The Disturbing Hypocrisy Among Many Senior Citizens When it Comes to Social Security and Medicare

medicare-signI despise whenever someone uses the term “entitlements” to describe Social Security and Medicare. First, millions upon millions of Americans pay into these programs – they earn them. Secondly, these aren’t “handouts for the lazy,” they’re programs aimed at trying to ensure our disabled, sick or to a larger extent our elderly aren’t left stranded without any kind of medical and financial help. And while they’re not perfect programs, they’re a hell of a lot better than nothing.


If you doubt me, just go ask a senior citizen who’s mostly living off Social Security and Medicare. You’ll find they’re very protective of these “entitlements” and any mention of any kind of change or reduction to them usually doesn’t go over too well.

But there’s a huge hypocrisy when it comes to the tens of millions of senior citizens who often vote for Republicans who also heavily rely on these programs to survive. The truth of the matter is, Republicans would love to get rid of both Social Security and Medicare. In fact, they’re frequently trying to do just that.

Well, for younger generations anyway. See, these Republicans couldn’t come out and push legislation to gut or outright eliminate these programs for current or soon to be seniors who plan to benefit from these programs because that wouldn’t go over well for them come election time.

Why? Well, because older Americans (who are among the most consistent voting demographic) don’t want their benefits messed with, reduced or eliminated. They like them – a lot.

So what these Republicans typically do is reassure these Americans (usually 50 and older) that they won’t face any kind of reduction in benefits; though anyone younger than 50 will experience the full-force of the GOP’s efforts to eliminate these programs entirely. This then appeases many older conservative voters who can sleep easy because their benefits will not be touched. But to hell with younger generations, right?

This is something that really ticks me off, because it’s absolute hypocrisy. Sure, they wouldn’t support these politicians if they were trying to cut their Social Security or Medicare, but they seem to be perfectly fine with them slashing or eliminating these benefits for younger generations.


It’s the ultimate “I’ve got mine, screw the rest of you” mentality. Which is nothing new when it comes to conservatives, but in this particular instance it’s really disgusting.

And while I have the utmost respect for our seniors, I have a message for those Americans (specifically seniors or those who are soon to be seniors) who continue to vote for these Republicans who want to cut or eliminate Social Security and Medicare for future generations: If you don’t want your Social Security or Medicare reduced or eliminated, then stop voting for politicians who want to do just that to those benefits for younger generations of Americans who will need these programs as well. 

Because by doing so not only are you screwing over younger generations of Americans, you’re being blatant hypocrites in the process.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Betty J Rousey

    In other words, if you are old, qualify for Medicare and all the other elderly programs AND vote for Republicans, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Not the programs, per se, because they were set up by DEMOCRATS, while Republicans fought them all the way, back in the 30s… NOW you don’t have to fight for them, so the obvious move is to… join the enemy?????

    • tracey marie

      why do you feel Americans are your enemy?

      • Shocked

        Why do you insist on so narrowly defining “American”?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        just white trash regressive religious scum,,,,,,,,,, just those willfully ignorant ones

      • tracey marie

        That I can understand and agree with

      • regressive teaparty trash

        sadly,,,, they are increasing in power
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        please read ” AMERICAS CONSERVATIVE ROAD TO DESTRUCTION….A BRIEF HISTORY” posted on aug 10 2014 on THE BLUE ROUTE by Bruce Bacon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, it is fascinating: it will elucidate all who need to know whats happening in the past 60 yrs,,,,,PLEASE read and pass along!!

      • tracey marie

        I will do just that.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        thank you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a MUST read for all who care — NOTE: if U give it to “republicans” they will not read it OR call it subversion/ lies/ ETC,,,,,,,,,,

      • tracey marie

        I will read most things…unless it is the brietbart/wnd type garbage. I pulled it up and saved it to read tomorrow

      • regressive teaparty trash

        reply to me here when U read it— and PLEASE tell everyone !

      • Ruth Crook

        Have you tried carefully reading the post that you just replied to? I recommend it.

      • tracey marie

        lol, you believe I care what you recommend, puleeze

      • Ruth Crook

        You just demonstrated the reason for my recommendation.

    • Thebob

      See this is the difference between libtards an all the other people in the real world..libtards think they are the only ones who are right and if you disagree GTFO….Sorry dude that’s completely un-American…

      • Shocked

        So you don’t think you are right when you call people “libtards” and say people on the left are wrong? Good to know, because we don’t think you are right either. At least we can agree on that.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        hey daboob,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that’s a great reply to her facts
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        and,,,,,,,U regressive white trash wonder why we hate U clowns?

      • Ruth Crook

        I think that the main real difference is that we “libtards” don’t call people names as much as you do.

  • BlueSky

    Since current Social Security payroll tax in part supports those currently collecting SS (because the SS account has been “borrowed from” by Congress), do the elderly believe that youngsters and employers will each want to continue paying 7.5% of their income into a program that will be gone when they retire? I’ve paid into SS since I was 16 and need these benefits now that I can work only part time. BTW, I’m 71 and a raving liberal.

    • allenels

      You need to contact your Social Security office immediately. You are eligible to receive full benefits and maintain your part-time job income.

    • Thebob

      I can respect this Man, at least he isn’t ashamed to admin he is a liberal…I won’t even dignify him by calling him a libtard…He isn’t he knows what he wants, free hand out’s…Yes I know you paid into SS you deserve to get that money back..Personally I want my 7.5% in my pay check to do with as I see fit since I am 31 I will never ever seen my SS contributions..Nor do I want them…I want my money now, so I can save it on my own an collect interest on it and hopefully retire well off so I don’t need to rely on a flawed bankrupt system. Had you not believed in our broken government and saved and planned your retirement you wouldn’t need to rely on them to begin with…The SS was implemented because the Government thinks it’s people are stupid and can’t do thing for themselves…This is more and more less true…

      • Shocked

        The fact that you don’t read well explains your ignorant opinions.

      • Thebob

        Which of those ignorant opinions do you refer to…enlighten me oh great scholar.

      • regressive white trash reli

        I suspect U read ‘well” enough,,,,,,,
        ,,,,,,,,your understanding is limited and stultified

      • regressive teaparty trash

        so become self employed and make money as I do( a raving “libtard”) ,,,,or do U just want to keep crying about no money?
        shall we discuss those stellar GOP policies over the past 25 yrs?

      • Thebob

        Go ahead talk shit about the GOP I do not associate with the GOP, nor do I label myself except as an American. And as usual nothing except hate spooing from your mouth. What if any solution do you have to a broken system, especially the SS bankrupt program. You nor I will ever see that money, which it is your money or suppose to be.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        doesn’t matter
        I make a very nice living and own 5 properties ( 4 rental)

      • Well ,lucky f-ing you trash.

      • regressive white trash reli

        your lachrymosity is noted
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        why are U going after me? Im a progressive liberal centrist

      • Thebob

        Centrist my ass..liberal progressive yes. Do you even know what a progressive liberal is? Truly…have you read Karl Marx and I bet your hero is the racist Margret Sanger who created Plan parenthood. Ever read about her. Die hard racist who wanted to use eugenics to make black people infertile and use abortions on them as a main stream black population reduction. Oh and don’t forget about Cloward and Piven who want to destroy this country from the inside out and create some Socialist Communist utopia, oh yeah both racists as well.

        “Sanger shaped the eugenics movement in America and beyond in the 1930s and 1940s. Her views and those of her peers in the movement contributed to compulsory sterilization laws in 30 U.S. states that resulted in more than 60,000 sterilizations of vulnerable people, including people she considered “feeble-minded,” “idiots” and “morons.”” Mainly referring to blacks and poor; this is what plan parenthood is about.

        More from your dear Margret:

        “In a letter to Clarence Gable in 1939, Sanger wrote: “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members”” (Margaret Sanger commenting on the ‘Negro Project’ in a letter to Gamble, Dec. 10, 1939).
        This project was the Tuskegee project where they infected black males with syphilis…Yes, this is what your so trusted Government does.

        Yep these are the people that your party holds so dear to their harts. Hilary Clinton sees Margret Sanger as a hero and an idol.

        I really think you are smart and if you opened your eyes you would truly see what has been going on in front of your face you just choose not to see it. Get in line Sheeple wait your turn to leap off the edge with the rest of the heard.

      • hatshepsut

        “centrist?” Progressive liberal is an oxymoron, and centrist means your in the middle of being liberal and not being liberal. I’m speaking dictionary-wise because if you truly expect us to believe you are what you say….well, you’re coming off as a fairly pretentious person. I’m not “going after you” here, just trying to understand either where you’re coming from or where you’re going with this.

      • Thebob

        Perfect example right here…Owning property is about the only sure fire way to become wealthy. Property regardless of the market, just like Gold/Silver will always be worth something to someone. So why are you even fighting about SS you won’t need it. Nor do you probably even pay into it.

      • regressive white trash reli

        I pay plenty of taxes– with capital gains this year im looking at(approx.) 27.5 K
        keep crying…………….

      • hatshepsut

        What the heck do your life choices have to do with the government robbing seniors of the retirement funds they have paid into all of their working life. Take a course in logical persuasion, dear heart.

      • white trash religious scum

        hey kreskin: take a peek at w hat THEBOB wrote to me; maybe your comprehension will rise enough 4 U 2 understand
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        NOTE: Im a liberal progressive who hates the GOP-

      • Ruth Crook

        The only hate I have seen in this thread is coming from “conservatives”. I think you could probably solve a lot of your problems by turning off the talk radio.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        perhaps ur “brilliance” can edify me as2 what EXACTLY ” conservatives” ( regressives) are “conserving”???

      • Thebob

        What is a regressive? Cause I sure a hell don’t want to end up with a quality of life like we had in the early 1900’s. But What I could be regressive about is shrinking our massive Government by probably half or more. The Federal government soakes up more money that any entity on the planet. So easy enough way to get our debt under control cut the government in half. Drop the DoE, DoA, IRS(Flat Tax one payment) don’t need them cause there are no deductions cept maybe for donations. Don’t need DHS, DEA drop the failed war on drugs, Don’t need DIA or CIA pick one intelligence agency, and if the states did their job we wouldn’t need the FBI either. The DoA employs more people than we have Farms in the country. Put border patrol under DoD like the Coast Guard. And get rid of most of the Federal Judges 1 Federal Court per state plus SOTUS. Only SOTUS is authorized by the Constitution anyway all these other lower courts are not…The whole issue between us is I know what my family needs and I either know how to provide it or I will figure it out. You and all other libtards… think the Government is father and knows best count on them to provide what I can’t figure out how to do on my own. That is the difference between the founding American ideals like myself and millions of others vs yours….You come to this country or born here everyone has the same opportunities to make something of themselves. Well unless you’re foreign and open a business and don’t have to pay taxes for 5 or 10 years, oh and they give you money to open your mini mart derka derka muhamedjihad…Oh and if your Mexican you get free college and health care while I can’t afford it and still pay for yours. Oh and they don’t pay taxes.

      • regressive white trash reli

        easy2 answer–

      • hatshepsut

        “Conservatives” in government are the “suits” who want to keep your tax money in their hands so that they can play wild and crazy investment games with interest earnings hits-and-misses. They are bearded gamblers, snakes in the grass, ones who fake singing folk songs to the brash hard metal rock music. Clear enough?

      • white trash religious scum

        gonna have 2 agree there partner!!

      • independantvoter

        The SS is not bankrupt as you said. The Government owes it almost 3 trillion dollars so how can it be bankrupt.

      • For one, all income gets taxed regardless of how much income ,just in case they lose all their wealth they still have an income >In the meantime it shores up the Trust Fund ,plus repay all the money borrowed from the Trust fund. Do want more??????? Besides do you live under a rock since you cannot provide any research that proves SS is bankrupt ,as it stands now there’s enough to pay in full another 30-40 yrs.,so it’s not bankrupt.I’d think CONServatives would embrace SS and SS tax that forces and guarantees people save for retirement and not a burden on society later on. No they can’t think that logically. To greedy and stingy.Dammit what’s mind is mind-tho it isn’t.

      • Thebob

        But doesn’t force anyone to save….That is my money period end of story. I don’t want anyone greedy hands on it but MINE. And that is the problem, they count on the fact that they don’t have to work or save or even care. Its proven fact the more you give someone more and more it degrades them, makes them resentful. This is exactly what the Government wants. It isn’t about having something to fall back on it is about control of the American people making the people rely on the Government for their basic needs…And in 30-40 years when I need my SS it won’t be there as the money has been spent already….Not sure if even a FOI request would show a bank statement for the SS accounts, there is no accountability or oversight on SS when they can just take from it and give it to another department. Sorry, but it isn’t my problem if your granny didn’t save for her future or that you can’t provide for her either….Since most of you are evolutionists this is called survival of the fittest….My reasoning is I hope to save and make enough to live on on my own with our relying on anyone but my family. I guess that is too much to ask of the population. Not saying we shouldn’t take care of our elderly either, but typically this is done by their families. Your parents wiped your ass its time for you to wipe theirs.

      • Thebob

        Also this is still a failed reasoning. SS isn’t a saving or force-able savings. Its giving out free money to people who didn’t plan ahead for their own needs. Now if they took MY SS tax, put into an account with my SSN and Name on it I could agree with something like that. That would then be MY forced savings for MY use. not someone else’s. Now they should then have the ability say I became a millionaire didn’t need it I could donate into the SS pot for someone else to use. But it’s still my money I worked for. Since when did it become that I work for the Government then get my share. I will also be changing my deductions to 0 I will pay what is owned by me on April 15th, I am no longer loaning my money to Fed. for use first then get it all back with my refund. Our problem is this attitude that American have that the rest of the world doesn’t.. We are lazy, wasteful ignorant population. Most of population doesn’t even vote cause they don’t care. They live in this little world with blinders on. If it doesn’t affect me now then I don’t care. But then we have this massive section that believe everything is owed to them like it’s a right. Sorry the rights you have were given to you by our creator, not the government. This is essentially idolatry, people worship the government like a god and believe they need to fix everything. By the Constitution the Federal Government has very little power but that has been screwed up by idiotic voters that are lazy and don’t want to actually have to do anything. Most other countries see a 75-90% voter turn our rate. They actually care about their politics, hell in Australia you HAVE to vote or you are fined….I say if you don’t vote in this country you shouldn’t be allowed any government benefits. Hell people are blind with following the heard that they don’t even know our Economy is ran by the private bankers who only look out for themselves…Going back to a Gold standard would be the first step in returning our country back to greatness, then severly cutting the federal government down to size that we can support. Even with our high corp. taxes and with only the top 10% paying most of the taxes what we have is unsustainable. Hope everyone is preparing for the next crash with next Presidential term cause if you think it’s bad now just wait the next one will make the Great Depression seem small. Our grandparents parents knew how to survive with out walmarts and target on every corner. Have fun in your mega cities of disease corruption and cesspool of our downfall in society.

      • Thebob

        No not all income is taxed…If you get a return, like I do…You most likely are not paying taxes…they may take that money out of your pay check but you aren’t paying taxes except maybe state and local sales taxes….Unless you are making over 60K a year and are single you aren’t paying federal income tax…The only ONLY way to make all incomes pay taxes is to make a flat tax rate 10% for everyone or even better drop income tax all together and make a national sales tax…except for staples…food water, etc….Then nobody could get out of paying taxes…And for you rich hating people you could even add a luxury tax on high priced items like expensive boats or cars costing more than a house, big screen tv’s etc etc….Taxing the top 50% doesn’t work and even then the top 10% pays 60% of the taxes…So keep relying on SS for your retirement hope you like living in poverty…cause you can barely live on SS alone…

      • cybervigilante

        Soc Sec is not bankrupt and not part of the deficit or budget. In fact, the govt has been looting it for decades to balance their books. Broke Soc Sec is a Big Lie moronic Faux viewers are told, again and again.

      • Thebob

        No it may not be “bankrupt” but it is running out of money. SO by 2033 it will only be able to pay out about 3/4ths of it’s payments so either payments will be reduced by 1/4th or we need to kill off about half of our elderly that will collect SS or Raise SS tax more so more Americans get less of their own money. I say we just get rid of it. I didn’t elect or vote for the individuals that are stealing my money. It should be an optional thing at the very least….I DON’T WANT THE GOVERNMENT STEALING MY MONEY…Only point I have. SS is broken and clearly doesn’t work. Hell you can’t even live off it, oh yeah, Foodstamps, healthcare all paid for by more taxes and hard working Americans….You know what F’k it. How about You don’t earn a paycheck at all…100% of it goes to the Government, then you are distributed what the Government deems what you are worth…There you I bet you would like that system better huh?

      • hatshepsut

        Thank you, Jim Mooney. I’m 82 and receive $886. SS per month after a pay put of $105. per month to cover my Medicare premium. Over the years, “bankrupt SS” has been the theme song of idiot “privatizers” like Paul Ryan, (Wall Street’s number one “lobby person” in the Senate) while they shift funds (into pet projects) FDR dedicated to seniors, after the seniors had payed into the program from pay checks they earned. Ryan would sell his children AND his grandmother to privatize the US government, to please Wall Street and the other rich boys in the band that skim and scam their way through their own fortunes and ours.

      • Chet

        hey shit-for-brains, how come you never responded to that little math lesson up there? 🙂 you’re a real idiot.. probably a great guy, but a real idiot.

      • Thebob

        Love people who resort to childish name calling first before even stating one knowledgeable fact. Sure seems to me that you good sir are the real idiot…or Sheeple join the heard to edge of the cliff, will you leap to your death like the rest or break away from the pack and save yourself.

      • guest

        If you think you can retire on “interest” you are economically illiterate, and need social security more than most.

      • Thebob

        Many many many people live off interest earnings alone learn math please. Also it’s called saving, put $100 away every month in a decent account and in 50 years you could retire a millionaire….Then just collect the interest on that or those accounts. Easy enough. Even $1 a day saving it you could have a decent savings to live on. But I guess you are one of those people the government likes so much. The sheeple just following the herd.

      • Ruth Crook

        Buy a calculator, Thebob. That used to be true, but it hasn’t been for a long time. At today’s interest rates it would take about 70 years for your first contribution to double – that’s your first $100, by the way – and even longer for subsequent contributions. So there is no conceivable way you could retire a millionaire on that plan.

      • He won’t buy into your facts Ruth as facts are nuisance for closed minded CONServatives. TheBOB says many-how many ? since the middle class has about disappeared and then you have the very poor,so there’s not many that can find any money in their scarce budget to invest.You live in a dream world In 1973 the ave income was about 34/35,000 a yr ,latest figures of ave income is $32,000 a yr ,so we’ve regressed income wise , and you expect “MANY” to have money to invest.Yeah, I want my “extra” money in WalL Streets hands so they can lose it as they usually do.The only money winners on Wall Street are the wealthy. Not you DumbBob.

      • Thebob

        What figures are you reading…the average American income is $43-$44k a year not $32,000.

        “The minimum wage in the United States has gone up 353% since 1970, and average incomes have gone up approximately 500%. In that same span, however, the cost of basic household goods has gone up 482%, the cost of a four year education has gone up 994%, and the cost of an average home has gone up 917%.”

        The problem isn’t income truly, the problem is cost of living which is all tied directly to big Government over reach, regulations, lazy people collecting the dime off of hard working Americans. The price for food and necessities is about the same as it was in the 70’s with respect to inflation it everything else that has risen 1000% Power, Homes, Gas, Cars, Taxes….What truly do our tax dollars provide except for more erroneously spending and making our congressmen/women rich off our hard working asses. The problem also isn’t the Government it’s the idiots like most of you who vote and keep voting for idiots who lie cheat and steal to get into power. The problem began with lazy American and it will fix by hard working Americans who care.

      • Thebob

        Never said buy stocks there are plenty of ways to save your own money. First is getting out of debt, that is your sole responsibility not mine or the governments job to get you out of debt you got yourself in it figure out how to get out of it. First off we don’t need these 100K college loans when 80% of them are worthless just like the paper they are printed on. Also you trust the government over the private sector, yep I am the dumb one. The government breaks everything it touches, USPS bankrupt, Amtrak bankrupt our country bankrupt or damn near. Our national debt is like $150,000 dollars per PERSON child and adult. You want to loan that to the government be my guest. I say they need to figure out how to live on what they get and not over spend just like I do with my family. I guess you wouldn’t understand that part though. The only thing keeping you from investing in your future is you and you alone. But I guess working hard is out of the question for you since the government will be there for you….maybe.

      • Thebob

        Not talking about a normal bank savings account. If you invest typically over the history the average interest is around 10% growth. So even a conservative investor gets 5% 6% compounded annually, in 30 years starting with $1000 would be $88,000. Okay that is just $100 a month saving it. Now let me take SS tax of $242 a month that the Government says it is for me would be $242,000 in 30 years. This is just a conservative estimate. So the avg SS payment is $1294 that is just under $16,000 a year. If you can live on that then the $242K would last you 15 years…Now say you don’t have a mortgage, say a $800/mo payment. Saving $800/mo 30 years @ 5% growth $675K. Now lets divide that by the average SS payment of $1294 that would be over 500 payments of 1294 43.3 years….Now say I only live for 15 years after i retired would give me $45,000 a year to live on…plus or minus a few years. The average investor, not playing stocks, Roth-IRA, IRA’s mutual funds earn around 8-10% a year on their investments depending the how the market fluctuates. Now that $242 ss tax a month saved for 30 years @ 8% $365,000 would give me 23 years of $1294/mo. payments. living on $16k a year. Say i doubled my living @ 2500/mo. I would have 12 years of $2500/mo. Personally I don’t trust my future to a corrupt bankrupt debt backed institution. The Government and Banks and Corporations want to keep you in debt and relying on the Government.

      • Ruth Crook

        Now you are talking about dividends and capital gains, not interest. Stocks do not pay interest. Bonds do, but the return on bonds is ordinarily less than that on stocks unless they are junk bonds, in which case you could lose your principal. I don’t know what you think mutual funds are, but they are comprised of either stocks or bonds in almost all cases. Besides that, your figures are so far off they are hilarious. Buy a book on business math.

      • regressive white trash reli

        if U have an IRA paying 10% I want in

      • guest

        Lets do that math that we were pleased to learn. You save $100 per month for 50 years in a savings account with a 2% APR, which is a very good rate considering todays interest rates. In 50 years you will have $102,425 to retire. Lets assume you live for 10 more years. You will be able to pay yourself $854 a month. The average social security pay out is $1,294.

      • demidan

        “I won’t even dignify him by calling him a libtard”, Dignify,,, do you even know what that means?

        P.S. “.I want my money now”,,,reminds me of the phrase “A fool and his money,,,”.

      • Thebob

        Digify-make (something) seem worthy and impressive. Yes, that is exactly what I was trying to imply over you…A fool and his money…I believe it is foolish to think the Government knows best what to do with my money…Seems pretty simple to me old man.

      • Ruth Crook

        “It’s the It’s mine mentality that has broken this country”, you say. And that is exactly what you are displaying, along with your incivility, bad grammar and lack of knowledge of history. We “libtards” are not spitting the hate here; you are. Didn’t your mother teach you any manners? You say that God comes first with you, but I don’t believe that He would approve of your behavior right now.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        his “GOD” perhaps is that white trash regressive loser “Christian” god ( jeeeesus) who hated the wealthy and wanted us to help poor and sick and elderly; but NOW scumbags in the GOP have made JEEEESUS a wall street banker and a creepy KOCH brothers legend…

      • Thebob

        Jesus also said not to kill your children, yet we abort millions a year….What does that say about YOUR GOD, or YOUR JEEEESUS….Soros is way more creepy than Koch brothers. Do you know he turned in his own kind the the SS, also changed their name to Soros to hide their Jewish heritage, Soros is a D-bag and doesn’t care about anyone or anything but money.

      • regressive white trash reli

        im agnostic,,so “god” is not defined by man

      • Thebob

        LMAO…No, that is not what has broken this country. It’s people like you whom think that what I work for, for my family is yours to freely give out to someone else who didn’t earn it or even try to earn it. Sorry dude you are way off base….I believe in helping out my fellow man/women/children when in hard times but not permanently like most of you do…Lose your okay, unemployment insurance, cool, not for 3 years or 2 years maybe 1 year. You can’t find a job in a year YOU’RE just lazy. Food Stamps, been there was grateful I had them even working and going to school they helped, but guess what I didn’t want hand outs took what I needed then got off of them and I don’t plan on going back. Unlike other people who just keep popping out kids so they continue to get their benefits. Or scam the system so their entire family is deemed “disabled” and collect of the system….Yes I think we should give a helping hand, a hand not the whole freaking arm head and body….Sorry It is people like you who have broken this country join in the line Sheeple, while the heard heads off the edge of the cliff you can wait your turn to jump.

      • Ruth Crook

        I don’t think you are a bad person. Just an undereducated nitwit. BTW – using “whom” doesn’t make you sound learned unless you use it correctly.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        “GOD”????? which “god” are u referring to??
        would it be the dead homosexual jewish carpenter named jesus who we know only about 7% of his life?
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        that ” god”? really? U buy that ,alarkey??

      • Christain ,since most right wingers like to say they are Christian. If you don’t buy into a Jesus /God and you turn out to be wrong,where does that leave you ?…..very HOT and up a shit creek.

      • regressive white trash reli

        not particularly bright; are ya’???
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        NOTE: Im agnostic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and U probably do NOT know what that means

      • Thebob

        Agnostic, You think you are a wanna be atheist but just can’t come to deny that a God/Creator/Something bigger than ourselves exists. I am Christian, I believe that Jesus died for our sins, and God is the only God there is or ever was. Same God as the Jews and Muslims Just a different interpretation. There is no your God or their God, there is God and what opinion you make him/her/it out to be.

      • regressive white trash reli

        wrong again,,,,,,,,,,,,, atheism is as daft and dogmatic ( degree) as belief-oriented religion; agnostics don’t know and don’t care. GOD is too big to be defined by some life form which has the finite value of “man”—yet soooooooooo many TRY to; thus– problems all eternity for mankind

      • Thebob

        Um, I only worship one and that is God, Jesus is the Son of God not a god himself. For a man who lived only 30 years on this planet thousands of years ago, he is probably one of the most well known historical figures on the planet. So yeah, there isn’t another god just God our creator, the father of the universe….That God!

      • regressive white trash reli

        at least U are NOT one of these lemminsg who TRY ( and fail) to tell us that JEEEESUS is “god”
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        epilogue: you; jesus and I– as well as all humans– are “gods” children
        ,,,and he is well known because of the money and power generated by the smart scumbags-throughout history– who proliferate his limited life into something beyond what actually happened
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      • Thebob

        Humans aren’t God’s children…We were created in his likeness that is all. We are free live as we choose to, since been given free will to do so, as all men are/were created equal. Not equal in status or stature or wealth but equal in the right that we all have to live and be free.

      • Thebob

        Don’t you mean malarkey??? I will give you one though since English isn’t your first language, chica.

      • regressive white trash reli

        comma key next to M key
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        nice try brainiac,,,,,,,,,,,, care to expostulate in a symposium with me regarding job creation and deficits/surpluses VISAVIS repubs and democrats in the past 39 yrs>>?????

      • Thebob

        Which was what again? You use too many big words for my white simple brain….

      • regressive white trash reli

        agreed,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        see my below post allowing your oligophreniality to be acceptable in our current expostulation
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        ,,,,now– about your quip regarding my “1st language”…………………..VOOTIE??

      • hatshepsut

        You’re just a g.d.jewel of a trouble-maker, aren’t you…bless your heart.

      • Jesus to PARAPHRASE.”If you will not help the least among,then I will not help you” CONs ignore that .BTW did Jseus state any exceptions , like except the poor, the elderly, the disabled, the children, the criminal, the prostitute etc etc NO! he didn’t so deal with it or your not a Christian.

      • Thebob

        How about your Jesus condemning abortions not to kill your children…Oh wait that’s my Jesus, I guess your Jesus thinks murdering unborn children is okay and holy….Go Phil…Abort babies cause Jesus said to….

      • regressive white trash reli

        up to the woman involved; not some dead jewish carpenter

      • Thebob

        Not at all, the choice to MURDER isn’t a choice period…What is a choice is to have sex and if you chose to have sex you either need to except the consequences or do it responsibly…Once that baby is conceived what choice do they have? Who fights for their right to live….Have you ever watched an abortion? I have the baby tries to move away from the needle the suck their brains out with through a tube into a waste bin….Did you know more than half of abortions are from black women alone…..The other is your kind….then whites and Asians….To bad your parents didn’t instill some values upon your soulless body.

      • regressive white trash reli

        I prefer to have regressive tea party white trash religious scum elocute such anecdotes as ” rape is gods way of ,,,,,,,” or ” legitimate rape” or ” when rape is evident just take it”
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        that’s “your kind”,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        kinda gets ya’ choked up with emotion,,, eh?

      • regressive white trash reli

        values ? …such as all the dead and maimed soldiers in your lie based republican war?

        awww,,,a fetus is dead,,,,,,

        NOTE: your sacrosanct bible says baby not living until he breathes
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      • Thebob

        I think most people in our country can agree on the fact that we all need to help our poor sick eldery and disabled. What I disagree with is not giving them the means to help themselves, but just give them what they expect and to keep it…. People get bitter and resentful and then in-turn and become entitled….We have this entitled mentality in this country that is what is destroying us…People expect the government to take care of them and it shouldn’t be that way, they should be expected to take care of themselves, but rely on subsidies/handouts/food stamps if they need it to get back on their feet…. Families spend generations on food stamps because that has become the norm for them…No work ethic, no skills, just plain lazy. I know people who take the time to deal with all the paper work to get disability just so they don’t have to work…They also then get crack heads to sign up and give them their food stamps/disability money for their drugs…This happens all the time…There needs to be limits to generosity… You can’t help and addict get off drugs or alcohol, they have to want to do, this is the issue, we just have lazy ass American who feel entitled to what everyone else has, because they are bitter cold people….We need to help the people who NEED it not give handouts to lazy ass people…

      • and the opposite of Libtards are greedy stingy ,self absorb, self centered ,soulless, heartless Rethugs

      • Ruth Crook

        Good luck, kiddo! The rate of interest on savings these days is less than the rate of inflation. Have a nice retirement!

      • Thebob

        Yes on a normal savings bank account. Not our economy. It is typically 2-4% above inflation. If you don’t think that then I guess you shouldn’t like your dear leaders policies then, cause they’re destroying our economy and inflation rates will sky rocket the moment the Fed stops propping up our economy. Expect the Great Depression x10.

      • Ruth Crook

        Either your youth or your abject ignorance is showing.

      • Thebob

        Specific to what. I love how you all just say something is ignorance then don’t follow up on it. Welp I call that being ignorant yourself..

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey schmuck,,,,,,should I be as pedantic as you and decry “didn’t U mean H elp”? “,,,or is English NOT your 1st language”?
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        naaaah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I see the relation of L to P on the keyboard,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        NOTE: its juxtaposition is distinctly worse then my failure of “M” to the comma key—
        see? its easy to not be a crybaby regressive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, especially when Im dealing with an ostensibly limited intellect such as you
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        shall we further pursue the ambiguity in “lexiphania”?

      • Rosegarten

        Hey, I have a bridge in the desert to sale you. Good price too.

      • cybervigilante

        The only good Republican is a dead Republican.

      • Thebob

        Glad to know you are a psychopath/sociopath/sicafant I am not a Republican so I am safe right?

  • rossbro

    Right, Betty. All I hear is that Repubs want to ‘privatize’ Social Security ( so their owners can make more money while screwing the US public.

  • Rob Bailey

    Raise the cap. Period. End of story.
    Many of us have for years earned enough to max out on the Social Security cap. That’s a good thing. Just imagine if we kept it going beyond the first $115K or so of our incomes. We wouldn’t really miss it, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
    What’s truly funny is that there’s likely a majority of con voters that don’t even come close to maxing out on SS taxes, draw Medicare of Medicaid, and still vote (R) and absolutely effing HATE Obamacare.
    Americans are stupid.

  • The Reader

    Too many seniors grew up trusting government. Unfortunately, they still believe what they hear, warts and all.
    Except for possibly AARP, seniors are not getting updated on the reality of their benefits and too many are still relying on someone else to tell them what to think..
    What they don’t seem to realize is that seniors don’t have to worry about websites and buying new insurance. In many ways, they have it easier than the rest of the country despite the spin on Obamacare.
    As a senior myself, I know seniors could and should learn about the actual benefits and how lucky we are to have them.

  • cybervigilante

    I see that here in Apache Junction. The old retards sit around drinking their cheap senior coffee at McDonalds, and grousing about ‘Bama Socialism. They don’t seem to grasp they’re on SOCIAL Security, duh. And Medicare is another social program.

  • Bar Baxter

    This has already happened once–under Reagan. People on Social Security at that time were assured that THEY wouldn’t be affected, so they didn’t object. Of course, the NEXT generation of retirees (many of whom are still alive) DID suffer a reduction in benefits.

    The GOP will continue with this tactic until, eventually, there will be nothing left–or at least such a small amount that 70- and 80-year olds will have to continue working

    (or move in with their adult children). Are we all ready for that?