Don’t Think the Shutdown was a Big Deal? Tell That to the People Whose Lives Were Devastated

pamela-harrisFollowing the deal that ended our government shutdown and raised the debt ceiling, I’ve seen quite a few comments from people with a cynical view of the shutdown, basically shrugging their shoulders and implying that nobody really noticed the government was closed to begin with.

Sure, many Americans probably didn’t feel any impact due to the government shutdown, but many others did.  Not only did they feel the impact, it devastated their lives.

While Republicans liked to use our national monuments as staging grounds for photo-ops and talking points, they seemed to only focus on the cheap “outrage” of military veterans not being able to visit sites like the WWII monument.  Sure, it made for a great headline, but that’s all it was—a headline.

“How dare you barricade veterans from having access to these monuments dedicated to them!  Obama’s not an American!”

Well, that’s what a government shutdown is.  They wanted it, they got it.  Then they whined about the ramifications.

What they failed to mention were the lives that were devastated due to the closure of our national parks and monuments.  Those Americans whose livelihood relies on tourism to these places.  Those families who lost out on over two weeks of revenue — approaching the holiday season, no less — because some Republicans in Congress felt like throwing a tempter tantrum over “Obamacare.”

Take Estes Park, Colorado for instance.  A community already trying to clean up from terrible summer floods, hit with another disastrous blow when our government was shut down.  A town that relies heavily on tourism and was already reeling due to the flooding which washed away roads and drove that tourism away — then had to overcome the closure of the Rocky Mountain National Park, which caused some businesses to layoff workers.

Then add the fact that as the state recovers from the massive flooding, some of the government workers they needed to help speed up the process weren’t working—because they had been furloughed.

This is a story you won’t see Ted Cruz talk about, because it won’t get him as many headlines as showing up to a march in Washington, D.C., at a war monument.

You also won’t see him talk about the lives in California that were impacted by the shutdown due to Yosemite being closed.  Lives that weren’t even really beginning to recover from the horrific wildfires they faced a few weeks back then had to deal with this asinine government shutdown.

People like Pamela Harris, who ran a local deli that counted on tourist traffic. “I’m not able to make any of my bills,” she told CBS News in a heartbreaking interview. “That’s why I have to be out by the end of the month.  Can’t pay my rent, can’t pay my electricity, can’t—I’m gonna leave here in debt.”

After 10 years in business, she’s going out of business because of the shutdown.  A shutdown Ted Cruz pushed so heavily for, simply to further his political aspirations for president and pander to the tea party.

Because he wanted to win a few straw polls, and get his name some recognition, people like Ms. Harris have lost their homes and their businesses.

Or there’s somebody like John Anderson.  A line cook at the American Indian Smithsonian Museum who was already struggling, living paycheck to paycheck, is now living day to day after going over two weeks without pay.  He’s not a government employee, he’s a contract worker.  There’s no backpay for him.  The last 2+ weeks of him not working are two weeks of much needed income he’ll never get back.

But that’s okay, John Boehner really didn’t want to risk losing his position as Speaker of the House.  So he blocked the vote on the Senate’s clean continuing resolution and shut down the government. Who cares if that meant Mr. Anderson didn’t get pay for two weeks?  Boehner needed to pander to the tea party as long as possible so he could keep his job safe.  That’s all that matters, right?

And these stories barely scratch the surface of the thousands of similar stories that could be told in this country.  American lives that were devastated, some permanently, because Republicans felt like playing partisan politics to accomplish a goal they stood absolutely no chance at accomplishing.

So while it made great headlines for right-wing media pundits to talk about the “appalling” act of closing war memorials to veterans, they seemed to forget the stories of the lives terribly damaged because their party would rather try to burn this country to the ground just to spite President Obama and anything he supports.

I just hope that by next November, voters don’t forget the stories of Estes Park and Yosemite, already devastated by floods and wildfires and then dealt a completely unnecessary nail in the coffin from congressional Republicans.  I hope we don’t forget the stories of John Anderson and Pamela Harris, and the thousands of others in similar situations whose lives have been turned upside down due to a cowardly act of political grandstanding.

I hope we all remember how the ridiculous antics of the Republican party were the direct cause of so many lives being devastated.  All for a pointless government shutdown that was driven by their ignorance, their pride and their need to pander to the right-wing tea party extremists running their pathetic excuse for a political party.

Image via CBS News

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Ric

    The problem with outrage about this is that the movers and shakers who brought this down on the country and on these victims’ heads don’t care. To them this suffering and devastation simply don’t exist. The deeper question is where are the normal politicians in the Republican Party? Until they decide to work together to purge the party of the sociopaths like Cruz and the rest of the Tea Party (a name which insults the original rebels of the Revolution) there will be no change from these devastating insults to the citizens of the United States. On the other hand, the so-called normal politicians of the RP have had several years to put a stop to this behavior. They have not done so, nor shown any inclination to do so. They are now part of the problem. The only solution now is in the hands of the electorate. I seriously recommend burning the RTP, all of it, to the ground. They have become, willingly, a clear and present danger to the political, social, and economic health of the United States.

    • Kathy Stanisich

      Those employed by the government who was affected by the shutdown are getting their money. The senators have already started getting their money back. One senator posted his check on fb which he is returning to the treasury. For the 16 day our senators received almost $6,000.00 dollars. In fact Cruz is the one who started giving their salaries back to the treasury. It is the administration that chose the programs to shut down. The Republicans need to stop fighting among themselves and come up with a strategy plan.

      • tnlib

        You must have your head up a very dark hole. To give up their checks (btw, Cruz said he was giving his salary to charity) means NOTHING to these congress members who are already incredibly rich from lining their pockets with corporate money (I think it’s called “whoring out). It is not a sacrifice to them at all. They aren’t losing their businesses, or finding themselves in a position of not being able to feed their kids, or get life-saving medical care for their veteran family members, or pay their house notes.

        Pssst. The Tea Party extremists are the ONLY ones at fault and the best thing the Republicans can do, if they hope to save their party at all, is to kick the bastards out. Many are beginning to do that, including the Houston Chronicle which has withdrawn their endorsement of that egotistical narcissistic maniac called Ted Cruz. If you think he gives a tinker’s damn about you and anyone else not a member of the 1%, you are seriously deluded.

      • kcponte

        Couldn’t have said it better.

      • Informer

        Actually, the Senate can take a vote on Cruz and if 2/3’s vote to remove him from Senate then he’s out.

      • Gene Smith

        But if one Republican decides to filibuster, 2/3 would have to vote to break the filibuster before they could then vote on Cruz. No one is going to turn on someone in their own party–they did not turn on Joe McCarthy, another famous Republican demagogue.

      • gemma liar

        who- bytheway– looks eeeerily like that pretty ( and double chinned ) ted trash cruz

      • Americangirl1964

        let’s see what you look like. LOL

      • gemma liar

        ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,go to facebook and look up veronica velasquez,,,, she has 2 profiles. one has her photo; one is of a tiger and lion in water circling each other. she is an EX of mine( I broke it off w her; she will corroborate this) and we remain very close…im in her friends list: victor wiley. Go look at my photos- 6’21/2 211 lbs. verrrry athletic….. go look,,,and then look at my friends list: Katherine Hale is my current girlfriend. NOTE : all ALL all women I have in my life thtoughOUT my life have had this in common- NOT overweight,,,, long brown hair ( occasional blonde, but I prefer brown and straight) and they ALL have very beeeee-uuuutiful breasts( natural of COURSE) . To summarize: slim and somewhat athletic women with big boobs. NON druggies,,,NON alcoholics,,,,,NO ANGER issues. Get back when U have done your homework and try2 mock me then

      • tnlib

        I’ve heard this but on what grounds I wonder.

      • Americangirl1964

        I believe you are referring to Impeachment from Presidency, not to remove a Senator.

      • Americangirl1964

        And furthermore, it is not impeachment it is censure or expulsion..and it’s for disorderly behavior. LOL Cruz was not disorderly. He was doing this job you nut jobs!

      • Informer

        I didn’t mention the word impeachment, you did, I said they can be removed from office. Cruz was NOT doing his job, Cruz was holding the country hostage for his own political gain. Just as he and Sarah Palin did by hijacking the veterans march on DC for their own political and personal gain. I’m a veteran and what they did was absolutely disgusting being as how neither one of them has served in the military, they had NO right to be there. Am I a veteran, you’re damn right I am and what they did was disgusting!

      • gemma liar

        doing his “JOB”>???? voting to screw americans by shutting down govt???? If I caused anyone I worked for to have to nSHUT DOWN business I suspect I would be fired———-luckily I am self employed as a chef

      • Informer

        Research honey, a Senator or Congress person can be removed in precisely the same manner.

      • Michael Brooks

        There are Bitches amongst the Bastards. LOL

      • Americangirl1964

        I believe you are the biggest bastard of all.

      • Informer

        What the heck are you even doing on a progressive page to start with? Is your conservative pages that damn boring? You are a joke honey just like Cruz and his employers, the Koch brothers, lol, even they left him out to hang flapping in the breeze stating that they never intended for him to shut the government down, that that’s not what they asked of him or PAID him for, I think he got around $750,000 contributed to his campaign from them for his little stunt, so I heard, you know his PAC (political action committee).

      • Beth

        “get life-saving medical care for their veteran family members”
        That’s not accurate. VA hospitals were not closed by the Shutdown. Also, regular care hospitals are required to take Vets in emergencies and the VA hospitals are required to reimburse them. Not many people realize that.

        I realize that wasn’t the major point of your post. Just pointing it out.

      • Americangirl1964

        Honey you don’t know your asshole from the hole in ground. You’re pathetic and really need to educate yourself as to who is “whoring out”. This administration has taken so much money from the elites and big corporate businesses, but that’s something you don’t know shit about do you. You just listen to the liberal diatribe. Disgusting!

      • Informer

        Lol, honey,that is precisely what he said, so what are you arguing about?

      • Americangirl1964

        LOL HONEY! Go read what he said again. Dumbass!

      • gemma liar

        after reading your vitriol here I now am willing to wager that U are either flatchested or overweight,,,,,OR BOTH

      • hdtex

        Americangirl knows ALL about assholes….She’s living in one.

      • gemma liar

        shes not an asshole,,,,,, she s just pissed that she is flatchested / overweight,,,or (UGGH) BOTH

      • Mike Williams

        $6,000 for two weeks…His other income, is he returning that as well? or is this simply another bullshit gesture aimed at making him look great? It is meaningless drivel. The people that were affected by the shutdown did not earn $6,000 in two weeks.

        Our country lost $24 billion at this rate it will take 1,846 years for Mr. Cruz to replace what was lost.

      • Kathy Stanisich

        We are spending the next 2 generations money b/c of our nations debt. We will never be able to pay off the $17 trillion that our government has accumulated and our present President accumulated a little over $6 trillion of that $17. It needs to stop today. All senators including Reid got their paycheck. Do you see Reid returning it? As far as the discussion I am trying to say that we don’t need to add to the $17 trillion. The AHC is not working. It is costing more jobs, people are not able to choose or stay with the healthcare they have and premiums are going up. Except for the upper 1% Americans most of us are feeling the crisis and will continue to get worse until the debt ceiling is dealt with. The very people that our President said it wouldn’t touch.

      • hdtex

        Kathy you are really pretty stupid if you think the current administration is spending too much. This administration is spending the LEAST amount of money since Eisenhower. Get your facts straight before you spout your stupidity for all to see. Teabagging idiot.

      • Terry Cooper

        Kathy, is prone to believing what she is told as long as it makes her feel frightened and paranoid, AND self-righteous.

      • MoodyCreator

        It’s such a giveaway too. How many times have you read that very same “retort”? I wonder if any single one of them can tell you who originally said those things. I also think it would be interesting to see if they could pull all of these talking points and canned responses from memory and articulate them in any way that could even make them mean the same thing in the same wrong way… Now THAT is a reality/game show I would actually watch at least once.

      • Americangirl1964

        OMG!! You people are fricken idiots!! Numbers don’t lie. Again…economics 101. How can you stand your stupid self?!

      • hdtex

        Care to cite any sources you moron or did yyou just come here to troll and stomp your feet? Teabagging [email protected]

      • gemma liar

        stupid yes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,”pretty”??? Im willing to wager serious aesthetic failure and severe steatopygia

      • June Maulfair

        So the debt rising 6 trillion dollars under Obama is, what, an optical illusion? You are the one who is ideologically blinded. If you don’t like the real facts you just make up your own….

      • Jennifer LaRose

        Do you know WHY it rose that much? Because he put the two wars on the books as soon as he got into office. Bush had been running both wars with Emergency Supplementals to keep them off the books so that the country wouldn’t know how much he was spending.

      • Informer

        Don’t forget about Medicare Part D, Bush kept that off the books as well, Obama put it on the books like he did the 2 wars.

      • trenaherringtonchapman

        I’m glad I’m not the only one who remembers that fiasco. Totally off the budget. And, drug companies made out like bandits.

      • Americangirl1964

        You idiot! How do you think they initially funded Obamacare? I’m not going to give you an answer, but will reiterate what you told someone …do your own research on the FACTS!! You idiot!! But I will give you a hint….Medicare. Your pathetic!

      • Informer

        That would be you’re, it’s kind of hard to hold a debate with someone that doesn’t even have a grasp on grammar let alone the political process. I did my research darlin’. The ACA is not funded through Medicare. The ACA is insurance which you either purchase through the ACA website or through another private insurance company or keep what you have through your employer. It’s paid for with premiums that either you have to personally pay or your employer pays or a combination thereof. Yes medicare was to be expanded to give insurance to the poor who currently have no insurance and choose to go to the ER to see a Dr for a cold or what have you which in turn drives up hospital costs and insurance costs for everyone else. Some states elected NOT to expand their Medicare programs thus leaving those people without insurance still. But what’s really odd with you is you come in here like gang busters calling people names like a kid in junior high and have yet to offer one verifiable fact or link, lol, you’re spouting off just like Cruz, which means you’ve bought his b/s hook, line and sinker. Good luck with that in the future, lol.

      • hdtex

        You are simply too stupid to continue breathing. Please self-abort.

      • hdtex

        “I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I?”

      • Americangirl1964

        Bullshit! You idiot!!! UGH!!! You people are stupid! The school of Obama! Numbskull!! Go back in…before a house falls on you.

      • Informer

        She’s telling the truth, it’s been proven. Get your head out of the clouds and do some research. It’s funny how you people go ballistic when the truth is given to you. You really have been eating the Cruz and Fox News propaganda a little too much.

      • Americangirl1964

        Truth! You have your head up your ass so fricken far!! YOU NEED TO GO GET THE FACTS! You obviously haven’t done any research!

      • Informer

        You are becoming quite predictable in your tirades but I’m tiring of debating or should I say attempting to debate one with absolutely no skills in that area at all. All you have is a nasty mouth I’m sure your mother is proud of. It’s quite obvious to anyone reading who has done research and who hasn’t. Good luck to you in the future because darlin’ you surely need it. lol

      • hdtex

        Americangirl is a proud high school dropout. She used to give $2.00 hand jobs before her looks gave out.

      • hdtex

        “I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I?”

      • hdtex

        All in a days work of cleaning up after 8 years of war criminals and thieves. Now June….go pound sand….into the orifice of your choice.

      • Americangirl1964

        You’re idiot! You really need to stop your propaganda bullshit….cuz you sound like an idiot that you are.

      • hdtex

        “I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I?”

      • Americangirl1964

        HDtex…you’re moron. I suggest you look at numbers honey. They don’t lie. So before you spout off your idiocy get your facts straight…You liberal moron!!!

      • Informer

        Such a nasty little mouth you have. You are part of the problem with this country. You have no idea how the political machine works, how the government works and you’re just here to defend your idol Cruz, there is no defense for what he did, even his own idols the Koch Brothers kicked his butt to the curb and left him hanging, lol.

      • hdtex

        Care to cite or refute you insufferable teabagging Koch suckingKeep teabagging….and remember…..NO TEETH!

      • hdtex

        “I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I? I know you are but what am I!?!?”

      • KatieDancer

        When Clinton left office there was a surplus. I’m blaming Bush, Cheney, and the unnecessary war they created for personal profits. It didn’t work out for them but it bankrupted this country on so many levels. So, so, many levels.

      • Gene Smith

        Part of the problem is also Clinton’s, as he kept Alan Greenspan as head of the FED. Greenspan believed in the Ayn Rand’s (Russian born, who hated the Communist controlled market) philosophy that any government interference in the free market would create a bad outcome, even in regulating fraud. The market would self-regulate, according to Rand and Greenspan. Greenspan refused to try to regulate the derivative machinations, and without regulation, the derivative fiasco almost bankrupted the market, which would have led to a world wide super great depression. Governments intervening saved us, but at a great cost. Alan Greenspan has since admitted he was wrong. Whoopee! (This is still the ideology of the Republican Party–Ronald Reagan was a great salesman.)

      • Michael D Barber

        Yes, by killing Glass-Steagall, it allowed banks to consolidate the kinds of shenanigans you talked about with Wall Street. Elizabeth Warren is trying to fix that.

      • Informer

        We need 99 more Warrens! She talks straight from the hip and gets in the face of those Wall St idiots. She is one tough lady.

      • Everybodhi

        Clinton has admitted he made a mistake with Glass Steagall.
        And gay marriage.
        At least he admits it.

      • Kelly Shelton

        And so ironically, Rand died while living on welfare….

      • Val

        I thought it was Social Security.

      • Quirky

        It was.

      • i don’t blame Clinton for the actions of Greenspan. I do agree with the rest of what you say, though.

      • gemma liar

        amen !!!!!

      • KatieDancer

        So did Bush!

      • Ilpalazzo

        It wasn’t a real surplus folks. It was a projected surplus on paper with very high interest loans, so when it was due it was much larger.

      • Ann-Marie Heschle

        When we were involved in WWII, in fact any war we have been involved, taxes went up I order to be able to fund. The refusal to raise taxes has also impacted the amount of debt.

      • Americangirl1964

        HELLO!!! The spending is impacting our debt. Are you people stupid!? It’s crazy to see all the idiotic comments. It’s economics 101!!

      • hdtex

        I doubt you graduated high school let alone economics class. Keep teabagging girl…..And by “girl” I mean 50 year old hag.

      • Americangirl1964

        Do you know how Clinton balanced the budget knucklehead? He took our social security surplus to balance it!! Go look it up!!! OMG!!!

      • Informer

        Uhh, no he didn’t. It’s against the law to touch the trust fund that social security is in. Social security is managed totally separate from the actual budget. As you said OMG, go look it up! lol

      • hdtex

        OMG! You are such an EFFING BAGGER! SUCK HARDER! NO TEETH!

      • Informer

        Are you really buying that drivel that it’s costing jobs?? Really?? The mandate for companies doesn’t go into effect until Jan 2015! Did you see that date?? Jan 2015!! Those are lies created by the people who are against the ACA to scare people into voting for these extremists idiots! So if a company is telling you that they are having to cut people in order to survive they are telling one big fat lie as the ACA doesn’t affect them at all right now! Don’t perpetuate the lies that these people want you to help spread!

      • MoodyCreator

        So that would mean, that not only is it a healthcare plan…it’s a clairvoyant, psychic healthcare plan? Does anyone even realize how *freaking* COOL that is? CHA-ching!

      • Informer

        Amazing, isn’t it?? lol

      • Ellen Backke

        The delay until 2015 really doesn’t mean much. Most large companies and many mid-sized companies are self-insured. They pay an insurance company to administer the program and the company pays the claims. A smaller or mid-sized company will pay claims up to a certain amount and have secondary insurance that pays claims over that set amount.

      • Informer

        Yes, I know that Ellen, I’m merely talking about the mandate by the ACA law. The point you mention also leads to the fallacy of the ACA costing jobs as claimed by the tea party nuts. I’m self-employed, I pay my own insurance as I have since I left full time employment. The last company I worked for full time was self insured so the new mandate wouldn’t affect them to begin with because they were already paying as you so eloquently stated.

      • Michael Brooks

        What do you mean January 2015? It goes into effect January 2014!

      • Informer

        Check your facts Michael, it goes into effect for individuals Jan 2014, it doesn’t go into effect with companies with 50 or more employees until Jan 2015.

      • Ken

        The vast majority of that $6 trillion was because Obama added the cost of the 2 wars TO the “books” (budget), that Bush had kept OFF the “books”. And the a lot rest was medicare part D that was also kept out of the budget. Obama’s cut the deficit in half since coming into office, as well. Stop watching and listening to right wing storytellers and join the rest of us in reality.

      • Exactly!

      • MoodyCreator

        I think he also returned SS to the budget too, and that’s okay. POTUS can move budget items around (certain ones). Obama needed a realistic picture of just how much $ he was really looking at as the deficit. Of course, he can move any of those same things too, off or on, but wars – no, those aren’t among the items. They go ON, and then stay on until paid. Bush must have been too busy to bother making sure that all was in order at least to that degree.

      • Michael Brooks

        FOX “News” is BAD NEWS!

      • Americangirl1964

        Are you even educated?

      • Informer

        More so than you I bet. I bet he knows the difference between your, you’re and you are, which is more than I can say for you.

      • Americangirl1964

        LOL…here we go with the minutia nit picking. They are called typos (but you wouldn’t know that) and we aren’t being graded! But now that you bring it up…. take a look at your above grammar. Typical idiot response! I have a degree. YOU? By your ignorance…I would bet not. You probably suck off the tax payers dollars because “you’re” a lazy ass!

      • Informer

        Lol, now now, there was nothing wrong with what I said. I have a degree as well and own my own company as well which is a high technology firm. I’m one of those that pays my own insurance. The point to that is the ACA that you keep spouting about, let me clue you in on something. Before that became law I had BCBS quote me at $2400 per month for insurance, yes I have a pre-existing condition. Since the ACA passed the same BCBS quoted me at $762 per month. As you are so fond of the economy 101, do the math yourself. Your’s were not typos darlin’ because if they were then your typing skills suck as bad as your debating skills. Notice I’ve not once referred to you as an idiot or ignorant or any of those words that you seem to be so fond of, but a lack of civility is one of the number one traits of the tea party klan.

      • hdtex

        BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Americangirl is a proud low IQ voter and member of “Fox Nation”…..Keep teabagging girl! And remember…..NO TEETH!

      • hdtex

        Grade school grammar fails the teabagging troll but WE are the ones who need to get educated…..BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!

      • gemma liar

        to quote “saint” Reagan,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ” there U go again” ,,,,,with those silly little NON FOX “news” facts

      • Americangirl1964

        You people live in Obama’s fantasy world. The land of the misinformed!

      • Informer

        It’s more like you are sucked up Cruz’s dark place and believe every word he spouts off which has been proven time and again to be wrong! lol

      • Pepo

        Sorry you’re misinformed. Like people have said Obama’s debt number is higher because he put Bush’s “off balance sheet” debt in the books. Also, you repeat talking points from Faux News like the ACA is costing jobs, when there is zero credible evidence. In fact, in my field I see more jobs popping up. See, I can also quote anecdotal evidence. Finally, the big elephant, the debt number. Yes, it is high, but TOTAL US wealth is over $50 trillion! If you’re going to quote the liability, then also quote the asset. If you’re going to treat the US as a corporation, which is incorrect, at least do it right. Many very successful corporations carry a debt load much higher than the US and they are considered healthy. The trick is to reduce deficit spending so that the debt doesn’t continue to go up, but the main driver to reduce debt is growth and you need to spend to growth, just like any corporation. So, better educate yourself before posting stuff that you hear on Faux. Remember, the more you listen to that dribble the more uninformed you become, and an academic study actually proved that!

      • MoodyCreator

        I love it. You can always tell when somebody actually might know a little about what they’re saying. First clue? You haven’t already seen it 121 before your lunch break. The 2nd? It has a little more detail and explanation for why the canned rant is BS, then shows a snapshot of how they know that. No wonder Santorum warned them all about “Smart People”.

      • gemma liar

        FOX “news” ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, fair and balanced ( just like glenn becks persona)

      • Ann-Marie Heschle

        The funding of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq during the Bush adm was not part of the budget,,made things look good…smoke and mirrors!

      • kcponte

        Do you not do your research before posting your crap? The deficit has fallen at the fastest rate in 60 years since Obama has been in office. Just curious, how many jobs are lost due to AHC and how many of them are because of their greedy employers?

      • Paul Keller

        Another simpleton believing the lies spewed by fox news and sara palin.

      • gemma liar

        sarah is a great American,,,,,,,,,,making BIG big money off of the stupidity of CERTAIN americans,,,,,,,,,,,,and she is very sexy- I want her for ONE night: after she buys me a sword fish dinner with asparagus spears and a YOO HOO for my drink!! ( its better than the so-called KOOL ADE the rightwing regressive white trash repeats OVER&OVER&OVER again ala FOX “News”

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        You don’t HAVE to pay off the debt unless you are planning on closing the US. We’ve always had debt, since the first Congress, and will continue to have debt. There is no way we can generate a budget surplus of $17 trillion.

        What’s important is the debt burden–go look it up for yourself. It’s how businesses work, and how your mortgage works. You’ll pay off your mortgage if you want to retire (go out of business), otherwise, you’ll just keep making mortgage payments, which put a very small dent in the principle but allows you to do other things with your money.

        On the other hand, the DEFICIT is the difference between what we spend in a given fiscal year vs. the revenue we bring in. That has been dropping like a rock since 2009, when it was $1,413 billion. It was $973 billion for FY 2013 and is projected to be $577 billion for FY 2015.

        Clinton managed to acquire a budget surplus; when he did, the right wingers kept saying ‘It’s our money; give it back!” It would have been better to pour that money into our infrastructure.

      • Gene Smith

        You cannot cut the debt by reducing spending alone–never been done. You will absolutely increase the debt by reducing revenue, or by creating a recession or a depression a war. Reagan tripled the debt in his 8 years, even though he promised to reduce it with tax cuts. No one complained. Partly because of the Bush tax increases, the debt began to fall during Clinton’s 8 years, so that there was actually a surplus at the end. Bush II cut taxes on the corporations, wealthy and capital gains, guaranteeing deficit spending for the next 15 years (CBO). He also started two wars, but never paid for them out of the budget, but used “emergency appropriations” to fund them. Iraq (no WMD, no valid reason for war) alone will cost over 3 trillion before all said and done. Not a peep about the budget from the right. The adherence to Ayn Rand philosophy by Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush II resulted in deregulation that led to the fiasco in the banking sector, which almost created a super world wide great depression. But not a peep out of the conservatives about this costs. Now when your increased spending (primarily military) and deregulation banking crisis while cutting taxes has resulted in huge deficits, you want to blame the party who has been the only ones to cut the deficits in the last 35 years. Go figure!

      • MoodyCreator

        I’ve heard that they can even avoid the need to cut spending…get this…if they can raise more REVENUE instead! Wouldn’t that be neat?

      • MoodyCreator

        …and “revenue” doesn’t HAVE to be taxes! Yes, I think it’s true! Building stuff, BIG stuff costs money, but it makes even MORE when the building part is complete. Hmmm…what could they build. High Speed Rail? Nah. That wont work either. <insert sarcasm anywhere in the above. heck, move it around and change inflection. That's kinda fun…especially since the "building something" idea never works. Nope..

      • gemma liar

        actually U are wrong,,,, U CAN remove all debt and deficits by cutting spending ONLY!!!! please reference FOX “news ” trash such as Hannity/Huckabee/beck/ and MY FAVE: michelle ” no tits and hating life because of that ” malkin
        …….they will TELL YOU ( not show you,,,TELL YOU) how easy it is- just like the Reagan years and both BUSH administrations

      • MoodyCreator

        No.

      • Why5ks

        Kathy, yes Obama has accumulated almost $6 trillion in debt since he took office. It would be nice if you knew how he did that. I’m tired of people who throw out facts but refuse to acknowledge the extenuating facts too. Like part of that debt is because Obama had to pay for the 2 wars that Bush got us involved in and never included those in his budgets. He never paid for the wars in the normal way, they were added to the books after he left office. You forgot to include the original TARP funds were authorized under Bush and not spent until Obama took office, so yes they get added to Obamas’ debt. The CBO has estimated that only approx. 25% of the debt this country has in a result of Obama and that 41% is the result of Bush. As for Obama’s debt had he not been willing to spend money (even though we borrowed it the interest we are paying it almost ZERO) we would still be stuck in the second worst depression in the history of this country, which Bush also left us with by the way. As for your assessment of ACA (I don’t know where you got AHC from) you are so wrong it is ridiculous. ACA is actually causing many companies who process claims to hire workers. Even though many companies originally said they would be forced to lay off workers and cut jobs because of high costs have found their early estimates to be wrong. A national poll done recently has shown that 85% of large companies are looking to hire or maintain work force now. Yes there are a few vocal idiots who lie about the ACA just like FauxNews and the Republicans do, but it is getting fewer and fewer. Also, some companies like Home Depot did their research and found that in some states their employees could get cheaper insurance from the exchanges and then worked to help their employees through that channel. ACA has saved BILLIONS of dollars already and if the Republicans would start working to fix some of the problems with it instead of destroying it we would be better off. That would make sense since over 85% of the ACA was written by Republicans and the conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation. Yes, the Heritage Foundation that is funded by the Koch Brothers who are now trying to destroy what they created, and all because a Democrat, and a black man at that, was able to get it passed when they never could.

      • Michael D Barber

        Do you know who most of that “debt” is owed to? AMERICANS. Get your head out your ass and look up to whom the money is owed.

      • ata

        Yes, but the 24 billion we lost because of the shutdown certainly would have helped.

      • Julia Mercado

        Are you talking about Debt or Deficit? Defict is the indicator of health – Debt is what funds the programs and agencies that our country runs on. Deficit is is still high, but half of what it was. And please remember, the war was not in Bush’s budget which totally whacked out the Debt and Deficit numbers. I think time will tell with the ACA and show that the hype of “doom and trainwreck” will be proved to be wrong.

      • America does NOT need to pay her debts off. We must promise too which is why the debt ceiling was raised 17 times under George Bush and all previous presidents. Under Obama, the right wing Southern retards in the US House and Senate for the first time in a long time have used the debt ceiling as a gun against the head of the president to take a women’s right to her body away!

      • Ted Cruz

        By the way Kathy Stanisich the President doesn’t have a checkbook he can only sign the check that the House and Senate WRITES. Therefore the 6 Trillion you speak of means the Congress not the President spent the Check. A little Civics 101 might help.

      • gemma liar

        don’t be dissuading Kathy’s unwavering FACTS as they have been painted /imprinted in her atavistic “brain” by FOX “news”

      • gemma liar

        hey skank,,,,, the AHC has been “operational” for what- 2 1/2 weeks and YOU ( bolstered by the lies /rhetoric of FOX “news” ) complain its NOT WORKING. Just like when Obama took office YOU and the scabs ofv your ilk on the regressive vright COMPLAINED that he wasn’t making jobs automatically or bitched about SPENDING ( even though the FIRST stimulus bill was good ol’ GW bushes — and that’s something he did RIGHT) so please go to your white trash tax-free church with OTHER white trash and pray( SEE: beg) that some neo-con idiot like T cruz or Utah lee or WHATEVER can get us closed down again further destroying any chance of U crybabies thinking U have a chance against the next Clinton presidency,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,keep crying!

      • melloe

        Well Kathy, you have a couple things wrong that will not change till you turn off the right wing propaganda machine. 1. “President accumulated a little over $6 trillion OOPS” Part of that is the Iraq/Afghanistan conflict Bush did not put on the budget and Obama did have done so for transparency ( a little over 1,5 Trillion ) 2. The bush 2009 budget, which started in 2008 and was all Bush was 1.4 Trillion. Something like 400 Billion of that is actually Obama shoulders being generous. 3. The last time I checked, even with this low interest rarte, the interest on the Nation debt was almost 300 Billion, every year, and that is mostly on Reagan and the two Bush’s spending of around between 9.7 to11 Trillion when Obama took office. SO to say the National debt went up 6 or so Trillion since Obama was sworn in the way some right wing sites is only a little lie ( some of it was there, just not budgeted ). To say it as you did to indicate Obama spending was responsible for it is at best disgusting. The point being that Obama spending has been historically low at a time when we should be trying rebuild the infrastructure putting people back to work.

      • Kirk welch

        the National Debt is exactly what it sounds like. It’s an unpaid debt. Put two wars and a Medicare Part D drug plan on a credit card and then give massive tax breaks to Corporations and individuals and you go into massive debt. Add to all of the the TARP bailout and the housing bubble burst and you get to spend the next 20 yrs paying that off while at the same time attempting to keep infrastructure, education, the most bloated military in the world and a hundred other things afloat.
        I know, I know, Bush was in the past and thank god for that and yes Obama has perpetuated the war machine in the form of drone strikes and the cost of keeping that afloat but the vast majority of that debt was handed off to him and people expected him to pull a chocolate bunny out of his ass and fix it all in a yr. despite the fact that he has meet with nothing but obstructionism from the onset of his Presidency.

      • Sarah Gonzales

        AHC? did you mean to say ACA? it’s only been up and running a short time, and you can say it’s not working? Please don’t comment unless you do research (other than listening to conservative blowhards, k?

      • trenaherringtonchapman

        Cruz isn’t returning it either. Legally, he can’t. He used this fiasco to raise money for a presidential run. The ACA (not AHC) is working so far. Social security and medicare both had glitches. Every operation this size will. These need to be worked out. How does paying salaries add to the debt? These people take that money and return it to the economy allowing us to pay off our debt. If you want to blame someone, it isn’t the President.

      • Mike Williams

        Seems to me there are a lot of companies having a fit over basically nothing. Show me one company that has had to lay off or fire people because of the PPACA.
        What ? Can not find one that did not do that? Oh sure you will find companies that have done that exact thing because of the “Impending cycle of prediction of doom”
        What you have then is a self fulfilling prophesy.

        For example the Parent company of Olive Garden bemoaning in Dec 2012 how they are going to lose their shirts because of the PPACA. Well they are doing so horrible now that they not only provide insurance with a $100 deductible for all employees, they are also giving away a free togo entree to match the entree you ordered. That’s terrible. Papa John’s opening even more stores than they said they would have to close.

        I recommend waiting for the law to kick in before complaining about what if’s and might be’s…
        Maybe if 146 House Gop members had disagreed with John Boehner’s YEA vote for the law we would not be seeing all the BS from them now.

      • Peggy Richards

        you have no idea what you are talking about!

      • Me

        YOU NEED TO READ WHAT DJALLYN SAID BECAUSE IT’S RIGHT. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THIS COUNTRY RUNS ON PEANUTS? SOME OF THAT DEBT YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. A LOT OF IT IS FROM THE IDIOTS 42 VOTES TO REPEAL A LAW, WHICH CANNOT BE DONE. CONGRESS HAS TO PAY THE BILLS THAT CONGRESS RAN UP. LOOK IT UP. THIS PRESIDENT IS ONE OF THE LOWEST SPENDERS. LOOK IT UP. GWB SPENT LOTS MORE, ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT HIM? HE SENT PEOPLE OFF TO DIE IN USELESS WARS, ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT?

      • Americangirl1964

        LOL!!!! Obama doubled our National debt in his 1st term….more than Bush did in his entire two Terms. What part do you not get!?

      • Informer

        What part did you not get about Bush hiding the cost of his 2 wars by not putting them on the books, or his Medicare part D that he hid and didn’t put on the books. Obama put them on the books where they belonged! That is where a lot of the debt came from, you know the illegal wars that were started on the basis of WMD’s that were never found.

      • Patricia Jagadesan

        Informer,
        I like you! It is not often that a well informed person speaks up.
        On behalf of all modestly educated, rational beings, -Thank you-

      • Informer

        Thank you Patricia! It gets frustrating at times watching people spout off when they don’t do their own research and just rely on talking points from various “news” agencies.

      • Mike Williams

        What has this to do with Ted Cruz earning 6,000 in two weeks and claiming to give it back? Or the Gop shutting the government down for the second time in two decades over health care? Or the24 billion the shut down cost? Or the innumerable jobs that industry delayed in opening because of the shutdown?

        The national debt? He did not double the debt. Your talking about the debt that he was handed. He inherited 2 wars that were not funded by congressional law until after President Bush left office. Had a Palin won in 2008 there would be cries of “Wimin just can’t handle it” Noone, not you, not me , maybe the pope, could have pulled a miracle out of their ass and avoided the debt that Bush and Friends foisted upon the next president.
        And that does not even take into account the crap from the banking bail-out that started everything. You know who unregulated the banks so they could pull that crap? Wrong. Ronald Freaking Reagan. God of the the GOP. Mr. Trickle-on economics.
        If you take the existing debt and put only the NEW debt since President Obama took office Guess what…BUSH spent more in his first term than Obama did in both. Pull your head out and take a wiff. Your party is lying to you. They really want you to listen to their bullshit and not do any research for yourself.
        Do not take my word for it. ALL the information you need is available. Use the .gov websites not the .gop .

      • MadMaddie

        show me proof that he gave it back – I highly doubt that assclown would all of a sudden go back on his twisted entitled mentality.

      • Kathy Stanisich

        We are all upset over this. As Americans we need to come together and demand that Washington stop spending our grandchildren and great grandchildren’s money. We need to put America to work.

      • hdtex

        Please assure me you haven’t spawned. Your gene pool is far too stupid to be allowed to reproduce. Spay yourself Kathy.

      • towanda!!!!

        Instead of attacking people who post an opinion that is different than yours, blaming the republicans, fox news and anyone else that you disagree with, why don’t you get off the computer and start a fund raiser for these people? If you want to place blame how about the governors of these states who didn’t have the balls to reopen the parks. I don’t remember seeing anyone from Utah or Arizona mentioned in the article. Why? You might ask, Because Brewer and Hebert had the guts to stand up to Obama.
        And while we’re at it, remember Reid and Obama wouldn’t even discuss the budget except to blame Republicans until the last hours before we went into default.
        Go ahead and slam me.

      • hdtex

        Towanda add yourself to that list of people who should self-spay. It WAS the refuglicans to took us to the brink of financial ruin. THERE WAS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE! Obama had NO REASON to “negotiate” anything you simpleton moron.Grow a brain and remove your uterus. You just too stupid to procreate.

      • towanda!!!!

        Good one

      • hdtex

        Stupid one comment troll….

      • kcponte

        Kathy, I am not into name-calling but I will ask you; isn’t it
        time for you to shut up?

      • Nknow

        Put them to work doing what Kathy? People don’t work for free. Who’s going to pay them? The Government? Oh noooos… that means Government spending.

      • Michael D Barber

        That”s the BS we have been hearing from the right for 4 years but they haven’t brought A SINGLE PIECE OF JOBS LEGISLATION TO THE FLOOR YET.

      • kwilson

        Tell it to the folks who are receiving tax CREDITS for shipping jobs overseas….they’re friends with Cruz. He’s dippy about ’em.

      • Brenda Pless

        Even if he did give it back, he gets a income tax deduction for giving it to charity. So if he really wanted to give it up, he needs to give it to a family that was put out of work because of his asshole policies. Private charity giving isn’t tax-deductible.

      • Terry Cooper

        If he gives his check to a charity it’s tax deductible anyway. Hey, just means the asshole doesn’t need that money himself, So, let’s stop paying the mofo.

      • hdtex

        The republicans who brought this should be all charged and tried for sedition. Kathy keep sucking the Koch-cock.

      • Kathy Stanisich

        It is really sad when we can’t have an adult conversation without the name calling. All parties are at fault. Washington is at fault. We need term limits on all.

      • greatconsumptor

        I think term limits would just insure more under qulified ideologs would get a chance to show their ignorance in how government is supposed to work. What we need is campaign reform and regulations on lobbyists

      • kcponte

        Kathy, I am not into name-calling but I will ask you; don’t you think it is time for you to shut up?

      • gemma liar

        I prefer she and her ILK to remain verbal as we wont have anything to write ( and berate) about

      • MoodyCreator

        Guess what? This right here? Not “verbal”. Can you hear me? Didn’t think so.

      • Nknow

        It’s not “All Parties”. I am desperately tired of hearing that. It’s the right. Specifically the Tea Party. The Tea party shut down the government. They cheered about it. It’s the right that put our credit rating at risk twice. And heck this time they said it’s no big deal if we default, even when every sane economist on the planet says it would be a global catastrophe. It hasn’t been “All parties” at fault since the Republicans decided that they had to make this president fail at all cost. McConnell said it. “Our chief job is to make sure Barack Obama is a one term president.” Boehner said “We aren’t to be judged by the laws we pass, but by the laws we repeal.” They haven’t passed any substantive laws under his control, because they only deal in obstruction. At a time when our nation needs smart government the most, Republicans are behaving like spoiled children. They REFUSE to work with Democrats. Doing so means they could be primaried by some right wing wack-a-doodle. Wack-a-doodle’s who sound an awful lot like you Kathy. No offense.

      • Michael D Barber

        This is what happens when you vote in purist, fascist, idealogues to the government. They don’t do compromise, they do scorched earth policy. These are not statesmen, they are bought and paid for corporate whores.

      • hdtex

        Kathy ONE party…the GOP was responsible. There are to be NO “adult conversations” with idiots like you. Teabag harder Kathy and remember….NO TEETH!

      • MoodyCreator

        Ok, hdtex, that made me really LOL…”no teeth!” Next time warn me so I don’t almost blow my coffee all over the monitor.

      • O’BAM!

        Kathy takes a beat down, damn girl, you really can take a punch!

      • Informer

        I agree with you about the term limits. There should be term limits on the Senate and Congress just as there are on the President, 2 terms, that’s it. That way these fools can’t become multi-millionaires off the back of the American people as easily as they do.

      • MoodyCreator

        I don’t, only because there have been enough who went and actually DID spend a career, dedicated to the principals they earned the votes to go to DC. I would not take the extra good years Bernie Sanders, Barbara Boxer, Ed Markey, Ted Kennedy, Bob Dole, John McCain, many others. I really wouldn’t, not even with any mistakes made that never were worse than their contributions were greater. That just seems to me like a way we might not be very happy with, once too many of the pools from which we draw our Elizabeth Warrens become stripped down to the dregs, I’d rather she win another 40 terms than see another Michele Bachman. We need to do whatever it takes to stop dumbing down the population, so we keep making better voters instead.

      • Informer

        Well, you do have a point there. I guess I feel like we need to have some sort of policies in place that prevent these elected politicians from using office to bank millions off the back of the American citizens. It seems like more often than not that this is the primary objective of a lot of elected officials, using positions for personal wealth and gain.

      • MoodyCreator

        Wait…I thought that adults were allowed access to the *entire* lexicon… NO??? Whups.

      • Frankie

        No offense but why is it that you can not speak with out spilling filth out of you mouth!! “Teabagging idiot”. “Koch-cock! Be an adult and have a civil conversation!!

      • hdtex

        Because Kathy is not deserving of a “civil conversation”. SHe is a Koch-sucking, teabagging troll….just like you.

      • hdtex

        P.S. Go fuck yourself.

      • Terry Cooper

        Lol… hdtex: I concur… and I hate the fn Kochs. Dumbass Kathy can’t be bothered to research anything herself. She really needs to step away from the tv and Fox for awhile, like forever.

      • MoodyCreator

        I’d rather see RICO. It would be sweet to see. (not saying that the shutdown debacle has anything that would even warrant an investigation…well..except the “extortion” part…and the “more than 1 party involved who benefited. Of course Cruz would get the top charges.)…. Doesn’t hurt to dream.

      • gemma liar

        no can do—- hat’s akin to her NOT going to a nice tax-free church and praising a dead guys’ coming back to save white people in america

      • djallyn

        Another “low information voter”…

        Kathy, first off, those government workers ARE going to get back pay, but that isn’t really the point here. There are so many others who rely on the various government operations who aren’t going to get their money back.

        You probably don’t realize this, but not only is the government the largest employer in this country, but it is also the largest customer of private goods and services. As “bad” and “terrible” you might think our government is, it is also THE main engine that drives our economy — and always has been. You start messing with that engine and it effects virtually everyone down the line.

        Believe me, people like Cruz are NOT really against big government, or even large spending and large debt. They are against the man in the White House and will do ANYTHING to make sure that nothing improves under his watch — even if it means making everyone’s lives miserable in the process. You can bet that if Mitt Romney had been elected, Republicans would have broken their necks doing an about-face to employ the proven methods of getting the economy back on line again — the very methods that Obama has been asking for over the past five years.

        Secondly, it was Franken who was the first to refuse pay. Instead, he is donating that money to charity, since you cannot just return it to the Treasury. (there are some Constitutional constraints that prevent that)

        And finally, it IS the Executive Branch that decides what is essential and what isn’t. They have only so much money in reserve to operate the entire government, and if you want to keep planes in the air, or our military operating, you have to make decisions to shut other things down.

        Parks are just one of those things that are always going to be first on ANY president’s list to shut down. It might seem like a “political stunt” to close down an open air park, but you have to realize that ALL of these parks are staffed with real live government workers who are there for a REASON. If you have to furlough those workers, then you have to shut the park down.

        Look at the big picture here (something that seems to be a challenge to most Libertarians and “Conservatives”). The government is shut down, and its employees are furloughed. There is no operating cash to actually operate the government. If someone in Yosemite gets lost or is injured, who is going in there to rescue them? And can you imagine the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments that publicity clowns like Cruz et al would be doing if someone were lost or hurt in the park and there was nobody able to rescue them?

        Third, YES, the Republicans DO need to stop fighting among themselves and actually come up with a constructive plan other than just obstructionism, slash, and burning. They also need to learn the concepts of “negotiating” and “compromising”.

        Finally, with an economy as large as we have here in the US, it isn’t all that unusual to have what appears to be a “staggeringly high” national debt. Just looking at the amount in raw terms, it DOES appear to be mind-boggling. But if you look at it in terms as percentages to the amount of money that flows through our economy, that amount of debt is a relatively minor thing.

        Fifty years ago, a trillion dollars was almost unimaginable. Our entire economy didn’t come close to generating that amount. Today our economy deals in quadrillions of dollars worldwide — more money than we actually have currency or any other tangible item of value. Most of that money is nothing more than ones and zeroes in financial computers.

      • Brenda Pless

        Good points and so true.

      • Patricia Jagadesan

        Umm Subcontractors do NOT get back pay. Period. I know both hubby and I lost our shirts and have had to borrow $ from friends and family to cover the rent here in one of the most expensive towns. D.C. metro area…

      • Americangirl1964

        Subcontractors for whom?

      • Informer

        That’s really none of your business! She said they sub-contract for the government. The government subcontracts a lot of work from like janitoral, canteens, food, building certain parts for aircraft, tanks, jeeps, etcetcetc. But you should have known all that since you seem to think you know everything about how the government functions. lol

      • Americangirl1964

        Either you work for the government or you don’t! So if you’re a sub-contractor…then you would’ve been able to get jobs in the private sector. Why didn’t you do that?

      • Guest

        you are such a nasty teabag. Go get a job the next day you demand! Can you use thinking or empathy skills? No you are teahadist.

      • gemma liar

        no,,,,shes simply a nice flatchested /overweight Christian who hates what Christ wanted to help out

      • Patricia Jagadesan

        Actually darling,
        We, husband and I are in IT. We have binding contacts so no, we can’t just run out and find another job and never look back. No, there is no black and white, you do or you don’t scenario. There is a vast grey area which is where we fall. We have government ID’s that allows us access to specific buildings as needed and security clearances, but we are NOT government employees. Wish that we were. Not only would we get back pay but we’d also get things like retirement account, health benefits, paid vacation time etc. Not to mention I end up paying a higher tax rate than a W2 worker. So please do educate yourself Americangirl1964, before you go posting asinine comments on the web for the world to see. It makes the rest of us intelligent, rational people look bad. >.>

      • Er…

        You have no idea what you’re talking about do you? Sometimes it’s all about what area you’re in. Sometimes the biggest job market in the area a person lives (like me) IS a contractor or sub-contractor to the government – and last I checked being a contractor or a sub-contractor is in the -PRIVATE SECTOR-.

      • June Maulfair

        So do you work for OFA? I notice there were no links for any of the “facts” you posted.

      • Informer

        Really June? A lot of what he said is taught in basic high school civics class. Don’t be lazy, look stuff up yourself and stop looking to be spoon fed.

      • Americangirl1964

        LOL…Really Informer?! High school civics class?

      • Informer

        Lol, really, it’s sometimes an advanced class in some high schools. But with your grammar and communication skills I can tell that was a class you probably opted out of, lol.

      • Everybodhi

        I got it in the tenth grade.
        Where, may I ask, did you recieve your education, Americangirl?
        Since you missed it, try google.
        Now, just to simplify things, Here is an analogy for you~
        The democrats want reasonable gun regulations, supported by all polls of the American people. And yet, since both parties are dependent on NRA and corporate money, it can’t make it through congress.
        Suppose a band of progressive democrats shut down the government, threatened to not honor our debt, threatened the world economy, lowered our financial rating, cost the taxpayers billions, until we get gun regulations.
        Do you understand you should be very careful what you wish for?
        Here’s another analogy for you~
        Remember when Bush created Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, suspended Habeas Corpus, allowed secret renditions to countries in order to torture suspects, indefinite detention without charges or trial, the NSA unlimited freedom to watch and record US citizens? None of you teabillies raised a peep of protest.
        Now, your President is a right of center democrat, and I bet you’re not so happy about those executive powers of which Bush and Cheney set precedence.
        Am I right?
        You want your teabillies to cost the American people billions and shut down our government, perhaps not honor our debts, because we will not bow to your demands, after not having the votes to control congress, despite gerrymandering your radical yahoos into the House with over a million less votes than House democrats received?
        You, and the rest of your clan, missed your high school civics class, you don’t understand how a democratic republic works.
        If we acquiesce to Teabilly demands, our democracy ends, as we know it.
        Since you have the Internet, may I suggest you google, Thomas Paine, he wrote pamphlets back when our government was in its beginning, short educational booklets designed to be read to the illiterate. They are easy to read. He is credited with inspiring the American Revolution.
        “Agrarian Justice”, is a good place to start. “The Age of Reason”, is another favorite.
        Educate yourself on your country’s government, at least, know what you are talking about if you are going to be political.

      • Everybodhi

        What did the shutdown cost us, billions?
        They don’t care about our debt or the people.
        They want to decimate programs for the poor, but, will blow money grandstanding.

      • Americangirl1964

        Listen you!! This 17% shutdown was caused by your beloved KIng OBama and his cohorts. They refused to negotiate! When they refused to negotiate and the Republicans were wanting to pay all other bills…even bills that didn’t like….it’s on their backs. Get it?!

      • Informer

        No, it’s on Cruz’s and the spineless Republicans who wouldn’t stand up to him. You don’t seem to understand that the President or the Senate was in no position to buckle under to your St Cruz’s demands. It was 30-40 tea party nuts that were making demand after demand before approving the budget. It would have been a bad precedent for the President to allow in buckling into those demands. That budget had already been approved and the money allocated. The Republicans were just ticked that they tried 42 times to repeal a law that had already been passed and endorsed by the Supreme Court. There are ways to go about amending laws or scrapping them, proper channels, they tried and failed 42 times to the tune of $50 million dollars to the tax payers and then this stunt which added another $24 million to it. Had the President buckled and gave into their demands, first he would be violating the Constitution in doing so as your darling Cruz was very close to violating the Constitution as well, it’s called sedition, look it up. If the President had buckled then what’s the point of having checks and balances in the way laws are made, it would have been the beginning of the end of democracy as we know it but I can tell you don’t understand that. The precedent set would be whatever party is in power could basically blackmail the rest into doing whatever they wanted regardless of the consequences on the American people. This is all basic civics class from high school or did you fail that class as well as economics 101 as you keep spouting about?

      • Raging Grandma

        Oh, you Rush Limbaugh devotee..(American bozo 1964)….One shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists, seditionists, or idiots…..
        In case you don’t recognize it, the third group is the one you’re part of. GET IT!!!

      • Me

        You are completely misinformed Americangirl1964. If you were around at that time, then you are old enough to know better. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!

      • gemma liar

        she lest FOX “news” do all her homework as she KNOWS that FOX “news” is fair and balanced

      • hdtex

        Nothing TO negotiate you teabagging nutbag troll….Get It?

      • gemma liar

        hey CUNT— ONLY house can shutdown GOVT,,,,wanna try again? and why should someone negotiate ( SEE: POKER) when the opponent has an EMPTY HAND>????????????//

      • Skyhollower

        Oh dear! You must be watching Fox News again and reading Heritage Foundation or something. The Budget House Committee invited the Republicans 18 times or more to negotiate a new budget and debt ceiling back since June. 18 times or more the Republicans refused to come to the table and negotiate. So why would anyone want to come to the table and negotiate with a bunch of people who had said no for months. They wanted this shutdown to try and force, coerce, blackmail, extort, however you want to word it, the President to stop the A.C.A., but guess what…they other sides wouldn’t back down and more power to them. If either side were to give in to the tactics of shutting down the government by throwing a big pantywad hissy fit, temper tantrum, it would set a precedent that we would never be able to return from. Legislation should be passed that would not allow any group to shut down the government for these reasons.

        So getting back to your original rant, the Republicans are responsible for this shutdown 18 time or more. Get it?!

      • Staalhjerte

        Businesses that rely on National Parks remaining open…THOSE people aren’t getting any money back.

      • Jesse

        Wow! Ted Crus helped cause a shutdown that costed billions and he gets away with “donating” $6,000? Sounds fair to me! This bill is considered paid in full!

      • kcponte

        Cruz gave his salary back to the Treasury? I will believe it when I see it. He is nothing but a greedy, bigoted, slimy P.O.S. that thinks he is better than anyone else and that he and his TP Co-harts are the only ones that really matter. I think he will find out differently in 2014.

      • MoodyCreator

        Gave back his salary! HA! I wish I could donate a paycheck, then just grab my employer’s entire net worth, credit rating,etc and shoot the moon on the first hand. HOW many millions did his neat little jackpot dump into the ol’ fundraiser *pig* bank? Yeah, then he was mad when he had to give back what was left after he gambled and not made to at least repay the bet. Let’s add “embezzling” to my fantasy “if only” list of felonies..

      • 4everdem

        I am so tired of the low/no information teahadists spouting the lies and misinformation they heard from the lunatics on the R side. If they had not been home schooled and/or dropped out, they would know that the US government has jurisdiction over all national monuments and parks, National Institute of Health, NASA, FEMA, food inspection, etc. All of them should go back to a real school and learn fact instead of fiction. The republicans are nothing but a bunch of Neo Confederates who use fear and lies to speak to the dumb and dim-witted.

      • Paul Keller

        You obviously have a clear grasp of nothing. It was the Rethuglicans who were high-fiving each other and going on the air saying that they couldn’t be happier about the shutdown. The article isn’t talking about the government employees … it’s talking about OTHER businesses and people affected by Ted Cruz’s grand photo-op.

      • melaineh

        They should give those paychecks to Ms Harris who could then save her business, and to all of those people who didn’t get a salary when the government was closed down.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        You are an idiot. There was no “choosing” what to shut down. It all got shut down and the Republicans were to blame.

      • Julia Mercado

        Kathy, if you worked for the government you were paid, but for the people in this article, they don’t, and they can’t make up the money they lost during the shutdown. Lots of people are living on the edge and the shutdown pushed quite a few of them off.

      • acornwebworks

        But this article was about the people directly affected by the shutdown who were not employed by the government. And they are not getting their money.

        And Cruz most certainly wasn’t the one who started Senators giving their salaries back. Indeed, he himself isn’t giving his own salary back. Rather, he’s donating it a charity of his choice…and getting a tax break for doing so.

        And it wasn’t the administration that chose the programs to shut down, either. For crying out loud…READ about the process.

        Instead of wanting the Republicans to come up with a strategy plan, we need the Republicans AND the Democrats working together to come up with a strategy to improve things.

      • gemma liar

        hey fat ass / flat chested ( OR BOTH) skank bag Kathy,,,,,, the HOUSE is the ONLY legal body allowed to shutdown the GOVT,,,,your shitbag mealymouthed HOUSE of “representatives” shut down MY government. I must confess how I do LOVE watching white trash such as you ( under-informed; un-educated) cry about NON truths. U write the truth and I will retract my aspersive -laden verbosity here,,,,until then: go to church ( tax free house of superstition) and suck up to the dying regressive movement know as the dirty tee party

      • MoodyCreator

        Yeah, I’m thinking that once reduced to “stop calling me names! Be an adult! WHAAA!”..just can’t admit they stepped into the wrong string. Next time engage with your big girl panties on. “Language”…shut up.

      • gemma liar

        hey fuckface,,,,,,I like name calling: it allows me momentarily to eschew the grandiose implementation of my ostensible lexiphanic vocabulary– which over-zealous oligophrenial popinjays such as yourself maladroitly attempt to discolor with scurrilous & costive infantilism. (NOTE: what did I study in college?)
        ……………please proceed “governor”

      • MoodyCreator

        Gemma, doubt you will see this, but just in case, I wanted to let you know that I have a couple of posts right after yours that look like I’m directing replies to you that aren’t…They were all for our “friend” Kathy, so if you felt otherwise, I apologize. It was because I didn’t click the right link or something. Anyway, cheers. 🙂

      • Chomper Lomper Tawee

        Kathy Stanisich — You got served LOSER!!!

      • trenaherringtonchapman

        They can not “legally” refuse the money. It can not be sent back. They can donate it to charity. I wouldn’t believe it unless I saw it personally though. Cruz isn’t the one who started it, btw. He actually said in one interview that he wasn’t declining his money. He changed his mind after the backlash hit.

      • Mark Manley

        Their not smart enough.

    • Terry Cooper

      Ric: I concur!

    • Americangirl1964

      It’s this administration who was holding it hostage. Make no mistake. Really…the Republican’s wanted to fund everything…but were listening to the majority of American’s that wanted them to do their job they were elected to do! Get it!!!!!!!! I am sick of people like you! Seems that you are the sociopath!! You psycho!! Do you not understand politics and why the our elected officials are elected? They are to do the job for the American people (they work for American’s) and not just for a few that want to suck our resources dry! We are sick of your entitlement mentalities! How I wish we could split this Country..Liberals on one side and Republicans on the other. Guess what? You liberals would never survive, while Republicans would be flourishing without the government handouts. Government was intended to be this big!

      • Informer

        Ahem, you wouldn’t survive because fact is ALL the red states take more from the government payouts than the blue states do. That means the red states are the welfare suckers, they take more money from the government than they pay into it. That’s an indisputable fact and those are the entitlement suckers as you call it.

      • Ric

        To quote a meme going around: You’re some special kind of stupid.

      • hdtex

        No….actually Americangirl is as common as a bad cold and twice as nasty.

      • hdtex

        BWAHAHAHA! Harder! Deeper! Faster! And NO TEETH!

    • masher

      Caring about America is racist.

  • tony

    Oh please stop crying. I don’t want to hear about you loss for 2 weeks. What ever happened to saving for a rainy day, or a business plan that takes into account a disaster or shutdown. During the recession the private sector took a hit, losing jobs for 6 to 12 months, Some never recovering their yearly salary. If two weeks put you under it’s your own fault.

    • Jason Mann

      Yeah cause when you are living paycheck to paycheck, you can afford to put money back for things like a GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. Sorry, it’s a privilege to be able to save money these days, not something everyone can do.

      • kathy

        even a few dollars put back helps..and maybe JOBS NEEDS to be the focus of this administration instead of HC reform and immigration…what ever happened to that promise?

      • Jason Mann

        With the republican blockade in the house, there is no way anything is getting done.

      • Mark Jones

        Yeah where are those GOP job plans Kathy? And don’t tell me it entails tax cuts for millionaires, because no one outside of the Conservative Entertainment Complex Bubble believes in the Trickle Down hoax. Demand creates jobs, and the above is evidence of reduced demand by a -$24 billion. Your economic illiteracy is the problem. Perhaps some college classes might help.

    • Lorraine Tucker Mack

      Did you bother to read the article? These people already took a hit from the loss of business due to floods and wildfires. We went through a lot of our savings when my husband was out of work for a few months, and I count our blessings. However, I have empathy for the ones who are struggling to get by, and don’t have the luxury of building a nest egg. That’s half the problem with the GOP/TP, they don’t give a damn.

      • KATHY

        the republicans are trying to stop a run away spending spree, are you not concerned that we will eventually go bankrupt if spending is continued ? Lets do the credit card analogy that libs love so much.If you have a credit card and you continue to max out that card and keep getting increases on said card,eventually you will hit a limit that will not be increased. If there are no jobs and money coming in to your checking account, then you will not be able to pay it off. That would lead to bankruptcy…we need to cut up the credit card,cut back where we can, and EVERYONE tighten the belt, and start paying down the credit card. What is so wrong with that??? The republicans are trying to wake people up ! The democrats just keeps adding entitlements,and ACA IS AN ENTITLEMENT ,NOT A RIGHT. It is a good idea for people to have HC,but it has to been done responsibly. No one Repub or Dems. think that people should not have HC,but it has to been when we are healthy economically, and millions with out jobs is not healthy. WHY IS JOBS NEVER ON OBAMAS MIND??? WHY DIDN’T THE DEMOCRATS FOCUS ON JOBS INSTEAD OF HC??? EXPLAIN THAT. It is not all the republicans fault, there were bills sent prior to shut down,and the REID shoved them in the corner. It s gamesmanship on both sides,and the dems and Obama are not innocent in all this…stop listening to the liberal news, they are STATE PROPAGANDA MACHINES..think for yourself..it takes 2 to tango..I wished the shut down never happened,but when it did the DEMOCRATS were just as willing to default for political purposes,and point fingers, no DOUBT ABOUT THAT !

      • greatconsumptor

        You should never think for yourself. You’re thoughts are not based on facts or any kind of reasonable logic. Before you start “thinking” for yourself do some research, and talking points aren’t research.

      • isrjablonski

        Please point us to the jobs bill that Congress has proposed. Oh wait, they are worried about birth control and gay marriage, no time for jobs.

      • Kathy Stanisich

        Ditto.. The administration at one point said that he would work with the House in cutting the debt then in another breath he would agree only if they agreed to raise the debt. This is an oxymoron. It is like taking your teenagers allowance away but then giving them the credit card with no limit on spending

      • alikhat

        And the cherry on top is demonstrating that you’re too stupid to even understand what an oxymoron is. Teabaggers: Proudly waving their ignorance (and stupidity and delusional fantasizing) around since 2008!

      • Jason Mann

        The ACA is law. They tried to repeal but couldn’t. So what do they do? Throw a hissy fit and try to shutdown the entire government. How about instead, going through the PROPER channels for repealing or revising the ACA. Not holding the countries economy hostage!

      • Nknow

        The term is raise the debt ceiling. Not raise the debt. And what it means is giving the government the authority to pay for what has already been spent. It has nothing to do with future spending.

      • hdtex

        Keep teabagging Kathy….and HEY! WATCH THOSE TEETH!

      • coloradomama

        Kathy, you really need to turn off Fox news, they are warping the few brain cells you seem to have. Our president has been pushing for congress to pass a jobs bill for years, but your Tea Party buddies refuse to even consider one, or any other bill, such as improving our infrastructure, rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges, fixing schools and other public facilities or any other bill that might put people back to work. Despite that obstruction, he has managed to cut our debt to it’s lowest level since the surplus we had under our last democratic president, Bill Clinton. The republicans claim to be the party of smaller government, but what they really are is the party of “let’s do as little as we can for the average citizen and line our pockets with as much money as we can before they catch on” . Guess what republicans? We’ve caught on!!! Get ready for a rude awakening!!

      • Terry Cooper

        Kathy: STFU. You are entirely too brain dead, and dependent on Fox to tell you how to think and what to say. If any of us wanted to listen to Rush, we’d watch Fox ourselves. Besides that, if you think that any one of the TP electorate gives a rats ass about you or your grandchildren then you and people like you are a huge part of the problem our country has. I guarantee you, it’s not going to make any difference to your grandkids how much is sent now except in mayb making things a little better for them in the future if for not other reason than people like the Kochs won’t be able to take over and pollute, own or otherwise destroy our environment for the sake of their spawn’s ongoing great wealth. BTW: neither you nor your grandkids are included in the KOchs plans for expansion.

      • Nknow

        Couldn’t have said it better myself. If they cared about the debt they’d allow the Bush tax cuts to sunset.

      • Nknow

        I love the way right wingers decry the debt, then increase it as soon as the obtain power.

      • hdtex

        Teabagging low IQ IDIOT!

    • Informer

      Tony, really? Your lack of empathy is what is wrong with this country today! We are NOT fully out of the recession, true the economy is a little better but we still have a long way to go to a full recovery after Bush and his policies tanked the economy. Like Lorraine said, did you even bother to fully read and comprehend the article?? That lady had already taken a severe hit to her business due to the wildfires in her area, perhaps that is where her savings went to keep her business open for the duration of those fires. Now you have some pompous ass grandstanding for HIS own political gain and pushing people like her and many others over the brink of financial disaster! He doesn’t give a rats ass about her or any other American, he’s only in it for his own personal gain and benefit. I guess you applauded him going out in front of the White House and standing with people who were flying the Confederate flag proudly displaying what a racist he is, you didn’t hear one peep out of him or Palin denouncing that flag being flown in front of our Capital endorsing the hate and bigotry that goes with it! That bigot and his fellow tea party nuts were the ones responsible for that memorial being closed in the first place! One other thing, this lady IS part of the private sector that took a terrible hit as far as her business is concerned. She was in business for 10 years so she must have been doing something right to have survived the recession when other businesses like hers were closing left and right!

      • kathy

        The Democrats were not rushing to the table to negotiate. They and Obama stood stoic and said no negotiations for days on in, that is not good. No party has total control of government,it is disastrous when it does. If Obama were to as much energy into jobs as his legacy, then we all would be in better shape. Look at those people whom have lost their jobs and not recovered. It is sad that it was all political by BOTH SIDES,THAT THIS LADY IS PAYING THE PRICE…BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE DEMS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT MAKING more of an effort to negotiate or compromise or AT LEAST talk ! Reids venomous name calling didn’t help and the continued mean spirited name calling only by democrats came to force a CHAPLIN TO CHASTISE the senate leader,and yes Reid knew he was begin chastised by the evidence of his SUDDEN change of speech and readiness to talk.

      • Informer

        Umm, you really need to get your facts together. The Dems asked 16 times since March of this year for the Republicans to come to meetings to discuss the budget, they were refused each and every time! This was a ploy put in place back then to try to repeal a law that was already on the books, supported by the Supreme Court. The Republicans tried 42 times to repeal this law to the tune of over $50 million dollars to the US taxpayer. That has been Congress’s sole endeavor since the ACA was passed, period, they can’t focus on anything else let alone jobs bills. There were jobs bills sent to the Congress but their only intent since 2010 has been pure obstructionism! Don’t remember Mitch McConnell stating quite openly in 2010 that they would never pass a bill endorsed by the President because their only mission was to make sure he wasn’t re-elected in 2012? They are still continuing that policy. As far as the President stating he would not negotiate on a law already passed he couldn’t cave in as that would set a very bad precedent as it would send a clear message to both houses that it doesn’t matter what the law of the land is, they can whine and shut down the government, to hell with the consequences down the line to other workers or businesses, in order to try and get their way. What was done by the Republican party in shutting down the government was against the Constitution to begin with, it’s called sedition and there is an amendment covering that. Everyone of those who voted for the shutdown should have been arrested and tried for treason and why they haven’t been is something I guess we’ll never know because they in fact broke the law by doing what they did! There have been numerous jobs bills sent to the Congress but the each and every time there has been one sent that has been created by the Dems the Republicans have attached so much pork barrel spending to them that the Senate has had to push them aside as they would increase government spending to pad the pockets of these Republicans and their pet projects back home no matter how ridiculous those projects were! The President came up with a jobs bill to create jobs for veterans, homeless veterans in particular, to put them to work rebuilding our infrastructure, you know, roads, bridges, pesky stuff like that, also the money was being moved from obsolete projects so it wouldn’t have added to the budget, it was sent to Congress and they voted it down. I’m a veteran, I’ve also always voted for the person that I thought would do the better job regardless of party affiliation, that was the first year that I pulled a straight party ticket vote when I voted in 2012. I’ll be damned if I vote for a party that has the history of reducing veterans benefits like the Republicans have done each and every time a veterans bill comes before them. They are so quick to send our men and women of the military into needless wars costing over 5,000 American lives to be lost, thousands and thousands more to be maimed for life both physically and mentally and then treat them like trash when they return home. The venomous name calling was coming from both sides, not just the Dems, but I guess you didn’t pay attention to that crap. I guess you also didn’t pay attention to Cruz and Palin going out in front of the White House standing with people who were flying the Confederate flag and calling the police officers racist names who finally had to step in to get them off the fence. Where is your outrage about that?

      • Nknow

        You don’t negotiate with people who threaten to destroy the global economy. If you give in they’ll just keep doing it until the world finally get’s tired of our bullshit.

      • hdtex

        Kathy THERE WAS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE YOU EFFING IDIOT! WE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE ANYTHING MORE WITH YOU SOCIOPATHS!

    • Brenda Pless

      What happened to saving for a rainy day? Are you for real? What happened is an extremely low minimum wage, companies hiring only part-time workers, rich corporations using all their profits to line their pockets or the Congress people they are bribing instead of paying their workers a living wage. You obviously must follow the Tea Party gang. So it’s your fault, tony (with a small t).

    • Singlemom

      Oh! Tony, saving for a rainy day disappeared from the lives of the Americans a long time ago. Since Mr. Bush junior took office their lives became more miserable. Two weeks put under a lot of people, including me and many of my coworkers. Count your blessings that you are in such great financial situation, because many others live from paycheck to paycheck, suffering with the dumb decisions made by republicans and tea party idiots!

    • kwilson

      I’ve been thinking this ever since I started reading the article. If folks couldn’t see this coming, they’re retarded, and if they didn’t plan for it, they’re short sighted and foolhardy. You’re absolutely right: if two weeks put you under, it’s your own fault.

  • Dennis Freytes

    poor lady she looks so sad are we suppose to be convinced that spending our next generation’s lives away is somehow worth these people’s ‘government jobs’

    • isrjablonski

      Where were you when trillions were spent fighting two unnecessary wars? I am certain you didn’t say a damn word as the bill got higher and higher and now that the President won’t stick it to the poor and middle class, suddenly it’s an issue? How about we raise the taxes on the 1% that have gotten the vast majority of the economy in the last decade?

      • Terry Cooper

        Is: I’m with you. Not much point in trying to reason with Foxbots.
        I can only hope that Rupert Murdoch will piss his soon to be ex wife off enough that maybe she’ll kick that old jackass in the head and kill him.

    • Informer

      Read the story again, this lady didn’t work for the government, she owned a restaurant near one of the national parks and since it was shut down there was no traffic flow by her business!

    • bpless

      Have you ever heard that if you’re not part of the solution then you’re part of the problem? The Republicans have block any legislation that would have created jobs and any that would have actually helped our country. They are racist! They would rather destroy our country then work with a black President. President Obama has actually lowered the deficit since he’s been in office. But you won’t hear the Tea Party morons tell you this. I hope everyone of them gets voted out when they come up for election. We don’t need that type of people in office.

      • Dennis Freytes

        Thats a pretty broad statement to say republicans are ‘racist’. Our president IS NOT a good president, Black people are blind to that fact and are happy about having a black president, regardless of what he does, all they want to do is be hope drunk and listen to his crafty speechs, I dont care what color my president is, I protested Bill Clinton and George Bush aswell as Obama, our whole political system is controlled by bankers and corporations. Wall street in short is rigging the minds of america for their benefit. Obama is making America great for business and bad for people.

      • bpless

        If you want a better government, then vote for members of Congress who care about the average person, not a Congress who have corporations that finance their campaigns. The President isn’t the problem, it’s Congress. He has no power to make laws. When will people understand that it’s Congress that make the laws not the President. And I should clarify that I don’t mean all Republications. I’m an Independent so I vote Democratic or Republican. I’m talking about the Tea Party Republicans. Our country is based on compromise. And to have a party who won’t compromise and instead says “it’s my way or the highway”, does nothing but hurt our country. This is the worst Congress I’ve ever saw and I’ve been around through many elections. And by the way, I’m a white, female from a deep south family. Just thought you should know that.

  • Jen

    That’s cuz the majority of society lacks empathy and if they don’t realize this and make a change, it’ll only get worse.

    I didn’t want to post “as guest” but every time I try to post on article that use Disqus, it never seems to remember anything about me :/

    • littleblacksnake

      And yet, they call themselves Christians.

      • Michael D Barber

        The so called Christians in this country still use that POS buybull that has the rest of the Old Testament in it. Until they burn that part, I wouldn’t trust them with spit.

  • djallyn

    You are never going to convince the Tea Baggers that this wasn’t Obama’s shutdown. In THEIR minds, they feel that it was OBAMA who was playing politics by closing down the parks, and that he could have left them open.

    I agree with Ric here — these people ARE sociopaths.

  • Just me

    It hurt my business too. More people than they realize.

    • Dissenter13a

      Hurt me, too.

    • Informer

      Sorry Just me, it put your name next to a comment above that was actually made by someone else, how odd.
      I’m sorry your business was hurt too as a result of these greedy sob’s.

  • Paul H

    The world makes me angry sometimes.

  • KatieDancer

    You can’t blame it all on Cruz. The other GOP party was letting him do the dirty work for them. Now they’ve let him take ALL the heat when really, he was their patsy.

    • Informer

      I don’t blame it all on Cruz alone, I blame the entire Republican party, none of them that could have had a direct impact (read John Boehner) had the balls to stand up and say you know what man, this is just wrong, this is hurting people that aren’t directly employed by the government so they will never recover the money that their business is losing due to one man and several other tea party members being total asshats pandering for a vote come election day.

    • Terry Cooper

      Katie: Cruz chose to be the Judas goat. I’ll bet he has been promised a really cushy job or his wife has, probably with the Kochs or someone they are affiliated with for tanking his political career.

  • Stephanie Potter

    My wedding day was destroyed because of the shut down… Then I couldn’t get my name changed because of the shut down. My bank didn’t want to cash our wedding checks because my last name didn’t match, I have to produce a copy of our marriage license anytime I need to go to the bank.

    • Informer

      I’m sorry your day was ruined, that totally reeks. This is the problem, most people can’t see past the end of their nose to see how this affected more people other than the government workers who will get their back pay.

      • Terry Cooper

        I hate the Tea Baggers, I hate Cruz, and I especially hate the KOchs for bringing this kind of subversion into our government. They should all be charged with sedition.

      • Informer

        I agree 100%. I found it amusing that when the American people really started to get ticked off and making their voices heard the Koch brothers made a hasty retreat leaving Cruz and the other tea party members out to hang dry flapping in the breeze!

    • Kelly Shelton

      OH my God. You were minorly inconvenienced because of a shut down! How horrible for you!

      While I get that it sucks, you didn’t lose your business, have to fire 10+ employees, and you still got to get married, unlike some people who didn’t get to because apparently their clerks were furloughed. Be happy that you weren’t wondering if you’d have to sign up for food stamps to feed your family, and wondering if you’d be able to pay your rent or mortgage.

      • Informer

        Such empathy! I bet if it was your wedding you’d be singing an entirely different tune. A minor inconvenience? How would you know that? For all you know people could have paid for airfare to come to her wedding, for all you know she could have had food catered in and then no place to have it delivered to. For all you know she could have had a parent or relative who was terminally ill that was going to come but because it had to be postponed or whatever they might not have lived long enough to be there. This is what’s wrong with people nowadays, always making assumptions about what the circumstances were/are and then spouting their mouth off making them look like what in the end, oh yea, an ass. There were weddings planned to be had in some of the national parks, weddings that took months of planning, reservations that had to be made months/years in advance because they were booked solid, expenses that went into the planning, for food, for rentals, etcetc and then abruptly told at the last minute, sorry people, no weddings to be had here, the parks are closed.

      • MoodyCreator

        For all Kelly knows…Stephanie wasn’t even making any claims that she suffered the most. I’ll bet she is fully aware of how others were hurt. I think she just wanted to share that she was hurt, and that it meant something to her.. Nice going, Kath.

      • MoodyCreator

        Kelly,it isn’t Stephanie’s fault that “your” day was no big deal.

    • MoodyCreator

      Stephanie, I am so sorry. I am sorry for all of the planning and preparations I’m sure you put into what should have been “Your Day”. I’m sorry that Ted Cruz decided that, no…it was HIS day. When all is said and done, I hope ALL of your future days keep getting better. Maybe he can at least send you the gift of seeing his start to be progressively worse and I hope he goes out on the same “bang” he rode in on. Congratulations on your new marriage. 🙂

  • Popcorn

    So you own a business and you don’t have a financial safety net to protect you for two weeks of light business? Doesn’t sound like much of a business.

    • Informer

      Did you even bother to fully read and comprehend the article?? That lady had already taken a severe hit to her business due to the wildfires in her area, perhaps that is where her savings went to keep her business open for the duration of those fires. Now you have some pompous ass grandstanding for HIS own political gain and pushing people like her and many others over the brink of financial disaster! He doesn’t give a rats ass about her or any other American, he’s only in it for his own personal gain and benefit. I guess you applauded him going out in front of the White House and standing with people who were flying the Confederate flag proudly displaying what a racist he is, you didn’t hear one peep out of him or Palin denouncing that flag being flown in front of our Capital endorsing the hate and bigotry that goes with it! That bigot and his fellow tea party nuts were the ones responsible for that memorial being closed in the first place! One other thing, this lady IS part of the private sector that took a terrible hit as far as her business is concerned. She was in business for 10 years so she must have been doing something right to have survived the recession when other businesses like hers were closing left and right!

    • Jason Mann

      You’re a dumbass, aren’t you? Pathetic imbecile!

    • Tiredoffools

      Her business was near one of the National Parks that had fires, then the shutdown, and voila, no business. People should really learn to read the whole article before commenting.

      • kwilson

        Maybe she should have purchased ‘government shutdown’ insurance, since she relies so heavily on government operations to keep her in business….

      • hdtex

        God what an insufferable FOOL you are.

  • Joseph Corral

    Obama was NOT responsible for the shutdown; this was only caused by Republican extremists. Stop twisting reality with LIES!

  • Therese

    Being furloughed for 16 days, is nothing compared to what the private sector suffered at the hands of gov’t in 08. Now that was a crime.

  • Tall_Stacey

    My job was terminated, I am unemployed, because the small social service non-profit providing shelter to homeless families I worked for could not access 20 thousand dollars of committed grant funding since HUD was shutdown. Congress spent more than that to keep their gym open.

  • dot

    The big problem is the Republican party is so far removed from the everday American, they just cannt feel the pain. So big deal, a few lost weeks wages. How many of the tea party went without because of it? Instead of the the tea party why dont the call themselves :”the republican taliban?

  • Dave

    These messages are going to be lost on teapublicans who have no intelligence and are psychopaths. They have no empathy for anyone but themselves. These messages need to go to the electorate, a majority of voters in gerrymandered districts, a majority of voters who have been touched by this disaster. Short of filing a class action suit against the Republican Party for wasting $24B of taxpayer money, we have to find a way to up-end their apple cart. The states who sent Cruz, King, Neugebaur, et al, should pay attention to the losses experienced by real people over real issues. Thank you for writing this article. Please continue to collect stories and post them. Perhaps some can help these people financially (like Ellen De Generes did with the waitress from New Hampshire), or we can send them business. To make an effective political statement, these stories need to be tallied on the ledger to be used when election time comes.

  • Collean

    We won’t forget. The repugnantcans will be back in February with another shutdown.

  • Robert

    It’s not just the republican its the democrats too, Both parties re equally to blame for the shut down!!!!!! I’m not a very political person but think our two party system is a joke anyhow they fight about shit that has no effect on a real persons life anyhow!!!! My parents live in rural Pennsylvania and were affected my dad is still working without a paycheck for the 4th week now. But all these mother fuckers in office still got their paychecks I bet and they have no time frame as to when they will see their wages!!!!! But yet god fobid my parents are late paying their taxes due to loss of income and they would loose their house soooooooo just tell me how the fuck that is fair!!!!! You want something done take away the president’s wages and every single member of congress and every elected official in this mother fucking country and then not only will we be out of debt we will be making money and might be able to bring some businesses back to the us instead of sending everything overseas!!!!!!! This country is soooo fucked if we don’t stop pointing fingers and take a good hard look in the mirror!!!!!

    • Informer

      No Robert, this was entirely the tea party and the sad pathetic Republicans that didn’t have the balls to stand up to 30-40 tea party members. Cruz stood on national tv and said he would do anything, and he meant anything to defund the ACA and by golly he did, he shut the government down because Boehner was to weak to do his job! He could have called for a vote on a clean CR but he refused to do so to pander to Cruz and the rest of the tea party nuts. The President had to stand firm and keep saying that he would work with them on the ACA after they passed the clean CR. If he had caved then he would have sent the message to Cruz and any other nut job that they could get their way if they held the country hostage and that would be a very bad precedent to set, it would have ended democracy as we know it now. Do we have a perfect system, is it always fair, oh heck no, but it’s better than the alternative. I’m sorry your parents were put thru hardship during the shutdown but there’s only one party to blame for that and that’s the one who thought it was ok to take food off the table of Americans because they lost 42 repeal attempts.

  • nokooladehere

    Nice try. Like it or not, the republicans in the house passed bills to open national parks and other popular bipartisan programs which the Dem Senate chose to sit on so they could have the “issue”. No, sorry, these people affected by the parks could have been fine.

    • hdtex

      sorry but the house does NOT get to pick and chose what bills to pay after they have spent the money. Idiot.

  • Fed Up

    A 2 week shutdown caused all that? Doubtful…

    • Dr.E

      This shutdown likely bankrupted 1,000s of our citizens. For what? Ego ego ego.

    • Informer

      Read the story again and try to comprehend it a bit better than you obviously did the first time. This lady was already hit hard by the recession, was hit hard by the wildfires in the area which caused mass evacuations of the park near her. She depends on the traffic coming and going from the park to keep her business going. Then on top of all that she was hit hard again by 16 days of NO traffic at all, NO business at all. She still had to pay employees to come in hoping that perhaps there may be some traffic. Let’s see how long you’d last paying out bills with NO income coming in whatsoever. She still had to pay the power company, she still had to pay her vendors, some employees to be on the premises, she still had to pay her water bill, gas bill, whatever other normal operating expenses she had.

  • JoeBS

    The sad sick thing is that it’s very likely many of the same people affected by the shutdown buy into the misleading rhetoric from Fox and conservative talking heads, and probably blame the president for the mess. They’ll likely vote for the same Republican and Tea Party nuts who did this to them, with a smile on their faces and a little hate in their hearts.

  • Phyllis Meshack-Bennett

    Kudos to each of you who have posted, and moreover, who have told the absolute truth about the condition of this country, and what (collectively) has caused it, and given a very accurate timeline of the progress of our national rush toward ruin. That being said, I believe that we, as progressives, must keep this dialogue going. Do not stop talking. Repeat this as often as you can, so that the populace cannot forget the wasted opportunities for our growth during the last five years when November of next year comes around. We must be willing, as progressives, to talk and walk that walk. We must be willing to roll up our sleeves and get busy, becoming foot soldiers and warriors in the trenches of our communities and neighborhoods, telling the same truth as we spread the word. We must be wiling to truly make a difference not only in our own lives, but also for those who are living and struggling, many one to two paychecks away from homelessness. Your words are not empty if you back them up with action. Our communities and neighborhoods have grassroots movements which are going to need excited supporters and workers. Our parties will need and require knowledgeable and thinking individuals who are willing to give back and share their gifts, tools, knowledge and experience in community re-activation, and voter education. The nation must remember, come next year … and every year after … the time is now for us to proclaim, “No more, we’ve had enough!!” … “The Struggle Continues!!”

    • MoodyCreator

      Phyllis, I keep hearing that I am way to abrasive, unfair and mean. Hmmm.. Nope. I’m just pissed off, and the more rhetoric and cut ‘n’ pastes of the same, exhausted yackety-smack I read, the more I think I might really like to take them 2 x 2, by the hair, one in each fist, then just start conking heads together. Now THAT is mean, and not anything I WOULD do (but as far as I know, thought crimes aren’t real crimes anymore). :). The rest is just what happens when the next unlucky mouthpiece happens to be the one that breached the bull*** threshold for one day.

  • Sam

    It is a simple fact that the government shutdowns were not caused by the GOP but by the DNC. There is not a single place that could not have been kept open if Obama had wanted to do so. He did not and this government needs to be shutdown permanently.

    • Informer

      You are delusional! The tea party was cheering like they won something when the government was shut down. They won something alright, even the Koch brothers abandoned them and left them flapping in the wind, lol.

  • Susan Acciaiuoli

    I wrote this guest opinion for the District I live in, in Florida. It was refreshing to see someone else take the same angle on this matter.

    I have seen the comments by our District 1 Representative in the House of Congress, Jeff Miller, about how the dysfunction of Washington should be held responsible for the shutdown of Veterans’ Services across the country. I agree with him. Mr. Miller goes on to say the ball is in the Senate’s court where those services are concerned because the House has passed two bills, now over 125 days old, that would put the VA up and running. That is also an irrefutable fact. One problem exists with Mr. Miller’s reasoning though. If he has always been so intent on funding the VA, then why did he vote for a spending bill he knew would cause a shutdown leading to this catastrophe? It seems the House has had a contingency plan over the past year to build up to this shut down with a handful of Republican House Members admitting to as much on networks across the nation. Is Mr. Miller part of this plot to shut down the government? I believe the pre-hashed VA bills are proof that he is. He is also currently not on the list of Congressmen in the House who are willing to sign a “clean bill” and end the shutdown. Thousands of people in his own District are currently furloughed: people with families, homes, bills to pay and food to buy, and even though Mr. Miller along with some of his constituents has sent a letter asking for furloughed employees to be put back to work, this is all after the fact as if they are slowly regaining consciousness and becoming aware of the nightmare reality they have created for Americans. Meanwhile, a food borne illness outbreak has converged on the country, including Florida, and the FDA is not on the job. The CDC has halted work on a deadly bacterium which has already killed one person in our area. They have shuttered their doors and gone home, closing their flu program at the beginning of flu season. The EPA has halted cleanup efforts on hundreds of hazardous sites throughout the nation. And while the consensus of local agencies is that approximately 20% of residents in this area are without health insurance, Mr. Miller has joined his Republican cohorts in Washington to waste over 50 million dollars fighting The Affordable Care Act with the counter clicking off 1.6 billion more and counting squandered for the shutdown. All of the aforementioned affect Mr. Miller’s District. This is more than a VA problem. To express concern for Veterans is commendable, but it flies in the face of individuals and families suffering significant hardship, facing unnecessary dangers, and ignores the bigger shut down picture. Squandering tax payer money is not the answer to the problem of fiscal responsibility! Crying foul after the fact for a problem you took part in causing is not acceptable. Expecting one side to cave in to these barbaric tactics is unreasonable and sets a dangerous precedent for future negotiations. Holding a nation hostage while the details of measure after measure to undo each piece of that reckless action are hashed out in bipartisan bickering is just mortifying. If Mr. Miller’s leadership is supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the people, this is a poor execution of that responsibility. I say sign the clean bill and be done with it. Term limits are a good idea too. Perhaps 12 years has made Mr. Miller too comfortable in running his own agenda in Washington, consequently not staying in touch with the needs of the people he was elected to represent. The citizens of District 1 should remember that when the primaries and midterms come around next year.

    • Informer

      I couldn’t agree with you more! It’s amazing to me that people cannot open their eyes, look around at their fellow human beings that were affected by this shutdown, other than government workers. Most people seem to think that the government workers were the ONLY people affected by this callous disregard of human life by the tea party nuts and the Republicans that enabled them to commit this atrocity against the American people.

  • Ilpalazzo

    so you’re saying that the ‘pain’ these people suffered for a few weeks because the executive branch barricaded their businesses is the fault of Republicans who wanted to prevent a complete economic collapse for everyone due to Obamacare?

    • Informer

      “Pain”? You consider losing your entire livelihood as this woman did with her business just a minor “pain” she suffered for 16 days due to the tea party and the republican enablers that shut the government down? What is wrong with you???? I bet if it was your business that you lost after 10 years of hard work, sweat, tears, long nights of worrying if you were going to make it financially you’d be singing a way different tune! This is money these people will never get back unlike the furloughed government workers who we Americans got to pay to sit at home on their rear ends watching tv, relaxing, knowing they were going to get their pay in the end just like all these Congress people and Senators, some of which refuse to give up their pay, like the NC congresswoman who’s husband is a freakin’ surgeon, she needed her paycheck but she thought everyone else including hard working Americans didn’t need theirs!

      • Ilpalazzo

        Again, you’re supporting what I just said. You’re blaming the actions of the executive branch on the legislative branch. And what I’m saying is that you’re looking at the loss of this one person’s business and income – that was caused by a simple barricade in the street — instead of the future problem wrought by Obamacare where nearly every small business and productive member of society will feel that same pain equally.

        Any person with any common sense can see that the math in that bill is unsustainable. Healthcare reform? Sure! Tho this is healthcare insurance reform – but yes, it’d be a dreamy world where we can afford to subsidize costly insurance premiums for illegal immigrants and parasites without it adding any additional costs – but that’s pretty impossible, and sure as heck not present in this ‘law’. But go ahead and lean forward – it’s time your for regularly scheduled rectal exam.

      • Informer

        I’m not supporting one thing you said at all. You are delusional. The subsidies that people will get are in the form of tax credits, deductions, just like all these rich people get for nothing. It’s not paper money being handed over to them. I’m self-employed, I’ve paid for my own health insurance for years now. I have a pre-existing condition which has thrown my premiums sky high. When I first started looking for insurance when I left full time employment to start my own business I was quoted a rate of $2400 from BCBS per month, now the same company is quoting me $762 per month since the ACA was enacted, I can do the math, geez, that’s a substantial savings for me and I get NO subsidy because I make too much money. Has the Republican party came up with one viable alternative to healthcare reform? NO! They have had chance after chance to do something but they were too busy starting illegal wars built on lies and then hiding the cost of those wars off the books and away from the American people. All they’ve done is spent $50 million dollars trying to repeal the law 42 times and now $24 million shutting the government down and I’m to believe they are the self-proclaimed party of less government spending, lol, that’s laughable.

      • Informer

        One other thing, there were two people talked about in this above story. If you read through all these comments you will see where there were far more than these two people who were affected and hurt by this shutdown. This is all on the head of the tea party who actually cheered when the shutdown occurred and not one moderate Republican in Congress had the balls to stand up to them and say enough, this is hurting the American people too much because they are not millionaires and suck at the government tit like we do!

    • MoodyCreator

      Who said THAT? You clicked the wrong page, Hp.

  • MoodyCreator

    I wonder how long it will take Rush Lowlife to call the people like those in this article one of his nasty names..or how long before Michele Bachman declares them parasites who may no longer eat, especially the one who wasn’t “personally responsible” enough to keep her business while the customers were re-routed elsewhere. She should have planned ahead for a government shutdown. Starve her first. What horrible people! They LOVE to talk about the forefathers, and even have the arrogance to assume with empirical surety the thoughts and intentions of the forefathers – and even if it was all true, why the hell does anybody still give a damn? They weren’t necessarily the most brilliant men, they were the best educated and had the most money. They weren’t “great” enough to end slavery and genocide in their time. WHY NOT? Screw the forefathers. YES. I said that.

    Another thing. Remember how when the colonists first started stealing the land over here, claiming it for the crown, etc? Yeah, the people who SHARED with them to try and help them NOT starve? They killed them. Most of them. But they did share what they hunted or grew. If 10 men went on a hunt, and only 4 of them were successful. 3 of them got 1 rabbit each, and 1 got 8 pheasants, a squirrel and an 8-pt. buck. Did they part for the day, each keeping ALL of what they got, and told the others “Dude…sorry. Sucks to be you.’ ? DID THEY?

  • Taumy

    The “peripherals” are never thought or spoken of. They were the ones I was worried about all along.

    They wont be Christmas shopping either – corporate F&^&%ers!

  • Kendra Bradley Line

    The only time a Republican cares for a “constituent” is when they’re a fetus! Once they’re born, they don’t give a damn about them at all – until they’re 18 and can vote. (That is, if all the cuts to Head Start programs and education haven’t put them into barely-minimum-wage jobs that they can’t live on.) Absolutely disgusted! They need a permanent time-out for this tantrum!

    • MoodyCreator

      Well…they sorta care during fundraising for election campaigns too. They send tons of email, several a day. I wonder if that counts when they talk about “reaching out to constituents”? I’ll bet they count it, then claim they “reach out” the most. Liars.

      • Informer

        Don’t forget who foots the bill for all those mailings as well, me, you and everyone else. Can we say campaign reform? lol

  • gemma liar

    im still awaiting th shitBAGS on FOX “news” to show THESE types of stories,,,,hey fat ass Hannity! hey michelle “no tits & hating life ” malkin!!!! hey O’reilly!!! hey all U crybaby liars on FOX– and ALLL the scumbag small dicked trash who WATCH FOX “news” religiously,,,,,ANY THOUGHT ON THIS ????? “yes….its collateral damage for the overall GOOD of “America”

  • Michael Hense

    i saw this interview and it brought tears to my eyes…

  • Reality Check

    Really,,your life is destroyed because of 2 weeks of slow business, Sounds like you have a crappy business plan to start with. If you can’t survive a couple of weeks without a paycheck you have bigger problems. What if it rained for those 2 weeks and there was no tourism? Did the politics behind the shut down suck…yes. But it sounds like a VERY small minority of people are using it as an excuse for bad financial planning on their part. Start taking responsibility for your own life and stop blaming the gov’t or waiting for them to take care of things for you!

    • Informer

      Well aren’t you a ray of little miss mary sunshine, didn’t take the time to read the whole story and see that she had been in business for 10 years, that her business suffered due to the Bush recession and then hit hard by the wildfires in the area which kept customers away for quite a period of time due to the area being evacuated?? Then consider having NO customers, not just slow, for 16 days and trying to make it paycheck to paycheck after those previous hits. A lot of people in this country have been living paycheck to paycheck since the recession with cut hours, cut pay, cut benefits. If you are one that hasn’t suffered due to that then kudos to you. I suppose you call yourself a Christian as well, if you do, how does it feel to kick someone when they are down like that? That’s very Christian of you and oh so neighborly of you as well. You fall into the same category of cold-hearted, mean spirited and callous people like the dude I spoke with earlier. Your total lack of empathy for your fellow human beings is sickening and you make me sick to my stomach. I pray you don’t ever have the proverbial rug yanked from under your feet but you know what they say about karma, she’s awaiting on you.

    • Dr.E

      You just don’t get it. Millions of people lost 2 weeks of income; those people live paycheck to paycheck. Several million kids received no free food, often the only meal they get for the entire day. People are poor; poor does not portend a business plan. You are seeing this through rose colored glasses. Bills have to be paid; businesses must have product. Two weeks can mean life or death… literally!

  • MoodyCreator

    I’ll bet that everyone who refuses to accept that POTUS was taking a stand for future presidents, not “refusing to compromise”, they would ALL understand it this way: Had it been Nancy Pelosi’s gavel, demanding they repeal or de-fund Citizens United, or she and her party wouldn’t hesitate to torpedo the whole government. Sure you would.

    POTUS was morally and ethically bound to not set that precedent. Now THAT would be a REAL “slippery slope”. Seriously. German Shepherds will never be holding rallys or marching on Washington, demanding marriage rights with humans, pigeons, iguana prostitutes – they just wont. (btw, if I’m wrong on that, only humans can speak for themselves, so they would have to be ok with it too, still “no” on the others..just so you know, in case it’s on you).

    See, Obama really is a pretty sharp guy, who is doing all he can in spite of your “Don’t tread on me” zealots. Say “thank you” for once. Or just be quiet.

    Oh, and as for the Gasden? I declare that POTUS just won the right to reclaim it, The right is *wrong* again!

    “…She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage…”, said Ben Franklin.

    You’re welcome.

  • eberrywagner

    Makes me cry. I have been signing every petition that comes my way with some hope that these despicable humans who were hired to serve the American people and instead, screwed them over, are punished to fullest extent of the law.

    • bobmead1960

      Yah, why did Obuma close open memorials, never done in American history, and yet have illegal immigrants protest on the mall lawn. Vets can’t see their memorials but illegals are free to roam on the mall lawn???? Rather odd country we live in.

      • eberrywagner

        I can see you are just another ignorant American who obviously doesn’t understand how the government shut down works. Obama did not close the memorials…it was caused by the extreme right lunatics in the House who refused to fund the government – which includes memorials and state parks, etc. Please at least try to stop being an idiot and you fare much better in our society.

      • bobmead1960

        Lovely how the left always seems to like to stoop to insults. So maybe you might end up wearing that hat. Sure you watched Mr. Jarvis head of NPS spoke in front of congress that he consulted the WH about the actions to be taken. Oops! Why have the parks never been shut down in any other of our histories shut downs other than obuma. Where did the they get the money for barricades and people to put up these fotresses over and over? Doesn’t seem like a real shut down to me. Why did the president have his golf course open for him. That was funded???? Seems pretty funny. Who is ignorant now. Facts are always facts! check it out before you speak next time. Who’s “ignorant?”

      • eberrywagner

        The Left resorts to insults? Seriously? The tea party is a movement of bigots and hateful people whose agenda is for a small group of delusional people in this country and I believe most of the people in this country agree – except, of course, for the people like you who seem to support these lunatics. I merely stated a fact that you are obviously ignorant to how the government works- sorry if you feel that is in insult but it’s the truth. Obama did not shut down the government or the memorials – he doesn’t get to pick and choose which government jobs are shut down! Read up on it. Oh, and the golf course? LOL. What about tanning salons so John Boehner can get his fake tan? Please, you sound even more ridiculous in your second comment. Give it up already. It is people like you that make our country a hateful place. And you talk about facts? You probably watch Fox News, too, and they can’t get a fact straight if they tried. You people are laughable. Go back into your bubble and good luck to you!

      • bobmead1960

        Let me see you use ignorant, bigots, delusional, hateful and aren’t sure if they are insults???? I feel for your spouse, kids or friends. Let me say it slower. Jarvis consulted with the WH as to what to do. He could site no regulation when called before congress as to why he acted as he did. But he could not close ‘The Occupy group’ from camping on the lawn for 100 days. Even though there are regulations against sleeping on the lawn. Not hypocritical at all?????? Bye the Bye, Congress did try to open the National Parks, which Barry Hussien likes to close, but the Senate and President didn’t want to fund them. But sure you want to blame Bush for that too.

      • eberrywagner

        The truth hurts,doesn’t it. Yes, and I will repeat it R-E-A-L S-L-O-W (because you seem to like that) and add a few more so you really get how I feel about you and the tea party: insane, bigots, racists, crazy religious extreme right wing nut jobs. Okay? Not arguing with you, buddy. You are not worth it. I really don’t care what you have to say because you obviously are as ridiculous as the criminals you support. Bye now.

      • bobmead1960

        See you “lib-tards” are cool that you hate facts and people just because they disagree with you. Who made you God? When did your point become the only or perfect way? Must be tough living in such a bubble excluded from other thoughts. just spend and spend and don’t about debt. But the left usually only cares about themselves. Good luck.

      • hdtex

        Teabagging Koch-sucker.

      • bobmead1960

        you guys “built it” now own it. Nanny states are the norm. 35 out of 50 states now pay people more to be on welfare than working. WOW! WAY to GO MO!

      • hdtex

        Oh look! Another middle-aged white dude who can’t grasp the loss of his world of privilege. Go Koch suck over on the Faux Nooz site teabagger.

      • bobmead1960

        Sad that such hate abounds. wonder if you would treat your family or friends the same way for disagreeing. But good day!

      • hdtex

        My family and friends are not abject idiots who are bigoted, hateful, and misogynistic. I won’t wish you a good day or call you friend. Idiot.

      • bobmead1960

        Mine are either and you are ignorant to make such a statement that is as insulting as that is. I am a man of God, some would call a Pastor, but I don’t flaunt it and you throw that out there just for people who oppose your thinking. Shame on you. Still Good day!

      • hdtex

        Re-read your comment. You don’t even make sense….As for you being a “pastor” that just shows you’re a special kind of stupid. If YOU are a man of god you and your god are both idiots.Have a [email protected] day moron.

      • bobmead1960

        You sound like you need a deal. I will give you a proposition that you are probably not desirous or up to such a challenge. Not that you are not able to do such a challenge, but you have a direction in your life that you are trying to satisfy. So the challenge is “I can prove God exists” and “I can prove that all 5 major religions are wrong or one is right.” You a man or a mouse squeak up! Just kidding.

      • hdtex

        Bob, I’ve got a deal for you….GO FUCK YOURSELF with something sharp and jagged and we’ll call it even.

      • hdtex

        Wow Bob…..did you go to school to learn such elucidating terms as “lib-tards”.We welcome your contribution to the discussion of macroeconomics…….BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Moron.

      • bobmead1960

        You would be so easy to debate. You just rant and rave and never refer to facts. I can prove the existence of God! I do apologetic books for God. Take up the challenge.

      • hdtex

        GOD BUT YOU ARE DUMB.

      • hdtex

        GOD BUT YOU ARE A DOLT.

      • hdtex

        Who is ignorant? YOU are ignorant.

      • hdtex

        Bob with a target like you it’s hard NOT to insult. Big….old….stupid…..conservutard. See? And those are just your better qualitites.

      • hdtex

        GOD BUT YOU ARE A MORON.

    • bobmead1960

      That’s why we should get rid of Obuma. He promised everything good and has only delivered everything bad!

      • hdtex

        GOD BUT YOU ARE STOOOOPID.

  • jane

    i feel bad people have lsot a lot out of the gov shut down. shame. they all need to be removed. if the gov had not opened back up then china would of been over here running things. we owe china so much money they hold the pink slip to the united states. our gov should be a shamed of them selfs for letting it go this far. they are nothing but greedy whore dogs to money.

    • Dr.E

      I agree. But don’t be fooled about China. We own a lot of their property, too. That was just media pushing the envelope.

  • DeadPhish

    I think it should be legally necessary to have the House of Representatives (at least) represent the average American from their district. As it stands, more than two-thirds of Congress are millionaires….most Americans will never see a million dollars in their life times.

    Put a reasonable salary cap on the job, like calling “political cash donations” bribes, because that’s what they really are. And, since the House was never intended to be a career, we should cap that at two terms – period.

    Oh, and those gerrymandered congressional districts that are screwing everything up should be abolished. Create new national guidelines on what districts are, or are supposed to be.

    So tired of all the bullshit.

    • bobmead1960

      You should know which parties have the most and highest millionaires. Dumbocrats. It’s a fact! Check it out.

      • hdtex

        GOD BUT YOUR DUMB.

  • Bess

    So who’s gonna be the one to start a crowdsourcing campaign for these people?

  • Frank DiSalle

    Maybe the Senate should have passed the budget with EVERY SINGLE PARK, MUSEUM, MONUMENT AND MEMORIAL PAID FOR. Then none of those people would have suffered. And let’s not forget that the President said that if they did pass the Budget without Obamacare included, AND the raising of the Debt Ceiling approved, he was going to veto it, anyway.
    But if it makes you feel better to blame Ted Cruz, or the Tea Party or the Republicans, knock yourselves out.

  • Shana

    The TeaParty needs to go the way of the tea party and be drowned in the Boston Harbor along with the insane bill of goods they think they have to offer the American People.

    • bobmead1960

      Yah, Americans have never had a difference of opinion. We are just all clones who should think the same. Where have we heard that before???

  • ClearThinker

    I’ll get worked up about people affected by the government “shutdown” when you start writing pieces about the people affected by Obama policies. Where are the tears for them? Hypocrite.

  • ValerieWagner

    Like Allen. The Cochs of the word are the truck drivers–never forget that.

  • Kate

    This woman, Pamela Harris, should have had a 6 month emergency fund in place. There is no way this 16 day shutdown pushed her into closing her shop – its more likely she mismanaged her funds all along & is looking for someone to blame for that mismanagement. It is foolish to think the government will (or even should) take care of us – we are responsible for our own financial choices.

    • Informer

      What part about the recession hit her business hard don’t you understand? What part about the wildfires in the National Park that she is close to evacuating and shutting down therefore depriving her of business then do you not get? What part about 16 days with no customers at all due to the park being shut down again, within a month or so of the wildfires do you not get? The bills still have to be paid, electricity, water, gas, food, vendors, etcetcetc. Do you have a 6 month emergency fund in place where you could live at your current comfort level? She wasn’t asking or depending on the government to take care of her, she wasn’t getting government funds! Your lack of empathy for your fellow human beings is deplorable! Do you call yourself a Christian as well? WWJD, would he spit on her and kick her while she’s down as you just did? I think not.

      • Kate

        Yes, I understand things out of her control happened – but isn’t that what an ’emergency fund’ is for? It doesn’t take much – just some hard work and dedication to complete this. Just because you asked, yes: I have my 6 month fund in place. And I am coming from a Christian view – we do all the work we can, we give every effort in every part of our lives, and when we cannot do anymore – that is when Christ will step in. It sounds like she was living by the seat of her pants and not doing everything she could. Yes, I have loads of compassion for people. I know from my personal experiences what it’s like to be hurting – and I promised myself I would work my guts out so I am never in that position again. The government didn’t help me, my family didn’t help me, no one helped me but myself and my determination. I didn’t cry in front of the world for a handout. Informer, your mindset of having someone else pay the bills for you or that the government should step in, is a bit of a joke. Our government was never set up that way and should never have been changed to ‘save’ people. If charity needs to be given, it should – as you pointed out – be done by charities and churches. Given freely and donated willing. We all reap what we sow. As the bible teaches, we should first set our own house up with a strong foundation and give 10% to the church along the way. Never does it state the government should step in and give out handouts. Of course Christ would never spit on her or kick her while she was down (a bit dramatic, don’t you think? Calm down honey…) He would willingly and generously help and teach her to not make the mistakes again. This is all very basic knowledge and common sense dear, common sense.

      • Informer

        Kate, please point out to me where/anywhere in any of my posts that I said the government should step in and pay this woman’s or anyone’s bills for that matter, you can’t, because I NEVER said that so I guess the joke is on you. My beef has been with people who have no compassion or empathy whatsoever about what this woman has went through because of a few idiots in Congress who were pouting because their 42 attempts at appealing a law failed and their subsequent attempt to hold the government hostage! Not ONCE have I said that the government should step in to save her or anyone else. So go “attempt” to chastize someone else and perhaps next time you should actually read and comprehend what someone else says before making your unfounded accusations. Like I’ve said in my posts, none of us know the hardships she has been through. She was in business for 10 years, a food business at that which is hard to maintain and succeed at in the first place. She dealt with the recession, never fully recovered from that because as we all know when people have to tighten the belt due to recession the first thing that do is stop all their extracurricular activities, like movies, like going out to eat at restaurants, like going to the national parks and camping out, things that cost extra money. She survived being closed down or a vast loss in business due to the wildfires which closed down that park she is located close too for a while, she still had to pay her bills thru all this just like the rest of us did plus keep staff on hand and pay them as well while her income plummeted, then add another couple weeks and a few days of NO business at all because the parks closed and it pushed her over the edge. She wasn’t asking for handouts from anyone either, she was expressing her sorrow at losing something she had worked her tail off for 10 years to keep! Just how much money do you think it takes to run a business such as a restaurant, buying food and hoping that people do stop by to eat it before it spoils and you have to throw it out, how much takes it take to keep staff on hand when there is NO income coming in or very little income and on top of all the restaurant bills you still have to maintain your home, food in your home for your kids, family, electricity on in both places, water, gas, etcetcetc. Her’s were not normal expenses for the ordinary person, she was having to maintain two separate places, rent or mortgage payments on two separate places, utilities, etc. She didn’t mention losing her home just her business which indicates she did/does have some sort of “emergency” fund in place. But now she has to look for employment elsewhere to maintain her home and we all know in today’s economy how tough that can be. Empathy, really? You just did the same thing everyone else did and kicked her while she was down, berating her because she doesn’t have this grandoise “emergency” plan in place, you have no clue how much money she had to pull out of savings to keep her business afloat during the recession, the wild fires and the 16 day shutdown. But yea, tell me more about your empathy.

      • Informer

        Kate, please point out to me where/anywhere in any of my posts that I said the government should step in and pay this woman’s or anyone’s bills for that matter, you can’t, because I NEVER said that so I guess the joke is on you. My beef has been with people who have no compassion or empathy whatsoever about what this woman has went through because of a few idiots in Congress who were pouting because their 42 attempts at appealing a law failed and their subsequent attempt to hold the government hostage! Not ONCE have I said that the government should step in to save her or anyone else. So go “attempt” to chastize someone else and perhaps next time you should actually read and comprehend what someone else says before making your unfounded accusations. Like I’ve said in my posts, none of us know the hardships she has been through. She was in business for 10 years, a food business at that which is hard to maintain and succeed at in the first place. She dealt with the recession, never fully recovered from that because as we all know when people have to tighten the belt due to recession the first thing that do is stop all their extracurricular activities, like movies, like going out to eat at restaurants, like going to the national parks and camping out, things that cost extra money. She survived being closed down or a vast loss in business due to the wildfires which closed down that park she is located close too for a while, she still had to pay her bills thru all this just like the rest of us did plus keep staff on hand and pay them as well while her income plummeted, then add another couple weeks and a few days of NO business at all because the parks closed and it pushed her over the edge. She wasn’t asking for handouts from anyone either, she was expressing her sorrow at losing something she had worked her tail off for 10 years to keep! Just how much money do you think it takes to run a business such as a restaurant, buying food and hoping that people do stop by to eat it before it spoils and you have to throw it out, how much takes it take to keep staff on hand when there is NO income coming in or very little income and on top of all the restaurant bills you still have to maintain your home, food in your home for your kids, family, electricity on in both places, water, gas, etcetcetc. Her’s were not normal expenses for the ordinary person, she was having to maintain two separate places, rent or mortgage payments on two separate places, utilities, etc. She didn’t mention losing her home just her business which indicates she did/does have some sort of “emergency” fund in place. But now she has to look for employment elsewhere to maintain her home and we all know in today’s economy how tough that can be. Empathy, really? You just did the same thing everyone else did and kicked her while she was down, berating her because she doesn’t have this grandoise “emergency” plan in place, you have no clue how much money she had to pull out of savings to keep her business afloat during the recession, the wild fires and the 16 day shutdown. But yea, tell me more about your empathy.

      • Kate

        Hummm… Informer, sounds like you need to go back and read my posts again. Everyone should have an basic, 6 month emergency fund. This is a no brainer – one for your home, and one for your business (if you are a business owner). She shouldn’t have run things so close to the edge – it’s her own fault and lack of preparedness that caused her business to fail, not the government being shut down for 16 days. Pathetic that should would cry about it instead of looking inside and realizing her business plan (or lack thereof) was the real problem. Informer – how is it that you have so much time to leave these long, ranting posts? Just curious? Are you living off government welfare, just sitting at home posting all day? Maybe instead of criticizing our government you should be working on yourself & perhaps, your own emergency fund? Just a thought.

      • Informer

        I read your post loud and clear Kate, you accused me of stating that the government should step in and pay her bills, I challenged you to show me where I said that. Your response is typical of someone that spouts off claiming crap and not being able to back it up. But that’s very Christian of you now clearly kicking her while she’s down, lol, therefore making your original claim of being oh so Christian quite lacking. As far as my posts, your own post is right up there in length darling so how’s that kettle thing working out for you. As far as me living off welfare, lol, typical right wing blast when someone holds you accountable for your words/actions. But no darlin’, I don’t live off the government, I’m self-employed and not that I need to tell you but my income is in the 6 digit figure and that’s without the decimal point. I pay my own insurance, my own bills, never once have taken a government handout which btw I could if I were so inclined because technically according to the Social Security website, my Dr and my neurosurgeon I’m disabled, they’d love for me to go on disability and stop working but I don’t need to do that. So now take your pathetic “Christian” self and go display that wholesome “Christian” character of your’s elsewhere, you’re quite laughable proclaiming yourself as such.

      • Kate

        Informer, while it is interesting that you are not able to process what I actually wrote – and then try to pretend you ‘challenged’ me to some sort of nonsense that I couldn’t back up (?) I really must ask: Have you thought this through? Oh wait – I guess that’s where you show that your mind is not in the right place (guess your pretend neurosurgeon are doctor are correct in their ‘assessments’). And to make up false figures like that? Shame on you. How dare you try to make this about YOU instead of the real issue at hand. But, since you brought it up, If you have to lie to ‘prove’ you are right, that just goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are and complete lack of understanding how the real world works. As far as your posts dear, please review not only the posts on my comment (which has done nothing but reinforce my point – thank you by the way) but also the many many others you have left. Which leads me back to the issue at hand: this woman should have had her house in order to begin with. Period. This is what happens when you don’t take the time to plan things out and manage things. It is not the fault of the government or anyone else – it is her business, and her responsibility alone. Pity, I’m sure, but that is just how the world of business works.

      • Informer

        Lol Kate, here you go, I put this little challenge to you several posts back: “Kate, please point out to me where/anywhere in any of my posts that I said the government should step in and pay this woman’s or anyone’s bills for that matter, you can’t, because I NEVER said that so I guess the joke is on you.” You’ve yet to show me where I ever said that because you can’t and once again you show your true “Christian” self by attempting to deflect the challenge by attacking me, it’s really laughable and oh so predictable. I thoroughly thought it out darlin’, my first post to you was stating how people lack empathy for this woman’s position, that was all and you have by far proved my point tho you did try to tell me that you did have empathy because of your solid “Christian” values, lol. As far as my mind, tsk tsk, such assumptions on your part, you know what they say about that don’t you? I have degenerative disc disease which has resulted in 3 spinal fusions, hence the neurosurgeon darlin’. As far as my income, if you’d like to provide an email address I’ll email you a copy of my 1099’s, simple as that. The only thing I’ve reinforced in your posts is your total lack of empathy and caring for your fellow human beings, which btw you just proved once again. You’re just pissed because I’m technically handicapped due to all the rods, pins, screws and titanium plates I have in my spine/neck and I probably pay more in taxes than you make in a year. As far as how the business world works I’m pretty sure you have not a clue to that either because you can’t seem to get it into your brain that natural disasters and man made ones do occur. I suppose if you lived in one of the flood plains or fire plains and lost everything you had you’d be crying as well. Now I’m done with you unless you want to provide that email address. Do note I can talk to you without calling you names, that’s another one of those “Christian” values you seem to lack and have displayed to anyone reading these threads, thank you for that. Now be gone shallow one, run back to your right wing pages where you belong.

  • bobmead1960

    If one can’t live two weeks without the government. What will happen to this country when no one will lend us another dime? When inflation is through the roof? How have people through the centuries survived without governmental supplements? How did American’s ever survive to populate the land. Indians must have not been here because they too had no government to depend on!

    • hdtex

      GOD BUT YOU ARE DUMB!

      • bobmead1960

        It took you 3 days to figure that out. Might you be just a tad slow?

  • James P

    folks, there is a flaw in the thinking of, “as long as people get the money back, no harm no foul” this is wrong. Many government workers and contractors get paid somewhere between Jack and fertilizer. many live paycheck to paycheck. the Bills keep coming folks! many debtors may forgive a late payment, but some will not. and FOOD gets eaten, when it’s gone, it’s gone. with no money, how can you buy more food? diapers? medicine. congress doesn’t care about the little people, just sound bytes on TV.

  • Balls

    I don’t care. Shut it all down so we rely on ourselves and make our own lives.

  • bailey78

    the only ones it had to no effect on were those that caused it. all of Us suffered some how.

  • dashtam

    And every one of these issues could have been taken care of. Bills were passed to fund all of these issues except for the ACA. All bills were refused. Remember, with one swoop of the pen none of this would have happened. There were people elected by saying they would do anything and everything they can to stop the ACA. That is what their constituents expect. It is really amazing that only about 2 or 3 guys in our government during this time were doing what they pledged to do. Like it or not.

  • Mary A

    Devastating? Was it enough to awaken the Sheep of America to stop voting on auto-pilot, or strict party loyalty or by infomercials that interrupt their sitcoms or cartoon shows the most. Devastation will be measured when Americans change and vote against anyone on the ballots who runs as a Democrat or Republican to fill a seat or position of power in the Local, State or Federal Government

  • Staalhjerte

    They should be able to sue those responsible. Hit them in their pocket books and see if they give a damn THEN.

  • Jeana Mohr

    And then- there were people like my Aunt- who were told that even though they were put on furlough and were not going to get paid- they better come to work and work anyhow- without pay- or lose their job. Are you kidding me! Come to work, for no pay… or lose your job? What part of America is this? There is no back pay…. it’s gone.

  • nwfultz

    And President Obama did what he could to make it worst. Do not forget that. Picking and choosing what to close and what to open. Though the President is the figurehead of his polictical party he is President first for the Country. President Obama has never learned that and has always hurt the other polictical party ie Republicans.This time he closed then opened then closed purely for polictical reasons sites in DC and others completely shutdown around the country that have never been affected in the past.

    • Informer

      NPS Director Jonathan Jarvis denied the charge that the closures were politically motivated. Most of the Park Service’s 20,000 employees have been furloughed during the shutdown severely limiting operations, he said.

      “Given the limited staff resources during the shutdown, prudent and practical steps were taken to secure life and property at these national icons where security has become increasingly complex in a post-9/11 world,” Jarvis said.

      Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District of Columbia’s Democratic non-voting congressional delegate, said Republicans blaming the National Park Service for closing the parks is “like voting for capital punishment and then blaming the hangman as capital punishment proceeds.”

  • Sam

    lol half to all of that is bull. I like how it dosn’t talk about the prison workers or police officers. Just the people that the demacrats singled out wait those groups were hit the hardest and they were rep. People need to wake up and realize both parties are corrupt as is the presidency.

    • Informer

      Police officers and most prison personnel are deemed “essential personnel” and were not furloughed. Most police officers are paid from city funds, which are derived from personal and property taxes of it’s citizens. However, I do believe Capital police were paid from government funds but they kept working being they would receive their back pay.

  • kr

    they get unemployment, more they they would have made.

    • Informer

      Who got unemployment? People who were not paid from the government like the lady above who lost her business could not file for unemployment unless she was paying unemployment tax on herself as well as her employees. Other subcontractors to the government could have filed for unemployment as well provided they were paying unemployment tax. Companies that were directly affected and had to lay people off could have filed as well. But you do realize that unemployment doesn’t come near to what their regular paycheck is/was. In NC our lovely governor capped unemployment at a max of $367 per week no matter how much you made, so if you normally made say $1000 per week, tough, you were only going to get $367. The government workers could have filed unemployment but were told if they did file and receive unemployment that they would have to pay it back once they got their back pay.

      • Informer

        It all depends on your states laws. I’m self-employed and contract out to other companies, by NC law I’m not required to pay unemployment insurance. Thank goodness the government is not one of my clients because I would have been SOL as they say, I couldn’t have drawn unemployment.

  • TLaMana

    It wasn’t Republicans that picked which 18% of government to shut down. That was all on Obama. He did it to punish those who stood up to him. It cost more to make sure they stayed closed then it does to keep them open.

  • katie

    politicans always for get about the little people (the ones wh make stuff happen) u nless there is a photo op for them

  • Eric Witte

    Now we get to go through it even worse because they decided to ignore the problem once again. Peoples lifes are going to be ruoned until we get rid of tge federal reserve and hold people in office accountable for their crimes.

  • If Obama wasn’t merely playing politics as HE refused to consider concessions during a shutdown, why did he pay MORE money for police and security at national parks than it would have cost simply to leave them alone or keep them open? He could have given all that money to folks who needed it. WHO was playing games and having a tantrum? Yeah. The Obama-nation himself.

    • hdtex

      Moronic asswipe.

  • Elizabeth Fortin

    obummer is the real culprit here. Stop blaming the rest of them. He is a big baby who threw a hissy-fit and stamped his foot because he wanted his way or no way. You can bet your bottom dollar he’ll do it again and again and still blame others for all the problems he causes. He’s destroying our great country left and right. Hitler must be proud. I know satan is.

  • Binoy Hoskote

    Is this the way America sets example to the rest of the World?Woe be it. We don’t need it. So-called powerful nation like America with a SHUTDOWN GOVERNMENT. Only those who brought it about should be proud of this degrading chapter in the Hitory of the great U S A. America dares deny VISA to Indian PM Candidate? We cares two hoots for US VISA. On what grounds? On hearsay and wrongful accusations? Is America free from RIOTING HISTORY? Acting sanctimonious and pretending to be protectors of the World with shutdown Government that is now standing on crutches? America needs India…not the other way around. American economy is heading for doldrums not India’s as time will tell. Stable US$ IS NO MORE STABLE. CHINA IS MORE STABLE.

  • masher

    Wait,’you want us to care about the people of America? That sounds like nationalism. Nationalism is wrong according to progressives. So I should be worried about all the people of Earth. And by shutting down the US government we saw US imports from communist China increase which helps the poor In China.

    You should be concerned about the poor in China and the all the people on Earth and NOT Americans.