How Gullible are Conservatives? You Won’t Believe What Had to be Fact-Checked

cartoon-cats-shockedI get that conservatives hate President Obama.  Heck, I live in Texas — he’s despised by nearly every conservative I encounter here.  It’s caused me to avoid political discussions in public.  You’d think that doing what I do for a living I’d talk politics all the time, but that’s not the case in my private life.  Whenever a conservative I meet finds out what I do, I usually avoid discussing politics if possible.  I’ve been down that road before and it’s just not worth the headache.

The asinine “facts” I’ve seen these people spew are often so ridiculous I can’t even properly respond to them because I’m trying not to laugh.  “Did you know Obamacare requires microchips in every American?”  Who honestly would believe such nonsense?

Well, while checking out Politifact, I ran across what might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen them fact-check.  Now I’m not exactly sure what their process is for investigating something, but I’m guessing it requires quite a few inquiries about a particular situation before they take the time to investigate the claim and write their article displaying their results.

So when I saw that they fact-checked a claim that “Obamacare” coding would lead to executions by beheading in the United States — I couldn’t believe my eyes.

Not that some idiots believed this (when you’ve seen as many ridiculous “facts” uttered by conservatives about “Obamacare” over the years, nothing surprises you anymore) but the fact that it was believed by so many people that Politifact took the time to fact-check it was the laughable part.

For the record, it was deemed a “Pants on Fire” lie — their harshest rating for factually inaccurate information.

Granted, I’ve seen conservative friends and family post some really crazy things on Facebook that they believed to be true, but I can’t even wrap my mind around the idea that there were enough people who believed “Obamacare” allowed for execution by beheadings in the United States.  I’ll admit that shocked the hell out of me.

As a liberal, if I read something with a headline that radical (even if it supports my side of the argument), red flags instantly go off inside my head.  The first thing I do is Google the headline and see if any credible sources have reported anything about it.  Then I go to the article itself to see what source they used.   Then, if there’s even a source, I see where the source got their information — which more often than not isn’t cited or sourced at all.  It’s just some blog filled with all sorts of far-right (or far-left) radical articles with no factual basis whatsoever.

It just goes to show how blind many conservatives are when it comes to the Affordable Care Act.  They’ve been programmed to hate the health care law to such an extent that most of them will believe just about any nonsense that flies across their TV screen, computer or smart phone.  But seriously, beheadings?  Absurd doesn’t even begin to properly describe that level of insanity.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Pipercat

    Maybe they misinterpreted a section regarding coverage for circumcisions…

    • Francois Bergeron

      maybe for conservatives, it’s the same thing.

      • trenaherringtonchapman

        Thanks. I just spit Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      that’s priceless

  • Jeffrey Montgomery

    “If you like your health your current healthcare, you can keep it. Period!”

    yeah.. fact check…

    • Angela Walker

      When that’s all you’ve got, Jeffey, you know you have pretty much no case at all. So why bother even commenting? 😀

      • Lori Nicocia

        You took the words right out of my mouth.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        church was not open……………………all he could do

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        Angela: I wish you well… because to get sick now, you’ll end up paying a LOT more than just a few years ago… you know; before the ACA passed.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        im a self pay— make enough and am healthy enough to do so.
        it was for the lower income americans who cant get care
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you imbecile

    • justice4rall

      The insurance company changes their policy to make Obama out to be a liar and you ate it up. Gullible and dumb on display.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Shit it out, gobbled it like cat poop, puked it up and then licked the floor clean like a dog does.

        The Republican regurgitation of disinformation… straight out of Goebbels playbook.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        the Nazis had better looking uniforms,,,,
        ————- and cool tiger tanks!!
        republican tanks??
        (a) Hannity (b) Limbaugh (c) beck (d) huck(ster)abee (e) bolling
        their mantra?
        ” a waist is a terrible thing to mind”

      • regressive teaparty trash

        jeffie is upset that U abuuuused him

    • maxiemom

      Unfortunately, he was dealing with some of the lowest forms of corporate creeps out there, better known as insurance companies, so the president gave them way too much credit. He should have known they’d pull a fast one, which is what they’ve been doing to American consumers for years.

      Only NOW people like you have finally caught on because of the focus on Obamacare. Welcome to the reality that most Americans have been living with for YEARS.

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        So you’re saying that it’s the insurance companies that passed the ACA, and signed it?

        I suppose it’s the dogcatcher’s fault you don’t leash your dog, the truancy officer’s fault the kids skip classes, the park official’s fault the campers left their food out for the bear….

        It doesn’t work like that.

      • maxiemom

        Where did I say insurance companies passed the ACA? CONGRESS passes legislation. Geez, someone should teach you how to read and think when you do it..

        When you give a fox the keys to the hen house, which was done when the ACA allowed insurance companies to still be the handlers of health insurance for the American people instead of going to single payer, or a public option, which most of us would have preferred, it was simply business as usual for them to continue their shoddy business.

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        “he was dealing with some of the lowest forms of corporate creeps out there, better known as insurance companies”

        Apparently, the insurance companies were the ones – in your mind – that had the power to make all this stuff happen… and the poor, innocent Democrats in Congress were all taken by surprise because these “corporate creeps” waylaid them with false information… and their time is so important, they couldn’t do their own research.

        Instead of passing reforms that could have FIXED the system, they broke what WAS working, all while lying about it….

        That was NOT the insurance companies’ doing.

      • maxiemom

        I really, really hate trying to explain the obvious to people like you who fail to use their brains for anything but something to occupy space between their ears.

        The ONLY way they could get the bill passed, they felt, was to go with the ACA using the current system which means going through insurance companies.

        Had they gone with single payer, which would have been the best and most sensible way, the few Republican votes they got would NEVER have gone along with it, and they needed the votes.

        YOU, apparently, need a civics lesson. Go back to school and take one.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        lets cut through the trivial; and get down to the nitty gritty
        ===========================================
        republican ideas for replacement?
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        How about Ben Carson?

      • gian keys flat mom

        excellent!!!! last ‘season” u clowns paraded cretins such as trump/ santorum/ perry/ trump/ herm cain / Bachmann/ pawlenty/Sharon angle/ huntsman – I like him actually–/roemer……….
        how did that work? every week they were atop of the (fox “news” ) polls; then slid back to the mediocrity from where they came.
        carson? he is brilliant as a surgeon; fills the need for ( an attempt) at grabbing black vote and I like how Mr Carson is smart enough to financially capitalize on the stupidity of rightwing white trash to make them HOIPE he runs. he has no political experience( see: herm cain / trump ) and will be destroyed in any primary by true republican politicians.
        Christie wont run; “bridgegate” and hugging Obama killed his chance. ted cruz? PLEASE RUN TED CRUZ!!
        your party is slowly joining the whigs in history; screwed up by becoming the party of aging white trash regressive religious ( see: VOODOO/superstition) who have shown irrefutable evidence of hatred towardes all that is NOT white and “Christina”
        ben carson??? PLEEEEEEEEEEZ DO!

    • bILL

      and why couldn’t you keep. BECAUSE INSURANCE COMPANIES SORT TO DISCONTINUE IT RATHER THAN MAINTAIN IT. PERIOD!

      • Cynthia Gurin

        “Sought” to discontinue it, as in attempted to, not “sort” as in to separate a pile of laundry. Autocorrect is a menace.

      • Mike Williams

        autocorrect is suck because of obamacare…

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        sort?

        And why did the insurance companies drop people? Don’t they want all those people from which to get money to pay for the few they’re helping?

        Ever look at how insurance works?
        Car insurance: You’re betting you’ll be in an accident – the insurance company is betting you won’t.
        Home insurance: You’re betting something bad will happen – the insurance company is betting it won’t.

        And then…

        Health insurance: You’re betting against being healthy for the year; the insurance company, not so much.

        Most pay for the preventative care to help prevent having to pay if you get sick. It’s easier to keep the engine of a car working than to restore it to a functional motor after it’s seized up – the same is true of the human body.

        So when the insurance companies are given stipulations as to what the ACA will allow, whose fault is it that they can’t maintain the same levels you’ve come to enjoy in your choice for insurance? Surely you don’t blame the dealer when the casino changes the minimum bet….

    • Stephen Barlow

      Less than 2 million people will be inconvenienced by their policies being cancelled by the people they pay premiums to. Not 10 million as reported by your indoctrination network @ Newscorp.

      i am still waiting for those exact figures on the 80 million jobs that wil be lost because of the PPACA. Do you have an accurate update on that #? My last accounting was ZERO.

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        By “lost jobs” are you also including the people whose jobs were changed in some fashion? Longer hours for some to avoid hiring more people, cuts for others to avoid the number of “full time” employees…

        Not everyone wants to work overtime… some are forced to.

      • Stephen Barlow

        “Change” and LOSE are NOT the SAME WORD< NOT EVEN THE SAME CONCEPT.

        I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with a man as unarmed as YOU.

        BTW, NO ONE can legally be 'forced' to work overtime. Not even a COP. Retribution for NOT working overtime is strictly a MANAGEMENT decision to punish an otherwise productive and loyal worker.

        HOWdo you think you can have it BOTH WAYS? Cutting/expanding hours…

        You even LOOK like your mother's cousins are apes.

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        You either work overtime, or they’ll find someone else who will…
        That’s forced overtime.

        Some companies do that to avoid hiring more people
        Other companies cut the hours of some and hire others to work, all UNDER 30 hours, so they can avoid paying into 401Ks, or the new ACA laws, etc. etc.

        And yes – I know “change” and “lose” are two different words… but my question was for “lost jobs”, are they counting those who had their hours changed so the company can avoid ACA issues?
        Your cynicism and snide remark doesn’t answer that question.

      • Stephen Barlow

        nOPE!!! FORCED LABOR is what Stalin did in Siberia and Hitler did in the camps BEOFRE he gasse the Jews.

        You have NO IDEA what you are yammering about do you?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        jeff is reading from the regressive rightwing playbook,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        leave jeffie alone until he gets better

      • Stephen Barlow

        Hours changed and jobs lost are STILL two different things!!!! You EVEN ADMITTED you are WRONG and you STILLL insist yon being wrong!!! What a frigging Republican idiot.

        Cutting hours to avoid paying ANY benefits at all is NOT a “PPACA caused event”.

        Are you parents brother and sister? Bet all your grandparents were cousins.

    • Anne Borrone Wirth

      The ignorance of the right, described in the article, on display by Jeff.

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        Oh; that this “ignorance” was bliss….

      • regressive teaparty trash

        that totally explains religious ( see: VOODOO) lemmings

    • surfjac

      How’s the “death panel” working out for ya’?

    • PRIME79

      Yeah, talking about some changes in policies is the exact same as claiming that the ACA will allow executions by beheading in America. And 95% of people can keep their current healthcare, that’s a helluva a lot closer to facts than Iraq has WMDs or “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq after 3 months when the war went on for 9 more years.

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        The “Mission Accomplished” was put up for the crew of the ship – they HAD accomplished THEIR mission!
        It wasn’t put there to say we’d won!
        Get your facts straight – you’ve had over a decade for that one!

    • MyScienceCanBeatUpYourGod

      Those WMD’s gotta be somewhere!

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        They found them, idiot…

        Or haven’t you heard about the attacks on the people in Syria with biological weapons they didn’t have the power to manufacture?

        They also found the manufacturing sites IN IRAQ, but they’d been shut down (with the ability to start them up again with little problem.) David Kay said “We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002.”

        In 2004, we found and removed two tons of low enriched uranium…

        Did you know that a Dr. Mahdi Obeidi, who ran Saddam’s nuclear centrifuge program, handed over blueprints for a nuclear centrifuge, along with some actual centrifuge components, that he stored at his home (a.k.a. “buried in the front yard”), waiting for orders from Baghdad to proceed. He reportedly said “I had to maintain the program to the bitter end.”

        yeah; those missing WMDs …. who knew the whole thing was a “sham” directed to get oil? Oh; except…. where’s the oil?

    • Mo Reno

      Whose signatures were on those cancellation notices? Certainly not Obama’s. I have a hunch they were health insurance execs that cancelled them, don’t you?

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        I suppose your direct supervisor pays your paycheck?
        And you pay the suppliers of all your food directly, not through a third party?

        It doesn’t work like that.
        They passed a law – they are responsible for the repercussions.

      • Mo Reno

        So, months later, you still won’t answer the question, and instead try to deflect. Why?
        Because answering the question accurately involves leaving your purposeful misunderstanding of the facts at the door. Good job.

        One of these days, you’re going to have to take Bobby Jindal’s advice and “quit being the party of stupid.”

      • regressive teaparty trash

        naaaah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, its the only party hes ever been invited to ( and paid to join!!)

      • regressive teaparty trash

        exactly!!!
        just as republicans passed medicare partD ( screwing seniors) and passed tax breaks to wealthy ( see: job creators/lowest job creation on RECORD 2000-2008) and those silly little American killing wars ( afghan ok; Iraq????? pu–leeeeeeeeeeez)
        and im falling in love with regressive white trash OLD “Christian” male legilators TRYING to pass anti abortion laws ,,,, and trying to screw blacks and gays( see: American equality)
        ok!

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        I don’t see how you’re getting anything even RESEMBLING what you’re saying from recent (I.E. last 20-30 years) legislation passed by Republicans/Conservatives.

        They’re not all great… and there have been missteps along the way…

        But to pass a law that requires you buy something? What if that wasn’t heath insurance… let’s say it was a footstool. Everyone in the nation is required to purchase a footstool. All we’d hear is how that’s “disenfranchising” the poorest, the African-American, the seniors…. We’d hear about footstool stores being emptied… price gouging and hikes as the demand rose for footstools before the deadlines… We’d see carpenters quitting because they’re being forced to make sub-par stools due to demands on numbers. We’d see shortages on supplies – screws, nails… we’d hear about shoddy workmanship…..And to top it off, all the “Fat Cats” would be getting richer because they invested in the companies that supplied the materials for the footstools, the shipping trucks to get them to the stores, ….

        But that’s too close to the truth; so you’ll probably come back with some retort about how it’s not the same

      • gian keys flat mom

        (a) hows the aca doing? must be a bit of a thorn to regressives as FOX “news” is quiet ( BENGHAZI!!!)
        (b) ” missteps”?????
        do I really need to -here and now– document the travesties in federal legislation indoctrinated by regressives ( repubs) in the past 25 yrs which has crippled us as a nation???
        REALLY jeff?????

    • Don Stack

      Oh Jeffrey, Jeffrey , Jeffrey……..this 24 year health insurance sales rep is busy laughing at your ignorance. WHO exactly CANCELLED these policies Jeffrey? The insurers could have simply ADDED the required new benefit levels to the current policies…instead they dropped their clients and offered only their highest priced plans as an alternative, hoping either people would drop out and become another company’s problem or suck it up and buy the most expensive plan they offered, without bothering to look at their other choices and plans…by the way, no one has been killed by the phrase “you can keep your plan….” as say opposed to “Iraq has nuclear weapons”.

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        `no one has been killed by the phrase “you can keep your plan….”‘
        …except the people who didn’t have insurance any longer, and were unable to get the care they needed…

      • regressive teaparty trash

        funny how several HUGE medical insurance companies had their CEO’s/CFO’s/COO’s comptrollers on TV 11 days ago and NONE of them said premiums were going up—
        they mustve drank the “kool aid”?

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        Funny that people whose lives depend on the average person being under/misinformed don’t tell the full truth when asked questions that would inform the public.

      • gian keys flat mom

        so- they lied? the CEOS/CFOS lied????
        to quote the sterling inquiry ( see: above) of Jeffrey Montgomery:
        “where is that written/ please provide YOUR source”
        ============================================

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      jeffffy is crying– he wanted to keep hi personalized pampers

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        Crying? No… I’m mad. I’m angry that this insufferable idiot has been allowed to “lead” our nation into the current corruption… The ACA is just part of it.

        They lied to get the public behind it – and still failed.
        They illicitly passed it in a late-night vote, while most of the Conservatives and Republicans were away with their family, leaving few to vote against it.
        They didn’t allow the public to see it in full for enough time (not that anyone would have had enough time to red through all that and be able to make sense, if they had three months!)

        Crying?
        This coming from a self-proclaimed Stooge!

      • regressive teaparty trash

        actually U are correct
        ====================================
        lets all get back FAST to those splendid republican policies ( see: tax breaks for wealthy “job creators” and 2 UNPAID wars/ surplus into deficit/ housing bubble/medicare part D/ eviscerating the post office)
        VOTE REPUBLICAN,,,especially all U women and gays!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        enjoy the Hillary presidency-
        or : should we go back to those wonderful repub policies???

    • boB

      The law allows ANY EXISTING policy to continue; any NEW policy must meet basic requirements. Since upping your rates qualifies as a NEW policy & cannot be grandfathered, your insurance company discards it and lies to you saying this super-expensive alternative is your only option. HOW is that Obama’s fault?

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        Where is that written? Please cite your source…

    • MiMg

      you CAN keep your plan AS LONG as it COMPLIES with the MINIMUM STANDARDS of the ACA!

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        Oh; pray tell… what are those standards?

      • MiMg

        obviously you know nothing about the ACA

      • MiMg

        you know,
        Democrats CREATED Social Security, Unemployment Benefits, Medicare, Disability Benefits, Veterans Benefits, College Grants and Scholarships, Medicaid, Food Stamps, FMLA Family Medical Leave Act, Equal Pay for Women, Employee Rights, Consumer Rights, the list is endless. Guess what? Republicans voted AGAINST ALL of those programs!

    • white trash religious teaparty

      hows that aca success doin’ ya’ now? still crying? or just tithing at some scumbag white trash tax free house of VOODOO( see: church)??
      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, gotta luv regressive crybaby FOX “news” watchers— repeat repeat repeat !!!

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        hurts that much to hear the truth; eh?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, truths such as in spite of regressive republican interference the country has done a SLOW “180” and is getting far far away from the republican policies of past 25 yrs– and especially 2000-2008 ( see: disaster) and now the crybaby religious scumbag rightwing is crying about gays/women/blacks/latins/martians getting equality
        silly aint it? equal rights for ALL americans?
        *********************************************************
        hows the ACA and Benghazi working for you clowns?
        Im getting a free Benghazi T shirt from FOX “news” as soon as they get rid of all the obamacare T shirts

      • Jeffrey Montgomery

        Funny… under all the Republican presidents, there was growth… and under Reagan, we did the 180 and it was a FAST comeback…

        yeah… must be the administration doing all that work… couldn’t be TEXAS and other RED STATES gumming up the works, being all responsible, making lots of jobs, helping the economy….

      • gian keys flat mom

        wow– that would “explain” why nearly ALL repub led states are the ones wanting federal aid MOST ; have the LOWEST income per capita; lowest amount of insured people; worst schooling– and lets really have fun shall we?
        ========================================== in the past 25 yrs please edify me with all federal laws which have helped ALL americans generated by REPUBLICANS!!!! y’know– those responsible for CREATING JOBS: ( please look up AND COMBINE JOB CREATION NUMBERS of saint Reagan/bush 1/bush 2 & compare them to Clinton and Obama. PLEASE NOTE: Reagan/bush boys encompasses 20 yrs; Clinton Obama 14 yrs yet ( I love this) democrats BLOW AWAY repubs in total job creation even as repubs have 30 % more time ( see: 20 VS 14) in years TO do such!!
        I will be civil and NOT bring up those silly American soldiers who got killed and maimed in a useless war in IRAQ or the near destruction of America 2007-2008 financially and home mortgage wise
        ***********************************************************
        shall we bring up republican debt/deficits and crushing spending “surplus / deficit” for a later conversation???
        ” helping the economy”

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        then why 0 why 0 why is regressive crybabies ( you) not still bitching about the 8 million PLUS signups of this ” failure”??
        oh yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ” BENGHAZI”

  • Lyn Hughes

    As a medical biller, the funniest part of this whole thing is that they think “Obamacare” had anything to do with the creation of that international coding system…….

    • Pipercat

      Make them guess what the “I” in, ICD 10 stands for..

      • Autumn V.

        They’d probably say “islamic”

      • Pipercat

        “I”ndeed! 🙂

      • MrLightRail

        In IT, we call it an ID 10T error.

      • Pipercat

        We sure do… 🙂

    • Michael Wylie

      Yea, I have taken Medical Billing courses myself, and have both an ICD-9 and CPT coding books. This is just hysterical. Reminds me of them trying to save the The incandescent light bulb or The bogus claim that Obama is ‘closing’ the Vatican embassy.

      • Doc Jones

        Funny….that light bulb law was started by Rep Fred Upton (R) of Michigan. He was the one behind it.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Eye eye eye yeye

  • Geoffrey Zeger

    Republican thought process: One time, Obama looked at a car while giving a press conference – the car was a Ford – in the past someone driving a Ford hit a pedestrian and the pedestrian died……..therefore the Red HEADLINE is: Obama stated in a press conferences that he wants to make Fords kill people!!!! “Obamacare monstrosity” referring to ICD 10??? Has nothing to do with the ACA. “Obamacare is trying to implement every American citizen under international codes” – once again nothing to do with the ACA!!! Paranoid hyperbolic extrapolations!

  • photogirlpx

    This is part of end times teaching of the conservative Christians, it goes back 20+ years. They believe that during the tribulation everyone will be required to be “marked” with a number (mark of the beast) and that the form of execution to people who won’t take the mark is to be beheaded. This is clearly meant to stir up fear that the world is in or approaching the tribulation,

    • Lorelei Lee87

      I ran across this while reading Christian comic books I shoplifted from the bible book store when in high school. Since it was a comic book it never occurred to me that people flat out believed that crap. As a lifelong fan of Sci/fi I had already read any number of apocalyptic scenarios, and I just filed this information under that category. Recently it has come to my attention that far too many people believe this modern interpretation of the book of Revelations.

      • slickwilly43

        I agree with you on most of the so-called facts put out by right-wing nutcases but I do have to question your belief on interpretation of Revelation. The Bible does indeed refer to people at the end times having the mark of the beast and being beheaded if they refuse to take the mark. That is not fiction from the right. Most serious Bible commentators I ahve read agree with that. But I do not believe we are in those endtime years yet. But it is not hard to believe that someday soon we will all be required to carry some kind of number we will have to use to even buy food. That could mean a chip of some kind but I don’t know that for sure.

      • photogirlpdx

        If that happens, I think it’s a case of self-fulfilling prophecy. The conservatives read it in Revelation and they are trying to make it happen. For awhile they were talking about forcing all illegal aliens to be chipped before they are deported. Also, Revelation almost didn’t make in the bible, not to mention it was written for the people during the times it was written. Plus, the new testament was put together by committee to standardize Christian beliefs and control the people with fear. Currently, it is a guideline for conservative Christians who think if they help these things happen Jesus will return and a way to control people with fear. Something all man-made religions tend to do.

      • slickwilly43

        What facts are you using to back up your contention about how the New Testament was put together?

      • madame48

        Do some reading of numerous biblical scholars..this stuff isn’t a secret you know.

      • axollot

        But Biblical scholars also agree that the John who wrote Revelations was put on an island alone for 25+ years and he was half mad giving the world the book of Revelations. This book shouldn’t even be in the bible but without it there isn’t too much hellfire and brimstone.

        This is not the Apostle John. This was a persecuted Christian who wrote to other Christians that “one day the Romans will get their due.” To latch onto that book is as ridiculous as latching onto Genesis. Ironic that the Christian Right believe the first book to the letter and the last one to the letter and leave out entirely the message of Christ.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        I understand that it barely made it into the “official” Bible. Ironic that this crazy brain storm makes the cut, while the Gospel according to Mary Magdalene, a disciple of Christ, gets tossed in the trash.

      • MBDElf

        The modern bible is the product of the Council of Nicaea, overseen and ‘approved’ by a Roman emperor, SUPPOSEDLY converted…. What does that tell you?

      • cazzy

        Exactly. Plus, people are believing the words of one person, unsubstantiated or witnessed. People can say anything and it’s believed? Paul/Saul, another Jew (I’m Jewish, not making offence, just curious) supposedly had an experience and he is believed and made a saint, his words followed. It’s all so strange to believe the words of someone to this extent. There was a man from South America who said he was Jesus and had/has thousands of followers, possibly even as I type this.

      • MBDElf

        What strikes me is that these ‘ancient gospel writers’ have been taken at face value — Saul/Paul was basically a BOUNTY HUNTER targeting the Jews — while Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, is seen as a flake because he was a con man.

        It’s a BIG reason why I don’t embrace ANY faith that includes these doctrines and dogma.

      • madame48

        Gospels were never meant to be history..they were myths to spread a theological view..changed, forged thru the years. As a kid brought up catholic I never knew the actual evolution of this stuff…and I was angry that my church had lied too me so much.

      • Lyola M Roeske Shafer

        EvevnSt. Augustine tried to keep “Revelation” out and he was mostly in favor of punishments.

      • Bruce Alan Wilson

        Basically, it was a trade-off. The Eastern Church had reservations about Revelation, and the Western Church had reservations about the Epistle to the Hebrews. Although Revelation is in Eastern Bibles, it isn’t included in their Lectionary.

      • madame48

        Constantine was so converted to the ” good” of Christianity, he killed his family( but not his mother, a religious nut who ” found” the current ” sites” and cross and other ” relics” in Judea

      • Bruce Alan Wilson

        It was a little more complicated than that.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        earlier version of regressive old men having a war on woman
        GO HUCK(ster) ABEE

      • Bruce Alan Wilson

        When Martin Luther put out his German version of the Bible, he put James and Revelation in an appendix, separate from the rest of the NT.

      • Joan Hervey

        “serious Bible commentators ” LOL!

      • madame48

        Revelation was about the poison of the Roman Empire …not now…and take a look at the history of the church ” leaders” who were positive the end was near…start with Paul. Amazing what 20 years of studying the founding and evolution of Christianity did for this former catholic. Scientia est potentia.

      • Michael D Barber

        See: Mordor and Darth Vader, same shit, different book.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Ever read Revelations? Personally, I think St. John 1) got kicked in the crotch as a smarmy young man when he tried to lift the wrong skirt, because he has a massive hate on for women and 2) got hold of the wrong plate of mushrooms!

      • retiredli

        As all you non-believers, we will be seeing that day sooner with Obozocare and then explain to our Maker that it is all sci/fi. Why do democrats (liberals) always try to remove God from this country?

      • CharlieAdamsInKY

        Because of fucking idiots like you who are determined to DESTROY this country and the entire human race with your religion.

      • retiredli

        Sorry Charlie, you have things backwards.

      • Lyola M Roeske Shafer

        I mean to say “Lorelie Lee”is on a trip of her own that needs a big insurance policy. God hasn’t issued one for her nonsense.

      • CharlieAdamsInKY

        Not even a little bit. By the way, LIAR, nobody is actually trying to “remove God from this country” – only from the government, where religion never belonged to begin with.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        no he doesn’t—— religion is the worst thing ( history backs me up here) which ever happened to humans
        …………….. second is non medical BOOOOOB–JOBS

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        OK CLASS-lets look up the historical destruction ALL religions have caused mankind thru history! lets begin with christianity

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        amen brother charles

      • white trash religious teaparty

        hey regressive crybaby– we are NOT trying to remove “GOD”————- we are trying to remove VOODOO( see: religion)

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        we aren’t trying to remove GOD—as we cannot define GOD!!!
        we are succeeding in removing VOODOO/superstition ( SEE: scumbag religion,,,especially shitbags who “think” a dried out fisherman/carpenter is GOD)
        GOD is totally cool! Religion is for losers who simply don’t want to think—who need a crutch

      • madame48

        Ah.hahahahaa…we got us an authentic Talibangelical wack job…there is no god but if it makes you happy to belleve in Zeus or Thor or Yaweh, have fun, just stop wrecking the nation the rest of us rational folks live in.

      • zeibodique

        Remove? How can you remove something that does not exist? Other than the Bible (A book of fiction), give me 100% proof that a God existed. You can’t.

      • Bryon Moore

        The bible is a book of historical fact at a minimum. Several archeological sites have been found primarily deriving descriptions from the “work of fiction”. Saying that you want 100% proof that god exists(ed) is not possible as no matter what is put in front of you, you will simply choose not to believe it. Care to try again zeib?

      • Gary Rowland

        The real truth is that the bible is not a book of historical fact. Most of the history in the book of fairy tales is unverifiable.

      • trippinghazard

        If your god wants to destroy the planet because more sick people can get treatment, then I absolutely want him out of my country.

      • I know I am late but it is really worth responding to. But Dear retiredli, if your “God” is as powerful as you say he is than how in the world is man able to take “God” out? OH NOES!

      • Russell Hanson

        Because we support the constitution and you bible thumpers have been attacking it for more then 70 years. 1st amendment requires separation of church and state. This is one nation ( not under God) “we” do not trust in god”. You want a theocracy move to Iran.

      • Me

        One of my favorite books is “Job; A Comedy of Justice,” by Robert Heinlen. I realize I am committing what theological dogmatic indoctrination would regard as a “mortal sin” with my next statement (while outwardly clucking their tongues in dismay and inwardly rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of another heathen infidel headed for a most richly deserved eternal turn in the cosmic barbecue pit) but, I guess shit just happens.

        Robert Heinlen out and out says in hysterical detail what the stories of old and associated theology truly do describe as a capricious, venal, self-absorbed, narcissistic, psychotic martinet (who is also, by the way, omnipotent, all knowing, all seeing, with the memory of an elephant, and loving-don’t forget loving) who wipes out entire populations so somebody else can turn a profit on the real estate, and apparently is the author of the ridiculous notion that infinite torture is a perfect way to point out to errant heathens the error of their finite transgressions whilst tiptoeing through the Garden of Good and Evil. And as the story goes, he was quite serious in his admonition to Eve not to eat the special cookies, demonstrated by the fact that he put the cookie jar on the bottom shelf right in the middle of the garden and left the snake to stand guard.

        About the only news we get regarding Loki, on the other hand, is that oooohhhh, he’s a bad guy and he’s making a fire just for you so you can burn in Hell for all eternity because it slipped your mind to actually try and atone in some for that last time you masturbated while thinking of some random naked person (or group-as you wish) tied up, bent over, and begging you to do the dirty (because he’s the one who tempted you to do the dirty in the first place). In the meantime, Psycho Santa doesn’t actually MIND if you do the dirty, but only under very controlled conditions to be rendered sinless, all of which, when you think about it, takes all of the fun out of doing the dirty. It must have been a practical joke that doing the dirty is rather inconveniently a REQUIREMENT for the survival and perpetuation of the human race.

        I say none of this to indicate that I am in any way an atheist. Atheists can be just as stiff-necked, self-righteous, and judgmental as even the most exalted Southern Baptist, and under certain conditions, even less fun to be around.

        I am a heathen and prefer to take my chances with Loki, in consideration of the evidence from writings dating all the way into antiquity, that the reputed “Prince of Darkness” is probably rather laid back, likes a good party, and doesn’t take the special status so capriciously and vindictively bestowed upon his flaming head too terribly seriously as he’s much too busy enjoying life, minding his own business, and laughing at the absurdities we take so seriously worry about tempting you or me with cookies.

        If you have read “Job: A Comedy of Justice,” you know exactly what I’m talking about. If you haven’t, don’t bother as you are already pissed off about enough crap that you think you’re supposed to regard as abomination that you don’t need the aggravation of having to pissed at something else.

        In a nutshell, I’m not calling it sci/fi, I’m calling it bullshit. And, if it happens to be even a little bit true, then it is unjust, illogical, asinine bullshit from a creator who apparently really did create mankind in his own image.

        And, now that I’ve managed to alienate believers AND atheists, I think I’ll go take a nap. That’s a lot of work to accomplish with it not even noon yet.

  • Stephen Barlow

    666 was Reagan’s #. he was supposed to be the Antichrist. Did that actually exist before America was a nation ‘under one god’?

    About the RED Scare, RED Menace. RED horde… If they’re repeating it, it WON’T fact check.

    • Don Stack

      I recently read that the (original) “mark of the beast” was actually the # 616….evidently there’s a typo in someone’s bible.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Do you know how many ‘typos’ must have been scribed into the 1300 years of hand copied texts the King James version was scripted from?

        Did you know that the sole purpose of the KJV was to qualify the succession to the throne of James I, just as the begats in the bible somehow “prove” Jesus is of Davidic lineage?

        Did you know that most of the New testament has been plagiarized from earlier scriptures? Isiah begat Daniel begat Ezekiel begat… Revelations.

        All to “prove” that prophesies ‘came’ true. Where do you think the script idea for the Wizard of Oz came from? it is all about the magnificent charade of god.

  • Jo Clark

    They thrive on this crap. The gorier and more horrid, the better. It’s disturbing.

  • Lori Nicocia

    I’m surprised they didn’t rate it “mostly false”

  • Mark Wilson

    I think they watch too many movies about the rapture…There is one movie where someone is beheaded because she refused to take the mark of the beast. I’m sure some of them think that Obama is the anti-Christ…

    • Lorelei Lee87

      I’ve seen people making comments to that affect on conservative, and “christian” webpages, and blogs.

  • David Watson

    Maybe they got confused by what a bris was, and was thinking with the other head.

  • hegesias

    For the record, it is not only conservatives who despise Obama.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      correct— seems all white trash hates him as they cannot stomach a black man– smarter and more eloquent than they are– being BOSS

      • hegesias

        Yeah, I must be a racist if I disagree with his policies. Yet I would vote for Cornell West in a heartbeat. Fuck you.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey stoooopid— that’s not what I wrote: what I wrote is that ALL WHITE TRASH hates a brilliant black man as the boss,,,I did NOT write ALL WHITES hate him. U must truly have a difficult time with reading comprehension. I don’t agree with all his policies ; I however know he is a very good president considering the crybaby republican liars will not help him clean the wreck the republican trio of clowns ( Reagan/bush 1/2 cheney) caused)

      • Thomas Milligan

        That other great ‘Liberal’ Bill Clinton had a hand in it too, ending “welfare as we know it” and caving on the abolition of Glass-Steagal, which enabled The Money to turn Wall Street into a total casino and wreck the economy. This whole system is rigged to ensure The Money gets what it wants and rest of us get screwed. As far as The Money is concerned, we’re all “trash.”

      • white trash religious teaparty

        gonna agree that the entire system is rigged—————– however we as a nation are forced to “vote” in elections: so I inquire— would U rather have a democrat who will TRYT to help ALL americans ( somewhat) or some tea party liar ( PRAISE JEEEEESUS) who only helps wealthy white people?

      • Thomas Milligan

        I do my duty every Election Day, go out and vote against every Republican I can find. But so many of the Democrats are so complicit. I’ll carry to my grave the regret that I didn’t vote last time for Jill Stein, who was out protesting bankster fraud while the “Liberal Democrat” was raking in big bucks at some campaign fundraiser.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        im with ya,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but the dems collectively are not as bad–by FAR– as the regressive JEEEESUS -toting crybaby republican tea party trash

      • MBDElf

        Wow, guess you resent being called ‘white trash’, too; strike close to home? Just roll it a few feet, and you’ll be OK.

      • Thomas Milligan

        Yeah, my critique comes from the left also. Not that he deserves the racist bullshit he gets daily; but he has used the authority Bush asserted to execute American citizens without due process, ignored the fraud of the banksters who wrecked the economy, done nothing to undo the repeal of the Bill of Rights under the Patriot Act, stepped up the drone warfare and the persecution of whistle-blowers, etc. etc. etc. He’s a tool of The Money through and through, but that’s how you get to be President. Anyone who knew anything about his voting record in the Senate shouldn’t have been surprised. But he does give a nice speech.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        hey idiot————–
        its COLONEL west: and he lasted ONE TERM as he was deemed insane by his constituents
        nice choice—– perhaps joe walsh or ruch Limbaugh?

    • Stephen Barlow

      Not all conservatives dislike or even disagree with the Obama jobs and Recovery Construction agenda. Many know it is the only way to dig the nation out of the recession quickly and efficiently. JP Morgan even wrote a personal check to cover the cost of the recovery rom the bank Panic of 1878.

      I mean if the REDS cant even respect the lessons of their one true god, JP Morgan… you must admit they are a rather faithless bunch of frauds.

  • Little_Tin_God

    See, that’s the problem! As a LIBERAL you are BOUND to investigate and search out the truth! As a CONSERVATIVE, you are only bound to believe immediately!

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      love your post; love your username!!!!

    • Michelle Rhoades

      I said almost exactly the same thing to someone yesterday and the only response I got back was “Please…spare me.” (Notice the ellipses.) I think that illustrated my point nicely.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        the favorite exercise of regressive white trash “Christian” tea party scum is sets of rolling their eyes ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        remember: all THEY wanna do is BELIEVE
        …………..NOT investigate

      • Bryon Moore

        Case in point; See the above post. Nothing investigaed there.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        check your jejune spelling b4 attempting aspersions
        ======================================
        we love LOVE love crybaby white trash regressive religious scum

    • DME

      well you’re bound by a prefabricated lockstep belief system when you’re a conservative.

  • Hadafakaya

    The set up from repeated lies about the ACA is to attach every downturn in the economy to Obamacare. The prophecy of job killing, unemployment, inflation, rising costs will be ignored if false and waved about any time it occurs.

  • CaptainAndy

    Try driving in Texas with a “Veterans for Obama” bumper sticker. Screaming, yelling, one-finger gestures, even one poorly-thrown can of liquid that hit other cars. It’s like having an American flag on my window in Soviet-era Moscow.

    • CharlieAdamsInKY

      Shoot back.

      • white trash religious teaparty

        superglue their locks

  • stabby_kat

    Who would have thought the saints that work for insurance companies would be so dishonest.

  • buckmeister2

    What is amazing is that any of you people believe the crap this person wrote. “They” did not fact-check anything remotely like this. What it was is the punchline of a joke, excerpted by the author of this article. It is no wonder “they” and you do not get along, with garbage like this being taken as truth

  • Joshua Durant

    The thing is that they don’t believe it deep down. But politics has a winner/loser, us vs them mentality that is reinforced by politicians an people naturally have such a strong aversion to being on the “losing” side that they get delusional and will grasp at anything. It is the reason why most discussions about polarizing topics turn into name calling and insults.

  • Bonny Dennis

    I find it highly amusing to confront them. Just insist they give you specific reasons they do not like the ACA. (They can’t). The same applies to specific things President Obama has done that they do not like.they are so filled with hatred and bigotry they do not realize the actually cannot name anything!

  • greenpixies

    I came across this blog post as a link that one of my friend’s on Facebook posted so I’m not trolling but I’m compelled to offer some actual conservative perspective since it seems to be lacking here. I have never, ever heard a conservative say they believe the ACA will lead to microchips or beheadings. Never! And I run in conservative circles. Granted, there could be a looney toon out there that believes this but the ‘many’ and ‘most’ jargon that’s used here is vastly inaccurate! Also, I can name several things I don’t support about the ACA and I could name them quickly and off the top of my head. Namely, the unconstitutional individual mandate. I did not agree with Pelosi’s philosophy that “we need to pass the bill so that we can find out what’s in it” Also, the philosophy of forcing the young/healthy to pay for the old/unhealthy under the guise that it will make premiums more affordable. The philosophy that the government is more qualified and enlightened to manage the healthcare industry. The philosophy that healthcare is a right. Not to mention, the, dare I say, lie that if you like your health insurance plan you can keep it. The less the government is involved in one’s life the better.

  • MLR

    What I don’t understand is why liberals continue to think that the lies conservatives spread and believe are laughable. I used to think that way because I used to think that they’re so crazy out there that nobody will listen to these freaks…until President Obama came along. Now I hear right-wing craziness repeated even among friends and family that consider themselves Democrats and who I once thought they were too sane to believe half the bullshit that right-wingers spew. Almost everyone I know was complaining about “Obamacare” even though most of them have insurance and nothing has changed for them. Even my own sister who voted for the president twice was complaining until I reminded her that her daughter has a pre-existing condition and thanks to Obamacare she could not ever be refused insurance,,,ever. That shut her up real quick. But the point I’m trying to make is that we should not dismiss these people and just laugh. There’s a saying that goes “If you repeat a lie enough people will believe it”. This is so true.

    • CharlieAdamsInKY

      They’re laughable in their *content*. That’s all. Beyond that, you’re dead on, we can no longer ignore these lunatics.

  • ed rosa

    As a libertarian with many conservative (and liberal) friends, I’ve never heard of this unless some well meaning lefty made it up to show how stupid the religious conservatives are.

  • Ed Rudy

    Thank you, Allen Clifton! Your intellect, journalistic and research abilities and very presence helps to restore the glow to poor Texas’ tarnished extremist right wing anti-US government reputation. – Ed Rudy

  • Cathryn Sykes

    Maybe they read somewhere that cows that die of what might be mad cow disease need to have their heads cut off and their brains autopsied and did what the GOP so often does…make a few substitutions. Like “human” for “cow” and drop the part about mad cow disease. So…humans have to get their head cut off if they get sick!

    After all, they turned a mandate for government to PAY THE FEE if a senior wanted to talk to a doctor or lawyer about end-of-life issues like creating a living will….into a mandate to force seniors to talk to government bureaucrats about ending their lives…i.e. the infamous “death panels for Grandma.” I had a woman swear that this was actually in the ACA bill…’cause she’d read it!

  • MBDElf

    It’s SO tragic that there’s not a “Reservation” for ignorant bible-thumpers. This crap stems from the limited eschatology of Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, of “Left Behind” fame, whose prose has been taken all too literally by folks who believe Obama is the AntiChrist. According to the ‘authors’, the book of Revelation promises this in the future, when suddenly the bible assertion that “No man knows the day and hour of His Coming” will expire, and we will have a seven-year countdown calendar to go by.

    Those books were well-written and fairly entertaining (yes, I read them), but are PURE FICTION, and just because they are faith-based does not give them any more of a grip on reality. People who have been referred to as “holding onto their guns and their bibles” need to hold on to their place in line at the mental health clinics. OH WAIT — the GOP has deemed them unconstitutional, as they violate the 2nd Amendment.

  • retiredli

    If taxes have to go up to cover healthcare, why not just increase the taxes on those registered democratic and see if they still think it is a great idea. Why are Drs. complaining about this “affordable healthcare”? Maybe they know something we don’t. The president and congress have proven they don’t know anything about it.

  • Curtiss Mc Adams

    I live in Fort Worth and unlike Mr. Clifton, I irritate conservative idiots for sport, most likely in my favorite pub if somebody says something completely asinine. I actually enjoy sharpsticking a conservative into saying something stupid.

    • white trash religious teaparty

      sharpsticking>? that’s like hunting a bowl-bound goldfish with a bazooka

  • Joy Livingston

    everybody is trying to figure out why we bought the guiolitines we don’t execute 30,000 a year so if they are used only once they still will have bought and paid for extra with your tax dollars i personally would like to know the names on the order and what is there purpose

  • SheltieJim

    Let’s get a grip, people. This is Republicanism as usual, the “new normal”. They’re doing what they always do — projecting onto others the very things that they themselves do. They assume that, because they want to force everybody to have “a number” (current government-issued ID with picture) in order to exercise constitutional rights, liberals must also want to force everybody to have microchip. Because they want Obama to be assassinated, preferably in some very violent manned (such as beheading), that progressives also plan to behead everybody who disagrees with them.

  • D_from_Tennessee

    Bravo Allen Clifton. Thank you for pointing out how absurd politics has become.

  • RosemaryPeppercorn

    They believe it because they can imagine doing it to those who don’t agree with them. It has a biblical ring to it.

  • fairmont66

    Forrest Gump:
    Stupid is as stupid does. that should be mantra of today’s conservatives!

  • Shreck

    thanks, I have to look things up all the time. President Obama said this, he said that, he’s carrying a book written by a Muslim that is anti-American, all of his advisors are _______. And then I post the correct versions and no one pays attention. Sigh.

  • scwill

    I just read this after finding it through a Google search ‘conservatives avoid discussions’. I feel your pain. Trying to discuss current issues with my conservative friends has become as useless as debating religon.

  • theoldsheepherder

    Seriously….They’re gonna do it in Oklahoma…with a 2×4….should take about 14 months.

  • shloemoe .

    I fart in their general direction

  • Humma Kavula

    As a meme I have on my Facebook page says (with Moe of the Three Stooges as a focal point): “Ever read a post so stupid….. That you wish you could reach through the screen and bitch-slap the poster”?

    Stupid is as stupid does, of course. But stupid should clearly be banned from the internet.

  • Donni Slater

    I thought this was going to be about sprinkle-gate….

  • BkDodge42

    It seems that it is not just conservatives that seem to believe every ridiculous article they see. To believe that only conservatives believe everything they see in of itself seems to be a ridiculous title that those on here seem to be responding to in the same way that liberals are claiming that conservatives do.