The First Order Of Business For Congressional Republicans? A National Abortion Ban

The 114th CongressFor years, Republicans complained and said if only they had a majority in the Senate, they’d be able to pass bills to help veterans and create jobs.

Ever since George W. Bush left the Oval Office in January 2009, Republicans have blamed President Obama for the economy and claimed that they had a plan to put America back to work which would have us all finally swimming in that warm sea of trickle-down economics.


So today, now that Republicans finally control both houses of Congress (thanks a lot apathetic voters), we’re finally going to see Republicans unveil all of that legislation that’s going to help create jobs? Right? Right? Right…

Oh here it is now, two congressional Republicans brought back some legislation that was thwarted by Senate Democrats who held a majority last session. Reps. Trent Franks (R-AZ) and Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) reintroduced a bill designed to help veterans, end our dependence on foreign oil and put millions of under-employed Americans back into full-time positions that were lost during the Great Recession. Wow! On the very first day back, what’s that bill’s name? It’s known as “Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” and…oh wait, what’s this? It’s not a jobs bill?

On Tuesday, the very first day of the 114th Congress, two lawmakers introduced a measure to ban abortions after 20 weeks, in direct violation of the protections afforded under Roe v. Wade. Reps. Trent Franks (R-AZ) and Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) reintroduced the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, the same legislation that successfully passed the House last year.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) — who introduced a companion 20-week abortion ban in the Senate last year that was stalled by Democratic leadership — has already indicated that he plans to re-introduce his own measure in the next few weeks, too. Now that the Senate is GOP-controlled, Republicans are anticipating that they’ll have enough support to pass the ban in both chambers this year, helping the anti-choice community gain momentum for this particular tactic to limit reproductive rights.

“In a Republican Senate, under my leadership, we would have the kind of real debate on the issues that the American people want,” Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told the audience at the National Right to Life Conference in the fall. “For six years, the president has been isolated from this growing movement. He will be forced to listen to the cause that’s brought us all here this morning.” (Source)



Now if any of you reading this actually thought that Republicans were going to do something worthwhile once they regained control of the Senate, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. I’d also like you to help me claim that $15 million fortune a Nigerian diplomat keeps telling me will be all mine, just as soon as I send him a copy of my ID and $5,000 via Western Union.

So welcome to the next two years of Washington politics, which will most likely consist of more gridlock and another government shutdown or two. I predict we’ll see at least one attempt a month to repeal Obamacare, sandwiched between constantly blaming Obama for anything and everything, and more Benghazi investigations. I also predict three attempts to mandate forced ultrasounds before an abortion, two bills to repeal marriage equality rulings, and at least one gigantic hissy fit when Michelle Obama suggests doing anything healthy. Finally just for lagniappe, Republicans in Congress will try to impeach President Obama at least twice and Sen. John McCain will also try to start a war with three new countries, just in case he got tired of Iran and Russia.

Don’t worry, Republicans haven’t learned their lesson about how a government is supposed to function yet, because America obviously hasn’t either.



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  • Jim Bean

    The Left respects the right LGBT activists to be represented by our government. They respect the right of racial minorities to be represented. They respect the right of abortion enthusiasts to be represented. They respect the right of the anti-gunners to be represented. They respect the right of the poor to be represented. They respect the right of atheists to be represented.

    Conversely, they do NOT respect the right to of the business community, the anti-abortion community, the Christian community, the NRA, or the (non-liberal) white community to be represented.

    • hilaryk

      The left respects an individual’s rights and choices and wants everyone’s voice to be heard. The business community doesn’t really represent individuals and usually has enough money to make itself heard. The anti abortion community is definitely supported – no one is required to get an abortion. There are plenty of left leaning Christians. The NBA – really?? Gun enthusiasts haven’t lost any rights. The white community is very well represented and doesn’t really need a support group…

      BTW, abortion enthusiasts?? It’s not a sport. No one has abortions for fun.

      • Jim Bean

        But why do you get to be the one to make these declarations?

      • Di Kelley

        Because you do not get to make them for the woman who needs one. You’re male, you don’t get to make decisions that do not affect you due to lack of a uterus.

      • Jim Bean

        We’re talking about your implication that the business community and white community don’t deserve (or need to be) respected.

      • Jordan

        Nowhere in her comment did she mention whites or businesses. Are you drunk?

      • Jim Bean

        The root of these exchanges is the hilaryk comment. They are linked together.

      • Cemetery Girl

        No, but following the chain of comment and reply, you brought up the idea of having to put up with abortion enthusiasts, which continued to the point of you asking why someone gets to be the one gets to make declarations. Train of conversation is fairly consistent until you complain that women’s rights have nothing to do with small business. Stay out of the weeds, Jim.

      • Di Kelley

        I did not imply that they did not. I merely stated that no one *but* the woman in question has a right to make decisions about what she does with her own body.

      • strayaway

        One third of all draft board members are women. Women are not subject to the draft. Should the draft be implemented, using your logic, why should women make decisions for men subject to laws that women are exempted from? I ask this rhetorically trying to make the point that in this society women also make life and death decisions regarding men that they are not involved in. If men are not allowed to make such decisions for women, why then your double standard?

      • Irene Manetta

        I agree that the draft is unfair, but that is a separate matter altogether. I also agree that many people exist that support the double standard you are describing. However, rather than arguing that women shouldn’t be involved at all in deciding women’s health issues (because the women’s health committee is entirely male, not just a third), why aren’t you rguing that both issues be amended? I don’t understand why this is a male vs. female issue. I know abortion is a controversial topic, but because of that, why don’t we leave it up to the individual?

      • strayaway

        I agree. I think abortion should be pretty much an individual matter and the federal government, at least, should stay out of it. The draft (registration) should be ended as it is is a form of involuntary servitude which is outlawed under the 13th. Amendment. It would be more constitutional to finance wars by taxing the rich.

      • Di Kelley

        What double standard? I actually, personally, believe that the draft should not exist and all military service should be voluntary.

      • david rocha

        And who gets to make decision for the baby.

      • Di Kelley

        The woman gets to make the decision for the *fetus* contained within her own body.. It isn’t a baby, medically or legally, until it is no longer in her body.

      • david rocha

        Thats your thinking ,but God see it different, I mean if thats the way you think thats you but its not morally right .

      • Di Kelley

        I don’t let some imaginary sky fairy tell me what’s moral or what’s not. I consider that which is best for the human race as a whole moral. I could cite multiple verses which indicate that fetuses were not consicered life, but I doubt you would see things any other way but your own anyway.

      • wendy

        The person whose body it resides in

      • david rocha

        I disagree but I understand where your coming from but its wrong.

      • wendy

        I understand where your coming from too, but I think its wrong to bring unwanted children who will not be taken care of or abused. Its the less of the two evils.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Why do you get to declare what goes on in a woman’s body? Why do you get to declare that two people of the same gender can’t have their relationship legally recognized? Why do you get to decide that people in this country should be Christian, or at least follow it’s rules. Why is it that no one has value other than anyone just like you?

      • Jim Bean

        I don’t care what goes on in a woman’s body. I fully support giving a woman complete control over her own body but I want her to fully accept that responsibility BEFORE the moment of conception and if she doesn’t, I don’t want to feel her hand reaching into my pocket to cover the damages.

      • Cemetery Girl

        In an ideal world both men and women would be more cautious. In an ideal world many things would be differet. Of course you really should state that men and women should both consider the responsibilities of sex. Women aren’t having sex by themselves, well they can get the orgasm alone but no chance of pregnancy there. Two people, they both share the responsibility and consiquences (not just pregnancy, but health and emotions, everything that comes along with sex.)

      • david rocha

        How about the baby body.

      • Gregory Mason

        What is your take on food stamps

      • Jim Bean

        There is no excuse for us to ever let an American citizen go hungry. Likewise, there is no excuse for not doing everything we can to find a way for those capable to perform public services in exchange for them.

      • wendy

        But that is what conservatives want. They are against programs that help people get on their feet…food stamps, high on their chopping block list.
        Poor hungry people are the enemy

      • Jim Bean

        That’s hyperbole. They are not against those programs. “”We should reform the food stamp program so we can get the aid to those who need it most in their hour of need, without the kind of rampant waste and abuse that you see,” said Rep. Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas.”

        There is nothing wrong with reducing waste and abuse. They proposed a $4 billion per year cut to a program that is receiving $76.4 billion per year. That looks like a paltry 5% reduction to me. The problem here is that Dems won’t participate in efforts to reduce waste and abuse because the ones wasting and abusing are voting Democrat(ic).

      • wendy

        Fraud is not the rule. Its not most recipients. Its not hyperbole that conservatives want to cut Social Security by 20%. And they would love to privatize it. That would be fine if everyone made enough $$ to save for their own retirement. Ahh, who needs old or disabled people anyway?
        And how can you deny that conservatives dont support any govt. programs?

      • wendy

        They detest ‘entitlements’ despite that taxpayers contribute their entire working lives.
        I 100% agree on fraud and waste. Hire a team to go after that. But don’t kick people who r doing all they can to survive

      • Jim Bean

        It would be easier to go after them if you’d quite calling it ‘kicking poor people’ for political profit which is exactly what your team does every time someone (always a Pub cause Dems won’t do it) tries to reign in abuses in entitlement programs.

      • wendy

        Abuse of entitlements are sickening because it makes the people who really need it the villians as well. I agree, dems are way to passive in cutting abuse.
        A little off topic, the party system sucks!
        When common sense comes second to ideological ideas, its just maddening to me

      • Jim Bean

        We’re on common ground there. No politician should be eligible to serve more than one term in office. Terms should not exceed 6 years. Then they would be free to use their common sense w/o having to worry how it might effect their reelection chances.

      • wendy

        I know imma thinking like john Lennon, but imagine a partlyess govt, where common sense can actually be what politicans have to rely on. Where people would have to vote according to realistic ideas…Not in our lifetime 🙁

      • wendy

        And yes, dreamer here…lol

      • wendy

        Agreed…but I don’t wanna pay for an impotent mans Viagra either. Deal ?

      • Jim Bean

        Deal.

      • david rocha

        The word of God declares

      • Candy

        Actually the few passages in the bible that are as close to abortion as there was God SUPPORTS it. They don’t value the life of the fetus till a year after it’s birth and only if it’s male. Try again.

      • david rocha

        What passage, which ones. I think you dont know what your talking about.

      • Candy

        Exodus 21:22-23 shows that though the fetus has a value BUT it’s not considered full life because it was a life for a life back then (aka if you caused someone to loose their arm YOU lost your arm as payment). The fact it’s only a FINE speaks volumes about how they view the fetus.
        After relooking at the passage Numbers 3:15-16 speaks of one month or older males (females are not listed in this).
        Numbers 31:15-17 this is a command BY God to Moses to kill all the males and all the not virgin women (a very safe guess is that some of them were pregnant).
        Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28 the passage that is more or less a God mandated abortion. If the woman was unfaithful she’d loose the baby. God had no quams about aborting a fetus/zygote.

        Also: Ecclesiastes 11:5 states we cannot understand what God does in pregnancy. That’s his realm, not ours.

      • david rocha

        Where not under the old testament but under grace though jesus christ.

      • david rocha

        Big difference, we no longer hold a eye for a eye and we can now eat shell fish , and many other things we cant do but now we can.

      • Candy

        BUT that was changed in the new testament by Jesus directly. Jesus did not change the view of fetus/zygotes/embroyes like He did with food. The things that come out of a man’s mouth make them unclean, NOT what goes in (why we can eat shellfish and pork).

      • Candy

        I gave you the passages you wanted stating that God had no quams and did not value the fetus as a full fledged life (thoug, actually demanded it in some passages and Jesus IS God so there is that.
        The people of the Jewish faith I’ve spoken with state that they don’t consider life LIFE till the first breath outside of the womb. Considering they are the ones that the old testament comes from I’d like to give their opinion on the matter some thought too.
        You cannot say God above demands what you state when I’ve pulled from your own book passages that state otherwise. Remember the passage of Ecclesiastes that I posted at the bottom. YOU cannot understand, only God can. Leave it to them and the woman in question.

      • david rocha

        the many verses on abortion in the Bible
        “Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:4-5) that is prove right there, he knows you and me even before we where born, God lthe many verses on abortion in the Bible
        “Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:4-5)God looks at life different then you do, he knew you and me before we where born.

      • david rocha

        the many verses on abortion in the Bible
        “Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:4-5)
        “What then shall I do when God rises up? When He punishes, how shall I answer Him? Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb?” (Job 31:14-15)
        “For You formed my inward parts; you covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; marvelous are Your works, and that my soul knows very well.” (Psalm 139:13-14)
        Another among the Bible verses on abortion is Luke 1:15, which states that John the Baptist will be “filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb”, meaning that the baby in the womb has a soul for the Holy Spirit to fill.

      • Candy

        except again it doesn’t state WHEN and forming is not the same as life. I can form clay, I cannot breath LIFE into the clay (and there in lies the vital difference of most of your passages). And those passages also described appointed SPECIAL people in God’s eyes. They were exceptions (not all of us are to be born to be prophets after all). Considering the actual miscarriage rate women go through (most miscarriages happen even before the woman realizes she’s pregnant) I doubt God’s going to be ensouling millions of zygotes that are doomed to die, nobody even knowing it happened. Also those passages have NOTHING to do with abortion. The few OTHER times God mentions giving of life BY breath are:
        Genesis 2:7
        Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
        Acts 17:25
        nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;
        Genesis 6:17
        “Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
        Job 27:3
        For as long as life is in me, And the breath of God is in my nostrils,
        Job 33:4
        “The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
        Isaiah 42:5
        Thus says God the LORD, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it,
        Revelation 11:11
        But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them.

        The breath of life is referenced to when God turns dead matter into life. They can create mountains, rivers, stars, doesn’t make them alive. The same is said at the core of your passages. Yes, they molded, shaped, the body of humans in their mother’s womb but that ISN’T the breath of life. (and I’ll state again that John was a special case, we’re all not going to be prophet, God handled their creation of John with extra care as they should).

      • david rocha

        What should Christians believe concerning abortion?
        Abortion activists often attempt heroic acrobatics in logic to try to dismiss these Christian Bible verses, which indicate that abortion kills babies whom God “formed”, “sanctified” and “made” in the womb and in whom the Holy Spirit may already reside, and is therefore a murderous rebellion against God. This is common Christian teaching.
        A point of contention between pro-choice and pro-life groups is the beginning of life. When does it begin? Christians believe that life begins at the moment of conception.
        Psalm 51:5 – “I was born a sinner – yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.” (NLT)
        Jeremiah 1:5 – “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.”

      • regressive white trash reli

        who does “god” speak with?
        ……give me names

    • Raymond Phillips

      Your second paragraph is 100 percent bullshit.

      • Jim Bean

        What is this article demonstrating if not lack of respect for the representation being received by the anti-abortion community?

      • Veronica Torres

        What it’s showing is the outrage of the pro mind your own business community. The government has business to tend to. It doesn’t need to concern itself with who im sleeping with or what was decided with the product of that encounter. Uncle sam and all those that are anti my right to do what’s best for me can tell me what to do when they agree to support me and said products 100% for the rest of OUR LIVES!

      • Jim Bean

        Unfortunately, in many instances we ARE supporting that end product for the rest of your lives.

      • Veronica Torres

        And just so we’re clear. I fully support my own children. With my employment earnings. I use the word “our” because i am not any better or worse than my neighbor. So no you will not be supporting MY “end products”… they are being taught to take care of themselves.

      • Jim Bean

        I wasn’t speaking of you personally nor was I making any presumptions about you.

      • Veronica Torres

        I’ve tried several times to post the first part of this comment and it won’t let me. But yes. i am aware that you weren’t speaking specifically about me. Something that would have been evident in the first part Of it would flipping post…. ugh stupid technology…

      • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

        Not if you are following what the republicans want to do as soon as said “product” is born! As I said earlier once that baby is born it is on it’s own if the parents didn’t want it in the first place, can’t afford to feed it and are crazy lunatic parents who will abuse it . Screaming about people who expect welfare help and food stamps to help them is the norm for republicans so once that baby is here—–the hell with it. That’s the truth and you know it.

      • Cemetery Girl

        So, since the anti-abortion is so severely underrepresented, I’m assuming that you are anti-abortion. Abortion should not be an option, contraception shouldn’t be covered by insurance (oh, I know, that wasn’t mentioned here at all or part of the specific topic, although I do have a memory), and you lament having to pay for programs that support the care and feeding of the end result of women’s “choices”. I am curious exactly how all of this is supposed to work out. I’m assuming your a healthy male, although I’m guessing of the era where there where the good girls you married and the bad girls you had fun with, but how exactly do we work this out? I’ll even ignore female sex drive, well use the old assumption that nice girls don’t have a sex drive, how do you propose explaining to men (who have historically been taught to be proud of their sexual abilities) that women are going to have the option of children they can’t afford or “closing up shop”. Mind you, married men will be hearing this too. That will go over like gang busters. “Sorry dear, our insurance doesn’t cover contraception and we can’t afford it or another child now, so my hand lotion is over there.”

      • Jim Bean

        I became sexually active at a fairly young age. I had very little money but was smart enough to know a 25 cent pack of condoms was a good way to put to use what little money I did have. This isn’t that complicated.

      • Cemetery Girl

        You also know they aren’t 100% effective even when used correctly.

      • wendy

        People don’t respect being dictated to. They detest it in the business world. So being told what their bodies must do is not worthy of respect.
        Antiabortion community does not respect ones personal decisions

    • Pipercat

      Too much straw Jim.

    • Cemetery Girl

      OMG, why in the world should people that are minorties or LGBT or even those with disabilities be represented?? It’s America, all about the white, straight, Christian males, right?
      Abortion enthusiasts? Maybe I haven’t met the right people, but I haven’t come across people that hand out fliers for every pregnancy to be carried to term, follow pregnant women to the doors of an OB screaming “why haven’t you had an abortion?!? Go terminate that pregnancy while there’s still time!” There are many people that feel that strangers have no business deciding what happens in their uterus, or the uteruses of others. Strangers, stay out of my uterus (actually, feel free to go track it down, I’m sure it was last seen being thrown in to incinerate as medical waste). Let the owner of the uterus decide about pregnancy and contraception.
      Don’t want “gay marriage”, then marry someone of an opposite gender, or don’t marry at all and live the single life your whole life. Whatever, let people decide. Let people make their own choices.
      Oh, but conservatives find that offensive? Ok, well then I want the following things outlawed because they offend me: making that screeching sound with a fork against a plate, it’s horrible and needs stopped; calling food sexy, take the Food Nerwork off the air if need be but enough already; Justin Bebier, I think we all agree except teenage girls and they aren’t old enough to vote; people that park their cart in the middle of the grocery store aisle and make it impossible to many ear around them; the color combination of orange and brown; peas; and I could go on. I’m horribly offended and no one should be able to do or use or enjoy any of it. It bothers me, and while I have the option to avoid it, why should I have to? I hate peas so badly, they disgust me. Why should I have to see them in the grocery store even though I don’t buy them? Why should they be included in recipes? Why must I endure encountering them in restaurants? They repulse me, so they should be banned. Maybe if I get a group of rich, white men behind me I can make it happen.

      • Jim Bean

        Uh. . . .I never suggested they shouldn’t be represented. I said business, Christians, etc, should not be denied representation.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Business, particularly large ones, have had a huge say in politics for over a century. Christians haven’t been denied a voice. Allowing others to also have a voice doesn’t silence those that have been speaking.

    • wendy

      As far as the business community, its a tall order to accept greed as the norm. Or the Christian community when used to abuse laws and not pay taxes. Or the NRA as mentally I’ll people r free to run around with machine guns on killing sprees. And the anti- abortion community who dictates what women can do with their bodies

      • Jim Bean

        (1) You’re greedy too. We all are.

        (2) If the Christian community was abusing laws and evading taxes, wouldn’t they be prosecuted?

        (3) If you make a big push to deny gun-ownership rights to people who have sought treatment for mental health issues you will simply discourage people from seeking treatment in an environment where the treatment already has some measure of stigma attached to it. Anyone who has ever taken an anti-depressant fits the category of mentally ill.

        (4) I’m pro-abortion but not delusional. Abortion is a barbaric and uncivilized procedure and those opposed to it are further repulsed by the irresponsible sexual decadence promoted by those who embrace abortion as a form of birth control and then want taxpayers to pay for it. It would help your cause if your family toned that back a notch or two.

      • wendy

        Examples:Its a law for children to be vaccinated in order to attend school..unless its against their religion. Then its OK to infect others. And religious organizations know how to collect $$, yet its tax free. Why is that?
        No one is denying anyone guns. But u think its OK for any cray cray to have one, and pray they don’t get pissed off and go on a rampage?
        As far as abortion, nobody decides to get pregnant just to have one. Its an awful decision to have to make. But a personal decision. Society needs more unwanted children in poverty, that’s better? Tax payers should pay to feed all these unwanted kids. And if someone gets raped…that’s more barbaric than any abortion.

      • Jim Bean

        The people churches collect donations from have already paid the taxes on that money. Would you want St. Jude Children’s hospital to have to pay taxes on the donations they receive? How about Planned Parenthood?

        What is your definition of ‘crazy’?

        I already told you I’m pro-abortion. If it was up to me, you would be required to have one unless you can prove you can adequately provide for a child and have an opposite sex legal spouse to provide a normal, nurturing environment.

      • wendy

        Definition of crazy to me is : not in touch with reality in a moment. And as far as guns, sadly sane people also experience rage. I for one wouldn’t want to be around someone carrying a loaded pistol after finding their spouse in bed with someone. Not saying they shouldn’t b allowed guns, but I’d be scared.
        Donations are great! Why are conservatives willing to donate, but when it comes to the govt. helping anyone, its a waste of $$? O yeah, tax deductions, that’s y.

      • Jim Bean

        One of the conflicts arises because conservatives see themselves as the ones paying the most in and the see the liberals as being the ones taking the most out. Look at Obama’s college tuition proposal for example. 43% of the population would benefit and never contribute a dime. Nobody paid for my college education? Will Obama be covering it retroactively?

      • wendy

        What happened to opportunity in this country? Why should only wealthy children get one. Poor need not apply. Or at least loans should be accessible for someone with so much potential like my son.

      • Jim Bean

        What happened to opportunity? We gave up our religion and now its a one on one contest. Biggest and baddest eat first and eat best – not that fear of God was ever 100% effective.

      • wendy

        With all due respect to God, what’s that got to do so with how much tea is in China?

      • wendy

        And yes, most people only care about themselves until a hurricane or earthquake takes their neighborhoods. Then we support each other…Geez Louise!

      • Jim Bean

        I don’t know that I see a flaw in that. When the need is real, we tend to help. That’s a virtue. Its when the need is ambiguous we tend to look at how hard the individual is trying to help himself.

      • wendy

        Sounds kind of lonely selfish and narciccsistic to only care about oneself during good times. We have to share this world. Of course we need to be responsible for ourselves, but nothing wrong with helping others. I think in most people’s lives at one time or anotheranother, we need somebody other than ourselves

      • Jim Bean

        Actually, if you want to get into the nuts and bolts of that, we already have far more college educated people than we have jobs requiring them. And that creates a real mess because once someone has a college education they feel they are entitled to a nice clean, well-paying, upper level job. When there isn’t one for them then they think they been victimized.

      • wendy

        All I am saying is that my very smart determined son has potential that would be great to meet without having a rich mom. And after years of college and working ones butt off to get somewhere, its only natural to want a good job. No expects it to fall on their lap, but what is the point in going to college to become a professional then?
        The point is that this american ‘dream’ has become a nightmare.

      • wendy

        But your point is an awakening one. College might just be a gamble these days. You might get a career..you might not and owe $$$ for loans forever

      • wendy

        If nobody paid for your college, well then you were able to pay for it.

      • wendy

        I totally agree with u on having to prove that one has the ability to parent b4 giving birth. We need licenses for driving, for god sakessakes. Same s/b for having a child

      • Di Kelley

        I also disagree on forcing a woman to have one, Jim. My feeling, again, is that *you* do not get to tell a woman what she can or can not do with her body or anything that is within it. If she wants to keep her child, she is fully within her rights to keep it. If she wants to adopt it out, then so be it, if she wants to abort, you are not within your rights to stop her. It is *her choice*, no one else’s.

      • wendy

        We’re all greedy? That is just totally ridiculous and my response to that is no response.

      • Jim Bean

        Right now you have the means to give something of yourself to help someone less fortunate but you are not doing it.

      • wendy

        How could u possibly know that? You happen to be wrong about that. I don’t feel the need to splain what I give in time and $$ to others.

  • I-RIGHT-I

    Twenty weeks? Wow, you’re really quite well along at about 5 months aren’t you ladies? Kicking yet? I think you should all know that most Americans feel as you do and that they would never in a millions years abort a baby that age unless it were a matter of life and death. I believe that is covered under law already and this would not change a thing. But it would give us all some indication that these people actually listen to some of the things we tell them.

    • BB-Mystic

      Actually, the limit of Roe v. Wade is viability, which is currently around twenty-four weeks. A twenty-week fetus cannot live outside the womb, as the lungs are insufficiently developed. This twenty-week bullshit is based on the discredited, unscientific notion that fetuses can feel pain at that age. But twenty weeks is also around the earliest time a great many defects incompatible with life can be detected, via ultrasound.

      So: Really, Republicans? You’re going to force a woman with, for instance, an anencephalic fetus (fetus without a brain), to carry that fetus to birth? Or any other fetus with defects that will kill it as soon as it’s born?

      Congratulations, America. You got what you voted for. Or rather what a third of you voted for. Talk about the tyranny of the minority.

      • BruceCuffookJender

        Hey sweety. How are your tits?

        Another moronic post by you.

      • BB-Mystic

        Oh, gee. Hello Oy Humid + how many other banned accounts?

        Still as stupid as ever, I see.

        Don’t worry, I’ll just go straight to Disqus and flag you for being an abusive troll.

      • TheGenderAvenger

        Hey honey. How’s your bush?

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^NEW^^^TROLL^^^PROFILE^^^
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      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^never ^^^gets any breasts^^^^^
        …………..ergo: he cries………….

    • Michael

      No, it’s not covered. This measure, if it’s identical to previous attempts, will ban ALL post-20 week abortions. Mother’s life is not important, only baby.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        Nope.

      • BB-Mystic

        (Citation needed)

      • I-RIGHT-I

        “We have to pass the law in order to know what’s in it.”
        ~ Some Stupid Broad
        You’re welcome Sir.

      • BB-Mystic

        A) I’m not a Sir; and
        B) That snippity remark has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
        Therefore, [citation still needed] or you’re just pulling stuff out of your ass.

      • I-RIGHT-I

        I’m pointing out that DDT is not used to control malaria and it’s all your fault that millions die and millions more are doomed to live a life worse than your Mexican housekeeper. Simple.
        Not only that but broads like you and Pelosi are too stupid to talk to.

      • BB-Mystic

        No, actually I think you’re pointing out that a) your comments make absolutely no sense and b) you don’t want to supply proof for your assertion because you know there is no proof to be had. Prime example of trollishness and goalpost moving.

      • BruceCuffookJender

        You continue to be a prime example of libtard es. Get a Fookin clue, eh. How’s your bush?

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^NEW^^^^^TROLL^^^PROFILE^^^^
        (,,,,,his prior 40 profiles all banished by moderators)

    • Jim Bean

      I think if someone proposed the right of abortion be extended to two years from date of conception, Liberals would not object. Yeah, when asked about it, they would pretend to be appalled but they’d sit back and allow it to move forward.

      • BB-Mystic

        Jim, that’s nonsense. There’s an obvious difference between born sentient people and unborn nonsentient ones.

      • Di Kelley

        Nope, no one on God’s Green Earth would support a bill granting legal infanticide. Abortion is a different thing.

      • Jim Bean

        “Different?”. That’s where it gets sticky and subjective.

      • Yurance

        Jim, when’s the last time you carried a fetus to term?

      • Jim Bean

        Never. That’s why I’m wondering what magical transformation takes place with that thing at the moment of birth? (I’m not anti-abortion, btw. In fact I’d make it mandatory unless you can prove you can financially support the child – w/o government help – and that you have a committed spouse of the opposite sex to help raise it. Its only fair to the child who doesn’t have a say at this point.)

      • Di Kelley

        The fetus is inside the mother’s body, and in 99% of cases not able to survive outside it. A two year old is not.

      • Jim Bean

        So what? Abortion isn’t about the viability of the fetus, its about whether the woman wants the darn thing. So why cut off her options at the point of birth?

      • Di Kelley

        It is about whether it is still inside her body and thereby her choice or not, I don’t know how you don’t get that.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Viability is a factor, which is why instead of an abortion at 38 weeks the fetus would be removed and put in a nursery. If a woman is having severe health complications at 26 weeks they will remove the fetus and place it in a NICU. They don’t advise an abortion because it is viable.
        A woman’s options aren’t cut off at birth. She still has the option not to raise the child. There are laws (although I believe there is a maximum age) that allows parents to legally leave their children to be raised by someone else.

      • Di Kelley

        Fetus is still within the woman’s body, where she has every right to decide what happens within her own body. A two year old is not.

      • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

        Really?? And then there are the republicans who, once the baby is born, couldn’t care less about what happens to it. No food stamps—they can make it on their own. No health care! They can just use the emergency rooms for their health care. As usual Mr. Bean or whoever the hell you are–you show your stupidity when it is YOUR party who wants less government interference and your comment about the 2 years makes no sense whatsoever.

      • Jim Bean

        I’m pro-abortion and not a Republican.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Oh, so you ARE an abortion enthusiast? (As you had called it.)

      • Jim Bean

        I’m for responsible sexual behavior first but for those who aren’t up to the task . . .well . . . if you can’t manage that you probably aren’t fit to be parent.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Even with responsible sexual behavior a pregnancy can happen. Contraceptives are not 100% effective even when used correctly (which incorrect use is common.) Even a tubal ligation or vasectomy is not considered 100%. (Nifty little waver has to be signed stating the patient is aware that there is a low percentage of pregnancies that occur anyway.) Refraining from sex or removal of certain reproductive organs are about it for making sure that pregnancy won’t occur. And no, hysterectomies ARE NOT preformed as of contraceptive. It is a major surgery preformed based on a medical need. (It annoys me so bad when people, men and women, think that hysterectomies are done just to prevent pregnancy. It is a difficult surgery to recover from, with a risk of complications that can arise for life, a doctor that cares at all about keeping their liscense isn’t going to do it just because someone decides they’re done having kids.)

      • Jim Bean

        95% of abortions are the end result of irresponsible behavior.

      • BB-Mystic

        (Citation needed)

      • regressive white trash reli

        says jimo sans facts

      • Jim Bean

        I posted a link to the facts to relieve your consternation. However, I see it marked “Pending” – probably because evidence that contradicts the narrative is unwelcome. However if you search *reasons for having abortions in the united stated states* and use the Johnstons Archives link, you’ll see I was using the facts.

      • regressive white trash reli

        (a) im on your side with the ‘pending’ crap on this site— they do that to me also ( don’t know why)
        (b) 95%??? C’mon jimbo,,,,,,,how do they qualify a statement as subjective as ” irresponsible behavior ” to become OBJECTIVE???

      • Jim Bean

        Did you access the source?

      • regressive white trash reli

        I did,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and U need to go to the second table—AGI survey 2000-2001 — to enlighten yourself on this: more than 54% fall away from your inaccurate claim
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        that’s using YOUR “source” james…

      • TheGenderAvenger

        You are an idiot

      • regressive white trash reli

        NEW^^^TROLL^^PROFILE^^^crying!!
        ,,,,,,,,,,,he DID spell “idiot” correctly; a FIRST for him!!!

      • TheGenderAvenger

        You are a Shemale. A pastry chef who got fired because you got caught sniffing your daughters panties. You are sick

      • BB-Mystic

        Oh, here we go again! Hi, Oy!

        *off to Disqus to flag new troll account*

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^TROLL^^^PROFILE^^^JUST^^MADE^^^
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      • BB-Mystic

        Jim. Remember you have to manipulate your links to post them here. (I.e. www DOT linky DOT com). This has been explained to you more than once. It has nothing to do with suppressing contradictory information.

      • Jim Bean

        You’re right. I forgot I was on FP. My links never post there. I’ll check that out. Thanks.

      • regressive white trash reli

        jimbo again providing “jimbo” logic

    • Jillz

      Seems like a pretty big waste of government time and tax payer money then, spending time creating laws that already exist and won’t change anything, doesn’t it? And for what? Just to let their base know they’re listening?

      Fiscal responsibility, eh?

      • I-RIGHT-I

        It won’t cost $1,000,000,000,000.00 like most of your pet peeves do.

      • Jillz

        Whoosh!!!

        That was the sound of the topic of my post going right over your head!

    • Cemetery Girl

      At twenty weeks it usually isn’t a matter of the woman is just finally getting around to it. By that point it is usually because of a health problem. Problem with the mother is possible, but usually more of a problem with the fetus. These are usually cases where the woman has gone for an ultrasound, anticipating a touching experience, and instead finding out things are going very wrong. Don’t make judgements until you’ve laid on a table, had the tech turn the screen away from you and only reply “the doctors will examine this and contact you” to every question you ask, to leave the appointment in tears because you know nothing but have the instinct that things are not going to go as planned, and then finish that ride.

      • Di Kelley

        Thank you! Yes, statistically most abortions that take place at later than 20 weeks are due to #1, something wrong with the fetus or mother or #2, because of the very laws put in place that make getting one more difficult.

  • Veronica Torres

    Ok rep.Christians that actually support all this CRAP and judge anyone who’s made a very difficult decision. STOP IT. No one is forcing you to have an abortion or marry anyone of the same sex!!! All that IS going on is that you are being forced to let people live their lives. God loves you for who you are he has a plan for you. And he has a plan for us. Who are you to say that i am supposed to have the child or marry a man for that matter. (Btw I’m straight with 3 children) to live by the teachings of Jesus we are to not judge, just love. You don’t know the life of the person making those decisions.

    The purpose of our government was to help is grow as a powerful nation. And excuse my vulgarity, as much as you may feel powerful thinking about what goes into or out of my (and every other woman for that matter) vagina, believe me it cannot help you lower the poverty rate or stop overseas conflict. And i promise forbidding anyone to marry the person JESUS sent to them will surely get you sent to hell…

    so i say it loud and with great expectation.

    To our Senate and house of Reps.

    STOP ALL THE BULLSHIT!!!!! GET ON A PLAN TO HELP ENSURE OUR VETS GET WHAT THEY NEED. OUR HOMELESS A CHANCE AND A REALISTIC PLAN TO GET THEM WORKING AGAIN. OUR YOUTH FREE EDUCATION AND A HEALTHCARE SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY WORKS TOWARDS MAKING US HEALTHY AND NOT JUST STIFF US WITH PILLS…

    THAT IS MY CHALLENGE TO YOU GOVERNMENT!!!

  • BobJThompson

    That’s just the kind of hard hitting, “stand up for the little people” bill I expect from the Republicans. Do they ever get tired of behaving exactly as the stereotypes say they should?

    If you don’t want to get an abortion, then don’t get one. If you feel it’s murder, that’s not your sin. Speaking of sin, since the baby was never born nor reached the age of reason it cannot be sent to hell. +1 for Jesus.

    Manny forgot to mention a bill cutting taxes on the super wealthy to be pushed through. Then Obama will be accused of “not helping small business owners”. Let’s look at the history of tax cuts to the super wealthy. Regan did it. The wealthy got even richer and the economy crapped out. W did it. The wealthy got even richer and the economy historically crapped out. Fool me twice shame on… OH LOOK THAT LESBIAN COUPLE’S TRYING TO ADOPT A BABY!

  • wendy

    I thought the conservatives want the govt. to be practically nonexistent. They detest regulations in greed, but want to dictate our personal lives. Hypocrisy at its best!

  • Chandra M. Jordan

    They can do what they want with their bodies and I’ll do what I want with mine. I could never have an abortion but I’m not about to tell someone else they can’t either.

  • Ugh! Late term abortions are never ever wanted. Why can’t people see this? They are pretty much done out of compassion for a fetus that would not make it outside the womb, or if it did, would suffer horribly. They are also done to save women’s lives. Just goes to show you that Republicans don’t care about women. This is vile. These people should be doing what their districts/states want them to do, not what they want to do. They are representatives of the people, not all-powerful representations of their parties!

    • Cemetery Girl

      I’m curious what those that oppose late term abortion have to say about the “entitlements” these children would likely receive if they survive past their birth. Are they aware of the amount of services these special needs children will probably receive? I imagine many are not happy with the government paying for around the clock healthcare, hospital stays and surgery, medical equipment and supplies, and all that goes into caring for some of these children.

      • This is just stupid. You think people want disabled children or dead babies because they get help from the government? Do you even have any idea how hard that is emotionally and physically on somebody? Money doesn’t matter when you factor in the emotional distress alone. You’re just stupid.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Perhaps you should reread. I didn’t say people have children with disabilities to cash in on a government check. (A rather laughable idea.) Many conservatives that oppose abortion also oppose programs that help those in need. I don’t judge if someone feels they can’t handle having a special needs child and aborting. I don’t judge anyone that is told that their unborn child will be special needs and the person won’t abort. Everyone is different and special needs is hard, but rewarding. Doctors can be wrong. Children can be born in better health than expected. They can also be born with problems and vastly exceed projected life expectancy.

    • myintx

      The only survey I could find was for abortion after 16 weeks (which I would think would include some abortions after 20 weeks) and it does not support your claim. Most abortions done after 16 weeks are because the woman found out she was pregnant late…. Here are the top 6 reasons (women were allowed to pick more than one answer):

      Did not recognize the pregnancy 71%

      Had difficulty making arrangements for abortion 48%

      Was afraid to tell parents or partner 33%

      Needed time to make decision 24%

      Hoped relationship would change 8%

      Was pressured not to have abortion 8%

      Besides, the people voted these Republicans in… They are doing what the people want (a majority of people in this country want abortion illegal after 20 weeks).

      • No. You’re delusional and do not list a source. Get an education beyond high school, and you’ll see the light.

      • myintx

        The source was Guttmacher – an organization funded, in part, by Planned Parenthood. https://www.guttmacher.org/presentations/abort_slides.pdf (around p35)

        I have an education beyond high school. I know that an unborn child is a human being. I know that children – born or unborn – shouldn’t be killed just because they are inconvenient or unwanted.

  • myintx

    Numerous polls show that people want abortion generally illegal after 20 weeks. The Republicans are doing what their constituents want. I hope this bill passes.

  • Bobby McLeod

    Jesus is real and Trump doesnt belive in him and so called Christians are going to vote for him,they are stupid and you cant fix stupid!!!!!!