Anyone who follows me on Twitter or Facebook is probably aware that every once in a while I’ll have a debate with a supporter of Donald Trump that stands out in such a way that I’m compelled to turn it into an article.
I do this mainly for three reasons:
- Feeling that a tactic I’ve used to debate Trump supporters was effective, I share it with others hoping they might find use for it as well.
- To put into perspective the type of ignorance we’re up against.
- People seem to enjoy reading them.
That brings me to my latest encounter with a staunch supporter of “The Donald.”
While this debate took place on Twitter, I’m only going to transcribe the exchange we had below to save time (embedding that many tweets would take much longer and overload the page) and because I don’t want people knowing who this person is, finding him on social media, then harassing him in some way. Plus I feel the exchange will be easier for people to follow in a “conversation style” format.
That said, for the sake of trying to keep his identity private, I’ll simply call him “Steve.”
It all began after I posted an article I had just written titled: Here are 5 Republicans Who are Just as Terrible, If Not Worse, Than Donald Trump:
Steve: I actually agree with you on this, all true patriots despise these traitors. They do NOT back 45!
Me: No patriot can support Trump. He’s belittled POWs, attacked Gold Star parents, and banned Americans from being able to serve this country — all while defending an enemy that attacked us and undermining the credibility of U.S. intelligence agencies.
Steve: Not true at all. That’s completely false, where on earth did you get such nonsense?? Show me one SHRED of evidence that proves Russia has anything to do with his win. Just can’t get over it can you.
Me: Why would he bring up info from her stolen emails to attack her unless he felt it was effective at helping his campaign?
Steve: And what do you mean stolen? They were DELETED. Why did she feel the need to delete them? She needs to be in jail. The Russia crap was formed to hurt trump but did NOT WORK
Me: Uh, no. The emails he referenced last year during his campaign published by Wikileaks were from her campaign chairman and the DNC, not the private server she used while she was Secretary of State. Wow, so this entire time you’ve thought the emails Russia hacked were her State Department emails? No, they were from her campaign and the DNC. You should definitely learn a few facts.
Me: So you’re telling me all the times Trump referenced info hacked by the Russians to attack Clinton he did that not thinking it was going to have a negative impact on her campaign?
Steve: Absolutely not it’s absurd to think otherwise. You can’t provide any evidence to support your false claim. Your [sic] not facing the facts here.
Me: So your position is that negative attacks during elections don’t work? You’re kidding, right?
Steve: Did Hillary not attack trump??? It’s politics Allen, people attack people it’s just how it goes.
Me: Of course she did, but guess what? She didn’t use info gained from a Russian cyber attack launched against his campaign to do it. Hence how Russia helped him win.
Steve: So you’re saying he gained info, true info? All of a sudden it’s bad to use the truth??
Me: I’m saying he used information from a Russian hack to attack her — which helped him win last November. Aka, Russia helped him win.
Steve: So you’re saying we should not use the truth/facts in the real world. Great, spoken like a true democrat.
Me: That’s not what I’m saying. I’m using truth/facts to debunk your claim that Russia didn’t help Trump, in any way, win. I’m simply pointing out that he used info gained via Russians hacking the DNC and Clinton’s campaign to attack her during last year’s election — which helped him win.
Steve: So the 60 million people who voted for him did nothing?
Me: No, they voted for him. My point is that I’m certain that some voters were swayed by info gained from a Russian cyber attack he used against her.
Steve: Wow, you think Russia colluded to help trump win? Learn facts.
Me: I know they did. In fact, his son already admitted to that when he agreed to meet with Russians last year trying to get dirt on Clinton. That’s collision.
Steve: No that’s called a business meeting.
Me: Then why was Trump’s campaign manager there? He had nothing to do with Trump’s businesses.
Steve: He wasn’t, Jr. was alone.
Me: No, he wasn’t. Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort were both there.
Steve: Says the liberal who believes in 99 different genders! LOL. Listen to yourself Allen. No evidence to support your claim, all evidence is on my side.
Me: Here’s a link to a Fox News article confirming Trump’s son-in-law and campaign manager were there. Now I await your next fact-free excuse.
Steve: What a load of liberal crap. This doesn’t mean anything, Russia never collided [sic] with Donald Trump.
Me: Now Fox News is “liberal”? I’m sorry that you didn’t know the facts and now don’t want to believe the truth. Why would his campaign manager go?
Steve: Is this supposed to excuse Benghazi or Hillarys 33,000 deleted emails?
Me: Typical Trump supporter, can’t defend him using facts, at leash none that are real or actually true, so you keep bringing up Hillary Clinton.
Steve: Says the liberal that believes there are 107 genders and climate change is real deal! You have no idea how delusional you sound Allen.
Me: Says the guy who thinks the emails Trump referenced during the election were from her private server (they weren’t) and Trump Jr. was alone at the Russia meeting (he wasn’t).
Steve: Uh, they were, and she deleted them. And Kushner is part of the Trump business he’s allowed to be at a business meeting.
Me: The meeting was about giving them dirt on Clinton, Trump Jr. even admitted that. Seriously, get some help, you need it.
Steve: When did he say that? WHEN?
Me: To the Senate, just last week. They promised him dirt on Clinton, that’s why he agreed to the meeting. He literally told the Senate setting up the meeting was worth it to “hear dirt on Clinton.”
Steve: He was trying to see if Hillary would be safe to have as president, so what?
Me: What’s sad is that you actually believe that. Though what’s even worse is I can guarantee that if Trump, himself, admitted that he colluded with Russia you wouldn’t care, you’d just make excuses for him.
Steve: We’re done here Allen this has gone from a peaceful debate to you making threats and using hate speech. Don’t bother watching CNN anymore.
Me: Please seek help, I’m serious.
Steve: That’s enough Allen!
That’s where I stopped responding. Looking back on this exchange, I have no idea why I continued on as long as I did. Normally I have a rule against debating people who are clearly delusional, but for some reason I let it go on. I think part of me was wanting to see if anything I said to this person would change his mind, even if it was just a little.
Clearly that wasn’t going to happen.
Not only did he apparently not know much of anything factual, but even when he was presented with facts, he simply ignored them or made excuses for Trump. As I said to him during our debate, I’m absolutely certain that Trump could admit that he colluded with Russia and supporters like this individual wouldn’t care.
This is why I’ve said Trump’s more of a cult leader than anything else. He’s leading millions of people who don’t care about facts, the truth, or how much they have to contradict themselves in order to defend Trump — no matter what he says or does — they’re going to defend and make excuses for him. That’s why he can attack someone for something (such as Barack Obama playing golf), go out there and do the very same thing he criticized them for, and it won’t faze his supporters because they simply don’t care what he says or does — they’re going to defend and support him.
Sadly, most Trump supporters I’ve dealt with fall in line with the mindset of this individual. I’ve chatted with so many of them who don’t even know basic, indisputable facts that I lost count well over a year ago. I’m not talking about subjective stances on issues, I’m talking about 100 percent, even-Fox-News-begrudgingly-confirms-it’s-true facts — yet they don’t know them and/or won’t believe them.
When you get right down to it, if Trump supporters cared about facts, reality, or the truth — then they wouldn’t be Trump supporters.
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