I’ve Had It With the Radical “Religious” Right

jesusfacepalmI’ve reached a point with these religious fanatics that I can’t tolerate their ignorance any longer.  I’m sure you know the people I’m talking about — those who claim to be “followers of Christ” yet do nothing of the sort.

The people who live awful lives and are terrible people — yet claim to be “good Christians” simply because they go to some church that tells them what they want to hear.

But when it comes down to these people and their “Christian values” the only thing “religious” that they really believe in is:

  • Going to church
  • Opposing homosexuality
  • Thinking abortions are wrong

And that’s it.  Millions of people who claim to follow a faith based on three beliefs.  Because what else do they follow?  They support a political party that cuts funding for the poor, opposes universal health care, vilifies the needy and would rather spend money on bombs than on food for the hungry.

They cite Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, while caressing a semi-automatic weapon designed to inflict maximum and often deadly damage on another human being.  Somehow, I just don’t think a modified AK-47 would be “Jesus approved.”

And if these people want to continue to call themselves “pro-life” it’s time they start acting as such.  Supporting wars, guns and bragging about their state using the death penalty — all while opposing programs that feed the poor, help impoverished children and would give low-income Americans health care, is the exact opposite of “pro-life.”

Because while these right-wing politicians do all they can to infringe on a woman’s Constitutionally protected right to an abortion, claiming that they’re protecting an innocent child’s life, they’re simultaneously supporting bills that would cut funding for health care and food assistance to millions more children who are already here and in need.

The word “hypocrite” doesn’t quite cover this kind of reprehensible behavior.

Then many base a large part of their “Christianity” upon a rejection of homosexuality.  I’m sure glad Jesus spoke at length about his disdain for homosexuality.

Oh wait — he never spoke about homosexuality.

Why the hell do these people care so much anyway?  Outside of some form of infidelity, when has any kind of consensual sex between adults ever had an impact on anyone’s lives except those involved?

The root of this problem lies in their ignorance about homosexuality being a choice.  They really think people who are homosexual chose to be that way.  Why would millions of people choose to be something that’s often degraded, judged and denied basic human rights?  And if sexuality is a choice, wouldn’t we have more bisexuals instead of homosexuals?  Wouldn’t it make sense that more people would choose both instead of just one particular sex?

And if you believe sexuality is a choice, then you believe being straight is a choice.  Yet I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who can recall the moment they “chose” to be a heterosexual.

Then of course we have their support for economic policies which clearly favor the rich.  Honestly, name one key economic stance Republicans have stood for which didn’t directly benefit the rich and “theoretically” help everyone else?

Didn’t Jesus warn against greed?  I believe he said, “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Yet, here Republicans sit, the party of the “Christian moral majority” convincing millions that people like the Koch brothers need tax breaks — but we need to cut middle class public jobs.

They’re simply not affordable.

I wonder which plan Jesus would support:

  • Giving men worth tens of billions of dollars more.
  • Cutting thousands of middle class public jobs Americans desperately need.

Sadly, millions of Republicans actually believe that Jesus would support giving more to the rich.  Are these people insane?  Honestly for many, I think they’re pretty darn close to it.

After all, isn’t it insanity to create an alternate reality where Jesus Christ, someone who symbolizes charity, love, hope, forgiveness, acceptance and tolerance, is “worshiped” by people who harness such hate, fear, judgement and aren’t tolerant of anyone but those just like themselves?

Oh that’s right, they “hate them gays, pro-abortion folk and go to church every Sunday” — that makes them real Christians.

Spare me.

These people are absolute hypocrites.  They don’t know the first thing about that which Christ lived and died for.  The only thing they know is what they’re told in whatever church they attend — which is filled with hypocrites just like them.

Now I’m not saying all Republican Christians fall into this category.  But it seems a growing number of them do.  And it’s these people who make any sensible Republican look insane.  Hell, these people make true Christians look insane.

Right-wing radicals who base their whole faith on just three “values” — church attendance, their stance against homosexuality and not supporting abortions.

Just don’t ask them to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless or clothe the needy — you know, some of the key values for which Jesus actually stood.

To them, that’s not Christianity — that’s “evil socialism.”

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.


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  • Beth

    These same people also believe that the founding fathers of the US wanted this to be a Christian nation.

    • There are a lot of people that confuse the Declaration of Independence with the U. S. Constitution. The DoI was a letter to King George III declaring the intent of the colonies to separate from England. It’s intent was a lot different from the foundational Constitution for the new country. There is no mention of God, Jesus, Savior, etc., in the Constitution. The only thing close was the use of the word Lord in the signatory section where the date was traditionally written as “The Year of Our Lord…” etc. To this day we understand our calendar as being A.D. which stands for Anno Domini, which means The Year of Our Lord. More recently CE, Current Era, is being used instead of AD.

      • jdubhub68

        Others confuse cherry-picked, often falsely attributed quotes of the Founders with the Constitution, particularly around the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        Yeah, that is the David Barton version championed by Mike Huckabee. They even try to market that history to schools & put it out in the form of cartoons. Nothing makes a Unitarian Universalist madder than this inane & false characterization of the founding fathers as “Christian”….most of the founding fathers didn’t believe Jesus was divine nor the son of God….guess Barton missed Jefferson’s re-written version of the new Testament…..

      • Vicki Brown

        There’s no need for confusion. The DoI mentions “Nature’s God”, also “the Supreme Judge of the world” and “the protection of Divine Providence” (which, I understand, was not part of Jefferson;s original work.

        Nowhere does it mention Christianity or any other specific religion.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        I believe the word Creator was also used, but again, very carefully chosen. Not Christ or Jehovah or even God.

      • Guest

        If there was a Creator, logic says there was only one Creator. So that would mean that there is only one right answer. I pray that you open your heart to the Savior who is the only answer. Your eternal destiny depends on it.

      • Kelli Hernandez

        I think the only one who can determine one’s eternal destiny is God. No one else has a right to go there. It’s unhealthy and pathological to put God into a box.

      • nosleepma

        Seriously?! Whose logic says there is only one creator? and don’t tell me it’s God’s logic, either, because then I’m just going to have to ask you which God.

        Every belief system has their own “creator” The word “Creator” is used but there is in no way a reference to it being the Christian “Creator” than it does the Taoist “Creator.”
        And please keep your opinions about the “eternal destiny” of Cathryn and everyone else to yourself. They get to make that decision; they don’t need you trying to scare them.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Thanks, nosleep, but the hellfire and damnation crowd have never scared me…..except when they try to pass laws that violate the separation of church and state. I tend to scare them sometimes though. I live surrounded by “saved” Southern Baptists, some of whom think that because they’ve been dunked in a tub and taught to chant “JesusIsMyLordAndSaviour”–all as one word, you understand–that they have a rock-solid, can’t-be-cancelled ticket to Heaven. I have to point out to them that Christ didn’t say, “If you are born again, you will go to heaven.” He said, “No man can go to Heaven unless he be born again.” Which means it’s a MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, not a guarantee!

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Logic? How does logic say that there was only one creator? Many faiths throughout history have believed in many creators. And if you are going to believe in something that can’t be empirically proven and isn’t even universally believed, you can’t start claiming that logic is your proof. As for my eternal destiny, I’m of the opinion that when I die, I’ll be like a candle flame when you blow the candle out….in other words, I’ll simply cease to exist. Unlike most people, who simply can’t face the idea that they might simply flicker out, the idea of dying–simply no longer existing– doesn’t scare me a bit. It obviously scares you and people like you, since you work so hard to believe in an “afterlife”….and insist that everyone else believe it too.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      Yep. Having never lived in a country with an “official” religion, they have no idea what that means. I have to tell them that when we were a set of English colonies, anyone who was a Baptist, or Methodist or Jew or Catholic….i.e. anything but Church of England….had to pay a percentage of their income as a tithe for the support of their local Anglican church, even if they never went there. They also could never get a job that involved any kind of authority…teacher, post master, army officer, government official…unless they were Church of England. They were definitely second class citizens.

  • CINO Christian in name only.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      Truly! I’m like Gandhi, who famously said, “I admire your Christ. I just wish more Christians were like your Christ.” When you see the constant, mean-spirited, kick-’em-when-they’re-down attitude of so many on the right, who would love to ignore the hungry, laugh at the naked, kick the sick to the curb to die and jail the stranger–you have to wonder what Gospels they read, because those certainly are not the teachings of Jesus.

    • lword

      In the same vein as people saying that they don’t want others abbreviating Christmas, Xmas, because it “takes the Christ out”, I’ve started calling them xtiains, since I see no evidence of Christ in them..

      • Clint McInnes

        “Xmas” is an exceedingly ancient abbreviation that was used by the early Church. There is nothing insulting or un-Christian about it.

    • Rolf

      I use the word “church-goer” myself.

  • Bob

    Something that’s always driven me crazy is how I can hear people in my classes talk about how homosexuality “violates Christian sexual morality” and then immediately switch to bragging about their drunken one night stand with someone they had never met before that night. I’m pretty sure the REAL violation of Christian sexual morality is the second one, not the first.

    • Kelli Hernandez

      I see this a lot too. Much of the fundamentalist spew is projection. Whatever a fundamentalist says, ‘flip it’. chances are they’re doing it themselves and have huge sexual hang ups of their own. I work with survivors who have been spiritually abused and there is more than you know and they all talk the same way.

      • buricco

        I’ve noticed the fundies who rail at “teh gheyz” the most are deepest in their own closets, like Ted Haggard was.

  • Andrew Miller

    This article achieves what, exactly? Step outside the echo chamber and talk to people before you put labels on them.

    • buttercatz99

      Uh ya, I already have. You have to do the same. People are getting radicalized just like Islam. I had friends that would obsess over the things in this article and actually feel they are better than other people because they are Christian. They think Jesus would carry a gun, they think Jesus would be prejudice against “the gays”. It’s out of control.

    • jdubhub68

      You seem to be of the belief that religious conservatism is so great that nobody would ever want to leave. Speaking for myself, I was a Reagan Republican for 24 years and I have first-hand experience in what this article says because I used to believe it. Now, I am a registered Independent aligned with Progressivism because I know the difference between the two.

      • Andrew Miller

        See what you did there? You made an assumption before knowing anything about me. I dislike religious conservatism, but this article does not constructively argue against it. It is a bullshit escalation of rhetorical war that only encourages us to dig in rather than reach out. Nobody bothers to know anyone anymore. We just quickly label each other and attack. It’s like an autoimmune dysfunction.

  • buttercatz99

    I have abandoned friends who have become radical Christians. I don’t want my children exposed to them. Guns, Hate and Prejudice are not Christian values, but they think they are.

    • CandraRain

      I, too, have either limited or eliminated contact with the few radical Christians I know. Their zealotry is extremely disturbing and borders on unhinged. I believe absolutely it is a mental disorder.

      • buricco

        Oh, certainly. Though perhaps it’s the symptom and not the disease.

  • davidsherr

    The Christian religion sure has improved since that “turn-the-other-cheek/love-thy-neighbor nonsense.

  • Peter

    I stand in the middle, because the left and right are wrong. We need to have drug tests for welfare applicants because we need to get these addicts in rehab, and off the streets, not leeching the system and using welfare to do krokodil! We need English language fluency tests so that everyone in the country speaks the same language! pride in your heritage is one thing, but it’s a different matter when you start talking gibberish in another language and the people around you don’t know what you’re saying because you are literally speaking in a different language.

    We also need to also consider that the wealthy have leeched too much from the poor as it is, and the wealthy top 1%% are just out to kill off the rest of the world expecting the 99% to be wealthy on hard work. Minimum wage sucks, and cutting it back makes it terrible on the economy!

    The big banks have butchered our economy for malevolent aims, their plot to take our country through debts that really doesn’t matter a damn.

    Last I checked, on the religious rites, Jesus was more “You’re gay? I forgive you, I don’t mind that you’re gay, just try to keep the details behind closed doors or some bigot might hurt you”, and that was it, that was I think ALL Jesus had to feel on the subject of homosexuality! No big “God hates fags” bullshit! Jesus was the forgiving type, and vouched for you in heaven if you helped even a few people in life!

    Abortions? If you aborted a pregnancy, you best have a good reason.

    Were you raped? No need to let the rapist have control over the rest of your life! Rapists should be castrated and locked up!

    Was the pregnancy because of incest? Abort the pregnancy(given it wasnt born yet), and put both siblings in a re-education center to teach them why the bible they claim to have read cover to cover CONDEMNS INCEST! Inbreeding leads to vulnerability to diseases getting worse and worse as the generations continue to inbreed! Birth defects start to surface worse and worse until the fetus emerges looking like a maggot with limbs sticking out of random places they shouldn’t be! The last step is STERILITY, Lets also note the worst and most common degenerating effect of inbreeding which is the fact that the progressing generations all become less and less capable of cognitive thought, and they become psychotic! Abort incest pregnancies to prevent the unwanted abuse the world would press on that child!

    I the pregnancy threatening the life of the mother? If this is the case, there ARE alternatives! In today’s modern world, you can carry a child, and prematurely birth it by a Cesarean section! The prematurely born fetus may have trouble surviving out in the open, even in an incubator, but when the child grows strong enough, their story will be a tale of hope to inspire others around them! This is a subject I cant find much merit in.

    If you’re unable to have children because your uterus is badly damaged from a disease or something, but you still have working ovaries that produce eggs, you can have your “ladies” and your husband’s “gentlemen” meet in a petri dish, in vitro fertilization, and even go the step further to have a loved one, a relative carry the baby to term for you!

    My grandfather tells me about how his own grandfather told him that God is EVERYWHERE, so you don’t really need to go to church.

    The things I took from my faith are the following.

    1: Be good to as many people as you can! God is watching, and your good deeds will be rewarded in due time.

    2: Redemption is as short as an immediate apology, and as long as a lifetime of commitment! It may take you the rest of your life, or even a few seconds, but in time almost everyone can be forgiven! Those who are truly evil will suffer in hell forever!

    3: God and truth are waiting for those who seek them out! If you go waiting for someone to tell you how something works, you’re not really deserving of that knowledge. Finding the truth is a journey with an end you may not wish to see, but even if you don’t live to see it’s end, someone will learn from your experiences, and hopefully find the truth themself, and credit you for your hard work which will bless you in the end.

    4: Stand up for truth and righteousness! Don’t just say it!

    5: Politicians can NEVER be trusted, and it’s better to pick a poor man on the street in a position of power than a politician or a wealthy businessman!

    6: You’ll know when God is pissed when the world starts to suffer! If rivers turn red, and we see fire raining from the sky, it’s clear God isnt happy, if the wealthy keep ignoring the plight of the needy, then you have no alternative but to get violent!

    7: It is the God-given right of ALL Sentient people to take up arms and fight! The constitution of the United states trumps ALL things, and the second amendment is required, as is the arming of ALL law-abiding citizens to protect their homes and families! For when all people are armed, a ceasefire truce is initiated and people no longer consider combat as the means to end war. Peace prevails when the people are all armed, and not subjected.

    If these points are too difficult for you to understand, then you need to do some searching to find this as the infallible and irrefutable truth.

    • Brenda Porter

      While I agree with some of your points, there are a couple I strongly take issue with. The 2nd Amendment does not require me to arm myself with anything. As long as there is intolerance, injustice, apathy, and hate, there will never be peace. And, statistically, the percentage of people using illegal drugs, who apply for assistance is about 2%. In the general population, the percentage is closer to 6%.

      • MrLightRail

        I tuned him out at the mention of re-education center.

    • jdubhub68

      Wait, the Bible speaks out against incest? What punishment did Lot’s daughters receive for getting daddy drunk and having sex with him after his wife was turned into a pillar of salt?

      As for the rest of your cherry-picking, I am not going to trade one tyrant for another, particularly another one who cherry-picks the Bible to rationalize a political agenda that would make Iran look like Somalia.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Ah, but Jdub, nothing is more important than the sacred seed! Lot was an old coot with no son–daughters don’t count!–and so his daughters got him drunk and slept with him so the bloodline wouldn’t die out! Pure altruism on their part! Honest! Go read it!
        A man’s seed is so precious in the Old Testament that spilling it out on the ground is a serious offense. “No masturbation for you!” So precious that if a man dies, his brother has to marry his wife, and the first son from that union will count as the child of the original marriage.
        So precious that although the Old Testament is full of lengthy pedigrees consisting of “E, the son of D, the son of C, the son of B, the son of A” mothers are rarely mentioned. Because women are just walking wombs, don’t you know? Just incubators. All characteristics of a child, indeed life itself, comes from that sacred seed! (No one knew about the ovum until fairly recently.)

    • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

      Peter, only 2% of those tested in FL were on drugs. They didn’t offer them rehab, just took the welfare away. Meanwhile, those tested had to pay for their own tests. The state had to reimburse them & it cost the state more to do so than it would have just to pay the welfare. SNAP benefits also gone…SNAP can only be used for food & it can’t be sold or bartered- so those druggies who had children, their children starved. I can’t say that these people need to be treated & be in rehab, they do; but the facts are that the states who institute these programs are not going to put them in rehab.

      Have you tried taking a citizenship exam? They aren’t easy & I would imagine that many US citizens today wouldn’t pass because it involves knowing more than just who the last person on survivor is & who won dancing with the stars & what latest tragedy happened to one of the Kardishans. It asks questions about Supreme court justices. It asks about geography. It asks about documents. It asks about branches of government & their powers…. Judging by comments some people make, they couldn’t answer these if they tried.

      I agree with some of your points & I strongly disagree with others. A woman should be able to choose to have an abortion – no matter what the reason is. It is her choice because she is the one who ultimately has to deal with the end result. It should be up to her, her doctor, her family & anyone else she chooses to help decide. No government & no religion should have any say whatsoever in the decision.

      Just as those are YOUR opinions, these are MINE.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        I’m willing to bet that 90% of native born Americans under the age of 50 would fail the citizenship test. They used to teach “civics” in our public schools. But I imagine that’s been dumped so that teachers will have more time to “teach to the test.”

    • Cathy Baumgardner

      Hmmm so you think that anyone who needs to get some help from public welfare or use food stamps is a druggie? Personally I think every Congressman/woman, Senator and public employee should be drug tested also. After all we are providing them with a golden health care plan, huge offices, transportation, expense accounts and pay for not even showing up to do their job. Just because someone is poor or down on their luck does not automatically mean they are druggies. There are many, many rich people who are druggies and what excuse is there for them? How many millionaire actors and actresses and others died from drug over doses?

      • Kelli Hernandez

        TRUE THAT! I’m also on food stamps, have applied for disability because I’m a survivor of severe and chronic abuse at the hands of psychopaths. I live with illnesses I would otherwise not have had as a consequence to the abuse.I also have PTSD and I’m definitely NOT a druggie, nor are the many survivors who have survived abusers. Now I help others who have been so hurt. Be careful what you ‘assume’ or buy into with your ignorance Peter.

    • Kelli Hernandez

      Excuse me, Peter, but you sound like a narcissist. Have you been diagnosed?

      Either that or the bullshit you’re spewing here is what you’ve readily bought from the extreme christian right who have fueled what was already there with all of that hate. The sociopathic government exploits your ignorance so that you’ll believe that all poor people are sucking off the teet of the system. Well, that’s contradictory, considering that there isn’t much of a system left. Ironically, most of them that are of the extremes, such as yourself, are ON welfare in the reddest of states.

      I see your hate, but I also see your naivete.

  • Jon E. Ondaspot

    So many idiotic statements in this blog – I just don’t have time to even get started. Every single line deserves a lengthy response. But just to make one overarching comment on the whole thing: I have been a a conservative, Bible believing Christian my whole life (I’m 49) and I have been around thousands of other conservative Bible believing Christians, and while none of them are perfect (and neither am I and neither are you) I have never ever known a single person whose only Christian beliefs are the three you bash here. OK, one other comment, being opposed (as I am) to governmental redistribution of wealth does not equate to not caring about the poor. While the Bible most certainly does have tons to say about sexual morality, not one place can be found where Jesus calls for government to forcibly remove money from one class of people for the purpose of handing it out to another class of people. Why is it that liberals think that government bureacracy is the only viable charitable organization? Man, better stop before I write a book.

    • dutch163

      Jesus said “whatever you do for the least of my brethren,you do unto me” to me that sounds like a directive to help,work for the greater good. And he did have that clash with the money folks in the temple. The govt is not “redistributing wealth”, it is asking for all to pay their fair share..and the rich and corporations haven’t been

      • Kelli Hernandez

        Nor have they been creating opportunity for those who are poor and want to work. People like Jon cloak their greed and lack of empathy with the excuse of ‘government redistribution of wealth’, in plain English this is the same message they all give: It’s not our fault we’re ‘rich’ we worked for it, why should we take care of those who don’t. Of course this is ridiculous, because many in this country work at low wage jobs and can’t survive, all so that the those on the top of the food chain eat better. It’s too bad that they sleep better too with all that lack of empathy…

      • dutch163

        yes,EXACTLY..you have it a nutshell
        I agree
        people get paid such low wages ,like at Walmart, that they qualify for food stamps or welfare..and we the taxpayers pay for that while Walmart,etc make great profits..the “rich get richer” the system is rigged

    • James Daley

      This article makes some very valid statements about some people who are “supposedly” Christian. You state in your comment that their are some many idiotic statements in this blog…..yet you decline to debunk or address them. My question to you is why not address these so called idiotic statements? Prove this blogger wrong and educate him on the facts or at least your opinion against what he said on specifics. Being a quiet “Conservative Christian” is not helping you or your cause. The loudmouth wing-nut ones are getting all the attention. Stand up…. be heard and say that this type of “Christianity” is not what you believe in. If you don’t defend your position or debunk the stereotypes how will people know you exist. Are you a conservative Republican? You do see what the GOP is doing to people with there legislative agenda? What good are they doing for the common person? Name a specific piece of legislation that has improved the average person’s life they have come up with?

      Government is not a viable charitable organization. It’s part of a larger structure that makes this country a 1st world nation. If you want this country to have an infrastructure and social services then as a whole it must be paid for. Yes, paying taxes sucks but I like having streets to drive on and knowing that some kid isn’t going to bed hungry tonight because his mom or dad lost their job. Churches and food pantries can do only so much.

      As a person who is an atheist, I have my views of what I believe the church is. I’m not bashing you for your beliefs but really want to know why someone would put their trust and values in an invisible product.

      Going to church. This is the best way to get everyone in one place to lecture them on how bad they are as a person, how they need to fear an invisible deity and then rob them of their money. The church sells fear and does a great job at it. You are afraid, “God fearing people” of something you can’t see. You are told to have faith and believe in something without any tangible evidence or proof. You are relying on two stone tablets telling you how you should live and treat people. Then told to read and study a book containing multiple contradictions and fairytale stories. As human being, why must you be told how to treat people……you can’t realize this on your own? Murder and stealing are horrible acts that you don’t want to engage in cause it’s wrong. You need a couple of tablets and a book to tell you this?

      Homosexuality: What amazes me most about some christians is they think homosexuality is a choice. However, none of them would ever consider it to be natures way of population control on the planet. If everyone on the planet wanted to breed we would be more over populated then we are now. Yet, christians believe that a guy in the clouds listens to their prayers, created the world in 7 days and will send you to hell if you don’t obey him. People can look outside their window and see how the real world operates and the science behind it and yet think that homosexuality is not a natural part of the ecosystem.

      Abortion: In todays world it’s a necessary evil. I understand why the church doesn’t like it……they don’t want to diminish or destroy their customer base. It takes bodies with money to support the organization and its a great guilty tool to use against people who have had sex before marriage. In a perfect world, everyone would have the resources and parenting skills to raise a child, but we live in the real world and people don’t. People should have a choice if they want to keep a child or not. As a christian, I’m guessing you don’t believe that? Are you really pro-life……are you in favor of the death penalty?

      So are you for more cuts to SNAP? Do you think all poor people want to be poor? Do you think if you pray hard enough that God will solve all the problems of the world?

      I’m guessing like this article you think most of these are idiotic statements or questions. However, I’m interested in what you have to say. Again, not looking to bash or be judgmental.

      • MrLightRail

        The quiet Christians are tacitly endorsing the extreme wing nuts by not condemning them loudly. Just like everyday Muslims don’t condemn extremist jihadists.

      • Judithe

        Agreed .. silence is complicity. As Dr. King said: “The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.”

      • Kelli Hernandez

        This is brilliant.

    • anon1

      I’m a Christian also, but it’s the belief of many economists (including Nobel winners) that the extreme imbalance of wealth in the US is a recipe for disaster. The moneyed classes have gradually skewed the system in their favor (not to mention corruption and the purchase of both political parties).

  • K_ANN

    Once again Mr. Clifton you can rest assured the ignorant sheeple in your flock will gobble your lies. Why are progressives so ignorant when it comes to understanding money? Nor, is there is nothing in the constitution about abortion – a bunch of great robed ones just pulled that out of their collective hindquarters; but it’s okay to worship those who you agree with. Then you try to suggest that charity can only be performed by government. Truth is those same people you hate so dearly are the ones who spend the most of their personal money on charities to feed the poor, aid those in distress etc. And why should we oppose government handouts – because they do NOTHING to really help but only institutionalize poverty; whereas many private charities actually help people get their lives back on track. I have to wonder at your agenda – you seem dead set on inspiring hatred.

    • Paul Peterson

      K_Ann, how do you feel about the handouts that the Oil industry, the Pharmaceutical industry, the Farm Industry (not to include the farmers), and not least, Wall Street receive? These are the people that are bankrupting this country, not the poor. I do not understand why you (that’s the plural you) are so focused on the people who might actually need some help, and calling them evil and moochers, when you have the filthy rich in this country taking much more than those at the bottom. And, those at the top are not going to starve if you take their subsidies. Not by a long shot.

      As for that charity thing, if you take out the giving to religious institutions (under implied threat from hell if you don’t), then you don’t have a case. Would you willingly help the gay, the Muslim, the transgendered, the illegals, just to mention a few? Or would you let them starve?

    • 65snake

      Two questions – what article did you read, because it doesn’t seem to be this one, and what color is the sky in your world?
      Ignorant when it comes to understanding money? You are apparently in desperate need of not only an economics course, but a history lesson as well. A social safety net is vital for a strong economy.

    • Kelli Hernandez

      If what you say is true, why are so many STILL in poverty. Must be all those jobs out there and all those charities that are feeding and clothing people. It’s clear you can’t see past your own gated community

  • G. W. Markle

    The greatest threat to America, and indeed to the rest of world, at this point in history, comes from the staunch advocates of right wing ideology, and I must submit this warning to you: There is a grave problem with the right wing movement, in that; they seem to possess a distorted sense of entitlement. They’ve set themselves apart, and seem to think that their faith gives them the right to view the world from a platitude of conceit, through condescending eyes, and with a false sense of superiority. They actually believe themselves to be superior beings, with a manifest destiny and some strange notion that God is on their side. A people with a desire to conquer, under the false guise of Christianity, seeking to dominate in the name of Christ, their view of humanity being reduced to nothing more than a matter of “us” and “them”.

    What they fail to realize is; if the Christ you believe in leads you to view other humans as lesser beings, then you are a follower of the anti-Christ. The plain
    truth is; God doesn’t have a religion and God doesn’t discriminate. Any religion that professes to be the only true religion, or that they‘re special in the eyes of God preaches false doctrine. If the Spirit of God is truly with you, it will only be known by acts of “unconditional” love and charity. No religion can claim exclusive rights to God. He belongs to all that He has created, and to foster a belief in “us” and “them” is to divide humanity, not unite it.

    And so it will be, in The End, that those who have set themselves apart from their fellow man will find that they have set themselves apart from God. The worth of a soul will only be measured by how much it has loved, nothing more, nothing less. Woe to those who have taken the widow’s mite and built castles and empires in His name. They have incurred a great accountability, their suffering will be unending.

    Even Jesus will not claim to be Christian, but will only proclaim the glory of the Father. And when He returns they will shout: “Here we are Lord!” And He will respond: “I never knew you”. They have forsaken the Word and have become prisoners of the Numbers.

    Those who have put themselves first will be last.

    • bryan

      I’m Atheist and I love this comment. Well said G.W.

      • G. W. Markle

        Thanks Bryan.

      • ozarkmichael

        G.W. Markle posts that little sermon all over the internet on Leftist websites. He sells out Christians(over politics!) and gains the admiration of atheists and Communists. He seeks the approval of men.

        “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets”

    • Uku Heinla

      I’ll pray that you get wisdom since what I read now is uninformed blather intended to make yourself feel good. It also shows hate for Christians.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        No, it doesn’t. If you mean by “Christians” those who actually follow Christ’s teachings, there are still plenty of them in this country. Unfortunately for us, since they aren’t wiling to sell their souls for money, the corporations won’t fund them, so they don’t get elected to office.

      • Peter

        “There is none that is righteous, no not one.” (Romans 3:10)

      • Peter

        Which is really only to say that even Christians shouldn’t think that Christians are doing such a great job.

      • 65snake

        Really? Cite ONE statement in the article that is unsubstantiated. Then cite ONE statement in the article that actually shows hate for christians, and explain why it is hateful.

      • Kris67

        It’s all unsubstantiated. It’s an opinion piece without any factual evidence included to prove the author’s point. These kind of articles continue to divide us into “us and them”. I am as tired hearing them from the left and progressive perspective, as I am from the right. The discussion has to change for our country to make progress. For example, in reference using Markle’s comment above, I could replace a few words and phrases to demonstrate how it can be used by anyone from any belief system. “Atheist actually believe themselves to be superior beings, with a self made destiny and some strange notion that they are always right and more deeply intellectual than others with a different set of beliefs. A people with a desire to conquer, and inflated sense of self importance,under the false guise of humanism and tolerance, seeking to dominate in the name of self, their view of humanity being reduced to nothing more than a matter of “us” and “them”

        So while the article may not be hateful, it is general in nature, without any cited evidence, with the same old tired divisive slant – trying to make the “others” look ignorant and scary. Maybe not hate…but certainly not helpful to the problem we face in our country of living with one another in tolerance.

        I can find the same kind of article on a far right web sight with just as many people in agreement with the opinion given….filled with just as much intolerance and pompous opinion as the one here.

      • 65snake

        So, none, then? All of the statements in here are easily verified – and I don’t mean by finding others sharing the same “opinion”, I mean by looking up facts.
        Sounds like you’re just objecting because he didn’t do the work for you and post links.

      • G. W. Markle

        Why do you wish to label yourself? ~ “Above all else, I command you love one another”. The worth of a soul will only be measured by how much it has loved. The souls of those who live in the Spirit have matured beyond the prejudice, beyond labels. The “Unity in the Holy Spirit” will only occur when we reach beyond the labels, beyond the prejudice. We are One.

      • MM

        I’m totally liberal and progressive, and I agree with you. I felt the same while reading this. I mean, I get frustrated too. I get frustrated that the most valuable teachings of Jesus do not seem emphasized in right wing Christianity. I get frustrated about how corporate interests have convinced a religion to back them. But at the end of the day, what good is a rant going to do? It’s going to increase frustrated and negative feelings about the right. The way forward is going to be in seeing each other as humans, not as labels, and in living the most Godly teachings unto each other. THIS is how prejudices erode. This is how education happens…when you get to KNOW someone with a totally different viewpoint and, through mutual respect, start a true, humane dialogue. No one listens to anyone who automatically disrespects them and is closed off to whatever they say. It’s this mindset that keeps us divided.

      • Othello

        That’s because you’re frustrated that many Christians object to be legislatively required to ‘tithe’ based upon what others feel is the right amount and the right way to a government which is $16T in debt.

        Will Rogers said “I remember when ‘Liberal’ used to mean with your own money”. That is the issue. I give money where I am able and see fit. I give time where I am able and see fit. Christian act upon themselves, not abdicate their expectation of service to their government. Nor have the government dictate their expectation of service for others.

        Christian service to others comes from oneself, not from a government.

      • Katy

        But why would anyone actively and consistently object to our government emulating our Christian desires to help the less fortunate? Why would someone want our government to take a diametrically opposite view? We claim to want our leaders to have Judeo-Christian values and then squawk when legislative bills and laws
        mirror those values. We don’t have a say in every single thing that our tax dollars are spent on that we personally may object to, but because we’re fellow citizens, we all must contribute. It’s interesting that some consistently object to the very things that most Christians believe in while also fearing other religions – would someone with other or no religious views come up with more anti-Christian stances than the far-right Christians?

      • Sweetearth1958 .

        Remember, “Whose face is on this coin?” and “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God.” If you are unclear as to what that is, try the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus was pretty clear about it all. But, you know what they did to Jesus.

      • Sweetearth1958 .

        Yeah, you could replace a few words and phrases to demonstrate your OWN agenda. You could also just leave out much of the articles words….Just like republican Pharisees do with the Bible, every chance they get for their OWN agenda. As for the intolerant, I believe Jesus called out Pharisees and hypocrites all the time. Guess He was intolerant as well.

      • Cathy Baumgardner

        This is exactly what all of you post when anyone posts the truth about Christians. “Uninformed blather” ? Please tell me one thing that he said in all of this that shows hate for anyone. You on the other hand managed to do that and also show intolerance for the truth in your first sentence

      • Jim Le Blanc


      • Sandy Spence Cudmore

        You should pray for your own wisdom. I don’t know what you read, but there was no hate in any of G.W.’s post. Unlike the hatred in your post.

      • Granny

        No it doesn’t! And if you found this to be blather please actually read the words of Jesus with an open heart. Get a bible that shows His words in red. I challenge you to find Jesus condemning and judging others. Remember the first Christians were very communistic it’s that sharing and caring for one another thing. Not very capitalist at all.

      • Sarah

        I’m Christian. And he’s dead on.

      • melster

        You must have read a different text than the one I read. There is no hate in the words above, censure yes, but not hate. I dare you to find any part of the Bible that says homosexuality or abortion are sins. My Jesus Christ does not hate. My Jesus Christ loves & commands us ALL to love one another and to help those in need. He sacrificed Himself to show us all what love is by shedding His own blood so that we could be saved. And just to blow your mind a little–guess what? Jesus is also worshipped as a Prophet in Islam. In their language, His name is Issa. You do understand that different languages exist, right?

    • repilot

      I totally love your post, especially the 2nd paragraph.

    • Cathy Baumgardner

      This is the most beautiful writing about this subject I have ever read. It is so complete and concise there is just nothing left that needs to be said after reading it. I would love to post this on every page I belong to.

      • G. W. Markle

        Thanks Cathy. Feel free to share and pass along to whom ever you choose. Peace be with you. We are One.

      • Kelli Hernandez

        I would love to reblog this on my blog!

      • D_from_Tennessee


      • Dionysius John

        You are as crazy as Clifton, and the subjects of his poorly written diatribe!
        He is the opposite side of the same coin; intolerance.
        I hope he rots with the gods be damned christians in their own hell…. and you can go right along with him…

    • Annebonnie

      Thank you G.W. – no more needs to be said – you got it just right.

    • Patterman

      Matthew 25. Says. It. All.

    • Kelli Hernandez

      You’re onto something. Psychopaths, narcissists and sociopaths are attracted to power, dominance and control. This is why we see so many of them on the right because this is what the right represents. Read up on the disorders. You’ll get a better understanding of what’s happening and why. They are evil and they are not of the spirit of God

      • My Shocked Face

        But those on the left are immune?

    • Renee

      Beautifully said.

    • Ron Carr

      Much love for this statement. I can’t give any props to an insecure god who doesn’t recognize the efforts and charity of the people who weren’t raised in the “only faith” that will save them. My Higher Power loves all good people of every race, religion, and walk of life. Jesus gave a specific code of conduct- love everybody, including the people you don’t like. It’s tragic that the words and intent are twisted into a selfish mess of narcissism.

      • K_ANN

        There”s no question that Christ loves everyone – but loving someone doesn’t mean everything they do is right – just like we still love our children when they make mistakes. Our responsibility as adults is to teach right and wrong to our children just like we teach them not to touch hot stoves or cross streets without looking both ways. And if they disobey – we don’t cause the stove to burn them as punishment – the stove burns them because that is what hot stoves do and is a natural consequence of their action..

    • Tiffany

      One of the most sensible and thought-provoking, as well as one of the most beautifully written posts I have ever read. I would love to share this with others as I hope you do as well……

    • Christie Andrew

      So well said, Thanks!

    • Sherri G

      I’m of a diverse belief system who believe Faith is within the individual NOT a man-made massing of people for the purpose of propaganda and brainwashing…..I love every word of your response and will be reusing as well. Thank you!!!

    • Marty Simpson Tallent

      Right wing = Modern day Pharisees

    • Anna Peacock

      Thank you so much for this comment. Just thank you. I am an atheist myself, right alongside, Bryan, but your words spoke an incredible truth that couldn’t be better expressed.

    • Clint McInnes

      A beautiful and concise summation. Bravo!

    • K_Ann

      GW the gift of deceit rests well upon you. If anyone has a desire to conquer their fellow man – it is Progressives unless you don’t understand the word. And your thesis on the existence of God is inconsistent. There is a God or there isn’t – if there isn’t then it doesn’t matter. If there is then He/She/It has a specific identity and purpose and finding that out would be important.

      I believe that God is Jesus Christ and the Christians I know are the people that sacrifice THEIR time, money and talents serving their fellow man. Compare this to Progressives who vote to take other people’s money – even stealing from our innocent children yet to be born to support their bloated government. Sorry, that is hatred – all the spin in the world won’t change that. So while you’re preaching perhaps you should check the beam in your own eye.

      You say God doesn’t discriminate – I believe you mean “God is no respecter of persons” meaning our worldly achievements have little bearing on our eternal state and I agree – regardless of our status we all have the same freedom to choose good or evil but that is a choice every one must make and it is a choice with consequences, again we are all equal in those consequences.

      Does a Christian need love in their heart? Of course! But do they need to stand up for righteousness as well? Yes, And let’s be honest about who wants to conquer who – it is Progressives that want to eliminate Christianity and in effect deny our children the opportunity to have faith in Christ – explain how that isn’t hatred?

      • G. W. Markle

        Same message for you K. Ann: Why do you wish to label yourself? ~ “Above all else, I command you love one another”. The worth of a soul will only be measured by how much it has loved. The souls of those who live in the Spirit have matured beyond the prejudice, beyond labels. The “Unity in the Holy Spirit” will only occur when we reach beyond the labels, beyond the prejudice. We are One. No religion or politics required.

    • MarkBousquet


    • Myrtle

      I agree with most of this, G.W., but I do have one slight criticism.

      I think that every church that tries to follow Christ fits into your description, but there are religions, churches that claim to follow Christ with the leaders actually having only the intent to defraud or cast hate on others. I don’t suppose that the people that knowingly do that have any real claim to the truth, or to Christianity, even though they profess to.

      • G. W. Markle

        Some try to capitalize on inciting hatred and pointing the finger, but looking for evil is only Satan’s way of keeping you from seeing what is good. Many preach hatred and division in the name of Christ, but by their own words they have claimed the label bigot. They can take and wear that label and espouse all prejudice it represents, or they can cast it aside and follow Jesus Christ, but they can’t have it both ways both. It’s their choice, they have a free will. No religion required.

    • ozarkmichael

      So what is this “Progressive” thing you are into, GW Markle? I didn’t know you had a political point of view. After all that talk about being above political viewpoints.
      Please tell us what you think of the Progressive view of politics. Is it evil? Should Christians renounce it?

      • G. W. Markle

        Don’t mix politics with religion. They’re diametrically opposed to one another, if you understand the scriptures.

      • ozarkmichael

        If politics is diametrically opposed to religion, and Progressivism is political….why are you taking a stand for Progresives? It seems a bit… political.

  • dutch163

    What if more ancient documents are discovered and we learn Jesus was homosexual..he never married..only hung out with males..then what will the bigots do? I mean after their heads explode

    • jdubhub68

      Don’t underestimate the depths of denial. It’s already bad enough they claim the Bible says what it doesn’t. What would happen if something else they falsely believe to be true isn’t?

    • Cathy Baumgardner

      Remember the Bible we read today was written by men. It may have been divinely inspired but it was written by human being who have a tendency to inject themselves into everything they write. The Bible we have today has also been translated and rewritten many times and many parts have been left out or removed. Scream all you want about what I have said but the church has manipulated things concerning religion to work for their benefit not Gods

      • dutch163

        very good observations

      • Kelli Hernandez

        Cathy, completely agree with this. The bible is often taken out of context and used to control others. But for every single scripture used, another could be used to CONTRADICT it. These people are tremendously controlling.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Look what the early church fathers did to Mary of Magdalene, who was one of Christ’s disciples? (And why not? Are not women human beings, too?) They suppressed her gospel and made her out to be a whore who was redeemed by Christ, though there’s no actual information in the Bible that say she was any such thing. They also suppressed stories of early Christian women who preached the Gospel, or performed miracles.

  • Jennifer in AK

    The thing that gets me about liberals like this is the absolute double standard. Being a conservative Christian who does not judge liberals, gays, or even women who use abortion; a conservative Christian who while not condoning their views/choices is friends many people in these categories. I don’t judge because Jesus commanded me not to – because I stand in no position to judge. But why is it ok for these liberals to stereotype & generalise such a wide, diverse group of people. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and more importantly news coverage. Small churches donating time, food, love & sending their young adults to care for the abused & poor of the world – that doesn’t make much news. And that is why we are so against government programs. When we give to the needy not one person profits from it. There is zero waste. The majority of true Christians out there (& there are plenty) are quietly out there trying to love God. The majority of us are not stroking guns, picketing hate against gay people, or bombing abortion clinics, but you wouldn’t know that because you never have stepped into our true world or tried to see the (majority) true Christians. I would never judge a liberal minded person based on hateful people such as this. I do not let people like this make up my mind for me. I decide based on personal interactions with the individual. I too could defend this rant line by line, but that is secondary to defending my faith. But one last thought, Christians are not religious. Religion is self serving & has no room for mercy – which is what Christianity is really all about. These hateful, narrow minded, divisive people are what’s wrong with this world.

    • Baaly

      “The thing that gets me about liberals like this is the absolute double standard. Being a conservative Christian who does not judge liberals, gays, or even women who use abortion; a conservative Christian who while not condoning their views/choices is friends many people in these categories.”

      Wow, you apparently don’t judge us liberals, yet judge our ‘double standards’? A bit of a hypocrite, no?

    • KYwoman

      The article is talking about the right wing extremist (so called Christian) that have taken over the Republican Party and Christianity. They call them selves Christian but their actions speak anything but Christian. They have way to much power and control – and WE – the people – the Christians – the “True/Reasonable” Republicans need to take that power back. They are giving true Christians and “Reasonable” Republicans a bad name and it needs to stop.

    • Paul Peterson

      Jennifer, the problem is this: “The majority of true Christians out there (& there are plenty) are quietly out there trying to love God.” Meanwhile, those of us who are gay, or poor, or women, or otherwise different from the Conservative mold, are getting bombarded with their very loud bullshit on a daily basis. And there is no one telling these nutjobs “dude, dial it back, you are going waaay overboard.”

      • Kelli Hernandez

        Paul, I have a blog and I write about it. I’m a mentor/coach for abuse survivors, many who were abused spiritually. Many of my clients won’t ever attend church again and are far from God, due to the way these people treated them. With all the pain I see from what these people have done to those I work with, it is clear that it’s nothing less than evil and disorder. Many of the abusers, were pastors too, including my own in the past. So I write about it and word is getting out by others who are writing about it too.

    • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

      They are not saying anything about Christians, Jennifer…what they are talking about is people who SAY they are Christian while not acting very much like one.

      Pardon me, but they judge all the time. They judge homosexuals, they judge women who have abortions, they judge people whom they consider beneath them. Then the minute someone says to them, that isn’t right; you shouldn’t be able to take away my civil right by making me pray with you or just stand in respectful silence – right away, these Christians are first to whine about not being allowed to pray. They are 1st to take away rights from others but 1st to whine about it when people assert that Christians are discriminating against them & falsely claim they are being persecuted. I have never heard so many “I can’t prays”; “I can’t read my Bibles” & other untruths lately. The problem is they don’t know REAL discrimination.
      It is also kind of like that for you to claim that liberals have a double standard – when you seem to also.

      • Kelli Hernandez

        Glenna, I agree with you. When we are accused of labeling them, it’s a way to distract us from calling out sin.

        What is sin? Lack of empathy, callousness, selfishness, loveless….people who advocate for the removal of the rights of others, from basic human needs like food, job, shelter, to gay marriage and women’s individual rights, civil rights, bashing minorities, and vote in measures of austerity to hurt others, (they call this ‘big government) while doing nothing but pontificating about how great they are in what they believe and trying to control others,….these people are evil.

        To put it more simply, they hurt people. And they vote for others who want to hurt people. Nothing of what they do is about love, it’s about evil, hatred and disorder.

        We’re allowed to call out evil. And I believe that is ‘biblical’ too…where there is no love, there is evil. Period.

    • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

      Oh, & if you are a “True Christian” , then you should be angry at these fake ones who are acting in YOUR NAME to do all these hateful things. Get mad. Get angry. Take Christianity BACK from them. Denounce them for what they truly are.
      But, I guess it is easier to attack the liberals who point out what they are, right?

    • Cathryn Sykes

      Christ said that the righteous are those who feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take in the stranger, and visit those who are sick or in prison.
      Does this sound like the self-proclaimed “conservative Christians”–they are the ones who came up with the label!–who are the public face of American Christianity these days? Who seem to think that we should call those who are hungry “moochers”, demonize any stranger, put more people in jail so corporations can profit from their labor and kick the uninsured sick to the curb to die? These people are trying to write laws for this country! If they don’t represent “true” Christianity, oppose them! Quite whining about being soiled by their dirt and kick THEM to the curb to die!
      I am so tired of Christians who think that because they have been “born again” they have an un-revokable ticket to heaven. Reread the pertinent passage, pal. Christ said that no one can attain heaven unless they are first born again, not that anyone who is born again is definitely going to Heaven. It’s a MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, not a guarantee!

    • repilot

      You sound like someone who doesn’t understand the term judge, considering your entire post was judging “liberals like these”. You also sound like a poor little god loving do gooder who isn’t getting enough credit for all the good stuff they do for the lowly poor people.
      Otherwise what was your complaint?
      Oh right, government programs, they keep the religion out of giving help to people in need. That is what this government was founded on, freedom of religion. They are not suppose to have to accept your faith system to get food or medical care.

    • Cathy Baumgardner

      You show your true feelings when you talk about anyone who is not conservative. There are many liberals out here who love God every bit as much as you do. There are many out here who are doing every bit as much feeding the poor and helping them as you are. I worked in a homeless shelter in CA. A large one. Yes the churches do help but they are not equipped to help the large number of people in our country that needs it. They can’t provide health care to everyone in our country who needs it or even food, clothing and shelter. This is why we liberals fight for programs like the ACA, Food Stamps, Planned Parenthood, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and much more. I have stepped into your world. I went to a church, was saved, became a member and when my husband cheated on me and we divorced I was treated like a second class citizen and no longer even allowed to volunteer to teach bible school. I am not saying you are hateful but narrow minded and divisive describes you and your post very well. I do not have to set foot inside a huge cathedral, or a church lavishly furnished with thick carpet, highly polished pews and a golden alter to worship my God. He is with me always. Jesus preached in the fields, on the beach and along the bi-ways of his country and if he were to appear today and do the things he did in his time he would be in prison and it would be the conservatives who would put him there.

      • Kelli Hernandez

        Cathy, I work with women like you have who have been through that and I have too. I’m so sorry for what you’ve experienced.

        I see God the same way you do.

  • GTTorres

    THANK YOU! Real Christ followers do not judge others. We obey the law of man and our leaders. We help the poor, orphans and widows. We love everyone equally despite of what they believe or practice. We may not agree with everything but it is not our place to judge anyone. We must pray for the people and for the nation. We must show God’s love to all and live as an example of his love. Please do not let these people taint Christians in general.

    • Jeff B.

      “…it is not our place to judge anyone” But it IS
      our place to point out to others that GOD WILL judge those who treat His laws
      with contempt and spurn his offer of forgiveness… and to show them the path
      to forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ. Those who would deny or water
      down the Word of God are not true Christians. And God’s laws to not change in
      response to the currently popular humanist philosophy. To tell someone that
      their sinful lifestyle is okay is no more a ‘Christian’ thing to do than to stand
      by and say nothing while a blind man walks toward a cliff where he will surely
      fall to his death. Would it be kind to do that in order not to offend his
      choice of direction?

      • Cathy Baumgardner

        It is not your place to judge anyone nor is it your place to look down upon anyone. Failing to pick those up who have fallen on hard times, providing food for the poor, housing for the homeless and medicine for the sick I notice is left out of your speech for us. Judge, judge, judge and control. The only thing a Christian should do is present the word of God (Bible) and the rest is between that person and their God.

      • Kelli Hernandez

        Those that suggest that others are doing so are putting themselves in positions of power over others. The greatest sin, in my opinion, is to use threats, coercion and sabotage, any manipulative, pathological tactic to separate people from God and that is exactly what fundamentalists like yourself are doing.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Have you actually read the Gospels? May I recommend the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus DID NOT say that “the blessed” were the rich, the arrogant and the warmongers? May I also suggest you read Matthew 25, verses 34 to 46, where Christ tells his disciples who the “righteous” are….and they aren’t those who ignore the needs of the poor, the sick and the old. Christ COMMANDED his followers to help the poor, the hungry, the sick, the stranger, those in prison. All I see are those who call themselves “Christians” laughing or sneering at those they call “moochers, welfare queens, “not real Americans.”

  • Fernando Ocampo

    Christianity is a faith that reaches at the core of humanity. It forces you to pay attention to your values and how you treat others. unfortunately humanity is wired to destroy itself. We choose to lie, cheat, steal, kill. Its basic survival of the fittest. That is our legacy and we are good at it. Look deep into the core values of christianity you will see the opposite. No one will admit this because they will only focus on what they want to see.

    People are lazy. Christianity is difficult to follow. I wish intelligent agenda driven people (who do stupid things i.e. intellectuals & politicians) would stop saying they were Christian. They just give the faith a bad rap. For over 2000 years fake Christians a have ruined the faiths reputation. I’m Christian. I believe that Christ is my Lord and Savior. Most people laugh at me for beliving this and I’m ok with that(i bet you’r smurking). I make an effort not to lie, cheat, steal or kill. I follow this lifestyle both in and out of the context of religion. If the rest of the world tried to do this would we have: wars, a huge prison system, currupt politics? No we would not.

    The problem is not Chritanity as a faith. The problem is people who are scumbags. They only care about themselves. They use anything (especialy religion) to mask their true intentions. Next time pay more attention to the people not the relilgion. The religion is fine. The people are all messed up.

    • Larry

      That is a good point Fernando Ocampo. The word Christian means to be Christ like and many people are not Christ like but merely pretending to be. Unfortunately many do give real Born Again Christians a bad name. But those same people will be judged before Christ someday, and if they died without the shed blood of Jesus Christ and his Salvation then they will go to hell with all the ones that say they do not believe in Him now and may never before they die.

      Many people only read what they want to read in the bible and that is it. Some made comments that God never spoke about homosexuality in the bible, when in fact there are many references to it, they just choose to over look it or really do not want to believe it. Many only choose to think of God as a God of love and then wonder why things happen the way they do and so fourth. There are probably more verses in the bible that talk about God’s wrath then about His love.

      Here is the bottom line folks when you die are you going to spend an eternity with God in the Kingdom of Heaven or will you spend an eternity in Hell? We need to quit worrying about false Christians and get right with ourselves and have God in our lives. John 3:1-7 talks about being born again, and in particular John 3:3 says: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

      If you are unsure of your salvation, then talk to God in whatever way you can and tell Him your concerns, and He will listen. He may not always give you the answer you would like to have but it will always be the one that is right for you and also in His time.

      True Born Again Christians do need to take a stand for what God is opposed to and there are many things. Judging is not the answer and yes we are told in the bible not to judge one another, but to His true believers He gave them the Great Commission Matthew 28:18-20 before he left earth. In small terms basically we are to tell people about God and about Jesus Christ, and possibly bring them closer to Him. Not to judge them in any way but to open their hearts and minds to God. Only God can save people, man cannot. So lets not be of hatred to anyone. For God loved all of His creation, every man, woman, and child on this earth but many times it is the Sin of a person that he hates the most, not the person himself or herself.

      To true believers in the Lord; do what is right in the eyes of God, not what is right in the eyes of men. Man will fail you every time, but God never will.

      • G. W. Markle

        Born Again Minds:

        Just a few reflections on the study conducted at Duke University observing that Born Again Christians have smaller brains (Hippocampus) than the “un-born”. It is interesting to note that the same defect appears in the brains of psychopaths.

        When a person claims to be “Born Again”, they do so only to gain the acceptance and approval of men. True faith is born out of awareness, the expansion of the mind and soul beyond the confines of religious discrimination. Born Again Christians have a very limited and narrow view of reality, a definitive “us” and “them” mentality. They actually believe themselves to be superior to other people and religions, and in rendering such
        judgment, they demonstrate that they have smaller minds. From recent studies, It seems that increasing awareness increases brain size; narrow-minded extremist views will reduce brain size. Didn’t Christ warn us about judging?

        “Born Again”, is just a phrase used to gain access to the club. If the spirit of God is truly with you, it will only be known by acts of unconditional love and charity. Those who boast that they’re “born again”, are not. Those who are living in the Spirit know better than to boast about it, their minds, their brains, their hearts and their souls have expanded, matured beyond the prejudice.

      • Larry

        In reference to your judging statement I believe that I said this if you read it correctly. “Judging is not the answer and yes we are told in the bible not to judge
        one another, but to His true believers He gave them the Great Commission
        Matthew 28:18-20 before he left earth. In small terms basically we are
        to tell people about God and about Jesus Christ, and possibly bring them
        closer to Him. Not to judge them in any way but to open their hearts
        and minds to God. Only God can save people, man cannot.” It was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself that talked about Being Born Again, not I, I can only tell you what the bible says. And no, I do not Say I am born again to get the acceptance of men. I could care less what man thinks. I only care what my Lord and Savior thinks. He is the one I will need to answer too someday when I stand before Him.

        While acts of kindness and Charity are real real good things there is no doubt, please remember that, that along will not get you into Heaven for eternity. A man or woman on this earth can be the very best person ever. They could give loads of money to the homeless and people in need, they could give of their time, They could never swear, say an unkind word to anybody, ever gossip to anyone and live a perfect moral and upstanding life. However, if before they die, they were not saved by the shed blood of Jesus Christ, not reborn by his Grace and Salvation, then they will spend an eternity in hell. That is not judging those are the facts according to God’s word.

        Now you are not going to find the statement I just made word for word in the bible, their are many verses that support that and you really need to read the bible deeply to understand. If you are a believer at all then I encourage you to do so, and pray to God and ask him to help you understand the bible more. If you are not a believer and only pick and choose a couple of verses every now and then to try and support that your thoughts are right, then I am sorry, there is nothing more I can say or do, other then pray for you, that the Lord will come into your life and turn your life around. You take care and have a great day.

      • G. W. Markle

        Take your Bible and burn it. Tear it to shreds and throw it into the sea. It only serves as a source of division for you. Why have you have put yourself so high above all others. You have failed to understand the true meaning of the scriptures when taken as a whole, from the beginning to THE END.

        “Above all else, I command you love one another”.

        Love is the answer, love is the key. Those who live in the spirit of love, live in the Spirit God, and also, they actually live the teachings of Christ without boasting about it or making a show of it. It is you who chooses to label yourself and differentiate yourself from “others”.

        Larry, eventually you have to look up from your Bible and encounter Humanity. That’s where salvation lies, in the interaction of life. It’s about how you treat and interact with your fellow humans. It’s not about putting yourself on a pedestal, spouting scripture and pretending to be holy.

        Didn’t Christ warn us that there would be a great deception perpetrated in His name? It seems you have fallen prey to that deception, as have many others. You have become one of those imaginary superior beings and a prisoners of the Numbers.

      • Kelli Hernandez


      • zteach46

        let God decide where we will spend eternity. love others today; love God today; do good today. I have not seen my grand children in 10 years because my son in law “knows” I am not a true christian. I am not a drunk or a slut. I am not profane-but he “knows” just as you seem to. beware

      • Larry

        Believe it or not I am letting God decide where each of us spend eternity. It is His words in the bible that tells us what we have to do to be in heaven some day with Him for eternity, not my words. And trust me I do love everyone for everyone on this planet is God’s creation. God loves His creation, but there is much sin in all of his people including me that he is opposed too. If it was not for the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross at Calvary I would be going straight to Hell myself. If you are one of God’s chosen people, rather you know it now or will someday before you die, you will want to be opposed to the same sins as He is. Judge no one ever, no one should ever judge anybody Christian or not, period. But like I tried to explain to others here and there; before Jesus Christ left this earth and went back into Heaven he gave his true believers the Great Commission and that is found in Matthew 28:18-20, You can read it for yourself but basically it is saying for His true believers, His elect if you will, to go out and tell people about God/Jesus Christ NOT to judge them ever, just by telling people about Christ maybe you can bring them closer to Him and for Him and Him alone to save them, if that is His will. And let us not also remember what Jesus said in Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Anyway I hope that helps. I am so sorry that you have not seen your grand children in such a long time. That is not right of your son to withhold them from you. You would have to be the worse grandmother on earth for that to happen, and I do not believe that you are. I do not know your name as you have come on as a guest but in any case I will be praying for you and for your son as well, that he will have understanding and allow you to see your grand kids. You take care and have a real great day.

      • Kelli Hernandez

        YES YES YES YES!!! BINGO! YOU GOT IT, Now spread the word GW!!! PSYCHOPATHS, Narcissists and sociopaths. The truth is that not everyone IS good and there IS evil in the world and a lack of empathy, compassion and callousness are KEY signs of it. The disorders are attracted like flies to the right and this is WHY. Good for you!

      • G. W. Markle

        You got it Kelli!
        We are One. 🙂

      • Cathy Baumgardner

        Every religion believes that what they preach is the truth. Do you honestly believe that God is only going to admit Christians into heaven? I believe that religion has nothing at all to do with it. How you conduct yourself in this life, how you treat your fellow human beings, how you show love is what will count. You may not like it but I believe God loves everyone. Do I also believe we will pay for our transgressions when we die. Yes I do but not in the way some people think.

      • Larry

        Cathy the ones that will be in heaven and spend an eternity in heaven will be God’s elect. The ones He has chosen before the foundation of this world. Ephesians 1:1-12 and sad to say that will not be everyone on this earth. Only His chosen, Only the ones that are Born Again (John 3:3) through His shed blood on the cross. And in reference to your statement on how you conduct yourself, I said this to the other gentleman above. “While acts of kindness and Charity are real real good things there is no
        doubt, please remember that, that alone will not get you into Heaven
        for eternity. A man or woman on this earth can be the very best person
        ever. They could give loads of money to the homeless and people in need,
        they could give of their time, They could never swear, say an unkind
        word to anybody, ever gossip to anyone and live a perfect moral and
        upstanding life. However, if before they die, they were not saved by the
        shed blood of Jesus Christ, not reborn by his Grace and Salvation, then
        they will spend an eternity in hell. That is not judging those are the
        facts according to God’s word. And as I also pointed out to him, “you are not going to find the statement I just made word for word in the
        bible, there are many verses that support that and you really need to
        read the bible deeply to understand.” If you are a believer in the Lord then pray to Him and ask Him to help you understand it more. I do not judge anyone ever, as True Born Again Christians we should never judge, no one should for that matter, but many do. But before Jesus left this earth he did give his true believers the Great Commission Matthew 28: 18-20 You take care and have a great day.

      • LivinginVA

        I’m glad that the Christian God I worship does not send good people to Hell just because they were raised Jewish or Muslim or Atheist.

        Mathew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
        Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Fudging a little, are we? We all know that the Old Testament says that homosexuality is a sin, along with eating pork and working on the Sabbath, and how many Americans ignore those “sins”? But what atheists and agnostics say is that JESUS never said a word about homosexuality….if I’m wrong, quote me chapter and verse.

      • Larry

        Dear Cathy
        First off I will ask you if you believe in the Trinity? The 3 in 1, God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit that make up the 3 in 1. If you do NOT believe that, then pretty much what I can tell you will mean nothing to you. However if you do believe it then the next question I will ask you is; do you believe that the Bible, Old and New Testament is the inspired word of God? While many many authors if you will, wrote their individual book(s) every word of it all came from God. Again if you do NOT believe that, then there is not much I can say that you will believe. However if you do we can move forward.

        For a couple of versus on the above please check out Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. Now Jesus backs that same thing up in Mark 12:29, so all 3 are the same. Now John 1:1 says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So that is saying that from the beginning, Genesis all the way though to Revelations is the word of God. So not only does that tell us that the bible, God’s words, are inspired by him, but that what God has said in the Old Testament is also Jesus’s words as well. And as a back up to the bible being inspired by God 2 Timothy 3:16 says: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:.

        As far as you and others being hooked on what Jesus Himself said in the New Testament about Homosexuality; there is nothing directly said from Him, but if there is only one God, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, then you know that Jesus/God had much to say about it in the Old Testament and He does not like it. Even if you was to separate the two, God in the old Testament said that Homosexuality is a Sin (You yourself even said you was aware of that) And we know that Jesus is again any sins period, so by that thought He would have been against it anyway. He did not have to say it to make it so.

        As far as your others stuff mentioned, I will not go into great detail, other then to say that there is an old covenant and a new covenant. The old covenant was completed and finished with the death and burial of Jesus. The new covenant was enacted with the resurrection of Jesus and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
        While I believe that you do at least read the bible to some degree, I will pray that God/Jesus/Holy Spirit gives you a greater understanding of His word and that you will come to know Him as your personal Savior. Take care.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        First question: No.
        Second question: No.
        And you know what? I can answer ‘NO’ to both questions and still admire Jesus of Nazareth as both a great person and a great teacher. As for reading the Bible to “some degree” I’ve read the entire Bible, cover to cover….twice. However, since I’m not reading it with unquestioning reverence, I see the flaws, the inconsistencies, even the hypocrisy, cruelty, venality and pettiness shown by some of the “holy men” therein. You obviously do not.
        Actually, it astounds me how many people who swear that they “live” by the Bible have actually never read much of it. One thing I enjoy doing is asking such folks what happened to the Israelites who refused to side with Moses and quit worshiping the Golden Calf. Almost always, the answer is, “The earth opened up and they fell into the flames of hell!”
        Which is hysterically funny. Since, of course, that was Cecil B. DeMille’s lurid (but very cinematic!) version from the movie “The Ten Commandments.” In the Bible, Moses simply told his followers, especially his own tribe, the Levites, to pull their knives and kill everyone. Which they did, many of them slaughtering their own friends, parents ,even children.
        Read the Bible without the unquestioning reverence and you run into some very ghastly things done by “holy men.” And also some very self-serving things as well. I noticed, for example, that Moses also decided that the Levites were to be the priests for his new faith. Sweet! Free housing, food, clothes and since they were forbidden to marry anyone but virgins, the pick of the teenage girls each year. Nice work if you can get it….and you can get it if you say “It’s God’s will!”

      • Larry

        Sorry Cathy you do not believe in the Holy Trinity the 3 in 1 And sorry you do not believe that the entire bible is the inspired word of God. I would assume many don’t because then they would have to accept certain things they do not want to accept. Anyway all I can do or say to you is that I will pray for you that God/Jesus will open your heart and mind to the fact that it is true. You take care and have a great day.

      • JPCM126

        Jesus never spoke about homosexuality. Being Christian is following the teachings of Jesus.

    • repilot

      I don’t lie, cheat or steal and I don’t need religion to help me do this. It is just the right thing to do period.

    • Kelli Hernandez

      Agreed and I profess the same Fernando. Personality disordered individuals, narcissists and such, really love the current fundamentalistic approach to Christianity. They hide their devious and controlling behavior behind it. In doing so, they wound people with their lack of empathy and overwhelming sense of entitlement which is what narcissism is all about. It’s why the disorders are drawn to the religious right in extremes. It’s about power and control over the masses. It’s spiritual abuse.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      Good for you! Now go forth and preach that version of Christianity!

  • John1966

    Yawn. First you set up the straw man, then you knock him down. Oldest trick in the book. Your ignorance is shocking, your contempt is obvious, and your analytical skills are nonexistent. Grow up.

    • jdubhub68

      Let’s try that again, this time without looking in the mirror as you post.

      • John1966

        Ouch, I feel like I’ve been slugged by a homosexual bunny.

    • 65snake

      There is no straw man in this article. Every action cited in this article is observably true. Your ignorance is shocking, and contempt is the appropriate response.
      Grow up.

      • John1966

        You have joined in advertizing that you are also biblically illiterate. Read the bible, all 1500 pages, before you spew nonsense. You know you haven’t, and never will.

      • 65snake

        Wow, John1966! Your cogent and detailed reply has totally converted me – not. The fact that you actually think that this article is inaccurate demonstrates that you are, in fact, the illiterate one.
        Again, contempt is the only appropriate response.
        oh, btw….raised xtian, I know the bible just fine….and apparently far better than you, since you are unable to recognize the veracity of the points in this article.
        If you actually, really believe there is a “straw man” anywhere in this article, please, where is it??

      • John1966

        You don’t fool me. As I said, the bible is a thick book, too thick for you. Having actually read the whole thing myself, it is clear to me you haven’t. Growing up Christian does not magically impart 1500 pages of text into your head. You have to actually READ it, every word. You know you haven’t, so quit lying.

      • 65snake

        Ah….you obviously cannot actually pinpoint a strawman in this article, so you resort to calling me a liar. Scintillating, positively scintillating.
        I’m not sure that I believe you have the ability to read the above article with any level of comprehension, much less the bible. Although, if you read it and it actually made sense to you, you may want to seek professional help.

      • John1966

        Your failure to affirm that you have read the entire bible is conspicuous. Your distractions are futile. You are a textbook biblical illiterate. The diligence required to read a thick book, and the moral humility required to digest it, are beyond your capabilities. So you hurl insults as a distraction. Pathetic.

      • 65snake

        Your attempts to redirect the conversation away from your inability to cite the straw man that you claim this blog is predicated on is what is pathetic here.
        Keep trying, you still have failed to support your original claim.

      • John1966


  • Kenyon Ledford

    Jesus had his limits. While he seemed to be into helping the weak and the needy, he didn’t like sloth. While much of the homeless problem is due to the ravages of mental illness, much of it is lazy wankers drawing checks that bankrupt their state.

    • Brenda Porter

      Why don’t we let Jesus be the judge of who the lazy wankers, as you put it, who are in no way bankrupting the state. As I recall, He wasn’t too fond of the money changers in the temple, either.

    • jdubhub68

      I never thought of Wall Street as a bunch of lazy wankers drawing checks that *have actually* bankrupted the State, but since you put it that way…

      • Kelli Hernandez

        They’re the money changers Jesus was pissed at..

    • repilot

      You are pathetic. You have no idea what you are talking about. Jesus did not have limits you selfish idiot.

  • Kenyon Ledford

    So many people love to judge Christians as being judgmental hypocrites.

    • MrLightRail

      Because so many ARE.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      So quit acting that way. Or let others act that way, unchallenged, in perversion of your Savior’s teachings!

  • John1966

    You’re pretending that Jesus advocated that compassion be accomplished by GOVERNMENT. You can’t show me that verse in the bible because it doesn’t exist. Jesus expended his OWN resources, and encouraged VOLUNTARY charity, to help others. That’s what Christians do. We rightfully disapprove of being coerced by the government to squander money on your pet liberal agenda disguised as compassion. You liberals think that anyone who doesn’t agree with your government-as-God perspective is inherently evil. You don’t comprehend that the government is not the universe.

    • Brenda Porter

      The reason we, as a nation, need the government to step in and provide safety nets for some of our most needy citizens is because individual churches and charities simply do not have the resources to even begin to touch the level need we have. Sadly, attendance and collections are down and IMHO, too many larger churches are more focused on missionary work outside the country. As for Jesus himself, his ministry was financially supported by wealthy followers, not his own funds. Furthermore, he didn’t encourage “voluntary” charity – He commanded it!

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Saw a British produced program some years ago about evangelical churches in the USA. The episode I saw featured the First Baptist Church of Dallas, one of the biggest churches in the country. The first segment showed the British filmmaker talking to the pastor. This was in the pastor’s office. The pastor, beautifully dressed in a silk suit, wanted the interviewer to note his genuine Louis the XIV desk, and talked to him at length about the church’s state of the art television production studio and the nationwide satellite hookups they were putting in
        The second segment showed the church’s “outreach to the poor” charity in Dallas. In a bare room, poor people sat on fold out chairs and listened to a church worker harangue them for a solid hour about their sins and why they should convert to the Baptist church. At the end of this, they got a peanut butter or baloney sandwich and a cup of coffee. Period.
        Oh, yes. It’s all about following Christ’s teaching us to spend our money on fancy offices and TV studios–keep those donations coming!– and doing as little as we can for the poor, the desperate and the hungry.

      • Kelli Hernandez


        Wow, that must have been powerful to watch and repulsive, but I can see it happening…

      • John1966

        I obey Jesus’ command voluntarily. I don’t want the government stepping in and playing Jesus for me. We’re not talking about a safety net. We’re talking about endless government expansion, socialism. You may be OK with that tyranny, but that makes you a fool.

      • Brenda Porter

        Fine. And I’m going to voluntarily follow my Lord’s example by not calling you names just because I may not agree with you.

      • Kelli Hernandez

        John, this is an excuse for your obvious lack of empathy and contempt. It is the number one problem with extremists.

        People who love, don’t advocate to hurt others.

      • John1966

        You deliberately missed the point. You can’t separate “compassion” from government programs. In the real world, compassion is done by people, not government.

      • John1966

        Fine. Then advocate amending the constitution to provide for it. But as it stands now, the constitution limits the functions of government, and charity is not one of its functions. You can’t have it both ways. Either keep our successful constitution and rely on private charity, or ditch a proven concept and take your chances with socialism like every other failed nation has done. Maybe you’re smarter than Marx, but I doubt it.

    • jdubhub68

      Can you show where the U.S. Constitution says that the United States is a Christian nation and therefore required to adhere to your religious doctrine? For that matter, can you show where the Constitution makes mention of “God”, “Jesus”, or “Christian”?

      I do know Jesus said “render unto God what is God’s and render unto Caesar what is Caesar”. Jesus never said “God=Caesar”.

      • John1966

        So you admit you can’t use Jesus to support your government-centered approach to charity. So join me in telling this author to quit it.

      • John1966

        I’m not falling for that stupid old trick. Nobody is advocating religion being the law of the land. But any idea can be debated, even ideas from religion (or consistent with it), and whatever ideas succeed in becoming law through the democratic process become law. To claim that religious ideas are somehow disqualified is an excuse to not have to debate them.

  • Kathryn Thompson

    Bravo! Well said! If only the people who need to know this were open-minded enough to even read this. I contracted meningitis about 3 years ago which resulted in paraplegia. I’ve been bed-bound ever since. I depend completely on Medicaid for my health care and on Social Security for room and board at the nursing home where I now live. A conservative man, whom I had known for years, called me a deadbeat because I’m on Medicaid. As if I had deliberately become disabled just so I could sponge off the government. He is a stereotypical angry old white conservative who thinks of himself as a kind, benevolent Christian. And the hypocrisy of his attitude has never occurred to him. All I can do is shake my head and accept that he never will.

    • nosleepma

      I’d find a way to damage Old White Angry Conservative Guy’s kajones if that happened everytime he started frothing about Medicaid, I bet he’d find someone else to bother… 🙂

  • nearpoint29151

    Wow nothing brings you back to reality than to go to a liberal page and read their comments. Whew !!! Sure glad there is a delete button.

    • Kathryn Thompson

      How do you think most liberals feel when they go to a conservative page? We really need to get together and have a reasonable discussion about our differences of opinion. But, you know, somehow I don’t think you would ever agree to that.

  • wiredpup

    I am so over the NWO Christian Taliban and their Jihaddist ways.

  • BluesFan44

    I used to say that I never talked about politics or religion at work. Then I realized they’re one in the same.

  • Brett

    “Constitutionally protected right to an abortion? Say … what? I’m all on board with the criticism of the fanatical Republicanity (Theorepublican? Hmmm), I can’t think of a single part of the constitution that you can legitimately argue was crafted to create protection of a right to an abortion.

    C’mon Allen – you’re stretching just as far as the people you’re criticizing with that bit.

    • jdubhub68

      Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

      Fourteenth Amendment, Equal Protection Clause: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      Article VI, Clause 2, Supremacy Clause: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

      Pursuant to the 14th Amendment, the SCOTUS’ Roe v. Wade decision.

  • chakley

    To be frustrated with the issues you bring up, means you don’t understand the power, deception, distraction, that Satan and his demons wield. The extent to which he uses greed, selfishness, and condemnation among others to plot human against human none of us understand because, well, we’re distracted and deceived.

    • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

      Funny, I don’t think Satan, his minions or all the devils in the “underworld” can compete with the depravity of the human mind. It is definitely not being responsible for our actions if we can blame it on the devil…just as our good actions don’t come from GOD our bad ones don’t originate from any hell, either. IF YOU DO SOMETHING DEPRAVED, YOU DO IT. Don’t blame the devil for it.

  • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

    I blame that book that came out awhile back that essentially said God wanted you to be rich & powerful. God wants you to have all your needs met. Until then, true Christians believed in feeding the poor & in shunning the lust for money (after all, Jesus asks that you sell all your possessions & follow him). They became greedy consumers & convinced that they should have it all or that they were going to get it all. They ceased caring.
    I grew up in a time when the only President whose religion ever made a difference in his “oath” was Kennedy – because he was Catholic. People became frantic that the US was going to answer to Rome….how ironic that now that the GOP sides with Rome & asks the Pope’s blessing on everything. Honestly, we used to not care about our Presidents religious life – that was their business. Carter was So Baptist but I don’t remember him flaunting his Baptist beliefs. I am so tired of the “Christian” whining & moaning. They want to turn the USA into a Theocracy & I am for one tired of it.

  • Uku Heinla

    You are no better than those you criticize, by framing all of the arguments to support your beliefs rather than presenting an intellectual argument citing what Christ actually said about some of these things. Trying to pervert Christian teachings to support a Liberal agenda is no better than what you claim the so called “religious right” does. isolated Biblical quotes in and of themselves support neither side. An intellectual reading of the Bible clearly shows Christ did not support homosexuality. He condemns the act, but not the individuals. Similarly Christ says it is the love of money which corrupts, not necessarily having wealth. The new Testament also has passages which say ‘those who do not work, shall not eat”. It is easy to make superficial charges and arguments to support your own prejudices. These aren’t necessarily supported by Biblical teaching.

    • Paul Peterson

      “An intellectual reading of the Bible clearly shows Christ did not support homosexuality.”

      I challenge you to come up with a single word that Christ said about homosexuality.

      • Uku Heinla

        Paul, please read Romans 1:27 ” And likewise the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which is fitting.” The entire chapter is about humans behaving badly. Please don’t repeat the lie that the Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality. Note that the act is condemned, but that salvation awaits those who receive Christ and repent.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        Did you choose to be straight? At what actual moment did you say I don’t want to be gay? The idea that a person would choose to live a life where they would be able to be fired if someone found out, ridiculed, beat, cursed & condemned to hell or not receive the same rights as someone else?
        When will Christians look at gay people as human beings. They have feelings, wants & needs. The content of their character is not determined by the color of their skin nor whom they love consensually or decide to have consensual sex with.
        They deserve to be treated with respect & to not be told that YOU need for them to receive Christ & repent.

      • Uku Heinla

        Glenna, it is sad indeed that you have to exaggerate my comment. I merely pointed out what scripture said. In the end the Lord will judge all of us. It is not my place to judge. I merely point out what the Bible says or doesn’t. You will have to live with your own conscience.

      • Peggy Sue

        Mr./Ms. Heinla: There you go with that whole “condescension thing” again. Hmmmm………

      • Uku Heinla

        What exactly is condescending about my remarks???
        Look in your own eye before pointing out the splinter in someone else’s.

      • Peggy Sue

        Oh my gosh, are you trying to be funny? You would have to be blind not to see the condescension in your remarks. Get a clue!

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        See, the problem with that is that it is the scripture. America is & always has been & should be a secular country. Our laws are not & should not be Biblical laws because in this country, we have many different faith traditions & not all of them have roots in the Bible.
        We are talking about CIVIL RIGHTS when we talk about homosexuals. Like it or not, they ARE American Citizens; they pay taxes, & they deserve the same basic benefits everyone else has. If they marry, they don’t make a heterosexual marriage invalid, nor any less sacred…the 2 people in the relationship are the only 2 who can do that. Divorce, infidelity & domestic violence do more to ruin marriage than any same sex marriages ever will. 2 people going into a marriage with the idea that if it doesn’t work out it is OK hurts marriage…people not working at a marriage hurts marriage.

        The idea that homosexuality is wrong is a biblical belief…it is YOUR belief & I don’t take that away from you & you are free to believe what you choose. But when you decide for others based on what you believe it takes away from their freedom & their belief & that is wrong because it says your belief is the only 1 that matters. I can live with God’s judgment & my conscience is clear. I hope that you have a really good day & that you & your family are blessed.

      • Paul Peterson

        Romans 1:27 is a letter from Paul, if I well remember. Not a word therein was spoken by Jesus. And I said nothing about the bible condemning homosexuality, I challenged you to come up with anything that JESUS (you know, the main guy, the one that you people claim you follow) said about it. I would think that if homosexuality was that important, that he would have said SOMETHING about it.

        On the other hand, he did talk a lot about the poor (which I noticed you avoided altogether). And he spoke about divorce, which none of you christians seem to protest.

    • Peggy Sue

      “Those who do not work, shall not eat”. So, we should not help feed those who are poor, sick, elderly, disabled, unable to find work, etc. because they cannot work??? Oh, and make sure you get your “tax deduction” when you file your taxes, for all that money you have given to charity to help those charities or organizations that help those in need. Oh, unless that line on your tax return says “$0.00” given to these charities because these people refuse to work!

      • Uku Heinla

        Once again, the emotional and self serving response rather than a reasoned response. The Bible says what it does. Clearly Christ wants us to be responsible for ourselves. That is why he gave us free will. Just because on one hand he talks about providing for yourself, this does not mean we ignore those who really need help. There is a difference between dependency and need. But your mind is made up and closed, so you will not listen. All I can say is try actually studying the Bible and pray for God’s wisdom to understand what he is saying to us. As Christ Himself would say “come and see”.

      • Peggy Sue

        Hardly a self-serving response. I don’t have much, but continue to give more than I can to others, thank you very much. You are one of the most condescending individuals I have seen on here. Did you ever stop to think that you don’t have all the answers either, and YOU should PRAY so you can be less judgmental. Also, please stop your preaching to the rest of us, who you obviously seem to think are less informed on the Bible than yourself! By the way, my relationship with God is absolutely great. Besides that, I don’t think the Bible is always 100% right about everything. It’s a human’s interpretation of things. As humans, we are all flawed and couldn’t possibly understand and know everything about life, and that includes you, too!

    • Kelli Hernandez

      Those who do not work, shall not eat? What a bunch of blathering BS! How many people are unemployed right now? Can you see any of these people outside your gated community? How should they eat if they can’t find a job?? Just curious!

      Do you even KNOW what Jesus greatest command was?

      LOVE ONE ANOTHER. And there is nothing about agendas and advocacy that hurts others spewed by the extremist right that supports love It is a lack of empathy, it is sin and it’s pathological.

  • Cathryn Sykes

    Jesus never said, “Blessed are the rich. Blessed are the war makers. Blessed are the arrogant.”

    He did say that the righteous are those who feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take in the stranger, and visit those who are sick or in prison. From what I’m seeing of the right-wing “Christians” they’re more likely to steal from the hungry, laugh at the naked, throw the stranger in jail and kick the sick to the curb to die.

    As for abortion, I had a long thread conversation with a RTLer on Huffpo about this, along the lines of”: “Abortion is murder!” “As soon as the egg is fertilized?” “Yes. From that moment on, it’s a human being!” “So when fertilization clinics throw thousands of fertilized eggs in the trash, that’s murder? Why aren’t you picketing and shutting down fertilization clinics?” “You stupid liberal, those fertilized eggs aren’t viable. They can’t be implanted in the uterus!” “So why, when scientists wanted to use them for stem cell research, was that called ‘murder’ by people like you?” “You damn baby killer! You just love to cut up babies into pieces, don’t you?!’

  • anon1

    Believe it or not, there are many Christians who are on board with almost all socially progressive initiatives and who despise the GOP and the hypocritical “Christians” of whom you write, BUT … who are still anti-abortion. I post this not to argue about it, but because I believe many “lefties” don’t know we exist.

    • Kelli Hernandez

      i know you exist and while I don’t agree with your view on abortion, I respect it.

  • Jonathan Arndt

    They are also the people who will never read this because they may accidentally have to think about their actions.

  • Vicki Trusselli

    yeah i was told by a relative that used to think like me until she married the man and he talked her into being a republican tea party and mormon. we had gone our separate ways for 30 years and just started talking in 2010. she told me on facebook that i was mean and hateful and then several times i posted things and she would take it personally and twist what i said into something else. i deleted her and her daughter and another relative who got mad at me because i told her obama was not a muslim. all three girls are tea party followers and go to church every week, pray and hate obama and vote repugs tea party mentality. they can not stand me either cause by golly i am not a tea sipper with them…they are full of crap….like my grammy raised me do not hate the person but you can not like their ways…..as far as i am concerned i do not want to see them for another 30 years………….

  • Glenn Jericho

    Yes, I’m a “Progressive Christian” because Jesus taught that healthcare and welfare are procured from the tip of a Roman spear.
    Funny how you can refute an entire “Progressive” article with just one sentence.

  • Aren

    As a Christ follower, I am saddened by this post. Jesus Christ never came to reform the goverment, laws, or political parties. In fact, that is the very reason why so many people did not agree he was the promised one. The religious group at that time wanted a political savior. What they got was someone who broke tradition, valued women, the oppressed and showed great compassion and love. He also showed anger towards the religious judgment and corruption.

    We who follow Christ as a personal relationship and not as a religion do have a duty. Our duty is to show a Christ like example. That example does not include picketing, forcing our morals into political issues, or judging anyone else.

    • Aren

      Instead of being offended, take action. Show love and compassion to those you meet. Act kindly when driving. Help your neighbor. Volunteer in your community. Adopt kids or foster. Give money and share food. Support the oppressed. Listen without judgment.

      We can make a difference by taking accountability for the representation of Christ we portray.

      • Aren

        Last use your best resource. Learn to pray. Pray for yourself, pray for your family, pray for our county and our political leaders. Pray for the moral issues you are concerned about. Pray that our eyes open to seeing people as God sees them and that we always have the ability to show love and grace

  • Kenyon Ledford

    Repilot, I’m speaking about limits such as in patience. If he did not have limits, why did he lose his temper with the money changers?

  • Robert Krawczyk

    Wow, you’re really off track. 1st: It’s best to help people by creating good jobs, not destroying them. Doing policy that helps the economy grow is what you folks need to do. The only thing hurting the middle class is tax hikes & the oxymoron Affordable HealthCare, ObamaCare. Why are unions all around the nation calling for exemptions? Because it’s lousy & more expensive insurance. We are in the worst recovery ever following a recession. That’s why we have record breaking folks on food stamps. When a economy flourishes less folks need food stamps, not more. Jesus taught that it is better to teach a man to fish then just giving him fish. It’s always good to help folks but the goal is to get them to help themselves, not become permanent wards of the state. I don’t know anybody who’s faith is based on the 3 things you state. Caring for the unborn is compassion, snuffing out their lives for convenience is selfish & immoral. It is murder to those who cherish life. The beat thing anybody could do for anyone is to teach them how to be self sufficient. Where’s your compassion? Are you claiming compassion by spending other peoples money? JFK would totally disagree with the policies of today. They are not new. We will all be like Detroit if we don’t change course soon. Libs seem only to be about taking out the life of the unborn, high taxation on everybody & want to push their views by law on everybody. They seen to hate the Bill of Rights, always complaining about speech, religious rights, they don’t mind the loss of privacy nor do they mind the administration targeting folks who disagree with his policies, using the IRS & Justice Dept. to intimidate them. Last Pres who did this (on a much smaller scale) was forced to resign. Where are your standards? Ethics? Integrity? I know, as long as you can kill babies everything else doesn’t matter, right?

    • anon1

      Jesus didn’t actually teach that fish thing. That was probably Ben Franklin or someone like that. Jesus multiplied fish, which doesn’t work for your argument at all.

  • Patterman

    Good on you, Allen Clifton, especially for having to live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, where I’m sure you have to live with a lot more of these obnoxious phony “Christians” than I do in the San Francisco Bay Area. But believe it or not, they’re here too. And just as obnoxious. Maybe even more so, since they feel extra “persecuted” here.

    • Kelli Hernandez

      LOL! I bet I know why too!

  • Doogoodar Will

    That sounds bitter and uninformed.And Jesus DID say he Affirmed ALL LAWS given to Moses,Abraham and David.Read a bible and stop judging ChristiansThe real ones are not judging you..

  • Dan Francis

    And this is why people like myself, not even Christian, know that there Bible(“Buybull” given the way it’s been torn apart, mistranslated, manipulated and otherwise not understood by these devolved idiots who can’t even read at a third grade level) better than they do. It’s also why people like myself, cry for rationality.

  • Kelli Hernandez

    I completely agree with this. The hate, bigotry, hypocrisy, all of it, is PATHOLOGICAL behavior. You do know what pathological behavior is, right? We are run by sociopaths in power. They exploit ‘Christians’ hatred, hypocrisy and bigotry, and then send the minion out to scapegoat all the groups they hate. Make sense?

    These people are mentally disordered. And until people wake up and see the narcissism in it, it will remain the same.

    We need to be clear that there is evil in the world, hiding behind the cloak of Christ. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing and many blindly follow them.

    They are callous, lack empathy and are human predators. They prey on the most vulnerable and who is more vulnerable than the ignorant who don’t even realize they’re being exploited. They are in every church, sit next to you in the pews, sit on church boards and positions on power in government.

    What makes these people even more evil, is that they are actively spiritually abusive and separating people through hate, as well as from God through abuse and pain. They need to be stopped. I deal with their victims everyday….it is truly evil…

  • JenellYB

    I’m even MORE fed up with feigned ignorance (claiming not to know the ‘facts’ when they do) and deliberate ignorance (determined refusal to even look at or consider acts that might discredit their opinions). I’m even more fed up with deliberately distorting facts, and outright lies and fabrications, to ‘support’ their evil judgment and condemnation of others and denials of truth and reality, in so very many things. I’m even more fed up with refusal to even acknowledge or engage in rational discussion of REAL issues (poverty, the plight of the unemployed, lack of access to health care) by instant and incessant ‘rebuttals’ about how they see all those people at the grocery store using food stamps to buy cart loads of luxury foods they then load into luxury cars, or how they “personally know” people using food stamps to buy cars as expensive flat screen tv sets and drugs and living ‘better than us hard working honest people’ on government welfare handouts. There is no way to engage these people in ANY kind of intelligent, meaningful discussion on any such issues. They will make up any lie to demonstrate and ‘prove’ their hateful falsehoods and dare you to call out even their most blatant lies that are totally transparent for the multitude of internal and internal inconsistencies and contradictions in them. And I’m fed up with their “our gang against anyone that dares call out the lies” mentality, that will rush to jump on the one calling another out the lies of another of “their own.” I am fed up with this prevailing culture of not just any ordinary kind of lies, but malicious slanderous lies. And I’m fed up with the self-righteous outrage of the ones that call themselves “Christians,” when I remind them (or inform them since many don’t even know) the “the Devil” in the New Testament is translated from the Greek “Diablos”, which literally means slanderer, false accuser, and his language is the lie.

  • devans

    A few lines before the end, there was a mentioning of “true Christians”, finally. This whole article was about kooks, people who are so off balance, they use Christianity as a weapon. These people give the :true Christians” a bad name. Understandably. I am here to tell you however, that a true christian, does not and would not, be unkind to homosexuals, or anyone else even if we believed their lifestyle was spoken against in the Bible. We welcome anyone into our church, where the Pastor is not about racism, earning more money, or hatered of any kind. Only thing he hates is sin. I personally don’t thik you can expect a person to live a certain Biblical way unless they first believe that the Bible is the word of God. And another thing, the christians I know and hang with, feed the poor, clothe the needy, care for children in need at Christmas time, provide scholarships to help kids who can’t afford the fees to play basketball in our area, provide marriage counseling free of charge, and Many other things to help people who don’t go to our church, and maybe never will.

  • MissNovemberTuesday

    AGREED 100%

  • T. Walker

    Allen Clifton must not know any true Christians…he certainly doesn’t know anything about them……

  • Mark Strange

    No true christian would [ Insert claim]. I believe there is a very good argument for peace and love in Jesus messages. But the bible has conflicting messages from supposedly the same guy. Mathew 5:17-19 “Think not that I am
    come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but
    to fulfill.

    For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise
    pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore
    shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he
    shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall
    do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” Is clearly in support of old testament law. Lets not assume they don’t have their passages to quote as well.

  • lioness

    I don’t care that homosexuality is a choice or born with it. I think it depends upon the person. But what difference does it make? It is there lives, and all of my very good friends are one or the other. Why would I care who they love? Unless of course, they cannot carry an intelligent conversation. As far as the ‘religious’ right goes, I was raised fundamental baptist. I do not think any of these conservative Christians follow in the footsteps of Jesus. It is why I am not involved in any organized religion. They are not kind, they do not care about anyone who is not exactly like themselves. they fear, they hate, they do not love. exactly the opposite of Jesus. I now consider myself Atheist.

  • lioness

    oops! darn auto-correct, I meant to say their lives, not there. I can spell!

  • louis

    for me, my fear is that these right wing psychos are going to force the rest of us into violence in order to free ourselves from their oppression. GW, you are obviously an intelligent, well informed person. you hit the nail on the head. I raise my children to see these people for what they are and to avoid them and ignore them all together. However, they do have our country and alot of our citizens future in a stranglehold. Waiting for them to die off is going to take way too long. I wish I knew the answer, but I dont believe that we are going to get thru this without violence when our enemy covets death and mass murder so much. Our real enemies of the state come from both parties, but for right now, the more dangerous is the right.

  • Mike

    If a modified AK is not Jesus-approved, is a factory standard one OK with the Lord and Savior? And when exactly did Jesus speak on the subject of AK’s? All I’ve ever seen was him talking of swords, directing his followers to arm themselves. “Then said He unto them,
    “But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it and likewise his pack;
    and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.”

    I could also point out that the said modified AK is actually less powerful that your average hunting rifle, and that the modification from factory standard actually reduces it’s firepower, but I think this would be going against a major article of the author’s faith – guns are evil, and AK is the evilest of them all.

    I’d also like to know where this information about there being fewer bisexuals than homosexuals comes from. Is there some new research? And where does this idea that being bisexual is “better” than being gay come from? In case you are not aware of this, to a bigot they are all fags, unless they are pretty girls making out. And anyway, do you not see how awful and prejudiced that idea is?

    And how can you ask which government plan Jesus would support? What about “give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s”?

    If you are going to teach Christianity to Christians, shouldn’t you at least study the literature?

    That, by the way, is a rhetorical question. I am fairly certain the object here is not to point out the error of their ways, but rather to score some cheap points with people who already agree with you.

  • Clint McInnes

    The only comment that Jesus made about homosexuality, even tangentially, was in Matthew 8:5-12 and Luke 7:1-10 where the army officer sent to Him to ask for healing for his servant. In just about any contemporary context, the “servant” would be his gay lover. And Jesus commended the centurion for his faith.

    That doesn’t sound like a denouncement of homosexuality to me.

  • Mark Strange

    Devils advocate here: If Jesus is God and God is Jesus, the same God of the old testament, then he is the same guy that said homosexuality is a sin. How then can you say Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, when he did when he was God of the Old Testament?

    • Mike

      For a Christian the New Testament is the guidebook. The Old Testament is a kind of a historic document. Christians don’t follow the other rules in the OT, such as eating kosher, not wearing clothing of mixed fibers, etc, explaining this with NT supplanting the OT. BTW, eating forbidden foods (pork, shrimp, stuff like that) is literally next on the list after homosexuality and is described using the same words, equally as bad.

      I find this idea of cherrypicking Biblical rules strange. How can you ignore parts of a holy book?

      • Mark Strange

        Conservative Christians would argue that every law in the old testament still stands, unless he said otherwise. He condemned people who didn’t help people on the sabbath day, thus doing away with having to keep the sabbath at least so strictly. Also he eats “unclean” meat and tells people its what you take out of your mouth (say) that makes you unclean not what you put into your mouth (eat) doing way with that law as well. It’s not cherry picking, they’d argue, it’s simple matter of fulfillment. God changed a rule, his prerogative, cause he created them. By not saying homosexually was no okay, he basically said it still wasn’t.

      • Mike

        Well, the explanation that I provided, I got from a priest. Perhaps it is not so for all flavors of Christianity.

      • Mark Strange

        I would say that’s a good assumption. There are over 30,000 different flavors, so many flavors, they need to open a Baskin Robbins. They all think the “KNOW” what god says, what he wants, what he thinks and they love to condemn the others as heretics.

  • Sarah

    Christianity. The new form of bullying. Haha. Not all Christians like myself, but many.

  • K_Ann

    I wonder when Mr. Clifton decided to dedicate himself to inspiring hate and ill will among men? Because he hates Christians so much – he seeks to inspire others to blame them for all the worlds ills. Care about the poor – one thing is certain – Progressives certainly don’t. What Progressives want is to APPEAR to care about the poor; that way they can use government programs to keep people in poverty and maintain a voting block by “appearing” to care about people. Should we remind Mr. Clifton that conservative Christians actually give more to charity and do more worldwide than Progressive groups; but I guess vaccination programs, soup kitchens, schools, hospitals etc aren’t really acts of caring. And on the abortion issue – there is no greater act of hate than murder and there is no way to spin that; and all of us are victims of that decision – to pretend that abortion and its consequent loss of respect for human life does not affect society as a whole is probably the most glaring act of willful ignorance in America today.

    Progressives further attempt to persuade the unthinking masses that government programs can create jobs. Consider that every dollar government spends it has to take from somewhere – it creates nothing. If government takes my money to build a bridge etc then a hairdresser or a restaurant worker etc is diminished and tax enough people – businesses go under. Even more heinous is that government doesn’t just steal from living taxpayers but knowingly and willingly burdens our future children with backbreaking debt. In other words Progressives hate children – they are stealing our children’s future so they can stay in office. So many of our social programs are abused or simply don’t work. How can anyone with a straight face pretend they care when they willingly and gladly steal our children’s future to support a burgeoning welfare state?

    So conservatives are evil because they care about their children – guilty as charged – I do care about children and will not apologize for that.

    I just wish Progressives would own up to their true agenda

    • wiredpup

      Why so butt hurt? Typical CINO behavior. Bless your heart.

  • seadoc

    Perfect… Jesus said in the last days, “depart from me you workers of inequity, I never knew you???”

  • Rachel Groeneveld

    What I identify with in this article is the more the Mr. Clifton writes, the more angry he becomes, sarcastic & even cynical. Understanding these are negative things to feel, I relate to feeling passionate about injustice….even morally outraged. And we should be outraged by things that are reprehensible. I cannot call myself a born-again Christian any longer. My views haven’t changed- theirs have. The Republican party is imploding from within because the extremists have hijacked the political process, and have diverted attention from real issues that do matter, to ones of religious or moral issues- which is largely subjective.

    Here is common sense- that I wish rational thinking Republicans would wrap their heads around- marriage is not a religious right. If it were all we would have to do is go to our local church and be done with it. But we don’t- we have to go to our courthouse (and actually never have to set foot in a church) to legally validate a marriage. If marriage were a religious right, atheists would be no more married than anyone else that hasn’t had a church wedding. Can we start there?

    Some of the most vile things I have witnessed first hand in my life have come from professed Evangelicals, pastors even. I do not stand in judgement of them, that’s not my job. But please bear me the same regard in return, and get out of my way.

    Thank you 🙂

  • Last night’s bible study (in Orange County, CA) brought out much of the same, but it’s nothing I don’t already expect from some there. Lately, rather than use a study guide or self discovery, we’ve opted for listening to J. Vernon McGee’s ‘sermons’ on the book of Exodus. Not only am I NOT a fan of this format, but JVM’s southern-style embellishments & extreme political infusions from whatever century he recorded these in just broke the camel’s back last night. In Chap. 21 he gets to the ‘eye for an eye’ / ‘death for death’ parts & begins to justify it with whinings about liberalism, hippies, et al. He expands on a another part by saying if a man ‘rapes her, he must ask for her hand’ or some such thing – and I decided right THERE that I was done with this! Asking if they remember how Jesus CORRECTED this only drew defensive reactions. The problem is our leader loves McGee and will let no one even question this in any way. So… we’re taking a break. I may need the time to look for a new study. Shame too, since I’ve been with these same core guys for a decade…

  • You forgot going on and on about the evils of “Darwinism”. That’s the fourth pillar, despite advocating social Darwinism in their policies.

  • John Thornton

    Excellent article. Matthew 25 makes it pretty clear what is expected of a Christian nation. Taking care of people, the poor, the sick, the homeless. Romans 13 makes it clear that the government has a role in taking care of the people. James 1:27 “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”
    Jesus supported paying taxes, and even paid taxes himself. Yes it is in the Bible!
    And above all, Jesus said love God and love your neighbors, and just so it was not missed, several times Jesus said to love your enemies.

  • Misplaced

    You poor, poor man! What in the world are you in Texas, where about as many people agree with you as Arkansans do with me? As someone who was unceremoniously planted in an inhospitable environment by an unfriendly job market, I extend my sympathies.

  • Lizzie

    The day my fundamentalist aunt made my best friend cry for liking girls, I wrote her brand of god off forever. That’s just not right.

  • Gail Seaton Humbert

    Now I’m not saying all Republican Christians fall into this category.. And it’s these people who make any sensible Republican look insane. Hell, these people make true Christians look insane.
    Right-wing radicals who base their whole faith on just three “values” — church attendance, their stance against homosexuality and not supporting abortions.
    Just don’t ask them to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless or clothe the needy — you know, some of the key values for which Jesus actually stood.
    To them, that’s not Christianity — that’s “evil socialism.”