Fox News Once Again Caught Pushing Blatantly Edited Clip of Obama Interview to Slander the President (Video)

oreilly-panettaFor the second time in less than a month, Fox News has been caught blatantly editing an interview given by President Obama to completely fabricate a story that wasn’t true.


During a segment on The Factor with former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Bill O’Reilly played a clip of an interview he had with the president where they discussed the language used following the Benghazi attack. During the clip he pressed President Obama on whether or not the word “terror” was used that night.

There’s just one problem: when O’Reilly played the clip for Panetta, he left the part out where President Obama did admit that they viewed it as an act of terror based on the definition of terrorism. Which, of course, means that any response Panetta had to what he just saw was completely baseless because he had not been shown the full answer given by Obama.

In other words, because Panetta’s answer was altered due to this edited clip, Fox News literally manipulated the former Defense Secretary into providing soundbites that were completely inaccurate because they were comments made after he had been fed misinformation.

That’s essentially the definition of unethical journalism.

The full clip, as transcribed by Media Matters, went as follows:

O’REILLY:  Did he tell you, Secretary Panetta, it was a terrorist attack?

OBAMA:  You know what he told me was that there was an attack on our compound…

O’REILLY:  He didn’t tell you […] he didn’t use the word “terror?”

OBAMA:  You know, in — in the heat of the moment, Bill, what folks are focused on is what’s happening on the ground, do we have eyes on it, how can we make sure our folks are secure…

O’REILLY:  Because I just want to get this on the record…

OBAMA:  So, I…

O’REILLY:  — did he tell you it was a terror attack?

OBAMA:  Bill — and what I’m — I’m answering your question.  What he said to me was, we’ve got an attack on our compound.  We don’t know yet…

O’REILLY:  No terror attack?

OBAMA:  — we don’t know yet who’s doing it.  Understand, by definition, Bill, when somebody is attacking our compound…

O’REILLY:  Yes?

OBAMA:  — that’s an act of terror, which is how I characterized it the day after it happened.

Except, during the segment with Panetta, O’Reilly cut the clip off right after he said “no terror attack.” Which obviously leaves out the part where the president did call it an act of terror. Though cutting the clip off right there leaves the viewer with the impression that O’Reilly ended that line of questioning “confirming” that it wasn’t called an act of terror.


This obviously led to various other shows on Fox News running with this “story” of Obama’s edited comments and Panetta’s reaction to them. Which, again, doesn’t really matter because the interview was blatantly edited by the network. 

And the sad part is, most Republicans who see this won’t care. It won’t “prove” anything. They’ll dismiss it like they do everything else that proves Fox News is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the Republican party.

Watch the segment below via Fox News:




Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Ivan Renko

    To think Panetta doesn’t know every last detail of what President Obama, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton said repeatedly in the ensuing days after Benghazi attacks that it was a spontaneous uprising due to an internet video and that all three went out of their way not to characterize it as a terrorist attack is just absurd.

    That’s not deceptive at all. That story about whether Obama called it a terrorist attack or was merely alluding to the notion that the spontaneous uprising was in a sense an act of ‘terror’ has already been covered, debated and put to rest, and in that interview O’Reilly wasn’t going to get in a bizarre discussion about semantics between Obama’s equivocating between ‘terrorist attack’ and a sort of ‘act of terror’.

    What’s blatant here is Media Matters’ scrambling to control the damage to the Obama Administration from Panetta’s revelations that he knew it was a terrorist attack from Day One and that he told the Obama administration that it was.

    • Avatar

      Yes the video is deceptive enough to make Panetta saying something that doesn’t match the history well. Fox News simply got hard on the moment Panetta was “angry” with Obama. That’s true.

      • Ivan Renko

        Read Dan Balz’ column in the WaPo from yesterday, Avie. He calls Panetta’s revelations more a public service to the country than an act if disloyalty.

        Titled: ‘Will The President Listen to Leon Panetta?’

        Panetta’s reputation is near unimpeachable. Of course Fox is going to be very interested in reporting his confirmation of what they’ve been skeptical of Obama since the news first broke about the Benghazi attacks. Just like we’re now hearing this morning with the Secret Service prostitute scandal, this administration was hellbent on delaying any negative information that fall until after the election.

      • Robin Hood

        A voice of reason within the demented progressive leftists hypocrites. All worried about Fox news, no worries that a 2 term president has failed at almost everything he has attempted to do. Accept of course to help destroy the west. Keep fighting the good fight Ivan!

      • tcaruso01

        Congrats on the most pointless and useless comment of the day! Your talking points with no facts and the inanity of your last two sentences just prove who the demented person is on this thread!

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      • Ivan Renko

        We were in the middle of a crash. Stupid to use that as a benchmark to measure Obama’s effectiveness, but for idiots like you, it makes it much easier. The fact of the matter is, Americans by and large disapprove of his handling of the economy since taking office. That’s not taking into account what he promised to do as far as unemployment, growth and the deficits. The latest polling done by WaPo/ABC News, has Obama’s approval rating on his handling of the economy at 42% vs 51% disapproval.

        Yes, shemale, you indeed are a demented progressive. You’re not demented because you’re a progressive, and you’re not a progressive because you’re demented, but you are a demented progressive, for sure.

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      • Ivan Renko

        Polls have Obama at 39% approval and Democratic candidates in Senate races putting distance between him and themselves. Alison Lundergan Grimes from KY won’t even say if she voted for him.

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      • john silva

        So you say Panetta is lying? that’s what you’re saying? Wow! deny, deny , deny,

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      • john silva

        Seems like you’re on the wrong side of everything, Mr. I need a mirror. Haven’t you been put down enough? Mr. Renko and myself, wiped the floor with you until your post’s became an embarrassment! Go away. Clinton robbed social security and Obama created minimum wage jobs and food stamps. Obama has been voted worst president in history. Read em and weep.Obama lied about Benghazi and the IRS and about Ebola, terrorism is not dead, it’s very much alive, that’s why he wouldn’t answer O’reillys question , a simple yes or no would do, and he called any attack terror and he knew that wasn’t the point, he skated the issue. done, end of story, don’t bother me! have a nice day.

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      • john silva

        You seem to have an obsession with dick, especially small ones, you know what they say? when you point a finger at someone there’s three pointed back at you…..hmmm. You should discuss that with your therapist. Oh, so republicans don’t like women you say? yet, you’re in the stripper/porn business that exploits women as sex objects! these women are often addicted to drugs and people like you take advantage of the fact. By your own post “these bitches are all psycho, but they trade bodily fluids with me” so you also have a high opinion of women, since you’ve entered 300 of them. What you are is a hypocrite, typical and very common with Liberals (though you’re one of the worst) You accuse republicans of things and then in your ranting you go on to explain how you’re doing all those, and you don’t even know it! That’s called……….STUPID! You’re your own worst enemy! So, anyway, I gotta go…….toodles………

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        ( Ya know– the discussing those GRRRRREAT GOP policies?)
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        shall I tally up the facts again 4 U?

    • Jim Bean

      Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I just don’t get it. What, in gods name, is to be gained by tirelessly defending the indefensible?

      • Ivan Renko

        Go read the bio of the young woman at MMfA doing this report. I wish her well in her career, but right now she’s another recent liberal arts college grad from an expensive Northeast private school working as a research assistant at this think tank that has only one purpose right now, controlling the damage before this upcoming election. They can’t attack Panetta, it’s not a good strategy. So what do they do? Attack Fox News. What a novel approach.

      • john silva

        The American public knows this administration is lying, it’s these sheep that will follow him over the cliff that will always believe. Jim Jones comes to mind.

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    • Keith Welnicke

      3 separate committees found nothing. Just fox trying to push their usual fear journalism. Its a good thing they are not journalists because someone might take them seriously.

      • Ivan Renko

        Keep repeating that ‘they found nothing’. We just found that Panetta knew it was a terrorist attack the first day and told Obama that it was. A full week or so later on Letterman, Obama was still calling it a spontaneous uprising due an ‘awful Internet video attacking Islam’.

      • Gary Smith

        To paraphrase Patrick Moynihan, you’re entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

        The facts are the president described the very next day in the Rose Garden it as “acts of terror”. That is the very definition of terrorism.

        www dot cnn dot com/2012/10/17/politics/fact-check-terror/

        Stop lying, slappy.

      • Ivan Renko

        And let’s take that at face value, Gary. What’s the point of this blog post, then? If it’s settled that Obama called it a terrorist act, what is Panetta saying here? How did O’Reilly deceive him from anything. You’re trying to have it both ways.

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      • Keith Welnicke

        Who the fuck cares what Fox thinks what happens? 3 separate committees made up of both sides of the isle found NOTHING. Dry hump that leg all you want but you mom is calling you up stairs for dinner. Run along now boy.

      • Sandy Greer

        >Who the fuck cares what Fox thinks

        Clifton. That’s who. Clifton cares enough to write at least one Fox News article every single day.

        And every single one of us. There are plenty of other articles, and websites to post out there. We chose this one. Because we care.

      • Ivan Renko

        Most of those committees had no subpoena power. Cover-ups, obfuscations, failure to appear by witnesses, friendly questioning….a lot of factors make those very weak. Let’s agree to disagree till we hear more from the House Select Committee. Should be coming soon. Before the first week in November, if I’m not mistaken.

      • Mark Grenoble

        We also just found through court orders release of papers that many of the pertinent documents and E Mails were not turned over to those same committees in yet another attempt to cover up the truth. So in essence those committees found nothing because the “something” was withheld and hidden. Funny seems the court ordered the administration to release fast and furious documents that they have been with holding from Congress also. Even the NY Times a bastion of Liberalism calls this administration the “least” transparent in modern history.

      • Keith Welnicke

        Next they will want to know the name of the dog that was there. I know you wanna dry hump this so bad…….

  • cravin moorehead

    This is pertinent to no one other than Faux News.

    The three morons are the equivalent of flatulents in a hurricane.

    Deal with it.

    All that is left of the republican party are the very, very rich and those stupid enough to vote republican and against their own best interests.

    • john silva

      You’re a MORON! Nice picture by the way, typical of a Liberal, mad at something always, waiting around to be insulted, never happy! You view of the Republican party is so outdated, lets say the 60s, same ol lying bullshit from the left and the MSM, why, because, America has woken up to the failure of Liberal policies and the Republicans are about to take over.

      • cravin moorehead

        Thank you for your “kind” words, John. They are right out of the republican play book, formulated by the 1%, you tool.

        I can tell by your reply that YOU aren’t one of the rich ones.

        Why, I can tell by your post that you must have voted for W., TWICE! Go ahead. Tell me that I’m wrong.

        Now, say, “hello”, to your mom for me, when she brings your diner down to you, in her basement.

        You’ll receive no further responses from me as I don’t make it a habit to have any repartee with an individual that has an intellect below that of a lamp shade.

        Get lost.

      • john silva

        No problem. You won’t respond because you have nothing to say! Now go home and get your shine box!

      • John

        You people are the reason why I feel disgusted every time I consider voting Republican. I consider myself a conservative, but I almost feel compelled to vote Democrat just so I can say that my vote is not among such disgusting people like yourself.

        Any thinking person, regardless of whether or not they are liberal or conservative should know that Fox News is a mockery of the word “news.”

      • john silva

        You’re conservative? NOT! Typical Liberal trying to sell his point by saying he’s conservative! Apparently you haven’t seen the polls related to most trusted and highest rated news program. What you are is a liberal who hears a opposing opinion and thinks it’s got to be bias. Look at Obama’s approval rating, his own party is turning against him. The corruption is unbelievable! tell us about the video that caused the murder of 4 Americans. Nothing to see at the IRS? that’s why Lois took the 5th. How about Ferguson? You and your ideology are losers! Keep listening to msnbc and cnn, because thats where you get your information!

      • gwynne

        john silva, the TV network you are defending, by their own admission in a Court of Law, is an entertainment channel and NOT a news channel. When fox “news”, the entertainment channel, has any of their programs “fact checked”, it is found they tell the truth about 18% of the time…which means they do NOT tell the truth approximately 82% of the time. No other network comes close to these numbers…but why let a few facts get in your way. The only reason their ratings are so high is because they tell the far right cons exactly what they want to hear, not the truth.

      • john silva

        Really? Where’s your proof? NBC has to apologize for doctoring the George Zimmerman photograph, MSNBC, the lowest rated and trusted news organisation or entertainment channel. The whole mainstream media CBS,NBC,ABC, MSNBC, CNN, covering up and not reporting on the president, How do you justify that? while the flayed G. Bush. What you are is a hypocrite just, like the rest of you Liberals which include Whoopi, Rosie, and comedy central. There must be a lot of far right cons, because this nation is turning it’s back on Obama and Liberal policies, or don’t you look at the poles.

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        …….I get 14 yrs of communist Clinton and obama
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      • cravin moorehead

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      • john silva

        Wow, you must be really together, and people who eat a country fried steak are idiots is that it? Get real!by the way I’m in California.

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      • Kojo

        John, what the nation is turning its back on is the stalemate in the do nothing congress. Your side won the war against Obama in that all they had to do was fall down like a child in a grocery store who isn’t getting his way and become a limp sack of dead weight. We liberals still believe in Obama for the most part but we are terribly disappointed that he didn’t have the wherewithal to drive a Mack truck up republican asses. Yes, our politicians are typical duck and cover artists too and come election time they distance themselves from whomever is taking heat of any kind. Its true that the news organisations we tend to watch do not do anywhere as well as Fox News. That’s because we do not need our politics spoon fed to us as you do. We can make up our own minds as to what is valid and how to think. MSNBC is the left version of Fox and its not something we take seriously. Its just push back to your double barrelled crap shooter network. Liberals do not need to ‘herd’ and assure ourselves of what to say and think. McDonald’s is the biggest ‘food’ chain just as Fox is the biggest ‘news’ chain. Think about it. Doesn’t take much brains to consume either of those products.

      • john silva

        You liberals can think on your own? Wow! MSNBC is a rag, can’t even compare to Fox news and the ratings prove it. 53% of the people view this presidency as a failure, 8% unsure, so that leaves 39% who support it, figure it out. You Liberals are the thinkers is that what you’re trying to tell me? get real we saw you at occupy wall street, that was a impressive group of people. Why pick on Fox news? you have NBC, ABC, CBS, MSLSD, and CNN all covering for the president. What you sound like is a bunch of spoiled brats because things aren’t going your way!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

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      • john silva

        Then why are you people always bitching and complaining? Oh that’s right you’re never happy! Did you get that “Redskins”jersey I sent U

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        ( see: TEA PARTY)

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      • Kenneth Browning

        Who cares about ratings? That speaks nothing about the quality of a program the same as any other entertainment industry. How many of those people tuning into fox news do it for a laugh? Also, all those networks suck and are corporate owned trash.

      • Sherri G

        85% of America think Congress (mainly Republicans and Tealiban) are obstructive, lazy, only there for their own agenda, favoring their wealthy friends, lazy and willing to destroy the country just to make PRESIDENT Obama look horrible and be a 1-term president……

      • Kenneth Browning

        You pick out one or two example to counter an actual study? I’m going to guess that you weren’t on a debate team.

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      • cravin moorehead

        As are his rectal skills!

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      • Cooper

        It’s the most trusted news source because of simple, gullible people like you who will gladly slop up any misinformation that a talking head on that network spews as if it had been spoken by Jesus. It’s too bad you’re unable to step back and be a clear minded individual who can recognize that what they report isn’t the news, but it’s complete spin designed for simple folks like you who await their words with salivating mouths and will believe ANYTHING they “report.” Ever hear of critical thinking? And please try not to be so angry like you say we liberals are 🙂

      • angie497

        “Apparently you haven’t seen the polls related to most trusted and highest rated news program.”

        FWIW (not that it’s likely to sway you in the slightest), there’s a rather large difference between ‘most trusted’ and ‘most trustworthy’. You might convince me to believe you, but that doesn’t mean that you’re telling the truth.

        And yes, FOX News is the highest rated cable news network. It’s also offered in the basic package of almost every cable provider, while getting CNN and/or MSNBC usually requires the purchase of a more expensive package. If people have access to you but not your competitors, I’d hope like hell that you could be #1.

      • john silva

        I have the basic package and get all 3 (direct tv) so there goes that argument! Most trusted because they present both sides. O’Reilly is completely fair, apparently you never watch and are talking out your ass!

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      • Kenneth Browning

        O’Reily is completely fair? Did you skip the article you’re commenting on?

      • john silva

        That was a yes or no question what part did you miss. By the way he said anytime we’re attacked it’s terror, he knew what the point was and avoided it. Terrorist as in al-qaeda, why because he said al qaeda was destroyed, we’ve won the war on terror, remember that? apparently not

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        **********************************************************
        McDonalds– number ONE (1) in america
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      • Mark Grenoble

        BS! MSNBC is in every cable package and basic satellite package and no one watches. Why? Because they are not journalists. They have reduced themselves to nothing more than cheerleaders who have been caught editing tapes repeatedly, misrepresenting facts and hiding real news that is not favorable to Obama. Fact is the only real economic indicator that has risen is the evil 1% stock market. Biggest partakers of corporate donations. Libs. Biggest politically donors Libs. Steyer and Soros bith contribute more than the Koch brothers. They tell you they are for the middle class while hobnobbing with the “rich and famous” and laugh while you drink the koolaid. Such fools. Median household income is down, job participation down, food stamps at record highs, health insurance costs through the roof. I dont care how you dress a fool he is still a fool. PS main stream media is a basic service and their ratings suck now too. And even they cal this president the most secretive least transparent administration in history. Have another drink

      • Sherri G

        44% approval rating…. Republicans 33%…Congress <15%

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      • Dan Cantwell

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      • john silva

        Never change names! Regressive? your party owns that. Your anything goes morality, your global warming scam, your, trying to get everybody dependent on government. 15 dollars an hour burger flippers who’ve been there 15 yrs, The party of “give me something for nothing” You don’t encourage people to educate and get a better job, you tell them they’re all victims.

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        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        now,,,,,,, about those republican JOB “CREATION” numbers or excessive republican spending numbers,,,,,,,,,
        cliven bundy/ ted nugent anyone?

      • Ivan Renko

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        OMG. Shemale brings the heat.

        It’s so scary.

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      • Ivan Renko

        I almost told you to take the Seahawks and give the 8 1/2 this morning. I still can’t believe it. Still early for this team, though.

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        it “seems” that when I place very very easy 2 read FACTS– from the FRED website–not krugman- you invariably ( again) spin more bavardage.
        so– facts show conclusively that REPUBLICANS do NOT ( see: do not) create more jobs than democrats ; not even close actually–
        so lets move to a better gauge of economic numerical policies–
        DEFICITS( and surpluses) of the past 25 years!!
        do I need to lather U with CBO and US treasury FACTS –again– ??
        Its very simple to do– and by again showing whoever is reading these posts its very gratifying to make U look not only uneducated but obtuse by comparison as U change seats on that sinking vessel U remain captain of–
        care to be slapped silly by MORE facts?
        or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe such ^^^ “luminary” name calling^^^^will assuage your irascibility?
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      • john silva

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        lemme know

      • john silva

        The only reason Obama was reelected was do to the negative ads about Romney working in the evil private sector and having morals, also a majority of democrats are on some type of government assistance. Just like your name liking shemale porn pretty much sums up your intelligence and morals. No we are not better off. The job participation rate is the lowest it has been since the 70s or worse, Middle Class income is down, our foreign policy is in chaos, ISIS could have been stopped a long time ago. Benghazi , the IRS, the constant lying, the southern border, it just goes on and on! signed John who doesn’t support gay marriage!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        wow–
        Im not very bright; but U did NOT answer my question; didja’?
        ========================================
        did U play in the 1970’s band ” the spinners”?

      • john silva

        Really, and I’m supposed to know this? Don’t mingle in the same circles as you. If you read my post I not only answered, but, explained. Who’s stupid?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        I must be the stupid one!!
        ================================
        after all; with the USA hemorrhaging nearly 750,ooo jobs PER month and the stock market in free fall– as well as property values crushed and NO homes being built- or BOUGHT– coupled with a much much higher unemployment rate; Im totally stupid NOT to see how “well off” we were THEN ( see: dec 2008) compared to now ( and lets look at deficits and GDP % in comparison to per capita; shall we? )
        those silly little facts DO not help me ” see” things very clearly do they?
        ***********************************************************
        oh; and our foreign ‘policy’ then was,,,,,,,,,, exactly WHAT???
        help a stoooopid liberal out here; will ya’?

      • cravin moorehead

        Since you asked….YOU!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        read my reply to him and lets see how he spins this–if he DOES reply at all

      • john silva

        Iraq was stable when G.Bush left. How about the Arab spring, the Russian reset, just to name a few. This is the slowest recovery is U.S. history, the American economy was built to perform. What about the trillion dollar stimulus and shovel ready jobs. What about Obama care, wait until the employer mandate kicks in. There’s no need to spin anything, just tell it like it is. If you want more see the response to star seed.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sturdy job creation and 5.85 unemployment?
        Hmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, forget that–
        lets play “question” ok??
        =============================
        is America better today,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or late 2008?
        ==============================

      • john silva

        That’s like saying “was Hiroshima better before the bomb or after” As I said the American economy is built to perform what this president has done is retard growth, divided this nation into race, war on women, everybodys a victim.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        im not very bright,,,,,,,,,can U explain to my STOOOPID ass exactly HOW Obama has retarded this recovery/ economy? toss in some tidbits on obamas war on women; and PLEEEEEZ inform me which EIGHT(8) YEAR administration was in power when we collapsed in 2008———
        =====================================
        help a stupid liberal progressive ( me) out here-

      • john silva

        Benghazi? two words “The Video” what a crock, how about repeated request for added security, the stand down order once it started…………………..The video lie………

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        REEEE-PUBLICAN led ( Darrell issa) committee said no order to stand down was given; no resources or men were withheld- no “coverup” was found–
        ==================================
        or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,was there another BENGHAZI I missed?

      • ron444888

        THE GOP WERE THE ONES WHO CUT ALL THE MONEY FOR ARE EMBASSIES !!!

      • john silva

        OMG! are you serious? is that the best you can do? I guess the repeated requests for added security and why it wasn’t supplied is because of the GOP too!

      • bobg

        Isis was created by the Cheney administration when they destabilized the region with no exit strategy, then disbanded the Iraqi military. Guess Fox “News” left out this piece of history.

      • Cooper

        Well done again, Mr. Silva. You’ve hit all the key Fox talking points. Maybe you should get out more often. And no, the majority of democrats are not on some kind of public assistance. Go to the “red states” (well, you’re probably already in one) and be amazed, yes amazed, at how many people identify as Republicans only to then criticize the very benefits they are receiving that allow them to keep from being homeless and be able to feed their families (somewhat). And it’s the Republicans who would take this Republican’s assistance away, and he doesn’t even know it. He thinks the GOP is interested in helping the poor. The ignorance is actually quite sad.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        he — and all other regressive repub trolls on these sites– do have that rhetoric =down perfectly; don’t thye??

      • Ron Bradley

        prove there was a cover up, I bet you can’t

      • Star Seed

        Sir, you are not helping the Republican cause. Just FYI, Conservatives are now seen by most people as delusional, greedy liars that like to preach about so-called morals that they refuse to practice. For example, Ted Nugent that loves to preach about conservative values but doesn’t deny allowing a twelve year old Courtney Love performing head on him when he was twenty-nine. When asked, he just replied that he didn’t remember. Not that he would never do something like that to a little girl. He also adopted a seventeen year old so that he could marry her and have sex with her. That’s not supporting family values. That’s endorsing sex with little girls and teen girls. Don’t even get me started on the songs he wrote such as “Jail Bait”. Then we have Newt and Limbaugh, oh, and that Republican that was fighting against child porn but attempting to seduce a young teen boy. Obviously, these people don’t support conservatism but nonetheless, people that adhere to conservatism live on almost every word these men speak. Purge your party sir, and start over. Oh, and try dropping the hate, racism and misogyny. These are very un-Christian values.

      • john silva

        Typical Liberal airhead rant! Republicans hate women? like we don’t have wives, daughters and mothers, yet you people same nothing about the muslim treatment of women. Racism? it seems you people have the market cornered on that, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, Obama, just to name a few. The only hate I see is you people, because, you Hate a different point of view and try and silence it. Rush, is right on the money. Your PC crowd sits around waiting to be insulted. Mistreating women? how about Bill Clinton! You are the party of hypocrisy. Purge your party sir and start over. 6 yrs of liberal policies, look at the polls and the mess we have. Tell me what a good idea it was to trade 5 taliban leaders for bergdahl, tell me about the J.V. team, how about the IRS targeting conservative groups, talk about hate! Tell me about the bias mainstream media who flayed George Bush, but, covers for Obama. Tell me about the southern border. It goes on and on, What about Ebola? it seems to me someone said it wasn’t a threat to this country. On and on

      • Star Seed

        Are you saying standing up against associating with and idolizing grown men that endorse sex with adolescent girls and boys and not supporting them is stupid and “liberal” as if being liberal is a filthy disgusting crime as opposed to a grown person having sex with children? Then you decide to go on a rant where you endorse American division by separating into “us” and “them” while automatically assuming that just because I have a different perspective than yours that I must be a liberal. You throw out that Republicans and conservatives have mothers and daughters and sisters too, as if having a mother, daughter or sister must make a man against misogyny. One thing is for certain that having a mother, daughter or sister did not stop denying women the right to vote, the right to own property or to have a quality education other than home economics. History is filled with examples of court rulings against women, especially women that are abused with one supreme court judge ruling in favor of an abusive husband because women, according to him were property of their husbands and must submit to their husbands, no matter what while using Genesis to justify his ruling. I’m pretty certain that he had least had a mother, it is kind of the way the world works. Oh and by the way, I deployed to Iraq under former Mr. President Bush, even after the elections was rigged by his brother in Florida in favor of former Mr. President Bush and answered the call to war after we invaded Iraq. Not once, did I disrespect him. In fact, I agreed with Republicans that it is immoral and indecent and unpatriotic to insult and degrade the President during a time of war, only for the same party to turn around and insult and degrade Mr. President Obama, even though we are still at war and then idolize a leader from another country that would love to see us fall – Putin. You want to bring up Muslims? We statistically share a 25% domestic violence abuse rate with Syria. It is not only Muslim men that are part of that percentage for America and does not include the percentage of women that abuse men with male victims too afraid to stand up because they do not want to be thought any less of a man and that in itself shows how our great country perceives women. Clearly, not all men are alike or abuse, no matter their ethnicity or religion and we have no business judging others when we need to successfully address the very same issues in our country. Yet, Republicans are the ones that stand against domestic violence laws even if a Republican president, such as former Mr. President Bush endorses and signs such laws into action. You want to talk about the Southern border? The drug cartel did not become powerful overnight or during one presidential term and were only made as powerful as they are because some of our own Special Forces guys went rogue and taught the cartel to run the business like a military operation. Then after that happened, countries of South America countrie were further destabilized and many of those immigrants are trying to escape the bloodthirsty cartels suspected to have been supported by the CIA in order to pay for war under a Republican president and the poverty caused by irresponsible industry that operated with little regard, if any for the people that did just fine before corporations invaded their country with extremely low paying jobs that are just a notch above slavery. Apparently, something that Republicans would love to see happen here, as far as slave wages. Also, Ebola has been around for at least thirty years, killing Africans yet no one cared, just like HIV was around since at least the 1950’s but no one really made the connection and still didn’t care after a connection was made until children and straight people started becoming infected with HIV and dying from AIDS. I’m sure that the gay and bisexual men that died and no one cared about were someone’s father, son, or brother. That didn’t matter much, though, did it? You’re right, we could go on and on.

      • john silva

        So what you’re saying is that women that are married to republicans, or, if they are one, can’t think for themselves? or are victims? you’re degrading women! and you bring Ted Nugent, he’s one person, and courtney love a trashy Liberal. You sound like a man hater, I just the rest your rant, You’re a complete lunatic! and sound like a conspiracy theorist! you know, give you enough rope and you’ll hang yourself, you did pretty quickly. You are a prime example of the Liberal Democratic party. Low information, pot smoking, meth using, complete idiot! Don’t put down the pipe it’s to late for you!

      • Star Seed

        Ted Nugent is supported by highly influential political figures such as Sarah Palin. He also has quite the support system that consists of people that consider themselves conservatives. I stated that Nugent and a few other high profile conservatives clearly did not support conservatism. It is not my fault that so many conservatives support those individuals or that Nugent is a conservative cult figure. Pointing out as such does not make me a liberal, man-hating conspiracy theorist that smokes pot, meth, or whatever drug is out there. Pointing out the misogynist, sexist and racist messages that many high profile conservative political figures have CHOSEN to state, doesn’t mean that I’m any of the above either, and the fact that you are threatened by what I had to say, instead of even trying to understand a different perspective as evidenced by your hateful and ignorant insults, speaks a lot about your character, not mine. Everything that I pointed out can be found in trustworthy academic sources. I personally think that liberal and conservative extremists should just be allowed to go to a certain region and battle it out and leave the rest of Americans that want viable solutions without constitutional violations or corporative and union influence on government for our country to fix the mess that both conservatives and liberal extremists created for our country.

      • john silva

        I don’t know if what you said about Ted is even true, even if it was, wasn’t that the early seventies, Rock n Roll sex and drugs, and if true where was the Liberal courtney Loves mother. You are a Liberal extremist only Conservatives hate women? is that it? that’s totally lame! Again either you were abused and hate men or you just hate men. It’s the old tired Liberal line. Oh, and Conservatives are the only racist too? You sound like you’ve never had an education and have been told stories about what to think. You hate Ted but probably love Jane Fonda, the traitor to her country in time of war, a big Liberal. Men actually died because of her actions! How about Sandra Fluke, like yourself a nazi feminist, lying to the american people about her birth control cost. You people do not speak for the majority of women, in fact most women are getting along just fine and want nothing to do with your type, and they do it on their own! “Without Constitutional violations” , you might want to check out your own party, they seem to have the market cornered. You sound like a utopian dreamer. As far as racism you might want to hookup with Al, Jesse , Holder and Obama, they’re the ones keeping it alive.

      • Star Seed

        The man doth protest too much. All you have to do is a simple internet search. You will even find his apologists defending his decision to adopt a seventeen year old and then bragging about adopting her so that he could marry just so that he could have sex with her. That does not sound like good Christian or conservative values to me. Also, it does not matter what Courtney’s beliefs are or where her mother was at. If what Courtney says is true (Ted does not deny or confirm her allegation. He just says he doesn’t remember), it does not excuse a grown man from having a twelve year old girl perform oral sex on him. That would be HIS fault. Not hers, not her mother’s. Why would you blame the victim? Why does it have to be everyone else’s fault instead of his? You continue to stretch and grasp with assumptions and false equivocations. Perhaps, that is easier to do then to try and have a decent discussion.

      • ron444888

        john you must be a complete moron , everybody should know by know that fox news is all lies..Benghazi, and the IRS are scams to bring down Hillary in 2016.. the trouble is the American people are smart enough to know the gop lies all the time because they have NO POLICIES but one and that’s to take care of the RICH NOT THE POOR !!!

      • john silva

        Hey meth user, you need some new material. IRS a scam? oh, that’s why Ms Lerner took the 5th? Benghazi a scam? then why the video lie? so, go on smoking moron!

      • john silva

        No,I didn’t play for the spinners, good joke though!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        funny– ya did NOT answer ANY of my economic based inquiries
        ====================================
        hows that joke sit on ya’??

      • john silva

        I’ll respond when I look up the numbers and can provide a link, which Ivan has asked you to do time and time again!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        “link”??
        having a tough time ALREADY KNOWING THE WELL ESTABLISHED FACTS ,, eh?
        =====================================
        lancelot link,,,secret chimp

      • john silva

        Just happened to be at my computer. Under Obama, the jobs created are mostly low wage and part time a little fact you over looked. Very little middle class and high paying jobs http://www.nyt. He is still way behind the 10.6 million people who left the work force since 2009. Worker participation is at a 36 yr low if not all time low. In summation, Mcdonalds has been hiring alot!

      • Cooper

        The republican party is stuck in the values of the 50’s and 60’s, Mr. Silva, which is why they are viewed that way. They are the regressive party while democrats/liberals are the progressive party, meaning we recognize the need to move on, be flexible and not remain stuck with outdated policies and values.Time marches on, but it seems republicans don’t want it to. And you’re a typical conservative hypocrite, by the way. You accuse liberals of always being mad at something, yet what are the first words of your post: “You’re a moron!” Nice work.

      • Cooper

        And one more thing: You visit an obviously liberal web page and then complain about its contents. What did you expect to see? If I put on Fox News, I’m not expecting to hear praise for Obama, that’s for sure.

      • Vivian Sue House Hughes

        You can always tell when a republican gets his feelings hurt when his next post begins with name calling.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        would that include the ” failures” suchas getting EQUALITY for women and gays and minorities? failures such as increased JOB CREATION? ( tons lately) failures such as stock market at all time highs? failures such as CORPORATE profits at record levels? failures such as unemployment at 5.85%?
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        ” failure”? U have been smoking the same rhetorical pipe as michelle bachmann

      • john silva

        The stock market can’t be used to gage the economy, thought I’d let you know. What you do is character assassinate, no argument, go after the person. Equality for women? that’s lame! You people come up with some outrageous stuff, look how your party flat out lied about the Hobby Lobby decision. Employment participation is at all time lows, you don’t seem able to grasp that. Oh, you are the party of Sandra Fluke and Rosie O’donnell as well, they seem to speak for you people. What you should do is put down the pipe and stop drinking the koolaid.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        1st- im a registed INDEPENDANT; so u dropped the ball on that one. 2ND: employment participation is diminished by baby boomers retiring and many – such as me– going the way of self employed ( since 1989; now have 2 LLCs in the state of florida)
        I do like how U use the ante-deluvian GOP/tea party chatter of sandra fluke and rosie o phlego–
        stock market NOT used to GAUGE ( check spelling) economy?? really?? corporate profits equated in the market do not count???
        what do U use??? dead soldiers in Iraq lie based war? Halliburton wealth creation?? gerrymandering voting districts? Voter ID laws ( no being overturned en mass by courts) to screw minorities and elderly?
        NOTE: U did NOT did NOT answer my easy2answer question::::::
        is America better off NOW,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ………………..or late 2008?
        ===============================

      • john silva

        You must think I’m psychic, how would I know you’re an Independent? I know you’re not Conservative. 1929 the stock market was gangbusters until it crashed. What’s wrong with voter ID? How is that racist? mind explaining that with your pals the new black panthers. You’re also the party of global warming, except it’s not. I answered your question.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        with over one BILLION ( 1,000,000,000) votes cast (primary/ general elections) in America since 2111; and with 31 ( some say 37) CONFIRMED voting frauds ( equally split between dems and repus) can U tell me why NOW repubs need VOTER ID as well as shrinking voting and gerrymandering districts to help the REGRESSIVES out?
        where did I use the word RACIST?
        NOTE: u did NOT answer my question; are we better off today or late 2008?
        ” yes” …….or……. ” no”?

      • john silva

        Yes we’re better off, but, no thanks to Obama, as I said the american economy is built to perform, he has retarded growth. Over regulation, wait until the employer mandate kicks in with Obama care. 53% of the people are viewing this presidency as a failure 8% unsure. Would you explain how Al Sharpton is the presidents go to guy on race relations. What ever happened to raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires? what a scam! mr. president will you please raise my taxes.

      • Max

        John Silva, our view of the Republican Party is so 60’s because they transgressed to the 60’s. They are anti women, minorities, unions, seniors, children and the poor. That is on them because they have proved it with their policies . Their blatant racism is 60’s. They should run away with the midterm elections next month but can’t even do that because it’s so blatant. You’re just an ignorant troll!

      • john silva

        Racism? when your party owns the KKK. The democratic playbook “scare tactics” anti children, women ,seniors, poor, you’re not worth talking too! moron!

      • Kenneth Browning

        You’re the moron who thinks they’re actual liberals in any office in the U.S. They’re all right – centrist to extreme right. But watching the MSM wouldn’t lead you to that conclusion.

      • john silva

        I’m curious, what’s your idea of a liberal

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        a liberal is a person who wants PROGRESS in America ( see: equal equality for women/ gays/ minorities) and is TIRED of white trash religious regressives claiming JEEEEESUS is a republican
        =========================================
        progress? look up JOB creation numbers of all ( all) presidents from say– HOOVER?

      • john silva

        You seem to have trouble with religion. There’s laws on the books covering equality. Can you state an instance where minorities are discriminated against now? and women? you insult women by insinuating that they can’t take care of themselves, they need you to do it for them. They’re victims! like everybody else, this is what you preach! we need government for everything! Global warming, what a scam. You want to reduce CO2 emissions better get India and china on board because the produce 85% of it. Funny how Australia threw out their carbon tax! The earth hasn’t warmed in 18yrs Mr. White trash, scam artist, with all your fear mongering and doom. Where’s Al Gore now? I thought by now the ice caps would be melted, thats what he said years ago. Antarctica has record ise pack levels the arctic is continuing to expand, deep ocean water is not warming. Let’s talk about good job creation, what about the Keystone pipeline hmmmm…..We had green power like solyndra…. Mr. regressive.

    • Andy Kinnard

      Social conservative purists

      • Jeff Z

        Neo- fascist Christians. ..national security issues perpetuating throughout fox news

    • Ivan Renko

      Dems are on the verge of another mid-term blowout by ‘all that is left of the Republican party’, cravin.

      Yet another scandal breaking today from the most transparent administration evar.

      • cravin moorehead

        I suggest that you use a device called, “spell check.”

        Then, Google the word, “Gerrymandering.”

        That’s the only way republicans can hold power.

        You are VOID of ideas.

        “JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!” Those are the words of your hero, John Boehner. That man that has blocked EVERY SINGLE JOBS BILL FROM BEING VOTED ON, ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS!

        #Anti American, coward.

      • tallron

        I suggest you remove your cranium from your anus, but chances are you have an affinity for those regions.

      • Steve Brains

        Hey sheepie!!! you are REALLY into anuses aren’t you?

      • Ivan Renko

        You guys are boasting how wonderful the jobs market is, cravin. So which is it, is the market good or bad?

        No spelling errors, either, other than the intentional spelling of ‘evar’.

      • cravin moorehead

        No, the job market isn’t wonderful.

        republicans have enabled their corporate masters, to send all of the good paying American jobs, to third world countries, that have labor forces that work for slave wages.

        And, to make it worse, theses same corporations are given tax breaks, and allowed to move their profits off shore, as an incentive to do so.

        Consequently, the 1% become richer and richer, and the American worker is forced to take work, far below his capabilities at a drastic reduction in pay.

        The middle class has been under attack by the 1% ever since Reagan, with the aid of that drunken, Democratic, speaker of the house, Tipp(sy) O’Neal, began to attack unions.

        This can not continue indefinitely. Sooner or later the bottom will fall out and an actual violent revolution will take place.

        My grand children will be a part of that revolution. And, they will win.

      • Ivan Renko

        You guys also brag about the stock market, which is further widening the disparity between the rich and the poor. Which is it, good or bad?

      • Steve Brains

        It’s GREAT, because now ALL those people whom your kind defrauded in the “Great Bush Market Crash that FLEECED the Treasury Exactly as Planned” will have their retirement funds restored. I personally am almost 17,000% ahead. Thanks to George Soros and a good memory, I did what the “Man who broke the bank of England” did.

        I shorted the Euro after the Bush administration degraded the dollar to $1.65 USD to the EURO. Scored .875 and missed on only one contract.

      • Ivan Renko

        No, you didn’t net. 17,000% return.
        And not sure why you put ‘ALL’ in caps, because not ALL will have their retirement funds restored.

        And what of the folks without retirement funds? How is President Obama’s wealth effect working for them? Is it trickling down to them yet?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        I also doubt anyone is 17000% ahead, I would want to see entry points and dates and exits also.
        >the EURO went up quite abit before stalling and regressing this year
        ========================================== considering “trickle down” is a republican mantra; bringing it up as a weapon is not strategic

      • Ivan Renko

        Calling you on your word power, shemale. Given your knowledge of the word ‘mantra’, can you name even two or three Republicans that used the mantra ‘trickle down’?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        spinning away from the fact that TRICKLE DOWN is ONLY ( see: only) associated with republican policies?
        would U be happier with dogma? mantra is accurate as it is an OFTEN REPEATED phrase ( or formula) which can have associations with a purported truth
        dogma? probably too strong; but a fun application
        ====================================
        lowering taxes on ” job creators” worked really really really well during the past 20 yrs – eh?

      • Ivan Renko

        Mantra is only correct if you can show several people repeating something. You cannot.

        If you think you can, then please name them. Present your very first fact on this blog thread. What Republicans used ‘trickle down’ as a mantra?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        shall I ruin the party and mention Reagan budget director DAVID STOCKMAN? He mentioned it to journalist William Greider saying that ‘supply side ” is the same as trickle down—————–
        In the 1990’s the official recording of debates and proceedings -named “CONGRESSIONAL RECORD”. Indexes are issued approx. every 2 weeks; in the early 1990’s the term appeared occasionally.
        in 1992 senator Hank Brown (R- colorado) used it in a speech on the senate floor. Also in the 1992 presidential election Ross Perot called ” trickle down” political VOODOO
        ========================================
        do I really need to go on???
        YOU REALLY are easy to diminish– seriously!

      • Ivan Renko

        You’re saying nobody repeated it, then? Am I following you correctly?

        Stockman, once, alluded to it? Another Congressman. And a whack job Texan running against another Republican for Prediddnt, once?

        Are you conceding to me that no one used it as a mantra, not even those two Republicans? Or are you claiming those two allusions constitute ‘all Republicans used it as a mantra’?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        see????? I hit your spinning self with FACTS and U “move the goalposts” ( to quote my great friend IVAN the RENKO)
        ========================================
        lets do this:
        provide me with FACTS that show that repubs did NOT over use/ repeat “trickle down” as a repeated / loved verbal definitive usage
        ======================================
        NOTE: again U bleed a lie:
        where did I say ” all republicans use it as,,,,,,”?
        OOOOPS: IVAN; he ‘faw down an’ go BOOM again’
        =========================================
        lets get real here O pitiful erroneous crybaby:
        U ask for facts; I deliver and U spin.
        ======================================
        now,,,,,,,about those 20 yrs of repub ” job creation VS 14 democrat yrs of “job creation”
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that one U seem to gene Kelly dance away from!
        *************************************************
        and– we haven’t even opened the DEFICITS yearbook for review!!

      • Ivan Renko

        You’re actually a big proponent of trickle down yourself, shemale.

        Why else would you lower your own tax rate, simply by not paying what you owe?

        You hide income from the government, thinking you can better redeploy that money stole from them in the stock market.

        Trickle down doesn’t work for everyone else, but you think it’s perfectly fine for you.

        Idiot.

        No Republicans used it as a mantra, a claim you made but couldn’t show evidence of. It was never an economic theory advocated by any economist. It was always a misnomer attributed to certain economic ideas by Democrats who
        either willfully distorted or misunderstood the actual stated goals of Reagan’s economic policies.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        serious spinning away from the economic facts laid out BEFORE THEE; OH IVAN!!!
        oh,and the stated ‘goals’ of saint Reagans policies are withered by looking at the stated RESULTS of the Reagan policy failures( see: deficits/ bush 1/ bush 2 / wars/ huge debts/ crushed American economy circa 2007-08 ETC)
        ========================================== FACTS: republicans do NOT create JOBS by comparison to democrats- my listing of JOB CREATION PCT of all presidents since FDR proves this ( cry some now IVAN) and im awaiting your approval to review DEFICITS ( and surpluses) president-by-president as a % of GDP or per capita % or WHATEVER metric U care to discuss.
        WAIT!!! since U get blown out-of-the-water with those silly CBO and US Treasury facts ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, shouldn’t U be discussing my thesaurus and my daughters photo and my ability ( my accountant actually) to quell paying too much tax? Maybe how I don’t know anything about football/basketball/baseball/ Filipino pekiti tirsia kali???
        *********************************************************
        again; OH sniveling liar IVAN da RENKO—– can U show me ( your insipid claim) where I said ALL REPUBLICANS USE THE PHRASE “trickle down’???? NO??????
        ……….NO???????????????????
        —–geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee— Ivan ”shrugged”

      • Ivan Renko

        You said it was a Republican mantra, yet you failed to show any Republican having so much as repeated it. You’ve said it far more times on this very thread than any examples you could find of anyone using the phrase. The truth is, it’s YOUR mantra.

        It’s your mantra to mock it, but you employ it in your practice. You commit a felony in order to employ it. Talk about a fake person. You’re like the Ted Haggard of this blog.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        considering im up 562% since the bottom 6 yrs ago ( including todays massacre) Im gonna say Im loving whatever is causing it
        ======================================
        damn those taxes on capital gains!!!

      • Ivan Renko

        Heh. Funny, you keep repeating that you’re up 562%. You have been for quite a while, no matter what the stock market does, and no matter that more time has elapsed, magically, the total return you claim stays the same. If you can maintain that level, any money management firm would hire you in two seconds, and they’d pay up big money to get you. Yet you continue to make pastries. You’re not up that amount. You’re bs’ing. You started with a small amount and have added to it with income and factored that into a return percentage, and pretend you’ve outperformed all major equity indices by a factor of 4-5 times. Seriously, shemale, why not get paid handsomely for your expertise with other people’s money? Because no one’s going to pay you for your bullshitting abilities? Is that why?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        wrong again–I was up %573 asof last wk-b4the myriad of selloffs & LOWER highs- still inplay today-& with rolling over my positions have mitigated the’losses’ (paper)by selling under the money calls-thus Lowering cost avg.–RUSS up 83%asof Friday*(today) w my dec14.5 calls purchase
        =================================
        I paid just less than 25K ( also a write off) to go to AZ and Orlando for stock & option trading seminars ( J galway/ teach me to trade) Im certain U know NOTHING of naked puts/ covered calls/straddles/ ETC and that U do NOT have the capital 2 invest in anything OTHER than the computer needed so U can pollute these boorish threads
        =====================================
        “other peoples money”? naaaah– I would have to be as you: an indentured servant getting paid 9 taxes taken immediately) by a BOSS- as a BROKER ( not relevant anymore w internet trading accounts)which have the same schooling I paid for plus knowledge gathered by my “IAC” web based seminars regarding options/futures ETC strategies. Interactive Brokers offers FREE training to we who have a minimum of 50k in their accounts
        *********************************************************
        please note– selling calls infuses taxable income to an account-which U do not grasp regarding simple fundamentals. My 563%(asof right now) profit is accumulated ‘tick by tick’ in my account and its over 6 yrs; BIGGEST winners? TSLA ( re-entered today at 238.27; already up to 241.8 as I write),,,,RICK,,,,,BIDU,,,,,CHL,,,,,as well as holdovers AAPL ( plus dividend) and PCLN,, I gave up too early on FB and TWTR as well as NFLX but that trio did generate profits which I MUST pay taxes on next yr. LOST money on GOLD and FCEL gained me next to nothing holding it too long. Looking at going long on OIL futures but so far its falling faster than your Lusitania seating on this thread ( or titantic??)
        NOTE2- if NOTHING changed ( good luck with this volatile market) from now to dec 32 I would be responsible for roughly 18 K in taxes VIA capital gains (vs losses) and real estate rental income.
        hows that for patriotism?
        ( even with my ”shady” evasiveness!!)
        needed facts; crybaby??
        —read the above and weep–

      • Ivan Renko

        Sheem, I had a 7 figure net worth before I was in my mid-30’s. That means nothing to me now. I’ve been fortunate. Telling people that on an Internet forum means squat. I’ve spent my whole career in the investment business. Long enough to know guys like you who talk like you do are always full of shit, because if you could do on a consistent basis what you claim you’re doing, you wouldn’t be here yapping about it to people who don’t care, don’t deliver you, and can’t benefit you. You’re more interested in talking than doing. I know your type very well, sorry to say.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        of COURSE U were a millionaire!! that’s why U cannot even keep up with my rhetoric; and did U have anything to DISPROVE what I wrote regarding some of my position??? >>>NO<<<
        seems to me that your rancid ass bemoans a LACK of facts; then when presented with them U spin away into la la land of " oh I was this and……"
        consistent basis? I got KILLED in the late 90's and early 2000's to the tune of around 350K ( see: carryover 3k per year tax loss for next 2 decades) and only THEN did I pay the money to go to school(s) to avoid unscrupulous "brokers" (see: BROKE) and learn how to trade cogently.
        Cant benefit me? You provide the levity needed to break up some "L'ENNUI" thru the day for me- so do NOT "diss" yourself in such a way
        =======================================
        facts? U are swimming in them– do U need dates and entry points and exits and profit/loss sheets from my account? You would spin that as im a 12 yr old in an internet café who just broke in2 a doctors account online and pilfered his numbers
        ========================================
        now– shall we go over the FACTS about repub VS democrat JOB creations as I suggested on other threads??? Hmmm? maybe your infantile( ad erroneous) claims about football huddles? or your COMPLETE lack of prescience or ANY cognitive applications of a time/spatial continuum ( see: "NOW")? orthogonal twist intersections/ hexahedral elements?? NO?
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, seems maybe I can regress to your paltry plane by discussing my thesaurus rental?
        **********************************************************
        you really are fun to immobilize– " doing"

      • Ivan Renko

        shemale is the Jon Lovitz of this blog.

        Every blog has one.

        “So….yeah…..I’m a cogent trader….my returns are the best in the world…..that’s right…that’s me…….yeah, why, I know puts and calls…..and Tesla! Bought it before it was even formed……Yeah, that’s the ticket!!!”

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        seems like my above EASY2PROVE trade (today; one purchase; one option sale) has U irritated?
        ======================================
        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, da’ puddy cat: he faw down an’ go boom?

        (had to UPVOTE ya my brother!!)

      • Ivan Renko

        Notice how often you use the word ‘Seems’ at the beginning of one of your sentence fragments?

        With that one word, people on blogs can say just about anything.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        “seeeems ” that when a low IQ cretins such as you doesn’t like the facts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        he burrows in semantics.
        TRANSLATION: U need to do sumpin’ about the vertigo U must be feeling from incessant spinning
        ===============================-======
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about those 20 Reagan / bush / bush years of job creation VS the 14 yrs of Clinton/ Obama JOB CREATION,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        need numerical facts? lemme know
        ………… as soon as I garner the energy to break into another 12 yr olds computer at starbux

      • Ivan Renko

        Waiting on you to post facts, shemale. You keep talking about them, but you never post them.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        ok class— lets begin
        ==================================
        these facts ( see: FACTS) are from the FEDERAL RESERVE ECONOMIC DATABASE.– using average annual increase in months starting in the January in which each president took office. Im starting with FDR as (a) he is considered the 1st MODERN president as FDR brought USA into modern age socially/militarily and economically ( plus- why drag that nice HOOVER in with HIS bush-esque numbers??)
        ======================================
        FDR- 1933-37; 4.97%
        FRD 1937-41 2.53%
        FDR 1941-45 5.01%
        TRUMAN/fdr 1945-49 1.62%
        TRUMAN 1949-53 2.93%
        EISENHOWER 1953-57 1.34%
        EISENHOWER 1957-61 0.87%
        KENNEDY/Johnson 1961-65 2.64%
        JOHNSON 1965-69 3.90%
        NIXON 1969-73 2.38%
        Nixon/FORD 1973-77 1.29%
        CARTER 1977-81 3.06% (!!!)
        REAGAN 1981-85 1.43%
        REAGAN 1985-89 2.69%
        BUSH 1989-93 0.60%
        CLINTON 1993-97 2.53%
        CLINTON 1997-2001 2.24%
        BUSH 2001-05 (MINUS), -0.02% ( great!)
        BUSH 2005-2009 0.21%
        OBAMA 2009-2013 0.28%
        OBAMA 2013- 1.85%
        ===================================
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, other than the FACT that republicans do NOT create jobs and even CARTER created more jobs than any republican ( based upon PCT) Im willing to wager a TAX FREE dollar that democrat policies are ( see: here) much much better at JOB CREATION.
        . OH– and JOB participation is irrelevant as baby boomers are either retiring or –as I– becoming self employed and not in the official stats. We have a 3 to 1 ratio of job ENTRY VS job dropout the past 3 yrs ( again; check CBO facts before U cry) of American workers.
        ===================================
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about your aesthetically un-appealing daughters–

      • john silva

        Mr. Porn, just reading your rants give you away, you’re just too stupid to know it!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        now im ” mr porn”??? far out!!!
        ======================================
        could that be yet ANOTHER spin ( from thee) away from discussing those destructive republican federal policies in the past- say- 25 yrs??
        c’mon out & play with me!!! Ive got PLENTY of ” pornographic” economic numbers to harden the softest prick ( such as you and IVAN and all the other limp crybabies),,,,,,,, lets play!
        ********************************************************
        whatzzzz a matta’…………….. U don’t LIKE discussing CBO and US treasury FACTS about the economy??

      • john silva

        Is this guy for real? Man are you sure you’re not selling used cars?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        hey john,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, still evading our ( you and me little crybaby) discussing FACTS such as : job creation over past 75 yrs- dem VS repub presidential administration? DEFICITS ( and surpluses) and spending looking at democrats VS republican administrations??
        ==========================================
        now we are attempting aspersions ” used car salesmen”?
        seems your wounds are getting more severe here-
        ………..try tincture of methiolate–

      • john silva

        Bravo!

      • Ivan Renko

        I think he thinks he’s going to market his trading system to some of us here based on his always staying at a 562% total return in both up and down markets. ‘Shemale Trading Analytics’. Signed personally by him and his ‘girlfriend’. With toll-free personal hotlines and everything.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        557.75% as of todays debacle; TSLA showing a marked downturn ( much to my chagrin even with selling covered calls last week!!),,,,,,,,good news? GOLD rebounding and oil continuing selloff ( Im short since it hit 97.22 a barrel)
        ======================================
        awww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, IVAN the neutered has no lady friend??
        QUEEN song ( from JAZZ 2:3) ” jealousy” blaring in your (?) honor
        =====================================
        girlfriend? she lives with me– a weeeee bit more than a girlfriend
        ———————————————————-
        tell us; O IVAN– tell us about your success with flatchested overweight women-and the subsequent “trickle down” of that combination of sub-human genetics-
        …………….regale us in that glorious spawn!

      • Ivan Renko

        Somehow, the guy who brags about being very good at lying to the government on his taxes, thinks people here are going to believe his investment returns.

        Heh.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        covered my calls against TSLA today; now own 300 outright at avg cost of 222.28. will review tomorrow as selling novermber calls is pretty far out and so far and the oct 240s were DOWN today via time decay- could nibble on that if TSLA opens lower tomorrow
        =======================================
        stay tuned.
        FCEL did me right today- 2 day double bottom at ( approx.) 1.55,,,,,,,,,,,,,, jumped all over it 2day at 1.58- due for rally
        *******************************************************
        bragging about it?? naaaah- only thing I might ” brag” about is maybe that ive been fortunate (?) with women; and I can shoot baskets with either hand . NO ONE beats me at “H.O.R.S.E.” because no one can shoot with both hands-
        >>>>>>>>>>>>c’ept IVAN the RENKO

      • Ivan Renko

        Nobody cares, shemale. You’re an admitted fabricator. You take pride in that ability, even.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        thy pulse is weakening
        ===================================
        shall I infuse adrenalin and alter topic to cowboys still needing 2 beat philly BEFORE bandwagon-jump is complete?
        *******************************************************
        oh,,,,,,,,,,,,,to throw U a well deserved bone-
        here is answer to my baseball riddle which U didn’t even try 2 touch:
        remember?
        ===================================
        IP,,,,,,,,,H,,,,,,,,,R,,,,,,,,ER,,,,,,,,,,
        1/3……….7………0……….0……….
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        now; b4 I release the answer; do U remember this laconic baseball quiz ? ( how is it possible?)

      • cravin moorehead

        Bush CRASHED the stock market. Was that good or bad?

        Tool.

      • Ivan Renko

        No, he didn’t crash the stick market. He was president when the stock market crashed. Dems see in control of the House and Senate when it crashed. Dems didn’t crash the stick market. A lot of factors went into it, but neither party crashed it. Unless you’re blaming Bush for not cancelling out legislation Inyon signed off on allowing all sorts of things that let banks get away with inordinate amounts of leverage and risk to the Anerican taxpayer. Guessing you’re not going there, though, right?

      • Steve Brains

        We Need a weekly National strike. EVERY ONE, EVERYWHERE, EVERY WEDNESDAY.

      • strayaway

        I wouldn’t blame you grandchilren. After all, Bush left the $5T of debt and Obama, so far has left them with $7.8T of debt. That’s a total of $12.8T of debt which , divided among 314M Americans = An average of $40,764/American. It will all fall on the younger generation. For a family of five that amount of debt is enough to buy a house in most places but Bush and Obama bought us wars and paid off bankers instead.

        “One of the first things I’ll do as President will be to call the Prime Minister of Canada and the
        President of Mexico and work with them to fix NAFTA.” -Senator Obama 2008

        Instead, President Obama signed additional trade agreements with Colombia, Panama, and South Korea and is promoting the fast track passage of the Trans Pacific Partnership.

        You might be surprised at whom your grandchildren blame for the loss of jobs, job competition, and the debt they have been handed.

        Meanwhile President Obama has signed

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        ask IVAN the RENKO to compare job creation of 20 yrs of Reagan / bush 1/ bush 2 VS. 14 yrs of Clinton and Obama,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        he will enjoy those compiled numbers
        =====================================
        then; impale him with deficits( spending ) and surpluses with those presidents
        =====================================
        put in the AAA cell battery; and watch him spin

      • john silva

        I don’t believe Boehner blocked all those “shovel ready jobs”

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        so- how many that he has blocked would endear U to him?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        well; I can say this– if (“IF”) the regressives take control of senate as u predict; I will be here to say WOW!! ( and 2 see what the repubs can do FOR America)
        ============================================
        if the status quo remains– or if dems assume more seats-
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,I wonder if the rightwing practitioners we love on these liberal sites will fess up to being wrong??
        stay tuned America,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and lets listen to Karl Rove: he has a cute ‘blackboard’

    • Mark Grenoble

      First regarding those who vote against their ” best interests”. I will vote for what is best for my country first. Even if that means that is not necessarily what is best for me. It is called patriotism. I am sure you cannot understand that. Second there are more “rich” Democrats than Republicans in congress and in the United States. A little honest research would show you that if you looked. But then the truth is something most Liberals cannot stand. Check and see who took more corporate donations in the last Presidential election. Look at how much money superpacks and how many of the super rich donated more money than the Koch brothers. Now give me how you hate the 1% but it is ok that the stock market under Obama is the only part of the economy growing. Complete and udder hypocrites

      • Ryan

        Just as you are entitled to your opinion, I am to mine. That doesn’t mean I am less patriotic though. There are a lot of rich democrats out there, for sure. Most politicians, from either side of the aisle come from wealthy families. But one thing I would point out to you is look at which party collects mostly from the oil companies. Look at who gets support from the NRA and the military-industry. I think the ace in the hole example is Dick Cheney. He worked for Haliburton before becoming VP in 2000. Then within a year, the US was embroiled in two costly oversea wars and writing blank checks. Not to mention the well funded right wing political think tanks whose funding can be directly linked to corporations. Including the Koch brothers, but also conglomerates like Comcast, who own MSN. The point is, corporations and capital benefit from right wing policies, people and workers, not so much. Unless you still think Trickle-down is a thing, which I can assure you, it’s not.

      • john silva

        1 word for you. Misguided.

      • Jeff Z

        Neo-fascists percolate non stop now Comcast kocks yup

      • Jeff Z

        Condy rice look up her dress, i mean ick iwwouldn’t do that,she has history in oil, no? Had to trust her too, right?

      • Cooper

        “udder” hypocrites? Damn, those cows simply can’t be trusted.

      • Sharon Mills

        Utter hypocrites. “Udder” is the part of a cow you milk, Mr. Smarty Pants.

      • Kenneth Browning

        Because the Koch’s hide their contributions by giving to PAC’s which is reported the same.

      • AmianteTarvoke

        All politicians who reasonably expect to get elected know that they must play the game and raise campaign funds; that is the sad system that we have. But Liberals are the ones who are trying to fix that system, and Conservatives are the ones who keep making it worse. Citizens United makes this very clear. After the conservative Supreme Court judges opened the floodgates of political spending, declaring that corporations are people and that money is free speech, we got to see who the real hypocrites are. All of the Democrats voted to overturn Citizens United and start to get money out of politics, and all of the Republicans voted to keep the corruption in place. Actions speak louder than words.

        Who thinks it’s good that the stock market has the only growth? Nobody! Liberals want the lower and middle class to succeed; the GOP’s policies benefit no one but the 1%. That is not the definition of “hate.”

      • Jeff Z

        Its the neo- fascist laws the gop composes that matters ..poor losers are the gop, money yes too but gop is now a dangerous neo fascist cyst in our nation, oh yeah they are mostly evangelical, stuborn know it alls… no reasoning with then. . Simple … so we will give up on real civil rights. .. gpt another thing coming

  • Pipercat

    Selling books sure makes odd bedfellows.

  • Lesly Weiner

    Why are we still talking about this????

    • Macdoodle

      Because Obama and everyone else lied about it for two weeks.The issue is not so much that Benghazi happened, it is the fact that the administration refused to acknowledge that it was a planned attack even though they knew it was because of the upcoming election.

      • tcaruso01

        Amazing how you know so much despite months and months of investigations that clearly demonstrated that nothing that you’ve said is true!!

      • Steve Brains

        He’s FOX’s SOURCE!!!!

      • Steve Brains

        doodledork. DEPORTATION is about his Birthplace.

        You ignorant Benghazi drugged foolish nincompoopyfaced excrement.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        ummmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,
        did U get the FOX “news” Benghazi Tshirt I sent u?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        so—( correct me if I err here)—-
        Obama calling it an ” act of terror” THE NEXT DAY is refusing 2 acknowledge it as planned?

  • Troy Pettibon

    Ivan, do you have a job? Or is your job just trolling this website. I swear. ANY author on the website could make the statement “THE SKY IS BLUE” and you would argue the point. Go back to your conservative websites and you and the rest of your buddies can hate on the president and jerk each other off

    • Ivan Renko

      I don’t post on conservative websites. I read them and their comments, but most of the ones I follow know far more than I do and I feel as if I’m not worthy or that my opinions and observations aren’t much at all additive. If you disagree with me here, by all means, feel free to ignore. I won’t be offended.

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      you should see the spinning I have forced him into–
      IVAN the RENKO is indeed precious! do NOT scare him away– we need him as quotidian court jester
      =================================================
      ask him about job creation over past 30 yrs or deficits( and surplus) comparing repub VS democrat and see him spin like the Tasmanian devil!

  • Adam

    It seems this site has too much love for Obama. I am extremely progressive, but Obama has totally abandoned us. He gives in to republican demands and not done the things he promised us. I think he has done a garbage job with his opportunity as president, But for different reasons than what republicans say. He just simply has not enough for me to get behind him any more.

    • tcaruso01

      So, please explain how Obama has abandoned you! Would you have preferred that R’money became president? Do you think that his “garbage job” hasn’t had anything to do with the two least productive Congresses in US history! I’m also a Progressive and your apathy for the state of the affairs in this country is appalling!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        That’s called Congress doing it’s job. The fact that it hasn’t been productive falls on the executive branch. Period. If Romney were president EVERYONE’S lives would be better and maybe gays wouldn’t be allowed to marry. Big deal.

      • tcaruso01

        Your comment is laughable! Were you born homophobic or did some failed father figure beat it into you? The lack of productivity of Congress falls of the executive branch? Do you believe this garbage that you are spewing or do you post such nonsense just for kicks? ROTFLMAO at your inanity!!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        All you do is ad hominem. You’re an idiot.

      • tcaruso01

        Ad hominem? Maybe if you had something relevant, pertinent, or intelligent to say it would be a different situation! Maybe gays wouldn’t be allowed to marry? And you called me a homophobe? You are delusional & your inanity is complete!!!

  • Steve Brains

    IN My mind, this is more than journalistic corruption. This is Fraud for PROFIT. By chronic deception, Fixed News Broadcasting SELLS Advertising and creates revenue. They are selling you the Brooklyn Bridge and oceanfront property in Arizona. People do jail time for that.

    WHY is this Corporation being allowed commit blatant, ritual and habitual CRIMES with impunity?

    I BLAME OBAMA for this!!! He consented to a crap interview with a known criminal propagandist, then didn’t man up and shove it RIGHT BACK IN BILLO’s FACE?

    If President, I would have mandated that news networks MUST tell the whole truth of a story, or NOT be called news. I would have made a VERY public point of having the DOJ conduct an investigation into NewsCorp (and the other networks) for criminal activity. VERY SPECIFICALLY FRAUD. The FCC should have been monitoring the frauds called newS AND SUSPENDING LICENSES.

    Why not? Because obama was trying to play nice with terrorists. Isn’t aiding and abetting Terrorists accomplished by degrading and destroying the public image of LEADER OF THE NATION?

    We don’t need mass censorship. Just Need to kick the barking mutts in the teeth on a regular basis.

    (No animals were harmed in the production of this reply)

    • Pipercat

      In response to your second paragraph, probably because it’s in the entertainment division…

      • Steve Brains

        Then it’s FRAUD anyway, FALSE advertising on every frame of every segment of every show. The CALL them selves on every sigh and logo:
        FOX NEWS.

      • Pipercat

        Tricky little buggers ol’e Rog and Rup. Get into a pickle and just call it satire…

      • Steve Brains

        They have Federal legal precedent from a Republican judge in Florida.

        I think NO ONE should be allowed to run or be appointed for judge who has had any party affiliation in the last decade. Voter registration doesn’t count.

      • Pipercat

        Well, this is Florida after all. Apparently shit does flow uphill…

      • Steve Brains

        Where else can it possibly GO?

      • Steve Brains

        But they should HAVE t disclose this and NOT label it News and get away with it. It’s the Daily SHOW, with jon Stewart.

        These guys call it Fucked NEWS.

      • Pipercat

        Are you mad? That would blow their cover!!!

    • tallron

      Are you saying the sheep you penetrate nightly are not harmed, that they like it?

      • Steve Brains

        I was gonna ask how you liked the New Implant. Did you like how I can make it thicker and thicker until you bleed?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        hey tallron,,,,,,,,,,,,, allow me to ask:
        what EXACTLY are ” conservatives” ( see: regressives) conserving?
        ====================================
        be specific

    • tcaruso01

      You blame Obama for Cluster-Fox’s programming? REALLY? Cluster-Fox is registered with the FCC as an entertainment organization not a news one! It’s how they get away with manipulating stories, telling lies without retractions or the possibility of being sued for slander or defamation, and they registered with the FCC long before Obama took office! Obama being on Bill O’Reilly is equivalent to his appearance on The View!!

      • Steve Brains

        And those regulations are written by the FCC and it’s Director is a BUSH appointee. It’s ALSO President Obama’s responsibility to REPLACE administration officials who allow the airwaves to be polluted. Or to be used for SEDITIOUS purposes.

        Please read My comment over and over until you UNDERSTAND that if The President had had joe Wilson come up to the podium, put his arm around him and said, “Please Congressman, you will never have a more public moment than tonight, I assure you. YOu have the floor sir, PLEEEEEAAAASSSEE explain to ALL the Americans listening tonight EXACTLY what you meant.

        And just stood there until he COMPLETELY divulged his race hate with the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT’S ARM AROUND HIS SHOULDER. Then when he dismissed Wilson like a 5 year old who took a cookie before dinner and then said, “Ladies and gentleman, I know what many of you think of Me, but not so many American citizens share your personal feelings. But whatever it is you are thinking, I want you to remember Me as John Wayne toilet paper. I am rougher and tougher than you think, and will NOT TAKE ANY CRAP OFF OF NOBODY!”

        Then, when the ovation ceased and the hand bandages were all passed out to staunch the bleeding on all the palms… Mr President would have just calmly picked up his speech on the exact word he left off.

        Maybe better yet, Start from the first words and make the Repimplicans suffer their national shaming a little longer.

      • tcaruso01

        Even if the president were to appoint another FCC chair, don’t see how that would help! Can you imagine the outrage of Cluster-Fox and its viewership if a new chair appointed by Obama were to suddenly come down on them? And since they are registered as an entertainment organization with no obligations to tell the truth, I don’t see how a chair could inflict any damage to them! To those of us who know better, we know what Cluster-Fox represents and the garbage that they peddle! Besides, if they did shut it down, where would Comedy Central get all their material for The Daily Show & The Colbert Report!! Some people will consciously stick their heads in the sand no matter what amount of facts and statistics you show them!!

      • Steve Brains

        THEY FRAUDULENTLY call themselves news. The Director could mandate how much truth they need to use to be labeled NEWS, information, current events or such and mandate that a certain level of truth be corroborated to get ABOVE the level of :

        Fox Fiction Report! They have to be completely true 50% of the time in My book to get past that LEGAL requirement.

      • Ivan Renko

        Brains, how many hours a day do you watch Fox News?

      • Steve Brains

        maybe 3 a week. I only stole so many barf bags from the plane.

      • Ivan Renko

        That’s like getting drunk knowing you’re going to throw up, yet you keep doing it. And complain about it.

        You keep getting what you what you’ve always been getting. Is it because you don’t want to miss out on these bitch parades without being prepared?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        ^^^^^ hey— wanna have some fun? ^^^^ ask IVAN the RENKO to provide FACTS and watch him either spin like a ballerina to another topic or simply NOT REPLY!

      • john silva

        Scumbag? Well mister shemale porn, Ivan pretty much shut you down!! Now go get your shine box!!!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        would that be my being ” shut down” by IVAN not responding to CBO facts,,,,,,or my being ” shut down” by IVAN claiming I am a 12 yr ol at an internet café hacking someone elses computer….or my being shut down by IVAN the RENKO not replying to my asking him to prove how ‘ dangerous” it is to place photos on this site? PRAISE JEEEEESUS!
        =========================================
        please note–
        Im totototally enjoying U avoiding answering MY questions and “hiding” behind IVAN the RENKO as U are even weaker in discussing CBO and US treasury FACTS pertaining to GOP VS democrat policies over past 25 yrs.
        ……………. now; about your brand new eponymous FOX “news” show staring this autumn,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • tcaruso01

        That would be nice! Probably just wishful thinking at this point! Their sponsors and their crazed followers would freak out!!

      • Steve Brains

        Wouldn’t that be orgasmic!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        No upvote. Shame.

      • tcaruso01

        WTF are you talking about??

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        You know what I’m talking about sycophant.

      • tcaruso01

        Sycophant? ROTFLMAO!!!!! You’ve mistaken yourself as being someone who is important!! Once again your comment is meaningless and asinine!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        I’m afraid you have our roles reversed.

      • tcaruso01

        I’m afraid you are delusional and misinformed!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        Some people will bury their heads in statistics while their house burns down around them. Democrats = division(of the people), backed by garbage maths that are easily manipulated..

      • tcaruso01

        “maths”? Democrats are divisional? ROTFLMAO at your continued inanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        Racist homophobe.

      • tcaruso01

        I’m a racist homophone because I called you out on using the word “maths”? ROTFLMAO at your inanity!!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        No, you’re a racist homophobe because I say you are. Also a complete tool.

      • tcaruso01

        I can’t be a racist homophobe…I’m not a Republican like you are!! Isn’t that one of the GOTP’s party platforms? If you are part of the GOTP, you have to be anti-same sex marriage and anti-immigrant!! If you are neither of those things yet still consider yourself to be a GOTPer, then you aren’t only delusional but also a fool!! But that seems to be self-evident anyway, so good luck with all of that…DUMBASS!!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        I went though my comments and I never said I was a repub. Nice try. Fool. You can’t cope with a reality that you can’t label. Get used to it. It’s gonna slap you in the face before you know it.

      • tcaruso01

        Republican? Libertarian? Tea Bagger? It doesn’t matter!! I read your comments too, and I can tell from your them just how inane and uninformed you are! You add absolutely nothing relevant to the conversation, but you keep making your snide, ignorant, useless comments while the rest of us adults tackle the real issues and have real discussions about those issues! You are inappropriate and completely irrelevant!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        I think you have our roles confused again. I can call you names all day but I’d rather endure your idiotic, label-obsessed, ramblings. Fag.

      • tcaruso01

        Label-obsessed? Sorry but that would be you from your first comment until now! That’s all you do!! Inappropriate, irrelevant, uninformed, snide, ignorant,& useless are not labeling but instead precise descriptions of your comments! How are those labels? Your reading comprehension skills are just as pitiful as your reasoning ability! You really have no idea what you are talking about do you? You had the nerve to previously call me homophobic, yet you just used the term “fag”? Were you born this inane or did some failed father figure beat it into you as a child? Irrelevant was too soft of a word choice to describe you! Your very existence is also immaterial, insignificant, and pointless!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        ” Your very existence is also immaterial, insignificant, and pointless!!” Couldn’t have said it better you racist piece of trash. I hope you get the clap from your sister you inbred freak.

      • tcaruso01

        More labeling and name calling…so sad! I really feel empathy for some people like yourself who have experienced such a pathetic, hard, and sad life that they have nothing better to do than behave in such a nasty, malicious, venomous way! I realize that you weren’t born such a hateful, spiteful, and abusive person and had to have learned it either from watching someone be abusive or had it done to you as a child! Please…seek professional help before you hurt yourself or worse yet someone close to you who mistakenly thinks that you are mentally stable! It’s never too late to change and actually contribute something purposeful and worthwhile to the human race if you are willing to try!! Good luck…you have a long road ahead of you!!

      • Steve Brains

        The ladies of the View have enough integrity to show the whole clip or none of it.

    • john silva

      Are you replying to NBC doctoring the George Zimmerman photo? trying to incite racism? How about the NBC Talking head Al Sharpton, inciting riots in Furguson, is that what you’re talking about?

      • Steve Brains

        How did Brother Al DO that exactly? He wasn’t there until the 3rd Day.

      • Steve Brains

        YOu can’t incite what is already in progress!!

  • Anthonij

    Fox is on the level of the North Korean news… pure propaganda… and the people in this country that get their news from Fox are imbeciles…

    • Mark Grenoble

      Nothing like one person saying all the rest of the world is crazy. Same effect here. There is a reason now that FOX carries more viewers than all its competition combined. It is the only one with the courage to question the administration unlike its counter parts who are nothing but cheerleaders for the sheep. Yep they are all imbeciles and you are the only smart one.

      • Anthonij

        You don’t seem to be able to read very well. I didn’t claim to be “the only smart one” nor did I claim that the “rest of the world is crazy.” I said I believe those who watch Fox news are imbeciles — that’s not the rest of the world, just a large and stupid part of the population of the US. Judging from the responses I see on boards like this from people defending Fox News, well, I’d say they are indeed imbeciles.

      • tcaruso01

        It’s not even a legitimate news organization! It’s owners registered it with the FCC as an entertainment organization to avoid issuing retractions when their on-air personalties lie or being sued for slander or defamation for said lies! They admitted it in open court!! And investigation was recently into all the major “news” networks accuracy in reporting stories within the last 5-10 years and Cluster-Fox scored a whopping 18% accuracy rating!! What does that tell you about the “information” that watchers like yourself have at your disposal? It’s a sad commentary on this country that Cluster-Fox has such high ratings, but a lot of that can be contributed to the number of comedians and comedy writers that need to watch to get all their material!! Plus, Jersey Shore was once one of the highest rated cable shows, so their goes your ratings argument!!

      • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

        Nothing like the lies that come from DC though. THEY actually hurt Americans. Who gives a crap about Fox except for tin-foil hat wearing progressives?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        hey Einstein:
        McDonalds serves more people than anyone else
        ===========================================
        shall we combine their nutritive ‘value’ with the cumulative ‘ value’ give by FOX “news”?
        or,,,,,,,,,,,,, is that a silly analogy? comparing the biggest with the biggest?

      • Ivan Renko

        It’s a stupid analogy, shemale. But liberal blogs will never stop repeating it. At this point, yours and this blog’s obsession with with Fox could only be explained in terms of your jealousy and envy. The fact is, you watch it every day no matter what you think of its ‘nutritive value’. Even if it’s just to fantasize about what Kimberly Guilfoyle’s cup size is, like you admit you do with your daughter’s, you will watch it.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        that,,,, my good friend IVAN– is some REGAL spinning even for YOU!!
        ” stupid analogy” as u don’t like it
        jealous and envy? with what exactly? ,,,and as I don’t NEED to “fantasize ” about ANY womans chest –ive entered over 300 women – all willingly and sans alcohol– I would venture to bet that you don’t even have what it takes to enter 30-
        but hey– U still can eschew facts when U need to!
        =======================================
        sorry your flatchested/overweight daughters are so un-fantastic. Crappy genes are NOT their fault; eh?

      • john silva

        Your up 562% entered 300 women? my, my, you just keep throwing numbers out there without a shred of proof. After that last comment, I wholeheartedly agree with Ivan, You’re a bullshitter (not to mention in love with yourself) scumbag, trash, regressive.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        hey loser——– go ahead and re read my posts to your small dicked loser boyfriend IVAN the RENKO in which I provided names and numbers and dates as to where and what I have purchased along with some losses I have incurred
        ====================================
        300 women? yep– let me shed some insight on your pathetic jealous ass: since 1988 I have worked in the south florida adult strip club business– as an independent contractor leasing/subcontracting kitchens ( Im a self employed chef ; LLC since 1991) and I will change my profile photo so U can see how disgusting I look; adding that im 6’2 1/2 210 lbs and no drugs/ no drinking/ no tattoos and waaay too much energy as a single guy.
        ==================================
        macromastial gracile strippers?? YEAH baybee,,,,,,,,,,,,, total mental cases but OHSO willing to exchange bodily fluids with a man who they find ” revolting” such as MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
        =====================================
        now; we can banter about ” proof” but I will simply say:
        your jealousy is noteworthy- keep crying and now maybe U can mock my having to have ” had” so much unrequited sex???
        praise jeeeeeeeesus!

      • john silva

        Yeah, that picture sums it up, bullshitter. When was that taken the 80s (the hair). Adult strippers, wow I’m impressed, very reputable, and a chef, wow, I’m totally jealous. I figured, play you out long enough and you would reveal yourself (not to mention how “hot” you think you are) “macromastial gracile strippers total mental cases Yeah baby?” Totally jealous now! I bet that’s really fulfilling. When you said mental cases, you were including yourself right? Yeah, well you believe in Jesus also I see, Man you are just a unbeatable stud.. Have you ever thought of a 12 step program? might want to check into it.

      • john silva

        Wow, Adult stripper business, very impressive and reputable. I’m jealous now! Macromaistial gracile strippers? do you actually talk like that? total mental cases? that was including yourself in that statement right? These women must be very fulfilling for you. Great picture! when was that taken the 80s (the hair) so, here’s what we know, you’re full of shit, you’re in love with yourself, you get on here trying to impress people when actually you’re sitting in a used car lot trying to sell a car that is if you work at all.. Mr. Renko pegged you a long time ago. I figured I’d play you out a little, and, you revealed yourself. Ever thought of a 12 step program? it’s the first step in getting better!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        awww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, U don’t like where I do my “bidness”???
        hey Einstein: (a) photo from 2008 …..here is me in august vacationing in Arizona — notice the LONGER hair and the physical condition I am in– (b) I have made over 80K in 22 of the 25 yrs since first self employed ( 1989) and over 120K in 6 of those years. IVAN is mad at me as its the CASH part of my income; thus easy to avoid taxation ( see: cash is king) and Im willing to wager YOUR pathetic ass is employed by someone else- thus U are indentured as a serf.
        work at all? only for myself.
        ( oh; and U misspelled macromastial) and yes- im a TOTOTOTAL mental case- tats one reason I am successful socially and financially
        ——————————————————–
        why on earth would I want 2 be as “well balanced” as eunuchs such as you and IVAN?
        enjoy my pic– maybe I will place on up of my current lady– :))

      • john silva

        Yawn! do you think I actually care? yes, I work for somebody else, I’m in radiology. Do women actually go out with you? I mean, you’re in love with yourself, a narcissist, conceded. not very attractive features, oh yeah, they’re all nut cases, I believe it. You know if any of this were true you wouldn’t be bragging about it, unless you’re trying to prove it to yourself. You know I could probably refer you to a physiatrist.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        love love love having your pathetic ass crying now!! on a ‘political’ discussive blog U are crying about me !!! You regressives are so easy to manipulate!!
        =======================================
        radiology eh? shall we ” examine” all of those successful republican federal policies over the past 25 yrs; and the subsequent destruction placed upon ALL americans?

      • john silva

        Mr. Renko, shemale finally revealed himself, do yourself a favor and check it out, just scroll down a little. you pegged him.

      • john silva

        checkout his picture also, I think he sells used cars!

  • Mark Grenoble

    Obama, Rice, Clinton spent weeks claiming that is was a spontaneous attack as a result of a protest from a video. Weeks, all the time knowing it was not. Obama’s one sideways remark about not responding to terror was not directed in any way to Benghazi but a general reference to terror. Now you are trying to twist it that he was speaking about Benghazi when he even said on the view days later he did not know yet. Truth is they lied, they know they lied, and those who dispute this are lying also. The statement no stand down order was given has been proven false by the very men who actually fought there. but then sheep will believe their anointed one over three men who alone stood, fought, and saved at least 20 people. Shameless cowards. I will take the word of the people with the courage to stand rather than a pack of shameless politicians that have never fought anything tougher than an election in their lives. This is why FOX news has now three times the ratings and viewers of any of the main stream media. They are the only ones that will investigate and question this administration. The rest are no longer journalists but cheerleaders providing comfort for the sheep.

  • Mark

    O’Reilly asked the President- five times- if Secretary PANETTA told him Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Four times the president reworded his response to avoid answering. On the fifth try, he again deflected by stating that he, the President, generally defined the act as terror and said so the next day, completely irrelevant to the question. Five times he tapdanced around the question and never admitted Panetta told him terrorists were involved. Fast forward a few months and O’Reilly drags the opposite story out of Panetta. This in the context of the public story that some regular folks were upset about an internet video, brought their mortars and rocket propelled grenades, and attacked a US Embassy on 9/11/12.

  • tallron

    Another f%ucking lefty loon site whines, what’s new there?

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      ^^^^^ hey lookie above^^^^!!!!! another white trash regressive troll here to attempt annoyance!!
      lets give him a well-deserved round of derisive applause!!

  • Allyx Kelley

    I’m so tired of this “Most Republican’s won’t do this, or won’t do that…” and “Most Democrats won’t do this, or won’t do that…” Stop generalizing, people!

  • Sandy Greer

    We get our hate on for Fox News because we have contempt for the American public. We believe they see no further than Fox News, and vote the way Fox News says. We say they are uninformed, and vote against their own best interests.

    Middle America sees our contempt, and is repelled by it. Because the Truth
    is:

    Most of us get our news from a variety of sources. We filter it, and we decide for ourselves what we believe. And when we vote – It’s just us, our ballot, and our conscience we look at.

  • tcaruso01

    WOW…all the Cluster-Fox supporting trolls are out in full force today! A story is published that Bill O’Reilly and the editors lied and the call went out for their Ailes/Murdochian lobotomy patients to defend the asylum!! Just laughable!!!

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, November looms frighteningly for them; so they are carving pumpkins and wearing their ghoulies outfits
      =================================================
      they are fun to destroy– especially with CBO and US treasury-backed socio-economic facts

      • Ivan Renko

        I just went through the comments section here. Do you realize that you haven’t posted one fact yet, shemale? Seriously, not one single fact.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        excellent!!!
        shall we start with JOB creation comparison with YOU having Reagan and the dual bush legacies 20 yrs VS me having the 14 yrs of Clinton and Obama?
        ====================================
        lay some numerical CBO facts on me brother IVAN,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and remember: U have a nice fat 10 to 7 ratio advantage over me!
        lay them on me–

      • Ivan Renko

        Still no facts from you. Yet you keep referring to yourself as somehow having presented them.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        again,,,,,,,,,,,,, IVAN the RENKO doesn’t like extrapolation when IVAN will be garnering the ‘silver medal” in the conversation.
        ========================================
        don’t like ” job creation”?
        ok,,,,,,lets play ” deficits and surpluses”; shall we?
        **************************************************************
        lead off with a home run; rickey Henderson!

  • Bud

    Fox News is the definition of unethical journalism.

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      it is ethical if U are a Caucasian religious regressive crybaby

      • john silva

        Wow, you seem to be very upset? Do you think you’re clever with the shemale name? You seem not able to comment on 39% of the people supporting the president. Oh yes, I’m from California, you must have been referring to, Gray Davis. Yes the land of the liberal where you can walk into a public building in San Francisco, naked, Is that what you mean by progressive? thought so!

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        love how U MIS direct your replies away from the initial message/post! very republican/regressive-esque!!!
        progressive California: where that liberal socialist secular communinst Kenyan DEMOCRAT governor has CALIFORNIA with a SURPLUS instead of a deficit. YEP– that’s some naked facts for U crybabies to avoid ; aint it??
        *******************************************************
        I also LUV the pseudonymic “GUEST” upvotes U regressives give yourselves ( as yourself I imagine)
        ********************************************************
        GIAN KEYS is a california (LA) unemployed charlatan crybaby who seems to have a taste for the erstwhile “shemale” porn; thus My tribute using his photo and name –in complete honor of COURSE!
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so: Im flattered U enjoy the ostensible cleverness by mocking him– as I do all UN educated regressive crybabies such as you and he
        ====================================
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about that JOB creation “repub VS Democrat” stuff I blasted U– and IVAN the RENKO — with……

      • john silva

        Nobodys hiding from anything, except you with that name and picture, I’m thinking your a nut case. Do you really think this guy cares what you think? what he do steal your girlfriend? one of the 300 you’ve penetrated, maybe you’re into boys, who knows? If you want to call flipping burgers and part time jobs helping the economy, go for it. Mr. Renko was right on the money and pretty much cleaned your clock, and spotted you as a bullshitter. The polls prove the American people are tired of Obamas and the Democrat parties incompetence, Everything he’s touched has gone awry, as they say ” he’s leading from behind” if he’s paying attention at all. Tell me something do you think the govt. did 911? just curious. Well Mr. uneducated regressive why are you hiding behind that picture and name?

  • Harry Sachels

    Panetta, if he’s the study I think he is, should have known anyway that Obama indeed used the term. Surly Leon watched O-Liely’s interview?
    Where’s Candy Crowly when you need her?

  • Emma Duncan

    Okay, Media Matters once again catches fox, being dishonest, so stand by for the usual suspects to start slamming media matters

    • john silva

      Media Matters, is behind trying to get Rush Limbaugh,off the air, by using fake twitter accounts, and threatening his sponsors with 10 people accounting for 70% of the tweets. Seems like you Libs are really, really, bugged by us conservatives, you’ve got a corrupt MSM covering for Obama, and you’re still not happy!! Cause you never are!

  • BluelineMike

    Fuq Fox

  • Larry Franz

    This is to Allen Clifton, the author of this article….Did someone say “Critical Thinking”. I’d like to give that a go. Disclaimer: I’m not an Obama fan, and I do watch Fox News. I know for some of you that’s an oxymoron, but hear me out before you judge too quickly.
    For example, I actually listened to Obama’s speech to the UN. I thought it was a nice speech. Fox’s coverage of it was awful. It was obvious that they had people assigned to look for every little supposed flaw they could find, and make a huge deal out of it. They had to put the worst interpretation on things to make it work. These “flaws” were discussed for days.
    On the other hand, I’ve also seen liberal websites that do the same thing. I know because liberal friends send links to me. I used to argue with them about these links, but in the end I just find another liberal website that isn’t so inflamatory and send them back a link to that. When I see perjorative words, like “O’Reilly butts in”, my bias radar goes up.
    Why is O’Reilly asking Obama whether Penetta said it was a terrorist attack or not? The point of the question is whether a group of terrorists (Al Queda, Hezbella, or whoever) planned this attack, or whether it was a spontaneous demonstration that turned into a riot. This had implications for whether the attack could have been prevented, and implications for the upcoming election.
    Very specifically, O’Reilly asks: “Did he tell you, secretary Penetta, it was a terrorist attack?”

    Obama’s possible responses?

    1) Why, yes he did, Bill.

    2) No, he never mentioned it.

    3) I don’t remember.

    4) Some type of dodge.

    Now, if I was running the most transparent administration in history, I would have answered 1 or 2, or possibly 3 if I was that stupid. Instead, Obama choose 4. A typical dodge is to implicity restate the question in terms you’d like to answer, which is what Obama did by leaving out the word terror, which was the point of the question.
    So, O’Reilly, whatever you think of him, is a seasoned reporter who recognizes a dodge, so he asks. “He didn’t tell you, He didn’t use the word terror?”
    Another chance for Obama to say yes or no. He tries choice #3, by saying that he was more concerned with the situation, implying that he was too preoccupied with other things to notice. Now, if you’re concerned with the people on the ground, wouldn’t it be good to know if they’re being attacked with RPG’s or pitchforks? How could that not be an essential part of your understanding of the situation? How could you not notice or remember?
    Obama really, really doesn’t want to answer the question. Sensing this, and pushing him (unlike the liberal and mainstream media, who usually give Obama a pass) O’Reilly says, “Because I just want to get this on the record…”
    Obama gets ready to dodge again, and O’Reilly asks: “Did he tell you it was a terror attack?”
    Obama finally uses #2. He quotes Penetta as saying, “we’ve got an attack on our compound. We don’t know yet…”, in direct contradiction with what Penetta later said in the interview with O’Reilly.
    O’Reilly, hearing that the answer is NO, “butts in”: No terror attack?
    This is where Fox news ended their replay. Obama says that Penetta said “we don’t know yet”. This is not what Penetta says he said. End of story. A direct contradiction. It doesn’t mean Obama is wrong, it means one of them is.
    In the “scandalous” missing section, Obama never says that Penetta said it was a terrorist attack, only that Obama himself characterized it in this way. This has nothing to do with the contradiction O’Reilly is pointing out. The question is what did Penetta say, and what did Obama say he said? It has nothing to do with whether Obama thought it was a terrorist attack, or how he defined such a thing.

    At this point in the interview, Penetta could have backed off and said, “I’m not really sure what I told the president,” but he didn’t. He stuck to his guns. I don’t see how what Fox did was unfair, or why anyone who didn’t have an axe to grind would bring this up. There are certainly plenty of legitimate issues to focus on.

    ——————————–

    I assume you highlighted this last part because you found it particularly embarrassing. I don’t know if you remember, but in the speech he gave the day before, he said it was a terrorist attack. By the time of the O’Reilly interview, his administration had decided to backpedal on this, so Obama defines terror in such a way that it could mean anything. It could mean a bunch of demonstrators getting out of hand, or it could mean actual terrorists. He even says that it’s in this meaningless sense that he used the word the day before. Remember “it all depends what the meaning of is is?” If this is what he meant by “terrorism” , why say “terrorist attack” in his speech at all, since under this interpretation that phrase would be redundant? What other kind of attack could there be?

    Penetta was very specific in his interview. He corrected O’Reilly and said, “no, I didn’t say terrorist attack, I said an attack by terrorists” specifically to avoid any ambiguity, unlike Obama, who is apparently all about ambiguity.

    What I think I’ve learned from this is that when challenged, Obama tries to obfuscate. If unsuccessful, he will lie. I honestly don’t see how else you can interpret this, unless Penetta has a vendetta against the Obama administration for some reason.

    Since I think of myself as a critical thinker, I’d welcome any critical response. Please don’t quote me yet another liberal article. I’d rather hear your thoughts. Tell me where I’m wrong, or how the facts could be interpreted differently. I can’t think of any “good” reason that Obama didn’t just answer the question plainly the first or second time, only politically motivated ones, which makes me sad. And if it turns out the Penetta is telling the truth, that would be even sadder.

  • McRCN

    A 21 minute interview and this is the best you can come up?

  • Recoloniser

    I don’t get this “terror, yes or no” stuff.
    There was an attack on an American building, with American people in it. American people were killed.
    Some people carried out this attack.
    Find out who they are, where they are, go get them, dead or alive and in the latter case give ’em a fair trial and hang ’em.
    Call it whatever you want in the meantime.

  • Ferdinand Marcos 2.0

    HA Ha. Don’t like it when the shoe’s on the other foot huh?