The Dangerous and Idiotic Obsession Millions of Americans Have with Guns Has to Stop

sarah-gun-nutI’m a firm believer in the right for every American to own a gun for self defense; in fact, I own one myself. That being said, how many guns and how many bullets do we need to defend ourselves from criminals? In the average Americans lifetime, how often will they fire a gun in self defense?

I’m guessing the vast majority of Americans will never fire a gun in self defense.


We could arm every adult in this country with one gun and thirty rounds and that would adequately provide “protection” from potential criminals for their entire life. And if you’ve live a life where you need more than 30 rounds for self defense, what the hell kind of life are you leading?

But aside from guns for self defense, there are also hunters. Okay, I get it. Hunting is a “sport” that millions of Americans enjoy. So why are hunters against gun regulations? Is hunting something that requires an immediate purchase of a firearm and ammunition? Do hunting seasons “spring out of nowhere”? And how bad of a shot does someone need to be as a hunter that they require an arsenal of guns and ammunition? The good hunters that I know only need a couple of rifles, a handgun or two and a few boxes of ammo.

Let’s be honest, this obsession with guns that many Americans have in this country lies in a paranoid belief that at any moment, a second revolution is going to break out or that civilization is going to end and they’ll need to “fend for themselves.”

And I’m sorry, but in my opinion, if you believe in either of those you’re suffering from some kind of mental illness and shouldn’t own a gun in the first place. At least not according to people like the NRA who constantly claim that guns aren’t the problem, but mental health is.

But for me it comes down to my belief that this ridiculous obsession with guns many Americans have is one of the dumbest things plaguing this nation. Guns aren’t a tool or a hobby – they’re a deadly weapon. The purpose of a gun is to kill. It’s why I always laugh at those who try to compare guns to spoons, as in a spoon is only as “deadly” as the person using it. Well, a nuclear weapon is only deadly if someone fires it. But that doesn’t mean that it’s not a deadly weapon even when sitting idle. By this “logic” nothing is dangerous unless put in the wrong hands. And also by this “logic” a spork is as deadly as a predator drone.

Which is, of course, absurd.

The truth of the matter is, in this country we have an unhealthy obsession with guns. It’s one thing to own one or two for self protection, it’s quite another to obsess over them in such a way that you feel the need to strap a semi-automatic AK-47 to your back just to buy some paint at Home Depot.


Then we have parents letting their small children have access to deadly firearms. Many parents who won’t even let their kids watch R-rated movies seem to have no issue letting these same children operate a gun that can potentially kill someone.

In this country we don’t let children drive, drink or even vote because they’re not mentally advanced enough to handle any of those issues. But it seems that when it comes to guns, many of these same parents have no issues letting their children be exposed to weapons that have the potential to kill another human being. Because, according to them, there might be a time when that child needs to use that gun for “self defense.” Meanwhile, many of those same children could just as easily need a car one day to escape a dangerous situation, but they’re not mature enough to deal with that. That could be dangerous, but apparently an AR-15 isn’t.

Again, I’m not saying Americans don’t have the right to own guns. But there’s a difference between owning a gun for self defense or sport and having a paranoid obsession over gun ownership.

And that’s where a lot of our gun violence lies. It’s not just in the access to guns we have in this country, or even the amount of guns that are out there. It’s our culture that seemingly downplays the deadly nature of guns. Look at what these gun fanatics do, they march openly on our streets with AK-47’s strapped to their back – just because they have the right to. They claim to be out teaching the “values” of gun ownership. Not to stress the importance of how deadly those guns can be, but to promote the idea that more Americans need more guns. As if over 300 million guns in this country isn’t enough.

And I’ve still yet to have a single one of those gun fanatics tell me how to spot a “bad guy with a gun” in a society where every person is openly carrying one, which is what they would love to create.

But when it comes right down to it, the amount of guns we have in this country isn’t our only problem. It’s the obsession with guns many Americans have that’s just as big of an issue.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Shadow8088

    You shouldn’t be able to have more than one car. This obsession with cars has got to stop. Kids can steal their parent’s car and kill people with them………….

    • Nemisis

      Happens all the time.

    • kim dyer

      Nobody is saying only one gun. But there is something a bit askew with someone who needs DOZENS of guns. Some people’s obsession with guns rivals Jay Leno’s obsession with cars.

      • Shadow8088

        or people that collect baseball cards, or knives, or state spoons, or ANY type of collection…. Some people buy guns as an investment as their value, provided they’re cared for, never goes down. Some people just like to shoot lots of different guns as each gun has different characteristics when fired, and you know what? some people just like to own lots of guns. And there’s nothing wrong with that. If you don’t want to own lots of guns, or any for that matter, don’t. Leave what other people like to do alone and mind your own business…..

      • robingee

        As long as the guns are registered, no prob.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        And the ones not registered? Will you be knocking on doors politely asking the owners to do so?

    • Can we regulate guns as much as we regulate cars? Get a license for each gun? Have to register and pay yearly taxes on each gun? We tax gas, can we tax each bullet? We don’t allow extra filled gas cans to be carried inside cars; can we limit the number of bullets a gun can carry?

      • Shadow8088

        You can sure try… call your congressman… I’m SURE they’ll run right out and start that bill.

      • robingee

        Well, no because they are in the NRA’s pocket. But why doesn’t the NRA want guns registered? What’s the big deal? If you see nothing wrong with having them and they are legal.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Who said they don’t want States to have the right if they so desire. It’s your federal registration that they object to. The NRA is all for ‘State’s Rights’ unlike those ‘Forward Progressives’.

      • Scaramongus

        you made the analogy between gun ownership and cars, and now you are arguing off the topic – whatever works I guess

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        And would you like to continue on-topic? I’m your Huckleberry.

      • Keith Ziegler

        Nah, we tried being reasonable. Gun owners and the NRA slaves didn’t want to be reasonable. SO we’re going to by pass the congressmen and the senators. We’re going to change the USSC structure and then let them make a new ruling. PRESTO problem solved

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        So you’re all for Judicial supremacy over the will of the people? You really see the Legislature and Executive Branches subordinate to the Judicial? How will that work when the ratio in SCOTUS flips to more Conservative? Will you then scream that the Legislature is supreme?

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Did it hurt when you shot your argument in the foot like that?

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Nice point.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Sales Tax as well as Federal Excise Tax is already imposed upon Loaded Ammunition Manufacture and sales.
        Your comparison is a none -starter.

      • Neither is the post to which I compared it which was ‘cars’.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Will that also cover the Private Security Details of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Charlie Schumer, and Harry Reid? Nancy Pelosi holds a CCW. Will she be affected by any of your pending gun laws? Socialism for the people, not for the Socialists.

    • robingee

      It’s like you’re defending guns with a parable, yet saying something blatantly untrue doesn’t work here.

      • Shadow8088

        so, kids don’t steal their parent’s cars and drive them and occasionally get into accidents that involve a fatality? well golly gee, I stand correc… no.

      • Keith Ziegler

        You car analogy is idiotic. Sorry but it is. Cars are not designed to kill and destroy, guns are. But tell you what. YOU support JUST as much restrictions and regulations on guns as we have on cars, and I’ll let the analogy slide. Deal?

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        But Governments (Especially ‘Progressive’ governments) are designed to kill people. Just ask Our Dear Leader and both DINO’s & RINO’s.

      • DerpDestroyer

        More kooky nonsense. Time for your shot, Grandpa!

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        And yet no defense of your ideology.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        “blatantly untrue doesn’t work here.” ?? You mean on a Web-Board titled “Forward Progressives”?? Well no surprises there.

    • Scaramongus

      and the car is registered and has insurance and when you sell to another person it becomes registered to that person. The private sales loophole needs to be closed because this is a very easy way for a criminal or nut job to get a gun.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Traversing the country unfettered is actually enumerated, as is possessing a firearm for personal defense of one’s self, family and property. And yet I can buy a Chevy Pick-up from the dealer without Title and drive it around my Ranch without Insurance or Registration with my state. Can I do that with my firearms under your plan of ‘action’?

  • Human

    Bang.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      Is that the last thing Brendan Tevlin heard after Ali Muhammad Brown pulled the trigger during his Jihadi rampage?

  • Russy Rich

    I dont own a gun, but if some guy on a farm wants to own 200 guns because he thinks his government is going to invade his property then oh well. These aren’t the people with guns we need to worry about its the criminals and thugs on the street.

    • Nemisis

      Normally, I agree. I tend to not want to put a gun in the hands of the mentally disturbed. I think children should be taught about guns and how to use them. I do not think children should be given anything more powerful than a .22 and certainly nothing in the auto or semi auto category even with supervision. I also think if a person does not have specific training on a gun they should not have that gun any longer than it takes to get the training.
      I am leaning towards acceptance of a required annual or bi-annual certificate of gun safety. Mostly due to the amount of stupid acts I have seen of late. Gun control is more than just being able to hit what your aiming at. It is making sure that a gun you own is never used to commit a crime or be part of a tragedy.

      • Jim Bean

        I was with you right up to the annual/bi-annual certificate. Gun safety is no more complicated that claw-hammer safety. Don’t point the gun at anything you don’t intend to shoot. Don’t swing the hammer toward anything you don’t intend to hit.

      • Shadow8088

        The four rules…
        1.) Every gun is always loaded, so treat it as such.
        2.)Never let your muzzle cross anything that you are not willing to destroy.
        3.)Keep you finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
        4.)Know your target and what is beyond it.

      • Jim Bean

        That’s what I said. (I was a certified Hunter Safety Instructor many years ago. But when you boil it all down it comes to ‘never point it towards anything you don’t intend to shoot.’ The biggest gun safety issue really is, keeping guns out of reach of children.)

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Yet 20-yr old Adam Lanza broke into his Mom’s locked and secured Gun Cabinet to acquire the firearms he used at Sandy Hook.

      • Jim Bean

        Yes he did. And every step of the way he knew he was doing something he was trained not to do.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        As was Major Nidal Malik Hasan; he was trained not to shoot and kill his fellow Americans yet it was still just ‘workplace violence’.

      • Jim Bean

        We mustn’t hurt anyone feelings, you know.

        By working hard at it, I was able to understand how a man from a sheltered environment might come into office thinking the Islamists hate us because of the something we did to them and that if we made nice with them, they’d forgive us. But 6 years in, its beyond me why he still doesn’t get it.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        6-yrs in? Jefferson figured it out in his first confrontations with the Barbary Pirates. And James Madison recognized it again in 1812. It’s only this guy occupying the White House who hasn’t figured it out yet.

      • Nemisis

        Not even in the same ballpark as Adam Lanza.
        Hasan was not mentally disabled.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        You missed the point.

      • Nemisis

        Wrong, 20 year Adam Lanza killed his mom took her key and opened the gun cabinet.
        Had his mom not had guns Adam Lanza would have found a different method to commit his crime.
        The problem wasn’t the guns. The problem was Adam Lanza. The mental health care system is what failed those kids.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Again, you missed the point. But I truly do appreciate your descriptive of the events that led up to Sandy Hook. I’m right with you.

      • A man ran a red light and got hit by an oncoming car and died instantly. The problem wasn’t that this man ran a red light. Had he not run the red light then he would have found another way to cause his own death. Don’t you see the brilliant logic of this argument? Okay, that’s right, it’s just plain stupid. My God, you’re a pathetically moronic imbecile.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        That works: The sign at the Suffolk County Police Firearms Training Range reads “T.F. out of T.G.”.

      • Nemisis

        JB, there is much more. How to store a gun safely, how to transport a gun safely. How to prevent an accidental discharge. How to prevent children from getting to the gun and if they should how to make it so the gun can not be fired. How to store munitions separately from guns. How trigger locks work. How to prevent a gun from being loaded by using locking null clips. It is far more than just never point a loaded gun at someone you do not intend to shoot.

        Why a two year safety recert? Because of all the stupid acts I see gun owners do. Leaving a loaded gun on a coffee table while they sleep. Loading a gun and storing it that way. Not cleaning a gun after use. Handing a uzi-machine pistol to a nine year old girl. Seriously, guns are the second most dangerous thing on the planet and the first most dangerous plays with them like their toys. I would prefer not to have a safety cert, but something has to be done.

      • Shadow8088

        there is no such thing as accidental discharges, only negligent ones.

      • DerpDestroyer

        Sadly, usually a fatal mistake. Too many stories to count.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Sadly, mental heath issues affect almost every family unit. But we don’t differentiate them because of the perception that we are meddling. i.e. “Mind your own business”.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        A truer statement has never been spoken on the subject. You obviously ‘Teach’ firearm discipline and serve as that reminder at the ‘gun range’ to your friends and strangers when you witness sloppy or negligent handling procedures. I do the very same. There is no stigma in doing that.

      • jamesfitzgerald

        Negligent means thoughtless. Accidental means unintentionally. These look pretty much the same to me. Both things involve not thinking properly.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        No, Negligence can be Criminal. Think Hillary not demanding Air Assets and Extraction to rescue Ambassador Stevens.

      • Stephen Barlow

        And think of them arriving an hour post mrtem when the killers were gone for 49 minutes.

        THINK the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN SENATE CAUCUS voting AGAINST funding EMBASSY SECURITY for TWO STRAIGHT YEARS.

        46 doing LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Negligence means knowing better and NOT taking action. Like WATCHING a child play with a loaded DEATH TOOL.

        If the REDS had NOT voted AGAINST funding more intense security AFTER they had bee shown in documentation TWICE that that facility was inadequately protected….

        the REDS should be doing life without Parole. ALL 46 of them in the Senate.

      • jamesfitzgerald

        You’ve obviously never worked in a nursing home.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        But the events that lead up to a visit to the Abortion Clinic qualifies as which? Accidental or Negligent?

      • Stephen Barlow

        CHOICE!

        Constitutionally APPROVED CHOICE!

        Constitutionally APPROVED and PROTECTED CHOICE!

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        And what in our lives couldn’t use a ton more ‘Personal Responsibility’? You have every right to deny your children a play date at my Grandson’s house with his children because he’s a gun owner. But when you force yourself into his house and demand he disarm, is that not a line that should not be crossed?

      • Nemisis

        You are not making sense here. You are saying that everyone who has a gun is irresponsible. If that were the case I would definitely not allow my children to walk around without armed escort. I expect people who have guns to behave in manner that is safe. Where the gun is concerned I expect my children to not touch it or even go near it. That is what they have been taught.
        I am a gun owner, I do not deny my children access to my house. I do deny them access to my guns. As all gun owners should do. End of story bro.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        No, I’m saying the ‘Personal Responsibility’ is no longer paramount in almost all Americans thanks to willful disenfranchisement, and the allowance of government to become the executor of that ‘Responsibility’. How you and I store our ‘sidearm’ while it is not in our immediate possession and control was not the statement. What was the statement is that the parents of my grand children’s friends have every right to refuse to facilitate a “Play Date’ at my address when my grandkids are visiting me. But when that parent uses governmental force to remove my ‘firearm(s) from my home or my holster, that is the line I will not let get crossed.
        And for the bro part, I much prefer the lower case “bro” since it designates what someone does as oppose to what they say they are. Thanks.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        What are you willing to give in return? Do you know the history and the conflagrations over the GCA ’34? GCA ’68? GCA ’86? The Omnibus Bill? So with compliance with YOUR suggested regulations, can I cross state lines armed? Is my Permit legal in California? New Jersey? Hawaii? Will Canada and Mexico recognize your new permits? Will this be the last time you’ll come after us? I highly doubt you could commit. It’s not your political ethos.

      • Nemisis

        I’m not willing to give anything in return.
        Behave responsibly with a gun or I will take it from you.
        I’m not a governing body. I don’t have to give anything.
        Depending on the situation I might give the gun back as I stated taken apart and no bullets.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        It was a metaphorical question not directly affiliated with your post. It was intended to draw out a comment for the crowd of distain for even suggesting the I would want something in return.

      • Stephen Barlow

        And NEVER get another one!!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        WOW, did you maid’s kid look that up on the internet for you oinker?

        The Grainger Chapel . org…. LMAO!!!

        Making stuff up.

      • jamesfitzgerald

        You write: “How to store munitions separately from guns.” Seeing as guns are munitions, that must be quite a trick.

        The Free Dictionary:

        mu·ni·tion (my-nshn)n. War materiel, especially weapons and ammunition

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        The safest place for a sidearm is in it’s holster, loaded with a round in the chamber and on your hip. All other methods of storage are secondary incidental.
        But you’re arguing semantics with a sycophant.

      • Nemisis

        Just as long as another person does not get that gun, and you are in control of that gun then, yes it is a safe gun. Hang that gun on a wall peg in that holster and walk away. Then that gun is not a safe gun.

        That is what my point about gun safety is.

        Do you also walk around with the gun drawn, safety off, hammer back, pointing the gun at nearby people just in-case they want to do you harm?

        Safety is about responsibility. Not about restrictions.
        Don’t like storing your gun in a locked gun locker.
        Don’t. Anything that happens with your gun is on you.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        “Do you also walk around with the gun drawn, safety off, hammer back, pointing the gun at nearby people just in-case they want to do you harm?” Normally I would chaste you for even poising such a question, but having actually been confronted by such and extra-judicially correcting such, I can’t fault your question/statement.

      • Nemisis

        You replied to a comment.
        Per prior statement of mine “Everyone knows that any comment or reply you makes proves you are an idiot.”
        you are an idiot.

        You have confirmed your idiocy.

      • jamesfitzgerald

        Your prior statements have no significance. As I’ve said before, you believe in word magic. You believe that your statements control reality. That makes you certifiably insane.

        By the way, I proved that that statement of yours, “Everyone knows …” is idiotic. I just finished my proof a short time ago.

      • No, you have confirmed your idiocy. That prior statement of yours is idiotic.

        For one thing, you moronically went from the singular “you” (referring to me) to the plural “makes”.

        Secondly, your prior statements have no affect on whether or not I am an idiot. Your prior statements have all been thrown out of the discussion since you did not substantiate them.

        Thirdly, it is obvious that that prior statement is false. There are people who don’t know anything at all about me. Those people could not possibly know that any comment or reply that I make proves that I am an idiot.

      • Your previous comments are irrelevant. Every one of them has been discarded as being unsubstantiated. So, you have yet to contribute anything to this discussion.

      • Your prior statements are irrelevant. Since you did not substantiate them, they are inadmissible.

        Your prior statement is patently false. There are people who know nothing about your post. So, they don’t know that any comment or reply which I make proves that I am an idiot.

        You believe in word magic, in the idea that by asserting something you have established it.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I like the fingerprint ID circuits. ONLY the owner can be uploaded into the security system and ONLY the owner can unlock the trigger guard. Which means ONLY the owner does Life without parole for ANY gun death committed with HIS weapon.

        Own all you want, just don’t point them @ people.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        More people were murdered with Hammers than Rifles and Shotguns in America (From the FBI’s own stats)

      • DerpDestroyer

        Ahh, but not HANDGUNS, obviously. Come on, you can’t fool intelligent, educated adults very well.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        The comment was relating to the Stalking Horse known as ‘Semi-Automatic Assault Weapons’. Did you want the figures for Inner City Chicago regarding concealable handguns? BTW, did Our Dear Leader ever visit Rahm Emanuel and address his city’s slaughter of young black Urban males? Did Rev. Al?

      • DerpDestroyer

        Biased nonsense from a drunk old Grandpa.

        GOP: Iran Contra
        Dem: Bengazi

        Got it? BOTH parties, bud. BOTH parties.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        I’m sorry, you didn’t state whom you will be voting for in 2016? And it’s great grandpa. But does that somehow negate and therefore discount my statements and opinions? I value your opinions; that why I work so hard to counter them.

      • DerpDestroyer

        Haven’t decided yet. I’m a centrist gun owner, have voted for Dems, Libertarians, a few Repubs and Independents in my life.

        Tell me, have you ever thought if Fox News and Rush Limbaugh never existed, that you wouldn’t waste a bunch of your lifetime arguing about politics with people you don’t know? What a complete waste. You’re old anyway, don’t you have more important things to do with your remaining years? Think of all the other things you could do with your time!

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        A “centrist” is a person who can’t commit. And I don’t watch Fox News or listen to Rush Limbaugh. I’m an MSNBC, CNN, New Republic, and cpusa ‘Forward” devote’. I like knowing what you think. That’s why I’m here.

      • DerpDestroyer

        No, a centrist is a person without party bias! You have pre-programmed political bias, which influences how you vote! I’m not pre-programmed. I’m a bit liberal on social issues, but I’m an investor and am a bit right of center on taxation and commerce issues. And I’m also a bit libertarian, I don’t think we need the DEA and there are some areas of federal government that we don’t need. But I’m also a bit Green Party, because I don’t think we should destroy our environment for short term profits. Kinda like a Green Party/Rand Paul type, if you will. More and more people are defying the rigid two-party system and figuring out what they really want when they vote.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        “You have pre-programmed political bias” ? And what is that and how does it compare to yours, considering you’re a sycophant of this web message board known as ‘Forward Progressives’? BTW, I didn’t need nor ask for your resume’.

      • DerpDestroyer

        Ha. Have a good day, pal.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Gee, don’t go away mad. we were having such a great time. I mean, this is your Web-Message Board and I just chased you off it? And I’m just an Agent-Provocateur here.

      • Stephen Barlow

        monthly permits and weapons and ammo storage inspections IN the owner’s house.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        We have a minimum standard for our Political Representatives yet we see every day just how well that Litmus Test works. Our own Dear Leaders was for DOMA, before he was against DOMA.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Yet, every High School has a “Health’ Class were it is taught that unprotected sexual activities will result in pregnancy, yet you’re not calling for an annual / bi-annual certificate of Sex-Safety? Even Sandra Fluke gets her condoms for ‘free’.
        But then again, perpetuation of Margaret Sanger’s genocide against Blacks through the federal subsidizing of Abortionist’s such as Kermit Gosnell is very telling of your political ethos.

      • DerpDestroyer

        Time for your shot, Grandpa.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Tired are we? Your moniker reads ‘DerpDestroyer’ yet you’re more ineffectual than our new Ebola Czar.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      If one gun has a causation in homicide, does the presence of 200 guns increase that Homicidal effect? 340 million firearms means there are more than a few who own and possess multiple firearms (tonnage) yet when you examine the total guns to total criminal acts where there results in gunshot innocents, it compares far better than Commercial Air travel miles to deaths cause by Aircraft sudden stops. So just how unsafe are you, or is this another Political wedge issue for the Progressive Elites?

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      But the anti-gunners don’t differentiate in their venomous attacks against the very inanimate object. Any gun is too many guns (politically) to the Brady Center.

    • Stephen Barlow

      These are the Clive Bundy’s friends who ambush COPS in a diner.

  • Sandy Greer

    Somebody get that Straw Man a brain quick before he loses the election for us.

    • Nemisis

      I haven’t the heart for that.

      • Sandy Greer

        Well, then. Courage is required. Because not even Dorothy’s red slippers can save us from Clifton’s straw men.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Sterling T. Clifton.

      • Sandy Greer

        Afraid I don’t get the reference?

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Individual with a website that indicates he’s a candidate for President also.

      • Sandy Greer

        I did see that. Just didn’t (at first) see the relation to Allen Clifton’s straw men filled blog on “The Dangerous and Idiotic Obsession Millions of Americans Have with Guns”.

        But think now you were referring to my OP?
        ^^^If yes – Very clever. I like that.

        You’re an acquired taste, methinks. 😉

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        I try. It’s a way for me to discern who’s actually not an automatonic keyboard hunt & pecker.

      • Sandy Greer

        I think I’m going to like you. Wasn’t sure at first. You do come on like gangbusters. 😉

        But I like people who dance to their own drums. And buck the system. Square pegs on playing fields full of round holes.

        Nobody would accuse you of being an automaton, that’s for sure.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Unlike Our Dear Leader, I’m not here for the beer (summit).

  • Nemisis

    There are a great many uses that a gun has.
    Self defense is the least of my concerns.
    Hunting, a skill everyone should have yet is not for everyone.
    Sport shooting. The deliberate act of shooting targets for accuracy.
    Law enforcement. Not needed per say but even Andy owned a gun and put it on from time to time.
    Military defense. A must in today’s world.
    Military Offense. I don’t advocate it, but if we start with Mexico we could shrink our Southern border.
    Construction. A nail gun is still a gun.

    No matter what the use is. Training and strict observance of safe handling and storage procedures is a must.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      And those who do follow such a voluntary course of actions? What of they? You still intend to disarm them? Force them to only have 3 rounds in their magazine? Never carry them loaded and concealed? Never have them available on their person for use as they are exactly designed for? Defense of one’s self, family and property?
      Eric Holder had way different designs on his firearms. Yet no one here is calling for his head on a platter. Why is that; even on a Web-Board titled “Forward Progressives’?

      • Nemisis

        If someone is throwing a loaded gun around. I expect I will take the gun from them.
        Unload it, dismantle it and keep turn the munitions over to authorities.
        The right to bear arms does not imply the right to do so dangerously.
        Carry a loaded gun. I don’t care.
        Carry 500k rounds. I don’t care.
        Conceal them, or open carry. I don’t care.
        I am not afraid of guns or bullets or responsible people having them.
        It is the irresponsible people armed with anything that I have a problem with.
        I firmly believe every person should fire a gun at least 10 times.
        I can shoot. Not to badly, I think. My sons know how, one shoots very well.
        The other does not care to, but knows how and is a good shot.
        My oldest daughter can shoot and is as fine a shot as there can be. Better than her brother I think.
        My youngest daughter is looking forward to her next birthday because that is when she will learn how to shoot.
        All of my kids know every aspect of every gun before there is ever a round chambered.
        They also know everything about gun safety. With the exception of my oldest son, none of my kids know where my keys for my gun locks are.
        My oldest son is in the army with the 10th Mtn. He has his own gun.

        Does that make me a gun nut or just someone concerned with the maximum safety for something designed to kill. Because when it comes right down to it. A gun is a tool used to kill. Just because someone only shoots clays or paper. That gun is still lethal.
        So if I see someone drunk off their ass reach for a gun. I will take the gun. There is no might or try, that person will be disarmed. Just as if they were reaching for the keys to a 2.5 ton 4 wheeled bullet. (car)
        Own as many guns as you want. Just be responsible with them.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Yet ‘blanket condemnation’ of Firearms is the Norm and ginning up both sides is hugely profitable and when used as intended, said funds are utilized well in spreading the wealth (to both sides of the aisle.) But of the two sides in this conflagration, which has a ‘Civil Right’ on their side?

  • Some Middle Ground

    This article is pure stupidity. 1st of all yes personal security is a must. As to the hunting part, different animals require different guns, and they are not including the collectors out there. I know plenty of people who collect specific lines or brands of firearms. I Know 1 person who collects different single shot, bolt action Winchester 22s. Whoever wrote this article needs their head examined and is as much of an extremist as the members of Wesboro…..

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      “He is a co-founder of Forward Progressives”. And did you expect anything different from such a personage?

  • Jim Bean

    As gun ownership has increased dramatically the rate of gun-related violence has decreased dramatically. What is it about this trend that would make one want to derail it?

    • So Slick

      That statement is just disingenuous.

      • Jim Bean

        No. Its factual.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        198,000 registered ‘machine guns’ in the hands of citizens in 41+ states and the total lack of violent crimes committed by those law abiding citizens details the lack of correlation to criminally facilitated death by gunshot.

    • Tell me more….

      As gun ownership has increased dramatically the rate of gun-related school killings have increased dramatically. What is it about this trend that would make one want to derail it? Do you agree with both your statement as well as mine, because they are both factual? Correlation is not causation. Learn it.

      • Jim Bean

        Correlation is not *necessarily* causation but you cannot presume to arbitrarily rule it out without first confirming.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Nice Point. If causation were a factor in firearms ownership, the fact that you own more than one firearm, would exponentially increase your risk of becoming a Homicidal Maniac.

      • Jim Bean

        🙂 I never thought of that but it makes perfect sense.

  • Jim Bean

    Allen, you might want to rethink the accompanying picture. Doesn’t the sight of Palin (who has never shot anyone) pointing an assault rifle send the message that there is little to fear from a nut job who is in possession of a high powered weapon?

  • nextstep99

    It’s not an obsession… it a delusional paranoid sickness

    • reality calling

      only in america?!?!?!?!? really?!?!?!? do you watch the news dude?!?!?!? in half the countries in the middle east every person you see on the news is toting an AK47 in africa all the wars and militias and warlords that exist and you are gonna say some shit like only in america?!?!? wake the hell up dude. seriously wake the hell up. have you seen what’s going on in the former soviet nations?!?!? really?!? only here?! yeah go back to sleep sheep!

      • Ed

        Instead of comparing the US to crap countries maybe we should raise our standards by comparing our selves to better countries like the UK, France, Germany, Japan, and Australia.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Maybe we should compare THEM to us.

      • DerpDestroyer

        Lots of those actual guns are American made, interestingly enough. Not the AK of course, but US arms end up in all kinds of random places across the globe.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Thanks to Secretary Clinton’s ‘Gunrunning’ (remember that Benghazi thingy?)

      • DerpDestroyer

        Ha! How biased does one have to be to try to pin the avalanche of American-made weaponry that floods the world on a single politician? Maybe you should adjust your bias to include the likes of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Smith and Wesson, Remington, DuPont, Colt, Honeywell, Raytheon, Thompson, Winchester, General Dynamics, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc….

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Dude, I was just examining Hillary’s complicity in the resultant death of Ambassador Andrew Stevens, Sean Smith and CIA contractors, Tyrone S. Woods and Glen Doherty. (Please notice that I actually state their names). It is only you who is off on a tangent in a feeble attempt to divert attention.

      • DerpDestroyer

        Would you like to give us an informative lecture on the Iran Contra Scandal now, Professor?

        Of course not, it flies directly in the face of your obvious bias. Forget it! Bury your head in the sand.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Must I? Was that a relevant factoid to the article as written by Mr. Clifton? Why the diversion from Hillary’s Gunrunning? I made a ‘bumper sticker’ statement and you try to tit4tat with me? That’s like you claiming that both George & Dick personally hand-trucked all the Explosives into Tower 2. Seriously?

      • Stephen Barlow

        junkyard wrecks seldom have bumpers or stickers. and pushing that junker is as much motility as your impotence can muster.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        You are seriously unhinged. You are starting to sound just like a Ted Kaczynski Manifesto.

      • Stephen Barlow

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      • Stephen Barlow

        oink %[email protected]#$%^&*)(*

      • Stephen Barlow

        You have tits?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Pin him to the mat like an earthworm in a science project!~

      • Stephen Barlow

        Arms deals had nothing to do with a EXTREME RELIGIOUS FANATIC’s personal offense to a video accurately depicting Arab Thugs as Muslim murderers.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        So you too believe that Hillary is fully and completely complicit in the deaths at Benghazi? So you won’t be voting for her in 2016?

      • Stephen Barlow

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      • Stephen Barlow

        yep, I saw the film on FOX News, SHe was wearing blue PJ’s with white sheep leaping a fence on them and she shot the fuc*ers herself with a water pistol full of Vodka and set them bodies on FIRE!!!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        The contractors were collateral. but they were damaged so they were about to be returned. Did the DOD get the return for Credit invoice yet?

      • Stephen Barlow

        And a Blackwater in a Pear tree!!!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        yOu aRE an asteroidal hemmheroid!

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Wow, are you a seriously sick individual.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I am not the one shoving pieces of planetary junk through his anus into his colon for fun.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Thought Holder was the Gun runner?

      • Keith Ziegler

        This is not the middle east, silly child, and this is not Russia. You cannot compare them to the US and still be considered, rational, logical, or intelligent. Given the way our society works, we have an unhealthy obsession with guns and it needs to end. Either gun owners need to get behind and support logical restrictions OR they can live with what gets forced through by a change of the USSC and the law makers in Washington. Be part of the solution, or live with the solution others come up with. It is JUST. That. Simple.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        “support logical restrictions” ?? Yet only you are the arbiter of ‘Logical’ ??? How does that work?

      • Stephen Barlow

        onk 675843920

      • nextstep99

        I did say the “civilized” world…

        Interesting you put the USA in with Africa, half the countries in the Middle East, and former Soviet nations…

        “Civilized” countries don’t have 8855 firearm-related homicides per year — as occurred in the U.S. in 2012.

        I don’t suppose I should mention that in Operation Iraqi Freedom (4488) and Operation Enduring Freedom Afghanistan (2350) a total of 6838 soldiers have died — less U.S soldiers in the Middle East have died in 13 years of war, than U.S. civilians in the U.S. in a single year – 2012

        And then there are the school shootings…

      • Stephen Barlow

        Or 30,000 DEATH MACHINE KILLINGS!!!

        Don’t forget the PMC employees making $125,000 to do a PFC’s job that cost $25K/year.

      • Michael

        Not to mention western nations in which the government sponsors shooting events, requires adult males to own a rifle, and provides ammunition. Like Switzerland.

      • nextstep99

        Michael, you take it completely out of context. Most Swiss males do National Service. This is from wikipedia:

        “The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including weapons
        training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations, however it is not allowed to keep the ammunition…. Swiss men remain part of the “militia” in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers).”

        So, unlike the US, where it is open season all year round, most Swiss Belong to a “Well Regulated Militia” and no ammunition is kept at home. In may respects it couldn’t be more different to what you are alluding to.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Known as a “Well regulated militia, necessary for the security of the FREE STATE, ” in the American Constitution!!!!

    • rossbro

      Agreed !

    • Michael

      Actually it isn’t. It is a hobby and a necessity for a civilized world. Just because most ‘progressives’ do not understand the concept of gun ownership or the Second Amenmdent does not mean it is ‘delusional’. The purpose of the Second Amendment is not for hunting or even for self defense, the Founders would never ingrain in our Constituion something so simple. Whether you think it is paranoid or not the purpose of the Second Amenmdment is to give the citizens a last recourse to protect our society, the rest of the Amendments, and our republic. It is not likely it will ever be necessary but to think it is impossible is naive and remarkably ignorant in terms of the worlds history. I used to have similiar thoughts about guns and would lash out at people who tried to tell me the meaning of the 2A and its necessity in a free society. I went through a lot of cognitive dissonance until I realized that my opinions were being shaped by emotions spawned from the latest tragedy instead of reasoned logical thought. Then I realized that I can’t honestly attack a person who arms themself as much as they want, for whatever reason, and then honestly support every other individual right within the Bill of Rights. Supporting individual rights is meant to be a fundamental concept of liberalism. Despite what the media reports guns save many lives every single day. They allow the 19 year old college student to prevent her rape by a 250 pound man, my 85 year old grandmother to prevent her mugging by a man with a knife, the asian buisness owners to protect their lives and buisnesses during the L.A. riots, and the list can go on. This is where the phrase ‘an armed society is a polite society’ comes from. It removes the disparity between attacker and defender that was present before guns when the strong could easily prey upon the weak. There are milliions of defensive gun uses every year in many of these cases a shot is never even fired. Just recently a mass shooter was stopped by the mere sight of a man with a gun. You don’t hear about it on national media because it simply isn’t sensational enough for today’s viewer. What is truly delusional is thinking that passing more laws, which only the law abiding will follow, will actually prevent *criminals* from acquiring and using guns. They will only disarm people like me and make it more difficult if not impossible to defend myself and my family. Criminals will not say, ‘oh Congress just passed a ban! Better go turn them in!”. That is delusional. Is there a problem? Sure but gun violence has been on the decline for years. Can we do better? Sure but not by blaming an object instead of the person using that object and not by throwing all of our outrage and emotion at a weapon instead of identifying the root cause. Ban all the guns you want, it will not stop tragedies like VT and Sandy Hook. Only identifying and addressing the root cause could even begin to prevent these attacks. Along with making these institutions more safe, and not with ‘gun free zones’ which obviously have only attracted crazy people with guns because of the obvious lack of resistance. The issue is a lot more nuanced than I can express here and certainly more nuanced than your childish name calling.

      • nextstep99

        As I said, check the “civilized world” and you’ll see your dogma simply doesn’t hold up at all. I’ll leave it up to you to work out what civilized means. look at some stats in those Civilized countries and then compare them to the US. (Hint: Not Africa, former Soviet nations or the Middle East.)

        The 2nd Amendment is ‘fatally’ flawed — the “Well regulated militia” has been over-ruled, to allow every Tom, Dick and Moron to own as many guns as he wants, without adequate regulation or belonging to any formal militia.

        The founding fathers used muskets that took almost a minute to load not automatic weapons & semi-automatic handguns than can kill a dozen people in seconds. I have no doubt the Founding Fathers would be totally shocked at how that clause has been perverted, and the insidious sickness, delusion and paranoia that infects the gun culture of the U.S today.

        You say guns save lives every day… Blind Freddy can see that in the US guns take substantially more lives every day than they will ever save.

        FYI in case you missed my post, I’ll C&P it here:

        “Civilized” countries don’t have 8855 firearm-related homicides per year — as occurred in the U.S. in 2012.

        I don’t suppose I should mention that in Operation Iraqi Freedom (4488) and Operation Enduring Freedom Afghanistan (2350) a total of 6838 soldiers have died — less U.S soldiers in the Middle East have died in 13 years of war, than U.S. civilians in the U.S. in a single year – 2012

        And then there are the school shootings…

        an absolute travesty that the gun lunatics say can only be prevented by more guns. It’s absolute insanity!

        As I said – Only in America!

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        340 Million firearms and 2 billion in ammunition.

        8855 divided by 340,000,000 is .00002604 deaths per firearm? Air Travel = 3 deaths per 10 billion passenger miles. 254.4 million registered passenger vehicles in the US and 33,561 deaths / 2,969 billion miles / 1.13 deaths per 100 million miles. Deaths per Clinton / Still tallying, but one Airport Security Guard, one Vince Foster and one Ambassador for sure.

      • Stephen Barlow

        98,000 MACHINE GUNS from the DOD in Small Town Police hands with ZERO regulation, ZERO OVERSGHT, 20 Billion rounds of Armor Piercing .50 and .30 CAL COMBAT rounds. Not to mention all the Anti tank/Anmti Aircraft shoulder fired armament the Good Honest cops of the Thin Blue Line of Ferguson , MO could have unleashed without reservation on the UNARMED PROTESTORS of the KILLER COP Darryl Wilson who emptied a clip into a KNEELING, unarmed TEENAGER with his hands in the air!!!!!

        Do you REALLY think those outraged citizens would have become violent IF NOT CONFRONTED with riot gear SWAT Vehicles, AUTOMATIC WEAPONS LEVELED @ THEM and 500 PAID Reinforcements from every jurisdiction within 50 miles of OUTIDE the Ferguson City Limits???

        Doubt it. I almost wish they had started a blood bath with a 3 figure body count a day and a price on every cop’s head for 250 miles in all directions.

        imagine if they had arrested the officer just like her were a black suspect in a similar case. If ANY justice , law & order had existed at ALL in that suburb, then That is exactly what would have happened. They would have busted the shooter, investigated the crime scene, arraigned, indicted and tried the cop and sent him to jail if her were found guilty by a JURY of Ferguson Citizens.

      • Brenden Donaldson

        you are right in a way. War is coming. our own destruction is coming to due to this madness.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        So what would you do if you heard right here on this web message board that scores of well-armed New Black Panthers are secreted in and around Ferguson waiting for the first Molotov to fly?

      • Stephen Barlow

        DAMN!!!! i fucking sent them to DOWNTOWN St Louis. The are supposed to meet under the Arch and take over the Anheuserswicz brewery and make it a Concentration Camp for recovering AA Addicts.

      • Stephen Barlow

        And we LET it happen with the SAME glee we SHUN Ebola cured persons and those who have zERO symptoms in Maine. The same glee we DENY people from Ebola Free zones admission to SCHOOL.

        Iraq was about oil, but most volunteers enlisted for REVENGE. Hare is the most powerful motivators.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        You are seriously coming unhinged. And you own firearms. You should seriously seek mental health help before you snap and kill your Mailman.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I AM My mailman. Small town, have a free box in the actual PO.

        You can’t even LIE well anymore.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        “20 Billion rounds of Armor Piercing .50 and .30 CAL COMBAT rounds. Not to mention all the Anti tank/Anmti Aircraft shoulder fired armament”??? BBBWWWHHHAHAHAHAH

        Steffy, you swear Ferguson cops have depleted Uranium anti-material .50bmg rounds and shoulder-fired MANPADS? Did you loose a few coins from your parking meter again? Back up your post there Sparky. You’re swearing that Cop’s confronting Rioters & looters in Missouri are using M72 LAW (Light Anti-Tank Weapon) portable one-shot 66 mm unguided anti-tank weapon(s) on civilians? Or are you wrongly identifying 37/40mm Riot Control Less Lethal Launchers as evil Military weaponry?
        It’s like you drive a Clown Car with 30 of your clown friends. What’s wrong with you?

      • Stephen Barlow

        I KNOW FOR A FACT that multiple Pentagon, DOD and DHS programs have issued without restriction all of these things to local police departments in small towns all over America (like Ferguson, MO.) The $375,000 ASSAULT VEHICLE they drove around chasing unarmed citizens with is part of that program. DID you notice the 2 .30 cals built into the grille, the one on the tail and the .50 sitting in a turret on the roof?

        These were designed for urban warfare after the BlackHawkDown disaster in Somalia and from experiences in Bosnia-Serbia-Herdzegovena.

        Military killing machines in the hands of RACIST cops with ZERO respect for the people they protect and the laws that would imprison their fellow officers as murder suspects awaiting trial for killing people on the taxpayer’s dime.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        National Guard you simplistic thinking fruit salad.
        So they teach Racism at Police Academies across the country? So how do you explain all the Black cops in the NYPD, CPD, LAPD, LASO and the Missouri State Police? BTW, there are Black cops on the job in Ferguson. Mother Jones even interviewed them.
        But don’t let the facts cloud your stated goals.

      • Stephen Barlow

        THIS IS NOT the National Guard. They are over in Afghanistan fighting the War the 101st and the 82nd should be fighting. More national Guardsman were called up than regular Army troops assigned a tour in Iraq.

        America has 10 Divisions of active duty Regular Army troops and only parts of three were called up. The rest were reserves and National Guard.

      • Stephen Barlow

        BEt it would last 19 days and after there were only 4 cops left breathing in the Ferguson Cop Shop…

      • Stephen Barlow

        You are really ignorant enough to trot out an apples to asteroids comparison. it would be more accurate to compare the sperms and egg counts of prepubescent rape victims and the # of pregnancies that are resultant. Which would PROVE (in your logic) that underage sex is much safer than adult sex.

        Since firearms are hand carried and used by bipeds, then you should be counting footsteps to air miles. Comparing the air miles safely traveled to the massive amount of total deaths from Killing Toys. That is atoms to asteroids..

        Or in your case, hemmerhoids to brains!!

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Back up there Einstein, dispute the facts & figures. 56,662,169 Abortions in America Since Roe vs. Wade in 1973 , and you’re happy about that?

        ——————————
        And no comment on my crack on Clinton? Does that mean you whole heartedly agree?

      • Stephen Barlow

        YEP!! Too bad they missed you.

      • Stephen Barlow

        When did you smoke a lewinsky with Clinton?

      • If you’re going to try and make someone look stupid, then try not to let your stupid show (i.e. “hemmerhoids”).

      • Stephen Barlow

        Deliberate misspelling and your only last resort defense is to call Me on a TRAP???

        you are lamer than BOB, the quadriplegic swimming champion!!!

      • That’s nonsense. I did not deliberately misspell anything. I cut and pasted your misspelling. You wrote: “Or in your case, hemmerhoids to brains!!”.

        There is nothing lame about my post. It is you that is being lame in your pathetic attempt to save face, instead of conceding your error like a decent person would do.

      • Stephen Barlow

        EYE shur deyad!

      • Stephen Barlow

        Yeah there is!!!! HAHAHAHAHA The very FACT that you are chasing down the rabbit hole like a flood in an anthill PROVES your lameness!!

        Let’s have a vote of readership of The ATLANTIC. All those who think Mr havingafitz si Right, open wide and say AHHHH! CHOO!

        Leave your comments on your assessment of his lameness here.

      • Freodo

        Only in America can the taxpayers be forced to pay for a sex change operation for a person serving life in prison.

      • Stephen Barlow

        There is NOTHING necessary nor civilized about DEATH TOOLS, Killing Machines, or Assault Weapons in civilian hands.

        ISIL is about as imminent a threat as a kid chewing gum 5000 miles away. When America’s STRONGEST Arab Ally is responsible for the worst mass murder on American soil in history, and the DOD LOSES a 12 year war against the WRONG INNOCENT ENEMY…. america has NO business in the Arms Trade!!! Not when Justice can NEVER be served by Armed Civil Service murderers securely kept in hiding while unarmed American bodies lie in the streets for hours rotting in the sun.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        ISIS, ISIS, ISIS, not ISIL. And what’s with your abandonment of the King of Jordan? What’s up with that? Are you gonna follow Bush and his abandonment of the Kurds during Operation Desert Storm?
        Armed Civil Service murderers? Bodies rotting in the streets? What is going on in your head today?

      • Stephen Barlow

        You watch RERUNS of TIVOed FOX reports?

      • Stephen Barlow

        It was BARELY LIKELY in 1812. And CERTAINLY a BAD idea in APRIL, 1861. When your only tool is a HAmmer, all your problems look like nails. When you only recourse to political or social discourse are MASSED FIREARMS, then all your solutions look like CORPSES.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        What a pant load. Your tax dollars are going to the Bombs that are strafing the Euphrates Valley. Yet I don’t hear you demanding your tax dollars not be spent like that? What’s the story with that?

      • Stephen Barlow

        My VOTES make those DEMANDS. The fact that REPUBLCIANS offer criminal protection for the PERPETRATORS of the CRIMINAL WAR CRIMES of the Bush Regime… is outside My Representation in Congress.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        And Obama’s deployment of PMC – Private Military Contractors to the Horan Valley? 25,000 of them? Is that also outside YOUR representation in Congress? Is your Congressperson in the Progressive mindset as you or the Socialist Mindset as Obama?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Need a reference.

      • Stephen Barlow

        That’s a great answer. Order up ALL the PMC’s in America and FORCE the REDS to look weak in NOT sending them or CORRUPT for taxing the Rich to PAY for them!!! Conscript Congress!!!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        I was potty trained before i could tie My shoes.

    • Freodo

      Like homosexuality?

      • Shadow8088

        Holy Necropost….

  • Greg Ranzoni

    Something that my fellow liberals won’t understand. The 2nd amendment has from it’s very, very inception been intended to be the final fail safe against the failure of checks and balance. If one branch of the governments go too far at least one other branch is to pull them back into line. But what happens if all three branches become corrupt, (remember that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected with as much as 80% of the vote.) passing and upholding old testament laws, like criminalizing homosexuality, blasphemy laws, making Baptist the official religion in America. David Brin suggest only doing extensive background checks for, semi-auto pistols and rifles, while leaving manually reloading firearms (bolt, slide, level action) off any kind of registration or close screening. Bolt Action rifles bushed back Field Marshal Rommel’s army in North Africa. In Afghanistan a Taliban soldier with something like a .270 can can pin down a squad of marines.

    • robingee

      Well-organized militia.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        10 U.S. Code § 311 – Militia: composition and classes

        (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

        (b) The classes of the militia are—

        (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

        (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      Or when just one branch assumes the superior position in defiance to the Constitutionally enumerated equality of the three branches of government. Were the Courts meant to make Laws outside of the House and Executive branches?

  • Stokes

    Whereas I basically agree with the need to bring reasonable controls to the purchase of guns. Universal background checks just make sense. I would add that there is one area of gun ownership of which most people are unaware . I have been to many machine gun shoots. These are organized events, like Knob Creek, KY, where collectors bring their more exotic weapons for display and shooting. I know many people who collect specific weapon systems like the Hiram Maxim water cooled machine gun; it was the first machine gun used in combat. People collect these weapons for their history. The people I have met at these shoots are not the people you will see carrying weapons into a WalMart. They are average citizens who just have an unusual hobby. One friend has one of every Colt 1911A ever manufactured. He has them displayed in a very nice wall case. I make this point only to say not everyone who has an interest in firearms is a nut, but certainly there are a few nuts out there.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      “need to bring reasonable controls to the purchase of guns”?? And is not your citizenship qualification enough? But since you brought up that subject; what do you find deficient in the present system of checks & balances? And please detail the Constitutional authority for your proposed additional regulations, restrictions and prohibitions.

  • right2defend

    There will always be evil in this world, whether people accept it or not. That being said, evil will always find a way to destroy, by any means necessary. And with that being said, as long as there is evil in this world, and I have the means to defend myself from it, you bet I’m going to. Yes, guns end up in the wrong hands, but that does not mean everyone with a gun is evil. It’s also true I may never have to defend myself with my weapon, but at least I know I can if the situation arises. I’m not a predator, but I’ll be damned if I become the prey.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      and yet prey is exactly what you are to the Progressive Elites that run the country.

  • nonaverage citizen

    this country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and it has another mental health issue where people actually believe that any gun law is going to keep someone who does not give a damn about the law IE: a criminal from getting a gun. do you actually think that the guns used in drive bys and robberies are LEGAL GUNS?!?!?!? hell no first of all most of the time the gun is being used by a multiple felon who can’t even legally buy a gun so he steals it. this whole debate is STUPID responsible gun owners like myself don’t give a shit if you want to have a background check but we also know that it is not ones BACKGROUND that is what matters it’s what they are going to do in the future with said gun. we also know that crimnals are criminals because they break the law and if they will break one law and rob a store they will break another law and own a gun they should not have access to. so all this “we need more gun laws” is retarded what we need is people to take responsibility for their actions and recently i have heard more about people being shot by cops than i have about them being shot by criminals and noone has an issue with cops having guns so WTF?!?!? get over yourselves and get a life.

    ted kennedy’s car has killed ore people than my gun and i carry my gun every where i go. why? because i am a transsexual who has watched as more and more people like myself are assaulted and attacked and well i carry my hand cannon on my side in plain sight and all I see are polite people every where i go. so you can take this political rant and shove it somewhere nice dark and warm because you are the disillusion one if you actually believe this BS you have written here.

    • DerpDestroyer

      Bartender! I’ll have what he’s having.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      Hillary Clinton’s Gunrunning has killed more American Ambassadors than my guns.

      • DerpDestroyer

        Ahh, yes the “Fast and Furious” program, of course, which we all know was a program originally called “Operation Wide Receiver”, started by none other than GEORGE W. BUSH in 2006.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        No, The US State Department’s covert Gunrunning Operation to Syrian rebels out of CIA Station Benghazi- Safe House, which of course was fully authorized by Hillary Clinton. And please don’t dare express shock and amazement as if you didn’t know.
        Once again, Hillary Clinton’s Gunrunning has killed more American Ambassadors than my guns.

      • DerpDestroyer

        You are remarkably ignorant. Which is your choice! Ignore concrete data when it doesn’t fit your narrow worldview, and publicize the hell out of it when it does.

        Trying to pin any and all “gunrunning” solely on your least favorite politician is monstrously inaccurate and stupefyingly ignorant, given the vast history of Republicans doing much worse. What’s the point, however? BOTH parties have special interests that donate to their campaigns from gun and weapon manufacturers, its just that recently, the NRA has taken hold of the GOP inner core.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        And Blue Dog Democrats and their embrace of NRA Support? So there are no Progressives who have armed themselves? Really? Seriously?

        Care to rebuke the NY Times claim of that very ‘Gunrunning’ operation? Recall Hillary Clinton’s answer when Sen Paul asked about gun-running: “you’ll have to direct that question to the agency that ran the annex.”
        Trying to ‘pin’ that charge? I’m just repeating what she actually provided. Can you?

      • DerpDestroyer

        I just said:

        “Trying to pin any and all “gunrunning” solely on your least favorite politician is monstrously inaccurate and stupefyingly ignorant…”

        Can you read and ascertain the meaning of simple words?

        BOTH parties are guilty of carrying the water for the American arms industry! Remember Iran Contra? Or, you probably prefer to forget. And then there’s Obama’s continuation of Fast and Furious, a program started by GW Bush.

        Quit trying to label only one party as being duplicitous in this realm when obviously BOTH parties carry the Arms Industry’s largesse.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Oh how foolishly predisposed you are. RINO’s & DINO’s are exactly the same; the are ‘Progressives’ and as such, have no concerns with whatever your opinions, wishes, dreams of your father you may harbor. You are just a pawn in their game.
        What am I doing about it? I’m trying to take over this government and leave you alone.
        You’re for that, right?

  • Matthew Reece

    “We could arm every adult in this country with one gun and thirty rounds and that would adequately provide ‘protection’ from potential criminals for their entire life.”

    Thirty rounds is not nearly enough to defend yourself from the United States government, the most powerful and dangerous criminal organization in human history.

    • Keith Ziegler

      YOU MUST have a govt to run society…that’s just REALITY. Your version of a free society is called Anarchy. Sorry but no. And if you REALLY think the govt is out to get you, you are the LAST nut that should have a gun

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Really? And you’re the last nut to bear Personal Responsibility.

      • Matthew Reece

        That which is asserted without logic or evidence may be dismissed without logic or evidence, so I dismiss your claim that society requires government. There is no such thing as “my version of a free society.” A free society requires respect for individual liberties and property rights, and this requires anarchy because a government cannot function without violating the aforementioned. Also, ad lapidem is an admission of defeat and ignorance.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      One person with just 30-centerfire cartridges (plus one in the chamber) is not a deterrent to governmental tyranny. 200 million citizens holding 340 million firearms with 2 billion rounds is. And how many in governmental employment would be included in those totals?

      • Matthew Reece

        It would be a deterrent if people would hold government agents to the same standard as private citizens who performed identical actions. That is, if they would treat IRS agents like armed robbers, arresting officers like kidnappers, government soldiers like murderers, Selective Service boards like slavemasters, and so on.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        The only thing that 51% of those who voted in the last 2 Presidential Elections would hold is an every enlarging ‘Entitlement’ check. They don’t care who hands it to them, just as long as someone else is getting skimmed to pay for it. ‘No skin in the game, no pain just the same’.

  • DerpDestroyer

    The only actual result created by having more firearms in circulation is more gun deaths. Pretty simple.

    • Shadow8088

      You’ve made the statement, so the burden of proof rests squarely upon your shoulders. Please show me your supporting data.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      340 million firearms? That’s now more than there are humans (including illegal aliens) in 50 states and a federal district. So why isn’t the death rates exponentially higher? What is the death rate per gun in the citizenry’s hands?

      • DerpDestroyer

        You aren’t very good at this. Mass shootings are at an all time high! Accidental misfirings are also skyrocketing.

        How deep is your head in the sand? Can you breathe?

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        What’s the ratio of Firearms in Law Abiding hands to criminal Homicides committed with a legally owned firearm? Please do tell.

  • youcantgetridofmethateasy

    O-Kay all you Leftists, explain just how you all intend to ‘disarm the population of the 340 million firearms and the 3 billion rounds of ammunition now in private hands? Will you enact that ‘Obamarmy’ of civilian sycophantic automatons who will be ‘better armed than our military” to go door to door looking for the ubiquitous ‘I’m the NRA’ sticker on the back window of the Pick-up truck parked in the driveway? Please explain your intentions.

  • BoiseBoy

    I’m always amused by the people who compare gun deaths to car deaths as if it proves guns ought to be freely available.

    Let’s apply the same standards to guns that we apply to cars: tax them, register them, require users to be licensed, require users to pass written and practical exams, require users to carry liability insurance with proof of insurance and identification whenever they have a gun in their possession. And make the gun owner responsible for any non-legitimate injury that occurs due to the use of his gun, or irresponsible storage.

    Then guns and cars will be on equal footing.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      So you’re good with me standing behind you in line at the bagel store with a revolver on my ankle and a pistol on my hip hidden by my jacket? Even if I were fully legal in all your compliance requirements, would you let me cross state lines so armed? Would you recognize my licenses and permits across state lines as YOU do a same-sex ‘Marriage Certificate’? Would you let me collect my mail at the Post Office while armed? Do you feel that after I comply with all your proposed ‘reasonable restrictions’, can I take a tour of the White House while packing?

  • BoiseBoy

    Follow “Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America” on Facebook:

    Dads & kids also welcome. There are also a lot of responsible gun owners who are disgusted by what the NRA has done to America since the crazies took over the organization in 1977. creepy NRA gun trolls need not apply.

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      Fail.

  • Stephen Barlow

    The glorification of gun deaths is a sickness far deeper that simple paranoid fear of ‘invasion” or “hippies smoking too much pot and taking over the country from the deer and antelope.

    It’s cool to watch things blow up car chases and dogfights are exciting. But when blood spatter and dessicated human carcasses are more erotic than sensual orgasm in a soft porn scene, American’s have lost control of their moralities and sold their minds in the bargain.

    Sex is regulated to a greater extent and with nothing to genuinely fear in more states than guns are.
    And GUNS are a GENIUINE RISK to shop owners, pedestrians and people anywhere!!! Work, in their cars, in their homes, in schools in McDonald’s and just walking down the friggin’ street.

    When was the last time you heard of a wife “Strapping on a weapon” and banging her Tennis instructor to death?

  • New Englander

    Why does every single page I see on Forward Progressives have an ad for Tom Foley, the GOP candidate for governor of CT? Every. Single. Page. Do you A.) have no control over the ads your readers see; B.) not care where your revenue comes from; or C.) not really support ‘forward progressive’ causes as your name would imply? Granted, there isn’t really a good option for CT voters, but Foley is certainly the greater of the proverbial evils we have to choose from.

  • Knowledge

    If you knew anything about our country you’d realize that the second amendment exists to protect yourself from an overzealous government, not criminals. Go compare the rates of people worldwide who are killed by guns, vs the number of people murdered by their own government, and maybe you’ll actually understand the issue.

    Gun control does not get rid of guns, it centralizes them.