Dish Network Exposes Fox News as Nothing More than a Conservative Entertainment Channel

fox_ff_hasselbeck_videogames_130917e-615x345By now many people have heard about Dish Network dropping Fox News (at least temporarily) from its broadcasts over a contract dispute. While contract disputes between networks and television providers are nothing new, Fox News being dumped by one of the country’s largest television providers has irritated many conservatives while humoring quite a few liberals.


But as we all know it’s only a matter of time before this dispute is settled and Fox News returns to Dish Network’s airwaves to push their nonsense. Though in the meantime, this little spat has had an impact on Fox News ratings as they’ve seen a 12 percent decrease in viewership over this time last year – which makes sense considering Dish Network owns just over a 13 percent share of the pay-TV marketplace.

Interestingly, another noteworthy aspect has emerged during this tiff between Dish Network and Fox News – Dish Network has essentially exposed Fox News as nothing more than right-wing propaganda and conservative entertainment.

You see, in their rush to try to appease the complaints they’ve gotten from many of their customers, they found what they seem to think is a suitable replacement for Fox News: Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze channel.

Yes, Dish Network replaced the supposedly “fair and balanced” Fox News with the channel founded by radical right-wing conspiracy pushing propagandist Glenn Beck.

Now, why would they replace a supposed “news” network with a channel that’s nothing more than right-wing propaganda? That doesn’t make any sense. Unless, of course, they know that Fox News is nothing more than conservative entertainment and instead of replacing it with some kind of legitimate news channel, they chose to replace the network with a channel that panders to conservatives.

Because that’s exactly what Fox News does. 


Dish Network wouldn’t have temporarily replaced Fox News with TheBlaze unless the content they provide didn’t pander to the exact same type of viewer. And while I’m sure it’s not, it should be an absolute embarrassment to Fox News that Dish Network essentially exposed them for what they are – just a conservative entertainment channel masquerading as a news network.

And while I’m sure this will have absolutely no impact on what conservatives think of Fox News (it’s amazing how so many of them honestly believe it’s an actual impartial news network), it’s still made me laugh that when Dish Network was pressed to replace the “fair and balanced” Fox News, they chose a channel that was founded by a radical conspiracy pushing right-wing idiot. Because they know damn well that Beck’s TheBlaze panders to the exact same demographic and viewer as Fox News.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Jason

    Can we please stop referring to them incorrectly as conservatives? They are right wing fascists, and Fox is 24/7 Goebbels.

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    • Gray Panther

      As for you liberals, “tyrannical socialist” seems to fit rather nicely. I like “small c” communist too.

      • Gene Lattanzi

        That’s the thing with you right wingers, you can NEVER deliver a message that doesn’t reek of snarky, smarmy, least common denominator style rhetoric. You rely on crass, embittered speech to fill a gaping hole in your little troll lives! I take pride in the jowl waggling, bile spewing, venomous way you refer to us “liberals,” as something akin to being beneath you. It truly is hilarious! Thanks for the cheap laugh pig vomit!

      • disqus_kOWCDWHSMo

        Wow, no name calling here gene your the kind of guy conservatives enjoy because you make it so easy… You represent the degenerates that make up the socialist party.. Way to go!! Keep up the good work!!

      • Gene Lattanzi

        I believe you meant: “You’re the kind of guy…” Not “your.” Aside from your poor spelling and nonsensical verbiage, please explain to the group as well as to myself, a few things…
        1.) What exactly do I make “easy” for you? And…
        2.) What example(s) can you provide to illustrate my being a “degenerate”?
        3.) Do you really hate socialism? Or are you just espousing the same offal that gets repeated ad nauseam on FOX? That is unless of course you are a butt hurt DISH Network subscriber. Wait! DISH Network

      • Gene Lattanzi

        Well, I guess you told me Mr. Random no name person I’ll likely never meet. So, what exactly is it that I “make so easy?” I enjoy the name calling. It gives me a chance to use my imagination. Something the right (wrong) wing is in very short supply of.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Hey GRAY Panther. I bet you take that socialist tyranny in the form of Social Security and Medicare though, don’t you? Did you attend one of those Socialist Public Schools or socialist Public Universities? How about that Socialist military that protects you and the rest of the nation? Oh the Humanity! Socialist Tyranny will kill us all….

      • Gene Lattanzi

        Sending you a high five Hiedi!

      • Heidi Hanson

        Yes I forgot to mention those Socialist telecommunications satellites that send all those communications signals that allow FOX NEWS and Cell PHONES and the Internet to function. Gee that damn SOCIALIST government that created all of that. DAMN THEM TO HELL…. Socialists!

      • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

        Heidi i like the way you think

      • Matt

        Sounds to me like there’s not any thinking taking place in these comments. But hey, Carol Ann, if that’s what you like, well, to each his own.

      • joeboken

        It happens to be what a lot of us like, the truth, but being a Fox viewer I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

      • Daniel

        You realize that multiple studies. Some right leaning, found fox viewers to be less informed than people who watch no news at all. Facts don’t have a side. Obama is our president and the country is much better for it. The ACA works and is popular. Thems the breaks broken one. Sorry it isn’t what you want to hear.

      • bob

        you left wing nut,obama has done more to help destroy our country than even jimmy carter. his healthcare sucks his tremendous trillions added to our countries debt, his lack of backbone to stand up for our country instead of cowering behind his wife’s skirt tail, selling out our allies around the world.2016 can’t come soon enough! Long live Foxnews and the conservative right!

      • Daniel

        So I’m guessing you own more than three items sold by infomercial.

        Thanks for proving my point Bob. You don’t know enough to even argue with.

        Our economy, much better
        International standing much better
        Human rights are getting better
        Equality, improved
        Wars ended.

        If you think you aging boomers are going to win this culture war you just started, well then again you just don’t know math.

        The ascension of the tea party is a symptom of the crumbling republican majority. As more people drop the GOP gerrymandering becomes the key to victory. In the midterms the GOP got a minority of votes but took lots of seats. But the deeper issue is that this tactic allows fringe groups to control the primary because there are do few moderate Republican voters. So the GOP will keep throwing sand in the gears of government until all that’s left is tea party loonies and big Buisness oligarchs, and they hate each other.

        I’m guessing the GOP will roll out the clown car again in 2016 . Carson, Romney, Palin, Bush, Cruz, Rubio, etc. Once that crew gets done exposing their idiocy, boom Hillary 2016. I’d prefer a progressive like Sanders or Warren, but anyone including a dead dog would do better than Jeb Bush, and he’s your odds on only real candidate.

        Face it Bob, progress only goes one way. But don’t worry. Glen Beck will always be there to sell you gold coins and survival food for the race war you all seem to expect.

      • cyi1984

        Daniel,

        If your going to spill the below baloney at least be factional.

        Our economy, much better – if 100+ trillion is better ok.

        International standing much better – we are pussies now and the world is treating us that. the USA has always been the backbone of the developed world now we are a joke. Thank you Daniel for contributing to this. Granted the GOP is no better, lets stop hating the Tea Party and get your facts straits. Those folks are not racist, nut jobs, or any other bs line the Dems or GOP say about them. All you here is lies. And I am not a member of the tea party just an observer.

        Human rights are getting better – please expalin, they are not.
        Equality, improved for who? The police, do you support the murder of police. I bet you do! Wait until you need them, as sure some you don’t own a gun.
        Wars ended. ISIS???????

        And Ben Carson would be the Very best Choice for us all. Pull your head out of your ass sir.

      • Daniel

        Well then. President Obama who is making as good an economic showing as Clinton, a better record on terror than Bush (14 embassies burned and 9/11), and now an approval rating of 48% which is over 3.5 times that of Bush II at this point and better than Ronnie Raygun. So how is he so bad? Because he keeps making the right wing sound dumb? Is that the issue?

        1. Economy. Unemployment down to under 6%. Oil prices down. Increasing median income in some states. (GOP obstruction may account for the difference. He’s 3 years ahead of what mittens promised he’d do. That’s a good record.

        2. International standing. He killed bin laden. He opened relations with Cuba. He stood up to Putin. He fixed some of the issues with mexico, has zero net illegal immigration. He is highly regarded in the EU and Africa and south america. (Again despite being lambasted by the GOP) oh plus he’s working on realigning our alliance in Asia to deal with Chinese expansion and north Korean threats at the same time. He’s good if you pay attention.

        3. Equality. I meant gay marriage. But I’ll settle for a reopened conversation on race. No I’m not for dead cops but I’d like to see a few in prision. Along with the KKK/tea party fool throwing bombs at the NAACP. And yes for supporting laws against religious persecution of minorities. He’s on the right side of history.

        4. Short bus candidates. Ben Carson is a religious fanatic who has now been caught plagiarizing and lying at least three times in print.He cant speak without sounding like a bad cosby echo of self hate and bigotry (religious not racial). He is too black for the south, too smart for the Midwest, and too dumb for the coasts. Jeb might be able to handle a general election but he can’t win the primary. Three hopefuls are under investigation or indightment for fraud. Then you can go for rubio, cruz, Perry, or bachman, all of whom would be a bye for the democrats. Rand Paul could be run if he could stop the racism for a week at a time, and his dad would stay out of it. You must be an avid fox watcher yourself.

        Just because you clutch your blanket round your chin in Fear of the fall of america based on lies is no reason for me to. Try looking at a real news source. BBC or even al Jazeera isn’t a bad way to get a bit of fact in your head. The biggest problem in this country is the roughly 20-25% of angry old white folk hoping to refight the progress of the 50’s-90’s on social issues. Best for my side is that if the GOP does get their platform through they are going against the will of 65+ percent of america, right before the 2016 cycle begins.

      • Curtis Harris

        Daniel… Once again, you are making stuff up. A better economy than Clinton? really? Have you even looked at the GDP growth rate over the past two years? Unemployment down? Yes, with part-time jobs. What about U6? The metric for measuring U3 was changed in 2012 to make the number look better. What happens after the debt eclipses $20 Trillion? Race relations worse. You are obviously racist. That comes out loud and clear.

      • proud2beDem

        Typical response from a fox viewer , facts seem to elude you .

      • joe

        If you watch fox you are part of the problem

      • John Strika

        And you have one actual fact to back up your rhetoric?

      • Cathy Hutchinson

        Another right wing NUT. smh

      • hwy505

        Yes – economy – with a 39% income tax on corporations, the highest of any nation, companies are flocking to repatriate back to the US. Do you have an iota of analytical thought within that gray mass?

      • Jason

        and with various tax credits and breaks, the real corportate tax rate sits at roughly 5%.

        Derp.

      • photocrazy

        Another year went by and we have Heir Drumpf. No corporation actually pays that much, was just reading an article, the most one paid was 31% some pay negative taxes, yes they get money they didn’t pay in. Taxes on the rich used to be 90% for the early to mid 1900s then it was 50% until Reagan dropped it to 28%, which is when the middle-class growth stopped

        and nose dived to where we are today. Trickle-down does not work, as we have seen since Ronnie did it, they keep the money that is why we have so many billionaires now and the middle class is going broke.

      • John Strika

        Dude. Stop with the FACTS already lol. These wack jobs only deal in hyperbole and rhetoric. Facts make their brains hurt.

      • bob

        yea, keep reading the N.Y. times

      • Daniel

        Bob, are you trying to imply that fox news is more reliable than fox? Or that multiple sources of information is a bad thing? I hate to break it to you, but the real world is complicated, and everyone has some amount of bias. I try and correct for that by using multiple sources of news and by looking for source data not repackaged synopsis style reporting.

        So yes I do read the times, I tune in to many news programs. But I actually think it through. I tend to agree more often with liberals, but not always.

        Citizenship and patriotism require more than a hologram flag sticker on your truck. It required an infirmed electorate and a representative system for all Americans. These two things are the two things fox is most obviously not in support of. I’d suggest exiting the bubble before it pops and you are left in the ruins of a neo-con big Buisness led America.

      • frank96740

        “Our economy, much better
        International standing much better
        Human rights are getting better
        Equality, improved
        Wars ended.”

        Are you on DRUGS Daniel? you have made some of the dumbest statements yet on this blog…

      • Daniel

        And yet I’m backed up by the facts, while I’m betting you let Limbaugh or O’Reilly wipe the drool off your chin at nap time. Probably in either your mother’s basement or in the senior center. Try climbing off bullshit mountain, the view is way nicer in reality.

        Fox lies. Less than 20% factual accuracy last I checked. So yes. Our economy is growing, we ended wars and have made strides toward equality. And I’m glad for it. Its also nice to see Obama taking off the kid gloves and slapping the little whiners on the right around for their traitorous and anti american actions.

        And who knows maybe we can get a woman in the white house next time.

        The only thing that depresses me is that your vote counts as much as mine. But I don’t support a poll tax, so I would feel it unfair to require an IQ test as well.

      • frank96740

        Daniel, you are an ignorant A$$ – do doubt about it! If you can look yourself in the mirror and repeat all your garbage without laughing, you are quite the left wing nut! America today is in the worst shape we have been in in decades, there is more race baiting by the current administration than any in modern history. we have fewer people working full time jobs than we have had in DECADES, more on food stamps & Medicaid than ever before and Obamacare SUX! The ‘great success’ they tout is do in LARGE part to people that LOST their policies BECAUSE of it are just now getting insured once again. JUST IN CASE you are deaf and DUMB, the ‘wars aren’t over’ just because Obama says they are, in fact things are WORSE then ever in the Middle East and we are once AGAIN considering ‘boots on the ground’ BECAUSE of the mess he made of them. AND – NEWS FLASH – all this doesn’t come from FOX – which i don’t happen to watch anyway – it comes from the liberal news media and those that aren’t afraid to post on the internet. SO – pull your head out of Obummers BUTT and pay attention to what is going on in the world… People like you electing and IDIOT as President are the reason we are in this mess today!

      • Daniel

        I’m actually certain most of that bilious rant is untrue. We have solid job growth etc. And would have more if the GOP stopper pandering to racist mouth breathers who can’t get past electing a black president. You can feel free to call me an ass. But its better to be a wise ass, than a dumb sh#t.

        Which party put forth job bills? Which one keeps trying to repeal a law now vetted by all three branches of government? Who killed bin laden? Who is rebalancing trade with China?

        You either know far too little to have an opinion, or you have another motive for disliking the president.

        So which party has reduced the deficic? In the last 60 years its been only democrats. Who supports equally? Democrats. Education? Tax reform?

        Republicans are running on lies and hate. Which is why red states keep having to be nailed out by is hard working liberals. Our taxes support your mud puddle.

      • frank96740

        Daniel, again – by what you just regurgitated, you prove to anyone with a lick of common sense that you are an ignorant A$$! Look at our NATIONAL DEBT – doubled since Obummer and the Dems took over. Your idiotic statement about “racist mouth breathers who can’t get past electing a black president” – you ignorant SLOB, he ISN’T ‘BLACK’ so we know you haven’t paid attention with that one. The color of his skin only matters to race baiting MORONS like YOU, Obama, Al Sharpton, Holder and others like them! You and those like you are a total waste of time.

      • Daniel

        Wait, you mean moving the Bush era debt onto the books. That debt? The debt incurred via no bid contracts to the then VP’s former company. The company that paid him 31 million right before they hit office. Plus the tax cuts to multinational companies to move jobs overseas. Those were Bush as well.

        The GOP gutted our economy. Lied us into the longest and most expensive war in history (without paying for it). I would prefer a real progressive economic plan but Obama is doing OK.

        So we know history and math are not your best subjects….

      • frank96740

        Daniel, EACH time you post you say something dumber than the last time – the SAD part is that you actually BELIEVE what you are writing! You are dumber than even I realized! Go back and bury you head in Obama’s butt because your reasoning is full of $hit! Enjoy your fantasy life, that’s all you’ve likely got to motivate your ignorance…

      • Daniel

        http://www.factcheck.org/2014/01/obamas-numbers-january-2014-update/

        http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/05/news/economy/obama-economy/

        Because “fact” does not mean things O’Riley yells loudly. Facts don’t change just because you don’t like them.

        Maybe you might want to go back to school. Try taking an economic development course, or a political theory seminar. If thats too much, just stick to coloring in american flags. People like you are the reason I say I’m Canadian when I travel.

      • frank96740

        You just keep up with your bull – you ‘progressives’ are the ‘tea party’ of the LEFT! Idiots! This link debunks just ONE of your lies but you will ignore it because one of you lefty dimwits didn’t write it…

        http://allenbwest.com/2015/02/gallup-chairman-admits-unemployment-rate-bs-video/

      • Daniel

        Are you suggesting a tea party source is as credible as pew research? And the wall street journal? Try finding a neutral source, I didn’t use any left leaning sources. Let alone one that assumes the white house is somehow cooking the books and we are all just fools (including all major oversight and regulatory agencies)

        Its like arguing with a 4 year old who keeps citing batman cartoons for legal precedent.

        There is disagreement about how well we could be doing now economically, but we are better than we were under bush, and no serious economist thinks the Romney/Ryan plan would have even gotten us this far. If the tea party would stop trying to torpedo the government and let us pass a jobs bill we’d be in better shape still.

      • frank96740

        Daniel, is constantly proving you are an IDIOT a ‘right of passage’ for “Progressives”?
        I’ve wasted enough time with our ‘conversation’ (actually it’s more showing how ignorant the LEFT actually is for believing all the CRAP the Obama administration is regurgitating and you repeating)! So, enjoy your ignorance and keep living in this little ball of garbage your ‘side’ has created. You aren’t worth any more of my time… aloha – lol!!

      • Daniel

        If you recall this is a comments section of an article pointing out how innacurate and misleading the right wing noise machine is.

        In real terms all of the talking points you have raised are factually incorrect.

        Enjoy your dwindling importance and bitter senility. We will do fine without you, and those like you. *kisses*

      • frank96740

        A Reflection of your stupidity!

      • Daniel

        So you think the majority of independent and syndicated media, as well as multiple university studies were fabricated solely to try and discredit one of the most obviously biased networks is all somehow a personal delusion?

        Do you think death panels are real?that Obama a “secret Muslim”?
        That Bengazi a cover up?
        That Reaganomics worked?
        Are your prepping for the UN invasion?
        Are you ready for the race war?
        Did Obama import Ebola to weaned the us for his next power grab?
        Do you invest I’m gold for the economic collapse?
        Is climate change a conspiracy theory created by Al Gore?

        All these have been put forth by the right, and all of them are idiotic, and laughably easy to disprove.

        So next time you feel like chicken little and want to yell ” the sky is falling” remember to source your data. Because you sound like a tinfoil hatted loon.

        I know things could be better. With the house blocking all attempts to fix the economy as a political maneuver, we can accept that there could have been a better way. But don’t lay that at the president’s feet. He keeps trying to reach out and the clown car of the old south keeps acting like he somehow isn’t the commander in chief. We also know conservative policy has tanked the European economy and deregulation led to three recessions and counting. These are facts. Your opinion frankly doesn’t matter.

      • madshark

        Dumbfuck Dan, once again you demonstrate your stupidity. Had you bothered to read frank’s link, you would have seen that the facts were a direct quote from the CEO of Gallup. Allen West simply gave his opinion of those facts, quoted.

        Each time you respond, you just make yourself look more stupid. At present you have demonstrated the intellectual equivalence of the scum which forms at the top of a septic tank in the heat of summer.

      • madshark

        Dumbfuck Dan, do you even read what you post you idiot. This is from your factcheck.org link.

        “The economy continues to gain jobs, but the number of long-term unemployed is nearly double what it was when Obama became president.Wages remain stagnant, increasing a scant 0.3 percent after inflation during Obama’s time. Meanwhile corporate profits are running 178 percent higher than just before he took office, and stock prices have doubled.The number of low-income persons on food stamps remains just below the record level reached in 2012, with 15 percent of the population still getting benefits.”

        Pookie ain’t doing worth a damn, except for his rich cronies.

      • Daniel

        Way to play, stupid, ignorant and racist. At least you are semi efficient. Even if you are too dumb to be trusted with a butter knife.

      • madshark

        You are a stupid piece of shit. You post factcheck items which contain data demonstrating your own messiah, President Pookie is a failure. Then, after I point that out, you attack me as stupid and racist. Sorry boy. You just lost. And for all the world to see. Hahahaha! Loser. Crawl back under your rock. Like I say,”Keep a libtard talking long enough and he will prove himself wrong.” Or, “Give an idiot enough rope and he will hang himself.” Goodbye, Idiot. You are now bested. I will now leave this conversation and move on to the next libtard idiot, who I will destroy with facts. Or maybe he will be as stupid as you and give me the facts to destroy him, himself. This is only fun if the libtard is smart enough to challenge me. I had so much hope for you, Daniel. You failed. Bye now.

      • Donald

        Daniel I love thing this guy is so stupid he’s taken the bait,with all the ranting he did’nt get a heart attackLol

      • Brian

        Thank much for humor and we’ll spoken commentary. I have this visual image of Mr Shark twitching and seizing, able only occasionally to spit the words bye and fucktard…… Thx again

        Brian

      • madshark

        You are quoting the accuracy opinion of Politifact, a left wing nut job “fact checking” organization. Politifact does not compare anything to actual facts. They compare a statement to their left wing opinion and if that statement does not agree with their left wing opinion, they consider it false. Politifact also does not check every statement, only those they choose. You really should get your information from a credible source. Not one so easily discredited. If you ever posted an actual fact, rather than already disproven lies, you would look slightly less stupid. Slightly less, but still stupid.

      • Daniel

        I find politifact much more forgiving than I’d be to the GOP. And they are know by every news outlet other than fox, as a reliable research agency..

      • madshark

        Of course they are, They spew the same leftist opinions all other “news” agencies spew. Here is the reality. Politifact only “fact checks” a small number of statements from any source. Politifact does not compare those claims or statements to any actual fact or truth. Politifact compares a statement to there leftist opinion, and if it disagrees, they announce it as false. Those are the facts. If you are too invested in your leftist stupidity to accept the truth, that is not my problem. I am only responsible for presenting the truth. It is up to the other person if he chooses to accept it, or continue to spew his moronic stupidity, as I am sure you will do.
        Just for grins, here are some articles showing how Politifact exerts its bias against the right.

        http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

        http://humanevents.com/2012/08/30/politifact-bias-does-the-gop-tell-nine-times-more-lies-than-left-really/

        http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2013/05/29/study-reveals-republicans-lie-moreor-politifact-has-serious-liberal-bias

      • Daniel

        Facts do tend to have a liberal bias. I note two of the three sites you used are opinion sites. Politifact sources and documents their rationale and usually link to the original quotes.

        Its not our fault that the GOP lie like rugs, and invent data to support their ignorance.

        It was Palin who said Paul Revere warned the British about the second amendment. And some bozos tried to say she was either right or else misunderstood. I saw the speech, she’s just a moron.

        Just because many people believe something does not in any way validate it. And the fox news machine is nothing but an increasingly hollow echo chamber for racism, sexism, and failed political ideology. The real tragedy is that free speech allows them to lie freely (they’ve defended this in court). In places like Europe and Canada, where there are laws about misrepresentation in news the electorate is better informed, and thus more liberal. Because liberalism works.

      • madshark

        $18 trillion debt. Terrorists burning down the world. 92,000,000 Americans cannot find full time work they are qualified for, the worst workforce participation rate since Jimmy Carter, the other recent Progressive/liberal failure, 42,000,000 Americans on food stamps. America a laughing stock around the world, our enemies emboldened and our allies frightened because of our lack of leadership. Man, those liberal ideas are doing great. You are an idiot.

      • madshark

        No, facts have no bias. Idiots have a liberal bias. Idiots like you would not know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

      • Daniel

        Who had better economic growth Obama or Regan?

      • madshark

        Reagan. Inflation is not economic growth.

      • Daniel

        Someone drank the koolaide. Regan was the king of false economic growth. Which is why he caused, not ended a recession.

      • madshark

        You have lost it, you ignorant fucktard. You are so out of touch with reality, you are a danger to yourself and those around you. Hahahaha! Dumbfuck Daniel. Your new moniker.

      • madshark

        Fucking idiot! Bye Dumbfuck Dan. Your ability to continue to type demonstrable lies has surpassed my willingness to correct those lies. Bye now, Dumbfuck Dan. You will type another demonstrable lie, but I am done correcting them. You bore me.

      • Daniel

        I bet you are a real charmer. Ask yourself why fox is fighting google adding an “accuracy” filter.

      • madshark

        Also, President Reagan’s tax policies freed up investment capitol and lead to the longest peace time expansion of our economy in the history of our Republic. You can bet Pookie won’t be looked at as favorably by history.

      • Daniel

        Lol. Regan is a joke. He destroyed our public sector, tanked the economy and only bush they younger can make him look good numbers wise. Obama is already way ahead of Ronnie ray-gun… Remember star wars? What a perfect boondoggle.

      • madshark

        You are simply stupid sir. Say something else stupid. I am done. There is no point talking to someone.l as pathetically uninformed as you. You just keep being stupid, Dumbfuck Dan. The adults will clean up your mess.

      • Daniel

        Like all the blue states paying for the red state moochers? Like the only economic improvement in the last 50/years has been under democrats?

      • Daniel

        And ended us in a recession.

      • madshark

        Daniel, you are funny. Your idiotic lies are being destroyed, left, right and center, by several thinking individuals. All the other libtards have run for the hills, because they know they are being proved wrong. Just one idiot hanging in there being humiliated. But Daniel, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you look.

      • Daniel

        That’s funny. You see I feel the same way about you. The difference is that my opinion is based on unbiased fact and shared by not just the majority of Americans, but also by the vast majority of the civilized world, who incidentally have laws about news being factual, and thus are largely free of fox news style fear mongering and racial politicking.

        Take a trip.

      • madshark

        Actually, your OPINION is shared by a small minority of mentally challenged folks. I do not need to go to any other country, where the government controls what is published, to know that you are a stupid child. I have presented sourced facts and truth. You have presented ………… nothing. Now good bye Dumbfuck Dan. I will move on, now, to someone with the mental capacity to understand the truth, when it is laid out, in detail.

      • madshark

        Actually, they are known everywhere as a joke.

      • madshark

        Daniel, you have not proven yourself to be an idiot. Please explain the process by which one gets a minority of the votes yet picks up “lots of seats.” You can’t because you’re a fucking idiot.

      • Fed Upchick

        Just wanted to jump in here. It’s been a year since you made this comment, and everything you said in the last two paragraphs has turned out to be true!!

        Hope you’re voting for Sanders, dude. ;^D

      • Daniel

        I’m going to support him in the primary of course. I’ll support the Democratic candidate regardless. Though I think I’ll be agitating for procedural reform if he wind the popular nomination but doesn’t get the delegates.

      • MUAHAHAHAHAHA REALLY ??? WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU TAKING MAN ???

      • Ron Poorhall

        Thank you Bob. As a ret banker, I am apparently one of those less informed conservatives who know how my states senators and congressman vote and send both the dems and repubs letters of approval and reprimand. I wonder how many libs on this site do that. Tell me who is uninformed. Remember, we must pass it first to know what is in it. (Tell me who is uninformed) I would never sign a single document until I have read it fully. I wonder how it is that Fox News has become the number 1 viewed news channel in the country. Apparently we have a lot of uneducated uninformed citizens

      • SLC

        That’s the point, a lot of American citizens are uneducated and uniformed, and the GOP fights to keep it that way.

      • Ron Poorhall

        No. I have viewed many of the coolaide drinkers news channels and most of them never even covered topics like Bengazi, Fast and Furious, Budget deficits and the lies that have gone along with Obumer Care. I took the time to read it as a citizen and if people knew what this communist president has done in this document, they would have put him in jail. Our freedoms have been competely destroyed by libs that have become communists and republicans who have become socialists. People do not understand that our country is done. We are now at the beck and call of the UN, China and the EU. We were sold down the road by this entire regime starting with Bush creating the dept of marshall law sorry homeland security and then Ohitler using them to further destroy our freedoms. Now they sign a 1.2 Trillion dollar joke giving omage to the King and giving our tax payers the burden of paying for incoming terrorists across the porous border. They should never have the luxury of signing documents this large without being broken into smaller line item voting

      • margaret buck

        I’m sixty and I don’t see any loss of my liberties. Which liberties are you speaking about? I do not pay anymore in taxes than I used to, actually i pay less lately. I still have my private health insurance, I still speak my mind, work, walk freely about. I haven’t had to bow to anyone. A high deficit is not a new concept to me, we have had them before. Homeland security has not paid me a visit. I still run my business, although, i do wish the Bush hadn’t emploded the economy, that did hurt my business.

      • Ron Poorhall

        Do you really speak your mind? They spoke their mind in Paris recently and look what happened to them. The only difference is that the preparation for this type of terror activities have not yet been acted on as lone wolf activities in America. It will happen. Give it some time. Remember the woman recently who got her head cut off. Go down town and hold up a sign for a week in your town that speaks out against these thugs who have killed these people. Recently a Faith based restaurant would give discounts to anyone who brought up their faith. That did not last long. Her own business had to bow to the special interest group who wanted to sue them. Speak out against the president on your cell phone and you will have the CIA or NSA on your doorstep the next day much like happened to the two woman who that spoke out against Bill Clinton one evening while sitting in their homes. As an independent, I voted for Clinton the second time around, but he was a moral pig. The deficit has not had any impact yet. You are right. We have always been able to make our interest payments but you have to remember that it was only $4 B when this president took office. It has ballooned to $18B and the president has falsely kept interest rates low. He has offered $80 Billion in new debt per month to falsely keep interest rates low because he knows the ramifications of allowing interest rates to increase. Not just to the government but to all those businesses out there that have variable rate commercial loans. A commercial default will make 2008 look like a minor hiccup. At current interest rates, the point of no return is just under $19B. If interest rates go up even 1%, we can not make our interest payment assuming our debt does not increase beyond that. If they double, it will literally destroy the worlds economies, the dollar will no longer be the currency of exchange for the world and our country is bankrupt. If at the end of 2015, I am not right, I will happily apologize, but I am confident you will see all the occurrences I have shown above. I will agree that Bush II started a process that could have easily been corrected, but I do not believe the previous Congress under bonehead John, Senate under the commy Reid and especially this president have any desire to keep the United States as an independent country with the freedoms that were established by the founding father of this amazing country.

      • Heidi Hanson

        We have our own types of terrorists here. Not muslims. but religious terrorists all the same. They kill doctors and blow up clinics.

      • Ron Poorhall

        Yes every religion has some nutcase that highjacks the religion for their personal beliefs or faith. And yes we do have Muslim terrorists. Twin towers. Military base massacre or business beheadings. Just the beginning. There is one major difference. The Jews, Christians, Atheists, Buddhists, 7th day, Mormons, Hindus, Christian Scientists and most others don’t ask their followers 123 times in their book of practice to kill all others listed above including agnostics if they are not willing to worship their god. That is a pretty big difference. Speak out loudly against them in front of their mosque holding up signs against them in your town and see what happens compared to what might happen if you speak out against all others above. Big difference. I have no issues with any religion above. Our country allows for all right up to the point where the book of practice calls for murder if you do not believe as they do. At that point, all others above must pull together to defend our freedoms that are being highjacked.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Actually the Christian Dominionists/Reconstructionists DO call for executing anyone who doesn’t believe like they do. Also the Phineas Priest have killed several people that they consider to be “Sinners deserving of death” “These belief systems find a voice in Christian Reconstructionism — a political movement to convert the United States — and eventually the entire earth — into a theocracy in which dissenters, adulterers, sexually active homosexuals, some sexually active bisexuals, witches, sorcerers, etc. would be exterminated.”

      • Ron Poorhall

        Yes . I know those horrible Christians. I reiterate. There are those nutcases out there who try to highjack their supposed religion and use it for their purpose. I have read both the Koran and the Bible several times and if we take the main stream religion for what it is and act out the purposes of each book as a non religiouus person, we would end up with two completely different outcomes. If I look at it strictly from an agnostic perspective, I would choose to live with a society of Christian peoples. I see with my eyes the difference they make around the world when tragedy strikes. I don’t see the same of the other.
        I do enjoy your feedback and believe that you and I are what make democracy and freedom great. You and I could sit around the table in Congress and have lively debate and more than likely come to some sensible middle, but I believe in this case with your name reflecting that of female DNA, you should probably lean toward my opinion or you will end up with no rights and your face covered any time you go out in public if you are permitted to go out and God forbid if you have sex outside of your marriage or are homosexual, transgender or a transvestite or any other choice you listed. Your outcome is not favorable. I have not really witnessed that same outcome caused by any of the other religions of the world in my life time. I had a similar conversation with 2 good friends recently who are Hindi. They agree with me. Looking at it as an agnostic caucasian, I will choose to live in this Christian nation as peaceful as I have the first half century.

      • enkelin

        Heidi here. I wrote you a long reply and the moderators nabbed it. Don’t know why, nothing controversial or curse words. this site is weird like that. Maybe it will post. Maybe not.

      • Ron Poorhall

        Thanks for info

      • Ron Poorhall

        Guess no free speech here. Lol

      • Heidi Hanson

        McQuilliams was a Phineas Priest. But there are many other Christian Identity groups and Sovereign Citizen Religious groups that go around killing people and they especially target minorities and Jewish people “But there is a long history of terrorist attacks resembling McQuilliams’ rampage across Austin — where violence is carried out in the name of Christianity — in the United States and abroad. In America, the Ku Klux Klan is well-known for over a century of gruesome crimes against African Americans, Catholics, Jews, and others — all while ascribing to what they say is a Christian theology. But recent decades have also given rise to several “Christian Identity” groups, loose organizations united by a hateful understanding of faith whose members spout scripture while engaging in horrifying acts of violence. For example, various members of The Order, a militant group of largely professed Mormons whose motto was a verse from the book of Jeremiah, were convicted for murdering Jewish talk show host Alan Berg in 1984; the “Army of God”, which justifies their actions using the Bible, is responsible for bombings at several abortion clinics, attacks on gay and lesbian nightclubs, and the explosion at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, Georgia; and Scott Roeder cited the Christian faith as his motivation for killing George Tiller — a doctor who performed late-term abortions — in 2009, shooting the physician in the head at point-blank range while he was ushering at church.

      • madshark

        We are talking about today. All that happened over ten years ago. It was also universally criticized. The muzzrat terrorists are supported by 99.9% of muzzrats worldwide, and 100% of libtards.

      • Jason

        Well, Goebbels, just keep preaching the lies.

      • Jason

        Your republican congress and senate passed the law that enabled indefinite detention. They did not prosecute Bush for torture.

        Benghazi was a non-issue. A tactical error that ended tragically, but was nothing more insidious than a mistake. No SecDef has ever lost their job for a military tactical error.

        F&F was an op that went wrong because they overestimated the effectiveness of the trackers.

        We are not at the beck and call of anyone. That’s straight paranoia talking.

        The budget is your republican budget signed into law by Bush at the end of 2007. It hasn’t changed since in terms of expenditures.

        Obama has worked and lowered the deficit to its lowest level since Clinton.

        Here are some fun facts for you:
        Saint Ronny helped fund the group that created al Qaeda. He shipped arms to Iran, and not in an attempt to bust them doing it. He raised taxes more as %GDP than Obama could ever hope to. He increased the national deficit more as %gdp than Obama could ever hope to.

        While I admire your gusto, you have a warped, misshapen world view, shaped by a network that only reports 18% of all stories with any modicum of accuracy.

      • Stephen Ottemoeller

        Wrong. It’s liberals who fight to keep people uninformed. When they hear something they don’t like, they demonize the speaker/author and try to shut them down by either literally shouting them down or advocating that they be removed from the airwaves. Conservatives’ solution to speech or policies they disagree with is more free speech. Liberal philosophy can’t stand up to the light of informed counter arguments. They hate Fox News because Fox allows (and encourages) the sharing of conservative view points, which typically make liberal positions and arguments look inane.

      • Georgia Woolett-Roy

        Such a humorous post Stephen

      • margaret buck

        the free market system loved and promoted by conservatives has no use for surplus labor “humans” and has no use for their needs either: food, housing, medial and such. What is your answer for this surplus labor? Shall we throw all these unneeded workers into the streets?

      • Ron Poorhall

        How about reduce the Corporate tax rate down to 25% like the rest of the world so the 10 CEO’s who met with Ob many years ago can bring their companies back to the US like they said they would. How about open the Keystone Pipeline to reduce our dependence on the Terrorists funding Saudi Arabia. How about reducing the job hindering regulations that I have personally seen destroy many jobs in my town. Regulations help the huge corporations who can afford to hire the attorneys necessary to keep them in compliance. Small business has been destroyed by these regulations and Obama care. Small business is what made this country great. How about taking some of these huge corporations and breaking them up starting with Bank of America. Monopolies have been the down fall of capitalism and ease of entry to a market from a small business. When Walmart can tell you what they will pay for your product there is a problem. In addition, they have put 20 other small businesses out of business. For every one job they create, they destroy 3 other small business jobs where we build things and export them to other nations. They are toooo big. Free market competition lowers prices. Free market competition where we have more jobs than employees creates higher wages. Free market competition creates efficiencies to compete. Free market competition makes great teachers. When it is given to you by the government or protected under a contract, you do not work as hard, smart or efficient to complete for jobs. Competition creates the greatest products and employees. People who are guaranteed anything become lazy, complacent and inefficient. I worked in banking for 25 years and earned every promotion by creating greatness in each team member who worked for me and with me. Not one of my jobs or paychecks were guaranteed. I earned everyone of them as did my teams. It was not given to me as a guaranteed contract or government handout. Increase jobs will take care of all surplus labor thereby leading to increased wages. Companies pay great employees because they don’t want to lose them to competition. Nobody wants mediocre staff. Coach them up to greatness or coach them out. Simple concept.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Corporations in the USA only pay an effective tax of around 12 percent. If you lowered the tax rate and eliminated the loopholes you would actually cause US firms to pay MORE taxes than they do now.

      • Ron Poorhall

        Agree but 12% of 0 is still 0 because they will stay over seas. 12% of the estimated 10 trillion they would have brought which does not include trickle down taxes for additional taxing is a huge step in the right direction. We do agree that we need to eliminate all loopholes. I do not thank any corporation or individual should be entitled to a tax refund. Give us our wages or profits, take a fair tax and its done. No loopholes for anyone. It eliminates tax fraud and the need for government to be involved in my life any more than necessary and yes it increases the coffers of treasury substantially. A win win for all.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Well You are right about it increasing the tax revenues, mostly for the poor paying more taxes. The rich do not pay income tax, They live on capital gains and dividends and interest. Cap gains are taxed at 15% I think the real estate business would really hate it if the Mortgage interest deduction was eliminated though. Lots of people would not like that one.

      • Jason

        A fair tax isn’t really fair to the poorer among us. A car is a greater percentage of a year’s earnings for a poor person than for a wealthy one.

        Progressive taxes were never meant to redistribute wealth, but rather to reflect the fact that you were able to make more money because you utilized more of the infrastructure in place.

        The only reason it has the appearance of redistribution is because one of things our declaration states is that we are all banded together to promote our mutual general welfare. Which ought to include not letting people starve or be homeless, oughtn’t it?

        Beyond that, I agree. No tax refunds.

      • Heidi Hanson

        What a schizophrenic post. First you argue FOR Free market deregulation and then you argue AGAINST Free market deregulation (Walmart). You realize Walmart was once a small business. One store in Arkansas. Who is going to decide when a company is too big? LOL do you really think they would have paid you what they did if there were no floor for wages? No they would pay you the absolute minimum they could get away with. Don’t ever think you couldn’t be replaced. Everyone can be and is replaced.

      • Ron Poorhall

        Agree. Did not say I could not be replaced. What I said was that I created great teams that were rewarded for their exceptional work consequently I had some of the highest paid staff with longevity than almost all others. I was rewarded with big bonuses as they were and trips all over this country. Competition created an exceptional team that was rewarded for its greatness. No freebees without exceptional effort. And yes they would have paid me more than the floor including my staff because they did. We made them lots of money. They did not have to pay me 20k bonuses or pay my staff their large bonuses. We were exceptional and I could have easily taken my entire team to another bank any day. The fact that we could leave any day (competition) almost forced them to pay us bigger dollars. They paid us to stay. Floors are needed because of lack of jobs and lack of effort. If you have surplus jobs, wages will increase. Huge companies dictate what they will pay because they look at the market and say “where are they going to go”. Lack of competition. Take oil and gas companies. They make billions in profit because the regulations create such a high cost to enter the market that they have a monopoly on the market and dictate wages and fuel prices. Imagine if we had 20 Texaco’s out there buying for employees. Suddenly Saudi Arabia will have competition forcing their prices down and eliminating their ability to hold many country’s hostage and our great country would energy independent through competition causing reduced fuel prices and increased wages to find and keep great employees. Free market competition. Their are laws against monopoly’s established because of people like the Rockefeller’s who paid slave wages for his company a monopoly that bought up other companies under different corporate names thereby eluding the law. That is why labor unions were established as you probably know. All profits rolled into one company at the end of the day. Enforcing those laws would have broken those companies up creating competition among 50 families instead of 3. Walmart and companies like Bank of America are the Rockefeller of old in 2015. In affect we agree. They did not have to keep me or my team but competition forced them to pay us to keep us. Respectfully

      • Heidi Hanson

        You really picked the wrong company for an example. I worked for that company for 33 years. I know the history. There was no regulations before Standard oil cornered the oil industry in the USA and spread globally. Rockefeller did not buy up other companies under different corporate names. He bought them all up and they all became part of Standard oil. The standard oil Trust it was called. T Roosevelt was who passed the Sherman anti trust acts BECAUSE of Standard oil. Labor union history is an entirely different thing. Standard oil was broken up into 7 different companies. They were called the 7 sisters. Many books have been written about it. Ida Tarbell wrote the first History of Stand Oil. But since then many many books have been written, most of which I have read. The anti trust laws were used to break up several industries but those laws have become pretty disregarded since Ronal Reagan and his anti government stance and several of the old 7 sisters have since RE merged, Like ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips and Chevron/Texaco. But what you must realize is that even with companies like Walmart and especially the oil companies they are not just American companies but instead are now Global companies who operate under the laws of many different countries. Walmart, Coke, PepsiCo, McDonalds, GM, Ford, ExxonMobil and almost every other American company is no longer American but is global. ExxonMobil gets over 70% of its revenue OUTSIDE of the USA. Im sure the same for most other companies.

      • Jason

        the keystone pipeline would do nothing for us, as none of that oil would even see our shores beyond the ships it exits them on.

        the only smart thing you said was breaking up huge corporations. Trust busting used to be a republican thing, but, like most things they used to do, they turned their back on it when nixon attached us to the petro-dollar.

      • Jason

        When was the last time bill o’reilly let someone he disagreed with complete a sentence without putting up a sign like a childish wil e coyote?

      • madshark

        Actually, it is the libtards who have controlled the education system for sixty years. It is also libtards who own and mange all of the network news shows and all cable news networks, with the exception of Fox. So if anyone is responsible for uneducated and uninformed Americans, it is you libtards.
        You libtards control the indoctrination and propaganda (education and media) systems here in the US. Why does it scare you so bad to have one non left leaning news source?

      • JezmundFamily

        Lol- Obama’s gotten the deficit down to the lowest it’s been in ages. Try reading some facts, bud.

      • bob

        what about the national debt you idiot, $18,000,000,000,000, you probably can’t even count the zeros. do you even pay taxes?

      • Curtis

        Are you serious? On 1/20/2009, Obama was sworn in and the national debt was $10.6 Trillion. It is now $18 Trillion in six years…. Do the math. This is very easy to Google. In Bush’s eight years, the national debt only grew $300 Billion. I would post the source for you but they censor it out. Go to treasurydirect dot gov. Before you tell someone else to read facts, you need to have some yourself… BUD!

      • JezmundFamily

        Dude, do you know what deficit even means? I wasn’t talking about the national debt as a whole, I’m talking year by year deficits. When Obama took office, the deficit was 1.4 trillion dollars (FY 2009, Bush’s last budget), and the national debt was 12 trillion. It went up a little in 2010 and 2011 and now the deficit is down to about 500 billion a year with a total debt of 18 trillion. That’s a yearly deficit of almost 1/3rd what Bush left him with. And I’m sorry, but I don’t know where you’re getting your facts about Bush from… He raised the debt almost 7 trillion dollars, not “300 billion”. The debt was under 5 trillion and change when he took office with a budget SURPLUS, and he ended it at over 12 trillion. Of course you can just google this though, can’t you?

      • Curtis

        Dude…. Do you know how the federal budgets are done? Bush signed the budget for FY2009 in Sept of 2008. Obama took over and started spending 1/20/2009. Until the end of the fiscal year Sept 30 of 2009, it was Bush’s budget with Obama doing the spending. It was Obama and the Dems in Congress who spent all of that money ($1.7 Trillion). Obama’s first budget did not begin until Oct 1 2009. By then, They had run up the deficit and blamed Bush. The bottom line. I don’t know where you get your info, but it is not from Gov sites. Bush inherited a recession. Do you even know the definition of a recession? Two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. I’ve looked it up on Gov sites many times, My numbers are right and yours are wrong. Quit going to these left-wing sites, they are misleading you. Go to the Gov sites. the info is there and is the real data, without the left spin.

      • JezmundFamily

        First off, they had little control over what they were spending in BUSH’S budget. Second, much of that budget was devoted to TARP. So I guess we’re blaming Obama for the bank bailouts now too? Nobody would agree with your assessment. That’s like saying that Bush is responsible for Clinton’s/GOP controlled Congress’ budget surplus too. If a Republican is elected in 2016, FY 2017 will NOT be his fault. It will be Obama’s. End of story.

      • Curtis

        Controlling both houses of Congress and they had little control? Are you kidding? They spent money like drunken sailors. There is a video on youtube of Bush saying he will not sign TARP until he meets with Obama to get the Pres-elect’s concurrence. Obama asked Bush to sign it. The bank bailouts have continued ever since.

      • JezmundFamily

        A detailed analysis of FY2009 that shows Obama to only be responsible for an extra 200 billion ontop of Bush’s 1.2 trillion. After that, you can blame Obama all you want, but stick to the facts and learn how budgets are made.

        http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

      • Curtis

        Once again, as President-elect, Obama asked Bush to sign TARP and he has gone the extra mile to bail out the banks and major corps to pay back his supporters…. the unions. GM should have been allowed to fail and investors would have come in and bailed it out, without the unions.

      • JezmundFamily

        Do you not realize that the 2009 deficit was already projected for 1.2 trillion before Obama ever stepped foot in office? Not all of that spending is written stone, but a lot of it is.

      • Curtis

        Well, of course. Like I stated earlier, Obama asked Bush to sign TARP in Dec of 2008. Bush said, Obama will be the one dealing with it.

      • madshark

        Here are some real numbers for you.

        http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/a/National-Debt-by-Year.htm

        Debt at the en of fiscal year 2013 $16.738 trillion. Debt at the end of fiscal year 2014, $17.824 trillion. That is a difference of $1.086 trillion. I am not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but the deficit for FY 2014 was $1.086 trillion.

      • madshark

        National debt at end of fiscal 2013 was $16.738 trillion. At the end of fy 2014 it was $17.834 trillion. By using advanced math, called subtraction, we find that the debt increased by $1.1 trillion from 2013 to 2014. The deficit was over a trillion dollars. President Shitstain has reduced nothing. Except for American jobs and safety.

      • David B

        Get your facts right, Bob!
        Deficit is half, employment is the best in 10 years, stock market is the highest its ever been, no more of our troops getting killed for Cheney’s amusement, and we haven’t been attacked…”Mission Accomplished”.
        But it sounds like your just parroting what you heard on FOX!

      • bob

        the real unemployment is over 12% and let’s talk about jobs, are you talking about a 4 year college grad that is flipping burgers or a white collar person working at kmart for 30 hours a week, get real! the only reason you could like obama is for the freebies, unemployment, welfare, free health care, food stamps that you can trade for your drugs that you are obviously on. I would rather see them killed over there, than in my yard. Not that I can’t defend my yard, I own a gun shop with a warehouse of ammo. but if we could get all you leeches that are sucking the blood from our economy with all the entitlements that obama and his cronies keep passing out, and get you to work to feed our economy that you and your kind like to devour, then we might be able to recover this great country that I and my ancestors helped build.

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        but,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ……………….but————–
        …………”BENGHAZI”!!!!!

      • wkstat

        And that’s the truth. This president sucks, along with all of his cronies.

      • Jason

        I smell a troll.

      • Curtis Harris

        Daniel…. You are just making stuff up as you go along. You think anyone believes what you posted? Post a credible source for your claims. I don’t even think lefties believe your rhetoric. I am a Fox News viewer. I read every morning for about two hours from many different sources. I have two Master’s degrees and have taught college for about five years. I am a disabled veteran rated permanent and total. Posts like yours are irresponsible because someone might believe you.

      • John Strika

        Waiting for one credible source from you also. Pot calling kettle black no?

      • Curtis Harris

        No… credible source for what? I made no wild claims. I am the credible source for my own activities and/or opinions

      • Cathy Hutchinson

        You also lie a lot..

      • Curtis Harris

        About what? Casting insults is not debate.

      • Cathy Hutchinson

        No debating with an idiot. Like you said, you are a FAUX (fake) news viewer.

      • Curtis Harris

        This is how you debate? Cast a bunch of insults and you think that is mature behavior? The insults come where the facts and credibility end. You have just proven that.

      • Cathy Hutchinson

        Like I said, no debating with a FAUX news viewer.(is that better). Anyone who would listen to that propaganda and rhetoric IS an idiot…sorry if the truth hurt..just my opinion.

      • Curtis Harris

        Obviously your parents are not monitoring your internet usage. It looks as if your only reason to be here is to pick a fight with someone

      • madshark

        You are too gutless and ignorant to debate anyone.

      • hwy505

        You do realize it was a study by Farleigh Dickinson – that was proved to be a hoax? Why would you do your own research if the context met your own selfish needs?

      • Daniel

        OK. You are an idiot. We are done here. Facts are facts are facts. Your lack of knowledge makes you wrong. That is all.

        You remind me of the guy from animal house “was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor!” So sure of yourself, yet so deficit of facts.

      • Curtis Harris

        You can tell when someone has no facts by the level of insults they respond with

      • Daniel

        If only you knew how silly you look to the 95% of the world not addicted to fox news.

        You saying Obama is destroying any part of the country or the values of our founders, you are simply ignorant of the facts. I’m sorry for the pain these lies cause you, but more importantly to me I also suffer because so many people crave simple and reassuring answers to very complex issues that include dealing with the dirty and dark parts of our own history. Racism, imperialism, genocide, we have done this, but if we can figure out how best to heal that damage and keep it from.happening again, its worth being uncomfortable. I’m asking you to really look at the data and see. We have lots of problems but we are trying to fix it.

      • Curtis

        I have stated that I read every morning from different sources. I rarely watch Fox News. When I do watch Fox News, it is to learn what I have not yet heard, or to corroborate what I have read. If I were to rely on CNN or MSNBC, I learn very little (if anything) above what I have read. There is a good reason Fox News has higher ratings than MSNBC and CNN added together (Nielsen Ratings). I have tried to post sources here but it never makes it thru the censor. This is a liberal site. It appears you guys are protected from opposing sources of information. As far as the past is concerned, I do not dwell on the past, I try to build a future. As far as I am concerned, the real bigoted racists, are the people who cry racism. There is a video on Youtube of Morgan Freeman… In his opinion, the way to end racism, is to quit talking about it. The left screams racism 24/7. It has lost its value because of its overuse. Additionally, I will not play the insult game. I almost get sucked in sometimes, but I back out before I get there. I think that is very immature and I see it a lot on this site.

      • Daniel

        You can stop talking about race. But not racism. The difference is important.

        Saying police mistreat blacks is not a racist statement. Its the truth. How does not talking about that help reduce racism?

        What that video and campaign was trying to do was not start every news cycle with “black male sought in connection with kidnapping”. Or black on black crime main problem in cities.

        If we could get past race its plain that what drives crime is poverty. Whites and blacks proportionally vomit the same crimes in the same number if you index for income. And blacks are much poorer than whites based on a legacy of social oppression that started with slavery but continues to exist today. So much so that blacks die at the hands of police 21 times more than whites. And any murderous parent can claim a ” strange black man” kidnapped their kids, chit their wife etc, and the media goes looking for the mystery black man.

        Thomas Jefferson called slavery a dragon in the crib of the american democracy. We may have slain that beast, but her children remain with us. And on Fox news the whelps of slavery are get at the table of the mighty with lies and hate. We have a huge problem with race, and much of it is driven by people trying very hard to prove no such problems exist. In reading your post I’m not certain if you are one of them.

      • Curtis

        Divided we fall. I am an American. My neighbor is an American, not an African American. My other neighbor is not an Arab American, etc… Get it? If we are all Americans we stand together united. If we are divided into all of these groups, here we are. At each others throats. I have never owned any slaves, I have never known any slaves, I have never known anyone who has owned slaves. All of those people died long ago. I do not feel responsible for something someone else did just because I have the same skin color. I have received no privilege due to being white. There are two jobs that I can point to that I absolutely did not get because of my skin color. Why is that fair? I inherited $6k when my dad died. I have known people of other skin colors who have inherited more. Racism exists if we keep it alive. Liberals keep it alive.

      • Daniel

        So you would like to be black?

        If you think that your whining tirade is true. That your life is harder than black Americans then just say you’d rather be black.

        Unless for some reason being black is an issue? Or being a woman?

        I see all humans as my equals. I can imagine being of a different race or a woman. If the culture really benefited minorities or women, I’d be arguing against their privilege and dream of having their power. But here and now, I’m dead lucky to be white and male. I would have gotten my ass kicked with my mouth as a child. I never get seen as dangerous ever. I am assumed to be honest, to be educated, to be polite and informed. That these are true in my case is not the point. IG is that is assumed based on my sex and color they then also apply to many people who have very different characteristics. And yet we do the same to blacks, to Latinos to gays and to women, as well as Muslims.

        So really curtis. You’d prefer to have been born black in america, or a woman? I’m saying either option is equally valuable. But that white men have an easier time.

      • Curtis

        My argument was that we are all equal. If you start with a disadvantage, which I did, you can rise above it, if you choose to. Or you can sit and whine and expect everything handed to you.

      • Daniel

        So you are saying black people have it no harder than you did? Oh do tell….

      • Curtis

        I do not lump all black people together like you do. some have it harder some do not, but I did find it difficult to not have parents to live with and no home. I found thanks in things that others take for granted. I think my life made me stronger and I am thankful for what I have. I think God guided me to make some decisions when I was young that serve me well today. I do know that I had to work hard for everything. I received nothing for free. I have done well. If I can do it, anyone can. It takes honesty and work… that’s it.

      • Daniel

        And while that’s difficult. It would be harder if you were black. In any city, town, or village in the USA. Every life is unique, that is true. But across the board, being black is difficult within any economic group.

        Its why only black people seem to be shot or detained for stealing their own cars or breaking into their own homes. Its why blacks are followed in stores even if they are well dressed and otherwise show no markers of risk. Its why Black’s are suspended from school three times more, Arrested out of all proportion, and receive longer sentences for the same crimes. My favorite is a study in “Medicine” (or the ama journal I forget) that showed blacks were denied pain management three times as often in the emergency room. That’s racism.

        My life hasn’t been as rough as yours, but I’ve been homeless, jobless and dealt with my share of bad luck and trouble. That in no way reduces your experience of suffering, but neither of us can deny the experiences of black Americans, especially in light of the thousands of ways racism I’d both obvious and institutional in america today.

      • Curtis

        Are you black? Perhaps I have know very different black people than you have. In my late 20s i shared an apt with my best friend who was black. He never complained about any of this, but, he was a worker. You sound like a persecuted black man, but your picture does not look black. I worked with many black people, but they worked. If you hang with people who work, you don’t hear this stuff. Where do you get this stuff from?

      • Daniel

        Wow. Not so bright there are you. First off no. I’m white. I’ve said it twice to you previously.

        Second of course you don’t hear it. You are not listening. Or you ignore it. People don’t complain about racism to racists or to peoe who sound like racists. And anyone spouti g off how anyone who works isn’t disadvantaged sounds racist.

        I’m sorry did you not know “driving while black” was a thing. Ever hear the discussion on racial profiling when every GOP moron trotts out black crime rates and black on black crime as if the rate of crime indexed to race and not income. Do you not see the statistics on stop and frisk, police brutality, employment discrimination, educational misallocation of funds. I could go on, and on, and on.

        Black Americans started behind due to slavery, they were kept down by Jim crow, and have only started to come close to even theoretical equality after the civil rights movement which the red half of the country tries to erase or ignore. So I am calling bullshit. You must either be a so blinded by your own resentment ad to be unaware of how race is treated. Or you are an actual moron with an IQ below 50.

        Facts matter, and you are obviously missing them in this case. Just Google “race and the war on drugs”, ” race and poverty” and I can recommend some very good books if you want to educate yourself. Or you could ask some of your black friends if they’ve been profiled. Just ask, and be ready to listen.

      • Curtis

        Read my last reply… it still applies

      • Daniel

        So in effect you are calling people out of work due to a bad economy where there is one job for each 4 people looking. Those people are lazy? Peoe forced by starvation wages working two or more jobs are lazy? You said it, not me. Working solves it all…. Well says you. And you have shown how ignorant you are already…Mr Bengazi.

      • Curtis

        So, you are now saying the economy is bad? Whose fault is that?

      • Daniel

        Um. The economy is recovering from the bush/Cheney screw up and crash. Which was built on bad policy from Regan and bush 1.which was built on the idea of perpetual expansion from the 50’s. This is not a thing that changes in weeks. Economic growth is a matter of years. If you don’t believee I’m sure you could take a community college class. Its going to be free or subsidized I hear. Good for the work force.

        So yeah the economy is bad, but recovering under the current administration. As opposed to freefall under tje last. Seeing as all real economists predicted a minimum of a 15 year recovery this is batter than it would have been under mittens. The reason is of course that Bush’s wars and policy tanked two major economic segments (housing and manufacturing). I think you might be amused to recall that even the clown car of 2012 GOP hopefuls didn’t promise this much recovery in their campaign ads. Also the current GOP is trying to ensure the recovery mostly helps the rich and doesn’t reach most voters. That was their stated plan remember. To make president Obama failfail. They kept repeating it on fox. So they admit to being traitors, then try as they might the president gets some traction, and they say he’s a tyrant. Do you really think this is how the process is meant to work. The democrats won, and still got blocked on execution of power. Instead we get cry baby whiners from the right who can’t stand taking orders from a black guy.

        You are once again being both misinformed about the cause of the problem. Without too much detail, the problem lies in The fact that congress has been stalling economic legislation for six years because they don’t like Obama. This is after complicity in undermining the economic protections left after Clinton. But also you misunderstood the simple facts again. Yes the economy is not as good as it was in 2000, or 1996. But its better than it was after team decider got done breaking things. And it will be better still when we get a more liberal economic policy in place.

        You fox addicts are all the same. Run out some incorrect information then get pissy when a grown up corrects you. Like today’s fox hissy fit where their terror expert got made fun of by a conservative MP because he had just been making things up. Face it, the emperor has no clothes, your idol is false and you can break the cycle by just getting real news elsewhere. I have my issues with Obama, mostly that he plays way too nice with the right.

      • Curtis

        It’s Bush’s fault… why am I not surprised. If you go to the BLS dot gov website, you will see unemployment 5% or lower for since about 1996 until 2008. In 2006, who took both houses of congress? Oh yeah, the Democrats. In 2 years, they crashed the economy. If you blame Bush, it’s because he never veto’d any bill they passed. Sub prime loans was a Democrat idea. I’ve seen the videos on YouTube before congress of Dems pushing for it and defending it against Greenspan, who said it would crash the economy. He was right.

      • Curtis

        I understand why you are so confused. You translate what you read to suit your needs. Bush’s wars were sanctioned by congress. This liberal economic policy has taken us from $10.6 Trillion in debt to $18 Trillion in debt. More liberal policies would certainly bankrupt us, if he has not already. Liberal policies are a failure.

      • Daniel

        OK so I’m done. Just look at Buisness insider, wall street journal, the Times of London, Buisness today. Your premise is flawed and your conclusions are literally a joke.

        Bush policy led to a major increase in spending, and a crash. After inheriting a surplus. The policy of austerity has also failed in Greece and the UK. Only your small and shrinking tribe of true believers is hanging on now.

      • Curtis

        Hello… read!…. You named a bunch of periodicals, but did not indicate what they are going to tell me… anyone can do that. What you can find on any GOV website, I think I named one for you in a previous post…. Bush’s addition to the debt was $300 Billion, Obama’s is $8 Trillion and counting. By the time he is done, he will have spent more than every president before him ADDED TOGETHER. That is a fact.

      • Daniel

        I was tying to.say
        The information is out there. You have chosen to ignore it.

      • Curtis

        I see you were able to fit the race card in there. Any opposing view is swiftly trumped by the race card. I didn’t count all of the insults, I lost count after a while. You guys cannot debate without being demeaning or insulting. Do you believe a good insult demonstrates a lot of knowledge and maturity? A well informed person just throws a lot of insults? I could respond to your remarks, but it would just elicit more insults. Why bother

      • Daniel

        OK. So me pointing out blacks have a harder time than whites is playing the race card?/and racist?

        Well thanks again for openly displaying your bias and ignorance. You said it not me.

      • Curtis

        True, we are all equal. Anyone only has it as hard as they make it. With equal opportunity laws, minorities have it easier. There are lots of crutches out there to use if you choose. I could have taken disability 30 years ago, but I worked in pain because I wanted more. There are others who were lazy and would accept disability payments, and then just complain about their low station in life.

      • Curtis

        Being white was a disadvantage. Minorities got preferential treatment in hiring for the larger companies. I did well because I was a telecommunications guy in the 70s and 80s. No one knew that stuff back then. In the 90s, not as well because educations started catching up and offering degrees in computer sciences. in the 2000s, two times I did not get jobs because I was white. One of them told me after the VP there retired. I knew him. The second one was obvious Verizon put a black woman in the position without posting the position first. It was done by a black VP. I was more than qualified for that position and already on the west coast. Don’t tell me about white privilege because it has never been a privilege for me. Also, both my grand mothers were Native American. Technically, I am a minority. It was about skin color

      • Daniel

        And that’s the fox news system right there. Tell you how good you are, blame everything on other people cheating.

        I didn’t get the job and a black woman did, must be affirmative action. Maybe she was just better at the interview?

        My life was harder than one black guy I know, so blacks are getting a better deal than me. Except each life is different and maybe he was just lucky?

        Its really cold today so global warming is a lie.

        Stop basing your view of the world by your own bitter experiences. Its childish. Sometimes you don’t win. Life is tough and times are hard. But putting unfair blame on a “race” that is meaningless except on aesthetics. Really examine those moments and think, maybe it wasn’t a cheat, maybe I’m just not the smartest monkey in the tree today. It helps keep you honest. It works for me.

      • Curtis

        You read, but do not comprehend. The job was not posted, if it was, she would not have gotten it. I have an MBA, a masters in networking, and a certified PMP. I also spent the prior 10 years in the top 10 percent in CA. She, on the other hand, laid off twice. They created the position to have a place to put her she would accept. They were meeting their diversity goals. She is now unemployed. She was arrogant and lazy, but, she was a black woman. also, I never wrote anything blaming my life on my race, just those two jobs, but it worked out for the better. It amazes me how you twisted what I wrote.

      • Curtis

        I don’t know where you got that 95% number from, but if you look at the Nielsen ratings, you will see that Fox News ratings is higher than CNN and MSNBC combined. The reason for that is the whole truth that they report, instead of the half-truths that come from the mainstream media. I truly do not understand why liberals are so… afraid of Fox News. It is almost an illness. This is not the forum for us to debate because I have tried to post citations and they do not come thru. The only lies that give me pain are the ones from this administration, routinely. But, I will challenge you to come up with one lie told by Fox news.

      • Daniel

        There’s your fallacy in your words. Fox has good ratings because it has a huge and premeditated pattern of alternating terror to attract attention, followed by reinforcement of the exceptional nature of the viewer. The constant drone that only they speak truth, and you are wise enough to know it. Its the way you sell beer, or an adventure movie, not information. Its why c-span has zero ratings but it is on in any politically informed persons news feed. Because things are complicated and new more than a good/bad analysis. Fox’s use of propagandist techniques has led to the dumbing down of the conversation in this country.

        I can explain in detail how our economic policy and justice system disproportionatly impacts minorities. I know how terrible the tea party makes us look to the larger world and why. I know how the ozone crisis in the 80-90’s played into the current climate crisis and how the pollutants from our civilization may make the planet unsuitable for our species. I know how evolution, carbon dating, numbers theory, and cosmology work in the real world to the limits of my education and reading. I loose my understaing well below hawking, kraus. Etc but I hear what they are saying and I van try and follow the logic of string theory. I know about the writing of the constitution, bill of rights, the run up to the civil war and all that it implies.

        This mass of data supported from around the world and my own very skeptical review of ideas I didn’t like. This is why I am a liberal and you are a misinformed victim of the practical application of behavioral modification for political gain.

        Here’s my bet. I you switch from fox to BBC and c-span and try and refute them with data from anywhere other than the Murdoch empire. I’ll watch fox news and ill try and find data to prove them right. I bet we’d both be liberals in less than 45 days.

      • Daniel

        Sorry for the typos. I’m on my phone and moving.

      • Daniel

        95% of the world of humanity that have access to anything like the same information that we both do but of the two of us, only I have apparently read.

        I’ve read the fox news articles on immigrants, black on black crime, Obama’s imperial and illegal acts. Yet when I try and verify anything I find fox is wrong. They are either terrible reporters under exceptional bias. Or they are engaged knowingly in misleading their audience.

      • Curtis

        Then do not watch Fox News. There are other news channels for you. I have watched Fox News and find their coverage to be very complete and well presented. I am no one’s fool. I have educated myself my entire life. I still do and I will be 60 next year. I know when I am being fed BS. I have been around the block a few times. I know a con man when I hear one and we have one in the WH. Obviously his con worked on you.

      • Daniel

        But they are not telling the truth. And people who believe in their lies are hurting my country and my friends with their racist sexist bull crap.

        And you fully have a right to be as ignorant as you like. But your right to an opinion does not require me to treat it like a fact.

        Let me ask you on this public forum.

        Do you believe our president is a Christian?
        Do you think the ACA is an act?
        do you believe bengazi is any kind of coverup?
        Do you think the rate ofabortion goes up or down when we provide abstinace only sex ed?
        Do you think our president has acted illegally in his time as president?
        Do you think the second amendment provides unlimited rights to carry arms?
        Do you think climate change is in dispute by scientists?

        These all have factual answers. And fox gets them all wrong. Repeatedly, in print and on screen. They also have gone to court repeatedly to guard their right to lie. Its why fox is almost entirely american. They are gutting our electorate by using the right to free speech to lie to people as ready to be xenophobic as you seem to be.

      • Curtis

        I do not believe he is a genuine Christian, no… Yes, the ACA is an act. Yes, Benghazi was a cover up for a lot of inactions. I am sick that those guys were sacrificed and our gov’t did nothing. The President has acted illegally. No amendment is unlimited. The scientists who perpetuate climate change have a conflict of interest. They will not bite the hand that feeds them. They have been caught doctoring the numbers and there are just as many scientists on the other side, even the founder of the Weather Channel. Taxing us does not fix anything. Al Gore has made millions. It’s a con that is make tax dollars for the gov’t and some scientists. And Fox gets it right every time, That is why their ratings are so high. Once they spread the truth to enough people, there are fewer liberals and more happiness… and fewer people calling Conservatives, idiots. That is not very nice

      • Daniel

        OK. And you are dead wrong. And evidence of it is literally being blasted everywhere but fox news.

        What is a “real” christian? He goes to church, makes the right noises. Has xhristmas like a sultan, so what? How could he be more christian. He could hate gays? Believe the world is 6000 years old? Ban abortion?

        The ACA is a law, not an act. Now ratified by all three branches of government. Its the law of the land not an act.

        So just for fun. Review the republican led probe into bengazi. Any of them. All of them give the administration a clean report. Then go look at the record on embassies attacked under Bush Jr.. And read the reviews by the senate on those incidents. You won’t like it.

        What is the conflict of interest for 98.5% the scientific community? Precisely? Why are Scandinavian countries and island nations already preparing for the rising waters? Hmmm….. Oh and those doubters are all paid by oil and coal money. I mean it. Its not even hiding the corruption. The whole world knows climate change is real and are scrambling to do something, but not on fox news…

        You literally got one right. The 2nd amendment meant to prevent governors from limiting or disbanding their state militia either to install local tyranny or to leave a state vulnerable to external threat and thereby weaken the nation. Now that was old school republicanism. No standing army, and only a state militia with a core of full time soldiers. Good politics but bad doctrine as we learned in 1812 and the spats that followed until our own civil war.

        Trust me. Or not. But you are very badly misinformed.

      • Curtis

        Obama is a closet Muslim. The difference of an act vs a law is like the difference between a chicken and a bird. Benghazi… our people were abandoned, that is indisputable. Don’t matter what Bush did, this administration is more corrupt than Nixon.

      • Daniel

        Wow…. How’s the koolaid on bullshit mountain? A man whose been a “normal” church attender is a secret Muslim? Does he answer to Isis or their secret Illuminati masters? Or do you go full conspiracy but. Is it a UN invasion? Chemtrails? Are there secret lizard men under the white house? Was sandy hook a false flag? (I’m from new england so I can assure you it was not)

        Believing that our beer drinking, pot and cigarette smoking president is a Muslim. Might as well cause coke snorting bible pounding Bush.

      • Curtis

        He’s a good con man. He puts up the front he needs to. He has you convinced, so it works. He does not answer to them, but he respects them, so he does not go after them and just plays softball. That’s why there was no response in Benghazi. That’s why he did not go to France. He favors what happened there.

      • markmcgood

        This statistic is Bulls**t. The questions were things like “true or false, global warming is proven science.” You may believe that, but many credible sources disagree.

      • Daniel

        Climate change is settles science. So is evolution. There are no death panels either. No bengazi scandal, no IRS scandal. Vaccines don’t cause autism. More guns lead to higher rates of murder and accidental death. Black on black crime mirrors white on white crime. Yup all facts.

      • markmcgood

        I am loath to reply to your comment because of the old adage about arguing with a fool, but here I go. My statement referred to Global Warming not climate change. Since there had been no significant global warming since 1998, the proponents of the flawed computer models began referring to the subject as climate change. This is fairly safe, because the climate is constantly changing. A better way to determine the level of a person’s knowledge would be to ask a fact based question such as Who is the vice-president? rather than a question that could be considered a matter of opinion. As to your other statements, yes there is evolution, but it isn’t settles science either (I know, the term is settled science but I’ll go with your words on this one), Advancement in knowledge of DNA and gene mutation are ongoing, and Darwin’s original theory is constantly expanding. That a person such as Hillary Clinton who was the sitting secretary of state and possibly our next president would make the “what difference does it make” comment is a scandal in itself. Lois Lerner taking the fifth and destroying her e-mails – I guess there’s no scandal there either. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone on Fox News mention vaccines and autism…that’s Jenny McCarthy and I think she used to be on the View on ABC. The highest murder rates in the world are in Latin America, Africa and the former Soviet Union, not the United States. Yes, black on black and white on white crime rates are similar, but blacks are 1/8th of the U.S. population and they commit 1/2 of the murders and 1/4 to 1/3 of other serious crimes. There’s a warp in your mirror

      • Daniel

        So your argument is that because some small percentage (3-5%) of scientists think that climate change (once thought of as global warming but clarified as data was researched and understood). Does not exist or is rather at least “not man made”. That point is worth not trying to a potentially catastrophic climate event that 95-97% of all climate scientists agree is both impending and to some extent mitagatable by our current technology and behavior.

        Even in this you’d rather just assume the guy you want to be correct is correct. OK to the magic of metaphor. And thus I will use a colorful example.

        I find I want to build a house on a hill I own. Its going great but the architect says the hill won’t hold a house. So I get another, he says the same thing. So after asking let’s say for argument 14,000 architects, something like 1,189 say that the hill might be able to hold your house. But of those 10% belong to a group paid for by the guys who sell hills…. You surely see the problem.

      • Curtis

        Damn Mark….You took the words right out of my mouth. I could not have said it better. There is also the issue of the calibration and error rates of the instruments used to measure temperatures then and now. One or two degrees is hard to believe when the devices do not use the same calibration metrics.

      • markmcgood

        Curtis – Thank you for your rational support. I had decided to follow my own advice about arguing with a fool and not respond any further to Daniel.

      • madshark

        You are a moron. Facts have proven every one of your opinions above wrong.

      • Daniel

        Careful. Those secret UN/black panther/Zionist troops might take your guns and put you in a FEMA camp!!! You children make me laugh.

      • madshark

        Excellent. Typical libtard tactic. When every argument you make is destroyed by facts, start the ad hominem attacks. Its all you idiot libtards have.

      • Daniel

        Not at all. But you are basically expounding debunked talking points that have no merit. I reflected that humorously. Because it’s funny. Its like UFO enthusits.

      • madshark

        Debunked by libtard idiots. Also known as truth to every thinking person on the planet.

      • Daniel

        Well you did start it with bengazi. Which is in the same club.

      • madshark

        Actually shit for brains, I just went back through the thread. You are the first person to mention Benghazi. But, now that you mention it, how about that Hildebeest and her violating the law by conducting official government business on personal email accounts? Or the fact that President Shitstain was illegally running guns to al Queda in Syria. Yes indeed, this investigation is getting fun.

      • Daniel

        I brought it up as an example of a lie that fox keeps kicking out. Like death panels or Obama being a secret Muslim. You mentioned it as an actual scandal. Which it isn’t.

      • madshark

        Sorry stupid, I do not converse with anyone who has demonstrated that he lacks the intellect to understand and accept sourced truth and facts. Throughout our little discussion I have presented sourced facts to support my position. You have poopooed those facts and submitted left wing nut job opinion blogs. You have no facts, and malign those who do. You brought Benghazi up, not me. We now know several crimes were committed in the run to and cover up after the terrorist attack on our consulate and CIA annex.

        Dimbfuck Dan, get this through your thick, stupid skull, you bore me. You parrot the same, lame, old libtard stupidity, which has been proven wrong countless times before. this will be the last response you get from me, Dumbfuck Dan.

      • Daniel

        And yet unlike you. I do not resort to using profanity. And I had refrained from personal insults. Until now.

        I looked through some of your other posts.

        So you are another failed angry white guy, confused by a world far too complex for your limited intellect. You make blanket statements about other races, and other countries because in your tiny mind you hope that you really are being screwed by a giant conspiracy, because the truth is that you, and those like you have simply failed to adapt and are dropping to your natural level in society, the bottom.

        When being white, male, and Christian stops giving you social cachet you are just out of luck. You cling to the lies offered by fox because they absolve you of the failure that is your life. You aren’t educated enough to succeed and aren’t wise enough to know it. Like a toddler clinging to his mommy after a big boy picked on you, you and your ilk run back to fox to be told how special you are and how its not fair.

        Well guess what loser, its the real world. Real facts, real issues. The GOP is a party losing the popular vote to hang onto angry white guys like you. Their lies are crumbling and they are laughed at around the world. The idea that fox is some lighthouse of truth is about as realistic as believing George w. bush got into college based on his grades. Or that sarah Palin is any kind of intellectual. You are supporting a boat load of fools because they tell you how smart you are. But they are fools and you are an even greater one for being fooled by such idiots.

        You insult our sitting president, you hope for his downfall. Where I come from that’s treason. I never agreed with that Texas clown bush, but I never wanted him to fail, because I’m an american. And just to blow your little pea brain. Every descendant of slaves is more american than you. They had no choice and yet they stayed. So take your little whiney ass back to your mommy and remember me when the real world finally washes away you delusional.little bullshit island of fantasy. You need to compete in the modern world, and when you start with as little raw material as you have, I guess a fair game really does feel pretty terrible. But luckily we have social security to care for people like you, the mentally deficient.

        And I didn’t even swear.

      • madshark

        I do not resort to it, I relish in it. It is my oil and canvas, and I am van Gogh. And on the balance of your moronic blather, I have two degrees, EE and Philosophy. I own three businesses, employing between 15 – 20 people. I, and they, earn me enough to buy and sell you.

        I have served my country as a US Marine. I have coached little league sports, been a Cub Scout and Boy Scout Den and Pack leader. I work with a federal court to help indentify youths who may be savable and find treatment for them. I give a considerable amount of my time working with alcoholics and addicts, in recovery. I am also on Texas’ Article V Committee.

        You, on the other hand, have a make work government job, counseling folks on how to abuse and take advantage of government freebies. You are an ignorant, pathetic, useless piece of shit who only survives because you suckle off the tit of the taxpayer sow. If not for 140 years of Progressive/Communist infiltration of our government, pathetic fucks like you could not survive. You produce nothing. You benefit noone. You are a leech on society.

        We (Conservative Constitutional originalists) are in the process of returning the Constitution as the guiding document of our Republic. It will be a long fight. It took your leftist ilk (the Progressives, Communists, Socialists and Fascists) 140 years to degrade out Republic to the point it currently is. But the up side is that losers like you will no longer be so miserable and angry. You will learn that you can bring a benefit or useful product or service to your fellow man. You will learn the satisfaction of an honest day’s work.

      • Daniel

        I’m in private industry. I was in the army. And I’ve never taken a hand out.

        But hey how’s that strict read of the second amendment? Well regulated military is the first bit…

      • madshark

        Based one your idiotic response, I have to assume you do not understand the definition of militia. According to US Code the militia is ALL able bodied persons between 18 and 45. Here is a link. I d so enjoy exposing the monumental stupidity of those on the left. How does it feel to have everything you say proven wrong, stupid. Read it and weep, stupid.

        https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

      • Daniel

        Because we had no standing army. In the late 1800’s militia was transitioned to the national guard. Your argument is historical not current

      • madshark

        No sir. It was current and will always remain current.

        “What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty…. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment – Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

        “…to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380

        “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States” Noah Webster in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution’, 1787

        “…but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights…” Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29

        “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution’ under the Pseudonym `A Pennsylvanian’ in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1

        “Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people” Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788
        As I said before, I look to the intent of the Constitution. While the militia was intended to repel foreign invasions and quell disturbances between the various States, the overriding intent of our Founders was for the citizen militia to hold the power of the Federal government in check. To that end, their intent was that the citizens are to be as well armed, and as equally armed, as any standing army might be.
        That purpose has as much validity today as then. And before you come back with the moronic response, some form of, “The citizens could never fight the US military.” You must remember there are at any time 20,000,000 retired and former military and law enforcement who are prepared to honor their oath to defend the Constitution.
        Also, every time the government polls military members regarding their willingness to fight, or disarm, the American citizens they overwhelmingly rejected the idea.
        You are once again wrong. How does it feel to be wrong on every subject you think about, stupid?

      • Daniel

        And frankly your degrees must be from online institutions as your grasp of civics, history and basic arithmetic are so lacking as to make your claims simply white noise.

        Every right wing loon claims to be a rich and successful small Buisness owner employing many people in subservient roles. Yet on balance liberals are more successful, better educated and less criminally inclined. Its in the FBI and census data by the way. States under GOP executives fail spectacularly and yet the peanut gallery yells Victory or plays victim as needed. Its infantile and sickening.

        You are a loud mouthed moron with a dwindling stake in the future of the nation, and a slipping grip on sanity. Your support for a group of traitors and cowards who besmirch the honor and dignity not just of our duly (twice) elected commander and chief but also of the office he holds. The vast scope of your stupidity is only eclipsed by the degree of whining self pity constantly leaking out of every useless orifice.

        You sir are either a true fool and are being duped. A racist who can’t get beyond a black man in the white house. Or the worst type of liar, one who gets so lost in his lies he forgets he is fabricating his story.

        You and the american sniper, bravely making shit up to sound important. I bet your little army surplus uniform gets all tight in the britches when you here “strict constitutional authority”. But our founders set up a federal system and a freedom of speech. They envisioned a basic equality for all citizens, an honor bestowed by birth or naturalization not race. You are an atavism. In the 1950’s you’d wear a hood proudly, now you suckle the sweet and fatuous lies of your intellectual betters, hannity, beck, Limbaugh et al. You parrot their discredited nothings hoping to score a point. Failing to notice you have already lost.

        Its like watching a slow child play checkers, in the back of the chess club. Stop embarrassing yourself and our shared country. Go watch red dawn, jerk off and go to sleep dreaming of saving the country from Isis or whatever. But stay out of public unless you have a minder.

        Fox news has an 11% accuracy rating. They are not news at all. You and the other true believers are why we have the likes of Rubio, Bush, Palin, and Cruz undermining the democratic system and bleeding off the dignity of america.

      • madshark

        If not for the job gains of that failed State, Texas, there would have been no net increase in employment for President Shitstain to brag about. Read it and weep, stupid.

        http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/239402-believe-one-state-solely-responsible-net-job-growth-since-2007/

        If you are that pathetically uniformed, there was no point in reading the balance of you moronic blather. You are so damned stupid, nothing you say is to be given any credibility. By now, stupid. It was fun proving you wrong, once again. You make it so easy, by posting such idiocy.

      • madshark

        No Dumbfuck Dan, what we realize is that you are an idiot.

      • David B

        Get Real.
        Read investigations that prove that the owners of Fox dictate exactly what is said and by whom.
        No real reporting here.
        You right wing boneheads get your heads out of the sand!

      • Curtis

        Is it a requirement of a liberal to be insulting by nature? Why is it all of your postings need to have name calling involved?

      • madshark

        If only she could. Rather than parrot meaningless, false equivalencies.

      • joeboken

        False equivalencies? You nor Gray Panther don’t even know the meaning of socialism, it’s a part of all of our lives, and both right and left benefit from socialism, fool.

      • bob

        oh yes, you tell it to them comrade

      • Tuxedo_Plowboy

        You have a problem then for sure! Go fix stupid!!!

      • Shadow Diver

        The phrase is: ” You cant fix stupid’, but nice try Twinkles.

      • disqus_kOWCDWHSMo

        Government had nothing to do with any of those corporate inventions, because they required imagination and motivation something the government lacks. but your a moron, so I wouldn’t expect anything else from the likes of your type of low information idiot.

      • Cin5456

        Social Security came from President Roosevelt; Medicare came from President Johnson, and public schools came from separate states implementing them, with Massachusetts and New York being the first. (The idea for a public education system started with Thomas Jefferson, but he didn’t get enough support at the time.) All of those are government inventions, not corporate inventions. Corporate inventions would be child labor – as young as five years old cleaning factory floors, and fires that killed captive female workers because garment factory owners refused to unlock the exit doors or provide ventilation, and mines that collapsed because owners refuse to use proper bracing, and children crushed in stairwells when corporate thugs locked the exit doors and yelled “fire,” and strike breakers who broke the bones of those who refused to work for starvation wages while their lungs turned black. Those are corporate inventions that required the imagination of corporate overlords who worshiped the motivation provided by the almighty dollar. You need a new source of information.

      • Purp Chiten

        No Cin5456, the push for public education in the US started well before Jefferson was even born. The Puritans from the Mass. Bay Colony made it law for Latin schools (grammar school) to be established. Of course public education was dreamed up well before the American colonies were ever dreamed of. The US wasn’t instituted with the “creation of the earth” nor by the resurrection of Christ…. no matter what fauxnews may try to tell you…

      • Purp Chiten

        Darn socialism…. What does it ever do for us!!! ….you know,
        except provide: Military/Defense, Highways/Roads, Public Libraries, Police,
        Fire Department, Postal Service, Student Loans and Grants, Bridges, Garbage
        Collection Public Landfills, Farm Subsidies, EPA, Social Security, museums,
        Public Schools, Public Parks, Sewer systems, medicare, Hoover Dam, State/City
        zoos, Medicaid, Free Lunch Program, Disability Insurance, Town/State run
        beaches, unemployment insurance, city/metro buses, WIC, state snow removal,
        PBS, CDC, Streetlights, FEMA, Amtrak, NPR, OSHA, State and National monuments,
        USDA, Scholarships, Peace Corps, Americorps, National Weather Service…oh wait,
        maybe we need it…

      • Phil Petz

        A lot of what you listed are programs that have been deemed insolvent or close to it.

      • RustyCannon

        Well, if you elect people who hate government and they defund the programs that make government work, then it follows that they’re going to create the failure that they ran to fix. Of course, they don’t want to fix it because that would ruin their message. Try to catch up. The evidence is all over you and puddling at your feet.

      • Phil Petz

        You’re all wet behind the ears if you think government can run programs “the evidence is all over and pudding at your feet” to prove otherwise . Pull up your pants and straighten out your hat Rusty there’s a lot going on out there.

      • RustyCannon

        Mr Petz, I’ve been watching very closely since the sixties. We were doing pretty good until Reagan came along. Trickle down has been an abject failure. The vast wealth that was held by the middle class and growing in the 70’s has been systematically robbed from the middle class and handed to the ultra-wealthy, mainly by changing the tax code to make the workers bear the brunt. The trickle down never happens. Just as George HW Bush called it: “Voodoo economics”, it has failed to do anything other than rob from the workers and give to the rich. If you have evidence otherwise, I’d sure like to see it. Destroying government agencies, piece by piece and then bitching about them not working has been a good ploy to get the support of the ignorant. Blaming poor people for taking your income from you while the very wealthy banksters pick your pocket is another ploy that feeds on ignorance and emotion. But you go ahead and keep voting for the GOP and see how much worse we can make the country. I’m lucky. I was born when the American dream was still possible to achieve and I did. Young people these days won’t have the opportunities that we’ve had.

      • Curtis Harris

        Here is the hole in your theory… I grew up an orphan. I was homeless as a teenager. I joined the military to survive. After two years, (age 20) I was diagnosed with Lymphoma and given 6-8 months to live. Turned out to be Crohn’s. I raised five kids. I educated myself. I’ve made over a six figure salary most of my life. I spent much of my life working in pain. I retired disabled at 53 very financially secure. If I can have the life I have, anyone who wants to work can do what I did. I’m not special or magical, I have just taken pride in my work and been dedicated. Failure or success is your own product.

      • RustyCannon

        Mr Harris, congratulations to you and me. I too was dirt poor and lived hand-to-mouth for nearly a decade after I got out of my conscripted service during the early part of the Vietnam war. I worked my way up from a starting position to middle management and found much success through hard work and creativity. Coincidentally, I too retired at 53 well over a decade ago now and I’m living quite comfortably, thank you very much, because I saved, didn’t buy expensive toys or go on lavish vacations, and took advantage of a rising real estate market.

        We were lucky, but look at where you would be if you started out now. I could never do my career starting over now. I had to work full time and go to school full time to get my degree. The GI bill helped, but these days, wages are so low in relation to tuition costs, even with the GI Bill, I wouldn’t be able to do that. I have a defined-benefit pension. It isn’t much, but when combined with my savings in cash and assets, plus SS, it has worked out for me – as per my plan from an early age. In those days, defined-benefit pensions were available to about 40% of workers. Today, it is about 10%. So that leg it gone. The 401k’s turned out to be a scam. I utilized it because it seemed like a good deal, but the rules keep you from moving your money when you have to and just as I was retiring, but before I could move that money, 40% of my life savings vaporized. Luckily, I still had enough to live comfortably.

        But again, I’m not talking about you and me. The landscape has changed drastically for the worse and young people today will not have the opportunities to move up the ladder as we did. Open your eyes. You have children and likely grand children. Do you really like what they are facing for education costs and low wages? And now the GOP wants to destroy Social Security so there will be no safety net at all for them?

        I applaud your success under adverse conditions. Most people going through that have empathy for people facing similar or worse circumstances.

      • Curtis

        My son is following my path. He is stationed in Italy. He works on fighter aircraft. He has already investigated his options when his 6 years is up. He can work for Northrop (one option) and make $70k a year starting. If he is smart and works hard, that is only the beginning. It is doable. My Granddaughter is going to college for Criminal Justice. The opportunities are there. And the GOP wants to destroy SS? That is a new one on me. Can you expand?

      • Heidi Hanson

        Evidently you have not read any iteration of the Ryan Budget bill. He proposes privatizing Social Security by giving the administration of it to private banks (Chase bank now runs the food stamp EBT cards) and Allowing anyone under 50 to choose to not join the public program. First the banks would charge for you to access your account and maintenance fees and second once the younger people quit funding it completely it will collapse within just a few years and actually would become insolvent. I am surprised a right winger like yourself doesn’t even know your own parties legislation they have submitted for voting in Congress several times now.

      • arelius705

        Your right Phil, you would think these people think their government could send a space probe to Saturn………….oh wait.

      • Tuxedo_Plowboy

        You forgot the road to Communism didn’t you??? Conveniently.

      • bob

        that’s all paid for with my taxes. I paid my son’s way through college, I pay for my health care at higher rates than before obombercare. (Obomber the big one that destroyed our nation) I pay for my solid waste disposal, I am a working American and I pay my own way Don’t even think of adding Social Security to the mix of poo that flows from your mouth. If you liberals think our country needs you, think again. We need people that will pay their own share instead of taking as much as they can get for free>

      • YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE RED BIBLE BELT RIGHT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ABUSE THE GUBMINT HANDOUT FOLK, YOU KNOW CAROLINA MISSISSIPPI,FLORIDUH TEXASS AND SO ON AND THEY CERTAINLY AREN’T LIBERALS NOW ARE THEY ? YOU SHOULD REALLY DO A LITTLE RESEARCH (CHUCKLE)

      • Heidi Hanson

        Taxes===> Services ===> Socialism. How did you miss that connection?

      • RustyCannon

        Jefferson founded the University of Virginia as a free university for the citizens of Virginia. Seems like he was also involved in something called “land grant universities”. Yeah, those founders, they hated education, ‘specially gubmint ejakashun.

      • Dorothy Watts

        Alright. You tell them.

      • joeboken

        Government had nothing to do with Social Security? Who started it then, Kaptain Kangaroo? LOL

      • Kenneth Williams

        At least she probably knows the difference between ‘you’re’ and ‘your.’

      • scribblegenie

        Lol You noticed that too!

      • Ty Mellon

        You really have no idea about what you are speaking.

      • Jason

        DARPA = Internet = government

      • RustyCannon

        Well, ah, actually, government collaborated with private interests to create the internet. But I know that wasn’t as important as the rural electrification, rural telephony, and all the other programs that we’ve created since the dawn of the New Deal to try to pull you rural ignorant slobs out of the dark and educate you.

      • Daniel

        To be fair it also raised the floor for urban poor as well

      • RustyCannon

        You’re right Daniel, it raised the fortunes of the working class across the board, but I was citing the names of the programs. The interstate highway project was the last big government program that put the nation to work on a massive scale and helped the middle class and helped the poor become middle class. We are ruining the country now letting it decay in the face of infrastructure maintenance and improvement all in the name of “austerity”. No country ever cut their way to prosperity. We have plenty of evidence to the contrary.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Ever heard of NASA? It was NASA that contracted and LAUNCHED the first satellites. Just like the USAF does not build it own fighter jets, NASA also contracts out its communications satellites. “By the middle of 1961, NASA had awarded a competitive contract to RCA to build a medium-orbit (4,000 miles high) active communication satellite (RELAY); AT&T was building its own medium-orbit satellite (TELSTAR) which NASA would launch on a cost-reimbursable basis; and NASA had awarded a sole- source contract to Hughes Aircraft Company to build a 24-hour (20,000 mile high) satellite (SYNCOM). The military program, ADVENT, was cancelled a year later due to complexity of the spacecraft, delay in launcher availability, and cost over-runs.

        By 1964, two TELSTARs, two RELAYs, and two SYNCOMs had operated successfully in space. This timing was fortunate because the Communications Satellite Corporation (COMSAT), formed as a result of the Communications Satellite Act of 1962, was in the process of contracting for their first satellite. COMSAT’s initial capitalization of 200 million dollars was considered sufficient to build a system of dozens of medium-orbit satellites. For a variety of reasons, including costs, COMSAT ultimately chose to reject the joint AT&T/RCA offer of a medium-orbit satellite incorporating the best of TELSTAR and RELAY. They chose the 24-hour-orbit (geosynchronous) satellite offered by Hughes Aircraft Company for their first two systems and a TRW geosynchronous satellite for their third system. On April 6, 1965 COMSAT’s first satellite, EARLY BIRD, was launched from Cape Canaveral. Global satellite communications had begun.

      • Mark Guglielmo

        “your a moron” – the irony is so rich

      • beers22

        “you’re” as in you are a moron.

      • John Strika

        Um you can’t call anyone an idiot when you dont even know the difference between your and you’re.

      • Virginia Liberal

        Good comeback Heidi.

      • Joseph Sacramento

        Roads bridges buildings healthcare education infrustruture communications Energy. All of iy

      • Trusty

        Those satellites were built and launched by private industrialists, your phone and TV do not get signals from government (taxpayer) satellites.

      • Josh

        There would be no satellites, public or private, without government. Private industrialists did not invent the technology, nor do they control the ability to implement it. This oppressive government also allows salacious nonsense, such as Fox News, to be broadcast to the public despite the harm it is causing to the minds of the weak.

      • Heidi Hanson

        NASA had nothing to do with all of those launches? Gee I seem to remember watching the countdowns on TV. I have been to visit NASA, Have know people who worked for NASA, Sure seemed like government to me, especially when the Government cut the funding there was much sorrow and worry in Webster/Clear Lake City Texas. Odd to that the people who manned any of the Space Shuttle which was also used to launch satellites was always manned by GOVERNMENT personnel.

      • hwy505

        You sound good to yourself in a cavernous arena. Don’t you? Your ignorance within the area of civics is astoundingly sad.

      • capt obvious

        You have no idea how telecommunications work do you? I didn’t realize my itty bitty lil ol cell phone was actually a satellite phone. Kinda makes me wonder why there are dead spots in our more rural parts of the country, dammit I want my money back! Next time my internet goes out I’m calling uncle Sam! Since he created all that……..I guess al Gore created the internet too. Smfh, Damn that govt kool-aide is potent.

      • Heidi Hanson

        “satellites are used if the public telephone system finds it necessary to transfer the call to a satellite in a domestic or international long distance call”

      • David Horton

        But he built it….lol

      • RetiredArmyGuy

        Actually, these satellite communications systems were created for military use by the DOD. It is their “dual use” capability that allows for commercial communications. But, given that you’re a product of the government school system, I would expect you to know that!

      • Heidi Hanson

        My point was that the technology and launching was initiated by government programs. Without the initial government research none of this would exist

      • nails159

        That’s not true; private entities would have jumped on the idea and we would be in the same exact position we are today: with the Internet chugging along nicely.

      • TheChicoSuave

        Wow. I guess no one has a problem with the word “allow” on this site. That’s the difference. Some want an “unknown” bureaucrat in some office to “allow” them to participate in a business environment. I, personally, want the bureaucrat to get out of the way of my earning a living and employing others.

      • Stanley Bucasas

        Heidi, you sound like a frightened, angry, jealous, hateful, human being. You examples of “socialist” policies are juvenile at best. Social security is a failure and I would opt out if I could. Medicare is a failure, the post office is a failure, public schools are failures, so are public universities. Militarys are required to have a “socialist/tyrannical” governing in order for it to operate effectively. It’s obvious that you are blinded by the empty promises of liberals and unable to see the long term effects of their failed policies because they’re all under the guise of “good intentions” and “compassion.” What good are good intentions if there is no country to practice them in? Liberals are a result of Conservatives that prop them up, enabling their existence. But that’s ok, I understand your inferiority as a human being, as you need middlemen (the government) to take care of you, and you’re too ignorant to see that they are wasting your money. All the while you could be handling these things on your own, specifically tailoring your needs based on personal preferences, location, and other geographical reasons. But for some reason I highly doubt you’re capable. The most generous, wholesome, successful people I know are conservatives…go figure. They do things because they ought to, do things because it’s right, take care of their community because they love it, not because the government tells them too while promising a safety net full of holes.

      • Noah Tenney

        How are Social Security, Medicare, and public education failures?

      • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

        he said he would opt out if he could well if he is so against it he should just opt out and work till he drops dead like most rethugs want the rest of us to…. I am sure he will take his medicare also, hypocrite that he is.

      • Heidi Hanson

        They are all hypocrites just like their heroine Ayn Rand who lived on Social Security from her husband and was treated for her lung cancer by Medicare.

      • strayaway

        Why don’t you also accuse Ayn Rand of using public roads and other municipal services? It would make as much sense.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Yes it would, she didn’t even recognized how much she benefited from the generations before her working collectively to build this nation. Without an idea of community and government there literally would be no roads and bridges that the public could travel on without being held hostage to some individual. Do you really think that every thing you take for granted that allows you to live in a civilized world just sprang into being by some individualist wiggling their nose? Really? Are you that idiotic? HELL YES if you don’t want to contribute to the common good of society you need to stay off the freaking public roads. You don’t deserve to use them. Build your own. Remember what Romney said “He built that” Yeah Right, All of you right wingers are totally delusional moochers

      • strayaway

        Heidi, Get ahold of yourself. Your internal make believe dialogue is embarrassing yourself. The Constitution makes mention of constructing “postal roads” suggesting that even the federal government has a role in roads and a postal system. Beyond that, the 10th Amendment, which libs ignore, allows states to do most anything they like. As I pointed out in an earlier post in this thread, I voted for my last two school spending referendums and prefer socialized roads, garbage, fire protection, and some other service. I even wrote that Vermont should have been allowed to have its own affordable Canadian like single payer system. Some of your statements are so full of anger, besides being uppity, that neutral observers will understand why working class Americans edge away from liberals. Maybe you should have built something instead muddling your mind obtaining degrees of separation from working people and things like dictionary definitions.

      • Daniel

        So your argument is Heidi is right except where states have rights and then she’s wrong because?

        You missed her point. Collective society generates and requires collective resources via the government. Roads and healthcare are equally valid, as are state and federal government. You make no point at all.

        We need government to get a lot of these things. We can argue about how much but not that government is necessary.

      • strayaway

        Read the Tenth Amendment and the rest of the Constitution. The Constitution delegates delegates specific powers to the federal government that meet your criteria. If a power isn’t delegated to the federal government or denied states, then states have such powers. I mentioned Vermont’s quest which was squashed by the (un)ACA bureaucrats in Washington. I never questioned whether or not government was necessary although we would probably disagree about where to draw that line. I instead, pointed out that the federal government has the power to do some tasks and states have power to do others. That is the opposite of what you misread. You must have skimmed over my mentions of some of the things I do support government doing rather than private firms.

      • Daniel

        I think government at all levels most often uses private firms in order to reduce unneeded professional infrastructure.

        My point is more that the founders and framers also lived in a time when corporations had limits on terms of incorporation and also before the Buisness and politics became an exchange program.

        Yes the government has the authority and the duty to deal with these issues
        And as the nation has evolved beyond the dreams of the old Federalist movement we have to accept that the federal government must be able to set laws over a highly mobile population ln a vastly divided country.

        Can a Texan trying to get covered under the ACA be rejected due to her state of birth? (Yes, thanks rick Perry). Can the government act to ensure to protection of the rights of citizens over a state government (yes). This isn’t simply revolutionary era civics man its modern society. And when we pretend we the people aren’t at last call, responsible for the government as well as to the government we are the problem.

        And that is the tea party platform. We want the rights but don’t want the taxes.

      • strayaway

        “we have to accept that the federal government must be able to set laws over a highly mobile population ln a vastly divided country.”

        We should accept the rule of law as written or amend the Constitution as necessary.

        Texas could and possibly should have its own health care plan. That is up to the voters of Texas. Supreme Court Justice Roberts decided that the 10th Amendment was satisfied because the (un)ACA was a tax and Congress did have the power to tax. Never mind that until Wilson, new sorts of major taxes required a constitutional amendment to implement. Also, I see a danger, based on Roberts’ opinion, that Congress can pass any legislation it wants if it includes a tax instead of whether being an actual delegated power.

        Can you document or at least give examples that “the tea party” has come out against taxes on, for instance, roads or municipal services? I thought “the tea party” was against deficit spending and federal binge spending on things like illegal alien assistance and the Wall Street bankers’ bailout.

      • Daniel

        I truly hope you are either joking or playing word games.

        “Taxed enough already” is the motto”
        The noise makers who claim to speak for the tea party have been against every attempt to find programming for the public good from the day we first elected a 1/2 black president. You could literally just google tea party on taxes. They are against what they already pay. And inost areas against paying for schools, plowing, police and fire except at a bare minimum and always with the resentment of the oppressed. Its the basic causis belli of their movement. Eliminate federal power and taxes and get back to state/local control. Of course these folks also gobble up federal dollars like it was buttered grits but that’s another issue.

        I’ll admit some of these tea party folks like rubio can spin a good phrase, as can you. BitBut the truth is plain as day. These mouth breathers want to be free to discriminate, to pay as few taxes as they can and to wave guns around. They may have a point beyond blind stupidity but it gets lost on the noises they make.

        They also skip the fist of the only two sentences in the second amendment.

        They act like the founders were Christian officials not secular politicians.

        They think other people must not offend them while they are free to lie and slander at will.

        Yeah, not buying the tea party as populist. It just doesn’t vote that way
        And that’s the rub; facts matter. Texas, Florida, Kansas etc are all crumbling under this no tax philosophy. So not only is my point obviously true, its also obviously valid. When the tea party grabs the wheel, the car goes into a ditch faster than the Mitt Romney changes his mind. The neo con dream as put forth by this astro turf movement has failed already.

      • strayaway

        I thought job growth in Texas was good relative to the rest of the Country. I recently looked up Texas education results and Texas public schools are doing much better than California’s public schools despite both systems having to spend money on large immigrant populations. The unemployment rate in Kansas is 4.3%, Florida 5.8%, and Texas 4.9%. The national average is 5.8%.

        You rely too much on cliches and stereotypes to slander the other. What are you citing to claim the tea party is against plowing?

        If a power isn’t delegated to the federal government and instead exercised by states, like Vermont’s attempt to have an affordable single payer plan, what’s wrong with that? What harm would come from, for instance, eliminating most of the federal Department of Education and temporarily block granting the DOE’s $80B/year back to state department of educations? The federal DOE is largely a redundant bureaucracy. We got along without it until Carter.

        Rubio campaigned as a tea partier but supports the US Chamber of Commerce’s agenda just like Bush and Obama. I thought the Tea Party had largely died out anyway except as a boogieman for liberal fund raisers. In 2010, “the tea party” had huge rallies and drove some establishment type Republicans out of office . But since then, “the tea party has largely been co-opted by big money Republicans.

        As to the first two sentences in the 2nd Amendment, I agree that that amendment is poorly written but it doesn’t say that the rights of the people to keep and bear arms is limited to using them in a militia. Considering that colonists needed firearms to take down game and protect themselves from marauding Indians, its a stretch to imagine that your interpretation is correct. I’m consequently inclined to think that that amendment suggests two things that can’t be infringed.

      • Daniel

        Um. The. “Militia” was our standing army at the time under the state governors. So that’s just inaccurate. It was clear. Each citizen had a right to keep arms to defend their state.

        As to Texas. Just look at index of quality of life. Adding jobs that pay minimum wage for 15 hours a. Week at no benefits is the republican dream. Sure it helps with unemployment. But it does nothing for poverty.

      • strayaway

        So you are saying that they had no right to keep arms for other purposes like killing game or defending themselves; only for being in the militia, right? What’s you source?

        Supply and demand remains the principle driver of wage levels. Send your illegal aliens back home and see what it does to minimum wage jobs when a labor shortage is created. Under President Obama’s November 20 edict you can’t of course. Instead, they will be given work permits to enter a wider range of employment and drop wages in those occupations. It isn’t just Obama, like you suggest, a lot of Republicans also support low wages.

      • Daniel

        In reverse order. No, Obama is not the problem. Buisness interests are. We had immigration control once, simply by fining those who hire illegal labor rather than the worker. $50,000 per violation. Ditto with income, though I think we require legislation to require workers to be paid living wages (by reducing corporate profits and restructuring tax law).

        As to the second amendment. The documents exist. The discussion never addressed a right to personal arms. It just was not an issue. It was a compromise plan to spare the cost of an army,and to ensure popular support of wars. And it was a law meant to restrain state government from disarming their militia in case it was needed. Its not simply one thing. It was a law created and described to deal with the issues of the day. Personally I find it irrelevant because the category described is simply The national guard now.

        I have no issue with guns per se. I have issues with lack of responsibility and accountability for the damage and death guns cause. If we could only require full registration, insurance and transfer of guns I’d be satisfied with the laws as they are. But the loopholes and disparity of state laws allow guns to be bought in numbers in red states and sold to criminals out in NYC or Chicago without anyone ever proving they are sane and law abiding because the need to be armed outweighs the lives lost.

        Does that clarify my point. I think we need a new constitutional convention to discuss the 2nd, 4th, 10-14th all in light of modern issues. I think we could do it in 2018 when the dems sweep the house.

      • strayaway

        Obama’s support of amnesty and increasing the number of indentured foreign IT workers to replace more expensive middle class US IT workers is in lockstep with the US Chamber of Commerce. In addition, he has the incentive of adding an new dependency class that will vote Democratic. Many establishment Republicans support the same USCofC agenda. I would support going after cheating employers too. That would fix most of the problem. Round ups would not be necessary if the CEO’s of Marriot and Tyson were in prison.

        The second Amendment does not say it just applies to one issue. It lists two. Unfortunately it neither includes the words “and” or specify that the right to bear arms was only to be used in a militia. People then did need weapons for gathering food and killing predators.It sure didn’t say anything about supplying automatic weapons to Mexican drug gangs. That might be a good place to start – or maybe not indirectly giving $500M of weapons to IS. It would have been nice if someone, even the police, had a weapon to shoot the Islamists in Paris today.Why do you suppose the people. probably Obama supporters, in the very blue cities you mentioned have such a predisposition to misusing guns?

        Constitutional amendments are the way to go if you want to accelerate our transition into a police state. Why not amend the Constitution to make it void? That would simplify things for Democrats and establishment Republicans. I am, of course, being facetious. It is painful though to watch the 4th Amendment being chipped away and the 10th almost ignored.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Look up the “Militia act of 1792” that was what the 2nd was written for

      • Heidi Hanson

        Texas is great at 100 dollar oil. Not so much with oil at 50 bucks, Check back in a year and see how it is doing. I live in Texas and have seen this before in 1986. You can expect a big fat recession in Texas in a few months.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Exactly Daniel.

      • Heidi Hanson

        “besides being UPPITY” now that statement says it all. Cant have someone you consider being one of your “lessers” being uppity! Especially a FEMALE. An Uppity woman. I bet you think I am black too. News for you, I am one of those working class Americans who worked for years in a manual but also technical job that helped create YOUR easy and convenient way of life. People like you make me sick. You think somehow you are so special and you assume anyone who is a liberal is not working class. I have some news for you, if you are working class and you consider yourself a conservative and vote right wing YOU ARE AN IDIOT. There are only two kinds of people who vote Republican, multimillionaires and idiots.

      • strayaway

        Nowhere did I say “uppity female” or even mention female but nice try at portraying yourself as a victim. Again, how very liberal of you. Wasn’t it you though who twice mentioned your degrees (plural) as why your opinions are superior to those of mere mortals? Your conjecture about me being conservative is pretty much wrong. Try constitutional libertarian which brings up two other types of people who can’t find a home in the Democratic party and have almost no reason to ever vote Democratic. I voted for third party candidates in 6/8 of the last presidential elections. A Jeb/Hillary match is a corporatist pre-selection I won’t vote for either. Even your guessing is off. Calling people you don’t understand, are unable to comprehend, and disagree with “idiots” is another example of being uppity. Thank you for making my point. I’m also a union member who only owns US name tag cars.

      • notadailycaller

        He should just leave this horrible Country..on that boat to Costa Rica with his hero El Rushbo.

      • Ty Mellon

        Let’s leave Costa Rica out of this. It’s too great for shitty people.

      • Sadie Mae Mae

        Exactly! No one is forcing him to collect. But he needs to pay in for the privilege of living and benefiting from an organized society!

      • madshark

        Btw. I have opted out of SS and the federal income tax. I also have a non Pookiecare compliant insurance policy, and will pay no fines. I have more money than SS would have ever paid, and enjoy a quality of healthcare that none of you government leeches have. So you little choates keep sucking the teats of the momma sow for your pitiful existence. I will enjoy a full, free life.

      • Heidi Hanson

        If you don’t pay even income tax but still have healthcare, all I can figure is that you are in Prison and have no income to tax but still receive the medical care that they are required to provide to the inmates. Or perhaps you could be in an insane asylum… So tell us, which is it. Judging by your name “MAD shark” I say it is the latter.

      • madshark

        I own my own business. I do not support the federal government with my tax dollars. I buy insurance, but it is a nonPookiecare compliant catastrophic policy. Since I do not get a refund from the IRS, they have no means to collect the fine. If the federal government should ever return to its Constitutionally limited function, I will send it my money again.

      • Louis Brown

        I hereby change your name to Minnie the Moocher. For enjoying the safety of this country and not paying for it. And for pimping the government for the checking of all the things you eat. And for your riding my streets with your government inspected car
        Lyin Ho.

      • regressive white trash reli

        translation:
        he either lies or doesn’t work
        ======================================
        we love white trash regressive religious scum

      • madshark

        No shit for brains. I own my own business. I choose to not support a system which works against my interests, so I send them no money. I have invested in things the government cannot get at. Precious metals, guns, art, physical assets. I do not need SS. I have a catastrophic health insurance policy, which is non compliant with Pookiecare. I willl not pay the fines. As I do not receive a return from the IRS, they have no means by which to enforce the fine. I take care of myself and my family. When the federal government concerns itself with acting in the interests of me and my family, I will consider supporting it again.

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        hey loser,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when U make income and send the government NO MONEY they have this 100% tendency to find U and impose “sanctions” suchas fines and prison
        ==================================
        I own 2 “L.L.C.s” in the state of FLA and im aware enough to throw the govt a bone so they don’t dig deeper.
        ergo– U are a liar

      • madshark

        Well Shyt for brains, I can only assume you are too stupid to arrange your finances such that the government cannot prove you have an income. The feds have tried a couple of times to make a run at me. They could not prove I had any income. Looks like my accountant is a hell of a lot smarter than yours. Which, by default, makes me smarter than you. However, should you care to call me a liar to my face, I would be happy to oblige you, next time I am in Florida. Let’s get together. Unless you do not have the balls.

      • regressive whitetrash GOP scum

        considering im paying (roughly) 27,500.oo this year in taxes —see: property rentals/ capital gains VIS A VIS 215% return on sales and option calls— im not worried as my BUSINESS is 100% cash; and im stupid enough to buy a new SL55 amg with cash
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        NE 38 st “la fitness” ,,,,im there NIGHTLY playing basketball and lifting: based upon your decaying outofshape image in that photo I welcome you to my reality……………..I wont call U a liar to your face–
        trust me,,,,,,,,,,,, with witnesses abounding I will certainly use much more expressive language to get you to raise your aging decrepid arms at me,,,,,,,,,,
        NE 38 st la fitness nightly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, M–Fri never before 9pm ( 930 wed as volleyball fills the basketball court) ,,,,, an fri they close at 10 so im there around 830 to close; sat they close at 8 so Im there around 6
        in the event U want to see whom U are chatting with here is a photo of me last aug on vacation in AZ ,,,,holding my pet TEGU–
        make certain U memorize whom U are looking for; Im pretty easy to spot with my long hair and look–
        “balls”—————– U are another chickensh*t white trash regressive scumbag bloviate

      • madshark

        hahahahaha! You are a funny little faggot.

      • madshark

        That would mean you only made about $100K this year. I do not know how I could get by on that little.

      • Jimmy Ray, Jr.

        Tell me more, tell me more. Could you please start with how you were able to do it?

      • madshark

        I own an all cash business. I do not use banks. I buy physical assets which are easily liquidated which the government cannot find (precious metals. gems, jewelry, art, guns and other untitled but valuable items) There is no money trail to me from either direction. The feds have run at me twice. They may have known in their hearts I had property and money. They simply could find, or prove, nothing.

      • Josh

        Yes, you seem so happy. It’s clear that your greed and isolation have provided you with all the warm and fuzzy feelings that human interaction and connection to society simply cannot. I guarantee that I have more money than you ever will, but I have what is known as a heart and a conscience, and I genuinely care about people other than myself. I don’t “suck the teats of momma sow,” but I’m more than happy to help those who need it. Money does not buy happiness. I know you feel it every night while going over your bank statement. It can’t love you back.

      • notadailycaller

        Because FOX entertainment said so.

      • Virginia Liberal

        The only failure here is the fact that Stanley did get enough education from the public school system that was supposed to educate him. What a puke.

      • madshark

        If you do not already know, you are too stupid to understand it their failures were spelled out to you. Fortunately, Conservative America has awoken from a long slumber. We will be taking back control of the government, schools, etc. I know, you children are going to be really mad. You will stomp your feet, hold your breath and generally act like children. But in the long run the country will be better off with adults in charge.

      • MrUSA94

        Madshark, thanks For The Laughs This Morning. Romney/Palin 2016!

      • regressive white trash reli

        bush / Rubio………………………Christie/ cruz……………. carson/ “god” ( who talks to him)………………. huck(ster)abee/ santorum…………………. Nixon/paulsen

      • Bonta-kun

        Rob Paulsen would be a laugh as VP. So long as he does Yakko and Pinky’s voices. NARF!

      • scribblegenie

        He meant Pat Paulsen.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Yes, Pat Paulson…. If you know the reference, it says more about how very old you are LOL (I know who pat Paulson was)

      • scribblegenie

        LOL That’s great! Yes, he was a funny guy!

      • Bonta-kun

        My point stands.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Oh Like GW Bush already did for 8 years. Everyone in the entire WORLD suffered from that debacle, and now you say you want that back again? Conservative must just love suffering. They cant wait to foist it on everyone in the world.

      • regressive white trash reli

        Halliburton and funeral homes and oil producers didn’t suffer,,,,,,,,,so why are U so unpatriotic???
        ,,,,,,,after all; we DID get those unsightly big buildings out of the way so NYC could get a better “view”…………………..
        ,,,,,,,,,and we DID get medicare part D to screw those MOOCHER seniors !

      • The Wing

        LMMFAO…. Libtards still blaming Bush!!! You are fools! You may want to take a closer look at the bills Clinton pushed through before blaming a Bush for anything!

        That housing crash… Uh, yeah… Clinton started that!

        Do some damn research before you besmirch others!!!

      • madshark

        Neither Bush was Conservative. Little George’s “Compassionate Conservatism” was just liberalism.

      • Adam

        how do you hold up so massive a cranial structure, remember now one of the 7 deadlies is vanity.

      • Hugh Gaanus

        Haha that’s the funniest shiite I’ve read all day! Bunch of old white folks who benefited from it all now crying and saying the rest of America can piss off. Hell those same OWF caused America’s problems to begin with! They better charge up those Rascal’s:)

      • Terrie Hunt

        Wow, you sound racist.

      • scribblegenie

        Naw, he just talkin outta his Hugh Aanus.

      • regressive white trash reli

        you didn’t answer–
        ,,,,instead; U parroted otiose crybaby rhetoric
        ======================================
        hence: U are a rightwing regressive white trash fabulist

      • Kenneth Williams

        When do you think you’ll resume burning heretics at the stake?….

      • Noah Tenney

        Stanley didn’t actually site sources to make the case for those programs being failures, and calling people asking Stanley for clarification names doesn’t prove his point. BTW, conservative America awoke from slumber and took control of institutions decades ago. Also, in what ways has the left been acting childish and the right been acting like adults lately?

      • AWOKEN ??? GEEZUS !!! HOW THE FUCK DOES ONE GET OUTTA HERE ??? I CAN FEEL MY GREY MATTER SELF DESTRUCTING

      • CharlieAdamsInKY

        You’re not “taking back” control of anything. If the American public is stupid enough to agree that you should have that control, and votes to give it to you, well and good. But you try “taking” control of this country, and you’ll be seeing your little treason movement stomped into the mud so deep that even Jesus Christ himself won’t be able to resurrect it. You can take that to the bank.

      • joeboken

        He doesn’t know Noah, he feels like he has to say something, and just like Fox, he’ll lie to try to make some kind of point.

      • regressive white trash reli

        regressive republican trash haven’t privatized it yet,,,,,

      • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

        Talk about angry, hateful,frightened individuals!! You sir take the cake! Gosh, all these “failures” that we have going on here and yet so many people are able to survive because of them. Since you are so obviously such a “brilliant” soul then maybe you should get your rear end to DC and take over all of our failed organizations!! I’m sure the powers that be will just be jumping for joy to have you come there with all of your fantastic ideas!! I can hardly wait to see how they will improve with your hand in the mix. And YOU are calling someone else IGNORANT?? Hmmmm.

      • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

        Stanely speaks volumes in this thread as he is a typical Fox viewer and shows just what it does to ones brains.

      • disqus_kOWCDWHSMo

        Because you are ignorant and a moron. You obviously never leave the cave of your computer. sunlight burns your skin and orbs, real life frightens you and your liberal rhetoric keeps you safe in your cocoon of darkness.. enjoy your entitlements . Ayn Rand paid into those systems her entire life and the rest of us strive to invest and finance our own retirement something complete empty brained idiots such as yourself never thought of.. Actually working for your money never occurs to moochers such as yourself. but you happily sponge of the rest of us working folks.. enjoy your ebt macdonalds..

      • Virginia Liberal

        Why don’t you crawl back under your rock? There isn’t enough air out here to waste it on you.

      • Zorro

        Because you won’t come out from under the rocks..

      • Heidi Hanson

        AYN Rand did not pay into anything. You don’t pay SS or Medicare taxes on Royalties. She never had a paid job. SS and Medicare are PAYROLL taxes. She collected her Husband’s SS and Medicare. You are so ignorant that you do not even know how taxes are collected. I draw a monthy payment of capital gains and dividends and I DO NOT PAY SS or Medicare taxes on it.

      • Noah Tenney

        Where’s your evidence of liberals freeloading?

      • Virginia Liberal

        Go Marilyn. Exactly.

      • Nevermore Raven

        Says the obviously angry hateful human being.

      • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

        Heidi is spot on you on the other hand spew out a lot of nonsense and say nothing… if you want to opt out of SS go ahead and do it dont say if i could and take it and then call everyone else a socialist you hypocrite…
        SS is not a failure if the rethugs kept their dirty hands out of it and stopped paying for their wars for oil with it.. it is solvent if they just leave it the hell alone..

      • Heidi Hanson

        Carol, What either he fails to know or refuses to admit is Social Security is just fine. There is a 2.7 Trillion dollar surplus in the Social Security Trust fund and it can pay 100% of what is due until 2035 and 85% of that into perpetuity. It is held in US Treasury bonds that pay on average a 4% interest rate. If Congress would raise the cap to 250K or even just raise the minimum wage the SS trust fund would be 100% solvent forever. The right wing try to lie to people about the status of Social Security when they KNOW that there is nothing that a small amount of legislation would fix, Just like when REAGAN did it in the 1980s

      • disqus_kOWCDWHSMo

        Oh Heidi! I am laughing so hard There are tears coming out of my eyes!! Are you always this funny, Oh I forgot your just that stupid. same thing in my book. Wow do you stay up late at night making up those stats Oh I forgot Libs such as yourself are able to Lie naturally.. Oh man I need a tissue… Too funny!

      • Virginia Liberal

        We’re laughing at you as well. You and your fellow minions, are such a lost cause it isn’t even worth reading your posts.

      • Ami Johnson

        No, {you are} just that stupid.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Nope I got them right off the Social Security Trust fund website. It is free for anyone to see them. It Is easy to find. Just google Social Security Trust fund. You will see for yourself. It is a government site and not one made up by Fox news.

      • Adam

        that btw is not a rebuttal just throwing smoke to hide the fact that you have nothing to refutiate with, sad really, but not valid.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^CRYBABY^^^regressive^^^TROLL^^^PROFILE^^^
        ************************************************************
        who; incidentally———
        voted TWICE for GW BUSH ( see: Americas destruction)

      • Casey Marion

        “your just that stupid.” <— PRICELESS!!!

      • Heidi Hanson

        Also Medicare is funded by the general fund in some cases so that does not run out of money either. The problem is that the very rich do not want to pay any taxes. That is why they lie about the status of SS and Medicare.

      • Heidi Hanson

        LOL you are as full of crap as a Christmas Turkey. I have been retired for three years since I was 57 living off my investments (thank goodness a LIBERAL fixed the MESS Bush left and I was able to retire) I have never even in my life filed for unemployment and I have worked every day since I was 14 years old. WHILE I was working I earned two college degrees and finished two Dept of Labor 4 year certifications. You conservatives LOVE to TOOT YOUR OWN HORN when the truth is you are usually less capable and less educated than even one who is unaffiliated politically and certainly not a liberal. Just remember the richest men with the biggest charitable organizations in the world are LIBERALS namely Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. The most selfish, stupid and unaware people I know are conservatives. Their world consists of a tight circle usually made up of their fellow fundamentalists where they commiserate about how everyone else is not doing what they are supposed to do, all the while they themselves do NOTHING for anyone but themselves and their fellow churchmen and then try to call it charity. It is not charity when you give to yourself.

      • Virginia Liberal

        Give ’em hell Heidi!! You are dead on in calling out those ignorant so called conservatives. They are no more than domestic terrorists mascaraing as so called patriots. They give the word patriot a bad name. They are nothing more than minions of destruction.

      • madshark

        Lie, lie, lie. Blah, blah, blah. Suckled off the teat of the government sow your entire life, did ya’.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Nope, in fact I have never even filed for unemployment though I have worked nonstop since I was 14. I did take advantage of Public Schools though. I dare say I have probably planned better than you since I was able to retire off my savings at the age of 57 (20% of my salary for 35 years) and never have to worry about you Right wingers eliminating Social Security. I feel fairly sure you are describing yourself when you talk of sucking off the government sow.

      • regressive white trash reli

        Heidi– the crybaby shark is a white trash regressive TROLL profile who ignores facts,,,,,,,,,,,,,”thinks” jeeesus is ” god” ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, loves GW BUSH patriotism and generally needs a womans tough as he remains OUT OF TOUCH

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^white^^trash^^^TROLL^^profile^^^who hates ^^^facts
        **************************************************************

        and— get this—-………………

        ………”thinks” that some dried out jewish fella is ,,,is,,,,”god”!!!

      • strayaway

        Heidi, I love it when you laud billionaire limousine liberals. May the 1% be praised.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Well It is true most liberals are smarter and more capable that most conservatives and as such they do make more money, invent new technologies and are very charitable. Conservatives only give to their own Churches. They don’t give a crap about curing disease or making poor people’s lives better. Yes there are a LOT of limousine liberals who have been very successful in their lives. Like Nick Hanauer, who has often tried to educate the other 1%ers that they should not be so greedy or they will lose just as much as the people they try to squeeze the last drop from. Having money does not mean you have to be a total selfish jerk, That is reserved for Right wingers and Religious fundamentalists.

      • strayaway

        Actually, conservatives give a higher percentage of their incomes to charity. Thanks though for being our website cheerleader for limousine liberals and Democratic billionaires. You do make the case for liberal elitists Why you are smarter, richer, more benevolent and entitled to overrule the dictionary and constitution.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Yeah Like Romney who gave all of his charity to the same church where he was a Bishop. When you give to YOURSELF it is not Charity.

      • strayaway

        I’m not Mormon but admire Mormons for taking care of their own. I didn’t vote for Romney either. Please explain though how Romney benefitted from giving money to charity? All Mormon guys have to take turns giving sermons is my understanding. Mormons are supposed to look after each other . What’s wrong with that?

      • notadailycaller

        LOL Stanley must live in Kansas. He’s obviously lacking medical care for his poor little pea brain.

      • Shawn Douglass

        very well said.

      • Krist Martin

        Wow, the stupidity is really strong with this one (Stanley Bucasas). Social Security is solvent for the next fifty years and the US government owes it nearly $1 trillion dollars. That is hardly a failure. Medicare isn’t a failure either, it supports several million people, providing affordable healthcare to those who are retired, are handicapped, or aren’t able to afford healthcare on their own. The USPS wouldn’t be a failure if it’s funding hadn’t be cut a dozen times since 2000 and even then it’s still operating quite well. And the Military is the largest in the world with the greatest amount of funding for a military, it takes up 2/3rds of our discretionary spending (which is way too much I might point add, you can thank the idiot GOP Senators and House reps for that). Our public schools are hardly a failure, though arguably in those states that have actively defunded public schools and universities, performance has dropped. You can guess which states those are…any state with the GOP in control.

        Basically you’re blaming all of the ills of our society on socialism, when socialism worked for over a hundred years before the GOP started messing with it. Socialism created our schools, our post office, and all these other social structures,. Our government, that is us, used public funding to create infrastructure and at the height of the “red-scare” were using socialist systems to keep this country moving forward. Now we have idiots like you screaming and hollering about how socialism is bad blah blah blah and you’re complaining and choosing to “opt-out’ of social systems which you still use.

        Until you no longer drive on our roads, own any land (no houses either), don’t use any of the public works, don’t drink water from the municipal water supply, not use any electricity, and not buy your food from any grocer (or grow your food for that matter since you won’t have the resources to do so) you have no right to complain about the socialist systems that keep this country working.

      • Virginia Liberal

        The only thing America needs to learn about SS, is that Republicans always lie about it. I think most of us know that now.

      • scribblegenie

        Good job!

      • James Brett Mason

        @Stanley Bucasas, You couldn’t be a better example of brainwashed or just plain lunatic fringe hate mongering, and I bet I’m on to something if I suggest that you probably call yourself a christian. Now I am a proud anti-theist. So we will stick to politics. I don’t want to lose you to a barrage of you calling me names in a theological discussion.
        Some actual facts. . Now I know how pesky those ol facts can be to you fucks “news” (teehee) types.
        The liberal tyrant Obama has accomplished, (in the face of the most disrespect, obstruction and vitriol in the history of the presidency.) But in spite of that, the dollar is at its strongest in 9 years.
        The deficit that was bleeding has been reduced by two thirds.
        The economy is booming, (as is usually what happens every time a Democrat takes over for a Republican. Which is funny, because they think they can say they are the responsible party. But in the real world, that doesn’t make it true.)….
        Fucks “news” (teehee)– sorry can’t help it– watchers like you never come out of the bubble, so can’t expect you to know that the republitarts pretend to care about babies before they are born, but after, pfftt, on your own kid. They scream about how patriotic they are, but are arming to take back”murika”. And how they support the troops, but vote almost 100% down the part line to keep our returning soldiers the simplest of dignities that they have certainty earned. That’s your ILK bubba. So I can go on and on and on, but I’ve run out of steam for you. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. why don’t you step aside. Shut up. And let the big boys handle things. I’d say Obama is setting things up fine for the next Democrat. Because your party has lost its collective minds. I have kids. I have grandkids. You are fucking things up for them STANLEY.

      • James Brett Mason

        I know I left lines out that I went past making other points. I think I still make my point

      • Virginia Liberal

        I like you James. You hit the nail on the head so fine!!

      • scribblegenie

        Excellent! Yay, James!

      • Virginia Liberal

        Your comment shows just how ignorant you are about government programs. Medicare has been a smashing success. It’s only narrow minded, hateful uneducated people like you who just like spouting off about things you know nothing about. Social Security and Medicare made if possible for my Mom to die debt free by covering the hospital expenses incurred by the accident that killed her. You have no idea what you are talking about. Just sit down and shut up.

      • Sadie Mae Mae

        funny, those public schools and universities helped to make me a successful physician. The public roads and streets help me get to my office daily. Medicare helps to support the hospital where I practice. Only an idiot would believe that millions of individuals would just “do the right thing” cooperatively. What your conservative utopia would be is anarchy and chaos.

      • scribblegenie

        I’m a doc also. I couldn’t agree with you more.

      • Cin5456

        The most greedy, grasping, and disdainful people I know post comments as conservatives. You all think you are better than others, and you show your disdain through contemptuous replies to anyone who actually likes our government. No, I don’t receive any of the so-called socialist benefits, and I do quite well for myself. But I recognize need and I agree to help. You greedy conservatives want it all for yourselves, and don’t want a single penny you earn to help someone whose skin color you disdain. None of you ever mention race, but I see the words lurking beneath your outward contempt. (Before you accuse me of anything, I’m compassionately Caucasian.) Liberals prop ourselves up, and you conservatives as well. Most government benefits go to conservative states, yet you all say you take care of your own. The evidence does not support that claim. If you think you could handle all of your population’s needs without government help, why don’t your states do something for the poor in your states? Why? Because you think they don’t deserve your help. And that is why the federal government must step in and do what your conservative governments refuse to do. The cost of saving the poor in conservative states is paid mostly by the liberal states. So don’t go blaming liberals for taxes. You take more than you give. You cost the nation more than you earn.

      • Adam

        wholesome? you mean like the long island congressman, Grimm who was just convicted, or perhaps mr limbaugh and his oxycontin habit, Bachmann Perhaps who hides her ignorance in plain sight, palin maybe? after all being involved in a brawl at someone’s home is so christian and wholesome right?

      • Linda Parra

        Those are human values, Stanley. I’ve seen & experienced both Conservatives AND Liberals demonstrate those values. Using that example is a very weak argument. Think Warren Buffett & Bill Gates as examples of Liberals.

      • Kim Qitqat Brechtel

        Stanly…..YOU can opt out. But since you claim to want to do so…..go for it. Ad stay at home….don’t drive our roads.

      • TruthBtold

        Social security isn’t a failure, it has the lowest admin costs of just about any program, Medicare is the highest rated health insurance, and public education, while needing work, has educated generations of Americans who created the best technology in the history of mankind.
        Your argument that liberal policies fail is so beyond logic that you would believe it. You conservatives all harken back to the time “when America was strong” ironically referringn to the time right after we had a 4 term democratic president pushing extremely liberal policies that worked, and still do. The last 35 years have been conservative policies, and they crashed the economy, and ballooned 1% political power and income, while diminishing the income and political power of the middle class. Your party is literally killing this nation, and simply pointing at liberals saying “they did it!” It’s not surprising people like you can’t see that. Fuck off, and stop ruining my country.

      • joeboken

        Another misinformed Fox Viewer, this is fun, we don’t even have to make any arguments, your comments speak for themselves, LMAO. Heidi sounds very confident to me, if she were afraid she wouldn’t be having so much fun with you morons, LOL, thank you Heidi.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Yes I am having fun. And thank you for the compliment.

      • regressive white trash reli

        wow——–
        so: what EXACTLY are regressives ( conservatives) ‘conserving’???? based upon legislation/ history in past 30 yrs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it certainly is NOT fiscal prudence or equality for ALL americans: so what is it????

      • conrad sullivan

        Social security, medicare and public education have been a massive, massive, massive success in this country. You would have to be completely delusional to claim otherwise.

      • conrad sullivan

        Stanley it is easy for you to opt out all you have to do is leave this country that you hate so bad. China or N.Korea both have the kind of Gov’t your looking for.

      • The Reader

        Don’t take advantage of these privileges, Stanley, and see how long before you ask yourself why you thought they were so unimportant that you dismissed them as failures. A country of our immense size and many people requires a government in order to maintain order. This is what the Libertarians in the Republican party would like to see ended, and you sound like one of them. Most of the laws and programs that you don’t like are a result of needing to maintain order among people like you who think you know what’s best for everyone, something I believe to be impossible.

      • Ted Case

        ‘Social Security is a failure’ Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Right wingers say the funniest things! How come none of you can ever get a fact straight? Social Security has almost a 3 Trillion (with a T) surplus. How is that a failure? We’re listening…………

      • Josh

        Actually, moron, it is we who have failed those institutions of which you speak. We could have the best schools in the world, and a social security program that is well funded and takes care of it’s beneficiaries. Unfortunately conservatives have continually voted against measures to improve them. In case you don’t believe me, why don’t you look up the proposed education initiatives in just about every city, state, and town across America, and investigate how, and by whom, those initiatives were shot down. You. Your people. Your sick bunch of greedy, misinformed, hateful, fearful, sad, little people.

      • Susan Weber

        Stanley, the reality is that since we have beefed up the so called war on terror, putting massive amounts into the military and droning countless innocent civilians in foriegn lands, the terror has not stopped, but increased. It has failed. Time for a new strategy. We can certainly cut down on war. Your idea of people fending for themselves and not relying on government has been tried out in the past. Read a novel by Charles Dickens where people who are born into poor society have no chance of coming up, they die if they don’t have money or medical aid. Or you would perhaps prefer Feudalism, which is where we are heading, where the rich control the masses of poor people, who again have no rights and no way to help themselves. We have tried all of these things. Or anarchy– like the wild west. Good luck with all of these things. These have all been tried and have not worked. I live in Germany and like many successful countries like Sweden and Norway, we have education, healthcare and a society that is structured to benefit people. These countries are doing well. These countries are arguably more free than in the US. I am an American, and I feel free– free from gun violence, from fear of illness destroying my finances, fear of not paying for my child’s education. Life is so much better here. Since Corporations have been allowed to do whatever they want in America, the US has been in a downward spiral. There are maybe 5 Senators that are not bought and paid for by lobbyist for banks and corporations. There is no democracy in the US. They use people like you as tools to further their agenda and demonize the underclass. If they succeed and you are not in the top 10 percent, I hope you enjoy living in distict 12.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Susan, my mother’s family lives in Germany and I have visited there many times, and everything you say is so very true. It really pains me that we don’t have smart people who care about Americans like they have in Germany. If anyone has ever been there and been among the German people the difference is astounding. It is like the USA actually is a third world country in how it is organized and the real shame is it did not used to be that way.

      • Susan Weber

        Thanks so much Heidi. I post when I can to inform people about how life can be good in a social democracy but I am so often greeted with ignorance and name calling (“Nazi” “Socialist”). I often feel like a lone wolf in the dark night. Let us continue to spread the word in hopes of enlightening one or two people about how humane civilized government and societies can work.

      • Melanie Mills

        Post office is hardly a failure. You def. are uninformed.

      • GOD IF YOU ONLY KNEW HOW STUPID YOU SOUND YOU WOULD NEVER POST AGAIN IN YOUR SILLY LITTLE LIFETIME < HOLY SHIT ??? DO YOU HAVE LIKE ONE EYEBROW ???

      • Joseph Sacramento

        65 and retired and your so right

      • Ronald Woolever

        But Heidi, you completely forgot those socialist roads they use to get to their socialist doctor

      • Patti_Mi

        It is a shame you can’t be deported to whichever country you like better… Like Saudi Arabia or Iran where you would obviously feel more at home.

      • JCJ Bike

        The problem with social security is the socialists don’t have the political will to manage it properly. Socialists are good with spending other people’s money but are terrible at managing it. All the smart people are in the private sector making and saving money so they don’t have to rely on social security.
        The socialist public schools certainly are also a big problem. We spend more per student (adjusted for inflation) now than ever yet our students don’t do as well. Certainly cultural decay in our inner cities have contributed to a significant increase in kids unwilling to learn but when we take those kids and put them into private/charter schools, they tend to do better.
        Yes, the socialist labor unions fight it tooth and nail and largely provide a lessor product but you hang in there and continue to support them (probably while you send your kids to private school).

      • Heidi Hanson

        Less than 5% of the private labor force is unionized, The right has destroyed them just as surely as when Hitler outlawed independent trade unions. I don’t have any kids, but I did have a step daughter who went to public schools here, She was doing work on a college level when she graduated High School. She attended a Public University and was teaching a freshman calculus class in her sophomore year as a TA. She graduated Cum Laude with a degree in Computer Science. I would dare say she got a very good Education from the public School. She now works writing code for Flextronics. She started her career making 55K ten years ago. Public School is just like any school. You get out of it what you put into it.

      • DariusPicard

        Hey you know what? I do take them because I paid into them. I will never get out my share and they are driving the country bankrupt. If I had invested the same amount I paid into SS I would have over $1M to retire on. Instead I get $1600/month. Many doctors will not accept Medicare patients and Medicare does not pay for doctors visits only hospitalization. If you want visits to your doctor you have to pay extra and there is a deductible. Can’t wait to you guys retire and find out that you’ve been swindled,

      • Heidi Hanson

        So why did you not save that amount in addition to the amount you paid into SS like I did for 40 years? I don’t think you would have saved any of it, If you were going to save on your own you would have. People who save do so, people who don’t save don’t. That is why the program was needed to begin with.

      • rodstew

        I am a 68 year of Viet Nam era vet. I paid into both social security and medicare. They are probably a free ride for you and your welfare slug friends, but not for me. Your blatant stupidity astound me.

        Here’s some facts for you. Find a conservative so that he can explain it to you.

        History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

        Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn’t know this.
        It’s easy to check out, if you don’t believe it. Be sure and show it to your family
        and friends. They need a little history lesson on what’s what and it doesn’t matter
        whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.

        Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and
        card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the
        United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the
        message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

        An old Social Security card with the “NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION” message.

        Our Social Security
        Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
        Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

        1.) That participation in the Program would be
        Completely voluntary,

        No longer Voluntary

        2.) That the participants would only have to pay
        1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
        Incomes into the Program,

        Now 7.65%
        on the first $90,000

        3.) That the money the participants elected to put
        into the Program would be deductible from
        their income for tax purposes each year,

        No longer tax deductible

        4.) That the money the participants put into the
        independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the
        general operating fund, and therefore, would
        only be used to fund the Social Security
        Retirement Program, and no other
        Government program, and,

        Under Johnson the money was moved to
        The General Fund and Spent

        5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed
        as income.

        Under Clinton & Gore
        Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

        Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
        now receiving a Social Security check every month —
        and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
        the money we paid to the Federal government to ‘put
        away’ — you may be interested in the following:

        ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —-

        Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
        independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the
        general fund so that Congress could spend it?

        A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
        controlled House and Senate.

        ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —

        Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
        deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

        A: The Democratic Party.

        ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —–

        Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
        Security annuities?

        A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
        ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the
        Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

        ———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –

        Q: Which Political Party decided to start
        giving annuity payments to immigrants?

        AND MY FAVORITE:

        A: That’s right!

        Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
        Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
        began to receive Social Security payments! The
        Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
        even though they never paid a dime into it!

      • G D Shorty Mayfield

        YOU GO MISS HEIDI….CUDDOS

      • Heidi Hanson

        Thank you Mr. Mayfield.

      • Ron Poorhall

        Oh yes. We all know how well Social Security has been run. Its broke by end of 2016. The government is soooo efficient. That is why they pay $20 for a $.20 cent bolt in the military. Verrrry efficient. Oh and the public school system is really exceptional. That is why most of the students of this country are falling so far behind the rest of the world. I work for a college where most of the American students are out getting trashed and high on Friday and Saturday when our foreign students from Vietnam, Korea, Japan and several other countries are in the computer rooms and library studying. Verrrry good use of tax payer dollars to fund or consider paying of student loans. We know how inexpensive and efficient Medicare is. Wonder why it is broke like our government. 1929-2008 $4 Trillion in debt 2008-2015 $18 Trillion in 6 years. Very efficient and productive use of dollars. Unbelievable. Put it in the hands of free markets in a for profit situation with a United States citizen who has good business sense and then you will see how real efficiency can bring this country back from the brink of non existence like the great empires of the Medes and Persians. Romans. Babylonians. Assyrians. OH THATS RIGHT. THEY DON’T EXIST AND MORE. THEY WERE DESTROYED. Either this potus is the dumbest individual I have ever known or he is a genius and has manipulated our country to the point of economic and military destruction. Either way, we are done. We have succumb to the rest of the world and will become the slaves to them all. Either you rule or you are ruled. America will now be ruled. Get on your knees and bow before the rest of the world or King O.

      • Heidi Hanson

        SS is 100% solvent until 2035 with 3 trillion surplus and 85% solvent after that into perpetuity.

      • David Malone

        Moron, those of us who have worked for a living actually paid for SS, Medicare and public schools. So tired of your lame old arguments.

      • Heidi Hanson

        I think you have the posts confused. I worked for over 40 years and contributed to SS and Medicare since I was 14 years old. I pay and have paid School Taxes since I was 19 years old. I really do not know who you are referring to.

      • RetiredArmyGuy

        Your point may have some validity if we weren’t forced to pay 15% (Yes…that would be the 7.5% that our employers pay that would be otherwise be in our pay checks as well as the 7.5% confiscated by the government) of our income for social security as well as the absurd failed government school systems that produce students who cannot read, execute critical thinking skills, or master upper level math and science! I would much rather take my lump sum contributions into social security and invest it in the stock market. You could then continue to suck off the public nipple in greater comfort.

      • Heidi Hanson

        If you retired from the Army you already have a government retirement. If you were going to save extra from your salary you would have done so like I did for all of the years I worked in ADDITION to what I paid in for 40 years into Social Security. I can make a pretty safe bet that if you did NOT save in addition to your pension that you would not have also saved in lieu of SS. Then you would have lost over 50% of your savings in the stock market like everyone else did that had money in the market in 2008 in any event. Be glad the government kept you from losing all of your money in Stock.

      • RetiredArmyGuy

        You only lost money during the 2008 downturn if you sold any of your investments. I was invested in the stock market at that time and decided to ride out the storm. Most of my mutual fund investments have returned to their previous levels if not having advanced. Social Security, however, is by any rational definition a “ponzi scheme”. At some point in the very near future, the Social Security system will have more people drawing benefits than contributing to the system. At present we have less than 3 contributors for every social security recipient. This simply cannot last and expect to remain solvent Our elected congressmen and women…both R’s and D’s… have raided the social security and diverted funds to subsidize other entitlement programs. This, combined with the absurd notion that we can have people drawing social security disability and SSI benefits who have NEVER contributed to the system, is nothing short of institutional insanity.

      • Heidi Hanson

        No one had raided the SS Trust fund. The amounts have been included with the general fund but the money held in US treasury bonds are still in the SS trust fund and pay an average of 4% interest. You can see for yourself, Just Google Social Security trust fund. You watch too much Fox news. They do not tell you the truth. ”

        “The trust funds are “off-budget” and treated separately in certain ways from other federal spending, and other trust funds of the federal government. From the U.S. Code:

        EXCLUSION OF SOCIAL SECURITY FROM ALL BUDGETS Pub. L. 101-508, title XIII, Sec. 13301(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104Stat. 1388-623, provided that: Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the receipts and disbursements of the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund and the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund shall not be counted as new budget authority, outlays, receipts, or deficit or surplus for purposes of – (1) the budget of the United States Government as submitted by the President, (2) the congressional budget, or (3) the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.”

      • RetiredArmyGuy

        You sem to have neglected the remainder of the information you copied from Wikipedia.

        Without an increase in taxes or a reduction in benefits, the Social Security Trust Fund will RUN OUT OF MONEY in 2033.

        You watch too much MSNBC!

        “Social Security benefits are paid from a combination of social security payroll taxes paid by current workers and interest income earned by the Social Security Trust Fund. According to the projections of the Social Security Administration, the Trust Fund will continue to show net growth until 2022[11] because the interest generated by its bonds and the revenue from payroll taxes exceeds the amount needed to pay benefits. After 2022, without increases in Social Security taxes or cuts in benefits, the Fund is projected to decrease each year until being fully exhausted in 2033. At this point, if legislative action is not taken, the benefits would be reduced.[12]

      • Heidi Hanson

        No what it said was in 2035 it will only be able to pay 85% of the amount due to recipients. 100% until 2035 and 85% after that unless congress hikes the cap or makes some changes and also that is a PROJECTION. That assumes everyone retires at 65 and draws their SS. My mother worked until she was 74, my father worked until he died at 68, and my step dad worked until he died at 75. So Really no one, not even those who project 20 years into the future knows exactly when SS benefits may have to be lowered. Funny you left off the LAST Sentence where it says 75% will be paid after that. “Under current law, the securities in the fund represent a legal obligation the government must honor when program revenues are no longer sufficient to fully fund benefit payments. However, when the trust fund is used to cover program deficits in a given year, the Trust Fund balance is reduced. By 2033, the fund is expected to be exhausted. Thereafter, payroll taxes are projected to only cover approximately 75% of program obligations”

      • Heidi Hanson

        It is striking how you leave out the most pertinent information when it does NOT support your argument.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Here is from the SS.GOV website “In the annual Trustees Report, projections are made under three alternative sets of economic and demographic assumptions. Under one of these sets (labeled “Low Cost”) the trust funds remain solvent for the next 75 years. Under the other two sets (the “Intermediate” and “High Cost”), the trust funds become depleted within the next 20 years. The intermediate assumptions reflect the Trustees’ best estimate of future experience.

        Some benefits could be paid even if the trust funds are depleted. For example, under the intermediate assumptions, annual income to the trust funds is projected to equal about three-quarters of program cost once the trust funds become depleted. If no legislation has been enacted to restore long-term solvency by that time, about three-quarters of scheduled benefits could be paid in each year.

        The Trustees believe that extensive public discussion and analysis of the long-range financing problems of the Social Security program are essential in developing broad support for changes to restore the long-range balance of the program”.

      • John Galt

        Social security cannot count. It’s ‘forced savings’, though it’s not much of a savings plan seeing how it’s spent… Not to mention the interest rate combined with inflation means you essentially make no profit. So, thanks a lot Congress… And no, I attended private schools, paid my own way through college, and am a 24 year old making over 6 figures. Why? Private school still teaches the value of work ethic… Also, taking the city bus to the welfare office isn’t ‘work’, just in case the thought had trickled through your mind. 🙂

      • CCGomez

        Lies lies lies!!!!!! Those things you mention arent socialist by products!!!! They are…they are…………..they….are………’Murican freedom loving inventions created by patriotic Godsend ‘Muricans!!!

      • navydave

        Since the Government took our money no questions asked. Dam right we want it back. You will understand this once your parents die and you have to move out and try to find work that will feed you. Your choice work and save now or know to sleep on a park bench later.

      • madshark

        Hey stupid, did you realize that people collecting Social Security paid that money in to the system. The vast majority of folks who receive SS will never receive as much back as they paid in. Try educating yourself, before you put your foot in your mouth next time, moron.

      • Monica Lovell

        Gray Panther:
        Thank you for further proving the ignorance of your people. One cannot be a tyrannical socialist as they are polar opposites of one another. I could not expect you to know this, for being truly literate is not something you and your brand of people are especially keen on being.

      • Gene Lattanzi

        Damn! I wish I said that!

      • Dave Girvin

        They think socialism is communism… Opp’s did I say they think…

      • WizardofWords

        You should think before you type and use spell check.

      • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

        big crap, we have the spell police…….like people take the time to worry over every little word on all the threads they comment on ..smh.

      • notadailycaller

        Translation: I got nothin’.

      • Dave Girvin

        You should think before you open your mouth, what did I spell opp’s wrong?

      • strayaway

        “One cannot be a tyrannical socialist as they are polar opposites of one another.”

        Unless I am misreading that sentence, it is saying that tyranny and socialism are polar opposites of each other. Yet the Nazis were “national socialists” and the USSR was the “Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic”. There are exceptions and those living under the exceptions, the USSR, China, Pol Pot, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. outnumber the Swedes more benevolent form of socialist expressions.

      • Beartx

        Dumbass. That’s why they named it that way. Would they have gotten further with National Fascist party? I think not. Do yourself and the world a favor and pick up a book.

      • strayaway

        The February 25th., 1920 25 point plan of the National Socialist German Workers Party and was written by the leader of that party: Adolf Hitler.

        “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions” -Adolph Hitler

        Those 25 points included –

        9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

        10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. The activities of the individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the general good.

        Therefore we demand:

        11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

        12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in life and property, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as a crime against the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits whether in assets or material.

        13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

        14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

        15. We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

        16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle-class, the immediate communalization of department stores which will be rented cheaply to small businessmen, and that preference shall be given to small businessmen for provision of supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

        17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

        See, Hitler was a socialist and I’m guessing that you would agree with some of those points. perhaps you should do a Google search before I pick up a book. Which book by the way? Maybe something by Marx?

      • Heidi Hanson

        And learn what Hitler did to those in the NSDAP who wanted to try to be socialists. Hitler took over the party that became the NSDAP when he first joined it as a paid SPY. He tolerated some of the original “Workers Party” people until he consolidated power and then he EXECUTED them. “Before 1934 some in the party did promote anti-capitalist and socialist ideas, such as profit-sharing, nationalization and old-age benefits, but these were merely tolerated by Hitler as he gathered support, dropped once he secured power and often later executed, such as Gregor Strasser.

      • strayaway

        Hitler kept government health care which dated back to Bismarck in Germany. He put a lot more people to work building those autobahns and car factories. He controlled war profits. Those aren’t illusions.He claimed to be a socialist and his party included “socialist” in its name. Maybe he isn’t your favorite socialist but he met the definition.

      • Heidi Hanson

        You really don’t have a clue. All Production was controlled by German industrialists. He provided them with FREE SLAVE LABOR for their factories and mines. The owners of the factories like Krupps and Farben made millions off of the free labor. Unfortunately they were also tried for crimes against humanity at Nuremberg

      • Heidi Hanson

        It this historic hour, we German Social Democrats pledge ourselves to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No Enabling Act can give you the power to destroy ideas which are eternal and indestructible … You can take our lives and our freedom, but you cannot take our honour. We are defenseless but not honourless.—Otto Wels, the final head of the pre-war German social democrats[1]
        For this argument to be even close to being solvent (fans of Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, we’re looking at you), good chunks of history need to be thrown out the window:
        That the 96-member Social Democratic Party of Germany was Hitler’s main opposition in the Reichstag, and the only political party that attempted to halt the laws that established him as dictator and brought down the Weimar Republic. In fact, all of the ideological predecessors of today’s conservative and classically liberal parties voted unanimously for the law, while the SPD voted unanimously against despite the presence of SA ‘guards’ in the building.[2][3]
        That the first political groups targeted during the Nazi ascendancy were pacifists, trade unions and communists;[4][5] and
        That the Strasserites, the only strand of Nazism that could be referred to as left-wing (ie. pro-working class in nature), were all killed off (with a handful of conservative dissidents) in what we all know as the Night of the Long Knives.[6] “

      • strayaway

        As mentioned before, socialists come in different stripes. Hitler decided to get rid of his competition.

        “We are socialists.” -Adolph Hitler

      • Heidi Hanson

        You do not understand what Hitler meant by that. It was his idea of Nationalism. He called it socialism, a term that some people could identify with but it was not what YOU think of or any modern American, when we think of Socialism. “On 16 November 1928, in his first speech at the Berlin Sportpalast, Hitler told a crowd of ten thousand plus that, “We have to strip the terms ‘Nationalism’ and ‘Socialism’ of their previous meaning. Only that man is a nationalist who stands by his people, and only that man is a socialist who stands up for the rights of his people both internally and externally.”

      • strayaway

        He called his movement socialist and according to your post, defined himself as standing up for the rights of his people. There is no inconsistency there. I’ll let him speak for himself instead of going into your brain to determine that what he said was the opposite of what he meant.

      • Heidi Hanson

        What the Germans meant by “Socialist” is NOT what Modern Americans think of as socialist. A better word for it would be FOLKISH. or in this country “Americanism” You do know that one of the reasons Hitler targeted the Jews was because Communism/Socialism was originally thought to be a Jewish Idea. Marx was Jewish.

      • strayaway

        Obviously what the Germans and Soviets meant by “Socialist” is NOT what you think of as socialist. I suppose Folkish means building autobahns to put people to work, giving workers cut rate vacations, hiring Ferdinand Porsche to design a “People’s Car” they could afford, planing the economy, providing educations and health care. Thats what you mean by ‘folkish ” right?

      • Casey Marion

        Did he say it in English, too?
        The word doesn’t translate perfectly from Deutsch to English.

      • strayaway

        Oh, that must be the problem. Since you are an expert on German, please present us with the original working in German if possible. Google translate equated “We are socialists” as “Wir sind Sozialisten”. I don’t speak German but after two years of high school German. “Wir sind” means “we are” and the structure is the same as English here subject/verb/ direct object. “Socialists” and Sozialisten” have so much in common, that its hard to imagine that they mean different things. Still, maybe you can did up the original wording, if different, to make your case.

      • Casey Marion

        Laughably pathetic.
        Google translate + HS German + Sorta Sounds Like = “hard to imagine they mean different things”

        Good god you’re clearly just a clueless troll.

      • strayaway

        You previously claimed that “The word doesn’t translate perfectly from Deutsch to English” without telling us the perfect translation. Here is your opportunity to spell out what you are talking about instead of making vacuous, breezy claims or insults . Do tell. What different things to the German and English words for “socialist” mean?

      • Heidi Hanson

        It was not, “a universal morality of pity but a master race” – in other words, Hitler did not see his socialism as Republicans today see socialism, but rather as a form of German Exceptionalism (the Nazis called it a “National Community”) which can be equated with the GOP’s version of American Exceptionalism.

        National socialism, Hitler said, “did not lie in socialism as a universal panacea nor was it a nationalist variant of that idea.” Republicans, of course, are fond of accusing socialism (and liberalism) as advocating a universal panacea. Indeed, it is all we are hearing leading up to Election Day 2012.

        “Rather,” wrote Friedrich, “it was a completely new political concept with a totality that could not be divided into separate components.”

        In other words, National Socialism had nothing to do with socialism then or now. Those elements of the party which clung to some hope that actual socialism would be a part of the Nazi platform (including especially Otto Strasser), were kicked out.

        Here is what happened with Strasser. As Friedrich explains, in May of 1930, after the leader meeting in Munich, Hitler visited Berlin and met with Strasser. Strasser wanted to know what Hitler would do with Krupp and the other big German corporations when he became dictator. “Would everything remain unchanged in terms of ownership, profits and management?”

        “But of course,” Hitler replied.”Do you think I’m mad enough to destroy the economy?” Hitler would intervene, he told Strasser, only when companies failed to act in the “national interest.””

      • strayaway

        I never claimed to know what unnamed Republicans mean. I just went to the dictionary for a definition of socialism. Hitler claimed to be socialist. His movement claimed to be socialist and developed a number of social programs and make work programs that, most people would say were socialist, rather say than something from Calvin Coolidge’s play book. Hitler was not as pure of a socialist than the Soviet Socialists but exceeded the socialist measures of modern Sweden.

      • Josh

        Are you really this dumb? If Hitler was anything, he was a master of manipulation. Clearly he fooled you too.

      • strayaway

        What politician is not a manipulator? Hitler put millions to work building roads, providing vacation opportunities for workers, medical care, providing for the poor, redistribution of income, hiring Ferdinand Porsche to design a ‘People’s Car’, organized youth activities, and planned his economy. National Socialists were not as socialistic as Soviet Socialists who owned more of the means of production but National Socialists were more socialistic than, for instance, Roosevelt or today’s Scandinavian governments.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Actually NO they were not more socialist that FDR or todays Scandinavians. HE OUTLAWED INDEPENDENT LABOR UNIONS. HE PROVIDED SLAVE LABOR FOR INDUSTRIALISTS. He allowed the owners who bankrolled him to literally work millions of people to death so they could make as much money as possible off of their dead bodies. He was the ULTIMATE Capitalist, as long as you were a German company.

      • strayaway

        Libertarians and liberals won’t acknowledge this but unions offer a private means of collectively allowing workers to hire accountants, attorneys, and media space to hold their own against the 1%. FDR had some favorite unions he worked with as well as his favorite industrialists. Hitler, did away with private unions and substituted state run labor organizations. That is more socialist than private non-government controlled unions. What happened to german industrialists who didn’t accede to Hitler’s wishes, hmm?

      • Heidi Hanson

        A LITTLE KNOWLEGE IS A DANGEROUS THING
        “Richard Evans, in his magisterial three volume history of Nazi Germany, is quite clear on whether Hitler was a socialist: “…it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism.” (The Coming of the Third Reich, Evans, p. 173). Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living ‘ room for Germans, and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’”

      • strayaway

        Extremist parties thrive on misery. Communists and national Socialists were competing for the same vote. Hitler was a thug as you suggest. He eliminated his opposition. Capitalists can be good or bad, Socialists can be good or bad. I think you are trying to disassociate yourself from Hitler because you don’t like his claims and socialist accomplishments. You should, instead, be against his evil. Putting people to work was a good thing even though he was generally an evil person. Even I don’t hold it against socialism that Hitler and Lenin did accomplish some beneficial things. I reject them for other reasons.

      • Heidi Hanson

        You really don’t have a clue Hitler or why I think the way I do. One thing may be because I studied 20th Century European history for decades (earned my BA in it) and half my family lived in Germany during the Hitler years and most of them still live in Germany. I can tell you I have a much better grasp of what Nazi Germany was all about than you ever will.

      • strayaway

        You should demand a refund from your college.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Read “Mein Kampf” That will explain more to you than I ever will. But then I guess you would argue with Hitler’s own words as well

      • strayaway

        I actually read it and the Communist Manifesto in 8th grade. My father had to sign something before the library would let me take them out. I thought the Mein Kampf was a turn off because of the anti-Semitism. Our family lawyer was Jewish. He had always been kind to our family going back to hiring my aunt during the depression so I thought that saying bad things against Jewish people was was repugnant.

        You are the one arguing with Hitler’s words. He said, “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler Speech of may 1, 1927

      • Heidi Hanson

        So you skipped all of the parts where he said he hated socialists and communists?

      • strayaway

        Even Marx had chapters dissing fabian and other types of Soviets socialists in his Communist Manifesto. Hitler saw Communists as competition and as being created by Jews.

        Again in his own words, “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler Speech of may 1, 1927

      • Virginia Liberal

        interesting history lesson. Didn’t know that.

      • Gary David Miller

        good point, but there was the Fascist Benito Mussolini and his Fascist Party in Italy that got elected…

      • Nevermore Raven

        Nazis were not socialist, they were nationalist.
        The Soviet Union was not socialist. It was communist.

        Learn the difference.

      • strayaway

        Nazis were both. Hitler involved himself with the car industry to make an affordable peoples’ car. He built 3,000 miles of autobahns to put people to work on a big infrastructure project. That lowered unemployment by a third. Also, should you make the effort to read, I posted a Hitler quote saying, “We are socialists” and listed some of his very socialist sounding points. He wasn’t a nice Swedish type socialist but he was a socialist.

        The Union of the Soviet SOCIALIST Republic was also socialist but was a communist variation. How on earth could you claim the USSR wasn’t socialist? It had government health care, government housing, government made cars, and would arrest people who went into business for themselves. It would have been a socialist paradise if anything worked.

        And lest you think I’m against any manifestation of socialism, I voted for my last two school millage referendums, support municipal services, oppose private toll roads, and supported Vermont’s aborted attempt to create its own affordable Canadian-like single payer heath care plan.

      • Heidi Hanson

        The CCCP (in Russian) was MARXIST and COMMUNIST. They were not socialist. Socialists allow private property, Communists do not. Communists take private land and the state owns in in COMMUNES and are known for land reform. I really wish people would read actual history and not the revisionist BS that the right wing tries to publish as true today.

      • strayaway

        I can’t believe it. Two people on this board are now claiming that the Union of the Soviet SOCIALIST Republic was not socialist. We have people on this board occasionally pointing out that public schools, roads, and police protection are socialist but you don’t think that a country providing free or subsidized health care and housing and education is socialist. The means of production were owned by the government there too. You must have a different definition of socialist than even the marxists who named their country. Maybe they were liars right?

      • Heidi Hanson

        The CCCP was COMMUNIST. Evidently you do not understand the difference in what WE call the CCCP and they called themselves. They were not ruled by the SOCIALIST party of Russia. They were ruled by the COMMUNIST party of Russia. Socialism and Communism is NOT the same thing. “The Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Russian: Коммунистическая партия Советского Союза, КПСС), abbreviated in English as CPSU,[note 1] was the founding and ruling political party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics”

      • strayaway

        CCCP
        abbreviation
        The definition of CCCP is as the abbreviation for the full name of the Soviet Union in Russian (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).

        -your dictionary DOT com

        CCCP
        Definitions
        Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
        -collins dictionary DOT com

      • Casey Marion

        Do you think their name was in English, too?

      • strayaway

        Obviously, in your opinion, we shouldn’t be dissuaded in our understanding of words by dictionaries should it interfere with Newspeak.

        How about this?

        “‘CCCP’ literally means ‘USSR,’ the former Union of Soviet Socialists Republic. In Russian, it’s called the Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik, or ‘SSSR.’
        Russia does not use the Roman alphabet, instead using the Cyrillic alphabet. In Cyrillic, the Russian name of the ‘SSSR’ is ‘Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик.’

        In Cyrillic, the Roman ‘S’ and ‘R’ are characterized as ‘C’ and ‘P,’ respectively. Thereby, ‘USSR’ means the same as ‘CCCP.'”
        -from short article titled, “the Meaning of CCCP”

        Run that through Google translate if you wish or listen to Heidi. She has two degrees.

      • Heidi Hanson

        If they do not allow private property, they are COMMUNIST.

        Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
        A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
        Abolition of all right of inheritance.
        Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
        Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
        Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
        Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
        Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
        Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
        Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production

      • Heidi Hanson

        The views of socialism and communism also differ in the distribution of wealth produced by the economy. Socialism supports the view that the goods and services produced should be dispensed based on the productivity of an individual. In contrast, communism believes that the wealth should be shared by the masses based on the needs of the individual.

        There are two kinds of properties in socialism: (1) personal property that an individual can own and enjoy; and (2) industrial property that is dedicated for the use of producing society’s goods. Individuals, for example, can keep their digital cameras but cannot retain a factory that produces digital cameras. While personal properties can be kept, socialists make sure, however, that no private property will be used as an instrument for oppression and exploitation. In comparison, communism treats all goods and services as public property to be used and enjoyed by the entire populace.

        Finally, socialism and communism differ in their views on capitalism. Socialists regard capitalism as a threat to equality and public interest. They believe, however, that there is no need to eliminate the capitalist class because it can be used as a good instrument in the transition to socialism as long as it is properly controlled. Socialists also believe that capitalism can exist in a socialist state and vice versa. From the point of view of the communists, capitalism must to be destroyed totally in order to give way to a classless society

      • strayaway

        I just Googled “Socialism – definition” and this is the first definition that turned up. I choose this definition over yours. Communist versions of socialism, by this definition are socialist. Unless you think communism was ever realized, the USSR was socialist. I think you are trying too hard to decontaminate your special definition of socialism. According to this definition, even regulating the means of production is ‘socialist”. I think some regulation is necessary by the way but don’t personally have a fetish about not recognizing the bad players and problems socialist solutions sometimes involve.

        so·cial·ism – a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

        synonyms:leftism, welfarism; More

        policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

        synonyms:leftism, welfarism; More

        (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

      • Heidi Hanson

        During the Russian Revolution and the takeover by Lenin ALL PRIVATE PROPERTY (namely land and factories) WAS CONFISCATED. That is the difference between a Socialist country Like Germany or Sweden that allows private ownership of factories and the CCCP which did NOT

      • strayaway

        Again, there is a spectrum of capitalism – socialism. There is another axis (not intended as a pun) of libertarianism – authoritarianism. Relative to the US, both National Socialists and Soviet Socialists were on the socialist end of that spectrum with Soviets being the more socialist. Relative to the US, both were at the authoritarian end of the other spectrum.

      • Heidi Hanson

        What is the matter, Cant your keyboard or mouth make the “C” sound. COMMUNIST COMMUNIST COMMUNIST. They do exist, They do exist. They do exist. You want to deny the existence of Communists by calling them socialists. Ok extreme to the most socialist equals COMMUNIST. The main difference is that the most extreme communsocialist does NOT ALLOW PRIVATE PROPERTY.

      • strayaway

        Communists are socialists. All governments deny private property in various degrees. If you are caught with pot, guns, or don’t pay your property taxes, you will be deprived of you property in most of this Country. Just because our government doesn’t ALLOW such PRIVATE PROPERTY doesn’t mean our government is communist. People in the Union of the Soviet SOCIALIST Republic were allowed to own cars, among other things, even though the country was COMMUNIST. So where did you come up with the definition of communism being “the most extreme communsocialist does NOT ALLOW PRIVATE PROPERTY?”

      • Terrie Hunt

        Not a dime difference between them since they all take away our freedoms and the “ruling class” lives way above the rest of the people.

      • Heidi Hanson

        “Socialism focuses on the shared ownership of economic production as the basis of an economic society. Socialism, it should be stressed, can coexist with private and personal property. Communism, on the other hand, as Marx wrote in The Communist Manifesto in 1848, “can be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.”

      • strayaway

        Pure Communism was the goal of Communists sort of like being raptured is the hope of some Christians or wherever Ayn Rands heroes went to in Atlas Shrugged. The Soviets never made it that far. They were mired in socialism gone bad. Socialism, in theory, would evolve into communism.

        Joke: Q. What’s the difference between Communists and Democrats? A. Communists know what they’re doing.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Oh good lord. You are an Randian. No wonder you are so confused.

      • strayaway

        You just failed reading comprehension. I didn’t say I was a Randian or a rapture Christian. You totally missed my point.

      • Josh

        Moron, just because they labeled themselves with the word “socialist” does not mean they hold onto, or subscribe to, true socialist ideals. The CCCP most certainly did not. Socialist governments act in the best interests of their constituents, and do not squander their money away on an overblown military. (By that definition the US cannot be considered socialist either.) It’s like when Velveeta calls itself cheese, or when Fox calls itself news. Just because they say it does not make it true.

      • strayaway

        Obviously you are more qualified to determine what people meant than the people and nations who made such claims. Perhaps that’s because you make up your own definitions. “Socialist governments act in the best interests of their constituents, and do not squander their money away on an overblown military.” Really? Find a dictionary that includes those definitions of socialist.

      • Heidi Hanson

        The “Socialist” party of Germany in the 1920s and 30s was the SPD. The German Socialist Party. Hitler OUTLAWED that party and all other political parties in 1933. The SPD was the only party to vote against The Enabling Act, which allowed Hitler to make himself a dictator and suspend elections. After the Enabling Act the rounded up the party leaders of the SPD and the KPD and executed them or put them in concentration Camps. Hitler HATED Socialists, and stamped them out whenever and where ever he could.

      • strayaway

        Still, Hitler himself claimed to be a socialist and the National Socialist party had a number of socialist policies. I wouldn’t argue that there may have been other socialist parties in Germany or that there are degrees of socialism. Soviet Communism, for instance owned the means of production while National Socialists just controlled industries and labor representation. After all, there is a Communist Party USA, Socialist Workers Party, and the less socialist Democratic Party in the US. Hitler hated Communists whom he viewed as rivals. In the 1928 election, Communists received four times as many votes as the National Socialists. Ironically, it is the Democratic Party which allows president Obama to issue edicts as if Congress had passed an enabling act or, at least, pretends there is a de facto enabling act. Here’s your chance to make a stand like the SDP did.

      • Virginia Liberal

        Socialism today has many different meanings. It’s all in how you look at it and who is defining it. Just my opinion.

      • Jim Valley

        You are acting out the stereotype of conservatives as empty-headed name callers. Braying about “tyrannical socialists” just makes you sound stupid.

      • Humma Kavula

        They would, if liberals actually fit that term you used. But, you see, they don’t.

        Because if liberals were “tyrannical” in any way, shape or form, you’d have “gone missing” in early 2009.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Boy isn’t that the truth. The fact that They can spew their moronic hate filled bile all the while putting people into office that block anything to help this nation (GOP blocked every single jobs bill) Is a testament to the fact that Obama and “liberals” are not the communist/Muslim dictators that Fox claims them to be.

      • CharlieAdamsInKY

        That’s the mistake SANE America made. We should have hanged the entire TeaPubliKKKlan TREASON Movement the minute they crawled out into the light of day. Failing to do that was a fatal error that is going to spell the end of the United States.

      • southside mike

        and if you live up north those socialist snow plows who are digging you out of your recent snow storms.

      • Jo Clark

        Then there’s that damned socialist stock market!

      • disqus_kOWCDWHSMo

        Those are Government contractors getting the money gleaned from us working folks. enjoy your ebt mike it allows you the time to make your ridiculous comments. at least it is fun to watch you make a complete fool of yourself. Keep up the go mike!

      • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

        Communist ??? for a Fascist to call one a communist is funny

      • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

        goes to show you dont even know what either is heheh

      • hecramsey2

        On the socialism birthed internet, a joint project between the military and public universities funded by federal govt.

      • Sadie Mae Mae

        I wish he would actually BE a tyrant for a week or so and get rid of all of you like Kim Jung Un (that’s a real tyrant)!

      • ravenshroud

        I don’t know how we are tyrannical, but otherwise “thank you”.

      • CharlieAdamsInKY

        Shove your “communist” bullshit up your ass, prick.

      • Jason

        Please describe this tyrannical socialism you are being subjected to.

      • regressive white trash reli

        what exactly are regressives ( conservatives) “conserving”??? based upon history; it certainly is NOT fiscal prudence or equality for all americans,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so: what is it>???

      • Daniel

        That just proves you don’t know what those words mean. Some of us are socialist to a point (about that of Iceland for me). I guess we know where you get your facts…. Please yell bengazi at least once when you call me a communist. It makes me laugh.

        Your idiot brethren represent a shrinking part of this country. You are losing power, and your opinion no longer controls debate. Something for which the majority of Americans will be thankful for.

      • David Horton

        Hello comrade….how are you?….posted any memes about black men killing cops today?…agreed with insane people like Ted Cruz on anything lately?….professed to ” have a black friend” …or maybe griped about Obama causing Ebola…or maybe about benghazi?…lol….now go get direct tv cuz you’ve got to have your “fAir and balanced” news…lol….das vadana..my special comrade teaperson…

      • Hylander6

        G.P. I see you don’t like Kool-Aide either. Just a bunch of machine minded omni-thongs marching along to the beat of the Obama drum.

      • Guest

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      • adcbeast

        @gray_panther:disqus .. You better get back to the Fox News Plantation before they report you as a runaway slave

    • regbs

      You seem to have missed the memo that German Fascists like Goebbels were Socialists, as all totalitarians must be. A subtle hint is the S in nSdap. The right/Conservative in America means the Founding Fathers who drafted a Constitution designed to prevent the totalitarianism necessary for Fascism and other autocracy, hence the totalitarian Left’s fear and disdain for the Constitution. Then again, if the credibility of my model crumbled with the Berlin Wall, reality wouldn’t be my friend either. North Korea’s where the Left’s ideology leads: imposed equality and social justice.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Ever Read Mein Kampf? Hitler hated socialists. He outlawed the socialist party. He outlawed trade unions. Ever heard of Pastor Neimuller?

        “Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

        First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Socialist.

        Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

        Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
        Because I was not a Jew.

        Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

      • Heidi Hanson

        Germans in the 1930s were NOT into social equality. I guess you never heard of the Junkers?

      • Jason

        Fascism has nothing to do with socialism. Correlation is not causation.

        The founding fathers did indeed seek to prevent tyranny. The hallmarks of fascism include radical nationalism, religious indoctrination to the point of exclusion, and the desire to “2nd amendment” undesirables. All things prevented by the constitution, a thing I put my life on the line for, unlike most of you armchair patriots seeking to undermine it.

        The rest is hyperbolic trash worth only this footnote.

    • madshark

      Facism is far closer to the democrat view. Remember the Nazis are the National SOCIALIST Party. Government control of the means of production, and all that.

      I love it when you stupid libtards start making comparisons you know nothing about. You are such funny little idiots.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Now you really showed your ignorance.

      • Jason

        Correlation is not causation, ergo socialism is not fascism.

        You assumed I want socialism.

        The opposite of liberal is fascist.

      • madshark

        Actually socialism and fascism are very closely related, requiring government control of society, and business. You need to study more little feller.

      • Jason

        Fascism is not an economic model. Russia is a capitalist fascist state that is even democratic to a degree.

        Any other uninformed regurgitations you want to throw out, big guy?

      • madshark

        Fascism has, at its core, an economic model. Absolute State control of the means of production. You might want to educate yourself, before you continue to make yourself look stupid.

      • Jason

        Correlation is not causation.

        The only core contingencies of fascism are blind nationalism and an unhealthy love of guns, the military, and war.

        Fascism is a reflection of the will of the people, not of government, and economic policies of fascist nations have but one common focus: guns and bombs with which to kill those who disagree.

        Let me know when you’re done peacocking your rudimentary education.

      • madshark

        Once again you prove your stupidity. Fascism has at its core the government control of the means of production. National Socialists. Fascism is Socialism with a racist/nationalist overtone. If you are too invested in your leftist ideology to recognize those truths, you really are delusional.

      • madshark

        Only the facts and truth you have already chosen to ignore.

      • Jason

        Isn’t it fun that fascists oppose liberalism, and so do you?

      • madshark

        liberalism/communism/fascism/progressivism are all different sides to the same coin. State control of the people and the means of production. They are all slightly nuanced versions of the same ideology. The different ideologies dislike each other simply because they have different ideas on how to achieve the same result. That desired result being State control of the means of production and absolute control over every aspect of the citizens lives. Now, say something else which will prove you know nothing of the subject.

      • Jason

        In no world is liberalism concerned with government control of means of production.

        In no world do fascists care whether it is government or the people, so long as it promotes ultranationalist, xenophobia, and military prowess.

        Liberalism is concerned with freedom, equality of opportunity, and individuality. Anyone arguing otherwise is misinformed or lying to you in an attempt to subvert your freedom.

        The opposite of liberal is fascist in nearly every way.

        What are you? Liberal, or fascist?

      • madshark

        Jason, you have a wonderful ability to throw many words on a page, which mean absolutely nothing. You are a prime example that education does not equal intellect. While you may spell and punctuate well, you lack critical thinking ability. In every world does Socialism mean absolute State control of the means of production, while allowing private “ownership”. In that, it is identical to Fascism. Liberalism is concerned with total and absolute control of the people in every aspect of their lives. Government dictated healthcare. Government controlled education (indoctrination). Government control of what you buy, eat, drink, drive. Where you may live. How much you can earn. Just think of any aspect of your life and liberals either have total control of it, or are trying to get control of it. If you think liberalism encourages freedom, you are one stupid motherf ucker.

      • Jason

        Until you stop basically being full of shit on what liberalism is, we can go no further.

        The opposite of liberal is fascist. I’ll let you decide which you are.

        For the record: you don’t get to redefine liberal to fit your narrative. Of course that’s what fascists typically do: redefine terms to demonize target groups that represent opposition to the radical nationalist agenda.

        So if you’re not a liberal, and thus in favor of freedom and the moral imperative, what are you?

      • madshark

        Thank you again, Jason. For demonstrating that you do not have any idea what you are talking about. I will try one more time to educate you. Socialists are liberals. Not even someone as stupid as you would argue that. Fascism always springs from socialism. Fascism is therefore a leftist idea. Thus, Fascism is on the liberal end of the political spectrum.

        Here are a couple of discussions which may help you. Go find an adult to explain the big words to you.

        http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/

        http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-fascism-left-wing-yes-or-right-wing-no

      • Jason

        For someone who decries ad hominem, you, sir, are steeped in it.

        Linking me fallacious arguments from your echo chamber doesn’t make you any more correct than you were before this latest volley. They simply illustrate that you are happy to live in a world where your hatred and anger perpetuate your twisted world perspective, and anything opposing is worthy only of your contempt.

        To put it simply: In no serious circles of intellectual thought does anyone consider fascism itself anything but rightist, due to the uber-nationalism, the radical zeal to keep things exactly as they are, the militaristic focus, and the desire to punish all opposing thought.

      • madshark

        The opposite of liberal is conservative. The opposite of freedom and conservatism is fascism and liberalism. I have redefined nothing. You need to grow up and learn a few things.

      • Jason

        I’m not sure what books you have read, but only among anti-intellectuals is what you say “true.” In reality, the founding fathers crafted a free nation on principles of liberalism, and recently, you disciples of McCarthy have twisted failed attempts at socialism with it.

        Badgering people and repeating the same lie over and over will never make what you say true, Mr. Goebbels, however many you may dupe into believing it.

      • madshark

        You are absolutely correct. I am not a liberal, but rather I am in favor of freedom. I am a Constitutional Conservative.

      • madshark

        I am a Constitutional Conservative. The US Constitution, as it was written, is the greatest, divinely inspired, system of governance in the history of earth. If we went back and followed it’s Judeo-Christian values, our Republic would once again rise as it did for the first 140 or so years. This Republic caused more advancement to the human condition in its first 200 years than in the previous 5,000. However, since you Progressive/liberal/Socialists/Communists/Fascists on the left have had your way, we are watching the decline of humanity.

      • Jason

        Ok. Have a great time with your dissonant life. 🙂

      • madshark

        Actually, that is exactly what liberalism does. Through onerous regulation like the EPA, FCC, etc.

      • Jason

        the EPA, FCC, and other regulatory agencies are all products of conservative policy. FCC = religious conservatives, EPA = environmental conservatives.

        Do these agencies at times over-reach? Sure. That is exclusive to neither radicals nor conservatives, liberals nor non-liberals. Liberals are not telling you not to swear. They’re asking you not to around their kids. Conservatives are not telling you not to frack. They’re saying “Hey, be careful you don’t wreck the place in the process.”

        It’s a very simple thing that people like you like to muddy by mixing the terms and demonizing an opposing ideal for the sake of your fascist agenda.

      • madshark

        You are really an ignorant individual, aren’t you? Richard Nixon (a leftist Republican) created the EPA. Franklin Roosevelt (who single-handedly extended the Depression by several years through his leftist policies) created the FCC. Which of these Progressives are you calling Conservative.

      • Jason

        Liberals are concerned also with intellectual honesty. You clearly are incapable of such.

      • madshark

        Really. Like, “If you like you health insurance policy, you can keep your health insurance policy.” (Obama). Or, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” (Obama). Or, “There was not one smidgeon of corruption at the IRS.” (Obama). OR, “It was a spontaneous protest, in response to an internet video.” (Obama, Clinton, Rice, et al) Or, “We have to pass the bill to find out what is in the bill.” (Pelosi). People with the intellect to understand the truth will know I just destroyed your last statement. You will not get it, because you are an idiot. I am using the clinical definition, at this point.
        Jason, you are completely out of touch with reality. As you are completely incapable of intellectual honesty, and you are a pathological liar. I am done with this discussion. You will respond with easily disproven lie. I will not waste the effort, responding. I have proven every statement you have made to be false. Yu do not have the intellect to understand the truth. You will reply with some inane drivel. As I am the better man, I will ignore you, from this point forward.

      • madshark

        The only reason Fascists oppose liberalism is methodology. Ideologically, they are essentially identical, with Fascism representing more of a racist or nationalist view. Liberals still want total State control of the means of production and the lives of all citizens. And in that they are identical to Fascists.

      • madshark

        Isn’t it fun that every fascist began as a liberal/socialist.

      • Jason

        Where you start has little to nothing to do with where you end. Consider that our founding fathers were themselves liberals, and self-proclaimed as such.

    • Patti_Mi

      Wow! What ignorance! Fox news is one of only a few real news programs. MSNBC is the absolute worst.

    • JCJ Bike

      They are not fascists… a fascist would be someone who jams down their view on unwilling people. (like an executive order to look the other way on illegal aliens or a health care plan a majority of Americans didn’t and still don’t want)
      Please use words correctly.

    • hwy505

      Wow – you really are a loser.

    • frank96740

      Were you BORN an idiot or have you just had your head in the sand most of your life?

      • Jason

        I’ll take option c)

        I’m smarter, faster, and stronger than you, more well-informed, have better employment, and I fire any weapon more accurately. Oh, and have a bigger dick.

        Good enough? Go back to your trailer, troll.

      • frank96740

        THANKS for proving my point, YOU are a JACKA$$ first class and I’m betting I beat you on all counts AND I have a BRAIN!! Something you lack for sure! Where would you like me to sent the tweezers & magnifying glass for your wiener – dude.

      • Jason

        Bee-do

  • mark

    This article is hilarious opinionated horseshit ! One channel thats doesn’t kiss Obama’s ass and you lefties cant stand it what a joke !

    • Michael Keville

      Dream on Moron

    • Vetguy1234

      I agree that this article was a stretch…but that does not change the fact that Fox News is the home of the most slanted ideology driven propaganda pushing organization pretending to be a news outlet…in fact they are downright dangerous and probably one of the most under appreciated dangers to our country..and every time they are caught lying (which is hourly) their viewers are like the nuts who follow a cult saying next Tuesday the world will end…and when it doesn’t over and over again the cult followers are never convinced that their leader is a fake…or maybe you live in an alternative universe where WMDs were found in Iraq ..and benghazi was an actual scandal…and Romney was actually ahead in the polls..or ebola and ISIS actually killed half of the population in our country …and that despite an amazing recovery after Bush destroyed our nation obama is actually a reptilean shape shifting Kenyan born anti colonist Muslim Marxist socialist that would raise gas prices to 10 dollars a gallon and suspend the constitution and place us in FEMA camps…wait…that’s Beck ..or maybe WND or Newsmax…sorry it is so hard to keep all the right wing crazie news sites straight…

      • Johnny C

        Bravo sir

      • CONSERVATIVE

        I say to all of you who keep talking to each other rather than doing the research… This administration is counting on people like you,, to believe what they say without the research…

      • TMBatKK

        Yawn. Because your “research” is so…. predictable, I will leave it at that, buttercup.

      • CONSERVATIVE

        And as PREDICTED, by this administration, YOU will keep following them blindly. What an intelligent move.

      • rowdy13

        What is it that you are researching that gives you this sense of righteousness? What things are we “blindly” following? Please be specific, enough of these vague demands for others to research things, you have no idea what any of the people commenting know or how they came to their positions yet you insist they do more… please explain why you are an authority on this administration or the actions and motivations of “the People” more than any other of these anonymous posters.

      • rowdy13

        I’m waiting… You’ve made some bold assertions, time to back em up. Unless you are just as full of shit as fox news.

      • notadailycaller

        Excuse me, please don’t taint real news…its Fox Entertainment.

      • Adam

        Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch have not sent him his next talking points yet

      • Shayne Kempton

        Shouldn’t you be out torturing people in your search for WMDs? You like to toss around names and unfounded platitudes but you have nothing substantial to offer. Perhaps you should come back when you’ve grown up.

      • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

        That’s strange because almost ALL of the right wing republicans that I know would vote for a tomato if it were a republican!! They don’t care WHO it is as long as it is a republican!! I would say that that is more “blindly” following than any democrat that I know. Most of them do the research and do NOT blindly follow anyone unless they know the facts about them. My republican friends simply repeat everything they hear from tv and their republican friends and will make no attempt to see if it is the truth or not.

      • Dave Girvin

        And Fox News, who doesn’t do research, is counting on people like you.

      • notadailycaller

        As if conservative believe in things like research, science, and facts.

      • Noble

        Guess you haven’t watched MSNBC….

      • Humma Kavula

        Whoa, you slew him with that one!

        What’s next, barbs about Sharpton or Ayers?

      • 1739camilli

        MSNBC does manage to deliver actual FACTS most of the time. They also deliver these facts without the aid of blonde airheads showing their body parts.

      • strayaway

        As someone who seldom watches television including Fox News, I’m continually amazed at how much knowledge liberals have, or claim to have, about what goes on on Fox News. Maybe if liberals didn’t watch so much Fox News, Fox News ratings would go down and you would be happier people. MSNBC could sure use some help. Watch that. Force yourself.

      • Terrie Hunt

        The truth has never been a threat to anyone except those who want to cover it up.

    • Paul H

      I’m so, so sorry that you feel that way. If it makes you feel any better, as a “lefty” I agree that this is opinionated, but really only as opinionated, and vacuous I might add, as Fox News itself. Why is it that in order to “not kiss Obama’s ass,” so-called journalists have to be rabidly critical and push an anti-government agenda, but only when a Democrate is in office? Where were they during any Republican shenanigans, I ask you? Where the bloody Christfuck were they, Mark?

    • Ronnie Crawford

      Hell we are not asking them to kiss Obama’s ass,we are just asking them to be factual.I know bullshit sells and they have a lock on that. Politifact found that Fox lies or states misinformation 50% of the time,easy to check out,but it may kill your long held illusions.

    • rowdy13

      You’re right, they don’t kiss the president’s ass, what they do is misinform their viewers. Fox is consistently responsible for the most misinformed group of voters and you can google that. Fox news viewers are the most misinformed and their demographic is the super-old-but-determined-to-vote…

      They exist just to squeeze the last little bit of patriotic toothpaste out of these old baby boomin racists with fear of the black folk and attacks on christianity and “look out! Oboogeyman is comin fer yur guns!!”. They promote countrywide division and act as a lightning rod for republican nonsense.

      Pretty much the only reason fox is still a thing is to make damn sure people like the koch brothers have a mouthpiece on national television. “fracking is good” “democrats bad” “the president is foreign and scary” “Americans are the toughest” “global warming is bullshit, just ask our friends in the oil business” “we heart the troops because they give us a reason to pump trillions of tax dollars into the military industrial complex which pads the pockets of our corporate overlords… I mean, WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA “fair and balanced” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

      • CONSERVATIVE

        Democrats are NOT bad. Uneducated democrats are bad for this country. For that matter, Conservatives who pat each others backs are bad for this coountry. I dont like war. I have to face reality,,, which is, “Because America is a land of opportunity. What do you really know about the Koch Brother’s? Are you just repeating what your group tells you or have you taken the time to do the research on your own? I’m telling you,,, you are like many of my friends and family. AND I SAY THIS WITH MUCH LOVE,,, stop fighting for the mere reason to fight the Big Bully Republican. Team up with The People.. AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU,,, THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT “THE PEOPLE”.

      • Heidi Hanson

        You do know that it was George Bush who created ISIS when he invaded Iraq. Other countries don’t want to attack us, they react to when we invade them and kill hundreds of thousands of their countrymen for no reason except that the Multinationals wanted legal contracts to sell Iraqi oil to China. Oh and the Koch Brothers, read their 1980 platform. That will tell you all you need to know about the Kochs. Basically they want unfettered access to plunder all of the USA and turn this country into their feudal empire.

      • CONSERVATIVE

        I am not defending George Bush. As I stated earlier, there are flaws on both sides. Feudal Empire, if you look it up, means “a dominant social system”. You do know that Obama has declared this on America?! Oh and Koch Brothers are about capitalism and helping the economy. By the way, if it had not been for big business (which paid for my education when I was a single mother), I would not be as successful as I am today.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Here is what the Koch Brothers want. I hope you were not planning on ever being able to retire. They would eliminate Social Security and Medicare. They are also against public schools and public Universities. so there would NOT be anymore funding for anyone’s education.

        “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”

        “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

        “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”

        “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”

        “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”

        “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”

        “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”

        “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”

        “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”

        “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”

        “We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”

        “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”

        “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”

        “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”

        “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”

        “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”

        “We demand the return of America’s railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”

        “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called “self-protection” equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”

        “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”

        “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”

        “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”

        “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”

        “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”

        “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”

        “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”

        “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

      • CONSERVATIVE

        I am 55 and retired. Sorry — All because the big company I worked hard for paid for my education and paid me for my hard work.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Well you better not plan on having Medicare so you must have at least 10 million in the bank in case you get sick. Social Security will be eliminated as well. You really don’t think it will last when they allow everyone to not pay into it. Once they change the laws and privatize it I give it three years. YOU may have several million in the bank but there will be millions around you who will die in poverty. I guess living in a third world country where 99% of the population is starving and dying in the streets is OK with you. I am 59 and have been retired for 3 years now. Fortunately I survived the BUSH Depression and Obama has improved the economy well enough for me to stay retired. But since the GOP won the senate, I will be selling out and going to cash because anytime they get control they destroy the US economy and the rest of the world while they are at it.

      • WizardofWords

        Obama improved the economy??? The debt he created has multiplied four-fold.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Obama has added Less to the national debt than any other president as a percentage of GDP except for Clinton. The last Bush budget was 2009 with a 1.4 trillion deficit. This year the deficit will be less than 500B. And MOST of that is from BUSH era programs that were not funded and the continuing costs of the worst foreign policy blunder in the History of the USA which was when Bush Invaded IRAQ so the Oil multinationals could sell the Iraqi fields to China, ExxonMobil inked a deal for 50 billion to do that last year.

      • Beartx

        Pity they wasted their money on your education.

      • Chinchong

        Lol this is why liberal are libtarts. If we’re nice to them maybe they’ll like us. Lol. It’s our way of life they hate you idiot. Go back to you msnbc. If Fox News is broadcasting nothing but nonesence I would let them just run with it and self distruct. However they always expose your liberal lunassy that why the left despises them. Fox News isn’t going anywhere which will keep libtarts forever bitter. Go fox

      • rowdy13

        That was a more elucidating commentary on you and your party than you even realize, champ. lol

        Stunning representation of your party, sport, hahahahahaha.

      • Heidi Hanson

        I think you meant lunacy, not lunassy. LOL you really think it is our way of life they hate. No. not unless you call our way of life invading their country and killing close to a million of them and blowing up all their homes. yeah if that is what you mean by “our way of life” you might be right since we did it for years in Vietnam and many other countries since then before we destroyed Iraq. It may very well be “our way of life” since the GOP did say they wanted perpetual war in their policy paper “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” in 2000.

      • Stanley Bucasas

        How far back in history do you want to go to find out “who’s fault” it is. You’re just another liberal hack crying about emotions and hurt feelings. White guilt? maybe there’s a little of that, probably more of a case of American guilt. We did nothing wrong. These wars existed long before us, and will continue long after us.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Invading a country who had done NOTHING to us and killing a million of them (pretty recently too seeing as how we still have soldiers there) is fine with you. Killing and torturing INNOCENT people is fine with you. It has nothing to do with “White Guilt” unless you are feeling guilty. I never voted for a Republican and was very loud against Invading Iraq. The USA did not invade Iraq long before me. In fact even when Saddam invaded Kuwait I remember GHWB sending April Glaspie to tell him that it didn’t matter to us, as it was not our business. Guess that was a lie. We have become a nation of Liars.

      • 1739camilli

        I judge from your misspellings, that you’re the typical uneducated “fox news” watcher. Sorry, I can’t LOL at your stupidity.

      • tmack77

        What’s lunassy, checked my dictionary and didn’t see it there

      • Casey Marion

        EPIC: “If Fox News is broadcasting nothing but nonesence I would let them just run with it and self distruct. However they always expose your liberal lunassy…” <— Priceless!
        "Libtarts forever!"

      • WizardofWords

        ISIS was born when we left Iraq, moron.

      • Heidi Hanson

        ISIS was formed from AlQuaeda in Iraq. Yes they became more organized after the civil war in Syria began. Don’t you remember seeing Senator McCain in photos with those who were later shown to be the leaders of ISIS. ”

        “Other sources, however, suggest Baghdadi, also known by another pseudonym, Abu Duaa, was a radical jihadist involved in torture, kidnapping, and murder before being detained by U.S.-led coalition forces. “Abu Duaa was connected to the intimidation, torture and murder of local civilians in Qaim,” states a 2005 Pentagon document cited in numerous media reports, with Baghdadi being identified as al-Qaeda’s “point man” in the town of Qaim. “He would kidnap individuals or entire families, accuse them, pronounce sentence and then publicly execute them.” Baghdadi was supposedly released from Camp Bucca in 2009.

        According to the British state-funded BBC, meanwhile, Baghdadi also appears to have been a jihadist prior to his capture. The man and his associates reportedly created a Sunni militant group dubbed Jamaat Jaysh Ahl al-Sunnah wa-l-Jamaah (JJASJ, or the Army of the Sunni People Group) following the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Baghdadi, who reportedly has a background in Islamic theology, served as chief of the “sharia committee” for the outfit. However, without citing sources, the BBC also reported that he was detained in February of 2004 and released in December of that year as somebody who allegedly did not represent a high-level threat.

        Whether Baghdadi was actually released from Camp Bucca in 2004 or 2009 remains unclear. Conflicting establishment media reports and supposed U.S. government sources alternatively report both possibilities as fact. The original source of the claim that Baghdadi and his co-conspirators were in Bucca plotting until 2009 appears to have been an interview with the former commander of the prison, Colonel Kenneth King, who said he remembered Baghdadi. “He was a bad dude, but he wasn’t the worst of the worst,” King told the Daily Beast.

      • kacky

        Isis wouldn’t give two shits about us if we’d stop trying to capture the Middle East for Big Oil.

      • CONSERVATIVE

        Again, this remark, shows you are listening to your group. Whether it be your friends, family, or your chosen environment (media). ISIS does not care one bit about the oil. ISIS agenda, as stated in their own words, “Behead all infidels, starting with their leaders”. They want to spread the Caliphate through out the world. Think about this,,,, why are they after Britain? ISIS has never mentioned oil. Never

      • Heidi Hanson

        Oil in Kurdistan is how ISIS is financing its military operations. Are you an Idiot or do you not read or listen to ANYTHING except Fox news? Just how ill informed are you? “ISIS has been described as the world’s “richest terrorist group,” largely thanks to the oil fields it controls in Iraq and Syria. The militants likely generate more than $1 million in sales each day, and much of that oil is pumped in eastern Syria with the tacit approval of the group’s ostensible enemy: the Assad regime.”

      • CONSERVATIVE

        By the way, they are selling someone else’s oil. They invaded! I listen to ALL news. Most importantly after I listen, I do the research. Did you know, five days ago, the biggest Palastinian News Paper had on their headlines,,, “Obama is a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood”. Who disclosed this… A Muslim Brother who is upset because our president let him get imprisoned!!!! I did not hear that on FOX NEWS. Unfortunately, I still have DISH. As I stated. I dont follow anyone. I look it up for myself. OBAMA AND HIS CRONIES CANNOT COUNT ON ME! I AM NOT STUPID 🙂

      • Heidi Hanson

        Evidently you are stupid, You cant tell the difference between a reputable news source or some right wing propaganda. YOU are a very good example of just how stupid Fox viewers are. LOL geeze if Obama is such a Muslim why is he droning Muslims all over the middle east? YOU are an idiot. Have you ever heard of confirmation bias? When you google it a picture of you pops up.

      • rowdy13

        Also, generally as a rule of thumb, if a person has to insist to others that they are “not stupid” it is usually indicative of the opposite being true.

      • Heidi Hanson

        ISIS didn’t Invade anything. They are the remains of the Al Quaeda in Iraq that WE trained and equipped to put down the opposition during the Surge in Iraq in 2006/7. Good Grief, don’t you know anything. The are mainly Syrians, Iraqis, and other Muslims from the middle east with a few hundred westerners who have been recruited from Europe and the USA.

      • Heidi Hanson

        The western Multinationals have LEGAL contracts with the Iraqi Government to develop the Iraqi oil fields. They are called PSA contracts. You really do not know anything about the way the oil industry works. Don’t make shit up if you don’t know. And YOU are stupid if you think Obama or anyone else in the US government is a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

      • strayaway

        IS uses a lot of US weapons. Obama gave weapons to moderate jihadists. Its leadership escaped into Turkey at one point leaving its weapons behind for IS. More recently, $500M was approved by Congress and approved by Obama for more weapons for “moderate” anti Syrian factions. Some of those weapons have also wound up in the hands of IS. IS is said to have TOW missiles and at least 200 surface to air missiles. Imagine the fun they could have with them at the end of US commercial airport runways. Assad is our #1 ally against IS and Obama is trying to bring down Assad. Go figure. He’ll probably screw up Syria like he did Libya. Thousands of Syrian refugees are already scheduled to be brought to the US.

      • Heidi Hanson

        That ISIS has gotten US weapons is not disputable, that much is true. I think it was more than just Obama who wanted to arm ISIS against Assad. I remember seeing photos of McCain with the leaders of ISIS. Poor intel is actually the problem Seems the Journalists have discovered who these people are a little better than our own intelligence agencies. There does seem to be an alliance with the USA and the Saudis VS Russia and Assad. This is what this oil price manipulation is all about. They are starving ISIS and Russia and Iran by dropping the price of Oil. Believe me the demand for Oil has not gone down by 50%. The Saudis, Israel and the USA all have the same political objective. Hopefully it is not the fuse in the barrel of gunpowder.

      • strayaway

        McCain is a bigger jerk than Obama. Although I voted third party, if someone had put a gun to my head and forced me to vote for Obama or McCain, I would have voted for Obama.

        Fracking is making oil more plentiful. Other countries will adopt the technology. I agree that it tightens the screws on Iran, Venezuela, and Russia. it will also squeeze some smaller independent drillers out of business. This will allow the big players like Exxon to gobble their assets up for pennies on the dollar. Venezuela is Cuba’s biggest trading partner so it might have forced Cuba to be more agreeable too.

        On May 27, the head of the US Chamber of Commerce visited Cuba. That probably plays into the mix too. The US Chamber of Commerce possibly got the ball rolling with Cuba. Whether it saw the handwriting on the wall about Venezuela’s demise or actually had a hand in it is unknown. Shadow government is an interesting concept.

        I remember Kip M. Siegel speaking to the Senate about how his fusion technology would make Arabs poor. He died giving that speech and the government stole his patents. But he was right about what the threat that technology poses to oil kingdoms.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Yes it is no coincidence that we normalize relations with Cuba once Venezuela can no longer provide the Island with free to 10 cent a gallon Fuel. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that very few realize. Just like the GOP neo cons had planned to invade Iraq as long ago as 1992. google “A clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” and that Wolfowitz had his battle plans drawn up in 1992. Or this “A Western and Israeli Balance of Power Strategy for the Levant —Wurmser
        A second report from IASPS, December, 1996.

      • strayaway

        Or look up who voted to give their Congressional power to President Bush allowing him to decide whether to attack Iraq. Why Hillary and Kerry are on the list! I’m for putting Bush in prison for fraud and kicking every enabling politician who let him attack Iraq out of politics.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Bush and Mostly CHENEY lied to congress and lied to Colin Powel.. They knew the intel on Iraq was bad, The German intelligence agency who had the Iraqi defector TOLD them not to run with what he said. Great book on that is “Curveball: Spies, Lies, and the Con Man Who caused a war”

      • strayaway

        Yes and some people like Dennis Kucinich said that from the start. Other idiots like McCain, Kerry, and Hillary believed or wanted to believe Bush and Cheney.

      • Heidi Hanson

        You do know that they have been fracking oil wells for over 50 years?

      • strayaway

        No I didn’t but in the last ten years or so fracking technology has been developed to the point of being prolific and making the US a top producer of gas and oil. Therein lies the significant difference.

      • rowdy13

        I used the Kock’s as an easily recognizable example of money in politics and the corruption inherent when that goes unchecked. You want me to team up with “The People” and insist that this administration is not “The People”, then who is? I really hope you don’t think people like the Koch’s are representative of the people.

      • kacky

        I wish I could say that they’re dying off, but unfortunately there is a whole new generation of un-informed haters coming up right behind them.

      • WizardofWords

        You obviously have not watched MSNBC lately. Talking about bias!!! Then again, it would appear that MSNBC is the only thing you are watching.

      • rowdy13

        I haven’t watched MSNBC in some time and don’t actually watch news on tv regularly, I read the news predominantly and multi-source as much as I can. Also, I never accused fox news of being biased, all news sources are biased to some degree, I accused them of being corporate puppets. They are shills for corporate elite and the 1% who benefit off this petty culture war nonsense that fox drums up professionally.

        Fox news wants to misinform voters, bury the lead, misdirect, stoke division and slander any of the perceived opponents of their real bosses, those who want the public distracted by nonsense while they quietly do their dirty deeds unhindered.

        Fox news is to real news what taco bell is to mexican food.

    • Brian

      Its not about Obama, its about the last 4 study groups from 4 different universities found that faux noise tells the truth only 18% of the time… This is just a fact, you can be an ignorant hillbilly and say its about Obama, and how faux noise is fair and balanced but that would make you just another sheep that I clearly uneducated, more than likely mooches off of the government, doesn’t work, never made it past 5th grade, placing you in either the deep south, or Midwest part of the united states, with kids you do not support, with extremely nasty racist views, and there is a 99% chance you are a welfare recipient and you are white with a Camaro up on cinderblocks in your front yard. This is just the facts. when a president has done as much as Obama has to fix the economy that republicans destroyed, when he created over 11 MILLION jobs for the middle class families who are still being targeted by republicans, when now over 12 MILLION Americans have affordable health care, when women have control of their own health , when the American auto industry is doing better now than the last 35 years, when the gas prices are down, our troops are home, our voting rights are still intact, education is a priority, and when republicans have done nothing for the middle class in this country for over 23 years. they have only waged war on women, minorities, jobs, our rights, freedoms, liberties, closed down the government and put another 800,000 Americans out of work, tried to turn Medicare in to a voucher program, tried to kill the A.C.A wasted over 16 TRILLION dollars with the bush tax cuts and killed the economy, and sent wall street in to a nose dive in to oblivion, and then bailed out wall street and flipped off main street while wasting more money of fake out rage , and trying to say Benghazi was Obamas fault but even after billions of dollars in investigations their is no illegal activity what so ever… republicans are clearly the most uneducated, most gullible brain dead, un worthy, lazy, toothless, classless, sheeple on the globe. nothing but ignorant, lazy, disgusting, racist, greedy, self loathing, hopelessly stupid , immoral, unethical, shit bags the world has ever known. and Mark you fit right in.. especially when all you can say to defend Faux noise is lefties, and its Obamas fault… no facts or actual thought went in to your simple minded argument. just more faux noise retarded ness from a moron who is so simple minded that he couldn’t name a single thing in the past 23 years that republicans have done for a single middle class person in this country…… stay classy Mark ya uneducated, toothless moron!!!!!!!

      • Heidi Hanson

        Best reply to a Fox Zombie I have read in weeks.

      • Monica Lovell

        Make that almost ever.

      • TMBatKK

        What is wrong with you???? Don’t confuse them with facts. They might fall into a blackhole!

        Wait…. please, continue confusing them with facts….

      • Hudson Valley RPA

        That. Was. Epic.

        I did my research and that is why I can no longer support ANY candidate with an (R)

        I’m working a 12 step program to make up for my former ways

      • Cuffmonotony

        I did my research and found out you were never a conservative.

      • Beartx

        Clearly you are not aware of the definition of “research”

      • notadailycaller

        Evolved, clever minds prefer progress to stagnation. I admit it. I too considered myself “one of those” but then I grew up.

      • strayaway

        2/3 of the jobs created since the bottom of the recession pay less then those lost in the recession. 3/4 of those “new” jobs went to foreign citizens both legal and other wise. The cost of this lame recovery includes $25,000 of additional federal debt plus interest for every man, woman, and child in the US. The bill is due and will be passed on to our children but not called child abuse. Half of the temporary Bush tax cuts were made permanent by Obama. Senator Obama left the campaign trail in 2008 to cheerlead for the Wall Street bailout. The 1% is gaining a larger share of the national wealth under Obama and at a faster rate than under Bush. Meanwhile, black wealth, income, and home ownership have declined, relative to that of whites, under Obama. The (un)ACA passed on the cost of any “affordable’ healthcare to taxpayers and other policy holders and for good measure made it impossible for Vermont and other states to have their own affordable single payer plan. The insurance companies love it though. Thank goodness Kate Fowler, former VP of Wellpoint, wrote it for them. Benghazi was just an expression of Obama’s unconstitutional war on Libya which had been a relatively prosperous Arab country and is now hosting IS training camps. Obama is trying to work the same magic on Syria. Obama rekindled the cold war by meddling in Ukraine. That is going to be a very expensive mistake. You forgot to mention how establishing three new free trade treaties,trying to fast track the TPP, allowing millions of illegal aliens to hold a wider variety of US jobs by edict, and attempting to double the number of legal aliens who will come here to replace US IT workers for lower wages will help US workers and its middle class. Thank goodness for the fracking technology you give Obama credit for that lowered energy prices. Al Gore still invented the internet though.

      • Heidi Hanson

        If the GOP had not blocked the “Bring Jobs Back Home Act” five times we would have had full employment over 3 years ago and a lot of higher paying jobs. Just like the right wingers to block any and all legislation to make life better for Americans and then blame Obama for it when it is CONGRESS who passes legislation and not the president. Oh and as a person who live in a Red state that refused to expand Medicaid, I have personal experience with what the “Republican” health care plan is which is to DIE QUICKLY. The ER does not do dialysis. My brother died from kidney failure because he could not get health insurance or Medicaid in Texas. Had he lived long enough he might have been able to at least move to a state with the ACA but unfortunately he died before 2010. The ACA has already saved countless American Lives, but usually older or sick people cant produce for the 1% so the Republicans would rather them DIE and not be a burden on the “Workers”.

      • strayaway

        Obama is a puppet for the 1% just as a lot of Republicans you rightly criticize as I already pointed out. Same wars, rich getting richer while working people struggle. The extra help for states that went along with the societally (un)ACA at the expense of those that didn’t was clever wasn’t it? There is plenty of borrowed federal money for other priorities.

        I doubt that the “Bring Jobs Back Home Act” would do much good as long as Obama and some Republicans are running around setting up free trade treaties, promoting the TPP, and giving work permits to illegal aliens to fill any jobs brought home.

      • Adam

        but how do yo really feel?

    • TMBatKK

      Awwww. Mark must have the Dish….

    • Kym Keown Arnold

      You really can’t believe all the crap they put out on fox can you ??

      • CONSERVATIVE

        Is this coming from someone who believes that this administration was being honest about Obamacare, Bengahazi and the IRS targeting the conservative groups? If so, not worth the discussion

      • 1739camilli

        After too many costly investigations, all three proven to be non-issues. You’re just a shill for Rep. Issa.

    • Dave Girvin

      Actually we’re laughing our asses off, joke’s on you, can’t watch your ridiculous soap anymore.

    • Adam

      rupert murdoch is not allowed anywhere near a news channel in his home country of Australia nor is he allowed to own one in NZ or anywhere in europe that should tell you something about how reliable the network is

  • Beau West

    And I thought they were a part of Comedy Central…….

    • Gene Lattanzi

      No, because Comedy Central actually has intelligent content.

  • Paul H

    I’m not really sure I’d call this “exposing them.” That’s like someone exposing cayenne peppers as spicy because people who like spicy food use them in their food. I mean, yeah, individual thinkers can tell.

  • Ronnie Crawford

    The Dish Network is not going to broadcast Fox News. How are Fox viewers ever going to find out what really happened in Benghazi?

    • Kelli Crackel

      Well, to answer your question, because for some reason i was born and raised in an area where the tea party and creationists are fairly plentiful. I’m a liberal but my family helped found the nearest small town, so I get away with it. However, back to your question: Fox veiwers (at least the fanatical ones around here) who also subscribe to Dish network are changing their service providers and urging everyone to do the same. I may have handled that situation less than diplomatically when I called out the people advocating boycotting Dish Network as dumbasses to their faces, but I wasn’t wrong.

    • It’s been taken care of: Obama kills Christmas in Benghazi.

      • Adam

        2 out of three falls in a hell in the cell match on the wwe network for only 9.99

    • I’m hoping your remark is made with tongue in cheek, Ronnie, because it made me laugh, since the whole Benghazi thing has been debunked.

      • Adam

        8 times now

      • Terrie Hunt

        That’s what happens when an administration inspects its own mistakes. You won’t find even a “smidgen” of accountability. Then why did 4 Americans die? Oh, yeah, I forgot, “What difference does it make?” We should all be satisfied with that answer. While we are at it, let’s let all the jihadis out of Gitmo! That sounds like a GREAT idea.

      • Adam

        actually it was a republican led string of panels that did not get te results that they wanted, so instead of just burying the report like they did with the 9/11 commision they went and redid the investigation 7 more time at taxpayer cost. they found no repeat no wrongdoing by the administration that they have been aching to bust. they found nothing time and time again, but that should not matter as it is only truth and fact. Yes 4 americans died and that is tragic, but you know who cut funding to the security and the communications to the Embassy in Benghazi give you a hint it was the only group that had the authority to cut funding …Congress led by specifically the house led by….oh yeah John Boehner republican.

      • Adam

        in other words the blood of those people is on the hands of the GOP

      • Adam

        you do realize that the republican committee on Benghazi found no wrong doing from the Administration right you do know that it was the reppublicans who investigated 8 times because the first 7 were not what they wanted to hear right you do know how foolish you sound parroting Rupert Murdoch right

      • Terrie Hunt

        Ok. Maybe I should have said, It is really difficult to investigate something like this when the administration lies and covers up so much that new evidence continues to surface, even after eight so-called investigations. We still don’t even know where President Obama was on the night of 9/11/12. The White House won’t release any photos from that night, even though it has been requested and the American people have the right to know where POTUS was at such a horrible time for our embassy in Benghazi. Then, of course, there were the lies about the attack and that dumb internet movie that we were told started the whole thing.

        Believe me, we are tired of the lies and coverups of this administration and you can believe that it is more sleazy than the Nixon administration by far.

        Just know this: Drip by drip, the truth will come out, and the truth is what this administration is the most afraid of.

      • Adam

        and you have proof about your allegations of cover ups and lies of course….like how i can say the records of voting members of congress was responsable for the security team of the embassy having their budget slashed

      • Terrie Hunt

        There is plenty of proof out there. All you have to do is read the accounts, you will see that every time there is an investigation, new evidence emerges. Budget cuts were not the cause of the lack of security at the consulate in Benghazi, that has been proven many times since liberals tried to shift the blame for the lack of security to congress. That budget was not tied to the cuts that congress had made.

        If the Obama administration is so innocent in all of this, then why did they lie to us for weeks about the stupid internet movie being the cause of the attack??They only changed their story when it became apparent people weren’t buying their B.S.

        Why don’t we know to this day where the president was when this attack was happening for 7 hours? What role did our commander in chief play in all of this? We have nothing but silence on that.

        Isn’t the commander in chief supposed to be there to handle situations such as this? The proverbial 3 am phone call?? His failure is astonishing and the American people deserve to know just what did happen that night.

        Obama is the one who owes the United States an explanation, which he will not do, and as long as new pieces of the puzzle keep emerging, we should keep investigating. After all, how many of the attackers have been arrested and tried for murdering our ambassador and 3 other Americans? Should we stop before they are all brought to justice?

        This attack at the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya cost 4 Americans their lives. They depended on the U.S. to protect them and Ambassador Stevens even asked in advance for more security, which was denied. Why were they allowed to die and not get any assistance from the nearby security team at the CIA compound?The only 2 men who came to their assistance were going against orders to continue to wait for the order to “go”, which never came. They died because backup was never sent.

        Why should we stop trying to find answers to the questions that remained unanswered about this attack? It is apparent that the Obama administration is anything but honest about what happened.

      • Adam

        so far all i am seeing from you is innuendo and heresay , the supposed new evidence that comes out has been nothing but irrelevant e-mails that actually proved the case for the defence a couple of times, was thrown out of the committee by republicans on said committee for being irrelevant and found to be fabricated twice i would suggest that you have some reading to do, but your blind hatred of Obama means you would not see the truth if it bit you on the nose

      • Terrie Hunt

        Think what you will, but the truth will come out. That is all I care about.

      • Adam

        8 investigations in all this time should be an indicator of how much the truth HAS come out

      • Terrie Hunt

        Then you tell me where the president was on the night of the attack and what he was doing, why there was never a “go” order given to send backup security from the nearby CIA, where the soldiers were on standby, and how many of the attackers have been caught and prosecuted for killing our ambassador and three other Americans? We are being stonewalled at every turn and each investigation shows gaps in what should be complete knowledge of this attack. The administration just wants to sweep it all under the rug, but there are still missing pieces.

      • Heidi Hanson

        You do know there were marines there that night but it was already too late. ” Later he had met eight U.S. Marines at Benghazi’s airport and accompanied them with a ragtag force of about 30 fighters to the so-called annex, the CIA compound, where an assortment of Americans—diplomats, guards, and intelligence officers—were waiting impatiently to be evacuated. He had been shot at and, he suspected, betrayed. He was in no mood for any more surprises.” …. “He was ordered to the Benghazi airport to pick up a group of about a dozen flying in from Tripoli and to accompany them to the Benghazi Medical Center. He wasn’t informed about their identities and only discovered they were Americans when he arrived at the airport with five white Toyota pickups and 20 men. Two large armored SUVs with darkened windows eventually pulled out from the runway and he was ordered by radio to follow. Behind him were two cars full of men from the Libyan Shield, a militia-based force that reports to Libya’s defense ministry. He noticed two Chevy cars also left the airport with them. He never found out who they were, and they worried him over the next few hours.

      • Adam

        where he was is irrelevant unless he was actually in Benghazi, you see there is this thing you might have heard of called global communications that can get ahold of people anywhere in the world. the “go” order was never recieved as there was a blackout in comms in the area according to the CIA however it was proved last year that it was transmitted and as of today 3 of the living ones were taken into custody, but even then there are people like you who want to waste the taxpayerr money to look under imaginary rocks as well as the very real ones that have been searched to find any and i mean ANY tiny insignifigent pissant thing that might even consider to look like a hard fact that will bring down either the man with the “terrorist sounding name” or the woman who thinks she can be president like her husband was all because these bobbleheaded Fox “News” personalities tell you there is something they are not telling us. here is a bit of advice turn off the television get off the computer and try thinking for yourself

      • Terrie Hunt

        Adam, we’ll have to agree to disagree about this. There are other reliable sources that I have researched.

  • adcbeast

    Fox News is a 2014 plantation ….

    • Phenoy

      Let me guess..they grow cotton?

      • adcbeast

        @Phenoy:disqus .. Slaves …

    • Terrie Hunt

      At least they give some information that other stations seem to miss for some reason.

      • adcbeast

        @terrie_hunt:disqus .. Yes .. Fox News provides LIES and FALSEHOODS that other stations miss

        Fox News tells the news accurately LESS than every other major news station

      • adcbeast

        Fox News tells the most falsehoods of any network ..

  • yayagoddess

    We must appease the Booboisie somehow. (look it up, it’s a real word).

  • CONSERVATIVE

    OK IDIOTS OR AS GRUBER (OBAMACARE’S ARCHITECT) DESCRIBED YOU, “S T U P I D”. If it wasnt for FOX News, more people would walk around just as stupid as YOU ARE. I cannot believe that we live TODAY, in a place where left winged idiots WANT SELF IMPOSED SENSORSHIP!!!! YOUR TYPE IS THE REASON HITLER EXISTED.

    • jasonsmartin

      Only a fool would say that.

      • CONSERVATIVE

        ok. so lets talk about that… What do you think about a president who makes up stories about a matter as serious as Benghazi and the killing of his ambassador? He had his own National Security Advisor, Susan Rice, telling everybody it was about a CARTOON!!! ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

      • jasonsmartin

        Are we talking about on this planet or the weird bizzaro world you live in?

      • CONSERVATIVE

        My point EXACTLY… YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE RESEARCH… Here is the sad truth… this administration is counting on people like you.. God help us!

      • CONSERVATIVE

        I bet you have not heard about Gruber, Obamacare’s architect. No long research needed. Just google him calling you stupid for believing what they told you about Obamacare. Yup, Left wing news wont report that by the way.

      • jasonsmartin

        I see that the rings are circling Uranus this morning.

      • The Reader

        You’re making the point on why Fox News is entertainment filled with misinformation (lies?) and drama having no measure of the truth. Get over Benghazi, Conservative. It was not the picture painted by Fox nor the one Fox continues to promote to assure its viewers that they alone have their best interests at heart. I’m not okay with that, but it’s a free country and gives you guys something to rant about.

      • Terrie Hunt

        It is entertaining to see the Libs get their butts whipped on Fox News! They can’t stand opposing viewpoints, even when there are real FACTs to back it up.

      • Terrie Hunt

        NOT a cartoon, but a poorly done movie. He was arrested for that. Can you believe it? Obama and his bunch have lied to us about just about everything. Is that filmmaker still in jail? Benghazi was Obama’s boondoggle and he should take the blame as commander in chief.

    • Heidi Hanson

      Stupid is one that does not know the difference between sensor and censor. No actually Hitler appealed to the right wing conservatives in Germany. He was a Fascist Authoritarian. But then you don’t know history either.

    • rowdy13

      Wow, mostly caps, AND Godwin’s law? A truly masterful performance of conservative satire…. Oh wait, you’re being serious… Well that’s funny for a whole new reason, hahahahahaha.

      • BigDoucheCuffook

        It could be worse. We could be unemployed and on food stamps, loser

      • rowdy13

        Time for a math lesson braniac… Obama won the presidency twice, so on 2 separate occasions over 50% of voters chose him (he’s one of six presidents to win the popular vote twice and the first president since Eisenhower to do so) and right now per the BLS our unemployment rate in the U.S. is at 5.9% and you can bet that not every unemployed person in America is a democrat. Also not all food stamp recipients are democrats.

        So just to clarify, over 50% (52.93% in ’08 and 51.06% in ’12) is greater than 5.9% meaning that your sweet little delusion about all us lib’rals being unemployed is just a fantasy. So, big swing and a miss Douche.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^this “winner^^^knows all about that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,as he is unemployed and still cannot garner the SNAP program
        =======================================
        he^^^ is so stupid he doesn’t realize tats its NOT “food stamps” anymore,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        HEY!!!! whats my name????
        awww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,U lied again?? like republican white trash always seem 2 do??
        awww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • BigDoucheCuffook

      These libtards are so FOOKIN stupid, it is hilarious. Watch out for chutney love and regressive the Shemale who both promote 9-11 as a great day because it exposed Bush. I told them that nothing could be further fro the truth. God bless!

      • regressive white trash reli

        9/11 exposed bush?
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        thank u for confirming this!!!
        GOD BLESS!

  • GScandlen

    Nonsense. I have Dish and have been forced to watch MSNBC and CNN for the past couple of weeks. I have never seen such one-sided drivel. The guests range al the way from Huff Post to Mother Jones. It is as “balanced” as Pravda in the Stalin years.

    • CONSERVATIVE

      I am with you.. I am going to give DISH a few more weeks then I gone!

    • Terrie Hunt

      Same here. I have never been so bored with the “news”.

  • Tony B

    Apparently, they didn’t like my comment with a link. The Blaze has been on dish network since September of 2012… I don’t see how it’s replacing Fox. You’ll have to do a Google search, which the writer of this article failed to take 10 seconds of time to do.

    • mrsaxde

      Tony is right. The writer of this story did sloppy work in that regard. I easily found the press release, from 2012.

      Another bit of sloppiness in this post I highlighted in my other comment: to attribute all of the 12% drop in Fox viewers to the Dish blackout doesn’t make sense. That assumes that almost everyone who subscribes to Dish watches Fox, which I highly doubt.

    • Heidi Hanson

      This software wont allow any links without moderation by the administrators.

  • mrsaxde

    I’m loving what’s going on between Dish and Fox, but there has to be something else that accounts for the drop in Fox viewership. This story says that Fox viewing is down by 12 percent, and that correlates with Dish having a 13 percent share of the pay tv market. But, doesn’t that make the incorrect assumption that something like 90 percent of Dish customers watch Fox News? I would venture that the number is more like maybe 25-30 percent, given that surveys say that 38 percent of Americans get their news from any cable news source. The Dish blackout certainly isn’t helping Fox, but it’s not what’s accounting for most of the drop in viewers.

    • Heidi Hanson

      Maybe the oldest 10% of their viewers finally croaked off.

      • Terrie Hunt

        You libs are so death-obsessed! Especially toward “Old White Folks”, wanting them to hurry and die off and all. Then again, you are OK with abortion. I guess you are all part of a hateful death cult. That would explain your support of Obamacare.

    • Casey Marion

      Younger demographics aren’t watching cable “news” shows. They don’t have cable as they can’t afford it in this new economy. Social media has replaced TV as a source.

  • rcerke79

    The Hilarious part is FOX is still kicking MSNBS’s tainted A$$.

    • Heidi Hanson

      Because Fox is Free and you pay for MSNBC

  • Robert Norwood

    Indeed. This article is propagandist bullshit. Mr. Writer. I DARE you to give us a NEWS story(not an opinion piece) broken by FOX news that turned out to not be true. FOX NEWS, even on its opinion shows has guests and speakers on both sides of an issue so the viewer gets to decide for himself. YOUR obvious bias is laughable.
    I Know. I know. I know. You will dismss my comments and those of a right wing extremist. I didmiss yours as from one of is challenged by critical thinking.
    There is a reason why much of FOXNEWS has more viewers than all other outlets COMBINED. Yet WE are the extremists….. Right… What arrogant condescension on your part.

    • TMBatKK

      You just invalidated your point…. Fox is one channel. You said ALL OTHER NEWS OUTLETS COMBINED. You are wrong. They bet out only two, MSNBC and CNN. There are other news outlets.

      Right wing skills sets: Can’t research, can’t do math, can’t think for themselves….

    • Heidi Hanson

      The reason why Fox has a bunch of viewers is it is one of the few channels you can get without paying for it. You can get it with an antenna. So basically it is the poorest and least educated people who watch Fox News. It is also the channel on all of the Basic cable packages. You have to pay more for MSNBC

      • MrPandy

        Where do you live that you can get FOX News with an antenna? FOX News is not a broadcast channel. The FOX Network is, which is like the difference between MSNBC (not broadcast) and NBC (broadcast).
        This explains a lot about your other “informative” posts.

      • enkelin

        Houston Texas

      • MrPandy

        I don’t believe that is correct. KRIV is the FOX Network channel in Houston, but I don’t see any over-the-air FOX News stations in Houston (or anywhere else).

  • razap123

    Such butt hurtness from conservatives…you still have tall radio

  • Heidi Hanson

    I went on the DISH FB page and posted that Fox was co-owned by Saudi Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal and they blocked me LOL. Guess the Fox viewers complained about someone telling the truth. They are know for not knowing or accepting any kind of truth.

  • Gray Panther

    Well guess what? You libbies have your entertainment “news” channels as well (MSNBC, CNN, etc.) featuring the likes of Al Sharpton. I don’t know how anybody can take that clown seriously.

    • BobLoblaw

      Fox News is the only one that takes Sharpton seriously. Or at least they are trying desperately. The other day they had no less than 5(!) articles about Sharpton on their front page. It is almost like they are trying to convince the public he is a politician.

    • decrepittex

      Watching Sharpton is like watching the opposite of Hannity. Why would anyone but a fool watch either? Also comparing CNN to Fox is really a stretch. Fox is a 24/7 repeat of Republican talking points. Most can be proven lies or near lies by fact checking.

  • Sam

    Quote: “Yes, Dish Network replaced the supposedly “fair and balanced” Fox News with the channel founded by radical right-wing conspiracy pushing
    propagandist Glenn Beck.

    Now, why would they replace a supposed “news” network with a channel
    that’s nothing more than right-wing propaganda? That doesn’t make any
    sense. Unless, of course, they know that Fox News is nothing more than conservative entertainment
    and instead of replacing it with some kind of legitimate news channel,
    they chose to replace the network with a channel that panders to
    conservatives.”

    Dish also replaced CNN with The Blaze when contract talks broke down with them. How then do you justify that?

  • Humma Kavula

    Actually, TheBlaze has been on Dish Network’s lineup since September, 2013.

    • Tony B

      September, 2012 actually.

  • Ron

    So what if FOX News is a channel for the conservatives. I wish it was more conservative but it has a lot of liberal speakers on each of its show giving their opinions as well. There is Alan Colmes, Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, Geraldo Rivera and many more. Within a day of viewing FOX News you will hear the liberal side as well as the conservative side. On the other news networks if they put two guests up the majority of the time it will be two liberals both agreeing with each other as well as the host. Can you name me all the conservatives of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, and NPR. These Networks cover the liberal views the majority of your viewing time. So why can’t the conservatives have at least one channel and that being FOX News covering the majority of its time to conservatives views. 7 Channels for the liberals compared to 1 Channel for the conservatives. Get over it and quit your whining about FOX News.

    • Heidi Hanson

      You actually think Rivera is liberal? You would have fit right in in 1930s Germany. You do know that there are NO liberal commentators on any network OR cable channel. It is not about what they are allowed to talk about, It is what they NEVER discuss. If any of them every talked about REAL liberal or leftist ideas (like they have in other countries) they would blank out the signal. People have no idea how manipulated they are, even those who think they are on the left. The Left wing in the USA would be right wing in any other country and the right wing in the USA are outright Fascists but they are so ill informed about history, ideology and economy that they do not even recognize it.

      • WizardofWords

        You obviously have not listened Rivera lately. Oh, that’s right, you don’t watch Fox News. Expand you horizons pea brain.

      • Heidi Hanson

        I refuse to support the Saudi Royal Family with my choice of TV. I don’t patronize Citibank either. Both News Corp and Citi are majority owned by The Saudi Sovereign fund, managed by Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal.

      • Ron

        I am not talking about other countries. Of course the liberals in America would be consider conservative in other countries. That is a no-brainer. I gave you four liberals from FOX News and I could give you more. Okay I will take out Rivera and put in Dennis Kucinich and James Carville who are regular guests on the show. On FOX News you will have the Conservative Host with a liberal guest and another conservative debating. On the other networks you will have the Liberal Host and two other liberal guest agreeing with the host.

      • Heidi Hanson

        MSNBC has right wingers as guests on their shows too, but that doesn’t make them FOX news. And then MSNBC has Scarborough Blech! But seriously there is NO real leftists on ANY cable news shows.

      • BigDoucheCuffook

        MSNBC is for libtards.

  • Bill Satterwhite

    Will you people, left and right, just shut the F**K up and read a couple of newspapers or a good book?

    • jayjay4142

      What are you doing on this site ? Go read a book yourself. Get your nose out of my business.

    • rowdy13

      Dynamite contribution, Billy. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to post that thought provoking comment. I will now turn my life around. Thank you, kind stranger, thank you…

    • BigDoucheCuffook

      No thanks. I would rather have sex. Hetero Sex that is. Homo’s are not normal.

  • MrPandy

    This article makes no sense. There is no other news network that does not lean to the left, so there is nothing comparable to FOX News that they can put on to replace it. Instead, Dish began carrying a channel started by a Conservative. It looks like Mr. Clifton overslept and missed his Logic 101 course at school.

  • Todd Huntington

    Wow, Dish network… Impressive investigating! Next you’ll try to suggest that politicians are crooked and boldly predict VHS will win out over Beta in the VCR war. Giant “news” organizations are ALL designed as entertainment, and it’s always more entertaining to hear news that supports your personal beliefs. A morsel of truth is twisted one way or another with opinions, misquotes and snippets taken out of context or lacking inflection. They are entertainment, pure and simple. If you want something resembling truth, listen to FOX & MSNBC, trim the opinionated rhetoric from both and merge what is left. Finally, Dish should focus more on its own extinction.

    • Casey Marion

      Trim the opinionated rhetoric & what you have left over from Faux is lies, & from MSNBC facts & news.

  • Cuffmonotony

    Gosh darn those Fox News people, making all those liberal-minded folks mad and stuff.

  • Jeff Baker

    Wasn’t Beck on Fox years ago? (Or was that MSNC?) Either way they dumped him!

    • Heidi Hanson

      Beck used to be on Fox

  • Roger Skoff

    Would you really believe anything said by the “co-founder of Forward Progressives, and author of the popular Right Off A Cliff column” to be anything other than biased? He doesn’t even TRY to look like he’s doing anything other than grinding his own very large axe. The article is just one more bit of hate-filled propaganda from the left, and doesn’t even realize that it’s exposing the weakness of its own position by showing that even though Dish has 13% of the cable market, the loss of it has only cost Fox 12% of its viewers. Hmmm, sound to me like Fox actually GAINED from the contract dispute.

  • WizardofWords

    I may rightly assume that this blog is a liberal one.

  • GH2015

    I have been reading these posts and this morons web and Facebook page, A nation divided will fail and all of you think your 100% right and most all under 40. Get it together young people and learn to compromise or our enemies will rule this country. It is not to late but the idiocy I see from all sides is heart breaking. I love AMERICA NOT MERICA ,AMERICA and what we used to stand for not what these new meanings and people want it to be. This is my country and I love it but I hate most of the jerks in it right now and hope you either leave it or help fix it and I don’t care what you call yourself. All of you pull your heads out of your butts and learn the word humility and compromise.

  • Joe Taylor Jr.

    For me, the following sentence calls into question the credibility and thoughtfulness of the writer.

    “…this little spat has had an impact on Fox News ratings as they’ve seen a 12 percent decrease in viewership over this time last year – which makes sense considering Dish Network owns just over a 13 percent share of the pay-TV marketplace.”

  • Unclekeg

    As a Dish customer and regular Fox watcher, I am happy for the break. I have now discovered the no nonsense MSNBC channel featuring such no nonsense experts like The Reverend Al. That guy really tells it like it is (when he is not too busy sponging off grieving victims to fill his pockets)

    What a crok o’ shite

  • shatto

    ….
    Nonsense.
    Dish, like all television and radio, have the programs they do
    to attract and hold audience so they can charge the highest
    possible advertizing rates.
    MSNBC would too, but NBC subsidizes their programming.

  • Ricky Winters

    Too funny! You people crack me up! The really funny thing, even with DISH dropped them, FOX STILL beat MSNBC in the ratings!

  • OutInTheOC

    Fox is conservative and MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC are liberal….we know this already………..why does surprise anyone?

    • Casey Marion

      Faux is lies for dullards who like being told the paranoid hate-monger propaganda they want to hear.
      The others are known as news.

      • OutInTheOC

        Oh please…..the others are news……..I’m laughing so hard….my side hurts…….please stop it…….NEWS……..please stop….it hurts!

  • Helivet

    I’m having a difficult time determining which more amusing: Fox being outed or the whining comments from the Beckers.

  • Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

    Fox the False propoganda channel, that poor brainwashed sheeple enjoy watching because these sheeple love the lies that False news propogates.

    • BigDoucheCuffook

      You may want to do a make over.

  • Ray M.

    If Fox News is nothing more than conservative entertainment, does that mean MSNBC is nothing more than liberal entertainment?

    • Casey Marion

      Do they lie as much as Faux Noise does, & call it news?

  • Mike McKinzie

    Glad to see the left and right are still healthy and fighting! Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Tyranny, Dictatorship, Theocracy, ad nauseum… Guess what, NONE of them work!! Read your history!

    • BigDoucheCuffook

      Mike,

      Can you do us a favor???

      Just Shut the Fook up?

      • Mike McKinzie

        Only if you do us all a favor, please do not procreate. As a matter of fact, just be celibate for the rest of your life for the sake of the human race!

  • Steve Schweiss

    Hey, Allen. You really have no concept of logical thought and making an argument that makes any common sense. However, your ability to rant like a crazed lunatic is outstanding.

  • Mike McKinzie

    I am curious though, how come you Liberals know so much about Fox News?

    • BigDoucheCuffook

      Because that is their life. A bunch of loser, unemployed douche bags.

  • amanda kat

    What is funny is the fact that the progressive idiots want a communist society. Having grown up behind the iron curtain in east Germany i can say they would be the first to cry when the government police started to arrest, beat, imprison and kill them and their family members for anything the government does not like. Dumbass progressives.

    • Heidi Hanson

      So you really think people have not been arrested for their political opinions in the USA. You don’t remember right before the Iraq invasion when they were arresting Quakers in the their meetings and other anti war groups. It is now illegal to protest without a permit, It will get you a jail sentence. Often political thorns just disappear in the USA. And BTW totalitarianism is NOT only found in communist regimes. It happens in lots of kinds of economies. Political dissidents are dealt with in lots of different ways.

    • BigDoucheCuffook

      Do us all a favor and go back to Germany.

    • Your personal experience should be taken seriously, but I don’t think the crowd her understands what it means to have grown up behind the iron curtain. With that kind of experience I’m sure you don’t need support from these dumbass progressives to know you’re right.

  • Karla w/a K!

    I am a Dish customer .. I hate Fox News and I hate the blaze Glenn Beck and the other channel they added to appease the right is Newsmax which is another POS Channel of right wing propaganda mixed with fearmongering….. I vote to ban them all!

    • BigDoucheCuffook

      Let’s ban CNN hot momma? What do you say?

    • Ouch, you make me embarrassed that I’m also a Dish customers. Your hate speech is clear, hopefully Dish is the only thing we have in common.

      • Karla w/a K!

        Patriot? Smith …..lmfcabao I can’t get a good visual of you doing anything that a true patriot would do… Because a True American Patriot would be out helping lift some one up and being humble about it ..Not you no way …I find you here trolling a website! You make me sick.. Yep ..I think I threw up a little when I saw your name “Patriot” Smith it more like “Pansy” Smith …Oh Ouch!

    • Heidi Hanson

      I would pay MORE to Comcast if there was a bundle that DID NOT include Fox news. I absolutely hate the thought that my cable money is going to Saudi Arabia.

  • BelindaSilva

    Mr. Clifton, your claim that Dish’s decision to substitute Fox News with the Blaze proves something about the viewers is not a logical assessment. At the most, it may prove something about Dish’s opinion of FNC’s viewers. However, it does not prove the viewers are anything because they had no input into the matter.

  • This article is not totally correct. I have DISH. I live in a suburb town next to Houston (Rosenberg). Fox News has NOT been replaced with anything. It is blank, nadda, nothing.

    • Heidi Hanson

      I think they add it on a different channel

  • Leaning Blue

    Hahaha this is fucking hilarious! And I agree with Jason, let’s stop calling them conservatives.

  • Support of Fox News and the truth that only Fox News reports is bigger
    than Dish. This too will pass and the base that supports Fox News will
    continue to grow due to the intelligence we respectfully refer to as American.

    • Heidi Hanson

      Prince Al Waleed thanks you for your support

    • Heidi Hanson

      But Hannity did not air the section of Panetta’s testimony in which he pointed out that information about the attack “went to the White House” and that Obama stayed in contact with military officials and was “well-informed” during the attack. Hannity also failed to air a clip of Gen. Martin Dempsey stating that White House staff “was engaged with the national military command center pretty constantly through the period, which is the way it would normally work.”

      Hannity joins numerous other right-wing outlets in selectively editing the testimony of Panetta and Dempsey”

  • Derek

    Glen Beck’s channel (don’t know how that even exists) getting satellite viewership is nothing to celebrate. I mean Glen Beck was ranting about insane conspiracies ON Fox News on a weekly basis only like 3 years ago. Actually that crazy shit gaining reach is shit your pants scary compared to Fox News gaining ratings. Replacing Fox News with a network containing actual journalism or unbiased current event reporting would be worth note and praise. If anything we should never find humor in Dish Network for this but rather call for a boycott for airing such insanity that tries to present itself as facts. That is if you’re going to bother calling attention in first place.

    • Heidi Hanson

      It Is the same reason those outer space alien shows on the Discovery Channel are so popular.

    • I disagree about Glenn Beck (at least get the spelling right), but for a liberal I have to give you credit for at least providing an argument. Most of the liberals here only rant like dogs peeing on a fire hydrant. Sounds like you probably graduated public high school and have that in common with Glenn Beck who also never completed college.

      Glenn Beck is not an intellectual, but he’s honest and his staff does a lot of good research for the stories he reports.

  • madshark

    I guess they could have replaced it with a network which panders to left wing idiots. Oh wait, they already have that. In every other cable “news” network.

  • Stokanator

    Oh geez here we go! Why are liberals so afraid of someone telling the other side of the story? Why do you feel conservatives shouldn’t be allowed to have a news network?

    There sure seems to be a lot of people on the left who are anti free speech! I’m obviously not a fan of MSNBC, however if they’re the next to be hit by contractual problems with a tv provider I’m not gonna celebrate or complain that their just a left wing biased network, in fact I probab wouldn’t even take the time out of my day to read or comment about it. Liberals on the other hand have this deep hatred for anyone or anything that promotes a different viewpoint then their own. The anger and bitterness I see people have toward a channel they supposedly don’t watch baffles me! I guess it’s a liberal thing, just as I can predict someone will likely lash out against this post and get all pissed off my opinion is different then their own!

    • Casey Marion

      Please don’t confuse contempt & disdain for idiocy & lies, masquerading as news, as objection to “another point of view.” Its not.

      • Stokanator

        I’m intrigued by people who claim to know so much about a channel they don’t watch!! Please show me an example where Fox as mislead or “lied” to their viewers?

        Above all Fox News isn’t employing and giving their own show to people like Al Sharpton! Talk about masquerading as news ha! The man is a tax evading, hate inciting, joke!

      • Heidi Hanson

        Google “right wing video editing” you will find that fox and “Friends” lie to and deceive their viewers on a regular basis.

      • Heidi Hanson

        “Following in the footsteps of others in the right-wing media, Fox News host Sean Hannity selectively edited a video of outgoing Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta to portray President Obama as “virtually absent” during the September 2012 attack on a diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya. In fact, Panetta testified that White House officials were kept informed of events throughout the incident.”

  • David Zzzz

    When Dish dropped CNN, they replaced it with MSNBC. Does that mean that CNN is really just a left wing mouthpiece that caters to the same viewers?

    You wing nuts are total hypocrites, both right and left. You debase the discussion and destroy any opportunity for finding common ground and for making progress for the general good..

    • David, you’re right but mistaken that wing nuts both right and left really care about anything other than their own agenda. Today, during the current dispute, you can say that one side supports Obama and his socialist agenda and the other opposes it. If you care, the real question to ask is where will you find a fair and balanced discussion? Most of the loons here will go to MSNBC, it’s really that simple.

      • David Zzzz

        You people (left and right) are being played like violins. You need MSNBC or Fox to tell you what to think because you’re incapable of an original thought or too lazy to think for yourself.

        Before MSNBC and Fox, there used to be quite a few liberal republicans and conservative democrats. Now they’re endangered species. People get their marching orders (talking points) from wing nut pundits and never look back.

        Henry Ford said “”Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it.”

  • Cin5456

    I think it would be funny if those Fox news viewers were forced to get their news from a real news station that told them the truth for a few weeks while the contract dispute continues. They might hear something that alters their viewpoint. (Slim chance of that, but they might begin to suspect Fox of being less than truthful.)

    • What a surprise that Fox News viewers have exactly the same opinion about you. We’re not going to resolve this issue here, but support of Fox News and their authentic fair and balanced message is bigger than Dish Network. This dispute too will pass and the base support for Fox News will continue to grow due to the resilience and intelligence we respectfully refer to as American.

      • Heidi Hanson

        Saudi Prince Al Waleed thanks you for your support.

      • Cin5456

        More likely, viewers will move on to other sources. For instance, in Canada, the Fox Cable News Channel is shutting down due to a lack of viewers. When people have good sources, they don’t need the fear mongering feedback that Fox provides. Fair and balanced? How long has it been since you watched other sources? They are a propaganda machine of the worst kind. At least CNN and CBS try to report on both sides sometimes, even though they show bias. The Fox Cable News propaganda machine makes its money on vilifying any and all they can characterize as “other.”

        The scorn Fox pundits heap on the rest of humanity is shameful. Let’s see who they don’t like. Liberals, and progressives are at the top of the list. Then there are those who are ethnically different, such as African American, Middle Eastern, Slavics, Pacific Islanders, Caribbean Islanders, Eastern Europeans such as Greeks, and Polish, and Ukrainians, and also Asians and other Far Easterners. They recently added French to the list, and Californians are in there too.

        They also hate the unemployed poor, the working poor, the disabled, and dependent children. They hate the homeless, the hungry, and those with retirement accounts that are supposedly draining someone’s coffers. They heap scorn on ministers that feed the homeless. They hate anyone who identifies as LGBT. They often promote hate against any religion that is not Evangelical Protestant Christian, including the Pope, (and some Catholics, but not all of them.) They like the Catholics who promote hatred of others, but hate the ones who promote love for all. Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists are of course terrorists according to Fox. They hate women who can’t afford to have child after child after child. They hate working women, career women, single women, teachers, unions, and anybody with self-determination and intelligence, including scientists, and doctors who adhere to current science. Oh, and they don’t like comedians either.

        I think that covers most everybody who is not an adherent to Fox News propaganda. All the rest (Fox viewers) are delusional, bigoted, or longing for the day when life was simple, women knew their place, and education consisted of the ABCs, addition and subtraction, so Fox loves them.

        But Fox pundits think Putin is the finest leader in the world, and that Israel should bomb the hell out of Iran. They think President Obama is too uppity for his britches, and too stupid and lazy to lead the country, (in spite of graduating from Harvard Law School with a J.D. magna cum laude, spending 12 years teaching constitutional law, and being named the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.) They think all schools should be closed, so parents can teach their children their own family-based form of propaganda, and aren’t forced to send them to schools with Blacks and Hispanics, or learn about science, history, or any advanced subjects that might make them doubt their parents or talk back to adults. Parents that agree with Fox seem to think the only reason to teach children to read is so they can read the Bible, just like back in the 15th century.

        Fox pundits love them some 1%ers. They love rich, white patriarchs, specifically anyone associated with the Koch brothers, or Adelson, or the Tea Party, or far right Republicans. They love anyone who wants to take things away from people who have nothing. They love people who hate people. They love corporations. They love the oil industry. They love Wall Street traders and Bankers. They love Washington lobbyists. They love anybody with loads of money stashed away in off-shore bank accounts.

        Fox pundits will tell you that the wealthiest men are the real poor people, and that they are the ones who are really being exploited. They will tell you the minister who feeds the homeless does not care about the poor businessmen and condo owners who must walk past the homeless who are waiting in line for a meal while they walk to the
        local park for a jog. (Oh, how my heart bleeds for those poor men in silk jogging suits and high-heeled socialites, whose sensibilities are offended by the sight of dirty, hungry, homeless people. (snark))

        I’m sure I’ve missed something in this litany, but you get the picture. The Fox Cable News Channel is not fair and balanced.

    • Heidi Hanson

      Never happen, Their cognitive dissonance from hearing something with truth in it would make their heads explode.

  • New User

    MSLSD/NBC rocks!

  • CharlieAdamsInKY

    A whole lot of TeaPubliKKKlan Treason Party mouth-breathers posting here that need their teeth kicked down their throats.

    • sounds like KKK mob speak to me, are you sure you don’t mean put a noose around our necks while you dress up like a ghost? Oh, I see you’re from KY. You must be reacting to the overwhelming KY Republican support from the November election which explains your hatred of Fox News for providing so much information. Tell the truth, are you really an Obama socialist community organizer?

      • CharlieAdamsInKY

        No, I am really a person who is fed up to the fucking gills with the neo-fascist right wing and the fucking armies of PAID LIARS they fund to pile onto these comment threads. As for “KKK mob speak”, you FAKE-“patriot” SOBs have had the corner on that market for half a century. Shove your little TeaPubliKKKlanner memes right back up the orifice you pulled them out of, little man.

  • strubabe

    I just happened to read this trash and take it for what it is. Partisan politics from some leftist . No real information just opinion.

  • WADE DYER

    I used to get so angry at liberal ranting about conservatives……but once I figured out they suffer from a yet undiagnosed form of mental retardation……well you just feel sympathy

  • Tony

    Such bs….they replaced CNN with the Blaze too.

  • N. Cognito

    Republicans are nothing but communists. Better dead than red!

    • Your dumbness speaks volumes. Duh, just more brilliance coming out of our public education system.

      • N. Cognito

        Spoken like a true communist. Better dead than red, “comrade”.

      • N. Cognito

        I really care what a filthy commie says. Go tell it to your Marxist friends, “comrade”.

  • Chery Luna

    While watching another “national news” station, a story was shown. From what i saw there, I came to an opinion on that subject. My husband switched to Fox News and the same story came on. Fox showed the rest of the story other networks did not want us to see. I don’t always agree with Fox 100% of the time, but they do come closer to reporting the whole subject than ALL the others. I would trust them before I would CNN and the rest.

    • Casey Marion

      Faux Noise lies most of the time. Evidently they were telling you what you prefered to hear, even if it wasn’t true. They’re primarily entertainment for low-info right wing folks, not news.

      • Chery Luna

        Casey, you are so wrong. Fox showed the rest of the video the other stations would not show. Had nothing to do with a written report. The other stations are owned and run by liberal dems who think we the people (which includes you) are stupid voters and do not have the ability to make up our own minds where Fox shows the whole story and gives us the opportunity to make up our own minds. Liberal left-wing are the reason we have such an idiot in office who is controlling what is being reported on other stations to keep you all under control. He is going out with a bang, taking our nation into another huge recession and does not want it reported on any stations so you will know it was whole left-wing who is responsible. You will see what I am talking about soon enough. Just remember this, that man and his goodies are the ones who said you are too stupid to vote and are not intelligent enough to make your own decisions regarding what coverage you want in health care. Not only did Fox show the video of the one saying it, but so did the other networks.

      • Michael Keville

        FAUX NEWS. The preferred station of ignorant , intolerant, racist morons

      • Casey Marion

        Completely false & profoundly ignorant paranoid lunatic fringe propaganda claim.
        Typical of Faux Noise entertainment channel viewers. How pathetic.

      • Casey Marion

        Your ignorance is truly astounding. You should turn off Faux Noise Lies & fact check your ludicrous claims.

      • Heidi Hanson

        I guess you have not heard of the video editing that several right winger have been found to do to make a video sound like the exact opposite of what the person actually said. Brietbart was sued for doing that. Fox has been found to attribute things said to the wrong person and to the wrong party. Just because you saw a video does NOT mean that is represents any thing that is true.

  • JCJ Bike

    “to push their nonsense???” Where red state politics are practiced, things are going well. Where blue state “nonsense” is employed, you have cities and states in trouble. Can you say Detroit??

    • Ha, I don’t think you meant to say “blue state … employed”, there’s very little employment in blue states.

      • Casey Marion

        False. You really need to fact check. Check state poverty rates, then look at how many in the top 10 are red & blue.

      • I was replying to the comment about the unemployment rate in blue states, not the poverty rate. However, since you brought it up, you’re point is that having a job isn’t important as long as you’re not in poverty. And I do believe you, that’s what you really mean.

        And that is the liberal philosophy, to subsidize the poor regardless of how demoralizing it is to keep people in poverty and dependent on the government. Thank you.

      • Casey Marion

        Most of those in poverty work, unless they’re retired elderly, or disabled. Most poverty ridden states are bright red as well.
        Its the right wing lunatic lie based claim that subsidizing the poor is demoralizing them and keeping them dependent on the government.
        No, poverty is demoralizing, and starving, freezing, dying due to lack of medical is even more demoralizing than support from our tattered underfunded social programs.
        Poverty level wages are demoralizing, as are the entrenched GOP policies that keep an outrageous percentage of the US population impoverished, unlike every other developed first world country on earth.

      • JCJ Bike

        Of course, that’s not true. In the upper midwest, states controlled by a Republican governor (ohio, indiana, wisconsin) are doing a lot better than their Illinois neighbor by a huge amount. It’s why the good people of Illinois decided to elect a republican to fix the mess the dems got them into. (similar to how liberals in NYC elected Rudy Guiliani twice to fix the mess their liberal beliefs got them into from the 60s to the 80s)
        Even with all the people moving FROM california to texas, CA still has one of the worst unemployment rates in America. (ranked 48th). Below are the unemployment rates with the best being in North Dakota. I believe three, maybe four of these 17 states voted for Obama in 2012 and about the same percentage are actually run by dems statewide. I believe two of them (Iowa and colorado) booted their democrat incumbent senator in favor of a republican in the most recent election.
        Still think it’s better in “blue-ville?”1NORTH DAKOTA2.72NEBRASKA3.13SOUTH DAKOTA3.34UTAH3.65MINNESOTA3.76IDAHO3.97HAWAII4.08COLORADO4.18NEW HAMPSHIRE4.110IOWA4.310KANSAS4.310MONTANA4.310VERMONT4.314OKLAHOMA4.415WYOMING4.516TEXAS4.917OHIO5.0

    • Heidi Hanson

      Can you say Kansas?

      • JCJ Bike

        Yes… 10th in the nation in best unemployment rate, and Governor Brownback is making the tough choices (both cuts and tax increases) to get their budget in balance. We would be 7.5 TRILLION less in debt if our President has done the same thing.
        Just like how Scott Walker did to fix the billion dollar mess blue state wisconsin got itself into. The blue staters appreciated him so much, they elected him, they re-elected him in a recall, and re-elected him again in the regular election. (way to go wisconsin unions)

        California continues to drown in it’s undying commitment to bloated employee pensions and the only solution they come up with is to raise their taxes. (cuts weren’t an option) Now their unemployment rate is 48th in the country (bad end of the list) and people are leaving in hoards.
        It’s one thing to live in your own private idaho thinking your way is right, but sometimes, facts are important.

  • John Quarles

    I would much rather get the truth about a sitting president that’s trying to tear this country apart from the inside -out, or what’s really going on in Ferguson and Iraq. Do you really think the Communist News Network will let that happen? God forbid the government funded truth rapping MSNBC lets you know to watch out for those wolves in sheep’s clothes called democrats

    • John, you make a good point. In the big picture, one side of the forum
      supports Obama and his socialist agenda and the other opposes it. If you
      care, the real question to ask is where will you find a fair and
      balanced discussion? Most of the loons here will go to MSNBC, it’s
      really that simple.

  • Tony M

    Why is it that liberals, progressives, or whatever you want to call yourselves, don’t want to hear a conservative view on anything. They want to dominate the news and express only liberal views. Could it be that liberals are afraid that some of the under educated voters, to whom they direct all of the liberal ideals and hatred, might actually begin to question what is said? Some liberals are VERY rich, but constantly talk about the “wage disparity” that the poor suffer. They don’t offer to spread their wealth, only the wealth of the taxpayers of this country. They don’t open businesses with their millions or billions and pay high wages to all the workers. They simply keep preaching that everyone else should do that, while their fortunes keep building. If some of you “open minded” liberals would listen to FOX and then actually go and verify if what they say is factual, you might not be quite so liberal afterward. Of course you probably wouldn’t believe the facts, an easy way to keep your liberal beliefs going strongly. After all, why confuse the issue with facts? Instead, many of you chose to simply follow the “piper”, like a bunch of lemmings. Unfortunately, our failing education system provides liberals with a broad base of “listeners”. GOD HELP US ALL (even liberals).

    • Casey Marion

      Those who are informed & educated often prefer reality over fantasy when it comes to policy. Contemporary “conservative views” tend to be lie based propaganda, or proven failed policy that the right seeks to double down on for ideological reasons.

      The left is open to doing what works, the right insists on doing what doesn’t. They want the world to work the way they want it to instead of how it does.
      Listening to the right repeatedly insist on doing what is proven to fail, or parroting propaganda based lies grows tiresome.

    • Heidi Hanson

      History has shown us what happens then a nation gets suckered in with right wing propaganda. WWII was the result of right wing propaganda.

  • John Peterson

    Please explain why Fox News is far and away the ratings leader in cable news.

    • I’ve been watching CNN some during this dispute and it’s just dry and irrelevant by comparison, there’s no context. MSNBC does provide context but you have to be either a socialist or a democratic community organizer. Actually, the reason Fox News is the leader is simply because that’s the only channel most Americans find relevant to their daily lives, especially those with a life associated with a job and family.

      • Heidi Hanson

        “I’ve been watching CNN some during this dispute and it’s just dry and irrelevant by comparison, there’s no context”….. LOL that is what straight NEWS is supposed to be. It is not supposed to tell you what to think. It is only supposed to tell you what happened.

    • Casey Marion

      For the same reason McD’s sells the most hamburgers. Certainly not because of the quality. People buy cheap trash.

      Low-info right wing likes being told the lies they prefer hearing, vs. anything resembling quality news & legit reporting.

    • Heidi Hanson

      Because you can get them free with just an antenna

  • Julie

    This article is rubbish. The author might have a little more
    credibility if he tried watching the very popular network that he loves
    to bash. YOU’RE WELCOME, Allen, for the advice.

  • Packard27

    The market will eventually decide which corporation was right.

    As for me, I am voting with my feet this week by switching to Direct TV. Good luck and best wishes DISH. It will take a great deal of incentives to lure me back to your company after this.

  • 21stcenturyquaker

    “the country’s largest television providers has irritated many conservatives while humoring quite a few liberals.” Humoring? Really? Does he mean “amusing”?

    • How can you amuse left wing nuts who don’t have a sense of humor? They just don’t get it without dumbing it down.

  • Sandy Elizabeth

    If there were a “dislike” or an “eye roll” button…I’d be inserting it here. People like the news the way they like it. Funny how Fox News viewers aren’t ripping you for your opinion. We just want our news back. Many of us will leave Dish in a heartbeat if it isn’t restored.

  • David

    Mr. Clifton: And I suppose you would call all other news sources legit? Get real: neither side ever really does a good job of genuinely calling a spade a spade. Truth is: FOX News does not pander. It presents the news from a conservative angle. CNN and the other news sources do not pander. They present the news from a liberal angle…and that has been proven over and over again. No one really is in the middle. What I find amusing is the name calling toward that which we disagree with. Sadly, you did not display in your article the real facts of the story between FOX and DISH. You just wanted to point out how much you dislike FOX. You did a horrible job of presenting the case for either side, and more than making a case, you proved a great deal of immaturity. Whichever network may be ‘fair and balanced’ is debatable. But be not mistaken: you, Sir, are neither.

  • Tom

    God.
    All you people on here saying that government didn’t do this or didn’t do that.
    One word for you.
    Roads.

    Do not understand?

    Ok, how about the interstate system? Eisenhower.
    Just making roads safer. Local and Federal governments of both parties
    That is just one example.

    • So Tom, to be clear are you saying that the message from Fox New is that the government doesn’t do anything? That’s not the Fox News message, but it’s revealing to us Fox News supporters to understand how people are so misinformed about Fox News. Some of these attitudes are really is a mystery to us. Thanks for clarifying.

      And of course you are correct, government does have an important role with essential public works like roads. It’s just that conservatives, that may include you actually, want government to do it’s role and not everything else. It’s the socialist redistribution of wealth that’s anti-American.

      • Tom

        First, you are reading to much into my comment
        Second, do not insult mt by calling me a conservative, I am DFL
        Third, I will not get into a debate with you as this really is not worth it.

  • John Morrison

    And MSNBC is not prpoganda? All cable and news agencies replace our thinking and people are stupid enough to believe everything they see or hear. No wonder America is full of no information voters

  • mrsgayle

    Come back Fox news there is nothing credible to watch…

  • Daniel

    Soo… what’s your view on when this exact same thing happened 2 months ago with time Warner (CNN). We’re they too, exposed?

  • Jack McKechnie

    They actually had that channel before the conflict…I just wish they would give us a choice..Fox News or say H2…(History 2)…..Ancient Aliens or bigfoot is without doubt more truthful and scientific than Fox and Friends….

  • Patton

    And MostShittyNewsBroadcastingCommunism, or the CommunistNewsNetwork are ‘legitimate news networks’?!? NEWS FLASH! Communism/Socialism/Progressivism HAS HISTORICALLY FAILED EVERY TIME! There is a reason the U.S.A. became the most FREE Nation in history! It is the only government that has ever been crafted on the principles of Christianity.

    • Heidi Hanson

      I guess you never heard of the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE?

  • Chris

    Wow really? Typical liberal … logic escapes you. Dish’s choice in a replacement does not make Fox News an entertainment show … that may be how Dish and you see it … but in no way does this make it fact. Then again I am trying to logically explain something to a liberal … sorry … didn’t mean to confuse with actual logic.

  • Chris

    Dish’s replacement selection doesn’t automatically make Fox News conservative entertainment. This is not a logical conclusion … just your opinion.

  • Tuxedo_Plowboy

    So all of the political tools such as CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, ALJAZERRA, ABC, NBC, CBS legitimate objective sources of objective news and FOX the only one of this bunch that actually is, is not??? We see what ForwardProgress is all about. Just yet another left wing political tool spinning the truth and what you don’t spin you just leave out. Liberalism is a stepping stone to Communism, and the media is full of it.

  • Tuxedo_Plowboy

    Man there are too many flaming liberal radicals and outright supporters of Communism on this comment section. I feel sick of even reading these warped and clueless intellects depressing comments!

  • David Cartes

    I could replace Fox with MSNBC, right wing with leftwing, conservative with liberal and of course Republican for Democrat, and this piece would be equally true, of course Clifton doesn’t claim to be fair and balanced so he can truly be held to a lower standard. I would argue that at one time the news on Fox was good journalism, and the video magazine portion tried to be balanced. But journalism is a business and has always gone to the $. When it doesn’t it folds like a newspaper.

  • Bo

    As a dish network customer ive got to mention that a few months ago cnn was pulled the exact same way as fox for about a month. What did they replace it with???? The Blaze…….. guess it didnt count that time did it? In my opinion the blaze and fox news are the best two channels on tv.

  • Doug

    I watch Faux News for the women …

  • Joe Blow

    This article is a joke. Not everyone that watches Fox News wants to watch The Blaze or whatever Beck is pushing. I will be cancelling my DISH subscription so I don’t have to watch the Airline Crash Channel (CNN) anymore.

  • Cecil

    Jason you must be one of those left wingers who has it so far up ole Harry Reid and Obama’s ass that you can’t see or think straight

  • DarthFader

    Aparently the truth is dealt to our non Fox viewers by folks like Gruber, and Koskinen, and Lerner. Keep the faith in those heros folks.

  • Mike Morningstar

    Uhhh. just a month or so ago when CNN and dish had a pissing match they replaced CNN with Glenn Beck too. So you are saying CNN is right wing? What is a right wing fascist? Do you know the definition of fascism? Apparently not. You probably think Nazis were right wing too right? The word socialist is right in the definition of Nazi. No conservative would ever define themselves as socialist.

  • Daniel

    Failing that they just put old Matlock episodes on on a loop.and go to Benny Hill show for more of that traditional american values.

    Only in the bubble of fox following fanatical fools can you even pretend fox is news. Every chance they get they just shoot themselves in the foot with ideas debunked in the 1930’s.

    This is nothing but pure funny.

  • WHAT’S A BENGHAZI ??? DO IT BITE ???

  • James R Hartsell

    if dish truly stands for its customers alternative programming is not the answer my bill was a Fixed price for life at the time i signed that it included Fox regardless of the contracts you had with any of your programmers even fox Your responsibility to your customers was to provide that service we signed up for despite the cost if Fox violates the existing contract for other programming then you can take them to task for that but you need to correct the contract to regain FOX News we did not pay for the package that includes Fox News & Fox Businesses to watch the Blaze or reruns of MSNBC’s Lock up MSNBC changed their programming to offer LESS news not more Fox may not be the best of news or the best of anyones perspective buy FOX does affect others programming more than you know SOLVE THE PROBLEM OR LOOSE THE CUSTOMER

  • I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT ANY SITE OTHER THAN MAYBE SODA HEAD WOULD ALLOW SUCH IGNORANCE IN THEIR POSTINGS, SUCH BACKWARDS THINKING CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT FLOWING LIKE WATER FROM A SEPTIC TANK (OBOMBBER) ??? ARE YOU SHITTING ME DISRESPECTFUL TOOTHLESS REDNECK RANTINGS AND THIS IS WHAT YOU CLOWNS CALL CONVERSING FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY ??? ENJOY YOUR PIGSTYE YOU ARE ALL VERY DESERVING OF IT SNORT !!!

  • G D Shorty Mayfield

    ALLEN CLIFTON….. I DON’T THINK I HAVE EVER HEARD OF YOU…Is it because YOU are a BIASED LIBERAL and jealous of FOX NEWS????? I checked and there is not much of a FOLLOWING of your TWITTER,FACEBOOKor COLUMN???? AS IF YOU ARE NOT A BIASED, LIBERAL, HACK……. GET A LIFE,AND GET OVER YOUR JEALOUSLY OF FOX

  • Kathleen Stoughton-Trahan

    I called my Dish cable provider and thanked them for dumping Faux News….hope they never bring it back.

  • Ron Poorhall

    Yes and I would like to thank the government for creating all the jobs of the world because we all know its not the markets and individuals who create them, it is the government.

  • lisa palmer

    Yes. Fascist Fox Noise. I love the sound of quiet.

  • David Malone

    There is just one little fact that totally negates the premise of this absurd article. Glen Becks, “The Blaze” was already available on another Dish Network channel. So what if Dish also uses it as a place holder for Fox News? Kudos for Dish for fighting to keep the rates down…

  • Conservative

    Dumbest article ever… People hate Fox News because liberals always fear and hate what they can’t control and anything that doesn’t bow before their foolishness. Classic liberal example – When Nancy Pelosi said “you have to pass the bill to see what’s in it” Fox News will never go away and will ALWAYS crush the ratings of the other networks and you liberals hate it but can’t do a darn thing about. LOL I love it!!!!!

  • PTBarnumboy

    There’s a lot of money to be made selling snake oil regardless of the brand.

  • chery

    Democrats-Grubers. LOL

  • Dirk Thompson Hunt

    Dumbshits… Dish replaced CNN 2 months ago when they had a contact dispute with The Blaze. SO WHAT DOES THAT MAKE CNN?

    I didn’t see Allen jump to that kooky theory of his. You’re all a bunch of psycho conspiracy nut jobs.

  • Bob Herduin

    And, CNN, NBC,CBS,MSNBC dosen’t do just the opposite? Very biased and, hypocritical post if you ask me !

  • Mark Tallman

    Dish Network insulted my intelligence (3 Stanford graduate degrees) which is off-the-chart. They have the gall to classify this as a Fox problem. Really? As Fox News is available on all cable systems, Direct TV, and u-verse, this is actually a Dish Network issue, as they are the only system that does NOT have Fox News. How can ANYONE with a modicum of intelligence not see this? Perhaps not everyone has a 32-cyllinder mind.

  • Edward Tilton

    Fox went to court and proved that they are not a News Channel. According to them their viewers are intelligent enough to understand that their broadcasts are not news.

  • Ritch

    More foaming at the mouth by rabid progressives.

  • markmcgood

    So let me get this straight. Dish Network has lost 90,000 subscribers, and by substituting that nutcase Beck for Fox News, they are appealing to the same demographic. Maybe in Dish’s (and Forward Progressive’s) dreams.

  • Terry Williams

    What are the Ratings of the cable news networks, who is the leader of cable news? Who has led as the number one cable news network for the past 10, 11,12, 13 years can you tell me who? It’s not that Liberals are Ignorant, it’s that there is so much, they know so little about!

  • Alan Lee

    90000 Dish customers left in the last 4 days to other providers who carry FNC

  • Carousel_Knight

    CNN was replaced by a movie channel when they were in dispute.

  • Daniel

    Summary.
    (Right wing gas bag): “i know me that fox news yells the truth because fox news told me and you are a stupid racist socialist for pointing out how often we are wrong and look like idiots”

    (Non bubble dweller): “but fox news is only telling you a mix of what they want you to think, and things to scare and anger you”

    (Resident of bullshit mountain): “but they are all white and Christian like me. They’d never lie. And they use such pretty blonde women to tell me who to hate”

    (Real informed citizen): “but that’s the problem. If you don’t check you believe things like ” death panels” and “FEMA camps” are real. And they aren’t any more real than Santa or Dick Cheney’s humanity”

    (Reactionist tea party): “Santa’s white! And your a traitor because Jesus!. I’ll second amendment you for saying things that make me uncomfortable”

    (Beck viewer): “and the queers are poisiong the soil! Chemtrails! Bengazi!”

    (The rest of us): laugh and back away slowly hoping fox news starts handing out free thorzine with every bill.

  • Conservative411

    Does the same thing go for CNN since they were off of Dish for months? Not only did they go thru a contract dispute but they were off during the most important time of the year…THE ELECTIONS.

  • backliner

    Small minds … Lean Forward

  • Curtis

    This site seems to be full of high school children who can do nothing more than be insulting. There is no exchange of thoughts here, just insults.

  • Jonathan

    Here I am an “uninformed” “conservative ” who somehow staggered across an intelligent informative website. The logic in this article is completely absent. To show equivalency of the Blaze with Fox News you would need to show the ratings are the same. This author is an idiot.

  • Hugh Railey

    There are no “legitimate” news channels in America any longer.

  • suds

    As a result of blocking FoxNews (temporarily I’m sure) Dish has lost close to 100k subscribers or roughly the entire audience for MSNBC on a given night. They’ll be crawling back any day now.

  • Sergio Lopez

    Go hug a tree!

    Dishnetwork has lost 90k subscribers and 350 k looking in to changing providers, the So call accepting of everyone left does nothing but call people names when they don’t agree with their communist agenda.

  • Johnstoirvin

    Forward progressives…… what an oxymoron!

  • Tina Sherrill Mason

    So happy I have Direct TV! I like my freedom to watch what I choose!

  • TJ Jameson

    Eat shit DISH. I’m in the process of dropping you and I will encourage very one I know to do the same.

  • rore73

    This conflict between Dish and Fox is really getting humorous. Cable and satellite providers continually increase rates to subscribers, but can’t seem to negotiate a deal with one of the most popular networks that basically refuses to be bullied by them. Dish loses a hunk of business as a result of the conflict and then allies with a bunch of liberals opposed to conservative broadcasting. It appears that Dish is digging a pretty deep hole which makes one wonder if their organization might have a death wish!

  • Barolg69

    LONG LIVE FOX NEWS!!!

  • frank96740

    Was this POOR excuse for a Blog Post supposed to make some kind of sense? If so, it was one of the dumbest posts i’ve read in years. If this is the BEST that “Forward Progressives” have got, it’s a sad joke on the left and ‘progressives’ in general. Of course you DO have people like Brian Williams to be so proud of, along with a LYING Hillary Clinton, ‘dodging gunfire’ to name a few PRIME candidates lacking a lick of integrity.. I am so NOT impressed with the left wing dimwits controlling this or those that respond to the stupidity..