Dear Poor and Middle Class Republicans: ….Why?!

When I meet someone who’s wealthy and Republican, I “get it.” Why wouldn’t someone vote for a party that’s actively trying to cut their taxes and make it easier for them to become even more wealthy? While I get morally why a wealthy person might not vote Republican, I’m not ashamed to admit that I understand the greed and selfishness factor that might lead someone who’s rich to vote for the GOP.


But what I don’t get are poor and middle class Americans who call themselves Republicans.

I. Just. Don’t. Get. It.

Is it gay marriage? Is that really why so many poor and middle class Americans vote Republican? Is that really that big of an issue? Because if it is, please, can one Republican voter tell me how gay marriage has impacted their life? I’m not saying that sarcastically, I would really like a legitimate answer to that question.

Maybe it’s abortion. Okay, I get that abortion is a trickier subject. Even most progressives wouldn’t consider themselves “pro-abortion.” But at the end of the day, shouldn’t women be able to control their own bodies? And even if you don’t think that they should, our Constitution and Supreme Court say otherwise.

Oh, I know, it’s guns! That one is hard to argue. The GOP is definitely the pro-gun party whereas Democrats aren’t exactly charter members of the NRA. I’m not saying that Democrats are anti-gun, we just believe in sensible gun regulations. We tend to notice that whole “well regulated” part of our Second Amendment. And I’ve still yet to have a Republican explain to me how a disorganized group of armed citizens constitutes a “well regulated militia.” But okay, I’ll give it to Republicans, they are much more pro-gun than Democrats.

Is it the Republican opposition to government programs like Social Security, Medicare and welfare? Well, that wouldn’t make any sense. Tens of millions of conservatives themselves rely on these programs. What kind of a fool would support a party that wants to cut their own benefits? Not only that, but millions of children are dependent upon these programs to survive. And if the GOP is the party of “Christian values,” how would cutting programs that children rely on just to eat represent those values?

Perhaps its the whole “We Support Our Troops” moniker Republicans frequently use. Though I’m not sure how sending over 4,400 Americans to die in Iraq based on a lie constitutes “supporting the troops.” Nor do I see how blocking a veterans bill because you’re trying to play partisan politics with the legislation “supports the troops,” either. Oh, and did you know, when Republicans push for cuts to government programs, those cuts adversely affect both active and former members of our military who rely on these programs?


There’s always their “love for our Constitution.” Well, considering many of these conservative states (especially in the south) are almost always on the wrong side of history when it comes to unconstitutional issues we’ve faced as a nation (slavery, denying women the right to vote, segregation, civil rights, gay marriage), I’m not exactly sure how they can claim they’re “advocates for Constitutional values” – since they always seem to oppose the rights it grants many Americans.

Is it because Republicans say they’re the party for small government? This is a party that wants to tell women what they can do with their own bodies; pass a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage;  build a giant wall between the U.S. and Mexico; force millions of Americans to abide by laws based on a religion they don’t follow; and make it legal to discriminate against someone based on their sexual orientation. How exactly is any of that “small government”?

Ah, then there’s always the “fiscally conservative” claim. If a president from your party hasn’t balanced the budget since the 1950’s, how can you claim to be the party for “fiscal responsibility”? Keep in mind the last 2 two-term Republican presidents (Reagan/George W. Bush) left office with our national debt much higher than what it was when they took office. Which is extremely ironic considering Republicans consider Reagan their “fiscally conservative icon.” I’m not sure how nearly tripling our national debt in eight years constitutes being an icon for fiscal responsibility.

It goes back to what I said, when it comes to poor and middle class Republican voters, I just don’t get it. The party supports almost nothing that benefits these individuals and, in fact, supports policies that go against their own interests. Think about it, last November when Republican pushed for cuts to SNAP benefits just before Thanksgiving, how many millions of Republicans saw their benefits reduced?

But I guess if you holster a gun, hold a Bible and wave a flag, that’s all it takes to fool millions of Americans into thinking you’re on their side – even if almost nothing you support as a political party actually benefits them in any way.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Shelley

    A very good question! I would love to know the answer.

  • Lucky

    I been puzzled by the same thing.
    I have friends who vote republican even tho they have low low paying jobs, complain about the crappy insurance they have (blaming Obama care for that) and how bad their employer treats them, then go out and vote republican. Friends who are on disability and or receive other assistant and complain about not be able to buy what they need. Even some who work jobs that are paid federally and then freaked out when they did not get paid when Cruz shut down the government last year. Yet they vote for the very people who make it all happen. But they have their guns, alright! Even most of women I know, who complain about not being treated equally to men, and think they should be able to decide what medical treatments they should be able to seek, And they too vote republican. Though the biggest mystery to me is why in the world would a soldier and or veteran vote republican?
    I just Don’t get it!

    • wendy

      religion.

      • Billy Bien

        Saint Ronnie

      • Robert Jones

        Not exactly. Cultural upbringing with all the zingers included….

        Ever tried to explain to someone they’re wrong, while you’re right, while even citing your argument?

        Most people when faced with opposing viewpoints, strengthen their convictions…. rather than stepping out of one’s comfort zone.

        Besides… You say religion… I say values. I say values, because I, myself, am a conservative… However, I’m also progressive. I diametrically oppose left-progressives (Democrats — they aren’t liberals… Liberals are for pro-liberty.. Progressives actions want to replace liberties with securities).

        Cognitive Dissonance — mainly through one’s own confirmation biases — sometimes through The Dunning-Kruger Effect — and many times ignorance, from lack of experience, contrasted with other people’s different sets of assumptions, based on their own experiences.

        Psychology explains most of this stuff….

        Religion is too simplistic.

        Humans are complex… and no amount of wishing we weren’t, will change it.

    • corvinus

      Because the Democrats have done everything possible to convince straight white men that Dems think they’re pond scum. Simple.

      • cattnipp

        not true…… the problem is the GOP claims that all a person needs to do to be elite is be a rich straight white Christian male…. otherwise you ARE less than pond scum.

      • RJ Bone

        My only complaint with what you said is that you gave christians a capital C. Like republicans, they don’t deserve the recognition of prominence for their beliefs.

      • Howard Skip Winskunas

        When are the democrats going to take all of the money away from the wealthy and give it to the less fortunate? I don’t want obamacare and lower taxes, I want cash! It’s not fair that some people make so much money. When are they going to take Bill Gates’ billions away from him and hand it out to the rest of the people. Warren Buffett doesn’t need so much money. Let’s just take it.
        That’s the only way to solve income inequality. Its all about the benjamins. They need a lot of money because they spend a lot of money. Well we need a lot more money because we want to spend a lot more money. Cmon dems, WTF, Hillary & Bill time to share the wealth! Not your stupid social programs, we want your cash.

      • fuzzball

        Since no one is talking about taking all the money away from the wealthy here in America and giving it to the poor, what country are you talking about? Here in America almost 90% of all income gains since the Bush recession have gone to the top 1% and long before that income growth for the bottem 95% has been almost non-existent. It is a known economic fact that without a healthy middle class there is no economic growth and the GOP says the middle class, poor, unemployed and under-employed are way to wealthy right now and the aristocracy needs more money the the poor, middle class, unemployed who have way too much money according to the GOP need to give up even more to help the destitute top 1%. Everyone of the GOP tax proposals is geared heavily toward more money to the top 1-5% often over 50-70% of the benefits.

      • Howard Skip Winskunas

        right, right, because they disagree with you. We can’t have that!

      • RJ Bone

        Necropost much?

        Annnd no, because their beliefs hurt others emotionally and often physically, first, and second because they like to not only bludgeon us with what should be personal and private faith (“do not pray in public” is just one verse telling them to not force their religion on others…) but then get pissy and whine about discrimination when we call them on it. And try to pass laws to force their book’s bovine excrement on non believers. Dominionists, anyone?

        Discrimination?!?!?! They are oppressive to everyone not their brand of asshole. To us. Have been for hundreds of years. Or have you forgotten the Inquisition? Crusades? Did you skip history class, or do you not care? Christians have taken their “share the message” instructions and have extended it to say “whether they want it or not.” Oh and also use one collection of verses, that is allegorical, to justify the vision of a man writing fiction to make up hell to try to scare them into joining them. Or to scare them into doing what they say. Or scare widows into giving their money to the church and, while the ladies eat cat food, fly around in private jets “spreading the gospel”, driving Cadillacs and in one case literally eating off of solid fucking gold plates. How can they defend this?!

        Also their blatant hypocrisy that you see constantly in even the “nicest” christians. You know that thing that their religion’s namesake HATED so much that he spent more time talking about than that which christians try to condemn us with…

        Don’t even get me fucking started, apologist. Christianity (and religion, for that matter) is a scourge and has proven it is over and over again. Are there nice people trapped there? Sure, but they are the rare exception and I hope they finally see the light before they throw their lives away.

        But lest you think I think highly of any religion? I really don’t. I just dislike some more than others, the Abrahamic ones the most.

        As far as republicans? Totally lost cause. The first thing out of their mouths when talking about programs to help others is a string of invective laced with horrible greed and selfishness. Ironically often from people benefiting from said programs. Like religion they are brainwashed to serve people who only care about their constituents in how they can give those higher than them their livelihoods so the fat cats can gey fatter and keep trying to squeeze even more from people actually working for their money, providing for their families.

        We have an obligation to help our fellow man and, frankly, if it wasn’t from taxes, people like those greedy scum would just horde their wealth and tell everyone else to fuck off. And then demand help when they find themselves in trouble, that they often bring on themselves through the same greed.

        *sigh* The less fortunate, hurting and people really needing help, first. Money second.

      • 82ATW

        The Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades were about money. Money money money, honey.

      • Robert Jones

        Even though the Republicans successfully championed the ratification of the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments — which gave rights to blacks and….women in 1920…. after almost a century of the Democrats blocking and filibustering speaking programs set up for the Republican Congressional wives.

        Also… Al Gore Sr. filibustered The Civil Rights Act of 1964.

        What were you saying again?

      • RJ Bone

        This is where I point out that Republicans of the time were the liberals and Democrats were the conservatives.

        Also Al Gore Sr was a Dixiecrat.

        Party affiliation matters based on their platforms at the time. It’s like trying to judge Britain now based on its politics during Revolutionary War.

        But what should we expect from people so desperate to get back to the “good old days”?

        Focus on the past so we don’t repeat our mistakes, not so we go backward.

      • RJ Bone

        Also it should be said that mentioning one prominent liberal’s father as “proof” is one step away from an anecdotal fallacy (logical fallacy that is used stating that personal experience trumps other evidence or a statement of fact). You think that name-dropping will balance the argument in your favor.

        Also, we are both painting with broad brushes here. There are exceptions in almost every situation. Once the exception exceeds the rule, it becomes the rule. As to my statement about christians and republicans? Their policies and beliefs speak for their care for their fellow man. “You will know them by their fruits”? That said, sure, there are republicans and christians that buck the trend. I feel that they are dwarfed by their peers (short of asking every one, I can’t prove that and I won’t claim my personal experience as real proof for the entirety of their groups). My opinion is that they are, in terms of their care for others, self-serving and bigoted. Their policies and platforms are evidence of this, though admittedly, not all of them completely adhere to those beliefs, they claim the titles. If you’re going to lay claim to a belief that is often defined by it’s hatred… Well, do the math.

      • Poop used to be food. Pointing out how things were doesn’t change how they are. The republican party is now widely considered to be home of the elite white christians wary of equality for anyone else.

      • melgoza

        Same with atheists, democrats, and so called progressive.

      • Robert Jones

        Confirmation bias. You also need a citation. And Ad hominems… I dare you to ad hominem me.. I will rip you a new one.

        At your own risk.

    • Bob Johnson

      It’s a tribal thing. Repubs vow to protect their tribe against threats posed by other tribes, and that’s what counts most.

      • Robert Jones

        And no other party does this?

        Political parties are just as hypocratic as religions…

        Google “Social in-group bias” and educate yourself.

    • Bike55

      I noticed you didn’t say anything about your Democrap friends. They don’t work?

    • Barbara Dauerty

      I’m totally with you, Lucky!

      • Howard Skip Winskunas

        Barbara
        When are the democrats going to take all of the money away from the wealthy and give it to the less fortunate? I don’t want obamacare and lower taxes, I want cash! It’s not fair that some people make so much money. When are they going to take Bill Gates’ billions away from him and hand it out to the rest of the people. Warren Buffett doesn’t need so much money. Let’s just take it.
        That’s the only way to solve income inequality. Its all about the benjamins. They need a lot of money because they spend a lot of money. Well we need a lot more money because we want to spend a lot more money. Cmon dems, WTF, Hillary & Bill time to share the wealth! Not your stupid social programs, we want your cash.

      • Robert Jones

        Change up your copy/ paste argument. It’s really boring to come across, more than once.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      Lucky,

      When are the democrats going to take all of the money away from the wealthy and give it to the less fortunate? I don’t want obamacare and lower taxes, I want cash! It’s not fair that some people make so much money. When are they going to take Bill Gates’ billions away from him and hand it out to the rest of the people. Warren Buffett doesn’t need so much money. Let’s just take it.
      That’s the only way to solve income inequality. Its all about the benjamins. They need a lot of money because they spend a lot of money. Well we need a lot more money because we want to spend a lot more money. Cmon dems, WTF, Hillary & Bill time to share the wealth! Not your stupid social programs, we want your cash.

      • 82ATW

        Too bad money is just currency and redistributing all of it wouldn’t create any wealth ::leans forward to whisper in your ear:: Don’t tell no one. 😉

      • Robert Jones

        Left-neo-communist and Bolshevists hiding out under the Democrat umbrella, are not really my friends… but I will stand up and defend them, for being cowards not standing up for themselves.

        No one owes you jack. Get off your rump and make your own happiness. And if you can’t, well that’s your own gd problem.

      • Jane Welch

        Really Robert, A stagnant minimum wage that has not changed for 9 years (because of asshole Republicans) and isn’t even nearly equal to inflation while corporations get rich off the backs of hard working Americans making poverty slave wages and Big Banks and Wall Street rip offs and you have the gull to say it is our own God dam problem! “That is exactly how a Republican would think!” Hey as long as we have our guns we will be just fine! LOL “VOTE BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT” and show these asshole that we have been used long enough and yeah your right Robert it is our problem and we are going to take care of that problem by voting for Bernie Sanders for President!!!!! May “God Bless America” and save us from Trump the downfall of America!

      • john

        Ha ha, how did that vote go? Hillary got Sanders out. Now we need to get Hillary out instead of trying another experiment.

    • Widge

      We could just vote for free money. Sounds good to me. Am I right?

      • Robert Jones

        Stupid. You are aware that the more money printed, the less valuable the money becomes, right? Go ahead and print more money… Print all you can… You will see an armed revolution.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      You don’t get it because you’re a liberal and you want to stay stupid. Alrighty then

    • Wolffarmer

      Face it. As a whole humans are bat shit crazy

  • Doug Washeck

    Perhaps it is because they covet the image of money and the images that surround that……..well dressed, sophistication , possessions….ie they like to think of themselves as money managers; that they are in control of it and their own destiny…….That they are included in the wealthy sector of life here in the US…..land of opportunity. Perhaps they have a feeling of entitlement, because they work hard, own a car and have “beautiful people” friends…..They have their life together and are better than the “average joe six pack” schmuck…..and they are patriotic to a fault…..(whether we are fighting for freedom or against terrorism) ignoring the reality that we engage in war for resources such as oil, and truly have a scorched earth policy…..Perhaps they are so self absorbed into maintaining that image and that they truly believe the lies they hear from the well dressed Hannities’ and O’reilly because their level of self-esteem demands that they do

    • crashtx1

      You need to remove your head from your backside and meet some real people that vote Republican.

      • Doug Washeck

        Perhaps you benefit from the agenda of the Republicans….however, the vast majority don’t……The increasing vast income disparity occurring in this country (which is verifiably documented) is a case in point…..especially since the Reagan Administration……so spare me your rude admonition….(which is typical of Republican supporters)….I am not beguiled by your brash assertion, but thank you for your input.

      • crashtx1

        You might want to check your numbers on the “vast majority” that voted in the last election. lol. Speaking on rude admonitions, maybe you should read some of the other postings by your fellow bitter liberals to see some true rudeness. Again, pull you head out.

      • regressive white trash reli

        lowest turnout since 1942– as are nearly all mid term elections,,,,, witness the 2010 turnout which placed the bogus tea party “mandate” in view,,,,,,,,,,then: 2012 when repubs lost again
        =======================================
        will be interesting 2 see what 2016 holds; ’til then I suspect the majority (R) congress will do NOTHING to help americans; but plenty of wasted “Benghazi” and “impeach” and ” sue the president” and ” IRS” which will ONLY showcase the regressive republicans taste for spending us tax dollars on useless stuff.
        ===========================================
        now; please repute what I just wrote

      • crashtx1

        Hard to “refute” what is your opinion, or also known as copy/paste of typical Democratic drivel. And thank for admitting that Dems are either too stupid to vote in the midterm or know that their own party is so useless there is no reason to keep them there.

      • regressive white trash reli

        nice try Einstein: facts remain easy 2 see………….
        and– what exactly will your majority congress pass? tax cuts for “job creators”( they already tried that one)? ,,,,,,,,,,,,
        you didn’t answer any of my inquiries posted above ,,,,,,,,,,,
        and historically I am 100 % accurate- but: lets not quibble–
        lets do this:
        what EXACTLY are regressives ( conservatives) “conserving”??? based upon the past 30 yrs of republican legislative attempts it is NOT fiscal prudence or equality for ALL americans,,
        so: what are U clowns “conserving”?
        >>>drivel complete<<<

      • Amy Lantz-Gresham

        Dems lost votes because the republican ploy to make on the fence voters believe the libertarian party is different from BOTH dems and reps.

      • Bike55

        Say what? Losers always have excuses.

      • Paul Mundy

        stupid how about Reagan and his accomplices, those pulling his strings and those taking his orders as well laid the groundwork for the mess we are in today.

        1. Reagan cut taxes for the Rich, increased taxes on the Middle Class – The fraud of reaganomics:

        Wealth does not trickle down, it never has and it never will, it really flows up. The perpetrators knew this very well when they sold the fraud of reaganomics, or trickle down to the American people. George H W Bush knew this when he was campaigning against Reagan in the republican primaries, that’s why he called it voodoo economics. He was right, but when Reagan won the nomination and chose Bush as his running mate, Bush put the republican party and his own political future ahead of the American people and went along with the con.

        The ever widening income gap between the rich and the middle class over the last 30+ years is a direct result of the scam of reaganomics.

        Whether you call it “reaganomics”, “supply side economics”, “trickle down” or any other name the conservatives and the plutocrats, oligarchs and corporatists have been pushing the trickle down scam for a long time.

        It’s possible that it might have originated with Nero or Caligula. More recently President Hoover tried it and LBJ opposed it before Reagan became the most recent to push the scam, not surprising since Reagan never really had an original thought or idea. The one constant throughout history is that it never worked no matter how many times they tried it and it won’t work now for today’s GOPee party either.

        Unfortunately when you reward the rich with unfair tax breaks and cuts and corporate welfare, they “invest” the money in Wall Street casino games, hide it overseas and use it to relocate even more American jobs overseas to increase their profit margins, and the middle class is left out in the cold.

        With tax breaks and corporate welfare we give unending help to those who are not in need.

        Trickle down economics, whether employed by Bush, Reagan, Hoover or anyone else has always been a tool for redistributing wealth from the middle and the bottom to the top.

        Meanwhile the GOPee party continues redistributing wealth upwards while constantly lying to and scamming the American people as they continue to piss on our heads and try to persuade us that it is wealth trickling down.

      • ge205

        It is not about whether Democrats voted (and to be be precise, a vast majority of independents did not vote, either.) Just do not claim (i.e. “lie”) that a vast majority of Americans gave conservatives a mandate. That did not happen.

      • cattnipp

        too stupid to vote???? when the GOP ILLEGALLY purges the voter list of 40% of registered Democrats 2 weeks before the election…….

      • wendy

        If its an opinion, name one thing conservatives have done other than obstruct. Facts r not opinions and that’s a fact

      • regressive white trash reli

        republicans
        have tried tax breaks for uber wealthy; tried to screw( see: privatize) social security,,,and TRIED to make abortion illegal
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        themz da fax

      • Bike55

        TOP 10 POOREST CITIES
        Then why are the people in these cities so poor?
        I know, it’s George Bush’s fault!
        Keep voting democratic! You deserve this for being so stupid!
        What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
        Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
        Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1954;
        Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1984;
        Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1989;
        Miami, FL. (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1949;
        El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1908;
        Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1952;
        Newark, NJ (10th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 19

      • Twicker

        look at the poorest states-all red.

      • Bike55

        Ask the people in these cities.
        TOP 10 POOREST CITIES
        Then why are the people in these cities so poor?
        I know, it’s George Bush’s fault!
        Keep voting democratic! You deserve this for being so stupid!
        What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
        Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
        Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1954;
        Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1984;
        Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1989;
        Miami, FL. (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1949;
        El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1908;
        Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1952;
        Newark, NJ (10th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 19

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        shall we review the poorest STATES>>>???
        Hmmmmm?????

      • Bike55

        Review all you want.
        The next time you see a store with the gate pulled down after the owner closed up, you are in democratic town.
        Subject: Re: Comment on Dear Poor and Middle Class Republicans: ….Why?!

      • cattnipp

        in many cases you are in a GOP town, and they pull the gate down because they do not care for any homeless to take advantage of the doorway to cut down on the wind while trying to sleep…

      • Kathryn Thomas

        You don’t even know what you’re talking about, so how do you think anyone else knows what the hell you are talking about? If you have something to say to people, they have to understand what you’re talking about or what is the point. If the point is just that you want to rage without reason, this is not the place. If you really have something to say, calm down and think sentences, and make your point. You are blathering.

      • LibsSuck!

        Talking about, talking about, talking about? A little redundant!
        “I’m writing about!” Maybe buy a thesaurus? I will give you a minute to look that up..

        This isn’t the place? Another Democrat making the rules.

        Rage without reason…no rage here. I’m overjoyed because it’s
        “NOOBAMA DAYS!”

      • David Eichenberg

        You obviously have a problem with facts. Where did you get this list? I know, you saw it in a meme didn’t you? Here are some actual facts on the poorest and wealthiest cities in the United States and it has little to do with not having a Republican mayor. These were compiled by using data provided by the US Census Bureau. http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/10/15/americas-poorest-cities-2/

      • Bike55

        Life must be nice with rose colored glasses on. Idiot!!
        My republican town doesn’t have one store with gates pulled down at night. Why do store owners pull down gates after they close in the hoods controlled by democraps! Profiling!???

        Subject: Re: Comment on Dear Poor and Middle Class Republicans: ….Why?!

      • Wolverine

        Most of those are wrong, proving you didn’t do proper research and simply pulled shit out of some unreliable internet source. Even if you were right (for example), a lot of the poor cities you listed have Republican governors. You GOP people are too dumb to reason with, let alone even knowing what reason is lol.

      • Bike55

        Never heard a person in a rich republican town say they are tired of being safe. If the democratic hoods are so good, why do I hear that democratic voters are always trying to get the hell out! Enjoy a life of ignorance and blaming. I will enjoy paying my taxes to keep you out!
        Subject: Re: Comment on Dear Poor and Middle Class Republicans: ….Why?!

      • Leah Boule

        NONE of these are on the poorest cities in the US!

      • Howard Skip Winskunas

        Wendy, If a lib is pushing a law making everyone walk off a cliff or drive they’re car into a brick wall, then yes, we shall obstruct. Get it?

      • wendy

        That was meant for crasxtx..pardon

      • regressive white trash reli

        tis cool my fair lady!!

      • Howard Skip Winskunas

        “Tis cool, my fair lady”……Good god , you must be an SCA rat, born and bred in the halls of academia.

      • Paul Mundy

        you said it so well

      • Paul Mundy

        that was from low voter turn out and voter restrictions against minority ard tard 2016 will put democrats back in there crap they do will make voters turn out than we will see who the minority party is

      • ge205

        If you want to talk about the “vast majority” of the last election, then don’t forget the vast majority who did not vote. you might want to pull your head out of that one.

      • Bike55

        Who votes in these cities?
        TOP 10 POOREST CITIES
        Then why are the people in these cities so poor?
        I know, it’s George Bush’s fault!
        Keep voting democratic! You deserve this for being so stupid!
        What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
        Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
        Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1954;
        Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1984;
        Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1989;
        Miami, FL. (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1949;
        El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1908;
        Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1952;
        Newark, NJ (10th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 19

      • Scooby154

        And most of those states have a republican Governor

      • cattnipp

        some who have governors who overthrow the elected mayors and place a hand-picked ’emergency manager’ in charge to sell all assets off to their friends for pennies on the million dollars, and blame the mayors for the shortfall.

      • April Day-Taylor

        You need to work on your research skills, Bike55! For starters, Miami has had Republican mayors, one was recalled (Carlos Alvarez) for wasting money by giving ridiculously large raises to close aids and wasting money on a unnecessary baseball stadium, during the economic crash and then raising property tax, when people were financially hurting!

      • Bike55

        Research? Have you been in any of those cities? I have and luckily I don’t have to live where democraps are in control. As a 1%er by hard work the last 25 years, I have my choice where to live. I have no problem paying taxes to keep you on the dole. That means you will never be able to afford to live by me. The next time you see a gate pulled down I front of a store at night, check who is the mayor. It will be a democrap.
        Subject: Re: Comment on Dear Poor and Middle Class Republicans: ….Why?!

      • April Day-Taylor

        Yes! I live in Florida, which is controlled by the RepubliCON’s and has been since 1994! That includes, Miami, which has gates on their stores and residential window!
        Miami has had several Republican mayors, congressman/women and senators! The Cubans are hard core Republicans!
        Florida is also known to be one of the most politically corrupt states! This used to be a great state, but, in the last 20 years, I’ve watched this state slowly destroy the middle class by giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy/big corporations and continually dropping the tab on the middle class!
        Again, use your brain, research ALL sources and not just the Conservative propaganda!
        Oh! And, I’m not on the “dole”! My husband and I are college educated, work and pay our taxes! We also, don’t have a problem helping the poor, disabled and the sick! We strongly believe in programs that help those in need! That’s is what we are suppose to do as Christians and that’s where I want my tax money to go!

      • RJ Bone

        The problem here is that you keep repeating the same things over and over and over and over again expecting a different result. Heard that one before? It is the definition of insanity.

        Give us new information. Step outside your scripted, already refuted “information” and disprove the facts presented above. C’mon, show us that you’re not the average nose-picker hunting for gold like they do everywhere else.

        You can do it! We believe in you! Rah-rah!

        Or continue to suck. Makes no difference to us because we know we’re right. 🙂

        Edited because I don’t reread all the time 😉

      • Bike55

        Show me a democratic city that is thriving! Otherwise I will repeat the same old story that you have no defense for other than the same old one. It’s not our fault that we are can’t get of the hood! If the democratic hood is so good, why in hell does everyone try to get out?
        I’ve never heard anyone in a rich republican town say they are tired of not being safe!
        Enjoy your ignorance! You can’t fix stupid with all the welfare money in the world.
        Subject: Re: Comment on Dear Poor and Middle Class Republicans: ….Why?!

      • Joseph Pajerek

        I’ll reply to that one, how about San Francisco, CA. It has one of the most vibrant economies in the entire country, also New York City, NY, self explanitory. Downside to the two cities is that demand to live and work there outstrips the available supply of housing, making them expensive

      • LibsSuck!

        It took you four months to come up with an answer!

        Why are they so expensive? The democratic polices has nothing to do with Bush.
        In the last four months how many murders have been committed in those vibrant democratic cities? Also, any problems on MLK Day crossing the Bay Bridge? Most of the ones that locked themselves up are used to the handcuffs. Enjoy your Democratic city and I will enjoy my safe republican city.

      • Joseph Pajerek

        It didn’t take me four months to answer, I had only read this article and the comments minutes prior to making mine

      • cattnipp

        wow… do you get a bonus if you post the same drivel more than 3 times in a thread????

      • RJ Bone

        He gets a dime. Worried more about money than fact.

      • Brian

        CNN polls showed 75% of those who did not vote in the last election (2/3rds of the nations citizens eligible for voting) were of democrat leanings.
        The only reason the Republicans did so well in 2014 was because no one else voted.

      • Kelley Raunec

        Those figures are wrong, CNN hype. News is not FACT. Research them through a reputable non political source and get back to us. An OpEd is not FACT it’s OPINION/

      • Brian

        Burden of proof is on you. I’m waiting.

      • Kenneth Fingeret

        Hello crashtx1, What can brown do for you?

      • Wolverine

        “baahhhhh” said the sheep above me.

      • Bike55

        So who do you blame for that. The Community Organizer that had control both the house and senate….

        The people in these cities haven’t benefited from the Demcraps.

        TOP 10 POOREST CITIES
        Then why are the people in these cities so poor?
        I
        Keep voting democratic! You deserve this for being so stupid!
        What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
        Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
        Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1954;
        Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1984;
        Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1989;
        Miami, FL. (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1949;
        El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
        Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1908;
        Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1952;
        Newark, NJ (10th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 19

      • jackster12

        It’s a shame crashtx — ironically, like so many that this article is talking about — didn’t seek to come back at this with some sort of attempt at logical counterpoint. After all, wouldn’t that be the best way to refute the idea that Republicans don’t do much thinking, by “showing the math” of all that supposed consideration? Yet, instead, the ass and head comment.

        P.S. By the way, Doug, I thought you hit the nail on the head. Aspirational support, hopeless as that cause might actually be, has got to be the reason.

      • brad

        your right republicans like do have an agenda its called making money. by the way what makes you certain government programs even help the poor. the lie politicians that raises taxes just keep that money in their pockets. plus the government wastes 2.5 trillion tax payer dollars. the government gets 4 trillion in total combined tax revenue. whens the last time the pot holes get fixed in the streets. how many poor towns never get their schools fixed none the government gets ample amounts of money from the tax payer. my tax plan is simple lower the tax rate to 0% no taxes. the less money the government gets the better. trillions of dollars and other resources could be used far better if government planners and politicians would shut up and let American business lead the way

      • Joseph Pajerek

        Government programs help not only the poor, but the working class as well. The reason that Republicans (as puppets for corporations) want to: A. Repeal minimum wage, B. Get rid of all public assistance and C. Eliminate both Social Security and unemployment insurance is so they can expand the labor pool, and what happens when there is more supply than demand? THE PRICE DROPS! With no safety net of any kind, you would almost double the labor pool with no new jobs for any of them, so the people that still have jobs would see their wages drop, and the unemployed would starve to death out on the streets. That is “pure capitalism” for you

      • 82ATW

        It’s a wealth gap, not an income gap.

      • Robert Jones

        “Republicans….however, the vast majority don’t…..”

        You need a citation for this.

      • Paul Mundy

        this dude has not been rectal fed yet, someone get Cheney Bush here and water board this person back into reality.

      • Brian

        I’ve met several, as I grew up in a very Republican area. I was surprised at how many of them were on government assistance of some sort of another, and still voting for the people who want to cut them off. I heard complaints about blacks, about bums, about immigrants, about gays, about democrats being anti-Christian. None of them hold any water, of course, but it just goes to show that the real reason people vote Republican is because of propaganda.

      • cattnipp

        the 4 counties with the highest welfare/foodstamp use in the USA are all in redstates, and all have majority WHITE citizenship

      • wifather2000

        We will be waiting a long time for these ‘real people’ if you are referring to wage earners that vote against themselves by voting repuglican’t!

      • Barbara Dauerty

        I know & love many, but that doesn’t require that I agree with them.

  • openminded_montanan

    It’s been my observation here in Montana that most if the people I’ve met and/or deal with who vote Republican –
    1. Are easily convinced that Democrats want to spend their hard earned money on lazy welfare “takers”.
    2. Are willing to be told by their homophobic preachers that Democrats will destroy their God-given rights to hate gays and will perpetrate the “gay agenda” which makes their kids treat other kids like human beings instead abominations in the eyes of the Lord.
    3.Are convinced that all Democrats hate babies and happy Christian families and never want another baby to be born.
    4.Have been told by representatives of exploitive companies that Democrats hate people with jobs so they create crushing extreme environmental regulations to keep hard working Americans from getting ahead.
    And
    5.Don’t give much thought to making their own decisions and are perfectly happy to belief the most rediculous inflammatory bs about Democrats because it makes them feel superior.

    • handgunnar

      1. You do.
      2. Check with Colorado and see that their fears are correct.
      3. As if it took much convincing, all they need to do is listen to your own rhetoric.
      4. Reference the Democrats own fetish for the EPA’s job killing regs and their opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline.
      5. Making their own decisions? Such as compulsory ObamaCare forced at gunpoint on the 72% of the American people who opposed it?

      • regressive white trash reli

        (a) 75% of all SNAP benefits feed kids 13 an under and 65 and older AND 70.5% of them are caucasian
        (b) America is EQUALITY- so if GAYS wanna be stupid and marry,,,why cant they? JEEEESUS? the BIBLE?? sorry; America isn’t about VOODOO/superstition
        (c)

      • handgunnar

        Read your own post and then refer to points 2 & 3 again….and thanks for proving my point.

      • regressive white trash reli

        you make no sense– or are U arguing that the XL pipeline is worth it for ( maybe) 100 jobs???
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and if the ACA is opposed by “72%”,,,,,,why did Obama get sooooooo many votes???
        HMMMMmmmm???
        ======================================
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,about my asking ” what are regressives -conservatives– conserving?”
        ……seems U did NOT answer this; eh?

      • handgunnar

        If you believe that the XL pipeline will only create 100 jobs then you are the poster boy of leftist’s economic idiocy.

      • regressive white trash reli

        you need to look at CBO facts b4 U show us your “brilliance ” regarding this topic. 92% of all jobs associated with XL are considered temporary: IE; 18 months or less; and many of THOSE are non oil related employments
        ======================================
        get back when U do some research
        **********************************************************
        speaking of the idiocies of economics; shall we look at the legislations of democrats VS repubs in the past 25 yrs and the OUTCOMES of those policies???
        shall we??? Hmmmm??

      • handgunnar

        I think we’re seeing the catastrophic results of retard Democrat policies over just the last 6 years under your confederacy of morons and traitors like President Pootie Tang.

      • regressive whitetrash religiou

        I completely agree with you!!
        ,,,,,,,,,,,, the catastrophe of 5.6% unemployment,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2014 BIGGEST job creation on record since 1999 ( another commie president),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, gasoline now at $1.98 per gallon in 14 states ( 2.08 avg nationally) and consumer confidence rising in the past 13 months nationally with stock market at all time HIGHS and businesses showing RECORD profits in the past 4 years sequentially,,,,,,,,,,,, feel free to go to the CBO and/or US treasury to peek at those little nuggets of information
        ==========================================
        damn those muslim martian anti Christian communist CATASTROPHIC policies!!!!

      • Paul Mundy

        oh you mean the man that Ended the war in Afghanistan,best overall jobs numbers since 1999, killed Bin Laden, normalized relations with Cuba, saved America

        from Bush,s recession & Bush,s 8 years of 2 wars brought home over 100,000 American troops, gave quality affordable healthcare to millions of Americans,

        eliminated Ebola from America with the help of brave medical proffesionals, convinced China for the first time in their history to take action against climate

        change,brought unemployment down to 5.8%, made great historical steps towards immigration reform so chew on that for a while you right wing nuts

      • binx

        To be fair, it wasn’t anything that Obama did to get us out of those wars, we had set up legislation when Bush was in office that we’d be out of them by the end of 2011(Iraq) and 2014(Afghanistan). So it wasn’t Obama that got us out of these wars persay, but rather war documents that dictated the timeline we were allowed in those countries to occupy them.

        Also, the 5.8% unemployment rate doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story. It does not reflect the fact that a large portion of the country has stopped looking for jobs altogether or have taken part time work instead. When all is said and done, the ACTUAL unemployment rate is closer to 11%.

        I don’t consider myself a republican or democrat. I think both parties are relatively the same aside from a few idiological theories. The facts are that the SOTU is broadcast to make you(the American people) feel good about where we’re at, increase confidence and spark increased support for that President’s party. You’ll notice that Obama(nor any preceeding president) really says anything different from any past SOTU address. It’s basically the same rhetoric over and over. How quickly the American people forget.

      • Paul Mundy

        the facts do not lie unless you get them from fox news

      • ge205

        The fact is that the GOP was predicting the economy would be much worse off, and gas prices would be much higher because President Obama was re-elected. That they were wrong is a fact that cannot be spin.

      • Ronnie Almond

        So if the unemployment rate was around 10 % when Obama took office, then your numbers would indicate that it was probably around 15 or 16 % at some point so if the unemployment rate is at 11% as you indicate then that is still a reduction of between 4 and 5%. Just sayin.

      • Paul Mundy

        omg that is the a load of horseshit please this dude has not been rectal fed yet, someone get Cheney Bush here and water board this person back into reality.
        more republican zombie lies

      • cattnipp

        but…. but…. but… by following the agreement that Bush signed in December 2008…. Obama caused ISIS to be created………. remember???

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        to quote “saint” Reagan,,,,,,,,,,,,
        “,,,,,,,,,there U go again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,”
        ————…..annoying a regressive with facts

      • stepheninportland

        Actually, Gunner, I would posit that you don’t think at all; or poorly, at best. Not much practice, I assume. Your comments are very similar to how a parrot “talks”, by mimicking what it has heard people say.

        I have yet to find a conservative who can point to a single piece of legislation by any Republican since Eisenhower that has helped the average working class stiff. Umm, voting “against” taxes and regulations and/or “defending our freedom” don’t qualify, by the way. Those are slogans, not actions.

        I don’t suspect you will be able to enlighten me either.

        By the way, ask the Montanan how he likes drinking out of the Yellowstone River these days. Since a broken oil pipeline dumped 50,000 gallons of oil in to it, I mean.

        Darn those pesky environmental laws and business- crippling regulations! But the Keystone pipeline is GUARANTEED not to leak, right?

      • Paul Mundy

        the only republicans i had respect for was Eisenhower and Lincoln

      • pgeller

        “A MAN WITH A CONVICTION is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point.” So wrote the celebrated Stanford University psychologist
        Leon Festinger

      • cattnipp

        you mean the cutting the deficit in half? or cutting unemployment in half? or was it doubling the Stock Market? maybe finding and killing Bush’s friend Bin Laudin??

      • handgunnar

        Your pusher is supplying you with some really good dope if you believe that hallucination of yours. And it only took you 7 months to come up with that misspelled rubbish.

      • Paul Mundy

        your a idiot we do not need to pipe tar sand we would employ more if we repaired our degrading roads and other much more needed services which would supply permanent employment we do not need to destroy more environment on republican oil schemes you are a poster boy for the morally retarded republicans

      • handgunnar

        I’m supposed to take the illiterate lunatic ravings of a fool like you seriously?

      • Cindy Bott

        handgunnar the pipeline will not create to many jobs, short term jobs yes but once it is built not that many. They don’t even want American made steal used, then you have the people who are being forced to sell land for the pipeline and if it leaks (they all end up leaking) who’s drinking water is contaminated and who’s land is destroyed. We could make more jobs in the United States by repairing our own roadways and bridges making more jobs for more Americans using American made materials.

      • cattnipp

        wow…… by their own study it was estimated there would only be 30 PERMANENT jobs created….. well except for oil-spill clean-up, which would be paid for by the taxpayers…….. and the GOP blocked a bill that would approve the pipeline on the condition they use American Steel…….. the Kochs want to buy sub-standard pipes in China to save money, screw safety measures or American jobs.

      • handgunnar

        Please link to that “study” of “theirs”.

      • handgunnar

        Pandemic voter fraud and the fact that the only choice was between a socialist Democrat and a socialist Democrat-lite wanna-be.

      • regressive whitetrash religiou

        since 2000 in ALL federal and state elections,,,,,,,,,,,,,, over ONE B..I..L..L..I..O..N.. votes have been cast…..
        ======================================
        with 37 ( thirty-seven) confirmed cases of voter fraud; “thirty seven”
        ………………so: your above post just got crushed by verifiable and corroborated FACTS
        =======================================
        “please continue; governor”

      • Paul Mundy

        god hand gunner your a american in dire need of a blow job what a idiot

      • handgunnar

        Why is that you Democrat queers always fixate on oral sex? You must share the same impotent proclivities of your Muslim idol.

      • cattnipp

        I’m sorry, but your ravings have become completely unintelligible now, perhaps you should try either taking more meds…. or less

      • cattnipp

        two cases voter fraud that have been uncovered were one GOP politician who voted 7 times, who’s son almost went to jail for casting his own ballot because Daddy had already cast one in his name—– and the deceased girlfriend of another GOP politician who continued to vote via absentee ballot for 6 years after she died…. it was agreed that no charges would be pressed against the deceased if she never voted again……… In BOTH cases the GOP claimed it was proof that voter fraud did exist

      • handgunnar

        It took me 30 seconds to find these examples, with literally hundreds of others from which to choose. Of course, corrupt Democrat election officials who refuse to examine the evidence or prosecute also tend to make the numbers look artificially low.
        http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/bronx-politician-hector-ramirez-busted-fraud-charges-article-1.2229187

        http://www.justice.gov/file/3835pdf/download

        http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Philadelphia-Election-Officials-Voter-Fraud-Election-Fraud-304185341.html

        Of particular note is the fact that Pennsylvania attorney general, Kathleen Kane, also a Democrat, refused to prosecute the case. Like I said, it’s funny how incidences of voter fraud don’t show up when corrupt Democrat operatives refuse to investigate or enforce the law, isn’t it?

        In the ’08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close…After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election. During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race. Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong. Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

        In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee.

      • Ronnie Almond

        You might want to point out that all that oil is currently moved by Truckers or rail, so building the pipeline other than creating a few temporary construction jobs, will probably end up in a net loss of jobs when there is no longer a need for the trucks and rail workers.

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        excellent point. and if a truck dumps its a localized spill,,,,, doubtful to pollute an aquifer

      • cattnipp

        …. you posting lies does not turn them into FACTS…..

      • Paul Mundy

        this dude has not been rectal fed yet, someone get Cheney Bush here and water board this person back into reality.

      • cattnipp

        funny you should mention gunpoint……. and where did you get the lie that 72% of all Americans oppose the ACA? the bottom of your tea cup?

  • Dave Bayer

    Here’s

    • wendy

      Bravo

  • regressive white trash reli

    why are the “mods” here holding up my (below) post????

  • The majority of republican voters re-elected a legislature with an eleven percent approval rating for one reason only. Republicans are anti minority. They are anti black and anti brown and this common thread is enough to generate support from the bigoted electorate.

    • Evan Brandvold

      Here we go with the race bullshit. 90% of whites I’ve ever met could care less about the color of your skin. I’ve met way, way more racist blacks then whites. It’s not the whites fault that 65% of violent crime is committed by blacks. Don’t want to be treated like a criminal? Stop acting like one. Myself, like most conservatives, have no problem helping folks that need it. What I’m against is welfare as a career. When getting a raise means popping out another kid. I’m all for drug testing if you get assistance(but exclude Marijuana because most potheads won’t sell their food stamps if their out of weed). Welfare is the root cause of a lot of the problems in the Black community. When they got more money for not being married, not knowing who the father’s of their children were, that’s when the breakdown of the black family began. And it just snowballed to the out of control monster it is now. And as far a gays are concerned I don’t care who you sleep with or marry. Do I think it’s a sin? Yep sure do, but so is a bunch of other things and all sin is the same in God’s eyes and it’s not for us to judge. I agree that a lot of “christians” are batshit crazy and hypocrites and I don’t like organized religion for that very reason. I have had many gay friends and I don’t think it’s a choice or can be “cured”. What I and most conservatives believe in is a strong military, the government not sticking it’s nose in every little aspect of my life, strong work ethic, free market capitalism(news flash socialism DOES NOT WORK) everybody equal is a nice thought but everybody isn’t equal. Some are willing to work hard, some arent. Those willing to work hard should be rewarded for it. And liberals, stop getting your panties in a bunch over every little thing, political correctness has gotten way out of control. Your perpetual state of being offended is offending me so stop. Don’t like something suck it up and drive on. Ignore it and stop whining.

      • Rudder

        Well stated, but unfortunately most of the posters here won’t acknowledge what you say; it doesn’t mesh with their talking points. They insist we are all paranoid about “God, Gays and Guns” and that’s pretty much all they want to know. They cannot understand things like there is a difference between you and me reaching into our own pockets and helping the poor, and the state FORCIBLY taking from us via taxes and then redistributing it as THEY see fit. They don’t understand that GENERATIONAL WELFARE, like I’ve personally seen in communities, destroys the soul and work ethic of the recipient. They don’t understand that the Hobby Lobby decision isn’t so much about “controlling a woman’s body” as it is about making reasonable accommodations for a small, closely-held business to operate within the premise of their faith. (Hey Libs? 16 different forms of birth control out of 20 is PLENTY of choice; deal with it…)

        I think we’re wasting our time here. But I’m glad SOMEONE is at least trying to provide some common sense on this blog.

      • Evan Brandvold

        And boy do they love to cry racist. I don’t care if you’re purple, if your cool, I’m cool. If you’re an asshole, then I don’t want anything to do with you. Plain and simple. And if you’re pants are drooping then ya, I’m going to think you’re a thug and an dumbass. I’ve been pissing a lot of people off with my comments though and I love pissing off liberals. And I’m sure I’m gonna catch hell for my last statement that white males suffer the most discrimination of any group in this country.

      • Paul Mundy

        no Even your just a right winger troll is all

      • cattnipp

        of course they are……. they can parade the streets carrying weapons of war….. and scream at the police, even shoot at them, and get arrested and given a kevlar vest…….. but a black child with a BB gun gets murdered for making the police afraid ——– a white man can shoot up a church, kill 9 people for being black, and gets taken to burger king…….. but a black man gets executed for having a broken tail light ——— poor white dudes, how do you stand the oppression???

      • cattnipp

        so….. when some Scientologist refuses you access to any medical care because they personally do not believe in it you will be okay with that??? or if a Jew or Muslim wants to make bacon illegal because it is their religion, again you will support that? —— how about if the Duggars want to molest your daughters because it is the childs fault for being female and they need to learn to submit
        ?? it is their closely held belief after all…….

      • Rudder

        Just a little advice for you cattnipp: you may want to actually tailor your posts to the argument. If we are talking about a sweeping federal law that affects EVERYONE, your points would be somewhat relevant. But that’s not the case. Let’s say I run a business. I want an accommodation from the government that does NOT nullify the law, just modifies it in a reasonable way, that’s what’s going on here. All this talk about outlawing pork and people molesting children, it’s all over the place. It has little to no relevance to the topic. Maybe try again and relate these (ludicrous) examples to someone operating a closely held business where adults willingly choose to work, and we can discuss it. In fact, I’ll even grant you that if there was a law requiring bacon be served, and a Jew says no pork products can be served at his restaurant because it conflicts with his or her beliefs, he should be able to control that. Let’s call it a “Kosher” restaurant, OK?

        Alright, enough sarcasm. Did you know that when Prohibition was the law of the land, churches were given dispensation to have alcohol? That’s a “reasonable accommodation”. Even today, in the state of California it is illegal to throw anything on state roads with two exceptions: clear water and-chicken feathers! Yes, the poultry industry got dispensation because if they built transportation containers that were feather-proof, the birds tended to die, suffocated by the feathers milling about in the air. Reasonable dispensation. And not a single child molested in the process.

      • Meolili

        It is impossible to have “welfare as a career” anymore. The lifetime cap on actual cash assistance is 5 years. Be that all at one go or once every other year doesn’t matter. And welfare is far from free. All it is now is a loan that you get to pay back over time. The state wants to know exactly who the father of your children are in order to take him to court for you to receive child support. If you don’t know who that person is they will test every person you’ve ever slept with to find out. Then while you are still on assistance they are taking the child support to cover every dime they have given you. Sometimes more if you aren’t paying attention. So the structure of the “black family” may be broken. But the majority of welfare recipients are white. So even though you are tired of someone pulling the race card did you not just point your finger and black people as a whole?

      • Evan Brandvold

        I beg to differ on several of your points. While whites may have more people on welfare if you take the pecentage of the white population vs the percentage of the black population on welfare the black ratio is much higher. And I pointed out the problems in the Black community yes, but that is in no way racist. I don’t hate blacks, or anybody for that matter, stating problems in their community isn’t racist. And no welfare isn’t free, every hard working American pays for those who can’t or won’t work. And how many people do you know who are on welfare? I know too many to count and many of them have been on for way longer than 5 years. And many of them also sell their foodstamps to buy drugs. If drug testing and work requirements were required then not as many would qualify. And no they don’t test every person you’ve ever slept with. One of the biggest pet peeves of mine is any time a white says anything negative about blacks, or any minority, they’re a racist. The “it’s not my fault I’m a fuck up” attitude has got to stop. If your life sucks, look in the mirror because that’s where the majority of the blame lies. And “white privilege” is bullshit also. Saying that whites can’t experience racism is crap. I’m obviously white and I grew up in central NM at the peak of the Chicano pride movement and I experienced it almost on a daily basis, and still do to a lesser degree, so I know what it’s like and it’s wrong but I don’t cry around about it. I just ignore it. Democrats don’t want people off welfare. It’s how they control them. And they can say “look how much crap we give you, vote for us”. One of the main things conservatives believe in is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Liberals believe that big brother knows best. The government is supposed to serve us, not the other way around

      • Paul Mundy

        well Obama is taking care of it with health care most people stay on welfare because of our screwed up health care system it is a well known fact that countries with a one pay system have less welfare numbers than we do remember our government creates these trouble with bad ideas like reaganomics

      • cattnipp

        nahhhhh you’re not racist it is just that black folks are ‘less than’ poor you…. so misunderstood

      • Joseph Pajerek

        I am going to reply to you objectively. Getting rid of welfare and other things such as the minimum wage would be bad for over half of the population. It would be bad for working people, because with a bigger supply of labor, wages would drop. And it would be bad for the former benefit recipients simply because there would be no work for them, so they would starve to death on the streets. The simple fact is pure capitalism will only work for 1 in 10 people. The other 9 will be losers to varying degrees. Put it this way, I make quite a bit more than the average wage, but facts are I’m still one of those 9 people, I am just “less of a loser” than a winner. Capitalism in modern America where no new wealth is being created is a zero sum game. The people at the top are using rent seeking behavior to extract what little wealth everyone else has for themselves. In the old economy (pre 1973) where we had a manufacturing base, there was real wealth creation. But that economy is gone, all the wealth is created overseas and imported.

        Long story short, is under the current system, there is no work for the people you claim are lazy, and keeping them out of the labor pool actually benefits those who do work by reducing the supply of excess labor

      • Amy Lantz-Gresham

        90% of the whites YOU’VE met… have you met the entire population or just the martyrs that live in your general area?

      • Evan Brandvold

        I’ve lived all over the country and several places over seas, so I’ve met a a lot of people of about every race. And the majority of whites don’t care what color you are. I actually do judge people by the content of their character not by the color of their skin. Hell my kids are half Comanche. Hell white males are the most discriminated against group of people in this country (sure that statement is going to cause a liberal uproar). Women, minorities and gays can say any nasty thing they want about us, but we say one tiny thing criticizing them and we’re sexist, homophobic bigots. And because of affermitive action, even if we’re the most qualified for a job, there’s a good chance we won’t get it because a minority or woman will get it. I am very proud of my Viking ancestory, but I don’t hate anybody that isn’t white.

      • cattnipp

        spoken like one of the very few people whiter than me….. they do not care what color YOU ARE because YOU IS WHITE…….. fool

        I am not just white, but bright white, myself, but I lost a playmate at the young age of 5 because the ONLY hospital in our county did not give care to anyone not-white…….. they could not explain to me why her skin color made her less valuable at the age of 5 and today at 61 I still can not figure it out…

        and I am STILL ready to take on all stupid folks that do not care to see the injustice

      • Paul Mundy

        well it is the poor that the republicans create,s society monsters with there trickle down bullshit and heartless actions

      • ge205

        If you are against welfare for blacks, then surely you must be MORE upset about corporate welfare, correct?

      • Evan Brandvold

        I’m not against helping people, black or otherwise, I’m against supporting people that have no desire to work. I think that to get any public assistance you have to take a drug test (exclude Marijuana because stoners usually won’t sell anything of value to get high). Work requirements, espicially if they don’t have kids. Have a cap on the amount extra you can get for another kid. We cannot afford, as a country, to continue to fund lazy people that can work, but wont.

      • cattnipp

        I love how you think that ‘work requirements’ are all that is needed….. when there are no jobs…. well no jobs is a bit of a stretch, but 500 applicants for 3 jobs is almost like there being no jobs……… but then you probably think that folks should just work for $2 an hour so they at least have a job……. even if it cost them $7 to get there and $40 for daycare for the day.

      • Christopher

        Actually, Socialism was what created the middle class in the fifties and sixties. A Middle Class is not a natural by-product of unregulated capitalism. Also, how can you possibly sit there and say something that is neither a choice or cannot be ‘cured’ is a ‘sin?’ Seems like a massive contradiction to me. The thing with the drug-testing welfare recipients? It costs WAY more money than it saves, and this has been the case each time it has been implemented.

        You are correct though in a few of your points. Though we should not stereotype and profile, most violent crime is committed by blacks. But does that mean that we should treat all blacks as criminals, and say, choke them to death on street corners for telling a cop not to touch them (or as the NYPD calls it, ‘resisting arrest.’)

        There are a LOT of racist whites (a few even in congress) but I agree, the term is thrown around way to often. Two years I’ve been working graveyard shift at a convenience store, and for two years, been kicking the same black kids off the property for loitering, picking fights, etc…Every damn time, I hear them shouting how racist I am. So we’ve got a mix here. Racism is far from dead. But people these days (mainly punk kids who see it as a ‘get out of trouble free card) use the word so much it is losing it’s entire meaning.

        You’re spot on about Organized Religion, and while I’d go so far as to say anybody of ANY religion is crazy, as believing in anything in spite of (or sometimes because of) lack of evidence is by any stretch, crazy. And that goes for ideas like ‘If we cut taxes on the rich/’job creators’ that money will trickle down to you’ as well. No evidence should equal no support.

        You ideas on equity…confuse me. I agree that some are willing to work, and some are not. I’ve worked with both in my life. However, everyone should still have an equal chance to prove their worth, and then be paid what they are worth. I make only $8.35 an hour. I work eight hours a night, five nights a week. Most, if not every one of those nights, I am working by myself, meaning I’m not able to take a break (a fun little loop hole corporate loves to take advantage of). We are the busiest convenience store in town, as we are the only 24 hour store. I have called in sick 4 nights since January of Last year, and requested off even less. I am late rarely, and never more than about fifteen minutes. Despite everything, I have outlasted EVERYONE on the original staff, even out-lasted two managers. Yet the bubbly blonde idiot that got hired got nearly immediately promoted to co-manager and makes more than me after 3 months, and she shows up late EVERY morning, from 20 minutes to an hour, and her excuse is ‘Well, I’m just not a morning person.’

        The system is rigged, Evan. Not by the Over-reaching democrats, but by the greedy black-holes that are the corporate republicans. And the fact that after two years, proving what a loyal, hard working employee I am, I am making crap wages while corporate rakes in millions and tells me how horrible I’m doing and how I don’t need a raise. That’s your ‘Free-Market Capitalism’ for you. You penned yourself in with the system DESIGNED to let the big guys, f*** the little guys. And THAT offends me.

      • cattnipp

        65% of violent crime is NOT committed by blacks…… I love your claim that there is no racism and without even taking a breath you claim that all problems are caused by blacks—– it makes as much sense as the GOP claiming that the POTUS is causing race problems by being black—— you KNOW Obama only stays black to spite you don’t ya…. it is a CHOICE ya know

  • jonesesquire

    …gay “marriage” is stupid and wrong…and I’m not republican. I can’t answer for the rest of the nonsense listed.

    • regressive white trash reli

      marriage is either right or wrong,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      gay? straight? makes no difference

    • Steve Jones

      You’re right, let’s just classify it all as ‘marriage’ and not worry about which genders are involved. Because caring about that would be idiotic.

    • regressive white trash reli

      religion is ” stupid and wrong” yet we are legally bound to live with it. Gay marriage the same equality; >>>0r<<<< ….do U NOT believe in equality for ALL americans?

  • ZoomZoomDiva

    The primary issue is the article is written with the arrogant concept that the author knows what is in the best interests of other people, and the selfish concept that people should vote at least primarily in their best interests rather than for the nation one wants to see.

    • David Clover Dunlap

      Sorry, your wording is confusing. Could you explain a little more of what you are trying to say?

      • ZoomZoomDiva

        I have two issues that rankle me when someone says I am voting against my own best interests as a middle-class conservative. The first is that the speaker is claiming to know what is in my best interests when this person does not know me, knows nothing about me other than a statement about my income and my political beliefs. Those interests are generally also portrayed in the very limited view of maximum government support, rather than broader and perhaps less quantifiable concepts.

        The second issue is that it implies that I should be voting solely or largely for my best interests, no matter if I think that is good for that unit of government or not. That seems very selfish to me, particularly when I see people of all stripes seeking their concepts of a better nation/state/locality and an overall good.

        Let’s also be honest. Whether you call it the lesser of two evils or something else, it is almost impossible to find a party or candidate that one won’t disagree with in at least one significant way. A voter has to consider which positives one values most highly and the negatives that one considers least important or at least most manageable.

      • regressive white trash reli

        excellent post,,,,,,,,,,I am forced to ask:
        what EXACTLY are “conservatives” conserving? based upon the last 30 or so years it certainly is NOT fiscal prudence or EQUALITY for ALL americans; so what is it?

      • Wolverine

        I dunno, conserving white privilege maybe? Or maybe conserving the hold the elite has on the rest of us proles.

  • Chuck Cortes

    I can tell you why poor people vote for Republicans because once upon a time I too voted for them. I voted for W. Bush, something I am not proud of admitting.

    Its simple and Rubio pretty much nailed it on the dumbest phrase a politician could have ever made: “We have never been a nation of haves and have-nots. We are a nation of haves and soon-to-haves, of people who have made it and people who will make it.”

    This phrase is what Americans believe even before Rubio said it. The American Dream, the idea that you can make it, the house, the 2 cars, the 3 and a half kids, basically, every family TV show of the 80s. The irony is that we all know not everyone can make it. After all, someone has to work at McDonalds and BKs, right? But that doesn’t stop people from dreaming, and that doesn’t stop the Republican party from convincing the supposed “soon-to-haves” to vote for them on the premise that, once they get it, like you said, they will want to “cut their taxes and make it easier for them to become even more wealthy” too. And since they won’t need any of those benefits (Social Security, Medicare and welfare) it doesn’t bother them that they are cut in some way, that is, once they are haves. Not to mention that in the mean time they are trained, taught or brainwashed (take your pick) that taking these benefits is demeaning and makes you less patriotic when its basically the same thing as the subsidies large corporations get.

    I know because I use to think like this. I use to dream of being a haves. I still do, but I can’t do it while starving my family and giving more to those who have more than enough and are too selfish to share with those who help them make that money (employees). That’s why I eventually opened my eyes and saw the light. BTW, I was also a Fox News dork who believed everything I saw on that network until I saw something that even I had to admit was wrong regardless how much I had ignored i the past.

    • regressive white trash reli

      excellent post,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!! please read ‘AMERICAS CONSERVATIVE ROAD TO DESTRUCTION,,,,A BRIEF HISTORY”…..it will tell U all about what has been planned; what is happening and who is behind it–it started in the early 1950;s and chronicles who sold us out and why—-please read and share

    • wendy

      More people need to wake up.

    • Paul Mundy

      glad to see you woke up congratulations pray more do

    • Democrap

      Fantastic. May I ask what you saw on fox that opened your eyes?

  • Oberlund

    Please educate yourself before writing anything that tries to put down a group of people. Historically democrats were for slavery and against equal rights. As a poor “republican” is because we favor less government. The government’s help comes at to high a price. They get to stipulate how that help is given (which they should be able to dictate the terms that help is given) and therfore get to control far more than I think they should. It’s also because I think we should keep what we earn.

    Really though I’m more of a poor anarchist I suppose. All government has been corrupted abs the people need to be more in control of their lives. The fedral government shouldn’t have any control over anything but between state relations. Each state should dictate its own laws based on what the people in that state want. Then if your state passes a law you disagree with you can move to a state where the majority agrees with your point of view should you feel strongly enough.
    If people in Georgia don’t want abortion or gay marriage they shouldn’t have to pass laws that allow it. At the same time if people in Vermont want gay marriage and abortion they should be allowed to pass laws that do allow it.
    This was the original design of our government and it’s better because with so many people spread across so many regions a one size fits all policy for laws and regulations does not work. People in New York don’t know what is like to live in New Mexico and so shouldn’t get a say about what laws New Mexico needs to follow.
    It’s not the federal government’s job to tell is people what they can and cannot do, it’s the people’s job to tell the federal government what it can and cannot do. The fedral government’s only job is to solve disputes of Commerce between states so Tennessee can’t rip off Missouri because Missouri allows something Tennessee is against or just because.
    It’s never been about improving my own life and status, it’s always about ensuring my children have the ability to be successful without needing the government’s help or approval and without the government interfering in their success or forcing them to follow regulations they disagree with because someone 5 states away thinks it’s a good idea because of what’s happening there.

    • regressive white trash reli

      wrong answer– states tried to keep equal rights (in 1960’s ) from happening in THEIR white trash regressive religious states) and FEDERAL govt stepped in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I suppose that’s BIG GOVT? sorry shitbag; that’s equality. same with gay marriage. we do NOT need some behind the times religious scumbag trash legislation telling americasn ” this is what (our) god wants”… im not moving from MY state ( se florida broward country) because some needle dicked crybaby religious ( VOODOO) trash doesn’t like homosexuality – which does NOT infringe or impinge upon his lifestyle.
      you don’t like “big” govt? how about BIG GOVT shitbag white trash losers telling women they cannot have an abortion? they MUST look at a taxpayer paid useless ultra-sound before they have an abortion?? how about state BIG GOVT which tries forcing OTHER religions from having EQUAL RIGHTS as THEIR voodoo/superstitious “Christianity” has the equality??? how about states decrying “BIG GOVT (federal) INTRUSION”….but whe a hurricane or tornando hits,,,these same shitbag backwards white trash religious states cry cry cry for “federal aid”???
      the FEDERAL government is deigned to GOEVERN the UNITED states; yet white trash regressives do NOT want the states UNITED: so– go ahead and secede!!! don’t ask for ANY help– especially monetarily and MILITARILY– that would be ” BIG GOVERNMENT intrusion”

      • wendy

        I just said the same thing, only dufferent words…should have read your post first. Would have said ‘ditto’…lol

      • regressive white trash reli

        yeah bay–bee!!

    • wendy

      So become the Divided States of America is the answer. If ur ever in a disastrous situation, hope you and ur rich neighbors can rebuild on your own. Start saving because the conservative denied climate change might surprise u.

    • wendy

      And kudos for u having all the college $$ needed to help your kids become successful. Our future should count on only privileged kids. Poor kids, good luck to u

    • Paul Mundy

      that is like saying if the south want slavery and oppression should allow it please this dude has not been rectal fed yet, someone get Cheney Bush here and water board this person back into reality.

  • aw3som3

    it surprises you? wow. the moon must be a great place to live. jews? communists? i guess you must consider this an extra, a plus, when voting ‘democrat’. lol. no thanks. i could be poor, broke, homeless and one foot and a half in the grave. keep those jews away from me. abortion, guns, gay marriage. lmao. i can give the last hoot. steering clear of genocidal communism is what a real vote is for. #dtj

    • guest

      Please don’t breed. Unless you are sexually fond of dogs or cats, if they want you at all.

      • aw3som3

        i believe it’s jews who practice sexual penetration on dogs, or not?.. why so bashful suddenly?

  • Cin5456

    It’s about race relations. Republicans don’t want any. When you look at a map of Republican controlled states it looks nearly like a map of the Confederacy, with a few other states drawn in by populations that resettled in the north and northwest after losing the war ruined the south for them. The bigotry and racism is so rampant among southern conservatives that they have to deny its existence to get out from under their most obvious fault. They make up all kkkinds of excuses to vote with their hatred/fear, and even convince themselves with convoluted reasoning. There is no humanistic cause on earth that will make them vote Democratic as long as liberals have other races voting for them. They will allow their own lives and work to be degraded, their own benefits taken away, their own children to starve and go uneducated before they will side with those “n– lovers.” Mark my words, those voters will never vote their own interests before they vote their hatred. And as they raise their children with the same prejudices as they hold, it will perpetuate for generations to come.

    • Wolverine

      Hit the nail right on the head there. Very well and truthfully said.

  • Giordan

    they watch too much Faux Noise. That’s what.

  • June Goetz Lynne

    Absolutely viable questions … I have yet to hear answers that make any sense … the whole stomping the feet and saying because I said so just doesn’t hold water for me .. as a past Republican I asked myself these same questions and discovered this party had only rhetoric and no answers … so while your banging your drums loudly, the rest of us are quietly working very hard to make this country a better place to live, work, and raise a family.

  • Danny Belcher

    All we have to know is that the South and the majority of white males were Democrats before the Civil Rights Amendment passage in 1964. Then it was as if a “Grand Wizard” waved his wand because the South flipped completely and joined the party of LINCOLN…….

  • Rudder

    From time to time I read articles like this, and I just shake my head. The whole “I -don’t-get-how-you-could-be-a-Republican” thing, followed by a bunch of straw man arguments which are knocked down. Your whole premise is insincere. Why don’t you just write another “You’re stupid if you’re a Republican and you aren’t rich!” article. Ah, but then you wouldn’t stick out and get noticed.

    If you really want to know why people like myself are Republicans: middle-class, church going, family-raising, God-fearing,-and I just happen to be Black- then how about demonstrating your sincerity? Ask the question, SHUT THE HECK UP, and then HONESTLY LISTEN. Don’t try to provide silly straw men; let one of us TELL you what drives us. OF course, this entire blog is not about finding common ground or seeking understanding. It’s about “stir(ing) the pot for the Progressive movement” You guys have fun listening to your echo chamber.

    • Jim Valley

      I notice that despite the ease of “knocking down” the “straw man” arguments that made you so angry, you didn’t actually knock any of them down. In fact, you didn’t mention or identify any of them. Instead you issued a whiny rant.

    • Nrob

      Please explain why… No condescension or malice intended… Just an actual curiosity.

      • Rudder

        Explain why I’m a Republican? Sure. I started out as a Democrat, just like most people of color. As I got older I saw how the policies of the Democratic Party-massive social spending, redistributing wealth from the “haves” to the “have-nots”, the attempts to impose “equality”, were actually hurting the people they were supposed to be helping. I graduated college and, went to Virginia to be with my fiancee. Being idealistic I looked for a job-any job- and got the best one I could find, selling insurance. I was calling on people living in Section 8 housing. They had nice digs, nice clothes, but no jobs. They weren’t interested in getting a job. The way the system worked, they would lose benefits if they actually got jobs. That bothered me. With no work ethic, there were generations of people who never married (would lose benefits), and had children they could not afford, knowing they’d get more benefits from Uncle Sam. My wife and new kid were barely able to feed ourselves, yet this entire generation felt they were “owed” a standard of living from the government. And my party was against Welfare Reform! This started me thinking seriously about my political beliefs

        Later in life, I started my own business. I worked hard, provided a service, took care of my customers, and after some time I actually turned a profit! And then it was taxed. Heavily. I calculated that I’d have done better working for Pizza Hut. Nevertheless I gave personally to charity, because I was taught growing up that was the thing to do. My neighbors, all shipyard workers making TONS more, didn’t give to charity, because “that’s what Welfare is for”. They also went out on disability for long periods of time, which was odd because they spent all day playing
        basketball. So in five years I learned that Democratic policies zapped work ethic, killed a desire to support charity, and taxed heavily to pay for programs that nobody was even monitoring to make sure they were working.

        Later on I saw things I thought made sense: line item veto, privatizing Social Security so I could manage my own retirement and pass on what was in my account to my kids, school choice if my local school sucked, were all OPPOSED by Democrats. Black neighborhoods have some of the WORST schools, and without vouchers many of the best and brightest are stuck in drug and crime infested schools. If I’m smart enough to manage to buy a house and save for anything from a car to a nice vacation, why can’t I control my mandated retirement saving account? By this time I’d moved to California, which is run by Democrats, and it was clear that there was NEVER enough government spending. The correct amount is “A little bit more”. (Look, I know Republicans also have a spending habit, but they don’t hit up “the wealthy” for more money when they run out. You can only borrow so much, so there’s a built in cap they’ll eventually hit. Hopefully they’ll be voted out as bad stewards before that happens.)

        Finally, I believe in freedom. Sounds hokey, but I think you can either have freedom or equality. Freedom by definition means inequality. If I work harder than you or longer than you and I make more than you, don’t PUNISH me by saying you want to tax me to “level the playing field”. (This is exactly what Sen. Warren said in a recent tweet after the SOTU.) It is not GREEDY for me to want to keep what I’ve earned. The guy that maybe didn’t take a risk and start a business or maybe decided a 40 hour work week was all he needed has made a decision financially. Freedom means sometimes you fail, sometimes you score HUGE. If someone does the former than he gets some help from family, friends, charities, mentors and gets back on their feet. The safety net is not a chaise lounge! If they do the later, they donate to charity, provide mentoring to less fortunate, invest in building businesses that provide jobs to the community, you name it. You don’t force them to surrender monies to the government so it can be willy-nilly handed out.

        It was a sad day when the centrists in both parties were forced to take a side. That used to be where things got done. People like Truman and JFK would be Republicans today, and people like Jack Kemp and Nelson Rockefeller would be Democrats. Until that middle ground is re-established, there is no room for me in today’s Democratic Party.

      • Paul Mundy

        well if obama care was started earlier a person would not have to stay on welfare to keep there health care there are a lot of people on aid that are far from lazy but the system creates this crap get back in the real world sounds like your a boat with a broken rudder

      • Rudder

        There are BETTER solutions to healthcare than getting the government involved. Really. That’s an entirely different conversation. The best solution for people needing government services to make ends meet is for them to have JOBS. If the government promotes an environment for those who WANT to work to find decent jobs, they can afford to prosper without a government handout.

    • Paul Mundy

      oh wow sounds like a uncle tom republitard who would feed his own kind out for the right price

      • Rudder

        Wow. That was original. You are the FIRST PERSON ever to make the racist assumption that a black person HAS to be a democrat, because of course we all think alike and (to you) probably look alike. Get back under your white hood Paul.

      • Joseph Pajerek

        Do you realize that if all people on benefits worked that it would lower wages for everyone else because it would increase the size of the labor pool in relation to the amount of jobs available. Not everyone can win in capitalism, so we can either execute the losers, or we can at least support them AND keep them out of the labor pool, which IS beneficial for people who do work!

      • Rudder

        Most economists consider an unemployment rate of about 4% to be “full employment”. You will have people moving in and out of jobs, either by choice or involuntary termination. People die and make vacancies. Some get pregnant and leave the job market to become full-time parents. Others quit and start businesses, becoming a new source of jobs. A healthy economy has a SMALL, temporary pool of unemployed. That’s normal. A large, habitual pool, made possible by overly generous benefits, is not normal and should be avoided.

  • David Ramatowski

    Typical mindless bleating that perpetuates the erroneous belief that there are 2 political parties. There is only one party. THE BIG GOVERNMENT PARTY! Drones. Bzzzzz. Bzzzzzz!

  • Ray

    Could be because the industries that the Democrats despise so much are the ones who paid middle class wages and the fact that a product was produced enabled the company to provide health care to their employees? When a minimum wage job created a work record that could be used to step up to better jobs rather than calling for higher minimum wages? Could it be that they’re tired of every facet of their lives being controlled? Of course I’m old enough to remember these things.

    • Christopher

      Apparently you’re also old enough to suffer dementia…We aren’t demanding a ‘higher minimum wage.’ We just want one adjusted for inflation. The minimum wage used to be something you could live off of. Now people need two or three of these jobs just to stay in the black every month.

      • Ray

        No dementia, the memory is still quite clear. Minimum wage was raised to $1.65 when I started working. It was never enough to buy a house, run a family or pay expenses. Used my work record to raise myself out of the trash bin you are happy in, Got a truck license and moved up to Teamster wages then passed civil service tests and went to a State job with benefits and retirement. If you want, minimum wage will never allow you to achieve your goal

  • Sean Murphy

    I don’t know, maybe it is the sort of condescension that this article drips with that makes us want nothing to do with ‘progressives’? Maybe your efforts to ‘understand’ people who vote republican are disingenuous and the truth is you long ago passed judgement on us and there is nothing we can say or do that would help you understand?

  • Jim Valley

    I have wondered about this very same thing for YEARS. Watching republican voters is like watching a bunch of chickens re-elect Col. Sanders over and over and over, each time asking, “What’s for dinner?”

  • Behning Brad

    I hate a big bloated, invasive, corrupt government. There are so many laws now that you need a form to apply to smoke a cigarette. That’s why I vote GOP. They are in front of free markets, personal responsibility and self reliance. The Dems are nothing more than socialists who push ever expanding programs that never solve problems rather than sets them further down the road for the next generation to deal with.

    • Christopher

      Personal responsibility…like when they passed an expensive, unbudgeted prescription drug plan, started two wars based on lies, crash the economy by slashing taxes and thus eliminated the funds for the previous two projects…and then blamed it on the democrats. And somehow, their base, like you, believes them. Despite the fact that it happened BEFORE the dems took office.

      • Christopher

        Or how about when Ted Cruz and his ilk shut down the Government, and then every republican went crazy, calling it ‘Obama’s Shut-Down.’ Was any personal responsibility taken for that?

  • corvinus

    Perhaps Republican policies are better for the wealthy. But the Democrats shot themselves in the foot with straight white men by giving feminazis, race hustlers, and homosexual activists an uncritical platform for their idiocy.

  • Bob Johnson

    Poorer Republicans are generally white Christian Americans – That’s the tribe they belong to, and Republicans do a very good job of vowing to protect their tribe from the threats that other tribes pose. On the other hand, Democrats want things to be good for every tribe, and want to help tribes that you view as a threat, so why in God’s name would you ever want to vote for them ?

  • Buckfan149

    It is latent racism due to the color of our president’s skin.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      Which color skin are you talking about? The black half or the white half?

  • Frank Gavere

    You really dont get it, & that smug ,Know it all attitude will never get you there, but lets just say theres no reason to vote FOR the liars; who, try to push their moral incompetences,& social causes forward regardless of the cost, or truth. Hillary, Billy, & the Obamas are people who have a point of view unemcombered by current realitys & we choose to disagree with them. It is becouse we disagree which makes this country stronger.

    • Christopher

      I’m sorry, but which reality are YOU living in, because Obama’s point of view is that we need to actually work at improving the country, not just sitting around patting ourselves on the back for being so star-spangled awesome. THAT is the correct view (yes, believe it or not, one side can simply be ‘wrong’.) The first step to solving problems are to admit we have them. For example, this is why Fox News is rated the biggest liar in terms of ‘news’ organizations.

  • John Moser

    It’s because some of us don’t think the solution to everyone’s problems is taxing “the rich” 50%, 60%, 80%. Everyone picks a position they don’t like and takes the perceived opposite, thanks to the fallacy of false dichotomy and the fallacy of fear.

    I’ve already solved poverty; it’ll take a modest tax increase that really puts the whole tax system out-of-whack, and so a rebalance of the tax brackets and corporate taxes is needed. After rebalancing, the system’s largely the same; but I’ve calculated some 1%-3% tax increase on that 39.6% tax bracket, instead of 10%-40% that’s being argued for. Given the system growth, I can probably do it on 0% tax increase now; but I haven’t checked feasibility to determine if it would remain durable against a 2007-style economic downturn (5% total revenue drop), and currently advocate the original position. The forward synthesis is hard: in reverse, we know it wouldn’t work; going forward, the new market condition would have an impact on how housing prices and even costs scale.

    End result? No homelessness, no hunger. Poverty obliterated.

    I’m trying to fix the education system, too, but it’s hard, and I don’t have a plan (I have pieces). Even then, I get the same problem: Nobody wants to listen. Lots of direct math showing exactly where the money comes from; lots of indirect math proving that it works; risk analysis; transitional plans; an outline of all the things that can, should, and will go wrong, and how they’re controlled; and dangling questions like precisely what tax brackets to outlay and how to adjust corporate income tax, and nobody wants to discuss or promote it.

    Once you free your mind of the notion of parties and political positions, you can do whatever you want; and so nobody tells me what to do, and there is no preconception of what to do. So I solve the world’s problems on the back of a napkin in a few hours, and find answers that don’t share any of the negative aspects of anything anyone else wants to do, yet outperform all of the positive aspects in every possible way. It’s a defect you can emulate: stop giving a shit about what others think when faced with complex problems, and they’ll solve themselves right in front of you.

  • Kevin H.

    Absolutely and totally in agreement. I.JUST.DON’T. GET. IT. What is it that causes people to vote directly against their own interests? Anyone truly know the answer?

  • Bike55

    Poor and middle class that vote republican? Here are 10 reason why.

    The FBI recently released 2013’s top 10 most dangerous cities and surprise! They’re all run by Democrats. Patriot Nation News breaks down the cities and their Democratic mayors:

    Camden, NJ —Mayor Dana Redd, Democrat
    Flint MI — Mayor Dayne Walling, Democrat
    Detroit MI — Mayor Dave Bing/Mike Duggan, Democrat(s)
    Oakland, CA — Mayor Jean Quan, Democrat
    St. Louis, MO — Mayor Francis Slay, Democrat
    Cleveland, OH — Mayor Frank Jackson, Democrat
    Gary, IN — Mayor Karen Freeman-Wilson, Democrat
    Newark NJ — Mayor Corey Booker/Luis Quintana, Democrat(s)
    Bridgeport, CT — Mayor Bill Finch, Democrat
    Birmingham, AL — Mayor William A. Bell, Democrat

  • G Kraus

    History repeats itself.During the Civil War most Confederate troops owned no slaves and fought and even died for a small group on top of their society that controlled enourmous amounts of wealth and owned other human beings.

  • Albi Beziera

    Thanks to all the awesome technology that have been claimed to make life busier for always busy Americans a lot of these folks are now lazy and feel entitled to a standard of living they don’t work for.

  • Rick Marshall

    I think often an extremely important point is being missed. Many people republican because the Republican Party is seen as being fairer. You work your whole life to get a little something, to try to educate your children, to be able to retire someday. You see that getting further and further out of reach. Meanwhile people that refuse to work as hard as you do cut in line ahead of you. You’ve never asked for a handout, you don’t want money from others. You just want what’s fair. That’s all, just what’s fair.
    It’d we want to argue for a more progressive path we have the harder argument. Government can’t easily work on the individual level. It works best when planning for large groups. We have to argue that “what works best isn’t always fair to all”. Maybe if we’re honest with ourselves and our conservative friends we will succeed better.
    For instance I was taking to an army staff Sargent last week. He asked me what I thought of Obama’s community college idea. (He was against it) I told him that u had taught at a community college and most of my students were very weak. However my own son just started college and had friends from school districts on Long Island and other wealthy areas that were starting college with as many as 60 credits. That means that their first one or two years of college are eliminated. That also means that they could save huge amounts of tuition money. If we make good use of community college many but not all people we be able to do that. Bringing the cost of a degree way, way down. That benefits everyone. Even if it’s only a portion of people that can take advantage of the offer. He changed his view.
    Let’s be honest and tell,the real reason we want to do something. Not present it as a gift, but as a benefit to society as a whole. Isn’t that what patriotism is all about anyway?

  • immortalwombat10 .

    I am actually uniquely gifted with both being poor, being a republican, and having a tremendous amount of republican friends who are also poor. And the answer that i receive most often is not abortion, its not gay marriage, and its not guns. Its simple economics.

    You can’t think that throwing more money (even if that money only comes from rich people) will solve a problem that stems from the mishandling of the money we now have.

    It really is as simple as that.

    • immortalwombat10 .

      Also, why are there so many poor and middle class republicans, and yet so few democrats who don’t fit the traditional stereotypes?

  • chriscerrillo

    Its quite obvious that modern democrats/progressives/liberals don’t understand market economics and cry for government stimulus any chance they can get it. Our monetary policy is completely unsustainable and dems want to completely run in into the ground by attempting to tax and legislate our country into prosperity. The only true sustainable growth comes from market freedom. When will democrats go back to their socially liberal and fiscally conservative roots

    • Nathaniel

      100-200 years form now market freedom will not be very sustainable

  • Lindsay Barnes

    To us Norwegians, USA looks like the utter nightmare place to have to live. Yours is a life of despair, of no job security, no lawful right to vacation, low salaries, unaffordable healthcare, unaffordable education. We have it all here in Norway. No poor people here in Norway, no homeless, no foreclosed homes or pathetic employers offering 7 bucks an hour. Free higher education, universal healthcare. We`ll take our socialism anyday, anytime, anywhere to your concervative decadence. To us Obama is a concervative, not liberal at all. And the GOP are fascist Nazis by our definition.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      Lindsay, this is a little off topic maybe, but I would love to wallow in your goo

  • harleydavidson

    you forgot to mention – Welfare, Illegal Immigration, Political Correctness

  • Jay

    Possessions and materialism. That’s what’s wrong with them. They go out and work hard and take risks and start businesses and pay their taxes. The greedy a holes, constantly scrimping and working the extra hours to earn that all powerful dollar. Nothing noble in it. It’s not like getting involved and getting elected and going to Washington and dedicating yourself to fighting for the little guy. You might only make about $130K – $250K a year. But when you are done, you will some how be worth tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. But you meant well. Because you weren’t greedy.

  • Lipstick Lesbian

    The Republican Party is the party of handouts for the filthy rich and their corporations at the expense of poor and middle class Americans.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      Hillary would be devastated to see you left her out of that group.

  • Jeff Melear
  • Justin

    Okay….. But you seem to think that the Dems are gods right? They do no wrong? They are perfect in your eyes? Please….. You seem to think that Obama hasn’t put this country into even more debt? I bet you think the unemployment percentage is about 0% right? And i bet you think that people who work at McDonald’s deserve $15 dollars a hour right? While people who are CNA’s, people work in homles, and cater to the elderly only deserve to make $9 dollars a hour right? Does that seem fair to you?

    Okay…. Now lets talk about gun rights! So are you going to blame all these shootings on Republicans? Cause we obey the gun laws. 99% of those shootings were on “Gun free Zones”, implemented by your lovely Democrats. Let’s blame that on Bush!

    Okay…. Abortion. Do i agree with it? No. Do i believe women have rights to say what they want done with their body? Yes. Do I think it’s right for women to kill a baby after it’s been in her for 4-5 months cause she doesn’t want it anymore? Heck no!!! Give it up, there are plenty of people out there who are barren. I’m sure they would be blessed if they could have that child. If you were raped, and become pregnant, then get it done right away. Don’t wait 4-5 months, and then complain because the doctors told you no. Because i know they wouldn’t want to look at that child with out knowing how they got it.

    Okay….. I’m a republican, will I be voting for that old hag hillary? Fuck no, why would you? Do you really want that to be your next president. Lie after Lie after Lie. That’s all that is going to happen. If you vote for any of those democrats, then you confirmed the the fate of this once great nation. They will destroy this place, and give it the name shit hole. Heck even the republican candidates aren’t even that great. You want a president for the people, for the land. Get rid of the Big Business Banks. The most corrupt reason for these corrupt presidents. I’m not voting for any of them. But i mine as well vote for Trump. He is the only one who will say the truth, even though you don’t want to hear it.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      Now that was elegant and precise. Good Rant, Justin!
      Yep, in 50 years, we will be, The United Shithole of America. “Come and get your free shit”!

  • jeffsters

    The party convinces these people that it’s not them that’s to blame for their condition but the “significant other to hate” liberals, immigrants, women, gays, etc., that have created a situation where they have been prevented from becoming rich but one day they will be!

    So join with the Republican party so when you are rich like us you won’t be taxed and prevented from making even more! So you see someone that makes $15 hr doing some manual labor job picketing an increase in the estate tax. This person actually believes that one day, if we can just get rid of the policies of the liberals, immigrants, women, gays that they too will be subject to the tax!

    It’s the same psychology used throughout history really as everyone want to believe that anything that’s negative in their life is due to factors outside their control and that one day they too will share in the bounty.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      What idiot is going to pay someone $15 to pick up trash???
      I could do it myself in half the time and not have to pay anyone a salary, or health care.
      People get paid what they’re worth. Yes, the rich stay rich and some poor people will get rich as well. Things aren’t always fair in this world, they just ARE! Get over it and move on. Or work harder and smarter. Don’t stand in line with the complaining losers who keep telling you that you can’t (democrats), and will never rise up and accomplish anything. You will become one of them yourself. They don’t care about you.

  • Wolverine

    White pride worldwide! Us workin clas publicans are beter than u no gud plowltareeuts lol feg.

  • Sebastian Dangerfield

    The Right Wing opinions here are so revealing. The Conservatives have been accurately banking on P.T. Barnum tactic of cultivating suckers for so long now and people keep drinking the kool-aid. Some people just cannot or will not see the truth that is right in front of them. One of the first responses cited Pride as a reason for voting Republican…I’m pretty sure that Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. These people are just under educated and have no clue as to what critical thinking even means…so hypocritical without even realizing that they are just tools, soldiers in the consumer army that perpetuates an elite class of oppressors. it is up to every individual to take personal responsibility regarding a concept of the Social Contract. I am so tired of living in a country of ignorant, prejudiced, entitled and spoiled dullards. Education is the first issue that should be reformed, made free and enforced.

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      The Left Wing opinions here are so revealing. The Liberals have been accurately banking on P.T. Barnum tactic of cultivating suckers for so long now and people keep drinking the kool-aid. Some people just cannot or will not see the truth that is right in front of them. One of the first responses cited Pride as a reason for voting Democrat…I’m pretty sure that Pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. These people are just under educated and have no clue as to what critical thinking even means…so hypocritical without even realizing that they are just tools, soldiers in the consumer army that perpetuates an elite class of oppressors. it is up to every individual to take personal responsibility regarding a concept of the Social Contract. I am so tired of living in a country of ignorant, prejudiced, entitled and spoiled dullards. Education is the first issue that should be reformed, made free and enforced.

  • hey harold

    Most democrat things don’t benefit me and never will. I grew up in liberal democratic California, and all those democratic policies ever did was give money to the VERY poor (keeping the lower and center middle class in their place). When I was in high school we stopped qualifying for some benefits such as free meals and stuff like that. Middle class still has to pay up the ass for education while I’ve met poor people who literally paid a dollar for college. It’s sad because people from California move to other states for better opportunities, but keep the liberal politics that ran California into the ground in the first place. The Democratic Party favors the very poor and a few rich liberal politicians. The Republican Party at least spreads some of the wealth and jobs. Really neither party is for the middle class, but as you can see in this article democrats are very condescending, and usually upper middle class white. They hate upper middle class minorities and want them to stay in the lower class, which is why they cut benefits at a certain point. Also why a lot of Mexican businessmen are republicans.

  • Howard Skip Winskunas

    When are the democrats going to take all of the money away from the wealthy and give it to the less fortunate? I don’t want obamacare and lower taxes, I want cash! It’s not fair that some people make so much money. When are they going to take Bill Gates’ billions away from him and hand it out to the rest of the people. Warren Buffett doesn’t need so much money. Let’s just take it.
    That’s the only way to solve income inequality. Its all about the benjamins. They need a lot of money because they spend a lot of money. Well we need a lot more money because we want to spend a lot more money. Cmon dems, WTF, Hillary & Bill time to share the wealth! Not your stupid social programs, we want your cash.

  • Widge

    Because of a well regulated military force, the people must be allowed to bear arms. If you think we can’t fight against drones and tanks, refer to: ‘The Battle of Athens’. That will be all from me until you have something meaningful to say about when armed US citizens exercised their 2nd amendment right to overthrow a corrupt government within the past 100 years. There’s also the Bundy ranch, but go on and believe the citizens can’t make the government stand down.

  • jason

    I think I can try to shed some light… I feel like the Republican Party is at least trying to have a system that sustains the general lifestyle we get to have and stick to the constitution that allowed us the good fortune of just by being inside these boarders and want that same thing for our children and grandchildren and even further down the line. How about the fact that there are Christians on both sides of the isle it seams the policies of republicans actually reflect biblical principals. Motivation is a funny thing, when you tax people and tax people and tax people then tell them to pay people more and more wages and provide healthcare and matching social security and unemployment on top of that employees become extremely expensive. thwre is an inherent balance that must be met. When people without jobs have cell phones, Internet, cable, food… Where is the motivation to work? See, in theory this is a nice thing but if you amortize it out over time you have more and more people looking over at these folks and saying, “I’m not doing much better that them”. As those people exit the “contributor” pool and jump into the “recipient/welfare pool” that becomes less and less doable over time. Fifty percent of us don’t pay taxes already. Politics is a tough game and it’s hard to sift through all the rhetoric but if this isn’t tongue in cheek I’d love to have a back and fourth with the author. I truly try to seek every bit of info I can out and it comes out conservative. I think you have to understand human motivation, economic policy, care about things beyond your generation and even your lifetime. I believe in being a good steward of what I’ve been blessed to have in being an American. 75% of this country still identifies as Christian yet we are told we aren’t a Christian nation. As a Christian I can love every person I come in contact with, treat them with respect and dignity, even love some people more than they love themselves. Tell me, if a Christian man opens his life to all people without judgement and say befriends a homosexual who he opens his heart, home, family to. Who only gets excited when his old friend comes back around and never shows anything but the love of Christ towards this person… How is it that if asked, do you believe homosexuality is a sin and they answer according to the biblical principals they have openly shown as the value set they stand for they are suddenly a bigot? A hate monger? Cmon, that’s what the bullies in the national media push for and politicize and it couldn’t be further from the truth. How about I could walk in a Starbucks as a Christian, come across a barista that is a Christian in a country where 75% identify as Christian and have to wonder if we can wish each other a Merry Christmas. Why do we have to give up a harmless and beautiful thing so as not to possibly offend someone who may or may not be there listening to our interaction that has nothing to do with them. I don’t want free want free stuff I want my freedom. I want my grandchildren to live in a land where hope and faith and dreams are still possible and innocence doesn’t have to be afraid of brutality in the name of Choice. I believe that the gun control laws have been so hard line because the party of the democrats has changed so much under this leadership that it’s obvious the moment you weaken your stance you can say goodbye to that freedom all together. I believe the numbers that get glossed over all the time that murder rates in cities with the toughest gun laws are the worst in America… That cities that have held a foothold of democratic leadership for twenty and thirty years are NOT getting better. That of course everyone has heard this one and make fun of it as uneducated but go ahead (I’m at least trying to answer the question) but I believe that the concept that making guns illegal will stop criminals from havin guns is ludicrous (it disarms the law abiding citizens). Just this week in NC a grandfather was armed and able to save his wife and teenage granddaughter from attempted rape with his gun. Will you see it on national news? How many mass killings have been thwarted by law abiding gun carriers? Many more than have not but where is the media in this? Do we have all the information here? Ok, I tried to help… Just a dumb Podunk with no compassion

    • Joseph Pajerek

      You know that police departments were set up because of capitalism? Because the wealthy knew that less fortunate people would get fed up eventually and try to take something for themselves. Without the massive police forces we have now, I don’t think capitalism would still exist today

      • Howard Skip Winskunas

        Yes, imagine me not wanting someone too steal the fruits of my hard labor.They should be shot, right Joseph?

    • Howard Skip Winskunas

      God lord, Jason, well said. But no lib is going to make it through your diatribe. That would require them to think…something they are adverse to.

  • Aajaxx

    Maybe because Democrats want to regulate and tax your employer out of existence, or at least chase them off to Mexico, and you out of a job? Anyone can see that Democrats and Progressives are economically toxic, and all their promises of goodies are worthless if the country is broke. Republicans are almost as bad economically in other ways, but not nearly so obviously.

  • 82ATW

    A liberal is someone who loves the poor except for everything they think, everything they say and everything they do.

  • fuzzball

    And their hero Reagan passed the largest peace time tax increase in American history. On top of that they have lied constantly about almost everything, lied to get us into a war to settle a grudge match Bush had, and want to do away with medicare and let the poor die from lack of medical insurance and I always thought lies and killing, and murder were against the Ten Commandments! So much for their “christian” beliefs. Also they claim to be strongly supportive of Jews but don’t let them into their country clubs, or condominium associations! They support them as long has they know how to keep in their place. The poor, middle-class, young, elderly, minorities who support them make me think that they are like Jews who on hearing Hitler was going to build camps for them would have thought he was a wonderful man..”Look he his going to give us work and a place to live! What a wonderful man!” Trump is going to build a wall so we can have jobs (except he isn’t, the GOP relies on illegals to keep wages down and unions weak…ever see any business leaders go to jail for hiring illegals?? The law is already on the books but it would send GOP voters to jail and all they wanted was more profit by lower wages.) I am going to bring jobs back to America…except it is the GOP that is sending them overseas to make more profit. Never will happen unless American agree to a wage cut and longer hours.

  • BluesmanCD

    I do NOT want another Republican president, but this is a poor, poor, argument for the Ds to be making, especially during *this* presidential election. Many pundits on the left ask “why don’t *those people* vote their economic interests” as if the national Democratic party has anything better to offer. We are now in more than two decades of the national leadership selling out the unions and the workers for corporate sponsorship. The poor working people at large might at least give the Republicans some grudging respect for being honest about not giving a sh*t about them, instead of “feeling our pain” during the process of diverting our treasure to Wall Street and the war machine.

    …and the reason it makes a poor argument is look who the “presumptive nominee” is, the partner of the leader of that economic shift. Thank you, Bubba. If the national Democrats hadn’t hosed Bernie before the election had cast a vote, the story might be different. In fact I’d bet that if the DNC hadn’t stacked the deck ahead of time, Elizabeth Warren would have ran and we would be having a very different conversation right now.

  • Kevin McDonough

    And the liberal bullshit train keeps chugging along.

  • Brian

    Simple. We want our jobs to stay in America, we don’t want to pay gor illegal immigrants and minorities who refuse to work, and we’re tired of being forced to tolerate a system that favours marginal minority groups. Liberals alienated the working class. Get used to saying “president Trump”

  • Barzuma

    In a phrase; “Father Figure” They need a Father Figure in their lives, and they have to be a Father Figure in their houses. This is why they look up to Trump, the rich, the White people of the Republican Party; these are their Father Figures, the ones who provide them with structure and discipline and hand out punishment for those who are “bad children.” This is why they have to have full control in their own lives, and are so furious when they can’t keep the gays in the closet and women in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.

    To put it even simpler, what they want is Power. Social, economical, physical, legal, legislative, etc.. The Rich have power (economically, thru their social standing, because they influence the legislative process, and so on) so poor conservatives flock to them, eager to polish their wingtips, just so they can get at least a dripping of that power.

    At the very core of every Republican, Conservative, Right-winger, etc., is the lust for power. Power for the sake of power.

  • newredpill

    Seriously, for those who don’t think classism exists in this country, how many of you average folks hobnob with millionaires, billionaires, or even your family doctor? Think about it. So don’t disparage those on food stamps and medicaid, because most of us are only 2 paychecks away from that. The republicans promote hate and division, while taking care of their own with tax breaks and other loopholes only their lawyers understand. Wake up!

  • Cecilia Chavez

    THANK YOU!!!
    How are you going to live in a busted up single wide mobile and have a Trump banner hanging across the front of “your home”…lol smh but you pretty much nailed in the last paragraph.

  • Jack rip

    I realize that I’m commenting on a 2 year old post but since nothing has changed in the political climate, a rebuttal is certainly warranted. Allen Clifton stated in his article that no Republican president has balanced the budget since the 50’s and yes this statement is accurate. The problem is, neither has any Democrat. In fact, our current administration has added more to our national debt that any other president in history which will be 19 trillion by the time he leaves office. Curious why that absolute fact was left out.
    Those on the left keep yelling and screaming about how the Republicans are all about less government yet want to tell us who we can marry, what women can do with their bodies, build a wall, etc etc etc. Once again, compare what the right is trying to control versus what left wants and is controlling. The list is staggering and will continue to grow. The biggest peice legislation that has been forced on us is the affordable care act. This rediculous law is one huge reason why millions of people will not be voting for Hillary. Even Democrats don’t like it. I love how the left likes to keep bringing up the whole Bush lied and people died, which by the way if anyone actually ever did some research and reading, Bush didn’t lie. (After the freedom of information act was passed, thousands of documents were released confirming thousands of chemical warheads were discovered in Iraq and Afghanistan.) But what about Obama’s lies. He campaigned to end the war in the middle east and instead, sent MORE troops into Afghanistan. And who can forget the repeated lie of “If you like your health insurance plan and your doctor’s, you can keep them” We’ll here we are in 2016 and there are still millions of people with no health insurance and millions more either lost their health insurance because it became to expensive or lost their doctors as their insurance company changed the network they cover. I know for a fact this is happening because I was one of them. I lost a 20 year job because of the economic downturn which mind you I don’t entirely blame on Obama but my new job dosent offer insurance so I had to get it from the marketplace. My wife was battling cancer and although the ACA specifically says we can’t be turned down for pre existing conditions, the ONLY plan available on the marketplace that had her doctors in it cost $1100 per month with $6700 more out of pocket annually. I had a choice to make, save my wife’s life or lose our home. At least we were fortunate enough to have a home to lose. Many others do not. Makes me wonder how many people have actually died instead of getting health insurance. So go ahead and say Bush lied and people died. So did Obama. Low income people are now starting to feel the sting of the ACA when they file their taxes and find out they got penalized for not having insurance. They got so used to massive tax returns because of government entitlements that they now are really pissed.
    Which brings me to the original question as to why middle and low income people vote Republican. Simply put, they, along with millions more, are tired of seeing the massive amounts of tax dollars wasted on entitlements for programs that have no oversight and do nothing to actually help the poor. Add on top of it the fact that their children are not being educated in the public school system and it becomes easy to see why they don’t vote Democrat. At the end of the day, people living paycheck to paycheck and are one payday away from being homeless, honestly don’t care if homosexuals get married, they don’t care if abortion becomes illegal, and they certainly don’t want to be told that praying to a God democrats don’t believe in is wrong. For many, their religious faith is what keeps giving them hope. We’ve all been hearing promises from both sides of the Isle for years and nothing ever changes. In fact it’s getting worse. Our dollar is worth less due to inflation skyrocketing and US currency is losing value because of the massive amounts of debt this country is in. And it’s only going to get worse. I remember the assinine “stimulus” check sent to everyone. $300. How many people got that check and cried out “I’m free at last!”. Nobody. In fact our government spent 38 million dollars sending everybody a notice saying their check is on its way. 38 million. Seriously. Our government can give money away to low income residents through entitlements but they will still be poor. Now we have Hillary and the left campaigning on a minimum wage hike to $15 an hour which is pretty much another false promise. Almost doubling the current minimum wage of course will just make products more expensive and eliminate jobs. That the only logical thing that will happen. Then of course the Fed’s will have to raise the taxes on the rich yet again to offset the lack of tax revenue from workers because the new wage requirement killed tons of jobs. In short, people vote for Republicans because they know that eventually, Democrat policies and principals will bankrupt the country. Left wing ideals logically cannot sustain themselves indefinitely. It’s simple math and people are tired of working hard and going nowhere. That’s why they vote red.

  • Kim Serrahn

    What to be puzzled about. The answer is simple, it’s because you don’t think like they do (key word being THINK, something they don’t do) It’s Pavlov’s Dogs all over again.

  • Brian

    Because you keep on acting like holier than thou elitists willing to throw our country to the dogs in order to emulate failed European policies.

  • Zerogravity02

    This entire article: “I don’t get it, but instead of asking somebody and actually trying to get it, I’m going to wildly speculate the hell out of until it fits into a self-reassuring ethos which will further inflate my ego.” congratulations on successfully shoving your head further in the sand.

    *the truth is you don’t want to “get it” because it is inconvenient to know that your ideology fails to attract the crowd it is marketed for, and its enough to make you ‘re’gressives squirm*

  • David Warner

    You have omitted the most important thing. Republicans hate paying taxes. Period.
    It’s been ground in the their feeble minds.