Fast Food CEO Says Minimum Wage Increase Will Devastate United States

any_puzderThe multimillionaire head of Carl’s Jr. complains that a rise in minimum wages will destroy the restaurant industry. In an interview on Fox News, Andy Puzder, the CEO of CKE Restaurants which includes Carl’s Jr. and Hardees, complains that “the anti-business” Obama’s plans to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour along with the ACA and the “war on fossil fuels” is why businesses like his don’t hire anymore.

Sure, we hear a lot about the owners and boards of McDonald’s, Papa Johns, and Chik-fil-A, but Andy Puzder, the head of Carl’s and Hardees, may be just as bad. After all, his work is out there for everyone to read. In addition to being interviewed on Fox, he also contributes to Wall St Journal and Human Events. Additionally, he co-authored a book and he has his own blog where he praises Charles Koch and outlines other Ayn Randian thoughts as it relates to the persecuted rich white man. So double-whammy in that he has workers and readers.

On Fox and in a follow-up blog, Puzder cited a CBO study that estimated that around half a million people could lose their jobs due to the proposed minimum wage increase. What he failed to mention is that the same study expected an increase for many others, bringing 3 million families out of poverty. As well, the minimum wage increase is estimated to increase the real income of families one-to-three times above the poverty level (working poor to lower middle class) by twelve billion dollars. Perhaps what’s really bugging Puzder is the loss in income for families at or above 6 times the poverty level. Randians don’t like income equality.

This faux concern for the working poor is standard fare for Andy Puzder. In one of his WSJ articles, he complains that giving managers overtime will hurt them, as they look forward to status more than pay:

Workers who aspire to climb the management ladder strive for the opportunity to move from hourly-wage, crew-level positions to salaried management positions with performance-based incentives. What they lose in overtime pay they gain in the stature and sense of accomplishment that comes from being a salaried manager. This is hardly oppressive.

A friend of mine worked as one of these managers for a large national retail chain. There was no compensation, no bonuses. Being salaried at or above 23000 a year means the company could and often would work her not only over 40 hours a week, but usually at least 60 and often 80-90. One week I came in and she was nearing a hundred hours. This is a single mom who in these weeks was not able to see her children, barely slept, and made less than minimum wage per hour. She was not being incentivized, she was being forced by oppressive company policy that did not need to abide by working regulations for managers. Under the new regulations, these companies will either have to properly pay their managers or hire more employees and stop using their managers as virtual slave labor.

A manager working at the minimal base pay of $455 per week would average $5.69 an hour if she was working 80 hours that week. I’m not sure what kind of stature this counts as in Puzder’s world. As Laura Clawson puts it, “As is well known, grocery stores and car dealerships accept stature and a sense of accomplishment as payment.”

Puzder himself makes over 4 million dollars a year now and gained $25.6 million when CKE was bought by a private equity firm in 2010. So I’m sure he’s feeling the pains of the working poor. He bragged that he was mostly happy he didn’t have to undergo the regulations he faced as a publicly-traded company for the two years prior. You know, cuz Obama. He also talks a lot about the changes made in the “anti-business” Obama administration. For Randians, everything that doesn’t make them richer and give them absolute control over their workers is “anti-business.”

Personally, I don’t tend to believe in boycotts as workers gotta eat. But I do think we should send Puzder and his Randian buddies a message. The workers are speaking and they’re saying, “Raise the minimum wage!”

jasdye

When he’s not riding both his city’s public transit system and evil mayor, Jasdye teaches at a community college and writes about the intersection of equality and faith - with an occasional focus on Chicago - at the Left Cheek blog and on the Left Cheek: the Blog Facebook page. Check out more from Jasdye in his archives as well!

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    I don’t like Carl Jr’s anymore. I stopped eating there well over five years ago. Actually, I stopped eating in any of fast food restaurants.

  • Pipercat

    He needs a t between the u and the z…

  • geminijeanna

    boycott his restaurants = he is a loser

  • Finnsmom1

    What a Putz. These out of touch, rich CEOs continue to stick their foot in their mouths and only after their bottom line is effected do the walk back their statement.

    • Bine646

      You apparently dont own a business

      • Finnsmom1

        you apparently don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground. I’ve been a small business owner since 2002.

      • Pipercat

        Damned inconvenient when reality strikes!

      • Bine646

        Yes, many businesses (small or big) run on thin margins. This forced increase in minimum wage will crush many who are barely operating as it is. Reality, Puzder along w many other successful business owners live in it, try joining them

      • Pipercat

        Yeah, I have no idea… I’ve only been in business since 1998.

      • Bine646

        Whats your business’ name? You believe increasing the salaries of your employees nearly 50% will have no impact on your business huh? You have an accountant who handles your finances while you live in the clouds?

      • Pipercat

        Why are you throwing darts?

      • Bine646

        I call it asking questions

      • Pipercat

        Call it what you will, but you’re doing a better job of reminding me of a certain Mel Brooks movie.

      • Bine646

        Cool

      • Sandy Greer

        You’re also the one says stalking women is just ‘research’. :O

      • Bine646

        As you follow me to another conversation…..

      • Sandy Greer

        And now you seem to think I shouldn’t read what people say, unless it be spoken to me directly, LMFAO

        What kind of person are you? Good Lord.

        But, I guess, I really couldn’t go wrong – not reading carBine, the Stalker – from now on. 😀

        Just SMH at somebody can’t post a thread – without picking fights with everybody there – and can’t seem to get along with anybody.

        Poor, lonely, carBine, the Stalker. Pity.

      • Bine646

        Stalking is unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person.

        You seem to be giving me alot of attention- grandkids are out of town?

      • gian keys flat mom

        hey kreskin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, funny how U aint answering MY stuff!!!
        too many facts and hard questions? or maybe name calling sandy befits your misogynistic tendencies underscoring your socio-sexual failures??

      • Bine646

        Dont feed the animals, pretty desperate for a response huh Victor

      • gian keys flat mom

        again–
        not answering fact-laced inquiries:
        seems splendid for white trash regressives who cry cry cry
        *******************************************************
        “momma” told me about cretins sans avatars

      • gian keys flat mom

        im self employed chef since 1989– 100% cash since 1996.
        I have all the tricks to keep margins strong and employees loyal and happy and NOT stealing.
        why do U keep the “50%” crap up? when they get a “raise” to 10.10 ( which is still near poverty) and U are crying????
        tell me O sage bine twit: what do million sof hard working americans with a family do at that wage? how do they get ahead??? go to school to learn better job? school needs BIG money- also eats up more time and U cannot MAKE money when U are in school ( maybe the kids should sell lemonade???)
        tell us……….. what do millions of working americans do? ( I know– vote republican so they can lower taxes on millionaire “job creators” –see: bush job creation record)
        this answer will be spun ala FOX “news” I imagine

      • nomardw

        Maybe you should check reality. The wages will only be increased by 30 % over several years. Not all at once. Maybe you should learn what the real finances here are. The fact is that your taxes goes to make up what this parasite isn’t providing to those low wage workers. If you can’t pay your help a living wage, you don’t deserve to be in business.

      • Bine646

        You are telling others how to run their business huh, im sure they appreciate ur opinion.

        Said nearly 50%, never said it was all at once

        Washington DC spends 6x what it takes in, businesses continuously move to VA n will

      • Bine646

        So you understand that this will crush many small businesses correct? Not rocket science. Ps- lets see your website for this small business you own- free advertising youre welcome

      • Finnsmom1

        Why is that Republicans believe in “Trickle Down” economics when it involves the rich but not the rest of us? If we pay people more money, they will have more money to spend. Canada, UK and Australia all have a MUCH higher minimum wage and they’re thriving. Stop watching Fox News and get back to work.

      • Bine646

        You are way off subject- nice fox news reference tho- original. 1) this is about the effects of increasing minimum wage nearly 50%. 2) whats your small business? I wanna google it. PS Uk n Australia r not thriving, not sure about Canada but The UK are in worse financial trouble than us so that point is invalid

      • Finnsmom1

        why so desperate to find me? I’m taken but flattered just the same. I own a mid sized wholesale sales office. we don’t offer retail and don’t have a public website. 12 employees and counting. Good for me!!

      • Bine646

        Company have a name? Not busy today seeing as your on message boards.

        So if you increase your employees salaries by 50% how do your profits look after that? Not hard to see how this will effect businesses

      • Finnsmom1

        I was only on the message board once. your comments are coming to my email. your 50% increase is an alarmist point of view. You strike me as hostile so I won’t be sharing any of my company info with you. However, I’m curious why you’re only asking me for company verification? Is it because I’m a woman who doesn’t agree with you? No need for a response, I have my answer.

      • Sandy Greer

        Finnsmom, please be careful of Bine. I’ve seen him before. There’s something ‘strange’ (almost obsessive) about him.

        Also, please see my OP.

      • Bine646

        What i have an opinion based on facts not emotions- yes very weird

      • A_passerby

        He does come off a bit stalkish after he’s been googling around poster names… Nothing to do today Bine?

        Tell me, does that starting wage at in and out cause them to close their doors? No? Why is that? Because they don’t move employees out the door like a revolving door. Do you know the cost of bringing in new people and training them? I know what you’re going to say, that the majority of employees in the fast food industry are teens, yet studies have proven the average age to be well into the 20’s, so that just isn’t true.

        You can argue free market, but when multiple merchants come together to raise the price on a product ( see books, apple, Barnes & noble) its against the law, but when businesses band together to pay employees far less than they deserve its legal. You know full well people who can’t find another job because of a hurt job market will deal with their shitty employer to keep getting the scraps… What’s happening to the working poor is nothing less than legal slavery.

      • Bine646

        If a company like In n Out want to pay their employees more than the federal minimum wage- well thats their choice, why? Bc its a free market. What is good for one business is not necessarily good for all.

        Business like the mom n pops will close their doors if the mandate passes, other larger franchises may be able to absorb this increase but maybe not. HP is cutting employees, Target, Wallgreens and others are cutting hrs aswell.
        As for the “stalking” its called doing DD n research. She is making a claim of owning a business so I say prove it, nothing wrong with keeping them honest.

      • Sandy Greer

        You don’t have the right to demand personal info that could get a person killed.

        We’ve seen you in the gun debates. We know you’re armed.

        And now, we know you’re a stalker. And that you’re not even ashamed of it. But admit to it, proudly. Like it’s your personal Badge of Honor – to stalk a woman – because you don’t like what she says.

        You’re just crazy enough to act on it.

        I hope the author of this piece does what he can to ban you from this site. You are one scary person.

      • Bine646

        By telling me her business’ name? Hahahaha retirement is warping ur mind Sandy- amazing

      • Sandy Greer

        Hahahaha how far back did you have to go for that little tidbit? At least a month. But I knew you would, before I ever posted. And now – once again – you’ve proved it.

        Women have Creep Alerts for Stalkers like you.

        I imagine your stalking women goes over about as well for you IRL as it does online – carBine, the Stalker.

      • Bine646

        Go back for the retirement tidbit? Your avatar is a grandma it was an easy guess.

        They say as we age we revert back into an adolescent state- explains your childish puns- yawnnn

      • Sandy Greer

        Speaking of avatars, look at yours:

        No depth to you – you’ve been pressed by a steam roller! Head is not attached to your body – which means, you have no blood flow to your brain. No wonder you post what you do.

        And no wonder you’re reduced to stalking women, to get any attention from them at all.

        Pity the poor carBine – Stalker of women.

        I don’t think I’ll even bother to read you anymore. I’ve tired of you.

      • Bine646

        Assuming alot huh grandma? All from a few questions ive asked- senile in ur old age?

      • nomardw

        Ah yes. Name calling. The last resort of those without foundation or evidence. How sad.

      • Bine646

        Did you bring data/facts or did you respond w your emotions?

      • Sandy Greer

        Thank you. I know you didn’t do it for me – but for principle, rather.

        But I thank you anyway, and I’m in your debt.

      • gian keys flat mom

        please read my missile of umbrage to bine on your =behalf
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        my pleasure

      • Sandy Greer

        And mine (pleasure) Saw it last night; put a ‘like’ on it. You’re my hero. 😉

        Even if you weren’t brilliant, you’d be a hero.

      • gian keys flat mom

        some of these clowns must be very unhappy!
        ……………..I like 2 remind them of that “life” choice

      • Bine646

        You have no life, message boards r ur pleasure, that n cooking at a strip club

      • gian keys flat mom

        do NOT forget 2 commercial and 2 residential investment rental properties ( 3 owned outright; one purchased 16 days ago at 85% down) and NOW just “llc’d” ‘TOP 10 PRODUCTIONS’ which is doing antique car shows and classic BIKE shows here in the south east FL area. Big money; hardly any expenditures; within 18 moths expanding to ft.myers/naples and hope to look into Orlando area by 2017
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        you were saying…………………………??

      • Bine646

        i was saying you are a 65 yr old (in the latter yrs of his life) living on message boards who cooks at a strip club…….

      • gian keys flat mom

        here is a current photo ( dec 2013) and if this is 65 I am invincible
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        care to guess again??

      • Bine646

        No like i said before, get a life n move on. I got things to do rather than guess a creeps age

      • gian keys flat mom

        sounds to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that U have again failed:
        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, to quote tweety bird:
        ” he faw down an ‘ go BOOM”
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        me? get a life? that would be stealing!!

      • Bine646

        Your life must be so boring bc u live on messageboards chasing conversations- pretty sad honestly

      • gian keys flat mom

        chasing???
        im embellishing these as you have shown a marked paucity to do the same
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        get a life? if I added more to mine I would be stealing

      • gian keys flat mom

        my new avatar– from dec 2013: BINE says im an impotent 65 yr old
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        bine poops a lot on himself

      • gian keys flat mom

        how about MY avatar: eh assh*le??? 6’2 210 very athletic and wanna call me names? U probably are a combination of steatopygous/alopecial and micromastial……….fueled by quotidian onanistic behaviors!

      • Bine646

        As for stalking- her profile is public- as is urs. Crazyyyy, i can click ur name and see what uve done on ur disque account- ahh technology.

      • MamaKath

        Job creation starts with consumers. If people can’t afford the basics, then they’re not buy HP products, only purchasing groceries at Target and prescriptions at Walgreens. Also Walgreens and Target are up against Amazon for people who do have internet access.

      • Bine646

        So increasing a business’ operating costs by mandating they pay their employees more will hurt consumers bc prices of those goods or services will increase- its capitalism

      • Jarane Chalker

        Hp, Target and Walgreens are cutting jobs because those companies are badly run and the CEO’s are worried about the stock price. And their jobs. Perhaps if they worried more about product, customer service(Of which HP is the WORST!) etc, etc…and less about stock price, those companies would not be the “dogs with fleas”(All nod to Gordon Gekko…Lol)that they are.

      • gian keys flat mom

        FACTS!!! I love U man!!!
        lets play “facts”!!!
        U go 1st————-
        tell me all the federal policies done by the republican party which have helped ALL americans in the past 25 yrs
        I will go 2nd and reply with democratic ones and the impact on America in past 25 yrs
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        please continue “govna”

      • nomardw

        Actually your so called opinions are NOT based on facts. They are your opinions.
        I do however agree that your emotions are very weird.

      • Bine646

        And you brought to the conversation what exactly?

      • Finnsmom1

        Thanks for reaching out Sandy. He does appear to be an angry SOB.

      • Sandy Greer

        Good to joke about it.

        But honest to God, I’ve seen his kind on another site. He’s dangerous.

        The least you can say is that he’s trying to intimidate you into not posting – insinuating you can’t claim to be a business owner if you’re not willing to name your business, or furnish a web-site he can use to track you down.

        I don’t usually respond to him. Put him in troll category (argumentative for the sake of arguing)

        But what he’s done here is beyond the pale.

      • Bine646

        You been on the message board once? Well thats a lie bc youve been on forward progressives, newsers and the daily banter today (responding for over 6 hrs) so if my math is correct thats more than once.

        You could be a male or female, no difference to me so you can stop grasping for straws. Im calling your bluff, lets see the name of this wholesale business, you should be proud of your company which employs 12 individuals…

        And alarmist point of view? If it goes from 7.25 to 10.10 thats nearly a 50% increase, not good at math huh? Or just cant handle facts when they dont align with your emotions?

      • gian keys flat mom

        share your company name with him—- as you are being truthful ( im also a small business owner but im 100% cash since 1989) im actually joking as even if BINE saw all your truths he would spin stuff ALA the regressives at FOX “news” ad infinitum. Bine is akin to all crybaby regressives who pollute our threads
        facts? they just ignore or spin away from them and cry out ” Benghazi” and “PRAISE JEEEESUS”

      • Gerry

        you’re*

      • Bine646

        Huh? You are fits in my response exactly?

      • gian keys flat mom

        you actually HAD 2 ASK?????
        U didn’t know???????????????????
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        hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahhaahahhahahahahahhahahahaha

      • Bine646

        Yup over looked it, my bad

      • gian keys flat mom

        please continue ” govna”………we do enjoy your ineptitude

      • Bine646

        enjoy your impotence, tell your gf i said hello

      • gian keys flat mom

        she is here– she pees on herself in laughter reading what non avatar cretins such as you “write”
        crappy looking females I do ejaculate into; eh?

      • Bine646

        Pees on herself? Is she retarded or just old like you?

      • gian keys flat mom

        based upon her photo in my avatar ( here) I suspect she is both
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        sounds 2 me that u don’t know much about the thelyphthoric needs of women

      • Bine646

        Is one of the needs urinating on urself? She sounds “special”

      • gian keys flat mom

        yeah,,,,,,,,,,,, she is special: 5’8 about 133 with natural boobs….
        makes almost as much as I do in her commercial real estate venture
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        are u digging the 65 yr old in the pic?
        ,,,,,,,,,keep crying ; and keep “tryin”

      • Bine646

        If shes with you shes clearly missing some brain cells. If this is how u type i cant imagine how you talk

      • Pipercat

        Employees are great.. Damn partners are what kill you…

      • gian keys flat mom

        I learned that by 1994 — I started in 1989 and also didn’t need them as I provided the brains and creativity and disciplines

      • Pipercat

        I had a shop-a-holic as one and deadweight as another. Nowadays, I tell prospective Tontos to get lost…

      • gian keys flat mom

        “what do U mean WE: white man”
        ================================
        that’s what tonto said to lone ranger when they were surrounded by hostile Indians and he told tonto ” looks like we are finished”

      • Pipercat

        I liked the “what you mean us, pale face!” version…

      • FD Brian

        you realize that an increase would also increase demand and increase in demand is what causes workers to be hired. A decrease in unemployment is considered a good thing.

      • Bine646

        Increase in minimum wage will increase demand how exactly? All it will do is lead to more inflation bc the employers will need to offset those costs. By raising prices of goods or eliminating employees- unless we are talking about a dream world where that doesnt occur- but we are in the capitalistic country of the USA not a dream

      • FD Brian

        when people have more money, they tend purchase more things, not all things will go up and the increased purchasing will help create more jobs. You mistakenly think that everything will increase at the same rate the wage increased offsetting any gain wages, that is a mistaken point of view.

      • Bine646

        McDonalds is forced to raise minimum wage for their workers- what do you think will happen to their dollar menu and other prices? DC is a perfect example, businesses have been and will continue to move to VA to help eliminate their costs. Its a great idea- lets pay everyone more!! Except their is always an cause/effect of these types of moves- its economics, elementary really

      • gian keys flat mom

        actually when my prices (I purchase ) go up I can do several things to offset that without raising my price to my consumers/patrons.
        as U don’t own a business that remains invisible to you.
        survival of fittest — we who do survive ( and prosper) recognize many of these principles and also create/invent new principles to galvanize profit growth

      • FD Brian

        We should pay everyone more and the top should make less.

      • Scott Johannsen

        “You know, I have read your previous seventeen hours of crap. I have watched you bully, and badger, and I think its time you get yourself “engaged” with someone that doesn’t really care about being banned from a website. In short, sir……somebody’s about to get their ass whipped, and that “someone” son, is YOU!!!! For starters, if you can REALLY afford to start firing people because they make too much money, then your ass is OVERSTAFFED, and its your dumb ass that doesn’t know how to run a business. Number two (now pay attention) If you do, in fact, begin to cut your payroll, who the hell do you think is going to offer your product/service to potential consumers??? Again, its you that doesn’t know how to run a business!!! Are you still with me, sport? I’m just warming up!!!!! Number three, the more “disposable” income people have, the more likely they are to purchase a product/service they’d like, but don’t NEED, and still, its your dumb ass that doesn’t know how to run a business. FOUR, How many cars or boats, or whatever could you possibly need? Are you going to buy the car that I can’t afford in the interest of keeping the economy rolling? So, you buy your two cars, and take the money that you’re not paying somebody else to invest it. That is a sale IS NOT FUCKING HAPPENING.Once again, its you that doesn’t know how to run a business.Where are getting 50% from?? Do the math instead of allowing yourself to get yanked around by your “johnson”. There is no research I could find connecting an increase in minimum wage with job losses. Should a study exist, why don’t you present it in lieu of your incessant BS??? Finally, I’m AM NOT a high school graduate, nor do I operate my own business. Why the fuck do I know all this and you (apparently) don’t??? Consider your ass “educated” The only question I have is are you going to climb your ass in the ring with me, or are you satisfied with all you have learned already? I’m not hard to find!!!!!”

      • Trevor Vickrey

        bravo good sir bravo

      • PandaCat

        Well said- and that needed to be said! Ihope it is HEARD by this individual. ~tips hat~

      • Trevor Vickrey

        having checked and done the math with an increase of .07 to their dollar menu mcdonalds could actually pay their workers $15 an hour and still pull in what they do now but hell who am I anyway just some low life poverty stricken moron right ohhh raise minimum wage it will kill business yeah maybe it might hurt afew at first but check out what happens later on people have money people will spend money hence creating more of a demand for products which leads to more production which leads to more jobs all of it just takes time hell mcdonalds alone tells their managers to screw employees over and let them live struck in poverty it’s sad how people can be all like ohh i’d like to help you but my head is so far up my ass that I can’t do much of anything with my millions of dollars start looking out towards what will happen down the line not the boom happening now people

      • Bine646

        Show me the math, calculations

      • scott Johannsen

        Don’t give anyone anymore shit. It’s time for YOU to bring it. Are you going yo answer me, or are you going to “spin” it? You’re call!!!!!

      • gian keys flat mom

        he will spin

      • PandaCat

        LOL I notice you’re not getting an answer. I do believe you intimdated the troll- good, taste of its own medicine.

      • Jess B

        Except it’s apparently not elementary. Economics suggests that the large increase in lower and middle class wages will be a later driver of employment and expansion, but you knew that, because yo understand economics.

      • Bine646

        Middle class wages will increase bc of this? Or will they pay more for products n services bc of this wage increase? Answer is they make more than minimum wage (bc they r middle class) so they will only be effected by higher costs for products n services- war against the middle class continues

      • Jess B

        I realize that stance is concurrent with the rhetoric your polls are marching out, but it’s not a result that’s reflected in history. Previous minimum wage increases have shown a boost in working and middle class wealth, with no correlated surge in inflation. The flaw is thinking that increasing the minimum wage by 30%, to use your number, will result in the market value of a $1 cheeseburger to automatically be worth $1.30 instead. The market doesn’t work like that. The prices at mcdonalds, for example, are set by the market, supply and demand style. Do you think the have a dollar menu because they’re nice guys, looking out for their own government dependent employees? No. They have a dollar menu because no one was buying the cheap slab of soy they call a cheeseburger. As a result, the MARKET drove the price down to a dollar. Six million US workers all of a sudden able to drop food stamps and pay both utilities and credit card bills isn’t going to make them decide a $1 burger is automatically worth $1.30.

        But you knew that, because you “power of the free market” types have all studied real economics, which has inspected these situations every time they’ve occurred in real life and adjusted theory accordingly.

      • nomardw

        Increased minimum wage will actually increase demand because the workers will be able to afford more of what they need as well as afford the products they make. As for inflation it would cause, that is another out right lie. If Walmart paid a living wage Kraft Mad and Chees would go up a penny a box. Yes, runaway inflation.

      • Bine646

        Show me the data, calculations

      • nomardw

        Funny, but I was thinking the same exact thing about your fanatical claims. As far as proof is concerned, NEVER before when the wage increased did it not help boost the economy. NEVER.

      • Bine646

        So prove it pal, ill wait

      • Scott Johannsen

        You have not addressed a single issue that I have addressed. It’s vital that you understand in debate, in this forum, I REALLY am that good. What concerns me me, is the idea that I am the “uninformed” voter, and you’re not. I want you to digest that, Sunshine!!!!! I have no problem getting as personal as you have in your commentary. BRING YOUR ASS TO ME, SON!!!!!

      • gian keys flat mom

        let them be crushed- that’s capitalism. strong survive.
        funny how when repubs voted for minimum wage hikes in past America didn’t vanish

      • Sandy Greer

        Thought about this since last night, and come to the conclusion – You are not given enough credit here on FP.

        You’re a diamond in the rough. But for those few willing to see – yours is a brilliance to rival any star in the vastness of the heavens above – and enough to enlighten the deepest, darkest shadows in the night.

      • gian keys flat mom

        I think I love you!!!!!!!!!!!
        (note: there are some guys on here that are as insufferable as a brooding tea party member can be!!)
        I do love mocking them and their ineptness
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        hi sandy!!! im ( momentarily) changing my photo to again put me up– just to annoy one of these guys!!

      • gian keys flat mom

        I do— since 1989 as a self employed chef here in se florida: and as my “bidness” is 100% cash I pay my slaves ( see: employees) 100% cash-
        they never seem to complain as I pay them well and the surroundings to work in are————–
        …………………………….. are………………………………..
        ridiculously appealing to heterosexual men
        *****************************************************************
        whats up bine??? haven’t seen ya 4 a while
        I see U are still engendering ” friends” sans an avatar

      • Stephen Barlow

        YOu apparently exploit your employees.

      • nomardw

        I have been successfully self employed for well over 40 years now, and I can tell you this man is a greedy SOB. He didn’t build that business alone, He had the help of each and every individual that has ever worked for his company, along the community that supported it. He owes them both for his success. That is the reality of the situation. Providing less than living wages is not paying his share. Period.

      • Seamoremonster

        Interesting. Wendy’s have no problem paying well above minimum wage and still turn a profit. Costco pays well above minimum wage and provides worker’s benefits and have no problem making a profit where as WalMart employees have to subsidised by Tax Payers with food stamps because they can’t survive on subsistence wages. Maybe Carl Jrs, Hardy’s, Macdonalds, Burger King, et al…are just piss weak bushiness managers. Tax payers shouldn’t have to subsidise poor business management…or just business scrooges.

      • Bine646

        You are forgetting about other small businesses, not these franchises

  • Matthew Reece

    Raising the minimum wage will only put fast food workers out of employment in favor of automation. The correct solution to give the poor more purchasing power is to abolish fiat currency and return to sound money.

    • Andy Kinnard

      Because there’s so much evidence that “sound money” (i.e., a gold/silver/whatever standard would support an economy as large as ours). Matt, your views are way out there, fringe anarchist stuff. Your evangelism of these extreme views does not convert liberals.

      • Matthew Reece

        Economics is properly understood as an a priori discipline, like logic and mathematics. To quote Hans-Hermann Hoppe, a priori theory trumps and corrects experience, and logic overrules observation, not vice versa.

        Ad lapidem is an admission of defeat and ignorance. “Fringe” and “extreme” are philosophically irrelevant terms that provide no rational rebuttal.

        If you are perfectly rational and consistent, you cannot be anything other than an anarchist. Perfect consistency keeps the state from legitimately operating because it does not allow agents of the state to do anything that non-state agents cannot do.

      • gian keys flat mom

        so—————
        we ask U : o sage matthew–
        if its so easy/ so powerfully and unavoidably TRUE:
        then why has it NEVVVVVVER happened??
        perfectly rational? Hmmmm,,,,,,,,,,, lets start with you practicing what U ( ineptly) preach by not paying any taxes and taking yourself off of the “grid”
        ====================================

      • Matthew Reece

        If what is so powerfully and unavoidably true then why has it never happened? I have no idea what you are talking about. Let’s start with you clarifying what you ineptly ask.

        I am off the grid at the moment, but that is irrelevant because there is no moral obligation in a situation of duress, which dealing with government clearly is.

      • gian keys flat mom

        matt——- try 2 stay with me!
        what I said was ( referencing your utopian anarchist life) was,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if THAT is so ” easy/powerfully and unavoidably TRUE( as U claim it is) then WHY has it NEVVVER happened in the entire history of mankind???? seems any perfection ( or at least incredible closeness TO “perfection” would eventually manifest itself within some civilization. in a movie? yes- in a book?? hell yes. in REALITY ( again; stay with me here matt) reality has ‘wild cards’ which – when dealing with MANKIND and all our foibles– will not allow that BEEEEEEAUUUUTIFUL but impossible scenario.
        off the grid? matt baby im with ya on the BS of humans and government and BS big business——— BUT: learning how to happily prosper–financially/socially and emotionally within this fractured society DOES help lower stress as much as proper nutrition,,,,exercise and inexorable raising of self esteem
        if ya cant beat em,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, fuck em and join them ( peripherally of course)

      • Matthew Reece

        Anarchism has not happened yet because violent sociopaths have imposed their rulership upon everyone else, and people have gone along with it for fear of their lives. This will continue until either technological advancement makes statism impossible or enough people with enough weapons decide that enough is enough.

        The human nature argument for the state fails because the state is composed of humans.

      • gian keys flat mom

        theoretically pristine
        ,,,,,,,,,,,, practicality tells us it will never happen: history backs this up
        =====================================
        human greed and avarice will always prevail on a bigger level as it simply is the way it is
        off the grid? dude,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        must not have much fun with chics

      • Matthew Reece

        History is a subjective, a posteriori field. Logic is an objective, a priori field. Therefore logic overrules history as a means of figuring out what is practical.

        If human greed and avarice will always prevail, then a government is far too dangerous to be allowed to operate, as the most greedy and avaricious people will seek to control it. FWIW, history gives many examples of this. Without an institution of coercion like the state, however, greed and avarice can actually be put to good uses in the free market.

        Ad hominem is an admission of defeat and ignorance.

      • gian keys flat mom

        ad hominum
        ===========================
        overplaying the same rthetoric/sayings shows a lack of creativity; thus defeat even if not ( individually) accepted.
        history is subjective? not so- not in a 100% definition of “subject” as objects such as EVENTS and recorded situations are objectified by the existence OF them.
        SUBJECT: history OBJECT: historical ( chronicled thus man made objects) happenings which can be viewed OBJECTIVELY and SUBJECTIVELY– they mesh; are not mutually exclusive by esoteric analysis.
        logic overrules (things) when watching Vulcans in star trek–
        in REALITY logic is utopian and sublimely sought; yet remains an expostulatory silver medal winner in an Olympic race between 2 foes.
        =======================================
        ad hominum anyone? with French fries?

      • Sandy Greer

        That’s twice now, just in this thread: Brilliant. You should let that star of yours shine more often.

      • gian keys flat mom

        sandy,,,,,,,,,,I enjoy the repartee and overt usage of my “lexiphanic” vocab– I am soooo please U liked it: and must confess: it may be my best writing ever– especially considering Matthews disjointed but occasionally well written stuff
        notice he did NOT reply?

      • Matthew Reece

        I do not “overplay” declarations of victory based on informal fallacies; there is no such thing as “overplaying” the statement of fact which logically follows from the implications of an opponent’s logical fallacies.

        History is subjective because it is dependent on events and those who record them, not vice versa. Also note that events did not have to play out as they did, and that the non-occurrence of an event thus far does not rule out its possible future occurrence.

        Logic overrules everything always. This is because other ways of knowing (i.e. empiricism) require logic in their use, as well as in the decision to use them. That which is dependent cannot supersede that upon which it is dependent.

      • gian keys flat mom

        hey matt- the OVERPLAY is not the expostulatory conversing we have:
        it is the OVERPLAY of ” ad hominum” et hoc genus omne——–
        translation: U may wish 2 consider expanding your vocabulary if U wish 2 (??) be considered a worthy conversationalist
        ” logic” demands such

    • Cemetery Girl

      Fast food and retail have been trying to become automated for a while. Self check out in stores. Go to a fast food place and see that the worker just pushes buttons for the most part. No need to have employees actually cook the food when you can have one person putting frozen items in, push a button, and put the finished product in the proper container. Instead of one person “on fries” for hours they can opporate the fryer and multiple other stations. This process has been underway for years. Even if the employees were making $1 an hour the drive for automation because it would be considered more reliable and productive.

      • Matthew Reece

        All of this is true. I am saying that raising the minimum wage will lead to nearly complete automation happening sooner.

  • Guest

    If it wasn’t for the salve labor he and other business have, he would have nothing…what it comes down to is this: the greed of the business owner versus the needs of the workers.

  • Guest

    If it wasn’t for the slave labor he and other business owners have that allows him to make millions, he would
    have nothing and he would never be on Faux News. What it comes down to is this: the greed of the business
    owner over the needs of the workers. Otherwise, business owners would see that workers having more money would allow those workers to buy more, pay off bills, and stimulate the economy and thus there would be greater need for more fast food restaurants.

  • Savage8862

    If it wasn’t for the slave labor he and other business owners have that allows him to make millions, he would have nothing and he would never be on Faux News. What it comes down to is this: the greed of the business owner
    over the needs of the workers. Otherwise, business owners would see
    that workers having more money would allow those workers to buy more,
    pay off bills, and stimulate the economy and thus there would be greater
    need for more fast food restaurants.This is just another anti-obama and anti-American wacko.

  • u_go_guys

    ~
    Congratulations, Mr. Puzder. You have just been added to the list. Boycott! Boycott! BOYCOTT!

  • Sandy Greer

    Wow. I just saw something – twice – that scared the Hell outta me.

    I saw Bine ‘fish’ for info on Finnsmom and Pipercat that would – if provided – enable him to identify – and find – them, IRL.

    I’ve seen that before, on another site. RWNJs were so incensed at Lefties – they did all they could to find them, IRL. Threatened to expose them. One
    was found, and named – his family was made a target, and he had to look over his shoulder.

    YOU ARE OUT OF LINE, Bine. Don’t know if you’re a ‘crazy’ or not – but you are WAY out of line, asking for personal info that could expose a person to danger. Your intention is to intimidate.

    People need to be careful what they say online. There’s folks like Bine only too eager to find out who you are. And use it for nefarious purposes.

    • gian keys flat mom

      bine is my hero—
      he is a great American ( if U luv regressive white trash republicans)
      Hi sandy!!

      • Sandy Greer

        He’s irritated the hell outta me. Set off my Creep Alert, and reduced me to personal attacks. 😉

        I’ll leave him to you. I can’t bear to read him, anymore!

    • PandaCat

      That was really creepy. Did you read Scott Johannsen’s replies to him? (If you haven’t- do. He got his a** handed to him on a platter and didn’t have the guts to even reply)I think dear Scott scared him off. 😉

      • Sandy Greer

        I read everybody but Bine, now. 😉 It takes a woman to know what a really creepy thing it was he did.

        Thank goodness for some of the men here. Ready to take up the slack, when the ladies get too creeped out to continue.

        I appreciate your support.

      • PandaCat

        You’re very welcome- us ladies know how to appreciate a good man as opposed to the creeps.

        It’s scary to think some nut job on the internet could find you. So glad neither of the two targeted for their info gave it. I find it hilarious that bine wouldn’t even answer Scott. (Notice whose name I consider worthy of capitalization!)

        Best wishes 😉

      • Scott Johannsen

        Thank you, Panda….it was a pleasure!!!! I’ve debated the “you don’t know how business works” type before, and I always tell them to remove the customer from the equation, It can’t be done!!!!!

  • Charles Robinson

    In and Out Burger and Costco can hardly stay in business.

  • Eg Kbbs

    If the CEO is so worried about his bottom line, seems he would figure out that their menu doesn’t even have token selections for those who are working to change to a healthier diet.

    They need to wake up and figure out that 1/5 of adults are diabetic as well as most adults need to cut down on their fats.

    • gian keys flat mom

      including probably his wife and a few relatives

  • wil9000

    When the bottom line becomes the ONLY line, the only way to increase profits is to screw the workers. Put them down and, more importantly KEEP them down. And this is what they call “good business practices”, because when they reach the top, a part of their souls dies, and they become mindless greed machines.

  • FD Brian

    the problem with CEO’s and business owners is that they will rarely do what’s good for the country unless their competition does it and an increase in minimum wage is good and it would be required by all businesses, so one business doesn’t have to get shit hammered by another because he does the right thing and pays a fair wage. we may argue about how much of an increase in best, but if people are willing to work then those are the ones who should get a raise.

  • Istenno

    salaried workers not being financially compensated is NOT randian. those poor saps who work for pats on the head by higher ups aren’t randian, either.

  • gian keys flat mom

    praise jeeesus and vote republican!!

  • strayaway

    Although raising the minimum wage should be largely a state power, conservatives should generally support minimum wage increases. Minimum wage increases will decrease government stipends, should in turn reduce the government workforce handing out welfare, reduce the advantage of hiring cheaper foreign labor thereby reducing illegal immigration, and eventually replace some jobs with robots and computerization causing an increase in productivity. Even Randians should like this if they thought it out. Of course, someone has to build the robots but those are higher paying jobs that will probably be exported. Someday, Carl’s and Hardee’s will have a wall of self service machines accepting credit cards like gas pumps and, more frequently, self service lines in grocery stores or Home Depot. In Holland, such fast food restaurants already exist.

  • grlprogrmer

    What was the original purpose of establishing a minimum wage? To keep workers from working their lives away and still living in poverty… If that is the purpose, we need to raise the minimum to a living wage that is above poverty… Otherwise, if it is dictating how people run their businesses and that is wrong, let’s just do away with the minimum wage… Hmmm… OR how about a fast-food worker union to keep them from being victimized…

  • Konabird

    I think that anyone that votes against raising the minimum wage should try living for a year on the current minimum wage for that state.

    • PandaCat

      I think that’s a great idea- but htey’d probably cry “uncle” after less than a month! 😉

  • Brenda Smith

    He isn’t worried about what will happen to the US economy but rather he is worried about losing that ridiculous pay of $4,000,000 a year he is getting gifted plus I am sure other money along the way. Take a pay cut ja and pay the people that are actually producing that money.