Edward Snowden Says He’s ‘Very Fortunate’ to be in Russia, Makes Ridiculous Claim About Guantanamo

edward-snowdenI try to avoid talking about Edward Snowden because discussing him with many people, especially his supporters, is like debating guns with gun nuts.

People who support Edward Snowden don’t care what he says or does.  They don’t care that he leaked a lot of classified information that had nothing to do with the Constitutional rights of Americans.  Most of the people who support him think he’s a patriot no matter what facts are presented to them showing that he clearly had ulterior motives or acted recklessly and foolishly.

In fact, I’m predicting now that when this article gets posted to various Facebook pages, most of the people who support him will defend him without even reading the actual article.

His supporters don’t like the NSA and don’t trust our spy agencies, so pretty much no matter what Snowden says or does – he’s a patriot.  I’m sorry, but I don’t consider someone who flees to a country as despicable as Russia to save his own ass, “a patriot.”

Daniel Ellsberg didn’t run.

In fact, when Ellsberg surrendered to authorities he said, “I felt that as an American citizen, as a responsible citizen, I could no longer cooperate in concealing this information from the American public. I did this clearly at my own jeopardy and I am prepared to answer to all the consequences of this decision.”  

That is a patriot.

And even though some of what Snowden’s leaks revealed are things the American people needed to know, a lot of his actions are those of an egotistical narcissist who has their own agenda.

But for further proof of what an egomaniac this guy is, look no further than comments he made concerning possible detention at Guantanamo Bay.

“There’s always questions of asylum, you know, where I’m going to stay and how these things work out, but regardless of what happens, if I end up in chains in Guantanamo, I can live with that,” Snowden said.

Well, if he can live with that, then why is he in Russia?  And let’s not act like if he turned himself in he’d be shipped off to Guantanamo.

The ego of this guy.  As if he’s some hardened international terrorist they’d ship off to Guantanamo.

He reminds me of that person who took about three karate lessons after watching the Karate Kid, then they go around trying to talk like some amazing martial artist expert on par with Bruce Lee.

He also went on to say, “I think it would be very difficult to find any 12 Americans in the United States right now who would uniformly agree that the last year’s revelations about the NSA’s unconstitutional surveillance programs did not serve the public interest.”  

Which might be true if that’s all he leaked.  But like I said earlier, it wasn’t.  He leaked numerous documents detailing intelligence information that had absolutely nothing to do with our Constitutional rights as Americans. 

Hell, some of the information he leaked had nothing to do with the United States.

But maybe my favorite part is when he said, “We’ve asked the government again and again to provide for a fair trial and they’ve declined and I feel very fortunate to have received asylum.” 

Wait, he’s “very fortunate” to be in Russia? 

So, let me get this straight.  He leaked all this information because he was so appalled at what the NSA was doing, yet he feels fortunate to be in Russia?  The same Russia that just invaded Ukraine and controls what the media reports?  A country with an abysmal human rights record?

Yeah, he’s a real “patriot” alright.  He has such high standards of morality and ethics – that he has no problem allowing a nation like Russia to protect him.

At first I actually supported this guy.  But as time went on, and I looked at a lot of the information he leaked, I quickly saw that Edward Snowden isn’t any patriot.

He’s a traitor, an egomaniac and a coward.

And while I do feel that some of the information he leaked was important to our Constitutional rights, that doesn’t excuse all of his other indiscretions that aren’t the actions of a patriot – but of someone with their own personal agenda.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Michael

    So Allen, do you think he would get a fair trial if he turned himself in and returned to the states?

    • Mr_Gone2Rio

      I don’t know what Allen thinks, but I do. You think Russia would give him a fair trial if he leaked the same type of info about their security operations? He’d be shipped to Siberia in about 30 seconds.

      The guy is no hero.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I agree, not a hero, but neither is he a villian.

      • strayaway

        I just read an article in which Snowden addresses this.

        “I’m much happier here in Russia than I would be facing an unfair trial in which I can’t even present a public interest defence to a jury of my peers. We’ve asked [the] government again and again to provide a fair trial and they’ve declined.” “I made it very clear that I’d like to return to the United States and if the possibility for a fair trial existed, that would be something that could be pursued.”
        -Edward Snowden from “Edward Snowden Interview – the Edited Transcript” as found in the Guardian 7/18/2014

    • Stephen Barlow

      Do you even think he would GET a trial?

      • Mr_Gone2Rio

        Yes.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Not under the NDAA/Patriot Act. He won’t even get a lawyer or a hearing or a charge!!!

  • sherry06053

    As a consultant, he signed a confidentiality agreement. He decided he couldn’t live up to it and leaked information. That is illegal. He was in China and they let him go to Russia (China didn’t need that problem). Russia wasn’t his first choice – he wanted to go somewhere warm in South America. He just applied for an extension on his temporary asylum – THAT is why he’s saying good things about Russia. He’s screwed, but he brought it on himself and he deserves what he gets.
    OK, he exposed the abuse of power of the NSA, but the Patriot Act is what enabled them to do what they did and if it stopped anything like another 9/11, I have no problem with that. Has there been any incidents of American citizens harmed in this country by the NSA listening to our phone conversations? Snowden is not a hero – he’s a dope and should answer for his crimes. He had no right to “decide” to leak those documents. It was not his decision to make.

    • Stephen Barlow

      The truth is, 99.998% of the privacy the NSA invaded for more than a decade was FOR NOTHING.

      • Charles Vincent

        A lot of this started with the inception of the FISA court.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I KNOW! Secret courts, just like in the Soviet Union. Which is why I refer to the Republican Agenda as “The Sovietization of America.”

      • Charles Vincent

        ehh it started under Carter; Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) that’s beside the point

        Both parties actively built on it since its inception;

        http://en DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

  • strayaway

    Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR.)asked Clapper, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Clapper replied, “No sir … not wittingly.”.

    Here is one thing we learned from Snowden. We found out that President Obama’s NSA Director lied to Congress and that neither Congress nor the President did anything about it. That was huge. It tells us where the real cowardice and corruption is. Naomi Wolf warned us that every country that tortured foreigners eventually tortures its own citizens. Bradley Manning was stripped and left shivering in a cold cell for extended periods of time. Ok, that’s just soft torture that doesn’t seem even as bad as water boarding. Given that future, preferring asylum seems reasonable. Not everyone is a progressive who equates patriotism with masochism. Where are today’s Democrats like Sen. Mike Gravel (D-Alaska) who entered 4,100 pages of the Elsberg Papers into the Congressional record? Nader is gone. Kucinich is gone. They’ve been replace with sycophants of the regime undifferentiated from Cheney Republicans. It’s too bad that any American has to flee corrupt government officials who violate their constitutional oaths, lie, and torture Americans.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Amen to you!!!! The Contents of Nixon’s tapes even make it onto the Congressional Record?
      Is there an audio loop of the highlights at the Nixon Library? LMAO

      What about the tapes of Bush sucking Cheney’s d*ck while Cheney ran the war from the Executive washroom. Are those in The Bush library? Or are 18 minutes missing from those too?

      Anyway, this guy is NOT some notorious spy, just a very offended American, who was doing his 309,999,999+ neighbors a service.

  • felipe63

    If Snowden had happened under an “R” administration this page would be celebrating him as an hero. However, because he chose to reveal the lies of the NSA under a “D’ administration the guy is a criminal.

    One reason we can’t get anything done is the complete and utter lack of intellectual consistency in this country. Too many people take a “it’s okay if my guy does it, but I’ll scream like a little bitch if a guy from the other party does it” mentality. This article clearly represents that disingenuous, lower double standard for my party, mentality.

    Bottom line, James Clapper got up in front of congress and lied his ass off, CRIMINAL ACT, and his boss, the president, a guy with a “D” after his name doesn’t have the balls to hold him accountable for his crimes. Yet Mr. Clifton here does not give one flying fuck about that. It’s okay if the head of the NSA lies about their activities to the congress that is supposed to provide oversight. Well it’s okay as long as said liar works for a “D” administration…… as long as the person who reported the crime goes to jail, right Allen?

    Maybe you’re okay with crimes committed by ‘D’ administrations, personally I am not and I don’t care if there is a ‘D’ or an ‘R’ after the President’s name, crimes are crimes.

    This page is about as fair and balanced as Faux News, i.e., not at all.

    • markfey

      PS… No CRIME has been committed by the Obama Administration (or alleged for that matter.)

      I may agree with the ‘D’ or ‘R’ portion of Felipe’s post. But the only CRIME involved is the one that Snowden did.

      • Stephen Barlow

        The PATRIOT ACT was a CONSTITUTIONAL CRIME!!!! As was the ‘war’ that allegedly ‘justified’ it.

      • felipe63

        Lying to Congress is a CRIME, James Clapper is a member of of the Obama Administration who did exactly that, lie to congress, ergo a CRIME has been committed by a member of the Obama administration. That is reality, even if you cannot admit it

        Thank you so much for perfectly illustrating my point, a “IT’S OKAY WHEN MY GUY DOES IT” mentality.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Isn’t lyingto Congress the reason the REDS impeached Clinton, even if technically he did not. he said he never has ‘sexual relations’ with Lewinsky and I believe he meant no intercourse, not no facials.

      Is Butt Smoking a Cigar with a female associate really ‘sexual relations” to a Republican? LMAO!

  • Erin Weldon

    I still think this guy had help pulling this off. Maybe there is no evidence to that, but he seems to have slipped out of U.S. reach so easily. Maybe, when he got this job, he already had plans to do this…saw it as a way to make money and sold out. I wonder if he ever thinks about spending the rest of his life on the run, living in Russia without family. With all of the conflict between the U.S. and Russia right now, he may find himself turned over to the U.S. as a small effort to ease this conflict…which it wouldn’t.

    • Stephen Barlow

      That is a distinct possiblity.

    • strayaway

      Maybe he could be traded for a plane load of Al-Queda terrorists itchy to get back to work but stuck in Guantanamo.

  • Eg Kbbs

    Very few people are 100% good heroes or 100% villans. He’s a mixed bag.

  • Stephen Barlow

    While I know he is a low priority, I am sure SOME CIA station Cheif would drug and kidnap Snowden the FIRST chance they get, and parade him around the way the North Vietnamese paraded John McCain and the outers around the Hanoi Hilton. Bet he gets a promotion from Obama to boot for the “fine work”.

    The VERY TRUTH, Mr Cliftion FAILS to behold in all this is that without Snowden leaking the TRUTH, the NSA would STILL be snooping to the 1000TH person, the THIRD degree I think they call it, of every man woman and CHILD protected by the 4th Amendment. THe SPYING would have continued unabated!!!

    I don’t think he is a hero, but unless you can NAME the specific “classified information” that was DETRIMENTAL to the GENUINE National Security of America, I am not buying Mt Clifton “EVIL SPY” label.

    As a whistle blower on criminal conduct by his Government superiors, isn’t he a protected species? WHERE is the full scale Darryl Issa 7 round robin investigation into the NSA Contractor and all NSA Contracting Firms who got RICJ looking under every rock and behind every tree, bugging every phone and toilet stall in AMERICA… to get what…

    99.9998% innocuous CHATTER and the sounds of 310 million streams of PISS!!!!!! did you see the SIZE of the $50 Billion dollar facility they have in the desert to STORE all those ploppy disks and beer blast gushers from Super Bowl Sunday? A year of FOOD STAMPS. For how many million people? TWENTY MILLION starving souls, who return $1.41 to the economy?

    That’s 284 Congress critter’s SALARIES! NOT including the benefits and Secret Service cadre. How much is keeping all those emails about Aunt Judy’s hemmorhoid snipping gonna cost those 20 Million starving tax payers?

    Snowden did us all a favor, did the country no harm the SHAME of having voided this Nation’s 2nd most sacred RIGHT, PRIVACY, due process and SEARCH WARRANTS FOR CAUSE!!!! From a sitting judge, not a secret closet court just like the good ol’ Soviet Union did to it’s people.

    Sure do hope Mr Clifton didn’t incriminate himself while pillow talking. Sure hope that NSA storage locker doesn’t get hacked and facebooked.

  • Mark Fielding- Pritchard

    We teach our children to stand up for what is right, to protect the underdog and to fight corruption and bullying. At what point does whisle blowing go beyond standing up for what is right and become narcissistic? And at what point does forward progressive start printing such petty, articles with lines that imply that if you don’t agree with the author you are too narrow minded to read the article and you support human rights abusers like the evil Russians- a country that doesn’t execute the mentally ill and under 18s like the USA

  • As a conservative Republican and Veteran I assure you that Snowden is not a patriot! He is a Traitor! A true patriot will do all he can do to avoid violence.

    A true patriot will stand trial even when he knows he is innocent and use the corrective processes available under our rule of law! The reason we have 3 separate branches of government is to keep the usurpation of the “king” from happening in this country!

    These so called patriots of today are nothing but anarchist! There will never be a “revolution” because it is properly termed as a insurrection! In a civilized society we must settle our difference in a civilized manner instead of resorting to violence!

    That is why our legal system developed as an Adversarial system of justice. Vigilante violence isn’t the answer! I for one will be glad when he can be extradited back to the United States to Stand Trial for His Crimes!

    If the People truly believe he was in the right after weighing the facts and evidence he will be set free by a jury of his peers!

    History records these famous words “I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.” Have you heard this famous declaration before? American patriot Nathan Hale said it on September 22, 1776, his last words before he was hanged for spying on British troops.

    • Stephen Barlow

      rEALLY? Then you are sTATING AS A FACT, the GW Bush is NOT a Patriot, because that was his FIRST RESPONSE. Troops in Afghanistan, then the INVENTION of INvasion intelligence as a FRAUD to FORCE WAR.