Here We Go Again: Republicans Plan to Hold Debt Ceiling Hostage Unless Their Demands are Met

ryan-debt-ceilingOh Paul Ryan, what a scumbag you are.  Then again, what should anyone expect?  This is a man who paid for his college education using Social Security money he received following the untimely death of his father — then has spent his entire adult life working for the government — yet constantly speaks out against entitlement spending and vilifies the same government his life has been dependent upon.

He’s also the same guy who tried to blame President Obama for a factory closing in his hometown — before Obama ever became president.  Oh, and let’s not forget how he’s vilified the 2009 stimulus money, then admitted sending letters to the Obama administration seeking funds from that very same stimulus bill for his district.

In other words, he’s a hypocrite and most likely a sociopath.

Well, following the recent announcement of the Murray-Ryan budget deal, some (including myself) had hoped that this compromise might be the first step toward a Congress that actually tries to accomplish something.  Sadly, it seems like we’re just headed toward more of the same.

Now Paul Ryan has more or less confirmed that, going forward, Republicans fully plan to hold the next debt ceiling vote hostage unless their demands are met.

Speaking to Fox News (shocking, I know) Rep. Ryan said:

The GOP wants concessions from Democrats in exchange for not allowing the U.S. to default on its debts this spring.   We as a caucus, along with our Senate counterparts, are going to meet and discuss what it is we’re going to want out of the debt limit.  We don’t want nothing out of this debt limit. We’re going to decide what it is we’re going to accomplish out of this debt limit fight.”

In other words, they agreed to a budget hoping that by “appearing” to work with Democrats they can leverage something on the debt ceiling, because far fewer Americans even understand what the debt ceiling is.

As I’ve said numerous times before, the debt ceiling is nothing more than a procedural vote that allows the United States government to pay its bill on money we’ve already spent.  The debt ceiling has nothing to do with new spending, and until President Obama came into the White House it had never been a tool used to negotiate much of anything.

Hell, Republicans sure didn’t mind raising it during the Bush administration, considering they did it 7 times in his 8 years in office.

But Ryan’s comments clearly show what Republicans have in mind for the future.  They’re going to try to use the debt ceiling as a way to repeal or sabotage “Obamacare” and extort a list of demands from President Obama.

And considering how well this has worked out for them the previous times they’ve tried to pull it off, I’m sure this will go the same exact way.  Oh, by “well” I mean it was an epic disaster.   It’s as if Republicans are incapable of learning from past mistakes.  They simply continue to do the same idiotic things over and over again expecting different results.

But I say bring it on.  If they want to walk down this path of holding the debt ceiling hostage once again, just like before, the Republican party will be the ones who suffer the most.  These people just don’t seem to want to learn that extortion isn’t going to get them very far.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • bailey78

    He just needs a little mental help is all. Maybe smoke a little herb.

  • Robert Cook

    Here we go again: “I want you to stop buying gas for your car..”, “No, I need it”, “well, stop buying it. We don’t want you to.”, “No, it’s needed”, “well, can you buy less of it, or maybe use only a certain octane?”, “no, it’s needed”, “You won’t compromise!! We’re shutting the garage door so you can’t take your car out!”

    • Jason Hartwick

      So what you mean is that repubs are making demands that may possibly be somewhat reasonable depending on circumstances, the dems refuse to budge, and the repubs take an unreasonable action? That is how that metaphorical convo plays out here…..

      • Robert Cook

        Actually, for the most part, yes I do.. I think some of the requests the GOP have made haven’t been too far out of bounds.. but then again, there’s a difference between a request and a demand.. if someone asks me to change something, I’m MUCH more reasonable about it than if someone tells me I am changing or I must change.. Also, the Dems have made some requests, but those aren’t honored – then the GOP demands more, and wonders why people aren’t willing to compromise – it’s too bad, we need leaders, not lemmings, and with both parties, when one says no, their whole party seems to go along with that no- again, that’s BOTH parties

      • Jason Hartwick

        Yep, that’s what I meant – blaming one side or the other is just plain silly. ALL of these people seem to have a crack in their skull where the brains leaked out – Dem, repub, doesn’t matter … maybe something large and flat fell on them while they were all standing still?

    • Anders Westby

      Genius anology there.

  • Sherry Arnold

    He’s special or he at least looks it….

  • moe/larry & curly keys

    doesn’t he play QB for the packers?

  • Jim Bean

    By the authors standards, any Atheist who doesn’t give back his Christmas Holiday pay isn’t fit live.

    • Gary Smith

      Coherence is a good thing. Perhaps you ought to look into getting some.

      • Jim Bean

        So is comprehension. When the listener has none, it makes no difference whether the speaker is coherent or not.

  • Treelore

    His face looks like an anus. Only one thing comes out of an anus…

  • 1EdMeadows83

    My definition of insanity; Seeing Republicans practicing stupidity over and over again and expecting them to do something worthwhile.

  • Kevin Daugherty

    The GOP will really have a Maalox moment when Hillary is elected ! She’s tough.

    • OneDeepah

      Hillary Clinton is a deception, get off the hype-train.

    • Si Gung

      Mrs. Clinton is toxic. The scandals and failures that trail her surpass her successes.

  • Dave Duty

    But spending more than this country brings in isnt stupid? Allowing social programs run amok with fraud and waste isnt stupid? Pork belly deals to “recurb” a historic isnt stupid. 600+ million of a web site that still doesnt work properly AND isnt even 100% implamented, isnt stupid?

    • Chris Ritzer

      In response. The reason the economy is in the toilet has next to nothing to due with the Obama administration and nearly everything to do with Bush’s. He put two wars on our credit card, invaded the wrong country over 9/11, and then CUT taxes, making it even LESS likely we could pay off those wars. This was after Clinton had us a Budget Surplus. Republicans want to, now that the economy is starting to heal, go back to the very policies that created the crash/recession in the first place. You know, I saw a movie about Trickle Down economics. It was called ‘The Human Centipede.’ Because that’s what the wealthy do. They take all the money, then they crap in our mouths while telling us we should be grateful for the opportunity.
      The Healthcare website had some bugs, but it is not a national scandal. At least it was acknowledged and they are working to get it fix. When the healthcare/insurance system was bugged for the last presidency, no acknowledgement, no fixes. Just let the insurance companies run wild.
      But let’s not forget the real stupidity, because this one trumps it all. 29% of Louisiana citizens (mostly republicans) blame Obama for the SLOW HURRICANE KATRINA RESPONSE?!?! You want stupidity? The GOP is always there to top EVERYONE.

      • Wayne

        Total national debt has doubled under Obama. Just saying. Yet, the Left wingers continue to give this guy a free pass on every lie he spews out. Also, I don’t know how Obamacare is helping a lot of us who already had insurance since our premiums are going way up. “If you have insurance already, you can keep it”. He lies more than Bush ever did.

      • Chris Ritzer

        The ‘If you like it, you can keep it’ thing was always a promise too big to keep. But the reason your premiums are going up is not directly because of the ACA. It is because the Insurance companies are using the law (which everyone agrees needs fixed) to scam people. They simply tell people that their current plans aren’t up to code, pretend to fix them, and then charge a larger amount of money. Which is why Insurance companies should be fully regulated by the government. Because when they’re out for a profit, they don’t give a crap about you, me, or anyone. You know who cares? President Obama. And we need a president that cares. And ‘Lies more than Bush?” Only if you realize Bush was a big enough idiot to actually believe his lies were true. From lying about Iraq’s ‘So called’ WMDs so he could start a war for oil, to this little snip, where he claimed Barack Obama said “he’s going to attack Pakistan and embrace (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad.” Remember his Medicare Part D? It cost more than the Affordable Care act, and unlike the ACA, it was never budgeted. Under Obama, yes the Debt has increased by 6.5 trillion. But remember, we also added 4.7 trillion to the debt from Bush. Not to mention, Bush tanked the economy, while Obama has sent us into recovery (He added more jobs in his first four years in office than Bush did in 8 years.) Shall I continue, or do you have a headache from dealing with legitimate facts?

      • surfjac

        How many died because of a glitch in the ACA web site? How many died because of just one of bush’s lies? Has the national debt doubled because of a war started or had to perpetuate? Was the doubling because Obama added the cost of the wars to the budget? Was the doubling because taxes were cut too much by bush and there is not enough revenue to meet obligations created during the bush administration? We’ve been paying for the bush lies since Obama has been in office where we’ve been subjected to obstruction by the gop at every turn.
        Stupidity? That’s voting for people who call themselves “fiscal conservatives” yet aren’t.

      • OneDeepah

        It always sounds like a great idea to the progressive minded, until they realized they have to pay for it themselves. Just like how all those Walmart employees want to strike since their career only pays $8 an hour. Yet the asshole CEO’s and top business management won’t cut their pay and the customers won’t put up with higher prices to pay for them to feel fair.

    • charleo1

      The answer to your question about a Country spending more than
      it takes in, being stupid is, it depends. And, has all the politicizing
      about it, really been helpful? Especially since Bush wasn’t exactly
      what even Liberals, which are supposed to be these big spenders,
      (but the ledger never backs this up,) thought was being responsible about spending. Even before the banks needed their bailout. But, that’s just it, they did. Should we have spent more than we had taken in, to keep the financial system in the world’s largest economy from collapsing, or not? I mean, they said it would collapse, right? Isn’t it very much then, like having the doctor tell you, you have cancer, but, fighting it will cost more than you’re taking in. So, is spending more than you’re taking in, in that case, stupid? I mean, you might recover spontaneously! Which is what they said about the banks, after they got, “their treatment,” that is. So, I don’t know, do you? Do you think there’s an honest point to be made here? Secondly, as we all know, this all wrecked the Country’s other economy, where most of us work, and pay our bills. So, do you honestly think a balanced Federal budget sheet, would have been the best thing to have, as all these people began to be laid off? Then, as tax revenue would fall, just keep cutting, as the Country closed down? We do after all have a modern Country, with all the bells, and whistles. And, we depend on them, to run our businesses. There’s Law Enforcement to keep order, first responders, to accidents, and what happens to our Courts, and inspections of food supplies, and schools, if local governments, close down? Or, maybe things would have worked out just fine, without all the government back up. But, what if they hadn’t? What if things had fallen apart? Who puts all that back together? And, how long would it take? And how much would that cost? I think that would be a responsible concern, that could very well make spending more than we take in, a non factor. If we care about our Country, and the people in it. I think all the hair on fire rhetoric, with millions of people thrown out of work, two hot wars still going, and all of Bush’s previous spending being counted, right along with all the money the recession cost us in lost tax revenue alone, just hasn’t made any sense. Been stupid even.

  • Patricia Robertson

    They will try it again and they will do it use the ACA again, They still have not learned, they can’t defund, delay, repeal, the only thing they can do is sit down and do is work to improve it, They will have to give up some of their tax revenue and they are going to give it up whether they like it or not, the time has come because it was not to be permante in the first place. They think they are going to bring the president to his knees but they are wrong those days are over, immigrants bills are going to get passed, minium wages bills going to get passed. They going to try another shutdown but it won’t work and 2014 won’t look good for them and 2016 they will be cry the blues for sure. They have push away every group of people they need to vote for them away with words and ways of hatred and racism, until they truly change their ways they will only have a small group of people who they can keep brainwashing to believe whatever they say.

  • Keith

    Most of us Wisconsinites cannot stand this hypocritical POS. His ego never ceases to amaze me. Cannot get enough camera time. Him and Scooter Walker have helped to trash Wisconsin’s reputation. Vote them out fellow Wisconsinites! Any Democrat is better than these two clowns.

  • Anna Rather

    OH I CAN’T FUCKING WAIT TO VOTE THESE FUCKERS OUT! REPUGS SAY THEY ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE UNLESS IT’S TAXPAYERS MONEY, THEN THE REPUGS DON’T GIVE A FUCK!

    • Si Gung

      Don’t hold back. Tell us what you really think.

  • Michael Slattery

    This guy’s face ALWAYS looks like it’s going to implode – sexual tension?

  • surfjac

    “We don’t want nothing out of this debt limit.”
    Interesting placement of the double negative by mr. ryan.

  • OneDeepah

    You all really believe there is a two-party system?

    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.” Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley,Tragedy and Hope.

    Maybe that’s why you view each party’s president and opposite party’s position each election to be hypocritical.

  • Dad

    All I know is Conservatives (not Republicans ) act like responsible adults and believe in smaller federal government and Liberals act like spoiled children that want the Federal government to handle all their individual problems . Just spend whatever it takes so that you Liberals are not offended , right ? You people insist that your messiah hasn’t done anything wrong ( everything is Bush’s fault) and the evil GOP which controls 1/3 of the government is keeping America down just to spite the Democrats. And will there ever be a day that “Rich people” aren’t responsible for keeping you idiots from living ? You always blame the boogyman for your problems instead of looking in the mirror each morning and deciding to do it yourself .

    • Si Gung

      Thank you. We do need more conservative people in congress. November is not far away.