Georgia Governor Set to Sign Possibly the Most Extreme Gun Bill in the Country

nathan-deal-georgiaThe gun debate is probably the one debate that I loathe having the most.  For some reason it just seems to render people incapable of using common sense for nothing more than the fact that they like guns.  The fact that people think that guns have nothing to do with gun violence or sensible gun regulations would leave Americans defenseless is astoundingly stupid.  I also laugh at the argument that more guns make us safe considering we have more guns than any civilized country on the planet and lead the world in gun violence.

Heck, even in the days of the wild west one of the first things many of these town sheriffs did was ban the carrying of firearms within city limits.  But now days it seems conservatives are doing their best to take our society backwards when it comes to guns and returns us to the days to where people walked around with a gun holstered on their belt.

The bill that Georgia Governor Nathan Deal is set to sign into law is a prime example of this.  As Think Progress reports, “It allows guns in bars, nightclubs, and government buildings without security checkpoints such as libraries. It eliminates criminal charges for those who accidentally bring their guns to the airport or other secured buildings where guns are prohibited. It even expands the state’s Stand Your Ground provision to allow felons to invoke the defense, and allows guns in public schools by authorized teachers and administrators.”

It’s absurd.  It’s as if these people really want shootouts in the streets of our cities and towns.  I’m a supporter of our Second Amendment, but I also possess something called common sense.  It’s a trait most conservatives seem to lack.

While people like myself support things like limits on magazine size, universal background checks and restrictions on certain types of military style assault rifles – conservatives support policies that would essentially arm every American in the United States (trained or not) and allow them to carry these guns wherever they want.

Because what could go wrong with tens of millions of untrained Americans carrying guns into just about every building they frequent?  To me that would inspire criminals to shoot first and ask questions later.  To conservatives, they think more guns make us safer.

It’s just a shame for them that stats and reality don’t support their flawed “logic.”  Then again, these are the people who don’t trust science, so it’s not a shock that they don’t care about math either.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Veritas vos Liberabit

    All red States are recalcitrant. Recalcitrancy is a trademark of regressive ultraconservatism. Georgia, the “Tombstone” State of the Union. Bring back the good old days of the Wild, Wild West.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      you owe me a dollar for correctly using one of my fave words ” recalcitrant”
      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, your homework is to GOOGLE– and use– the word ” thelyphthoric” :))

  • Avatar

    Almost ironic because I googled this movie, The Purge, where it’s biggest box office in each states, Georgia ranks third. Scary.

  • Pipercat

    What will happen, I reckon, will be called: The Marshall notice. This is where businesses will post signs saying that weapons are not allowed on the premises. I’m still at a loss why so many want to go heeled in public. Furthermore, those who have valid CHLs should be really angry about this.

    • Pipercat

      I just love false equivalencies. I guess by this logic, everyone should pack a fire extinguisher in their shorts. Oh, you cannot post hyperlinks here in the comments.

      ~

      Reynard Vulpes

      Pipercat

      12 minutes ago

      “I’m still at a loss why so many want to go heeled in public.”

      What one must call a leading question deserves an honest thorough
      answer. The same reason we keep but so rarely use fire extinguishers
      in the home:

  • SeaVHfan

    Seems that Georgia is trying to be more like the Gunshine state of Florida now. Only in the South do we see this level of Gun-lovers create such BS bills that just boggle the mind.

  • Peter Barber

    Another reason not to go to Georgia.

  • Sunny Ray

    Here again, a dangerous person with power….

  • Veritas vos Liberabit

    Here’s one last opinion before I move along: I doubt this law will be fair and equally for every Georgian. Let us assume, that a person wearing a turban “accidentally” brings his gun to the airport, will he be treated equally and fairly? How about African Americans, or Hispanics? How about someone actively manifesting symptoms of mental illness? Will they be treated equally and fairly? Frankly, I doubt it very much. First, the part where a person cannot be charged for “accidentally” bringing a gun to the airport challenges our National Security. Second, people of other nationalities, race, credo, religious beliefs or past criminal/mental illness histories will be discriminated against even more than they are now. My opinion. Anyone feeling free to challenge my statement can shoot away(no pun intended).

    • colleen2

      I think the notion of it being fairly applied in Georgia is absurd. The syg laws are nothing more than a hunting license for white Republican bullies and cowards. They want to be able to murder unarmed black folks with impunity.

      • Eddie Krebbs

        Colleen2, I assume you saw the article (either here or Think Progress ?) in the last few days about neighbor Florida – where no white person has been sentenced to the death penalty for killing a black person.

      • colleen2

        Yes, I’ve been collecting such articles. There appears to be a sort of social hierarchy described by who is able to claim syg immunity from murdering someone of ‘lesser’ social status in their primitive and ugly sub-culture. What syg does effectively is grant rednecks with a CCW a hunting license. Which is to say that murdering unarmed black kids is sport for the creepy racist men of the religious right.

      • Stephen Barlow

        But hasn’t a black Servceman been convicted of murder fora LEGITIMATE self defense killing in Florida?

      • LivinginVA

        There was also the black woman who was arrested for attempted murder because she shot her violent boyfriend (who was violating a restraining order and she had called 911) – the logic was something like “she said she wasn’t shooting to kill, therefore, syg doesn’t apply, so we have to charge her with attempted murder.” Not sure what happened with that case

    • Eddie Krebbs

      I seem to remember nationally in the 1960s there was a movement to get guns to blacks so they could use their 2nd Amendment rights to protect themselves. As I remember, there were some fairly strict laws that were passed against this in short order.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        your memory is pristine; and GOV Reagan voted that bill down

    • Stephen Barlow

      We need the Latin Kings or Cryp and bloods brandishing sidearms in redneck bars and churches and sitting on the courthouse steps!!!

    • Jimmy Two-Barrels

      yea those fuckin white people are the worst

  • Sandy Greer

    Yeah, ’cause guns in bars. What could go wrong?

    The Right is paranoid on this issue; think we’re coming to take their guns away, ha ha, he he…

    Irony: Guns are the only thing The Right argues ‘for’. Everything else (anything of benefit to folks) they oppose.

  • Ram Garcia

    It definitely is ridiculous… But as we all know, the Repugs will do and say anything to get re-elected when the time comes…Forget the fact that entitlements are being drastically reduced and I’m sure affect a good amount of the people in the state… But, remember, you can carry your gun anywhere!! Hmmmmm, once it sinks it, People will realize that they can’t make it without those cut entitlements..Ahhh, I’ve got my gun..I’ll just go out and use it to replace those lost entitlements….

    • Sandy Greer

      Maybe they’re afraid they cut so many entitlements they’re gonna NEED their guns? Maybe they’re even trying to provoke it?

      I’ve seen The Right advocate a military coup of our president. I’ve been told, by somebody IN THIS THREAD, to ‘hang onto my guns’.

      They lose ground when we vote; the country is slowly, but inexorably, moving Left. I think The Right would be pleased to see an open conflict in this country, in our streets.

  • srsmith

    Now the states that don’t allow concealed weapons will have to put metal detectors at the doors where the flight passengers are getting off of the planes. I don’t want these crazies, carrying their manhoods, in my state. In Georgia the only people who will be treated fairly by this new law is the male whites. I also feel that anyone who does not believe in ‘all americans being able to carry guns’ should boycot the state. Lets see how fast things change when the tourists stop spending their money in the state of Georgia.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      im having johm malkovich (“line of fire”) build me a nice ceramic gun which passes thru metal detectors. then Im gonna shoot some white trash regressives who I will ‘claim’ were gonna assault me (SEE: stand ur ground)

  • Adam of Portland

    Good luck on allowing the guns into the airport– the feds have jurisdiction there.

    • Eddie Krebbs

      Adam, being from a state which has tried passing laws under the thoroughly discredited theory of nullification, please don’t give them any ideas.

  • Gary Menten

    There is simply no level of “stupid” these people will not sink to. Every time I think they’ve hit rock bottom, some Republican proves he can hold his breath longer and dive deeper into the pool of idiocy than the one before him. With an unemployment rate of around 7%, one would think the great state of Georgia should have other legislative priorities, but they don’t appear to.

  • Jim Bean

    This is a catastrophic development for the Left in that, when all the horrors they know for a fact are going occur fail to occur, it creates one more obstacle each time they want to convince others that they know a lot of stuff they really don’t know.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      serious alcoholic rant there james
      ” stand your ground……….kill a teen for ( white) Christ”

  • strayaway

    Very Democratic cities ironically have both the most stringent gun laws and highest gun homicide rates. Recently, in Detroit the new (black) police commissioner has expressed support for home owners having guns. Because of limited resources, the average wait time for police to arrive is 51 minutes. At least three recent incidents have occurred in Detroit where home owners or people getting carjacked have opened fire on the bad guys. When law and order has broken down and police can’t be counted on, people should have a right to defend themselves and change the risk/reward equation for murderers and thieves. In some cases where the bad guys weren’t pointing or shooting guns, bear spray would be a better answer though.

    Incidentally, the US homicide rate for guns is 3.6/100,000 compared with, for instance, Honduras with 64.8/100000 or Mexico with 10/100000. Breaking US gun homicides down a bit further, black homicides are 15.1/100000 while white homicides are 1.5/100000. The latter number is closer to gun homicide rates found in other wealthy countries such as Canada 1.79/100000 or Germany .2/10000.

    “For the year 2010 UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime) made a similar study. It presumed a number of 468,000 intentional homicides for this year.” -wikipedia That would correspond to a worldwide rate of 6.9. The United States ranked 102nd in the rate of intentional homicides of al causes using this criteria with 6.8/100000 not including abortions. I guess if guns aren’t available, knives will suffice.

    • Sandy Greer

      The only thing I would quibble with is a comparison of US with Honduras and Mexico. Canada and Germany, yes; but Honduras/Mexico (apples) to US (oranges)

      And comparing abortions to ‘intentional homicides’ is inflammatory; best saved for another day. I understand you may feel that way, but others don’t.

      Last, I note that nobody argues for a complete confiscation of guns, leaving people unable to defend themselves in their homes.

      • strayaway

        Mexico and Honduras do supply us with a lot of “immigrants”. Feeling do not necessarily coincide with reality depending on reality’s definition. Nobody argued for a complete confiscation of guns until there is actual confiscation in countries as politically contrasting as Germany and Australia.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        correct—-
        so: where is the FIRST legislation ( by Obama ) “confiscating” guns????
        (hmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe we should re enter allowance of machine guns????)

      • Sandy Greer

        Mexico and Honduras are not industrialized, developed nations as is the US. Probably why their people ‘immigrate’ to our country, in search of work. But I’m sure you knew that. 😉

        I know it’s a fear of The Right that Lefties are coming for your guns. I understand some on The Right also fear FEMA boxcars waiting to take them away. I think both have more to do with an irrational fear of Obama, than anything else. No sense arguing hypotheticals, in any case.

        But you gave stats on Germany of .2/100,000 gun homicide deaths, compared to a US gun homicide rate of 3.6/100,000.

        That’s quite a difference. I wonder if you have any figures on Australia?

      • strayaway

        Bangladesh has about 56% of the intentional homicide rate as the US. Why Honduras should be so much worse, I don’t know. Both are poor.

        I looked Australia up. Australia had a 1.9/100,000 homicide rate in 1996. Restrictions were put on guns in 1996 and more restrictions were added in 2002. By 2007 the rate of gun related homicides declined to 1.3/100,000. In 1996, 24% of all homicides in Australia were gun related. By 2007, 11% of homicides were gun related.

        However, in Australia, sexual assaults went up from 74 to 94/100.000 (27%) between 1996 and 2007 and assaults went up from 623 to 840/100,000 (35%) between 1996 and 2007. US rates of rape are 27/100,000 and for assault 242/100,000 for comparison.

      • Sandy Greer

        So as homicides went down, assaults went up. Seems we pick our poison. If only we could assume all those gun deaths are of ‘bad guys’…but we can’t.

        Do YOU think open carry is the answer? Where do you stand on this? Should we all pack heat?

      • strayaway

        I think that I would be uncomfortable seeing people carrying guns around. It would seem like too much ego, like someone with a big engine making a lot of noise at a stoplight. Maybe it’s the advertising of ego or some perceived lacking I don’t like. On the other hand, it doesn’t bother me to see a Western rancher with a rifle in his pick-up. That’s just a tool. I am also glad to read of situations where a woman is able to defend herself because she does have a gun in her house or purse. I think the role of government is to punish anyone who mis-uses a gun or knife, bomb, whatever. Canada recently reversed much of its gun registration program because, as I understand it, it wasn’t very effective and cost a lot. I highly recommend a large bottle of bear spray as an alternative to a gun for personal security. Look up “bear spray” YouTube videos.

      • Sandy Greer

        Well, strayaway, it doesn’t look like we’re going to be able to disagree here. 😉 See, I knew I liked you.

        Some keep their tempers on a short leash. Unarmed, people walk away. But armed? Difficult to back down when you can back it up.

        I favor background checks everywhere guns trade hands in a business-like manner (gun dealers/shows) I like the idea of being licensed, with training a prerequisite. And periodic refresher courses for those of us who don’t handle weapons regularly (police, security, vets, etc)

        I wouldn’t look to register ‘grandfathered’ weapons, and believe individuals should be able to trade, sell, or give away their own individual firearms, so long as the receiver is licensed.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      sounds like regressive rightwing strayaway supports this 1890’s legislation
      —————————————————————————————
      ” stand ur ground”———— shoot a teen who snarls at you( or blasts music U don’t like
      —————————————————————————————
      “OBAMA,,,,,he is coming for your guns” said no law ever

  • Gabriel Gentile

    This ought to be fun.

  • Kerry Norton

    As a Georgia native, I say this is F’d up. I’m also a Vet (USNavy) release because I have a few psychiatric problems. I lived out of state for 10yrs and used MedMJ which absolutely helped me with my condition. The same night the GA House passed this law they rejected a MedMJ bill that was so decimated by republicans that it made the bill pointless and it failed. But at least I can carry a gun wherever I want just in case I have a psychotic episode….

  • moe/larry & curly keys

    stand your ground and kill a (black) teen for christ

  • PoppaDavid

    Where are the Black Panthers when we need them to arm and train the citizens of the inner cities of Florida and Georgia?

  • Stephen Barlow

    Let ’em secede!!! Better yet MAKE ’em SECEDE!

  • Jimmy Two-Barrels

    It’s not that they want a shootout in the streets, but a two sided shootout beats a one sided mass shooting