Dear “Religious Right”: Church Attendance Doesn’t Make You a Christian or Better Than Anyone Else

church1Living in Texas, a state which is very “religious” (as are many in the South), I’m exposed to many “Christians” who attend church 2 or 3 times a week, volunteer for functions at their church, put their kids in the choir, go to summer bible camp, etc.  You name it, they’re involved.

Ironically, many of these same people who seem to live and breathe church are also some of the biggest pricks and hypocrites I know once they’re outside of church.

Now I’m not saying everyone I know that’s highly devoted to their church falls into this category.  I do know some great people who seem to live at church.  But those are people who are just good people—they just happen to go to church often.

Even without church, these people would still be great human beings.

But the other group, the ones who base their devotion to God on how involved they are at church, those are the ones who are often some of the worst people I ever run across.

Like the couple I met, married with 2 kids, that wouldn’t let their cousin live with them unless she went to church 3 nights a week.  Okay, fine, whatever.  They were highly involved in their church and I guess if you’re going to live under their roof it’s reasonable to abide by their rules.

But wait, come to find out both the husband and wife were both having affairs.  Not only that, their children were severely obese, with doctors saying their children were most likely headed toward diabetes at a very young age if their eating habits weren’t changed.  But even with that news the cousin told me the parents didn’t care and continued to let the kids eat whatever they wanted.

Then, after finally getting a divorce, the father moved 600 miles away (and a year later has yet to come visit his kids) and the mother left the kids with a babysitter almost every night to go to her new boyfriend’s house.

Oh, and on a side note, the little girl who I believe is 10 or 11 has already tried to commit suicide.  According to the cousin (who is a friend of mine) the mother stayed around for 2 days before going back to her routine of working, coming home, changing clothes and going to her boyfriend’s house.

Just great “Christian” parenting, right?  A mother and a father, having affairs, putting their children’s health in danger, basically abandoning their children after a divorce—oh, but they both still go to church very frequently and the cousin (who still lives with the mother) is required to go as well.   That means they’re great “Christians,” right?

And I would say this story is shocking, except I see similar stories all the time.

Maybe not to this extreme but I see people who are blatant racists who almost live at church.  I’ve met child abusers who were at church at least 2-3 times a week.

It’s this ignorance these people carry with them that somehow going to church makes them a better person.  Their church attendance excuses their horrific behavior outside of those church walls.  It’s how they mentally excuse their disgusting behavior. “Well, I’m not a bad person—I go to church.”

Who. Gives. A. Crap.

Church can be a great vessel for people.  Much like the Bible, some see church as a tool to help solidify their faith and get them through rough times.  And that’s great, as a Christian I believe in using “tools,” if you need them, to help you in life.

But church is meaningless if you’re a monster once you step outside into the real world.

And it seems that those who want to push their religious views down the throats of everyone else are often the biggest, most disgusting hypocrites I run across.

The people who want to tell me how I should live my life, even though I never sought their opinion.  The people who want to tell me that I’m not a Christian because I’m a liberal.  The people who want to tell me that I’ll burn in hell for supporting same-sex rights.

Meanwhile many of them cheat on their husband or wife, abuse their kids, condemn anyone different, hate people they disagree with all while vilifying the needy and poor.

Then these people have the gale to call me, and those like me, a bad person?  Spare me.  I don’t have enough patience to deal with that level of ignorance and hypocrisy.

I believe in helping those less fortunate than myself, not judging those who are different, not forcing my beliefs on others, helping the needy, being kind to strangers, working toward a better society and that differences make us better—not worse.

But if you want to judge and condemn me, or those like me, based on our church attendance—go right ahead.  Because at the end of the day, I’ve seen the ugly way many of these “church attending Christians” behave.  And if that is what they think makes them a good “Christian,” I want no damn part of it.

Because at the end of the day, if you’re going to church and still harboring hate, fear, anger and judgment towards others—either you’re not grasping the messages that they’re trying to teach or whatever they’re preaching inside that building damn sure isn’t Christianity.

And if you believe that somehow you worship Jesus Christ, a man who stood for hope, love, acceptance, forgiveness, caring and generosity by being fearful, hateful, judgmental, angry and selfish—you’re sure as hell not a Christian.

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Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • John

    Amen! I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

  • Jim Wetherell

    Having been exposed to this bullshit during my teen years , I am well aware of the hyposcrisy. I have left but the hypocrites are still there.

    • Lyola M Roeske Shafer

      i have gone left too.

  • Proudscalawag

    How many churches remember Matthew 6:5-8 and 7:21? Those are the passages respectively about NOT praying in public like the hypocrites AND about not everyone who calls me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom but only they who do the Father’s will?! In thirty-five years of being a Christian I’ve rarely heard anything said about those two passages–and I say that, in and of itself, is a sin of some note!!

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      How about Matthew 25:40? You know, “What you have done for the least among you, you have done for ME.”

      • Proudscalawag

        That too. Although I think that passage gets more airtime than my citations.

      • Brian Frang

        Depends, Churches that have a conservative lean will avoid Matthew 25 like the plague. After all, then next part basically says if you don’t take care of the poor, hungry, tired, cold and sick, you’re going to hell.

      • Mandolin Bee

        Certain interpretations of that verse indicate Jesus was only speaking of other believers, not humanity in general. It’s how they justify treating everyone else poorly.

      • Brian Frang

        Yes, idiots may interpret it that way, however a 5 year old could figure out that those “interpretations” are horseshit. These are the same morons who claim that the “eye of a needle” is a euphemism for a big arch in the Middle East.

    • Brian Frang

      Matthew 7 and 25 are probably 2 of the best chapters in the entire bible for fucking with conservatives.

  • melloe

    There is an old saying that: Standing a garage don’t make you a car any more than going to Church makes you a Christian.

    • Hubsboy

      What????

      • melloe

        If you do not understand that statement, try reading how one accepts him. It is not by attendance or participation in a religious service, although that might motivate one.

      • patty420

        Why must you use so many symbols when you leave a comment?

      • Hell, try reading the Sermon On The Mount…particularly the part about how praying in temple with everyone watching is for hypocrites, and how if you are truly faithful, you pray in private with no-one to see you do it.

    • Kberg95

      Took the words right out of my mouth

  • Cdp

    As a Christian who got frustrated with the hypocrites I often found at church, I have come to realize that those are often the people who most need to learn the message of Christ. Unfortunately, today’s pastors are not teaching the true message.

    • Sha

      maybe you need a different church

  • flcalliecat

    most of these “Christians” wouldn’t let Jesus in their home if he wasn’t white and didn’t speak English.

    • Patricia Stidham-Burns

      He wasn’t white and he I am sure he didn’t speak English. He was born in the Middle East…

      • Hubsboy

        And, MY GOD!!>>>>He was a JEW!!!!

      • dakre

        But not of the Jewish faith, there is a difference

      • jchastn

        He studied with the elders in the temple, amazing them with his knowledge and insight. Why would you say he was not of the Jewish faith?

      • anniesmac

        Because people often say things when they have minimal knowledge.

      • Brian Frang

        Um… He was VERY much of the Jewish faith. He was a rabbi. The last Supper was the freaking Passover Seder, for crying out loud!

      • Brian Frang

        @timfromla:disqus Because the Council of Nicaea were idiots and didn’t know that “Morning Star” was the nickname of God’s (formerly) favorite king, Nebuchadnezzar. But, considering they put the Bible together over 300 years after the death of Jesus of Nazareth (meaning, that , while they put the Bible together, the did not found Christianity, it was already a thing. They just consolidated it), I tend to dismiss a lot of the book. Cuz Catholicism is kinda stupid, most of the time.

        Now, for a little bit of a theology lesson: In Judaism, there is a “Heaven” that is the domain of God and His angels, but hell doesn’t exist in the Christian sense of the word. instead, what is translated as “Hell” in the Bible refers to the “sheol” or spirit world. Basically, like the underworld in Greek Mythology, with different areas depending on the severity of your sin in life. No one went to Heaven, because only the sinless could take residence (except in, I believe two cases, Elijah and Enoch, who were taken up to Heaven before dying, supposedly), which is the whole reason for the existence of the Messianic Prophecy. The idea is that when the messiah comes to earth, he will become a sacrificial lamb for the sins of mankind, allowing the chosen people of God to enter Heaven. Now, in the Old Testament laws were separated into two major categories: Sins against God (jobs), and sins against your fellow man (justices). Now the sins against man are easy enough to figure out (Murder, rape, theft, assault, etc), but the sins against God are harder to figure out, because they are more controversial concepts, like whether it’s ok to cut your hair, or what clothes you’re allowed to wear. I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to assume that many of the “jobs” listed in the Old Testament were penned by men in order to advance their own ideas and had nothing to do with God. In fact, I think said theory is supported by Jesus’ actions within the Gospels. I mean, he basically said “The Tanakh is wrong, you don’t have the right to pass judgement or sentence for sins against the Almighty. That’s His job, not yours.” He never technically said any of it was untrue, but he did say that a person’s sin is between them and the Lord, and only God may pass judgement.

        Um…. Did I forget anything?

      • Brian Frang

        Oh, right, I did: Satan, himself is another interesting issue within Judaism and Christianity, because while Lucifer only exists in Christianity, Satan exists in both. In Judaism (and the Gospels, if you read between the lines) the ha-Satan, as he is known, is the angel of Death and Temptation, responsible for tempting Man into sin in order to weed out the righteous from the wicked. But that’s his JOB, and while he performs it faithfully and to the best of his abilities, the ha-Satan is gunning for the mortals to resist him and prove their righteousness to God. When crafting the Bible, and mistranslating heylel as a proper name, the Council of Nicea combined the concepts of that, an old Canaanite legend about a “morning star falling from the sky” (could refer to a big meteor), the serpent from Genesis (in Hebrew mythology, it was a literal serpent, the story acts as an explanation as to why snakes don’t have legs, like other reptiles), and the ha-Satan to give us the Christian representation of Satan. Milton screwed things up even more when he wrote Paradise Lost, which, for some reason, keeps getting treated like the actual story, when it isn’t even remotely biblical, and then we had Dante’s Divine Comedy, which further cemented the idea of the “Devil” being the ruler of Hell. But still, everything that comes in the Gospels seems to be pretty well in line with the original interpretation, it’s afterwards that it starts getting weird.

      • timfromla

        Yeah, the Bible nor its players exist. It’s a good book of morals, minus the rape, murder, incest and so on. Beyond that. it’s a good book

      • Brian Frang

        Didn’t we already establish that you can’t KNOW anything based on a lack of evidence? You have to have evidence. But yeah, I don’t deny there’s a lot of really fucked up stuff in there.

      • timfromla

        Didn’t we already establish that you can’t KNOW anything based on a lack of evidence? You have to have evidence.

        Exactly! So someone needs to prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a heaven and a God. I can’t prove there isn’t nor can Christian prove there is. It’s called faith and faith is not admissible in any court.

      • Brian Frang

        But I never once said that God exists. I simply pointed out explanations as to why certain things in Scripture got screwed up when the Catholics took over. I’m an agnostic…. Meh, some days I believe in God, some days, not so much, so I can’t really use atheist OR deist to describe myself. Anyways, my whole point here has consistently been that having a set of gnostic beliefs,whether atheist or deist, is foolish at best, downright stupid at worst. When you “know” something, you stop asking questions, and you start believing that you are better than the “ignorant”. Like how if someone insisted to you that 2+2=5, or that the earth is flat, or that we faked the moon landing, you’d think “Man, they’re stupid as hell!”. Same goes with faith, if you believe you “know” the answer, then you start treating everyone with a different belief than yours as inferior, which is why atheists are getting the kind of bad reputation they’re getting right now. Every time I hear an atheist rant about how “stupid Christians are with their imaginary friend”, or about how “no one with a brain could ever believe in God” (Both comments I see on a regular basis), I want to strangle them, because they are obviously elitist jackasses, just as bad as any hell-fire-preaching Christian trying to forcibly convert the “heathens”. And not very smart, either. One must always remember that it’s always possible that what you believe without proof is wrong, no matter how much sense it may make. It helps to stop you from coming across as a self-righteous, condescending dick. Not saying you need to believe in anything, just say “I don’t believe it exists” instead of “I know it doesn’t exist”, because you simply don’t know.

      • timfromla

        Well then, you’re an agnostic. I like that joke though:

        Q: What is an agnostic?
        A: A chickenshit atheist.

        Kidding.

      • Brian Frang

        Except that an “agnostic” technically doesn’t exist. Belief is measured on a scale of two dichotomies (Although, I commonly make the argument that all dichotomies have a choice to not choose, as well), gnostic vs. agnostic and theist(deist) vs atheist. Technically, you have to either believe in God or not believe in God, so there’s four types, Gnostic atheists (who claim to know God does not exist), agnostic atheists (who don’t believe in God, but to varying degrees accept the possibility that they are wrong), agnostic theists (who believe in God, but admit that it could just be that they WANT to believe, and they could be wrong), and gnostic theists (who believe they KNOW God exists). Besides, I like this one better (cuz it suits me better):

        Q: What’s an Agnostic
        A: An atheist who can’t make up his mind.

      • timfromla

        It’s a joke…sheesh!

      • Brian Frang

        I know, hence my own joke at the end. I think it’s funnier. Obviously, you didn’t think so, but I haven’t exactly been known for my comedy skills, so there’s that.

      • Daphne

        Catholicism is pretty much the opposite of the actual Hebrew New Testament… RCC doesn’t follow the NT which makes them just a pagan of Sun Worship pretending to be Christian. Your knowledge seems to come from Catholicism which is majorly messed up, lol. The rest of what you said just means I need to pray for you because Jesus and God want all of us to be saved. Not sure why anyone wouldn’t want eternal life in heaven but most seem inclined to take their chances with the latter.

      • Brian Frang

        Actually, My knowledge comes from Judaism, and not Catholicism, although I did study the New Testament, which was never written in Hebrew, by the way (all of the known books were originally transcribed in Greek), extensively, in most of its various translations, and under various branches of the Christian faith. The Council of Nicea was the first to officially translate the Aramaic (again, not Hebrew) Old Testament to Greek, then to Latin, along with choosing all of the books that were eventually called “The Bible” (Though some would later be removed during the various Protestant movements) . You need to do a little research, before you go telling people they don’t know what they’re talking about, because you come off sounding like a very judgemental person, who doesn’t know what *they* are talking about. I think Jesus talked about that, actually… Like, a lot.

      • Daphne

        Your so angry commenting to everyone, sad. Yes, I can judge false doctrines and sacraments. Let’s not twist what judging is; I am not judging the heart but I most certainly can judge actions, sins, false teaching, etc. I am nondenominational and most of my religious knowledge comes from a college course I took at a liberal college a few years ago and it covered religions of the world favoring none over the other. You are wrong on many accounts including the language of the first written word by the prophets. Greek was the first translation, of the written word in Hebrew and Old Hebrew. Your anger and denial makes it impossible to debate with you regarding facts. Have a great day and God bless.

      • Brian Frang

        Matthew 7:3-5

        Again, do some research. Jesus SPECIFICALLY said to not judge the ACTIONS of your neighbor. Repeatedly. Like, over and over. As in, it was his absolute favorite subject to preach about. He talked about loving your neighbor and being non-judgemental more than anything else in his entire career as a Rabbi.

        First off, the written collection of the Tanakh (AKA the Old Testament) can be conclusively verified which language it’s in. It’s in Aramaic. We had a hand-transcribed copy in the chassidic shul I used to attend. So, your Professors are obviously wrong (Although, I actually don’t believe you got your information from a college course, because your sheer ignorance regarding the formation of Christianity as an organized religion, the actual choosing of which books out of hundreds would be verified as the true “Word of God”, the fact that you seem to not understand that “non-denominational” churches are still a form of Protestantism,since all that means is”not Catholic” and your dismissal of easily verified facts regarding mistranslations between the original Jewish texts and their Christian counterparts. I mean, seriously? “pagan of Sun Worship pretending to be Christian”? The only person who would say that is someone who’s never actually done any research into any religion other than their own close-minded small-town church. More importantly, I don’t believe you’ve ever actually *read* the Bible, since you actually seem to think Jesus didn’t condemn judging the actions of others). Aramaic is the ancient predecessor to Hebrew, as well as Arabic, and most other Middle Eastern languages. Trying to argue it’s in Hebrew, or “Old Hebrew” is as incorrect as trying to say it’s in Yiddish. Not only that, but there isn’t a *single* book in said Bible that was actually written during, or near Jesus’ lifetime. The Gospels were all written between 200 and 300 C.E., the oldest book regarding Jesus is the Gospel of Judas, dated between 30 and 130 C.E., and it wasn’t included in the Bible. Why is that, do you think? Ironic that you seem to have issues regarding my “anger” (apparently, you can’t distinguish emphasis from yelling, that’s not a deficiency on my part) and “commenting to everyone” when you are the one who started “correcting” others with misinformation. The fact is, the New Testament is full of inaccuracies and has major sections of it based on poorly translated and misinterpreted sections of the Old Testament, and that was the fault of the Council of Nicea. Like it or not, modern Christianity is descended from Catholicism, and thus many of its most famous tenets, like the idea of a fallen angel called Satan that tried to take over heaven and was sent to Hell, are actually not accurate to the roots of the religion, where the ha-Satan is an angel, not a fallen renegade, who has nothing to do with the parable in Isaiah 14, which refers to an old Canaanite legend regarding a falling star, and was meant as a battle cry against Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. You want to believe in Jesus, that’s fine, but A) follow his teachings, or don’t call yourself Christian. and B) acknowledge the history of your religion, and its connection to Catholicism.

      • Daphne

        I made ONE comment Brian but you have made a lot of comments like a man with a mental disorder. Proverbs 26:4 Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are… you are acting like a fool. I am done responding to you. I feel sorry for you… hopefully you get help.

      • Will Hendrex

        Next verse says to answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit. Stop taking the Bible out of context plz. This is a plague in the Christian church much like the plague the article speaks of.

      • Will Hendrex

        Stop taking the Bible out of context plz

      • Brian Frang

        Exactly where did I take the Bible out of context? Are you claiming Jesus never said to be non-judgmental, or that he said to only be non-judgmental in certain situations. Because no, he never said that. He was very clear about it, unless you have no sin of your own, you have no right to pass judgement on the sin of others. In fact, if you really want to look at the FULL context of the quote, here it is:
        1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
        2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
        3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
        4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
        5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
        6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

        Verses 7-12 are regarding the “golden rule” (Do unto others as you would have them do to you), 13-14 are a metaphor for how taking the easy road leads to ruin, 15-23 deal with false prophets and disciples (which, by the way, seems to apply to most conservatives, since they claim to follow Jesus, but eschew his teachings), 24-26 is a parable about needing a spiritual foundation to build upon, and 27-29 are just talking about how amazed the crowd was at his speech. And nothing in Matthew 6 (which covers giving to the needy, prayer, fasting, the “eternal reward”, and “be good and good things will happen to you”, in that order), has anything to do with the idea of passing judgment.

      • Will Hendrex

        Right, so this passage does entirely forbid judgement. It is very much against hypocrisy but after they log is removed from your eye, you actually make a very good judge.

        Here are some passages that command us to judge others:

        John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

        1 Corinthians 2 (pay attention to verse 15)
        13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?”[e] But we have the mind of Christ.

        1st Corithians 5
        9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

        Even though people will tell us that we should not judge, the Bible makes it clear that we should. The following examples show where the Apostles exposed error:
        a) Paul named and spoke against certain men in 2 Tim. 2:16-17, 2 Tim. 4:14-15 and 1 Tim. 1:19-20.
        b) John named a man who was in error in 3 John 1:9-10.
        c) Paul publicly corrected Peter, a fellow Apostle, in Galatians 2:11-14.
        d) Leaders caught in false teaching or immorality are to be rebuked publicly as 1 Tim. 5:20 says.
        e) Christians who won’t repent must be removed from the church – Matt. 18:15-17.
        These examples make it clear that we must judge and publicly expose error and, if necessary, discipline those who are in sin. The salvation of souls and purity of the church depends on this.

      • dancer61958

        Jesus is God he understands every language 🙂

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        I very seriously doubt that Jesus knew every language… sheesh!

      • Brian Frang

        Theoretically, if Jesus was the earthly incarnation of God, then it would not be unreasonable to assume he would be an omniglot.

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        perhaps but their is quite a bit of an argument even between Christians as to whether he was or was not the earthly incarnate… The various forms of Christian beliefs/sects can barely agree with each other on anything 🙁

      • Brian Frang

        Either way, he was the begotten Son of God (well, if Christians are correct, and I’m not saying they are), it’s simply not a stretch to believe that being half-divine, he’d be omnilingual. Not saying he was (we only “know” from Scripture that he spoke at least 4: Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin, but it was probably rather common to speak 3-4 languages in that area at that time), just saying it’s not a stretch.

      • Mottfolly

        I have an imaginary friend that knows every language, including all those that don’t yet exist, so there!
        Your imaginary friend is 2nd rate.

      • Brian Frang

        SHHHHHH!!!!!! Haven’t you heard? According to Republicans, Jesus was a good, white Christian…. Even though he was the figurehead and idol of Christianity and it wasn’t technically founded until nearly 300 years after Jesus’ crucifixion

      • But, but, but…. every single painting of Jesus I’ve ever seen is of a blond, northern-Italian looking fellow with a 15thC haircut. Those renaissance painters couldn’t all have gotten it wrong, could they?

      • Brian Frang

        Well, I’m ethnically Jewish, and if I were to grow out a beard (already grew out the hair), I’d look just like those paintings, so….

    • AugustineThomas

      You do realize that Christians exist outside of America or you only know the country where your Xbox comes from?

  • Liberal

    Another passage “they” love to quote when talking about the poor is “God helps those who help themselves” and use that to deny help like SNAP. Attendance at church and prayers before meals in public does not mean “I am a Christian!”

    • Kinneroth

      But that passage doesn’t exist. I’ve read the bible a few times through. Anyone who “quotes” that passage, has just shown that they have no idea what the bible says.

      • TFREE

        That’s correct that saying is not scripture. It’s usually attributed to Ben Franklin.

      • Marie

        It’s actually from Aesop’s Fables: the gods help those who help themselves.

    • sr

      most of the people on snap abuse it and are on it for decades thats not what it is meant for it supposed to be temporary emergency but they teach their children to get and live off it!

      • ebarron99

        And what facts are you quoting from? Give us verifiable facts when you make this kind of statement. There are some that abuse but “most”? Give me the independently verified facts or stop spewing crap you know nothing about.

      • Brian Frang

        Actually, less than 20% are on SNAP for more than a 5 year period, and another 20% are on it for less than a year. That leaves 60% of the SNAP recipients who are on it for between 1 and 5 years, which is EXACTLY the kind of time period SNAP was designed for.

      • Brian Frang

        And furthermore, there is little to no evidence that people abusing the SNAP program make up more than 1% of the recipients. They tried drug testing for Food Stamps in Texas. Spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to drug test these “moochers”, and they caught, like, 2 people, for a grand total of less than 20 grand saved…. Of course that means they were actually hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole.

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        Florida did the same thing…. the people found positive for drugs ended up being a lower percentage than the general populace…

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        Brian, SNAP has no time limitation…

      • Brian Frang

        I never said it did, I simply pointed out that it’s INTENDED for about 1-5 years, but as I pointed out, about 20% of them are receiving benefits for longer than 5 years.

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        Actually, I do not think you know what SNAP is… SNAP is food, not cash… there is no limitation to SNAP… there is to TANF which is a totally different animal… You do realize that many many of out military families are on SNAP right??? Many many elderly and retired are using SNAP… TANK is for temporary use with a 5 year lifetime limitation for adults… I sincerely believe you need to do some research before spouting off and making yourself look silly 🙂

    • Brian Frang

      They also like to use the “give a man a fish, teach a man to fish” thing. Which is BS because A. That’s a chinese proverb, it isn’t in the bible, and B. Republicans abhor the idea of government sanction job training corps for the unemployed and those on assistance.

      • patty420

        LOL!

  • Julia Cartmel Jester

    Church’s are full of hypocrites. They go to church to cover up what they did Saturday night. Preachers are in the business because they don’t have to pay taxes and they look saintly to other people. There for he can go out and do what ever he please’s and no one would believe it if they were told. Preachers are preaching people into hell. They follow in his footsteps.You should worship like the Native Americans do and thank God each day for his creations and for things he does for you and your family. The bible says to stay away from all evil. Church’s are about the most evil place you can be!!!

    • Marty Simpson Tallent

      There are still good churches that don’t bring politics to the pulpit. My little Episcopal church teaches us about the good news that Jesus preached. It’s so sad that far too many churches have an agenda, and push political views. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian; following Jesus’ teaching does.

  • Rachel

    Thank you! I know so many people like this, Bible-college attending, Sunday morning pew-warming, serial cheaters, liars, gossips, with a mean streak a mile wide. People who use foster kids as a paycheck, people who allowed pedophiles near young children — and then run around town accusing the child (now grown) of being “crazy”, “weird”, etc. But, they go to church and studied at Bible school, so obviously they’re saintly. Give me the company of the honest “profane and heathen” any day over the company of such “saints”.

    • Proudscalawag

      Jesus preferred their company too, according to Scripture.

    • sr

      those people are not saints , all of you are condemning people because they go to church as all of the above as if everyone that goes to church is like that any church, many so called christian churches allow that but not all and certainly not mine.If you are not worthy you are excommunicated!

      • ebarron99

        Who decides who is worthy? That is the problem. People sit in judgement over other people. If Jesus were walking the earth today, I seriously doubt he would waste his time in church. I don’t recall Jesus ever mentioning Church. That was Paul, the disciple that gave us all the do’s and don’ts in the Bible and never actually met Jesus.

      • Brian Frang

        Don’t forget that his primary hobby before his “revelation” (which, personally, I think was all an act to screw up the faith…. Well, if any of it happened at all.): He loved to murder him some Christians.

    • whitecrane123

      I am a proud Heathen. I spent 30 years staring at the Theotokis at the back of the altar in the Orthodox church before I realized they had it all backward. No wonder the Mother of God was prominent. The Goddess needs to be prominent. From that moment, I became a Slavic Heathen. I proudly worship in the footsteps of my ancestors. Hailsa!

  • louis

    Christians, mainly old white people from the south, are most of the reasons these idiots keep getting elected. secondly, i agree with everything you wrote. I despise overly religious people. i hate bible thumping Jesus freaks almost more than I hate crooked cops. Anyone that claims they “know” what happens when we die, are just flat out lying. this is why i am mostly atheist. i say mostly because the truth is I have zero idea what happens when a person dies. Anyone that claims otherwise is full of it!

    • Sara Byrd

      I understand your point of view. However, I would like to say, I am old(er), white and many generations from the south. I am a Christian, a liberal and I regularly get slammed for my radical, left wing views on gay marriage, race, abortion, the social safety net and healthcare. Just wanted to point out that not all of us are tarred with the same brush.

      • Brian Frang

        And we’re very fortunate to have you, Sara, but the fact of the matter is that the trends show that the elderly, white people, and southerners are three of the groups most likely to be Republicans. So, yeah, when you combine the three, it becomes the vast majority of the Republican base.

  • brittney

    Well those people arent going to get you to heaven god is.

  • TFREE

    Amen, this article could very well be a sermon! It’s sad to see so many turned off by church due to the actions of others. “They” are giving true believers a bad name. As a Christian the key is to develop a relationship with the Christ for yourself so you will know what real love is. God is Love, NOT hate.

  • Lyola M Roeske Shafer

    Don’t worry about Hell no matter what they say! The volcanoes are now permanently closed to new residents;

  • gbl excaliber the third

    Actually, I think church is for those who are “sinners” and who need help, not for those who are already good people. Perhaps these people think they will learn something that will help them to be better people. I’m not a religious person–I’m aetheist–but I think the worst monsters need to be learning how to be better more compassionate and responsible people. Some may find that in a church or the bible, depending on how sincere the church is in modeling the life Jesus role modeled for us. Most churches are out to make loads of money, and those who are the biggest sinners may be dishing out the most money in hope of buying their way into heaven. At any rate, judging these people doesn’t do anything to help them, and seems to be against church teachings too.

    • dancer61958

      Being a good person does not get you into heaven…We are ALL sinners… Romans 3:23 “For ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God” Whether you go to a building or not you are a sinner, As for being a good person…the bible also states

      Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV

      8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

      The keyword is “works” (being a good person, doing the right things) Yes all should be a good person and do the right things but that does not guarantee your salvation to live an eternal life with God in heaven. It is your faith in Jesus and your relationship with him that gives you your salvation. Jesus already paid the price for our sins when he shed his blood and died on the cross. It does not mean we are free from sin. We have to accept him into our hearts and believe that he died for us. Once he is in your life then a true christian will want to live like he did…helping others etc (this is where the works comes in) but dong it without him doesn’t save you. Hope this helps. 🙂

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        Being a Christian does not guarantee your salvation either, neither does accepting God and/or Jesus

  • Debi Lovell

    thx for your articles, I’m a Christian and a liberal also, those folks don’t have any idea who Jesus really is, and when the time comes they will probably find themselves on the sides with the goats

  • cocoabrioche

    I grew up in Grove City PA, which billed itself as “a Christian town” with a Christian college. And some of the meanest people I’ve ever known: incest, child abuse, prayer in the public schools – and no blacks allowed in the towns churches. Thank you for articulating my feeling so well!

  • Chris

    Never complete a business deal with someone who mentions their church in the process. Never. Ever.

    • Sara Byrd

      Years ago, as a new Christian I had a “heathen” tell me this. I’m sure I must have looked as horrified as I felt. Sadly, now days it is a constant rule of thumb in my life. If they have a fish painted on their sign or scripture posted in the waiting room…..I am outta there!

    • jchastn

      I agree. Distrust them because they are trying to manipulate you into thinking them trustworthy because they are religious.

  • tommyfred

    A sermon I enjoyed today. I simply cannot abide the pseudo-christianity that nndominates the churches in the south and I won’t hang with those folk.

  • Joseph Crow Riley

    Going to Church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.

  • Rusti

    I’ve know all too many who excuse their un-Christian behavior by claiming the title “born again”! I knew a couple “born agains” who were the most vile humans ever. When they went on to teach Bible school I got the best laugh ever! I told them it was like the Marquis De Sade teaching open heart surgery in medical school! These people who wore “Christ” on their sleeves went on to raise dysfunctional families, one even having a daughter murdered and then reacting by saying it was “God’s punishment” for her Godless life! They said she’s waiting at the foot of Jesus for her parents, having repented. Her sister claims the young woman is waiting — and that should make these people very afraid indeed! Frankly, all “Christians” scare the Hell out of me. Does that mean it works?

    • sickofit

      Family full of them too – biggest bunch of hypocrites ever. Marry, divorc e, remarry fool around on that wife, claim they help the poor but all they care about is themselves and their share.

  • Cemetery Girl

    This is what makes me uncomfortable with many “Christians”, they pay lip service and are held as stellar examples of Christianity. I am a Christian, but I do not consider that a factor in how good or bad I am as a person. I have Christians tell me I’m going to hell for not sharing their close minded views, and yet it is assumed by those normally vilified by “Christians” that I will too. There is now medium ground. I will not change my belief that God desires us to be loving, compassionate beings, as taught by Jesus. I also will not emulate some of the “good Christians”, like the family I knew that attended frequently, the father participated in the youth ministry, and the children were homeschooled using a Bible based curriculum. The father was also sent to prison for molesting the friend of his daughter at a sleep over. (The church did put a stop to his participation in the youth program, but did not warn parents in the church of his pleading guilty of molesting a child, and instead agreed to give the claim he was working away from home to save them embarrassment. After his release they continued to hold bonfires at their home, inviting the children from church, which was ignored because it was not official church events.)

    • willietrohut

      I used to go to church with a family down the street because my parents did not attend a church. My parents were always good people who treated others fairly and worked hard. They let me do what I wanted, as a child, when i wanted to go to a church. That good family turned out to be a nightmare, as I and several other girls were molested by this good man who did good deeds by taking kids to his church. We moved away, but found out the church couple was allowed to adopt two girls. Several years later, we found out one of the girls committed suicide. I wonder why? In adulthood, I have found myself feeling very lonely while standing in a room full of people, at church. That is when I stopped going to a brick and mortar establishment and decided I can carry on my relationship with God without them.

      • sha

        wrong churches if you don’t like the one you go to go to another, all christian churches are not the same

      • ebarron99

        Why bother to go at all?

  • hadenoughchurchthanks

    My dad has been a faithful churchgoing Christian his entire life and takes church doctrine very, very seriously. Yet he is one of the meanest, ill-tempered people I’ve ever met. All that time spent in church over 80+ years has not helped him to attain even a basic level of human decency and kindness. He believes firmly in the correctness of his position on all these nuances of doctrine, yet none of it has made him any less of an a$$hole.

    • Brian Frang

      Then he doesn’t get it.

      1 John 4:7-12(NIV) ” 7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”

      1 Corinthians 13:4-8 (NIV) “4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

      8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues,they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.”

      If your father does not show these qualities, he doesn’t know God.

  • Sara Byrd

    Ideally Church is not a museum for saints, but a hospital for sick souls…..HOWEVER, if you go to the hospital every week, spit out the medicine they give you, forget the instructions you heard and ignore all the advice, you are pretty much wasting your time. You would do better to just go fishing.

    • Brian Frang

      The unfortunate part, is that these “doctors” (to continue with your medical analogy) are pumping their “patients” up with poisons instead of medicines. These people don’t ignore what they’re taught, they are taught evil, through the Church omitting some teachings and deliberately misinterpreting others.

  • Rusty’s Human

    “What you have not done for the least among us you have not done for me” It encompasses much. Personally a daily goal for me to be eventually reunited with my daughter. I always thought or was taught that a conversation with others about God or Jesus regardless of where you were “standing” was church, it was to be taken as learning the word of God. Recently a “born again” Christian told me good deeds alone will not get me to heaven, I need to be doing works in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, ok I’ll do it in Jesus name. She then proceed to tell me that since God gave us Dominion over animals and things that it would not be bad karma to poison a beautiful HUGE pine tree to enhance my view and create more value for my property. It blows me away, common decency appears to be disappearing. I will NOT be getting rid of that pine tree regardless if I could get away with it or not. I choose to believe in God, it’s personal. Some may find it irrational and non scientific but I could not imagine living without faith, maybe I’m not strong enough, I want to believe I can see my daughter someday, regardless it is all personal. I don’t feel the need for any of my friends to believe the same as me, just to be kind to the living and nature in general. Mean people suck!

  • Henry Avellaneda

    I have known many people like that! They claim to be very religious people and faithfully go to church every week and then in their daily lives they are poor parents and mean and dishonest people!

  • rainfresh

    Christ is my life. . I was born again into the family of God. My faith is why I do good deeds not to gain anything from anything. I’m what people call a do-gooier. My deeds will not save me, my deeds are a result of what Christ has done for me. Political? yes! I’m what people say is liberal. I just don’t care what people say. I listen to the voice inside myself and what I feel is right. Yes, I go to church. I don’t like people putting politics inside the church. Most of those politicians that that uses God’s Name is one day going to get an awaking. I have had christian s tell me that the republican party is for christians. Well !! I don’t care for the republican party at all. When I hear all this is makes me very sad. The republican party is what makes people feel the way they do about church.

    • Elysse Hamilton

      It’s ridiculous for people to align any political party with what religion. I’ve had liberals say the same thing to me, that Jesus would be a democrat if he were alive today. I believe Jesus would be floored at how clueless we all still are.

      • Brian Frang

        Well, it does help that Jesus’ teachings were far more in line with the platform of the Democratic party than the Republicans. But, yeah, he probably wouldn’t have been either. He still would have called the Republicans evil. Because he was well in the habit of calling hypocrites and greedy people out on their bullshit. Which he was allowed to do, being without sin, and God and all…

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        So, only Republicans are “hypocrites and greed people”??? I don’t think so… I think that both parties are…. Along with many others…

      • Brian Frang

        No, not ONLY Republicans. But greedy, selfish, judgemental, “Christian” hypocrites are far more likely to be Republicans than Democrats. There’s a reason Christianity has such a bad name, nowadays, it’s because the vast majority claim to love Jesus then spit in the face of His teachings. Democratic platforms generally are much more in line with what Jesus taught. I don’t think Jesus would be a Democrat, but I do think he’d be very anti-Republican.

  • Elysse Hamilton

    While I don’t disagree with the concept that going to church has nothing to do with anything – instead of telling all of the world what’s WRONG with people on the right of anything, why not just leave the partisanship out of it…and say…”self-righteous” people who claim this or that are fooling themselves or something. There are clearly people who have the views you stated in your article who are on the right and on the left. I know this. They go to my church. They use terminology about people who are “unchurched”. Makes me want to gag. Many of these people are progressive liberals. It’s not unique to the right-wing. Your views would be so much more widely accepted if you just addressed the issue without assigning the problems to any labeled group. You stated that you identify as a Christian and in your last sentence, you say that people who harbor hate and judgment against others are sure as hell not Christians, yet you demonstrate hatred and judgment every day on your show and in your articles. Pot/Kettle!

    • Elysse Hamilton

      This was actually written thinking that Rachel Maddow wrote the article, hence the reference to her show.

    • Brian Frang

      It’s real simple: because the VAST and I do mean VAST majority of hypocrites who pervert Jesus’ teachings to suit their own ends are Republicans. Plain and simple. And intolerance of intolerance isn’t hateful, it’s the way people are SUPPOSED to act.

      • Elysse

        Your ignorance, hatred and intolerance are astounding.

      • Brian Frang

        I find it interesting that you talk about my ignorance, hatred and intolerance, when the simple fact is, the Republicans are the ones who gutted the voting rights act, are trying to force discriminatory and unconstitutional laws regarding women, and treat homosexuls as second-class citizens. The REPUBLICANS are the ones who flipped out about an American woman of Indian descent winning Miss America, and about an AMERICAN man of Japanese descent winning America’s Got Talent. My judgements are made based on WHAT JESUS TAUGHT, and what the Republican Party platform says. And they don’t agree. On pretty much anything. If you’ve ever read Matthew 7 or 25, and you’re still a Republican…. Well, you know what they say, you just can’t fix stupid. Because it’s just not possible to reconcile Jesus’ teachings and Conservative politics.

  • WOW! I could not have said it better!

  • dancer61958

    I have read almost all comments on here. For one thing the church as explained to me in my church is not the building you go to it’s the people that are the church. You are told to fellowship with those of like mind. As for being a christian all that means is being Christ Like to be like he was when he walked the earth. But like this article, I do find hypocrites even in my church constantly bringing politics into their life with hate and hateful words…(something I will not do). That isn’t what Jesus would have done. For every christian to be labeled the same is honestly not fair. I pray for those that have hate in their heart and don’t live Christ like. They give the rest of us a bad name. But then you think about the bible and it’s teachings Romans 3:23 ” For ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. ” So yes we are ALL sinners and nobody is perfect whether we go to church or not.

  • timfromla

    Well, there is always the Unitarian Universalists. Many don’t believe (which includes me) that playing the role will get you in heaven. In my case, I know no one will go to heaven, because there is no heave, because I am an atheist.

    I am involved in the church’s social justice programs. But also, there are U.U. members who go to third world countries and help provide clean water, build homes, schools and do other things to help the poor, BUT, not proselytize. We are not here to convert but to help when asked.
    If I am not going to heaven because I don’t believe, then that’s fine with me. At least I can meet face-to-face with the bolt thrower and say, well, at least I wasn’t a hypocrite.

    • Brian Frang

      Think*. You don’t KNOW there is no heaven, because it can’t be proven, you can only BELIEVE that heaven doesn’t exist, because you haven’t seen proper evidence.In order to know something there must be a definitive true or false that can be proven.

      • timfromla

        Well then:

        Numbers 23:22 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextGod brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

        Numbers 24:8 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextGod brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

        Deuteronomy 33:17 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextHis glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

        Job 39:9 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextWill the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

        Job 39:10 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextCanst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

        Psalms 22:21 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextSave me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

        Psalms 29:6 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextHe maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

        Psalms 92:10 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextBut my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

        Isaiah 34:7 | Read whole chapter | See verse in contextAnd the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

        There are unicorns?

      • Brian Frang

        Dammit, Disqus ate my post. Ok, lemme try this again. The hebrew word there is re’em, which, based on descriptions refers to aurochs, an ancient ancestor of cattle, which is why the American Standard version translated it as wild oxen. The closest translation to re’em in Greek, primarily because no one knew exactly what re’em was in the first place, so they wanted a familiar animal that people could relate to,. was monokeros, which was then translated to Latin, unicornus, then to English Unicorns. However, classical Jewish interpretations do not treat re’em as a unicorn. Now, let’s hope this one sticks.

      • Brian Frang

        Besides, disproving Christianity and Judaism does not disprove the existence of God or Heaven, all it proves is that they have it wrong. By their very definitions it is impossible to be a gnostic atheist OR a gnostic theist, because in both cases you need to KNOW, not believe, and you can only know if you have proof.

  • Dakre

    We can not judge a whole belief system on the mistakes of a few people. And truthfully Christians aren’t perfect, they are just forgiven. In the end people are people and will fall short, disappoint, make mistakes and anger you.

    • Brian Frang

      No, Christians are forgiven when they repent. Repentance isn’t the same as saying “I’m sorry”. True repentance means you understand WHY it’s wrong, and you’re not going to continue doing it. These people don’t act like that. They don’t repent, they just shrug it off and go “oh, well, Jesus has my back” and that’s not how it works. At least, not according to Matthew 7. Actually, I really like Matthew 7, it might be my favorite biblical chapter.

  • temblor

    We built our house 900 miles away from S. Fl. Hired a life long friend of my wife’s family to hire the trade contractors, watch their work, and inspect it before he paid them. He also claims to be a good Christian. He stole me blind. Every contractor he hired inflated their price, then I’m sure they split it. I didn’t find out until after we had moved in and hired those same guys for various other things. Time after time I caught them inflating their price. When I caught them their almost universal response was that they don’t cheat their customers, they’re good Christians.

    I learned that when they tell you that they have, indeed, stolen from you or tried to.

  • Russ

    What’s the point of this story? That many people who identify themselves as Christians don’t live up to their own standards? Shocker. Guess what? It’s true of any group, religious, political or otherwise. Look at the global warming nuts who fly around in private jets. Look at the race baiting “civil rights” leaders who only selectively protest. It’s not just “Christians.” And I love how the first comment I read brings racism into it.

  • Brian Frang

    “The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable”
    Brennan Manning

  • I strongly suspect that many people, particularly but not exclusively in the South, attend church as a matter of routine to maintain their social status within a community rather than out of sincere belief. That does not make them good or bad people. My mother’s parents and their family were raised in Belgium, an overwhelmingly Catholic country in a time where church attendance was a matter of common practice. They went to church every Sunday. Their children were baptized, went through the other rituals of the church, and yet were all non-believers. But not attending, not baptizing your children etc would have attracted attention and stigmatized them.

    None of this made them inherently good or bad people. As it turns out, they were pretty good people. They worked hard, looked after their families, and never sought to wrong anyone. My grandfather risked his life (and his family’s lives) to hide Jews from the Nazis during the occupation, not because God told him to do so, but because his conscience told him it was the right thing to do.

    In contrast, at a company I worked for many years ago, our bookkeeper was very active in her church and was always talking about her involvement. Yet she was fired from the same company when it was discovered she was embezzling money from it.

    Conclusion: it’s how you choose to live your life that makes you bad or good, not whether you go to church or how often you do it.

  • Adam Karp

    I always laugh at “Christian” families who take the summers off from church. So if there is a God, (s)he just isn’t watching for 3 months?

  • mimilissy

    Churches are essentially dues paying clubs. I’ll never forget dropping cash (*envelop)in a collection plate when new to a church and seeing the usher pull out my envelope one pew behind me. It was the last time I have stepped foot in a church. A measure of who you are as a person is how you treat people when others may or may not be looking.

  • Eric Bell

    I have a basic opinion and a basic explanation of this situation. Call it Mind, Body, Spirit. What that means is if your Mind is “not right”, having “mental/emotional” problems, then your “spiritual” growth is going to be stunted, or just will not happen until you get your mind in a healthy condition. It would be like going to a psychologist because you are over weight, when yes you can problem handle some kind of anxiety issues that relate to over eating, but technically if someone is overweight they need to see a physician, possibly a nutritionist, maybe kinesiology specialist for getting a workout plan started. So if a family or a couple needs to get FAMILY COUNSELING or PSYCHOLOGICAL COUSNELING then that would need to happen. Spiritual growth is great. I lost my mother and step father within a 3 week period and NEEDED to go to church just to re-establish a better support mechanism on a level of spirituality. Luckily I have a good enough support mechanism to support good mental health, but I do not have (what seems to be related to this article) a false belief that “church participation will fix everything”. If your repeatedly doing the same thing over and over again and you are not getting anything out of it, to the point of families breaking apart, people start trying to kill themselves, they “hate” people different from themselves, sounds to me like they have more of a “serenity” problem being focused on the “wrong things” which means more of a mental health problem. Yes lack of access to proper medical care CAN be a problem, but it just seems that maintaining a status quo, or keeping it good with the good ‘ol boy crowd, meaning a false belief on what can work is what is at work with the situation in this article. It is what people DO with religion and spirituality that makes a difference. It just does not look good when someone self implodes because they are “devoted” to something.

  • Zelda

    I know, it’s the people who make such a spectacle of their religion who are so obnoxious. Followers of Jesus are charged by Him to perform works in secret.

  • Brian Novotny

    Amen brother!

  • Rusti

    It’s sad that such a beautiful soul as Jesus has been so vilified by those who hate in his name. If he were here he would probably change his name!

  • Daniel Guido

    As a person who couldn’t give a shit about what people think or what religion someone follows (myself belonging to no set of beliefs but my own), I think I can say with certainty that we all have the capacity to be the kind of person that the teachings of nearly every religion urges us to be, without religious support of any kind. So, yes, I agree; one’s attendance at a church or gathering place of faith doesn’t make you a better person, it’s your understanding of the teachings.

    Some people just can’t understand much, I guess.

  • AugustineThomas

    “Ironically, many of these same people who seem to live and breathe church are also some of the biggest pricks and hypocrites I know once they’re outside of church.”

    Is this your clinical finding professor?

  • AugustineThomas

    Atheists have the highest rates of self-reported misery, depression and suicide.

  • Kausam Salam

    No group, I don’t care what their “faith” is should forcefully try, or cunningly, try to threaten or convert an individual or groups…too many people don’t even practice being kind, compassionate, neighborly, or even forgiving. Too many people have tried to make people “better humans” when they themselves only talk their talk. Liberty? Fraternity? Equality? Where are we headed?