You got your butts handed to you in the last mid-term and you arent happy with the results….whaaaaa, heres a tissue so you can wipe YOUR vagina….I bathe in the tears of my enemy ! !

      • regressive white trash reli

        butt hurt? I enjoy how low IQ inbred white trash regressives use such panoramic colloquialisms!!
        lowest voter turnout since 1942, and U smarmy crybabies told us in the last NON presidential election ( see: 2010) how bad we libtards got smooshed; then–as always– you regressive white trash get slaughtered in the GENERAL elections ( see: 2008/2012) but ( butt??) I guess history isn’t your strong suit!
        ” I bathe in the tears of my enemy!!”
        I do agree—————— OHSO totally!!
        ,,,we are fraught with the lachrymosity in

      • A Olson

        Rob, go back and crawl into the clown car–your rightful place in society!

    • A Olson

      Rob is definitely a fox watcher!

    • Heroic Hal

      It said *many* conservatives, not all.

  • David Steele

    Who are these conservatives who don’t know the difference between the Declaration and the Constitution? Without evidence to support your thesis, you’re not explaining anything to anyone that everyone doesn’t already know.

  • b.baysden

    For all of you that want to deny God’s Son the Bible tells us that every knee will bow when he returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords; it also states that people that think they’re so smart became fools! Sound familiar?

    • Heroic Hal

      Why would those of us who don’t believe in the Bible care that that book that we don’t believe in says that?

  • David Brand

    In reality, it is Mr. Clifton who does not understand the difference between the words, “nation,” and, “government.” The Declaration of Independence is more than a declaration of war. It declared the creation of a, “new nation,” as Lincoln put it at Gettysburg. Yes, the Constitution created our government, and it is indeed secular. However, the American nation, the ideas by which our people live, that was born with the Declaration of Independence, and that does have a religious basis. That is what Conservatives mean by saying that the United States is a Christian or Judeo-Christian nation. They aren’t talking about the government at all.

    • regressive white trash reli

      todays scumbag regressive religious political
      “Christian” added “judeo” to TRY to assuage the evident hatred for jews and get jewish to “align” with scum regressives in the voting booth. Jewish people are NOT stupid; they know that CHRISTIANS do not consider the jew “going 2 heaven” as the jewish do NOT buy the total fabrication of JEEEEESUS being “god”
      the “Christian” claims that if any/all of us do NOT ascribe to JEEEESUS being GOD ( not ‘son of god’) then all who do NOT accept JEEEESUS as GOD are going 2 hell.
      nice try lemming Christians,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,luckily the jewish as a whole see through this attempted bridge an avoid the garbage pseudo-Christian.
      all religions are WRONG,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • A Olson

        You need to calm down! Don’t join the haters!

  • ejgreene

    Also, most people would agree that there is a big difference between the mention of God and the absence of any mention of Christ. Conservative right wingers can’t separate the two. I argue this point with my right winged friends and they think I am crazy as they feel they are one and the same. They aren’t.

  • John Michael Hutton

    Average conservative is just not very bright and then there are others that intentionally obfuscate the two documents in order to confuse the average not very bright conservative in order that they might get elected and further confuse the people in order to get tax cuts for the greediest of their supporters who pay for them and own them. See latest congress and the legislation that they are proposing and try to find something that helps the average American including the average not very bright conservatives.

  • BkDodge42

    Once again Allen seems to be missing the mark. There are just as many liberals that make the same mistake about the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution as conservatives and to believe otherwise only shows the blind allegiance that liberals have to their viewpoints.
    Then comes the claim that the Declaration of Independence is just a declaration of war misses the point of the Declaration of Independence. Fighting in the Colonies had been taking place since 1775 and the Declaration of Independence was written in July 1776, more than a year after fighting started. A more accurate statement would be that the Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking up Arms would be a declaration of war.

    To say that the country was not founded on Christianity and pointing to the US Constitution as proof again fails to take into account that the country had not been founded in 1788 when the Constitution was ratified but had been founded earlier than that and had operated under the Articles of Confederation from 1777 to 1789.
    Then to claim that the Declaration of Independence was written by one man once again fails to have a complete understanding of how the document was developed. The Continental Congress appointed a committee of five to write the draft and the committee requested that Jefferson write the first draft and then the committee made changes before the entire congress had a chance to make their changes.
    So liberals, let me explain that you seem to be following someone that writes to make you feel good about yourselves but in reality just fills you with misinformation instead of what actually took place. Of course liberals are not very bright

  • john

    Probably still helpful to understand the worldviews of the time that shaped the documents. Namely orthodox christianity (core tenets from majority of Christian streams of thought of which the protestant turn toward a new world order and away from hierarchy would have been larger), and enlightenment/renaissance deism (Which was Jefferson’s worldview – a hope in the rationality of man, and the order of God.) Probably also to then situate these worldviews in the political landscape of the frontier battleground for the struggles in England and France in setting up a non-corrupt democracy.

  • Brian Scott Zerba

    Could say this about most people of both parties not just Republicans.

  • They use these lame tactics to try and turn America into a Christian Saudi Arabia.

  • A Olson

    Thank you, Allen Clifton, for your lesson that everyone in America should know!!!

  • SvenGoody

    A very well written article. Unfortunately, Conservatives have repeatedly shown that they will not accept facts and intelligent thought.

  • Michael Edwards

    While I agree with the obvious distinction between the Declaration and the Constitution, and while I agree that all mention of Christianity was intentionally omitted so as not to give rise to the kind of persecution found in Europe of that day, I also think that many (most?) of the founders assumed God, and even Christ, in their worldviews. After Washington was inaugurated in Manhattan, the leaders of government walked to St Paul’s Chapel to pray and give thanks. And Washington intended that there be a national cathedral in the federal city bearing his name.

  • Marc Connolly

    It is fair to note, however, that the Declaration of Independence, like the preamble and other less than documents, is cited many times in decisions by the SCOTUS as clarification of a ruling. It is not completely without usage in governance.