Here’s a List of Facts Debunking Anti-Hillary Clinton Myths, Lies & Ridiculous Conspiracies

Being a Hillary Clinton supporter isn’t always easy. Not because I question my support of her, but because literally hundreds of millions of dollars (over nearly a quarter century) has been spent trying to slander her name. The list of conspiracies, misinformation, lies and ridiculous propaganda people use to attack her is seemingly endless.



Not a joke: There’s actually a website that tracks the “people the Clintons have had killed.” The list has well over 90 names — including John F. Kennedy, Jr. Yes, this list claims that the Clintons killed the eldest son of JFK.

Oh! And apparently Bill Clinton isn’t actually Chelsea’s father.

While President Obama has absolutely endured a lot of scrutiny as president, nobody comes close to what Hillary Clinton has had to endure — for nearly 25 years.

So, in the spirit of the multi-hundred million dollar campaign that’s been spent trying to keep one woman out of the White House, I thought I’d take a few moments to debunk many (though not all, because I’m sure I’ll forget about as many as I’m about to list) of the myths, lies and ridiculous conspiracies that many people actually believe about Hillary Clinton.

Multiple Republican-led investigations have found that she wasn’t responsible for what happened in Benghazi: Despite what many Republican voters believe, the indisputable facts prove that there was nothing Hillary Clinton could have done to prevent what happened. And if you don’t believe me, or the Republicans in Congress who were desperately trying to blame this on her, then just ask the family of the late Ambassador Chris Stevens who’ve said it’s unfair to blame Clinton and they’re sick of his name being used for petty, political games.

No, Hillary Clinton didn’t “sleep through” the Benghazi attack: Actually, when the Benghazi attack occurred, it was mid-afternoon in Washington and she issued a public statement at 10 p.m. that night. Even in her infamous emails it shows she was emailing people around 11 p.m. that evening about the attack.

There was no “stand down” order given by Hillary Clinton or the Obama administration: Yeah, despite popular right-wing folklore, this never happened. Furthermore, as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton didn’t actually have that power.

She did not unilaterally approve a uranium deal with the Russians based on donations to the Clinton Foundation: Not only did nine other government departments have to sign off on this deal, even the author of Clinton Cash has admitted that there’s really no substainal evidence linking some sort of “pay for play” scheme while she was Secretary of State. Everything he claimed was based entirely on circumstantial evidence — which has been soundly debunked. And if you don’t believe me, just ask Fox News’ Chris Wallace who called out the author of Clinton Cash (where this myth started) last year for not having a “single piece of evidence that she was involved in this deal.”

While she was wrong to say that no emails marked classified passed through her server, the FBI director did say that none of the ones that did were properly marked, and that it was “reasonable” for someone to not be aware that they were classified: When FBI Director James Comey was asked by Rep. Matt Cartwright (D-PA) if the emails Clinton received were properly marked, he said they lacked the proper headers and banners indicating they were classified and it would be a “reasonable inference” to assume that, with the absence of those banners and headers, they weren’t classified. So, while she was wrong, based on Comey’s own words, she didn’t lie.



Now on to a few of the myths some on the left believe about Hillary Clinton.

She’s no better than a Repubilcan and just as conservative: She was actually ranked the 11th most liberal senator (much more liberal than Obama was) when she served, and she voted with Bernie Sanders 93 percent of the time. So, unlesss the difference between Sanders and a “conservative Republican” is seven percent of a voting record, then claiming she’s “no better than a Republican” is ridiculous.

If elected she would select conservative Supreme Court Justices: Based on what evidence? The last time we had a Clinton as president, he gave us Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer — two of our most consistently liberal Justices.

Her campaign contributions prove she’s nothing but a puppet for Wall Street: Actually, President Obama set a record for the amount raised by a candidate from Wall Street — then went on to pass strict financial regulations.

She’s been too pro-Wall Street: Actually, aside from one somewhat pro-Wall Street vote in eight years as senator, the only other Wall Street related issue you’ll find on her record was in 2007 when she called for tighter regulations on the finacial industry. And if you don’t believe me, just ask Bernie Sanders who, when asked during a debate to provide examples where Clinton had been corrupted by Wall Street, couldn’t pinpoint anything in her record where donations had impacted her voting record as a senator.

She opposes universal health care: The truth is, she was fighting for universal health care before a good chunk of Bernie Sanders’ voters were even born. Her stance this year was that she’d rather expand the Affordable Care Act to become true universal health care rather than start a whole new fight by trying to pass a completely different health care bill. Her argument was that she would rather fix what we have than start all over. Which actually makes sense!

As a lawyer, she defended a rapist: While this is true, she was ordered by a judge to take the case. When she tried to get out of it, the judge denied her request. So, she could have either thrown her career down the drain or followed through with what she was legally required to do by defending a client she didn’t want, but was ordered to defend by a judge.

She’s a shill for Walmart and served on their board of directors: While it’s true Clinton served on the board of Walmart, the reason why she was given that position was due in large part because Sam Walton was getting pressure to appoint a woman to the company’s board of directors. However, while serving on Walmart’s board, she became an advocate for hiring more women for management positions and pushed the company to adopt a much more comprehensive enviornmental program. So, yes, she served on Walmart’s board of directors from 1986-1992, and during that time she became a big advocate for the company promoting more women and establishing a much more extensive enviornmental program — how awful. 

Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Monsanto: Nope, never happened. Though on the subject of GMO’s, if you don’t like Clinton’s positions, might I suggest you heed the words of Neil deGrasse Tyson.

She only recently came out in support of same-sex marriage and equality for homosexuals: Yes, that’s true — but so did President Obama. Are we really going to attack someone for realizing a mistake and evolving on an issue? There are a lot of Democrats who once opposed same-sex marriage who now proudly support it. In fact, her husband (for the time he served) was considered the most “pro-gay” president in our nation’s history. Granted, by today’s standards many of the policies of the 90’s are archaic, but for their time they were incredibly progressive and controversial.

I could keep going, but those are some of the biggest myths, conspiracies and outright lies many folks on both the left and the right actually believe about Hillary Clinton.

It’s like I said the other day on Twitter, the vast majority of people I encounter who attack Hillary Clinton almost always use rhetoric that’s either based on blatant propaganda created simply to slander her name, ridiculous conspiracies, or an issue where the person is woefully misinformed about the actual facts.

I probably won’t change many minds with what I’ve written here, but I felt as if these myths needed to be debunked.

Feel free to hit me up on Twitter or Facebook and let me know what you think.




Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Barbara

    What are your sources? You can’t debunk a well-sourced story without giving sources.

    • huhseriously

      Her sources are the links in blue if you haven’t noticed…

      • Barbara

        If you follow the sources, they go back to the author’s previous articles, that are unsourced. Believe me, I followed all of them.

      • Mike G

        Obviously, you didn’t follow all of them, or you would have noticed that MOST of them go to sources other than the author (the first four links in the list go to other sources). I also checked out the links in the pieces that went to other articles by the author, and the vast majority of them went to other sources besides the author. So you might want to actually follow all the links before writing a comment, or you might appear to have an agenda.

      • sffoghorn

        You’ve seen it happen: A woman makes a simple statement in a meeting or in conversation and, as if out of nowhere, a mansplainer rises to the occasion to make his vast knowledge known. Mansplainers are teachers of all subjects and students of none—they will tell you things you didn’t know about yourself while affirming the already-true comments you’ve made. But a recent study has identified the mansplainer’s new prey: Himself.

        http://motto.time.com/4433108/men-mansplain-citation-study/

      • martin woyzeck

        Oh no, another feminazi throwing out the idiotic mansplainer term.
        I think it fits for womansplainers as well

      • sffoghorn

        I think that the piece I linked to in Time was ironic in the sense that it did a statistical analysis of self-citation in the academic literature and tongue in cheek tied it to mansplaining which, yes, is overused as a way to shut down conversation.

      • martin woyzeck

        Exactly, all it does is shut down a conversation. Women throw it out when they have no good argument.
        They do the same by calling any man misogynist if they disagree.
        Of course my comments here would make these type of women say I’m misogynist

      • martin woyzeck

        Using mansplainer only shows that particular woman to be weak. Using it as an excuse that they really don’t have a strong argument of their own, then they whine mansplainer cuz they can’t keep up with a debate.
        It’s so childish and weak.
        I’d say there’s much more womansplainers than mansplainers.
        They want their cake and eat it too.
        Men can’t have an opinion opposing any woman’s opinion, but it’s fine when a woman opposes a man’s opinion.
        What’s weak especially is when the topic is political, and a woman turns it into a man/woman thing by throwing out stupid terms like mansplainer

      • Rob Clarke

        YEAH, BELIEVE ME TOOOOO. LOL!

      • Marcus Walters

        Sources, argue these Government official documents:
        CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
        https://www.archives.gov/isoo/

        Questionnaire for National Security Positions:
        http://www.gsa.gov/portal/form

        Note: None of anything I wrote is opinion based, I referenced real government documents, real laws, not opinions, not personal preference, nor any political affiliation… so whats your excuse for her now?
        Did Clinton cause Benghazi? did anyone ever accuse her of that?

        She did lie about it to the public.

        She did fail to act in every way she could.

        She did share classified information with foreign entities, not in the best interest of the US, failing to divulge this information.

        She did use unauthorized systems to transmit classified information, this is a crime, you sir would guaranteed go to jail for if you did it.

        I don’t care about political garbage, but the fact is, she betrayed her oath, violated multiple laws, and is getting away with it, that is not a conspiracy, not fiction, its fact. If you are ok with her and other politicians not being accountable for crimes you and I would spend a lifetime in jail for, fine, I am not.

        So how about debunking these facts? Are you actually going to insult every bit of human intelligence and say that these facts are not real? Go ahead, tell me, and anyone else you may find that ever worked for the government that what I am saying is not true… and before you do, read the form EVERYONE MUST fill out to get a security clearance, and especially the one to receive the clearance. Don’t think she committed a crime, read, especially the references to USC. Links attached:

        CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
        https://www.archives.gov/isoo/

        Questionnaire for National Security Positions:
        http://www.gsa.gov/portal/form

        I would like to see the questionnaire she filled out… I would almost bet, in fact guarantee she lied on portions of it, she had to… especially about handling classified info… by the way, another felony crime in the US… just to add to the list….

      • Marcus is just one of those copy/paste trolls. He really should have someone do the same thing to his house, pasting hundreds of copies of a giant poster reading GROW UP all over his walls.

      • Marcus Walters

        here you are again.. actually I did not mean to repeat it hear, I am actually new to Diqus.. but hey, what would the world be without keyboard warriors with fake names who call names.. it has its place for people like you too 😛

      • Rory Partalis

        Marcus, what classified info did she share with foreign entities, and who did she share it with?

        Did Republicans do everything they could to prevent Benghazi? The White House was requesting additional funding for protection of embassies and consulates, but were denied by Republicans in Congress. I find it strange that in the 2012 election Benghazi was Obama’s fault, but now, four years later, after nine Republican investigations, it is now Hillary’s fault, but nobody can clearly point to anything illegal, or even intentionally unethical she did. You should be ashamed for using the death of Americans as a political punching bag.

        Is using unauthorized systems as Secretary of State illegal? My understanding is that it is an Executive Branch rule, not a law, so nothing criminal. And the FBI clearly said that anything classified she sent was either incorrectly labeled or not deemed classified until after she sent it. And there was no indication that she sent it to anyone who wasn’t authorized to see it anyway. That is why there were no charges brought against her.

        I agree that her tendency towards privacy and ambiguous answers hurts her trustworthiness, but I’d like for you to be very clear about what laws she broke and how she broke them…

      • martin woyzeck

        What is this, the tenth time on this thread you’re posting the exact same thing? Yes, that is trolling. And it means you can’t speak for yourself

    • adamf663

      You’re asking to prove a negative. It’s up the the original claimant to provide evidence. Disagree? How about this: prove you don’t owe me a billion dollars. I could have materialized out of thin air, given you the money with your promise to repay, then vanished the same way. Prove it didn’t happen.

      • martin woyzeck

        That was so well said adam

      • Marcus Walters

        CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
        https://www.archives.gov/isoo/

        Note: None of anything I wrote is opinion based, I referenced real government documents, real laws, not opinions, not personal preference, nor any political affiliation… so whats your excuse for her now?
        Did Clinton cause Benghazi? did anyone ever accuse her of that?

        She did lie about it to the public.

        She did fail to act in every way she could.

        She did share classified information with foreign entities, not in the best interest of the US, failing to divulge this information.

        She did use unauthorized systems to transmit classified information, this is a crime, you sir would guaranteed go to jail for if you did it.

        I don’t care about political garbage, but the fact is, she betrayed her oath, violated multiple laws, and is getting away with it, that is not a conspiracy, not fiction, its fact. If you are ok with her and other politicians not being accountable for crimes you and I would spend a lifetime in jail for, fine, I am not.

        So how about debunking these facts? Are you actually going to insult every bit of human intelligence and say that these facts are not real? Go ahead, tell me, and anyone else you may find that ever worked for the government that what I am saying is not true… and before you do, read the form EVERYONE MUST fill out to get a security clearance, and especially the one to receive the clearance. Don’t think she committed a crime, read, especially the references to USC. Links attached:

        CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
        https://www.archives.gov/isoo/

        Questionnaire for National Security Positions:
        http://www.gsa.gov/portal/form

        I would like to see the questionnaire she filled out… I would almost bet, in fact guarantee she lied on portions of it, she had to… especially about handling classified info… by the way, another felony crime in the US… just to add to the list….

      • Oh, I see you just copy & paste that bullshit every chance you get, Marcus, you troll.

      • Marcus Walters

        nope, just sharing the facts with those that clearly dont see them… how about you try reading… again the guy who uses a fake name to post calls me a troll… hahahaaaaa

      • martin woyzeck

        Sorry, but posting the same crap numerous times on one thread is being a troll.
        Not to mention, whenever I see someone only being able to bombard threads with links, it means they don’t have the intelligence to use their own words to carry on an intelligent discussion

      • martin woyzeck

        And no, using a fake name means absolutely nothing.
        It means a person wants to keep their own name out of stupid internet fights. That’s it.
        My name here is fake. I use my real name for social and business purposes.
        Social/political sites I want it separate. It’s that simple. Poor and lame reason for saying someone is a troll because of it.
        All it shows when someone says someone else is a troll due to fake name, means that really don’t have any argument of substance, and resorts to calling them a troll. It’s very childish.
        But merely bombarding threads with unsubstantiated drivel, without their own solid debate points definitely makes them a troll

      • Christine Khang

        Tell it to the frog. ;))

    • martin woyzeck

      Well yes you can. In today’s internet world, I’ve seen that every source has a slant, which means it’s not necessarily all together factual.
      When certain portions are left out, that is lying,and not telling the whole story.
      And most sources do that, according to what agenda they are pushing. Even the so called fact checking sites are slanted. I couldn’t believe it, when I read some of them
      Words are words. Because one source says something is true, doesn’t mean it is

  • As an impartial outsider it seems top me a lot of the ‘myths’ being ‘deunked’ in this are actually well documented facts. Being a libertarian I could never deny people the right to be wrong, but let’s have some respect for reality.

    • Sandy Bartlett

      Proof, facts?

    • Mel

      Where are said “well documented facts”? Let-er rip.

    • martin woyzeck

      Libertaryans are the worse, and have no sense of reality.I’m being sincere.
      The libertaryan party has put out more lies, fabrications, conspiracy theories,etc. than any other party, worse than repubs

      • Martin dear boy, the word is ‘libertarian’. Another word that applies not to me but to you is illiterate.

      • martin woyzeck

        art ,dear boy, learn to read between the lines.
        Libertaryan, you moron, as in libertarians are connected with all white aryan groups.
        Are you telling me you don’t know that? Now who is illiterate!

      • I’m a Celt actually, and what ‘white aryans’ are you talking about? If the Aryan (note capitalization, it’s a proper noun;) race existed at all, they were native to India and Persia and so would have been dark skinned. Poor old Adolf was not an educated many (you seem to have a lot in common with him) and confused the Aryans with the Hyperboreans. (N.B. Not Hyperboryans but Hyperboreans – oh and N.B. is an abbreviation for ‘note well’. That’s Latin did you know.)
        Once again you show your illiteracy. But you are wonderful comedy value so keep going.

    • martin woyzeck

      I’m a Bernie supporter, not voting for anyone.
      But you as a libertaryan have no place to say what’s been debunked,myth or reality.
      Libertaryans have no sense of what a fact is.
      If you get your info from alexjones, jesseventura, ronnienazipaul, reason magazine, catoinstitute, mikeadams/naturalnews, tomwoods, stefanmolineaux,etc. , you have no place to say what is a fact.
      They are all liars and a joke

      • Martin, your quality of life will be vastly improved if you remember to take your medication. BTW I don’t get my information from any of the sources you mention, so by your twisted logic I have every right to say what is fact.
        But it is you who lies, far from being a Bernie supporter you reveal yourself as a Clinton troll.

      • martin woyzeck

        Love the way libertaryans lie within their lies and don’t even know it.
        ‘So by your twisted logic I have the right to say what is fact’??? That in itself has zero logic. But then,you’re a libertaryan, There never is logic, as they never really even know what they’re saying.
        hahaha…….is that what you nazi libertaryans call a lie, you telling me I’m not a Bernie supporter ,but a hillary voter?! Ok, if you say so.
        Is that what you nazis call a fact, cuz you said so?
        Honestly, don’t give a shit what you want to believe, or what I have amazingly ‘revealed’.
        Believe what you want to believe, just know it’s a belief, not fact.
        And please learn what the term troll really means.
        On this kind of site, not sure probably hillary voters think Bernie supporters are trolls and vice versa.
        But most definitely anyone from the far reichwing, whether libertaryans, teacrappers or repubs are trolls.
        The term being, what the hell are you doing on a liberal,progressive site, when you’re from the reichwing?. That is a definite troll.
        You lame moron

      • If you knew how to spell libertarian Martin, I might be inclined to tak you just a little bit seriously.

  • Virgil Lassiter

    Avoid and deflect. Any good defense lawyer knows to point at others instead of exposing a clients guilt. Hillary has an army of those who wish nothing more then help her do that really hey lifting.
    If the article wasn’t an attempt at being progressively accurate it would be laughable.

    • George Hedrick

      from someone who can’t spell.

      • martin woyzeck

        Don’t be a nerdy anal retentive jerk.
        Since Virgil’s comment had everything spelled precisely right, except for ‘hey’, guessing he meant ‘heavy’, it obviously was a typo.
        There is a difference.
        Don’t be so immature george

      • George Hedrick

        web police?. You sure comment a lot. Who are the “Libertaryans”?

      • martin woyzeck

        Web police? What hypocrisy! You jump on someone else’s spelling (which you wouldn’t if you agreed with his politics…more hypocrisy), but can’t spell it yourself, and you call me web police???!
        Not to mention what a moron you are.
        Libertaryan, as in libertarians are strongly connected with white aryans.
        The spelling is intentional. Are you really that stupid……don’t answer that, I can tell, you are.

      • martin woyzeck

        Commenting a lot is a lot better than some idiot who has nothing intelligent to say about the topic, can only comment on someone’s spelling.
        If you had any intelligence, maybe you could’ve intelligently debated what was said.
        But you don’t, so you weakly resort to ‘learn how to spell’.
        George, you’re truly pathetic

  • Shawn Bordoff

    I am a Bernie Sanders supporter and I voted for him in the primaries but the moment Hilary won the nomination, I decided to vote for her. To say that both Trump and Clinton are terrible is a false equivalency. It’s very important to stop Donald from becoming President.

    • Kimberly

      YES, This is a great article to share with other Bernie friends!! I look forward to seeing what he will achieve with Hillary in office!

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    • Ronald Bruce Robinson

      I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw people who claim to support Bernie (but refuse to follow his call for them to support Clinton and Dems) spreading conspiracies that she and the DNC have recently killed people to prevent them from proving that Bernie was “cheated” etc. And these are people in the 40s. Are they nuts or working for Karl Rove?

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      • Helen Bodel

        Both!

      • martin woyzeck

        That’s because Bernie supporters such as myself are more intelligent and individualists than liberal dems.
        Liberal dems have proven to be just as naive, blind and brainwashed as gop’ers.
        Sorry, but your comment is very naive and plainly stupid.
        No one said hillary and the dnc killed people, and if so, those were gop trolls.
        But that the dnc sabotaged Bernie’s campaign and rigged the election, that is fact. That’s not speculation or conspiracy theory.See ronny that’s where the naivety and blindness comes in, not wanting to hear what you should hear.
        That part of it is fact. I’d say the ‘killing people…’ part you probably made up.
        During this election I’ve seen liberal dems lying and being as childish as gop’ers.
        And yes, I’m in my 50’s.
        I’m writing in Bernie. No, not some radical.
        My choice is from going through decades of elections and seeing the same thing.
        Dems getting weaker and weaker, afraid of the right, as well as going further to the right.
        So yes, I’m fed up with dems and the failure of the two party system.
        A lot of crap on hillary is crap, but on the whole dem party it is not.
        My non vote of hillary has more to do with the dem party, and two party system.
        Liberal dems should’ve woken up when Nader ran, but especially now with Bernie, that the Left,progressives ,etc. is not the same as liberal dems.
        We’re not the same, and don’t want the same candidates.
        Either way of whoever wins, liberal dems will be at fault as to the outcome. It’s on your shoulders.

      • Wenneker

        No – if Trump wins it will be people like you who will share the blame. I only a few years left to my life but you will be after to remember your “choice” for a longer lifetime.

      • martin woyzeck

        Nope, that’s where you’re wrong.
        Those voting other than dem or repub know its’ not them to blame at all.
        They’re the ones wanting true change,and doing something about it.
        You make an ignorant assumption that it’s only youth voting other than dem/repub.
        I’m 59. My vote of Bernie is because I’ve been through many elections,and have seen it’s the same over and over,and it doesn’t get better, dem or repub.
        My vote is from experience.

      • cfbcfb

        You’re NOT “doing something about it”. You’re peeing into the wind.

        If you want to do something about it, get money and influence into whatever party that represents you. Independents, greens and libertarians not only don’t have those essential things, they keep nominating fringe kooks that other kooks want to vote for.

        How far does President Sanders go with a Republican house and senate? Nowhere. How likely are 4-5% of the voters to get progressives into a majority? Zero. How likely is it that people whose families have voted on a party line for 100-200 years to change up? Zero. Now, ten years from now and 50 years from now.

      • jjdoe

        I thought Bernie and Hillary ran fairly clean campaigns, early on. Until Bernie became a threat. Then they both shifted negative. Did Team Hillary, or the DNC rig it so she would win? Maybe. To some extent, they all do that. Is the system rigged for the biggest player? It always is.
        Was this some vast Putin-like conspiracy, of only Hillary’s making? Now who is being naive!
        Go ahead and stroke your ego with a Bernie write-in. If Trump wins, you can console yourself with the thought that you are smarter than everyone else. Because you ARE, right?!!

      • karretop

        How did Bernie go negative?? The DNC is mandated to support both candidates equally – they did not do that and they do not deny rigging the election and threatening Bernie – is that your version of democracy? If Trump gets elected, blame Hillary and the crooked DNC – who wants to elect a cheater?

      • martin woyzeck

        Well said.

      • disqus_15iytZpnDX

        We need Trump to be president! Hillary is president will be the end of our country as we know it. No one can be that insane to elect this hideous woman.

      • cfbcfb

        The DNC is NOT mandated to do any such thing, by anyone, for any reason. The DNC is a private organization with superdelegates that can decide on any candidate for any reason.

      • martin woyzeck

        See this is where you hillbots go into the same blind denail as teabaggers.
        No, Bernie didn’t shift to negative.
        Did the dnc rig the election….maybe. Maybe , you say. For one, it was factually proven. But even if you’re not sure, but you think it’s a possibility, doesn’t that say a lot about the party? You really want that kind of a party to represent our country. Gop isn’t any better,hence why everyone’s going to third parties.
        Love how both dems and repubs say ‘they all do that’.
        As if it’s ok.
        This is the problem with liberal dems. They’re ok with the lesser of two evils
        DNC and GOP do these things, that’s not all of them do.
        I am right. And it will be hillary voters fault for whatever happens to this country, including if trump wins.

      • nclarry

        Here’s the problem with your “logic”. If you are not okay with (as you frame the situation – and I don’t agree with it but let’s say you are right for sake of argument), the lesser of two evils, then you are at a minimum doing nothing to stop the greater of two evils, and if the greater of two evils wins you can congratulate yourself on not standing in the way of Armageddon because of your “principles”.

      • disqus_15iytZpnDX

        Trump is the only hope our country has left to survive. If you want Hillary to be The next president, you’re throwing our country in the trash. This woman cannot be trusted and cannot be allowed to hold the highest office with her scheming lying hands.

      • Charlotte Leffler

        No, it’s on the shoulders of write in and non voters. Consider your vote going to emperor trump.

      • martin woyzeck

        If I were you, you need to consider what you’re doing with your vote. It’s the same old, where nothing changes, and nothing gets better.
        Dems keep fooling themselves that things get better under a dem admin.
        Our country is in the worst condition it’s been for decades, and we’ve had 8yrs of dem admin

      • nclarry

        Seriously? I get that you probably don’t remember anything before the 90’s, but get some perspective, dude. I have lived through the 60’s/70’s – Vietnam, civil rights riots and lynchings, presidential assassinations and Watergate, millions marching on Washington to demonstrate against the war, National Guardsmen shooting peaceful protesters dead on college campuses, coming to the brink of nuclear holocaust during the Cuban Missile Crisis. My parents lived through the Great Depression and a war that was by far the deadliest ever, 50-75M deaths, far exceeding the War to End all Wars which itself far exceeded all previous wars. You don’t remember any of that, I guess, but I am shocked you think we are worse off now than we were when Obama took office. And I realize you won’t facts get in the way of a good bout of insanity, but here are some for others reading this discussion:

        Since President Barack Obama first took office:
        The economy has added nearly 10.7 million jobs.
        Median household income has gone up $1,140, or 2 percent.
        The buying power of the average worker’s weekly paycheck is up 4.2 percent.
        Median sales prices of existing single-family homes are up 23 percent.
        The unemployment rate has dropped well below the historical norm; job openings are at a 15-year high.
        Corporate profits and stock prices have both soared to record highs.
        The number of people lacking health insurance has gone down by 16.5 million.
        The murder rate is down nearly 5 percent, despite an increase in 2015.
        The number of unauthorized immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S. is down, according to demographers.
        Wind and solar power have quadrupled; coal production has dropped 36 percent; carbon emissions have gone down 12 percent.
        However, the poverty rate is still 0.3 percentage points higher, and the number of Americans on food stamps is up nearly 36 percent.
        Federal debt has more than doubled, and annual federal deficits, after shrinking, are again on the rise.
        The home ownership rate has dropped to the lowest point in more than 50 years.
        Handgun production has more than doubled.

        http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-numbers-october-2016-update/

      • cfbcfb

        Actually by virtually every measure the country is far better off than it was 8 years ago and if you go back past one more administration (Bush) to the Clinton 8 years, those were among the most prosperous in my very long lifetime.

      • Rebecca Hager

        Then you are voting for Trump..Bernie would say the same thing…this election is too important..don’t you see that?With every statement Trump makes?If Hillary becomes President Bernie will have a stronge platform to get his agendas through..if Trump wins we are all screwed!!!

      • cfbcfb

        Pssst…let me help you out with something.

        The DNC is a private organization, not a public one and has zero directive to follow voters. They’re looking to nominate the best candidate to win the election.

        So had Bernie actually won every single primary, they could have said “so what?” and nominated Clinton anyhow.

        So all of this talk about sabotage and rigging is ridiculous. They didn’t need to do either one.

        They chose the Democrat instead of the independent running as a democrat because they felt she was the most electable. The voters agreed.

        And you can vote for all of the Naders, Perots and Sanders’ you want. None of them are electable and won’t be in our lifetimes or the next.

        Thanks for throwing your vote away and assisting Donald Trump in his election efforts. I’m sure you’ll be much happier with him than Clinton.

        Its so much fun every 4 years to see that ~4-5% of voters who aren’t that bright.

      • martin woyzeck

        One point of liberal dem immaturity is when they throw out Bernie supporters are teapartiers or i.e. working for Rove’.
        Very childish, and plainly stupid.
        Those comments come out when hillary dems don’t have anything of substance to say

      • Cam Michelson

        I know first hand that Bernie supporters are not from or in the Tea-party! I am one of them! I love and support Senator Sanders in anything he says because I know he has spent his entire life fighting injustice too!

      • disqus_15iytZpnDX

        Clinton lied and cheated to steal the election from Bernie Sanders involvement. He was then paid off, and you’re OK with that? Serious?

      • nclarry

        Evidence? I didn’t think so.

      • WakeUp3

        are you kidding, disqus? It is something very UNsinister called DEMOGRAPHICS. Bernie Sanders won in states that were mostly white. Hillary Clinton won in states with large non-white segments of the Democratic party in those states. Bernie was never appealing to minorities. You can’t blame that on Hillary or the DNC.

    • Marcus Walters

      CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
      https://www.archives.gov/isoo/

      Questionnaire for National Security Positions:
      http://www.gsa.gov/portal/form

      Note: None of anything I wrote is opinion based, I referenced real government documents, real laws, not opinions, not personal preference, nor any political affiliation… so whats your excuse for her now?
      Did Clinton cause Benghazi? did anyone ever accuse her of that?

      She did lie about it to the public.

      She did fail to act in every way she could.

      She did share classified information with foreign entities, not in the best interest of the US, failing to divulge this information.

      She did use unauthorized systems to transmit classified information, this is a crime, you sir would guaranteed go to jail for if you did it.

      I don’t care about political garbage, but the fact is, she betrayed her oath, violated multiple laws, and is getting away with it, that is not a conspiracy, not fiction, its fact. If you are ok with her and other politicians not being accountable for crimes you and I would spend a lifetime in jail for, fine, I am not.

      So how about debunking these facts? Are you actually going to insult every bit of human intelligence and say that these facts are not real? Go ahead, tell me, and anyone else you may find that ever worked for the government that what I am saying is not true… and before you do, read the form EVERYONE MUST fill out to get a security clearance, and especially the one to receive the clearance. Don’t think she committed a crime, read, especially the references to USC. Links attached:

      CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
      https://www.archives.gov/isoo/security-forms/sf312.pdf

      Questionnaire for National Security Positions:
      http://www.gsa.gov/portal/forms/download/116390

      I would like to see the questionnaire she filled out… I would almost bet, in fact guarantee she lied on portions of it, she had to… especially about handling classified info… by the way, another felony crime in the US… just to add to the list….

      • Marcus Walters

        I wonder, if what I said is what you so eloquently stated, are you sayingoing that the federal forms are as well, along with the websites they are posted on? Or did you not read… I am guessing you did not and make your statement with pure unadulterated ignorance in all its magestick glory 😛

      • martin woyzeck

        You don’t seem to intelligent, as you continue with the Benghazi propaganda.
        If people are going to make Hillary responsible for the 4 deaths there, then more responsibility should be on raygun, both bush’s and the entire gop.
        Over a hundred died overseas under raygun. 70 under bush.
        During Bill’s admin, Hillary proposed more funding for security for Americans overseas.
        The gop used that opportunity to propose decreasing funding for Americans overseas.
        That’s a fact. Amazing, with all your supposed facts to links, you didn’t know any of what I said.
        So with a decrease in funding strictly due to repubs, who is at fault?!
        And why is this such a big deal that 4 died, when over three times as many died under other admins?
        You need to stop only looking at lying propaganda. And learn what facts are.

      • Marcus Walters

        what comment, gladly… propoganda? seriously, what do you know about state security? military operations? Defense department policies? and how does funding remove the fact that top advisers and personel gave her actionable intel and plans to react and she told them they could not act.. so what is your point? That marines, Air Force and Special Operations personnel poised and ready to respond were told to stand down and that has something to do with funding??? you clearly have no clue what our operational procedures are, nor capabilities.. its ignorance you clearly show about these things that she (Clinton) feeds on. Do tell Mr. Woyzeck, where does your expertise come from? Mine comes from years of applicable military service and civil service, and that of hundreds of the best operators on the planet.. go ahead, school me about security and combat operations, please… If anyone has made themselves look like an idiot its you. 100% AND NO OTHER PRESIDENCY HAS SUCH AN ATTACK GONE UNANSWERED, NEVER IN HISTORY WAS A STAND DOWN ORDER GIVEN WHERE AMERICAN CIVILIANS WOULD DIE.. SO stop spreading your uninformed self righteous and pompous statements and listen to those that actually know what is what…

      • Marcus Walters

        Why don’t you tell Kris Paronto, Mark Geist, and John Teigen. They were there, they can attest to Clinton telling security forces to stand down, IN FACT THEY HAVE!.. Good men died that day, defending American civilians, and the state department denied sending marines under the control of the State Department, for exactly that purpose, giving a stand down order to those men, leaving them to die… Dont believe me, ask the men that were there, and read up on the Marine contingent forces assigned to protect our embassies, who were not allowed to on Clinton’s order.. you are sadly informed and pathetically self righteous in your suposed education of the facts Mr. Woyzeck

      • Marcus Walters

        Oh, During Bill’s administration she proposed what? Are you stupid, she was the FIRST LADY NOT THE PRESIDENT… or does that escape you… also your quotations of other operations are factually false, again under educated and lacking knowledge. Those attacks under Reagan (learn to spell lol) and Bush on our embassies were sudden and responded to immediately with marines and special operations forces sent immediately, just as when Bill was president… ALL ATTACKS ON OUR EMBASSIES WERE MET WITH IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, EXCEPT BENGHAZI… so pull your head out of your fourth point of contact and read, educate yourself… sit down and be quiet and learn… I don’t tell a doctor how to operate on a patient.. or a math teacher how to do math… by the same token you don’t tell me how military operations work, are we clear on that?

      • Marcus Walters

        you can see who I am, look me up on linked in, I have no fear of you or anyone… someone wants to threaten me, l welcome it.. people like you hiding behind hidden profiles, fake names and loud mouths spewing political rhetoric make me sick, you have no clue about anything your talking about, but act like you do… But is is a free country, so fortunately for you, oxygen thieves have equal rights as well

      • martin woyzeck

        I would really like to see how you would respond to my comment below, as it throws away everything that you’ve said

      • Marcus Walters

        READ MY REPLIES, you don’t throw off anything, Republican and Democrat hardliners are the problem, the established ruling parties that they should not be.. and the choices suck on both sides

        SO here is some info for you about classified information that she has to know (she signed that she did, like anyone who has access to classified documents or info in any form!).. again your way outmatched…

        32 CFR 2001.41a & c reads as follows:
        § 2001.41 Responsibilities of holders.
        Authorized persons who have access to classified information are responsible for:
        (a) Protecting it from persons without authorized access to that information, to include securing it in approved equipment or facilities whenever it is not under the direct control of an authorized person;
        (b) Meeting safeguarding requirements prescribed by the agency head; and
        (c) Ensuring that classified information is not communicated over unsecured voice or data circuits, in public conveyances or places, or in any other manner that permits interception by unauthorized persons.
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/32/2001.41

        US PENAL CODE:
        18 U.S. Code § 793 – Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

        22 CFR 120.27 – U.S. criminal statutes.
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/120.27

        32 CFR 2001.41 – Responsibilities of holders.
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/783

        50 U.S. Code § 783 – Offenses
        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/783

        Pure facts… unless Cambridge University is a part of some conspiracy lol, I suppose anything is possible 🙂

        NOW TELL ME CLINTON DID NOT COMMIT MULTIPLE FELONIES AND IS NOT A CRIMINAL… For the love of God, (If my belief in god offends you, deal with it, I accept your ignorance 🙂 ) SHE WOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON IF THE LAW WAS APPLIED AS WRITTEN. Are people really so dense they cannot understand this? Its written at an 8th grade level for pete’s sake..
        The problem here is, people go with the status quo.. blindly accepting those in power would be honest.. well they are not..
        Why does the FBI not want to recommend prosecution, well that is because it’s head knew she was doing this and therefor under the law as written is culpable and also would have to be charged, like he would charge himself for a treasonous act.. get real.. lambs to the slaughter…
        SO WHO IS MISINFORMED? Tell me again please…

    • disqus_15iytZpnDX

      So you don’t want to country to improve and allow 100,000 terrorist to come in our country. Serious?

    • Penny LB Perkins

      So you wanted Sanders, Hillary pays him to get out and you’re ok with that, wow.

  • John Daly

    she should just be called on being a proud warmonger, this is good reading: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=0

    • strayaway

      “the indisputable facts prove that there was nothing Hillary Clinton could have done to prevent what happened (in Benghazi) ”

      Wrong. The indisputable fact is that Hillary, as Secretary of State, championed the policy of declaring war on Libya by executive order. Of course, the buck stops with Obama but had Khadafi been left alone, Islamic factions would not have taken over big hunks of Libya resulting in the invasion of Mali, the degradation of Libya’s economy, turning Libya into a refugee font, the theft of US surface to air missiles probably destined to Syria (another disastrous warmongering Hillary policy), and Benghazi. The problem too many Republicans have is that they were silent and supportive of the Hillary/Obama executive war on Libya so the only thing they can complain about is Hillary’s handling of Benghazi.

      • Wrong. The indisputable fact is, Hillary did not cause the unrest happening in Libya. Obama did not cause the unrest in Libya. Islamic factions already had “big hunks” of Libya, which is the actual unrest we’re talking about. That they didn’t put their tights on and fly in like superheroes to solve all the world’s problems is hardly reason to blame them for every bad thing that happened in Libya, but it sure is what people love to do.

      • strayaway

        President Obama, Hillary, and Bernie disagree with you. Islamic factions did not have big hunks of Libya as long as Khomeini was in power. In fact, Libya had one of the highest standards of living; education, heath care, women’s rights, etc. in the Arab world until Hillary and Obama bombed the place and turned into Somalia light. When asked what the biggest failure of his presidency was, Obama answered, “Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya.” So you see, Obama accepts the discredit for “intervening in Libya”. Hillary also blamed the President for carrying out her proposals. Bernie blamed Hillary for in his words “getting actively involved to overthrow and bring about regime change without fully understanding what the consequence of that regime change would be”. Face it, Hillary is a warmongering fool who has already shown she is out of her league.

      • Marcus Walters

        no she did not cause the unrest, not directly, but riddle this… who gave isis funding in the beginning, money and weapons… again, learn some facts Mr. “Redspider” And yes they could have simply given our military and operators in the area permission to defend and extract our personnel, and they refused, even when advised. Yes that may have endangered military personnel, but that is what they do, and why they do it. Even so people like you can hide behind a keyboard, use a fake name and spew unfounded, undocumented propaganda that has nothing to do with facts. Could they have done something, the answer is yes. Did they, no. Did they cause it no. Did they help create the problem by helping found ISIS, yes. Did they know that ISIS would become what it is, yes and no. They did help create the problem, those are facts. Then they lied about it, only conceding what they had to, so people like you would be distracted from reality and facts, blindly following them. People have a choice, they don’t have to vote for Clinton, or for Trump, we have alternatives, but because people like you exist, those alternatives are mired into the nether, and are not considered. There is a third party, currently the better option in my humble opinion. I wonder, do you even know there is another party other than democrats and republicans? How about founding your argument with facts… try it, you might surprise yourself, and me especially, it is possible.. clearly you can read, try actually using that skill.

    • April Callahan

      Yes it is a good read, but you apparently either didn’t read it and went by the headline only, read only part, or you didn’t understand it. It describes a situation between a rock and a hard place where a decision had to be made, she was meticulous in her asking a myriad of questions, took the information she was given and possible outcomes into thoughtful consideration, before coming to her recommendation to the President. These ARE the qualities, of someone who knows just how difficult the job of POTUS is. This is not the movies, where everything always
      works out perfectly in the end. These are the realities of the hardest job in the country. This was actually an article that shows her qualities for POTUS, not the other way around, as anyone with a clear head and brain would clearly see. I shudder to think, what will happen, as awful as this outcome was, when a similar situation presents itself in a Trump Presidency, having access to the codes. So thank you John Day, you have certainly convinced me, I’m with her!

      • Marcus Walters

        CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
        https://www.archives.gov/isoo/

        Questionnaire for National Security Positions:
        http://www.gsa.gov/portal/form

        Note: None of anything I wrote is opinion based, I referenced real government documents, real laws, not opinions, not personal preference, nor any political affiliation… so whats your excuse for her now?
        Did Clinton cause Benghazi? did anyone ever accuse her of that?

        She did lie about it to the public.

        She did fail to act in every way she could.

        She did share classified information with foreign entities, not in the best interest of the US, failing to divulge this information.

        She did use unauthorized systems to transmit classified information, this is a crime, you sir would guaranteed go to jail for if you did it.

        I don’t care about political garbage, but the fact is, she betrayed her oath, violated multiple laws, and is getting away with it, that is not a conspiracy, not fiction, its fact. If you are ok with her and other politicians not being accountable for crimes you and I would spend a lifetime in jail for, fine, I am not.

        So how about debunking these facts? Are you actually going to insult every bit of human intelligence and say that these facts are not real? Go ahead, tell me, and anyone else you may find that ever worked for the government that what I am saying is not true… and before you do, read the form EVERYONE MUST fill out to get a security clearance, and especially the one to receive the clearance. Don’t think she committed a crime, read, especially the references to USC. Links attached:

        CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT:
        https://www.archives.gov/isoo/

        Questionnaire for National Security Positions:
        http://www.gsa.gov/portal/form

        I would like to see the questionnaire she filled out… I would almost bet, in fact guarantee she lied on portions of it, she had to… especially about handling classified info… by the way, another felony crime in the US… just to add to the list….

      • Nope. No on all the bullshit you just said.

      • Marcus Walters

        So I am a troll, any other intelligent additives to the conversation other than name calling? No, I do not need to stoop to that level. Learn to read, inform yourself, and don’t insult me for sharing facts, even if you don’t like them, it just makes you look ignorant. Try this, disprove what I posted, use some facts, have a real discussion, not childish name calling. By the way, I used my real name, I am not afraid to say who I am.. and you call me a troll? The guy who cannot even use his real name. hmmmm….

      • markdouglas

        Good point about using real name. I got calls at home threatening me for post unflattering of Rober E Lee. You can never tell what kind of lunatic you piss off, by telling the truth, so I do use now an avatar on some things. My point is — you say you read? What do you think the rest of us do? Drink tea? It’s important to know what you read. This is so true of history, where you can learn Robert E Lee tortured slave girls, bought kidnapped women from the North illegally. yes he did. But you have to get that from HIS OWN PAPERS. Jeff Davis was a coward, told his wife to get herself killed- – but you have to read his OWN papers (in this case, his wife’s letter). You can easily hate people you should admire, and admire people you should hate, if you inhale the wrong things. Garbage in garbage out. I have no clue what your position is on Hillary, I just read your note above. It does not matter. If you can or will not or do not want to doubt your sources, you are almost certainly to fall for bulshit by self confident liars. People tend to believe anything told to them by self confident liars- – especially when the self confident liars push hate and fear, It’s just physical reality — self confident hate mongers can drown out everyone else. It works.

      • Marcus Walters

        Maybe you should read my post, my reference was to the facts, posted documents used by the government… as far as the name thing.. it was the pointless name calling and noncontributing statements, and the subject is not Lee or others but now that you mention it, why do Americans put up wit politicians and leaders who are corrupt like Clinton or Lee as you so well stated… though addmitedly I don’t know much about Lee, that’s not the point, we have options, and if the best we have to offer is Clinton or Trump, then it is a sad day indeed…

      • martin woyzeck

        Well honestly marcus, you have no place to tell anyone to inform themselves, when you don’t know the half of it.
        By posting lame links , without showing the deaths of Americans from other admins, that were triple what happened in Benghazi, it does make you a troll
        So try this marcus, let’s put aside disproving your posts, even tho that would be easy to do, I want to hear from you how you explain what happened in Bengahzi is worse than under rayguns or bush’s admin.
        And I want to hear from you, who is truly to blame with Benghazi when it was the gop who pushed to decrease security for Americans overseas.
        So yes, I’d really like to hear a ‘real discussion’. Haven’t heard it from you. If you fail to mention what I have, meaning facts that are intentionally left out, it does make one a liar, or extremely uninformed

  • Rick Pettry

    Bull shit . I watched when they questioned Hillary. I also watched when the FBI was questioned on why Hillary Clinton was no charged. So this is crap. They said she wasn’t charged because at the time they questioned her she didn’t lie. But she did lie to the rest of us. Hillary is protected by The Obama administration.

  • Rhonda

    I’ve been waiting for something like this to inform especially those people duped by right wing proaganda…so I’m disappointed that you didn’t debunk the “90 people she’s killed” myth. Because, yes, I know people that actually believe that one.

    • Ronald Bruce Robinson

      NOw, its Far Left White Third Party supporters spreading this insanity. They refuse to follow Bernie’s call to support her and Democrats and all they have left is their hatred of Hillary. Sad and pathetic.

      • martin woyzeck

        Sorry for the insults ronnie but you’re a moron.
        The far Left white third party???! What is that? Do you know?
        I don’t think so.
        This is what I mean by lying liberal dem immaturity. You’re like a 5yr old. Stop spreading lies about those who support Bernie, and not hillary.
        Some people, unlike you ronnie are not sheep.
        I admire and respect Bernie for what he is, but like others, I don’t agree on supporting the lesser of two evils.
        And no, I don’t believe all the rightwing propaganda.
        I think it has more to do with people seeing right in front of their eyes an election being rigged and sabotaged.
        Did you do everything your parents told you, or did you make your own decisions?
        Dems don’t get it as they’re fine with the lesser of two evils, with things being so so ,instead of better, progressive.
        I don’t hate hillary, nor believe some of the propaganda (depends what’s being talked about, some is true).
        It’s telling that repubs aren’t as nasty and non-accepting to rightwingers who are voting for libertaryan/johnson, as dems are with those on the Left.
        I, and thousands of others (actually the majority of the dem population) are further to the Left, not liberal dems.
        We are registered as dems only because of our failed two party system that only allows one to vote if dem or repub.
        That is the only reason. I’m not a democrat.
        I’ve been voting since the late 70’s (and sometimes not), Obama is the only dem I’ve voted for, otherwise voted a third party or didn’t vote.
        It’s time liberal dems wake up and accept that.

      • What is that, you ask, Martin? I can tell you what it is. It’s you. And yes, you DO believe the rightwing propaganda because that’s what is sprayed against her constantly by your kind. The election was not rigged, nor sabotaged, and the whole “I don’t agree on lesser of two evils” thing is sheepspeak heard from EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. YOU.

        We’re not voting for a ‘lesser of two evils.’ We’re voting for a damned good woman to prevent one crazy evil bastard. Try not being stupid for a change.

      • martin woyzeck

        Wow are you an idiot.
        Please know the difference between fact and your opinion.
        It is merely the opinion of weak,centrist liberal dems that hillary is a good politician (a good woman has nothing to do with it, now does it?).
        I laugh at liberal dems hypocrisy. Everything said about hillary is propaganda, as well as that the elections were rigged,and Bernie’s campaign sabotaged.
        It’s not just stupidity, it’s childish ‘I don’t want to know,so I refuse to look into the facts’, as it was proven,factually that the elections were rigged. That’s not opinion, you moron.
        I know how to separate facts from propaganda,which it doesn’t seem many others do.
        There is a lot of lying b.s on Hillary. I’m not voting for her, but I call a spade a spade. The Benghazi crap,emails,etc. is all crap.
        But other things are not, such as sabotaging Bernies’ campaign. Denial is a terrible thing ray.
        My not voting for hillary has little to do with her, but the failure of the entire dem party, altho hillary falls into the category of all the same failures as the rest of the dems. It’s just that it’s not only her.
        Yes, you are voting for the lesser of two evils, again ,not just hillary,but the dem party.
        I fully agree trumps a crazy idiot.
        All dems aren’t as bad as anyone on the rightwing.
        But they do , do bad, corrupt, warmongering things ,as does the right.
        More so, they’re just simply weak against the right.
        So what good does it do, even if one is good (and dems aren’t), if they’re afraid to fight the really bad?
        It doesn’t, that’s why we’re in the worst of times. Dems are as much to blame as the rightwing.
        Most dems ok’d going into Iraq, what does that tell you? We’ve had 8yrs dem admin, and we’re still in Iraq.What does that tell you?
        Hillary did push for a rightwing gov’t in Honduras. What does that tell you?
        They are both weak and evil. Being evil is bad and wrong, doesn’t matter if it’s the lesser of the two.
        You’re just another pansy, stupid liberal dem.

      • martin woyzeck

        You know, using ‘caps’ is very childish. It doesn’t really emphasize or give anymore meaning to what you have to say. Maybe learn to use correct grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, which emphasizes your lame points.
        See ,this is where your kind is immature and blind.
        You put everything in black and white.
        I can list all the rightwing propaganda that is false about hillary
        i.e. Benghazi, emails, murders, expensive speaking events, Clinton foundation and on and on………
        Then there are the ones that are true
        i.e. rigging elections, sabotaging campaigns, lying about other candidates (Bernie, Stein,etc.), wars (Honduras, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam,etc).
        It’s not just hillary, it’s the dem party that is the failure .
        And by denying it, it makes you either stupid or just a liar by not admitting it. Either way, I don’t want to be part of that kind of party.
        What’s I’ve seen that has disappointed me is not just the dem politicians, but the immature liberal dem voters.
        This election has shown their true colors. And your kind is not that different from the rightwing.
        You do the same thing.
        I go through sites/threads, and see baby tantrums, extremely ignorant tantrums, insults, lying, denial,etc. from your kind/liberal dems, the same as the right.
        And liberal dems have always boasted how much more educated they are from the rightwing.
        This election has shown that you are not.
        You fall into the same uneducated stupidity, only on the other side.
        Put that in your pants and suck on it

  • Ronald Bruce Robinson

    I don’t know who these facts will upset more – Republicans or Far Left White Third Party supporters.

    • martin woyzeck

      ronnie bud, you keep losing credibility,and show your 5yr old mentality when you say far left white third party.
      You seem like such a lowlife asshole

    • martin woyzeck

      and this so called writer, who’s a biased hillbot, was pretty poor in showing anything to be a fact.
      Honestly,what did he prove.
      The closest to a fact he presented was that hillary was ‘ranked’ most liberal senator.
      And we all know how much we can believe in polls, ranks,surveys,etc.
      Nice try, but you’re embarrassing yourself.

  • JohnEffKerry

    This is absurd. Hillary lies about lying. She is a pathological liar.

    • sffoghorn

      She just lied about telling the truth and had to be slapped down by Obama’s FBI director.

      • JohnEffKerry

        I only wish Comey would slap her down.

      • Comey and all reality slapped YOU down, you irrational haters.

    • What’s absurd, John, is that you just begged the question and supported absolutely nothing of your invalid argument.

      • JohnEffKerry

        You use phrases you don’t understand. I didn’t beg the question and I didn’t make an argument. I stated a fact: Hillary is a pathological liar.

      • Albert Flasher

        Is that true, or did you hear that on Fox News?
        #NeverTrump

      • martin woyzeck

        Ok, hate to say this, cuz rayredspider is a bit of a pansy dem, but your comment john is truly idiotic.
        You most definitely need to learn what a fact is.
        No, what you stated isn’t a fact, it’s your opinion that you got from reichwing propaganda media.
        That has to be the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard…..you state an obvious opinion,and call it a fact. Wow!

      • JohnEffKerry

        Do you trust her?

  • Unfortunately, the anti-Clinton folks will deal with this information like they always do–by ignoring it.

    • martin woyzeck

      Kind of like dems ignoring sabotaging Bernie’s campaign,and election rigging.
      Is that the kind of ignoring you’re talking about perry?
      Typical dem hypocrisy

    • martin woyzeck

      This is what happened. Rightwing propaganda getting mixed in with actual points against hillary.
      From what I recall during Bernie vs. hillary campaigns, weenie dems would immaturely get in an uproar , have tantrums and start insulting whenever Bernie voters would present legit reasons for not voting for hillary.
      They would go into denial mode.
      So enough of your hypocrisy perry.

  • Randy Breeser

    Facts will never be able to stand up against an emotionally invested point of view.

    • JefferyHaas

      Therein lies the problem. An enormous segment of the population, on both the extreme right AND extreme left, value emotions, belief and “feelings” much more than facts. They wouldn’t know the value of a fact if a fact crawled over their face and inserted its fact nozzle down their throat a la “Alien”.

  • sffoghorn

    Republicans say outrageous things about Clinton II therefore not only are all attacks on her baseless, she is actually as pure as the driven snow.

    • martin woyzeck

      That is the main point, that so many on all sides are blind to.
      Going for black or white, and not looking at the gray areas.
      I’m a Bernie supporter, not voting hillary or trump.
      But yes, many progressives have been duped by a lot of rightwing propaganda.
      On the other side, during Bernie’s campaign, many Bernie voters were giving hillbots very solid, factual points of why they’re not voting for hillary,and hillbots would go in denial and get angry.
      I’m still not voting for her, but no, she’s not as bad as the best gop’er, the evil,bitch,crook claim on her is bullshit.

    • martin woyzeck

      Kind of a dumb comment, now that I read it again.
      Where’s your facts that all the attacks on her are baseless???
      And by saying she’s as pure as the driven snow, truly gives you zero credibility.
      This is what I’ve been pointing out about liberal dems talking like they’re in the third grade.

      • sffoghorn

        You poor, poor reading comprehension challenged conservative.

  • James Williams

    I will NEVER VOTE for Clinton or Trump, I have changed to Green Party.

    Because people are fluoridated couch zombies…that blindly
    believe main stream media…which is sheep feed….propaganda….that pushes
    what the elite want the sheep to believe…..or they are morally
    inept…blindly ignorant…intellectually devoid Clinton supporters.

    • JefferyHaas

      You sound just like a tea bagger.
      I predict you will be a neocon in five years time.

  • Barbara Gregg

    This woman put 3.2 Billion into the Clinton Foundation in only 3 years, seriously you think people and governments gave because the like her?

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  • Bruce Brown

    Im sick to tears of trying to convince people that she is honest. Cognitive Dissonance. They will make stuff up to support what they already believe.

    • martin woyzeck

      I don’t know about honest, but I know she’s not the horrible, corrupt person that many say she is.
      But that also doesn’t mean she would be a good president.
      Better than trump, yes, but that brings us to ‘again’ the lesser of two evils. How many more decades are we going to have to choose the lesser of two evils?
      Personally, I’m fed up with the dem party, as well as the gop.
      I don’t think dems are as bad as the gop, but …i.e. lesser of two…
      There is quite a bit of hypocrisy from dems ,though.
      Your last sentence ‘ make up stuff….what they want to believe’
      That could be said of liberal dems too.
      They’ve made up stuff about Bernie, about Stein,etc.
      They deny,the fact that the election was rigged. That they sabotaged Bernie’s campaign, that they’re making up lies about Stein (their lying b.s. of what Stein said about vaccines, wi-fi,etc.).
      And dems go in denial when that’s presented.
      So , your last sentence has a bit of hypocrisy to it.
      It’s also that dems deny everything that’s said about hillary.
      A good amount of it is false ( benghazi, emails, foundation,etc.), but there many have put out pointed facts of what they don’t like about her i.e. going into Iraq, backing a rightwing regime in Honduras, bailing out wall street,etc.
      So when dems deny everything, then it is also hard to believe what they say.

  • Dave

    LOL snopes.com – snopes is not unbiased. If you all want more of the same policy of the last 2 decades, vote Hillary. If you want someone to give power back towards the people look at Johnson.

    • martin woyzeck

      Sorry, but johnson is a far reichwing libertaryan.
      I’m guessing you don’t know about the libertaryans.
      They are the extreme reichwing. They are affiliated with white aryan organizations. The corrupt, evil kochbros gives the libertaryan party billions of dollars.
      You need to do some homework on the party, they are true evil, trying to create a christian fascist nation.
      And johnson is perfect proof of that. Not to mention, he’s somewhat illiterate i.e. What’s Aleppo?’.
      I”m not voting hillary or trump, but if I was forced to vote, and the only options were hillary,trump or johnson. I’d vote hillary in a heartbeat, and I’d vote trump before I’d vote for any evil libertaryan.
      Hillary’s not bad, and she is qualified. I just find her to be weak, as I do most democrats.
      Wake up dave.

  • Kevin Vance

    As an Independent, I have to say that you people have your heads in the sand about this woman. You could have nominated ANYONE, but you chose her, with her questionable, and very suspicious history. Then cry about it when the other side does indeed question it. You have to step back and see how this looks to the rest of us. No wonder she is outspending him by a large margin, yet can’t seem to reliably pull ahead in the polls. FYI, I voted for her in the primaries in ’08.

    • martin woyzeck

      I love when people say they’re independent. It means nothing.
      You have beliefs, which does put you in categories, whether you like it or not.
      See now, I’m not voting for her, but most of what’s said is b.s..
      What’s questionable an so called suspicious is pure crap.
      I’m not voting for her because I don’t think she’d make a good president, and the weakness of the dem party, but the list of questionable things about her are mainly false.
      This is what gets me about those calling themselves independent, and then believes all the lying propaganda against hillary.
      It only shows you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • Kevin Vance

        I love it when people don’t understand the meaning of Independent. AT ALL. I don’t subscribe to the left or right’s way of thinking, that’s it. My beliefs are not in line with either of them. Thank you, have a nice day.

    • roseba

      The people didn’t chose her, the DNC did, and then they colluded with the media to make it happen.

  • fruitysudz

    oh come now. she is a LYING PoS. how can you possibly defend her???

  • Eric Fowler

    Anything debunking this…
    THE TRUTH:  Hillary Rhodam was a radical activist for Saul Alinsky, a communist who wrote RULES FOR RADICALS and she wrote her senior thesis praising him. She met him, talked with him, worked for him and he taught her and Bill and Obama that the radicals must gain political power. His 8 rules to take complete control is as follows:
    1. Control health care and you control the people.
    2. Increase poverty levels as high as possible and they will not fight back
    3. Increase the debt to unsustainable levels.
    4. Control Guns, remove their ability to defend themselves from the government and create a police state.
    5. Take control of every aspect of their lives, income, housing, food
    6. Take control of what people see and hear, and what their children learn in school
    7. Remove the belief in God, make the government #1 in their lives
    8. Divide the people into wealthy and the poor, no middle class.
    Now before you leave me a negative comment, do your homework unless you want to be a slave to your government. Obama once said on International TV that common people are “too small minded” to run their own lives and the smarter leaders in government should make decisions for them. Think and research before you vote.

    • karretop

      She and Bill are deeply involved in New World Order and all the things you mention are consistant with those beliefs. TPP – which she will pass – is like the final nail in the coffin for the America we all miss. It will be gone forever after TPP – we will all be at the mercy of tribunal rule.

    • martin woyzeck

      What christian, reichwing,nazi propaganda you write.
      Alinsky was great. You must be of the ignorant American faux teaching of what socialism is.
      And Europe keeps laughing at us , as they lead better lives with their socialism.
      I’m a believer in Socialism, what’s really stupid from you reichwingers is that hillary,and all other dems aren’t close to socialism.
      Wake up you brainwashed, john birch society taught rightwingers, socialism, liberal, democrat, communism,etc. is not the same.
      The dnc,and all their politicians are far from socialism, they’re much closer to repubs.
      I’m not even a hillary voter, but I agree that we should implement most of your list.
      Yes, Americans shouldn’t have any rights to guns. No American should own a gun.
      Yes, get rid of all the god stuff, all the christian propaganda that has destroyed our country.
      It’s you rightwingers, whether libertaryans, teacrappers or repubs that have divided the country into the wealthy and the poor. They are the corporate people.
      Eric you are an ignorant fool.
      It’s embarrassing (to you) to tell others to do their homework, when every single thing you’ve said is bullshit.
      You need to do your homework, but maybe not from the lies of fox, beck, alexjones, ventura, heritage foundation and all the other reichwing lying media sources.
      Yes eric, practice what you preach…do a bit more homework,and think for yourself, you’re a sheep, believing what the idiot reichwing is telling you.
      What you think is bad, most of it, I think is a great thing.

  • Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese

    What kind of moron would support Hillary Clinton?

  • chouli

    she is a pathological liar. fact.
    she participated in the dnc corruption that sole her the nomination. fact.
    she hired dws the same day she “stepped down” as dnc chair.
    she isn’t liberal or progressive. she panders for votes & doesn’t mean any of what she says to get those votes.
    she should be indicted. but apparently the powers keep her above the laws the rest off us abide by.
    this article is propaganda…fact.

  • Rev. Donkey Teeth

    That sure is a lot of “false allegations” to debunk. Lol! You people are literally insane by definition. The fact that this article had to be written should be proof enough of a weasel trying to cover its tracks. She is guilty of everything that she’s been accused of and you all are just as guilty for supporting her.

  • Scientist Warrior

    Purposeful silencing of real issues regarding both parties are propaganda ruses by the media used to divide us and sell their product. In this case Hilary Clinton. The same is used for Donald Trump, both of whom are terrible indicators of what our country has become due to corporate self interest relationships with US politicians. This author specifically uses baiting multinational buzz scripted points (as in the case of Monsanto, the most hated company on the planet for more than one reason[not just GMOs]) And Bengazi, for which no Sanders supporter really fell for anyway it was more of a GOP and Clinton ploy to divert us from TPP. Clifton’s credibility is questionable since there are no real academic interviews with scholars on the subject. I would also warn the readers that common PR scripts in social media are rampant in this feed. Any blog or article that has comments filled with the common troll script is usually written as a bait for the media to divert the common reader from actual facts. Here are questions most academics would like to ask Mrs. Clinton. 1) Most Americans want peace and to divest in oil multinational relationships. What will you do to promote a department of peace and to end all subsidies to oil companies not owned by Americans? 2) Climate change is undeniable but for many reasons beyond fossil fuel usage like pipelines, tar sands, poor timber practices, watershed degradation etc. What corporate and investor relationships are you willing to forgo in order to protect our natural resources? 3) While all of our attention is diverted on PR propaganda (especially by this author) our federal trust is being stolen, bartered and given away for profit to other countries by statesmen like Arizona selling pristine protected watersheds to an Australian copper mining company. Federal trust like our schools and post offices and bridges or roads are at risk due to statesmen corruption at a rate that Americans cannot keep up. What will you do to put a stop to the corporate take over of our federal trust?

  • Brendan Clifford

    What about VINCE FOSTER!! THE DNC RIGGED ELECTION!! WHITE WATER SCANDAL!! BUSH BACKING HILARY? THAT SHE LIED IN SUPREME COURT MULTIPLE TIMES!! SHE DIDNT WIN THE ELECTION IN 2008 dnc against obama for being progressive and moderate and anderson cooper called her a flip flopper AND ON TOP OF THAT you talk about donald not releasing his taxes because he is the only candidate who has ever ran who also runs a multi billion dollar business and you want to know the truth your goverment is so flawwed that even the biggest business in the world that do the same tax loop holes ( apple, Starbucks, Walmart , Facebook…ect)

  • Sharon Tobe

    Sooooo, now that the proof is in the pudding”, as they say, who is Hillary to you now??? Still suffering from the neurosis of trust the biggest liar who’ll put you in jail for less then she does???

  • cratewasher

    There is certainly sexism in play in the “mistrust” of Hillary.
    For me the question is not one of “trust”, but intention.
    She has made her intentions known regarding her foreign policy beliefs, and role of US in weapons proliferation around the world.
    I believe Hillary when he says she will put a missile ring around China; and that she was elated with her overthrow of Gaddafi.
    I really don’t doubt that she’s telling the truth when she claims she will be more “aggressive” with Putin and Assad.
    I just think she’s wrong; and there is a long line of precedents to confirm such.

  • Singing Breeze

    I would love to have a buck for every time someone on this feed called names alike an uneducated hillbilly….intellegentt conversations are interesting to read and follow but this one just gave me a headache

  • KD Yana

    This is a very useful summary, but I don’t care what Neil deGrasse Tyson has to say about GMOs just because he’s an astrophysicist, or whatever he is (I love the guy, but I don’t agree w/ everything he says). Many scientist-types have supported harmful new “advancements” over the decades that have proven to be disastrous. People have to use their own brains on this one. Yes, even us commoners have brains. GMOs are banned in countries all over the world, but here we are, still plugging away with them.

    Also, a big thorn in my side re: Hillary is her hawkishness. You can’t explain that one away. Better than Trump? Most definitely. Committed to service? Of course. Experienced? Yes, indeed. It’s great to expose the myths about her for what they are, but there’s still a significant difference between Hillary and Bernie.

  • Jonny Begood

    What millions of dollars have been spent to slander her? She was just proven to pay off protestors to be violent at protests. Which is illegal. She has spent triple on ads. And has ssent millions on internet trolls. Also, the latest wikileaks dump shows how invested leftist media is into destroying trump. The bias isoutstanding. No matter what channel, its ALWAYS, aati trump garbagr 24/7. This article itself is a bunch of disinformation and obviously paid for

  • james wallace

    with clinton you get much the same as Obama, i dont care for Washington professional politicians when most of them are lawyers and always looking for the loophole or an escape route to conduct their misdeeds cast upon the populous whether they are DEM or GOP makes no difference so if you are satisfied and feel your life is better off, our country is better off, then by all means vote for Clinton but me I see the same ole same ole with yet another washington insider with her and I will vote for Trump, if there is a remote chance for change for the better I am in

  • Tim LaClair

    Ha ha more fairy tales

  • Reading over the comments here in retrospect to what actually happened in the election leads me to believe that more people got it wrong than right on all sides.

    Everyone that kept going on and on about Clinton, insinuating that she was corrupt, is now living with what they voted in in-place of Clinton… a man that brings new meaning to the word corruption.

    Personally, I hope *everyone* get’s what they deserve from this –especially those who were suckered by a billionaire that kept telling toothless rednecks how he could so relate to what they were going through. FFS, anyone who bought into that crap deserves whatever happens because of it.

    I don’t believe that Clinton would have been an effective leader, or even a good leader in the general sense; Her presidency would have simply maintained the status quo, and while not much would have improved due to congressional deadlock continuing unabated, things wouldn’t have gotten significantly worse on the homefront. However, the conversation we’d be having about Russia today would be much different than the one we’ve been having, because Russian state media was broadcasting propaganda that was meant to convince the Russian people that a Clinton presidency would ensure nuclear war. This came out in through investigative reporting in the last few weeks of the run up to the election, and was confirmed by multiple news agencies worldwide. Apparently, the Russians were prepared to go to war with the US if we didn’t elect Trump –which leads me to wonder, how many people saw these reports and allowed it to influence their decision going into the voting booth? I suppose it doesn’t really matter though, one way or the other at this point, considering how things panned out. But in hindsight, this wasn’t the usual selection between two bowls of excrement –this was international coercion playing out through our election system, and by the looks of things, millions of people were manipulated by false information on all sides.

    Were it up to me, I’d prefer that both of the finalist candidates were invalidated, and that no candidate would be allowed to proceed to be voted for until they could pass a complete psyche-evaluation and background check equivalent to any given to intelligence agency prospects. These people are being placed in charge of our national security, and should be vetted along the same lines as anyone else authorized to handle compartmentalized information (ie, anything classified). As far as that goes, that should be extended to all members of congress as well, as many of them end up on committees and other organizations within government that handle classified info.

    Seeing as how its too late to change the outcome of Nov.2016, it’s better to look to the future. Now would be a good time to look at how we elect in the first place… and more so to the point, push and demand for *direct elections* until ‘we, the people’ get satisfaction. Given the state of education and communications a century or more ago, the old means of elections using an electorate made sense, but since the institution of public schools, telephones and the internet, we’ve come quite a significant way in terms of public education. While it’s not perfect, the electorate is in no position to be any better off at this point the any given individual that engages in matters of politics. That being the case, there’s no reason at this point in history why we can’t restructure voting to be a direct 1-vote-per-citizen system that is irrespective of state populations (meaning that votes would be counted nationwide as a whole, regardless of a state’s population or representation otherwise).

    Trump was in favor of this back during his campaign, and I’d like to see him put his money where his mouth is on this particular item.

  • sean i

    These liberal tears and manic delusions are absolutely delicious and top notch entertainment. “Thorough and credible news source” Quotes its own webpage as sources, proceeds to list websites on the same side of the political spectrum (otherwise known as biased) as credible sources. Much kek.