Gun Rights Activist on Fox News Makes Appalling Claim About the Mentally Ill

prattI’m pretty sure that no matter how long I live, I’ll never understand the obsession some have with guns.  To hear these people talk, they literally want a modern society to be filled with a bunch of citizens walking around with a gun strapped to their hip like it’s the wild wild west.

Any mention of sensible gun regulation sends these people into some ridiculous rant where they’ll tell you guns have nothing to do with gun violence, more guns is the answer, and mental illness is to blame for everything that goes wrong with guns.

They’re right about one thing — mental illness is a leading factor behind gun violence.  I think it’s safe to say anyone who murders people, or even assaults people violently with guns, isn’t exactly mentally stable.  Which is why people like myself support sensible gun regulations that seek to prevent some of these “bad people” from getting guns.

Yes, we know it won’t prevent all of them from getting a gun, but it will help deter many from doing so.  Think of it like birth control.  Does birth control prevent pregnancy 100 percent of the time?  No.  But imagine the massive spike we’d see in unplanned pregnancies if suddenly birth control disappeared.

Well, Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt was on Fox News discussing guns rights and gun regulations.  Chris Wallace brought up the point about the mentally ill and asked Mr. Pratt what we should do to prevent them from obtaining guns.

Mr. Pratt’s answer was, as you would probably guess, completely ridiculous and downright pathetic:

“We ought to put them in jail, not just think that somehow saying you can’t get a gun, but go on down the street, we’re not going to bother with you, that’s silly, that’s just really not a very good idea.”

Ironic, isn’t it?  A man who fights endlessly to preserve his interpretation of our Second Amendment rights has no problem simply arresting and throwing the mentally ill in jail — even if they’ve committed no “crime” aside from being mentally ill, apparently.  I think that alone violates about four major Constitutional rights.

Basically, using his “logic,” if someone seems like they might commit an act of violence with a gun — just throw them in jail.  I guess that means suspicion of the possibility of someone committing a crime (in his world) then becomes a prosecutable offense?

And let’s not forget that millions of Americans are technically classified as “mentally ill” for things such as depression or social anxiety.  These people are usually no threat to commit any act of violence.

This all makes sense, right?  Instead of passing sensible regulations like universal background checks or magazine size limits, let’s just throw mentally ill people in jail.  That’s much more “logical.”

Individuals like Mr. Pratt operate on a whole other level of ignorance I simply can’t grasp.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Kevin Daugherty

    What a moron.

  • Robin Halsey

    I’m speechless. Literally gobsmacked! And he’s not institutionalized, why?

  • Warner

    So what he is saying is that we can simply throw him and Wayne LaPeirerre in jail, since clearly, they suffer from the mental illness of schizophrenic paranoia? They are, after all, constantly spewing disturbed conspiracy theories that only make sense of other mentally ill people.

  • Disyman

    Well, I am a gun owner but this guy is nuts. I also as a responsible gun owner have no problem with background checks. This idiot does not speak for me.

  • VladTheImprobable

    I collect guns. I also have all of them locked up in a gun safe (All of them, not one left by the bed side to defend me in the night). My wife and I are the only ones to the combination.

    No children, no relatives, no one but the two of us.

    I also believe that there needs to be background checks, I don’t believe that everyone has the right to own a gun. These nut balls do not represent my views.

    • Skyhollower

      Thanks for being a responsible gun owner. I think that is the only thing we all want.

    • getoffmylawn

      I’m also a gun owner. I have handguns, shotguns, and long guns. I, too believe that there should be universal background check for ALL sales, including gun shows and private sales. I also believe in limiting magazine capacity and something else no one discusses – muzzle velocity.

  • Jim Bean

    The gun homicide rate in the USA is 3.60 per 100,000 people. Australia has tougher gun control laws than the USA and has a lower gun-homicide rate (0.13 per 100,000 people). The population is 97% Caucasian. South Africa also has tougher gun control laws (similar to Australia) than the USA but has a five times higher gun-crime rate (17.0 per 100,000 people). The population is 80% black. In the USA, the homicide rate for whites is 2.9 per 100,000. The homicide rate for blacks is 51.5 per 100,000. There’s a common denominator here and its not the guns. Can you see it?

    • robingee

      Your racism?

    • Splash

      We need tougher gun laws in America, no matter if the shooter is freaking white, black, purple, green or blue. The tougher gun laws in Australia are the main reason Australia has a lower gun homicide rate!!! Do not turn this into a race thing. Tougher gun laws will lower the rate of gun murders in America……period. (No, I am not black).

      • Jim Bean

        How so? We used to have tougher gun laws than we do now. We had a higher homicide rate then than we do now. As private gun ownership has increased by leaps and bounds, homicide rates have dropped dramatically. Are you going to dismiss those bits of evidence as well? Of course you are.

      • getoffmylawn

        Jim see above comment. The number of guns is way up, but ownership per capita is down. In other words, fewer and fewer people are amassing more and more guns. Paranoid schizophrenia is more likely a predictor of gun ownership than anything else.

      • Jim Bean

        Connect your own dots. You’ve just told me that as more and more guns fall into the hands of paranoid schizophrenics, the gun-related homicide rate falls dramatically.

      • getoffmylawn

        Of course, that’s not what I said, and you know it. There are fewer and fewer guns among the general population and homicide goes down. Now please address why our gun death rate is TWENTY times other civilized countries. Since I’m sure you subscribe to the “more guns, more safety” theory as pushed by the NRA, why is our gun death rate so high when we are awash in guns?

      • Jim Bean

        There are not ‘fewer guns in the general population.’ There are ‘more guns in the general population with most of the increase being concentrated in specific sectors.’ There is no decrease in guns in the remaining sectors.

      • Reynard Vulpes

        I think getoffmylawn meant “fewer GUN OWNERS …”

      • 1EdMeadows83

        So, what you are saying is more and more crazy people own more and more guns. Is that it?

      • Reynard Vulpes

        Good one, Jim.

        As for gun collectors being mentally unstable, that would mean collectors of anything would be unstable.

        Obsessive.

        I have a whole can of pennies on the counter by the door. More dumped there all the time. Obviously I’m obsessed with pennies.

        Here’s a tip for the name callers here:

        Guns are a commodity just like soap, beans, antique cars, and it’s highly likely, given the gun shows, that they are an investment.

        In fact a great number of FFL (Federal Firearms LIcense) are actually collectors for resale.

        Would you gig a furniture store owner for collecting furniture in his warehouses?

        Just how stupid are these anti gun folks? Well they’ve let themselves be consistently lied to. You decide.

      • Jim Bean

        I don’t get it either and sincerely struggle to understand them. What makes them so bound and determined to keep trying to invalidate the obvious and to prove they know how to make water flow uphill?

      • 1EdMeadows83

        “As for gun collectors being mentally unstable, that would mean collectors of anything would be unstable.” That may be true. Gun nuts are very much like pedophiles who collect photos of nude children in sexual positions. I can grasp the similarities.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        Isn’t it odd that most schizophrenics are Republican? Now that may or may not be a true statement but it shows that anyone can say stupid things, not just Republicans, but you do say more stupid things.

      • Reynard Vulpes

        Jay Leno’s cars. LOL

      • Reynard Vulpes

        Your butterfly collection.

      • Reynard Vulpes

        Sword collectors.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        “homicide rates have dropped dramatically.” Tell that to the grieving parents in New Town, CT.

      • Reynard Vulpes

        Oh for heaven’s sake. Does NO ONE every do actual research anymore with it so easy on line?

        Australia, if you’ll bother to look up the stats, has always had a much lower violent crime rate they the U.S., and it’s gun crime rate was dropping long before the laws you refer to were instituted.

        They had two singular events, highly unlikely to be changed by all the laws you can think of. Nuts will get weapons of whatever kind if they want to murder masses of people.

        The laws didn’t do what you think they did.

        AU, by the way has had in recent years quite a rash of home entry violent robberies, and the inhabitants have had little means to fight off the thugs.

        If you are logical, consider this: even as the violent crime rate (and the gun crime rate) dropped in the U.S. more and more guns were bought by private citizens every year.

        The problems of gun crime are bounded very tightly but just a few things. Crime ridden pockets of poverty, and lack of policing, as well as very poor judicial performance in the enforcement and allowing perps to plea bargain away the gun portion of their crime.

        Look it up. Good laws would deal with those who are socially limited. Education, rehabilitation, and community support.

    • PoppaDavid

      Continue your analysis and include China, Japan and Korea. See the common denominator? We have too few Eastern people in the U.S.

      Of course you could have looked at the employment GINI index

    • Rebecca Sprang

      You’re looking for race but I’m gonna give you wealth disparity instead.

      • Jim Bean

        Definitely a factor. Blacks seem to be less successful world wide. Are they both symptomatic of the same thing? I know this is extremely uncomfortable territory but eventually mankind will evolve intellectually to the point where they can seriously study it.

      • Andy Kinnard

        Wow! So, you accept wealth disparity as a factor but ONLY so far as to use it as a vehicle to point to what you think is the ROOT cause: inferiority of a particular race. Unreal level of racism, Jim. Unreal.

      • Jim Bean

        I never said racism was the root cause. I merely presented a set of facts and YOU drew that conclusion. There is no way you will intimidate into excluding articles of evidence from the analysis simply because those articles suggest some discomforting possibilities that you’d prefer not to contemplate.

      • Andy Kinnard

        Racism is clearly the root cause of your myopia. You are clearly suggesting that racial inferiority is the root cause of certain socio-economic problems. The scientific research on IQ and other innate traits across racial division has been complete for many decades, and your side’s theories were dashed. I will not debate this issue: It has been settled for decades.

      • Jim Bean

        Correction: ‘I never said “race” was the root cause.’

      • 1EdMeadows83

        Yep. I was correct. You are a racist.

      • jim

        Last rant of someone who has no other explanation for the way nigizerangs live.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        You are not only a racist but a racist who uses words 99.99% of normal people never heard of!

      • Guest

        OK, I am right again! You are not only a racist but a racist who uses words 99.99% of normal people never heard of!

      • jim young

        They wear their pants down around their knees, talk like idiots and wear ball caps on side ways and are lazy, and you wonder why they are less successful? No great mystery there.

    • fuck republicans!

      how do you explain school shooting and mass shootings you racist asshole?

      • Jim Bean

        If a predisposition exists toward mass murders, it exists primarily among whites.

    • fuck republicans!

      your wrong about south Africa, since Africa is a giant mixture of country’s which country are you talking about specifically? your wrong either way, your a racist, redneck inbred douchebag piece of shit. I fucking hate the fact that i have to share my country with you turds.

      • Splash

        Thank you for saying what many of us are thinking to Mr. Bean, and others like him.

      • TheGermanGuy

        Actually, the Republic of South of Africa is a sovereign nation, commonly known as South Africa. For reference, Google the term “South Africa”. All of Jim Bean’s stats for South Africa are accurate, though I agree that his use of those stats is extremely uninformed and ignorant.

    • getoffmylawn

      It’s always entertaining to watch gun nuts twist up numbers to make a false point. It usually involves a racial slur, for which Jim Bean has a proclivity. Here are the facts: gun ownership in the USA per capita is down and declining. The NUMBER of guns is up, but owned by fewer and fewer people. The homicide rate is down, primarily in areas that have strong gun control (with Chicago as a notable exception due to its proximity to areas with lax gun control). Those are the facts. Here are the other facts: the gun death rate in the US is TWENTY TIMES the average of other OECD (industrialized) countries. Gun nuts LOVE to wave stats from South Africa, one of the most violent countries on the planet, but ignore relevant data (like other civilized countries). Study after study shows that more guns equals more deaths, in all countries, in all cases. Gun nuts hide behind cherry picked and distorted data, ignoring the obvious that is right in front of their faces.

      • Jim Bean

        ” Study after study shows that more guns equals more deaths, in all countries, in all cases.” Doesn’t that directly conflict with, “The NUMBER of guns is up, but owned by fewer and fewer people. The homicide rate is down…?,” If you have a stat showing the homicide rate is UP in areas with the WEAKEST gun control, I’d love to see it. But, hey buddy, refusing to contemplate anything but the gun is the least labor-intensive and least discomforting way to approach the subject and I respect your right to take the easy way out.

      • getoffmylawn

        Spare me your indignation. BTW, you just cited about a dozen gun statistics with NO attribution, yet you’re now demanding my source? Please. What you and other gun nuts ignore is CONTEXT. Our homicide rate is down over the last 20 years, certainly…but can you explain why it is so much higher than in countries with strict gun laws?

      • Jim Bean

        Sure. Socio-economic disparity. The failure of leadership in the black community to mentor and mold black youth into socially responsible, self-sufficient members of the community at-large. That failure is compounded by the black-community’s leader’s (and Democratic Party’s) politically-motivated habit of selling the notion that black’s are ‘victims’ and that the deck is stacked against them, thus robbing them of self-motivation and instilling them with anger and hatred. (You – getoffmylawn – and I are making some progress. We’ve expanded, with your consent, the scope of the discussion to include more than just the guns. That is truly ‘progressive’ in nature.

      • Splash

        Let’s hear your explanation as to why there is a predisposition for mass murders to be committed by whites?

      • Mike Williams

        Dodgeball.

      • Jim Bean

        I don’t know but as a white person, I’m not going to deny that racial genetics seems clearly to play a role in it. I hope science takes a hard look at it.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        “I don’t know but as a white person, I’m not going to deny that racial genetics seems clearly to play a role. . .” I think you’ve made your proclivities perfectly clear.

      • Jim Bean

        By ‘proclivities’ do you mean I’m suggesting that racial genetics may be a factor in human peculiarities? Gezz-Louizze! They’re a known factor in more heart attacks and sickle cell anemia in blacks. Only a fool would think they can’t be a factor that predisposes blacks to violence and whites to mass murders. Its seem to me like something we would WANT to be talking about.

      • Guest

        Certain races have certain issues that are peculiar to that race. Whites don’t normally have Sickle Cell Anemia and blacks aren’t particularly susceptible to sunburn. But attitudes peculiar to certain races? I don’t think so. Blacks are often violent because of the subjugation they’ve endured under white domination. In other words, they have “temper tantrums” because of the flack from us, the whites.
        I don’t think whites are anymore prone to mass murder than are blacks. Did you ever hear of a little nation named Somalia? Mostly blacks there and a whole lot of murder goin’ on. Same as during the formation of a state named Kenya. Did you ever hear of a little group called the Mau Mau? Pretty murderous, I’d say.
        In other words, people are people and are subjects of their environment. Racism isn’t just the property of whites. Some pretty intolerant blacks around also.
        I think we all harbor a little racism deep within us and with some more than others. My grandfather was a very gentle, family loving white man who, at one time, belonged to the Ku Klux Klan. People are subjects of their environment. I don’t think you, Jim, are the most racist person I’ve encountered but you do seem to be racist.

      • Jim Bean

        I originally said that in the USA, gun violence is disproportionally attributable to the black community and I am correct. I did NOT say that ‘because of their race, they are more likely to be violent.’ I didn’t say that because it hasn’t been proven. I DID, however, provide some evidence showing that predominately white communities are statistically less violent and that predominately black communities are statistically more violent. Does that mean race is a causal factor? We just don’t know and we don’t try to find out because the prospect makes us too uncomfortable. So we take the irresponsible way out and simply ignore the possibility.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        Certain races have certain issues that are peculiar to that race. Whites don’t normally have Sickle Cell Anemia and blacks aren’t particularly susceptible to sunburn. But attitudes peculiar to certain races? I don’t think so. Blacks are often violent because of the subjugation they’ve endured under white domination. In other words, they have “temper tantrums” because of the flack from us, the whites.
        I don’t think whites are anymore prone to mass murder than are blacks. Did you ever hear of a little nation named Somalia? Mostly blacks there and a whole lot of murder goin’ on. Same as during the formation of a state named Kenya. Did you ever hear of a little group called the Mau Mau? Pretty murderous, I’d say.
        In other words, people are people and are subjects of their environment. Racism isn’t just the property of whites. Some pretty intolerant blacks around also. I think intolerant people should be gathered up and shot. 😉
        I think we all harbor a little racism deep within us and with some more than others. My grandfather was a very gentle, family loving white man who, at one time, belonged to the Ku Klux Klan. People are subjects of their environment. I don’t think you, Jim, are the most racist person I’ve encountered but you do seem to be a bit more racist than I.

      • jim

        You Sir are a fucking idiot. If you want to beat yourself up for being born white, knock your self out. Don’t try to push off this white guilt shit on the rest of us. Its the Blacks that need to take responsibility for the decay and destruction of their own society. Black culture is nothing but degrading less than human pants down around their knees, rhyming songs called rap that talks about women as hoes and cops that need to be shot. Blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit 50 percent of the crime and limp dick liberals like you give them a pass because someone owned their great great great gand daddy. Well get the fuck over it. It is no longer anyone but the Blacks fault for their condition.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        What happened? Did you forget how to spell Nigizerang?

      • Andy Kinnard

        So, that’s ALL on the leadership of the black community, huh? It has nothing to do with culturally ingrained racism, lower opportunities and starting off life with fewer economic resources (in an environment where rising above one’s “birth class” is statistically many times harder than it was for our parents and grandparents…no, that NOT an invitation for you to post some anecdote about some poor immigrant who became a neurologist [because anecdotes aren’t evidence])?

        I’ll agree that a “victim mentality” is used far too often in today’s society. Let’s ensure we identify it when used by those that trumpet the “War on Christmas” and “reverse discrimination”.

      • Jim Bean

        Not all of it. Plenty (of blame) goes to the Democratic Party that cannot prevail without a permanent underclass and the unsuspecting stooges that run interference for them when something comes up that might tempt the under-class (white/black/or whatever)to leave the Democratic Party Plantation.

      • Andy Kinnard

        The Democrats cannot win on a national level without the support of a broad cross section of the American electorate. You can choose to reframe that as a dependency on keeping much of that electorate in poverty, but, in doing so, you reveal much more about yourself than you expose in the Democratic party.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        Ahhh! There it is. It’s all the Democrats fault. Now it makes perfect sense. You’re a Republican Racist!

      • Andy Kinnard

        More ultra-right wing, fact free sophistry.

      • Jim Bean

        They DO start out life at a disadvantage. But an 18 year old youth with his hat on sideways, his pants nearly falling off and dragging on the ground, a face full of jewelry and a mouth full of metallurgic adornments is not going to get the job when he shows up for the interview. And his presence on the street looking that way creates an image that sticks with prospective employers even though the kid might clean himself up for interview.
        Consequently, they are destined to remain in the ‘socio-economic under-class’ per their own behavior. White people didn’t force them to make those choices and the only ones that can drive that message are the leaders of the black community. White people/employers dare not point it out because they will be accused of being racists.
        And where the hell is Obama on this? He’s in the best position of anyone since MLK to influence black youth and he’s completely MIA. He’s the biggest loser in black history.

      • Andy Kinnard

        Jim, it’s unreal that you would paint an entire race with the same broad brush based on these stereotypes you post. You do understand that the person you described is a minority within the black community, don’t you? Because it doesn’t represent black folks as a group, it in no way accounts for the many times greater likelihood that ANY black family or person suffers much more unemployment, fewer resources, lower lifetime earnings, etc. than the rest of society.

        What DOES explain that is bigotry like you display readily in your many comments here. Your discomfort (and that of those like you) with black folks in general is what explains it. You and people like you helping to systematically build reflections of that discomfort into all manner of facets of our public lives is what explains that.

        Your white privilege is showing in your every comment; you. just. don’t. get it.

      • Jim Bean

        I didn’t say Adam Lanza was representative of white folks as a group either. I said that mass murders seem (based on statistics) to be a peculiarity of the white race and a high rate of violent crime in general seems to a peculiarity among the black race. Your argument that “more unemployment, fewer resources, lower lifetime earnings, etc. than the rest of society” are the sole causal factors dies an instant death when you factor in South Africa where 80% of the people are black and all live in the same circumstances and their violence rate is even higher.
        You seem to think (or hope) that by being condescending and calling me names, you will intimidate me into being silent about a phenomenon that is glaring but that most are too cowardly to even contemplate. Won’t work.
        The civil rights act was enacted in 1964. That was 50 years (FIFTY YEARS!!) ago and all the ‘accommodations’ requested by the Left have been granted. How long is it going to take until we reach the point where we are willing to say, “We’re done making excuses for your misbehaviors and misadventures? 500 years? 5000?

      • Andy Kinnard

        I didn’t write that those factors were the ONLY contributors. Several hundred years WOULD be appropriate (given the length of time that American slavery was maintained).

      • Jim Bean

        Baloney. Any real influence of actual slavery has been gone from the environment for many generations. Today African-American children( like all children) have to learn about it from someone else who learned about it from someone else, who learned about it from someone else.) The only impact that comes from it on todays children is the harm that comes when someone teaches them they’re a victim and that the deck is stacked against. Liberals and black leaders exploit blacks just as surely as plantation owners did.

      • Andy Kinnard

        So, your response consists of the irrefutable logic of, “baloney!” and some pablum about how people are victimized by being aware of their victimization. Spectacular!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey needledick f*ckface,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what about white trash such as U who go on shooting sprees??? did they eat watermelon and cornbread?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        meet me,,,,,,,,,I wanna have your tough guy veteran ass in my reach

      • 1EdMeadows83

        Jimmy Boy, you lost your credibility with your first post ” In the USA, the homicide rate for whites is 2.9 per 100,000. The homicide rate for blacks is 51.5 per 100,000.” You should give up your lust for guns before you kill someone.

      • jim

        And its Nigizerangs killing Nigizerangs that do the most crime. You are a Nigizerangs loving limp dick liberal and need to get a brain. See the Wizard soon.

      • Reynard Vulpes

        Like most gun prohibitionists you haven’t bothered to check your own claims. SA is not the most violent gun crime nation.

        Look it up. It’s not the U.S. either. And it has strong gun prohibition laws.

        Even the Clinton administration proved that gun prohibition has, in the words of the report they commissioned, “no correlation found between gun control laws and gun crime rates.”

        The party that called for the study quickly turned its back on the result, from a major university research project.

        You have been lied to for years.

        Oh, and for the racist bigot that wants to equate black with crime, where you are to guess the connection, I’ll fill you in.

        The question he posed can be answered this way, “yes, I can guess the connection where blacks have a higher crime rate. It’s that they have also suffered both bigotry extreme poverty.”

        Try again racist.

      • Jim Bean

        (I’m “the racist bigot that wants to equate black with crime). Without intending to, you just made my point for me – the point being – ‘its not the availability of a gun that triggers the impulse to commit a violent crime with one. Its something else, unrelated to the gun, and unaffected by gun control attempts.’ If you’d been paying attention all along, you’d know I’ve been saying its socio-economic factors – not guns – that drives the inordinate amount of violence in the black community. And I’m saying ‘that’s what we need to fix.’

    • EaDiot

      Ok as a South African I would like to correct you on one small point. We may have strict gun regulations however we have the easiest access to illegal firearms from the rest of Africa so gun ownership is rife amongst those inclined towards criminal activities. It is all about ability to enforce the sensible gun regulations we have. Personally I would love to live in a Gun Free society (although if you are carrying a fiream to be carrying a visibly displayed licence for such – like a bright orange licence visible to enforcement officers). I have been a victim of an armed robbery and was fortunately only pistol whipped however it didn’t make me want to own a firearm then or ever because statistically the likelihood of being injured or killed by my own firearm is far greater than being shot by someone else. We also have a massive unemployment issue and that is even higher within the black community so they prefer “self employment” and do crime. It isn’t because they are black it is because they are economically disadvantaged similar to your black communties in the USA. It is all about the money! Empower people finacially and you liberate them,

      • Jim Bean

        I know, EaDiot. Its a very complex issue with no easy solutions and you hit that nail on the head with – ” we have the easiest access to illegal firearms from the rest of Africa so gun ownership is rife amongst those inclined towards criminal activities. It is all about ability to enforce the sensible gun regulations we have.” The ‘ability to control illegal weapons’ can only exist in a society that allows random, unwarranted searches of persons, homes, business, and auto’s. And even then, it will only be partially effective.

      • EaDiot

        And you conveniently ignored the fact that it has little to do with the colour of a person’s skin and is driven by socio-economic factors more. Personally I can’t see the reason for all the hoopla about decent gun control regulations unless you fear the regulations would limit your right to own a gun in which case should you even own a gun in the first place? Just glad you didn’t quote the Swiss as a comparison because they in fact have more gun regulations than we do in SA. Like anyone at a specific address where there has been a “domestic violence” complaint loses their gun licences.

      • Reynard Vulpes

        You are correct on my things you say, you are not on the chances of you being injured or killed by your own firearm.

        Unless you are suicidal you gun will stay in your own possession.

        Studies, on in particular, have lied about this and falsified or otherwise obscured the flaws in their protocols. For instance saying “family,” when in fact the groups surveyed were in high crime areas, and NOT having legally owned firearms all that much.

        Filthy liars with the robes of academia protecting them … until their colleagues caught and outed them for poor and phony research.

      • EaDiot

        Tell that to the children who have been accidently shot and either killed or seriously injured by firearms owned by their parents. Don’t worry little child the studies were flawed. Ironically statistics are universal and studies here seem to come to a similar conclusion. Do maths much? Boom!

    • Mike Williams

      You sir, suffer from Oralfecalosis. Perhaps you will be able to get that taken care of in January.

      On a lighter note:
      The black population in the US is only 12.6% as of 2010…
      (US census, as edited by Obama to hide the conspiracy)
      So what you’re now telling us is that in the last 2 years blacks have replicated 68.4% faster than any other ethnicity. That explains the increase in welfare costs better than the mythical economic collapse orchestrated by Obama to give black Muslims all the money stolen from white Christians by the Jews. Forcing gay men to have abortions might be the best thing since 1953, but curing lesbian of colon cancer is just a waste time. They will just get it again.

      Just curious…since the 2010 census is my source for numbers…did you use the 2012 census or the 2013?

      • Jim Bean

        And you suffer from lack of credible counterpoint.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      yes— U are a small dicked crybaby white trash punk I would luv 2 meet alone– and Im white

    • 1EdMeadows83

      Yes. I can see that you are a racist.

      • Jim Bean

        For four decades you Lefties have been deflecting any mention of the social problems in the black community by screaming ‘racist’ at the top of your lungs. Each decade, you become more effective at it. Why don’t you describe how the black community has benefited from your efforts? While you’re at it, can you share your thoughts about their new pastime called the ‘knockout game?”

      • 1EdMeadows83

        Well Jimmy, I seem to remember (and I said ‘remember’, not ‘I read in history books’) that it was a Leftie president who signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and a Leftie president who forced my governor to step away from the schoolhouse door and let the black kids in. I think the “Lefties” have done a bit more for the black community than your precious “Righties” I might ask you what have the Republicans done for the working class of any color?
        I think the Knockout game is terrible. Almost as bad as the lynchings that took place in my old state of Alabama as recent as my childhood. Almost as bad as the gun collector massacring 26 kids and adults in New Town, CT. Yeah, I think we Lefties have done right in many instances of treatment of the black communities. What have the “Righties” done?

      • 1EdMeadows83

        I know what the next post from one of you losers will say, “The Democrats owned slaves and fought the Civil Rights Act” so I’ll jump the gun and answer that tired old comment now.

        I’ve explained this so often to dense minds it has become tiresome but here goes, one more time.

        It is true that Democrats did pretty bad things before July, 1964. Beginning
        before the Civil War, the South was solidly Democratic. They owned slaves and fought the North in an effort to perpetuate that privilege. In other words they wanted to maintain the status quo. In other words, the South was CONSERVATIVE and it remained Conservative until LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act in July, 1964. Then, miracle of miracles, ol’ Dixie realized it was Republican because it didn’t want its kids going to school with or to associate with Negroes. Of course the good ol’ boys used another N word.

        Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president but he was a Liberal or a Progressive. The boys of the old South were always conservative. After LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act they called themselves Republicans because the Republican party had become the party of conservatism. Can you understand this?
        Democrat and Republican are just NAMES. Liberalism and Conservatism are attitudes. Or another way to identify these groups, moral and Immoral. I was raised in the old South but I was a rarity. I was nominally a Democrat but always a Liberal. I voted for John Kennedy in 1964 and my Dad who was always my hero, voted for the loser, Barry Goldwater. My Dad was a creature of the times so naturally he was a Conservative.

      • Jim Bean

        It was the Pubs that passed the civil rights act by overpowering the objecting Democrats. Here’s the vote per Wikipedia.

        By party[edit]

        The original House version:[19]
        Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
        Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

        Cloture in the Senate:[20]
        Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
        Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

        The Senate version:[19]
        Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
        Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

        The Senate version, voted on by the House:[19]
        Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
        Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

      • Hans Meyer

        “It was the Pubs that passed the civil rights act…”

        No it wasn’t.

        But when all you have are lies, lying’s all you can do.

        Senate version (final votes that got the 1964 Civil Rights legislation passed and signed into law by Democratic President Johnson):

        46 Democratic Senators is greater than 27 Republican Senators.

        Oops.

        153 Democratic House members is greater than 136 Republican House members.

        Oops.

        You should have kept your ignorant mouth shut.

        (Oh, and since you were banned from RS – Oops – I’m responding to you here.)

      • Jim Bean

        Oh, for Pete’s sake! 91 Democrats voting against is more than 35 Republicans voting against.

      • Hans Meyer

        “Oh, for Pete’s sake! 91 Democrats voting against is more than 35 Republicans voting against.”

        That’s not what you claimed.

        Oops.

        You really should have just kept your ignorant mouth shut.

        Oops.

      • Jim Bean

        PS. You’re right about the RS ban. Guess the information I provided on Congressional voting records didn’t rise to their exceptionally high standards – such as these they are currently airing:

        JuanLiberale
        He was trying to shoot is dick but the target was too small. Instead he shot one of the two fingers that were holding it.

        giftedgirl727
        And he was the experienced one. Fuck these morons & their stupid ass gun fetishes

        see more

      • Hans Meyer

        “PS. You’re right about the RS ban.”

        Of course I am.

        “Guess the information I provided on Congressional voting records didn’t rise to their exceptionally high standards…”

        The information you provided only proved that it was the liberals of the day who passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act over the objections of the conservatives of the day.

        As I said, you really should have just kept your ignorant mouth shut.

      • Hans Meyer

        “such as these they are currently airing:”

        Typical.

        No links. No context. For all anyone knows, you just made that up.

        You really should just keep your ignorant mouth shut.

      • Jim Bean

        Every time I post a link it gets jammed up in moderation. Go to The Raw Story, The Texas Gun Club article, and you’ll find them among the first ten comments.

      • Hans Meyer

        “Every time I post a link it gets jammed up in moderation.”

        Then maybe you’re not welcome here, either.

        But, in a typical rightwingnut reaction, it is the fault of everyone else except your own. Typical.

        “Go to The Raw Story, The Texas Gun Club article, and you’ll find them among the first ten comments.”

        Doesn’t work that way.

        You make the claim. It is your responsibility to prove it.

        You can’t prove it. Therefore, it is a lie.

        And, if lies are all you have, lying’s all you can do.

      • Jim Bean

        Sorry. I didn’t realize you’d been crowned king for the day. Besides, the link posted. Still think they’re lies?

      • Hans Meyer

        “Sorry.”

        Of course you are.

        “I didn’t realize you’d been crowned king for the day.”

        Your ignorance has already been established.

        “Besides, the link posted.”

        Where?

        Oops.

      • Jim Bean

        And the shooter in Newtown was not a gun collector. He was the autistic son of a gun collector. If I were you, I’d fire the new source that gave you the corrupted info.

      • 1EdMeadows83

        I believe Lanza carried a Bushmaster, a Glock & A Sig Sauer to Sandy Hook which he used to slaughter 20 children and 6 adults. Three guns. I’d call that a collection, wouldn’t you? He collected them from his mother’s collection.

      • shadydvl

        and if you count up the amount of homicides any race has committed I think youll find Asians in first place followed by European white people in second place.

      • Jim Bean

        Nope. Compared to blacks, whites and Asians don’t even place. Google ‘homicide by race’ Click on CDC – Homicide Rates . . . . . (If I supply the link, it goes in the hopper)

  • Debra Ebright

    This is no “executive” !!

  • C A Butler

    I guess Allen because the word unabridged comes up in relation to gun rights. What people really fail to understand, and check this with any competent constitutional law professor and he or she would agree, is that the Constitution doesn’t give you rights or allow you rights.

    The Constitution simply states what is already and what came before the Constitution and one of those things being the right to bear arms and that right being important to have. Not solely for a militia but; instead, the right to bear arms is necessary, read impossible to achieve without, the right to bear arms. In other words you would need to be armed already to achieve the basis for a militia.

    The Constitution then goes on to explain the responsibility of the Government to protect these rights unabridged. The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate.

    The right is to remain unchanged or screwed with in any way. If someone can find a way around the word unabridged then they are the type that could find their way to supporting a Dred Scott decision as Constitutional.

    That is most peoples problem with gun amendments. What part of unabridged do people not understand and what part of, as serious as 1860, do people not get. Does anyone think that people who care about such will continue to watch their allegedly unabridged right, to be kept inviolate, whittled away at repeatedly.

    People will go to arms over such; as man does not have the history for gun laws. People and Governments have proven themselves as untrustworthy for years and years now. So I would assume between their complete lack of trust of their neighbors and the Government and the fact that someone wants to abridge their right has them a little testy.

    I could be wrong….. but I doubt it but I don’t doubt the brewing fight in the background.

  • Jeff Shouse

    I didn’t see the interview on Fox, but I can guarantee you that this left wing progressive knucklehead took whatever comments were made completely out of context.

  • jim young

    I have seen many of these mentally ill people, I walked in very upscale places where these nuts hang out and live. Some sit on the ground in front of stores and say fuck you to passers by, one nut would flip off anyone who walked buy his park bench, destroying the peaceful enjoyment of others. Many are schizophrenic and alcoholics who go of meds and need to be locked up. limp dick liberals will use any excuse to give a pass to these nuts and then condemn a cop who shoots a thug because that thug was black. Limp dick liberals will destroy this nation, they are a cancer that will eat at the very core of our being until its the crime ridden hulk of places like NYC. Screw you simple minded bastards.