John Boehner Hammers Tea Party: ‘They’ve Lost All Credibility’

1957307_10152231555427489_1868403875_nThe Republican “establishment” – as they’re sometimes called by tea party conservatives – has dug themselves into a precarious position.  Early on in Obama’s presidency they essentially “sold their souls” to the tea party in a calculated effort to sabotage President Obama and our entire economy.

Well, that didn’t exactly work out for them – and now they don’t know what to do. They opened the proverbial “Pandora’s box” and they really can’t come up with a solution on how to proceed.

These established Republicans like John Boehner and Mitch McConnell can’t side with President Obama and Democrats because they spent the last several years doing everything they could to slander them as much as possible.  Their goal with President Obama wasn’t to be factual about anything.  They just wanted to muddy the waters enough so that people weren’t sure what was – or wasn’t – the truth.

They successfully created an atmosphere around President Obama to where anything he says or does, conservatives essentially do the opposite.  It’s the joke many liberals have used, “If President Obama came out in favor of oxygen, Republicans would suffocate.”

But at the same time, tea party Republicans are attacking their own.  They’re causing just as much of a headache for the Republican party as they are for Democrats – if not more so.


The Republicans who might want to try to actually govern, can’t without tea party conservatives flipping out in some irrational temper-tantrum where they say things like Jenny Beth Martin, co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, said:

“Speaker Boehner is unable to lead the House of Representatives.  He’s certainly unable to lead his own caucus.”

All because Boehner allowed a clean vote in the House on raising the debt ceiling.

Now they’re trying to get a movement going where they would vote him out as Speaker of the House simply because he allowed the House of Representatives to vote on something and it passed. 

That’s it.

For the past 5 years Republicans have done a great job at obstructing almost anything and everything.  Now that the American people have grown tired of that, and have largely blamed Republicans for it, they’re trying to correct that course somewhat – but they can’t.  The tea party doesn’t believe in reality or facts.  They only believe in their own made up propaganda.

After all, it’s an “American travesty” that our government worked as laid out by our Constitution.

Well, John Boehner fired back at the tea party, saying:

“I think they’re misleading their followers.  They’re pushing our members in places where they don’t want to be and, frankly, I just think that they’ve lost all credibility.”

And I agree with him completely.  The tea party has firmly cemented their reputation as a movement that bases their rhetoric off some delusional reality instead of what’s actually happening.

I’ve said plenty of times that one of the biggest problems with tea party Republicans is that they believe what they want to be real instead of what is real.  Facts, reality and common sense don’t apply because none of it matters when it comes to what they want to be real.

Even going back to the government shutdown.  Just about every expert, and even many Republicans, said that shutting down the government was absolutely pointless.  Under no circumstances were these tea party Republicans like Ted Cruz going to get what they wanted.

But none of that change their minds.  Not only did they support the shutdown, they blamed Democrats and President Obama for it even though Republicans like John Boehner said it was caused by the GOP.

You know you’re delusional when people within your own party are blaming your own party for the government shutdown, but that has absolutely no impact on your belief that the shutdown was caused by someone else.

What the tea party has done is give a voice to those who act without rationality.  Sure, each party has its far left or right leaning radicals, but they’ve never had a platform where they could have an impact.


But now they do.  And it’s called the tea party.

And what I’ve been saying for a while now is coming to fruition more and more.  The Republican party unleashed the tea party and now they have no idea how to control it.

Trust me though, I don’t feel the least bit sorry for them.  They’re the ones who gave power to these right-wing radicals who’ve been the primary reason why our Congress has been possibly the least productive Congress in United States history.

They’re the ones who put their selfish ambitions above what was best for this country.  They’re the ones who decided that beating President Obama was more important than helping Americans find jobs.  They’re the ones who believed that lies aren’t lies as long as enough people believe in them.

And now they’re the ones having to deal with the monster they created.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • JZ71

    nailed it!

  • Veritas vos Liberabit

    Fixed delusions are symptoms of psychosis. The Tea party is composed by a group of psychotic individuals feeding from each others delusions and passing them to the gullible, uninformed public, in specific those who believe that only one specific ethnicity can govern effectively. And for as long as they have the voices of propagandists hate monger folks spewing garbage in the airwaves, the more those delusions will manifest. Boehner is wrong when he said “…”I just think that they lost all credibility”. You see, no one can lose anything they never had. Only that the GOP believed they had, and now they’re finding out via “the hard way”. Put on your survival mechanisms on high gear, GOP, you’ll need it.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      (a) he wants to get re-elected,,,,,,,,,,(b) fixed delusions are evidence of a “testarudo” belief ( see: religion) in addition of psychosis.
      come to think of it: the term “psychosis” seems a bit tame to describe these voodoo children

      • Stephen Barlow

        Too bad.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        you must realize how flattered I am to have these regressive crybabies making fake profiles just to TRY 2 irk me!
        LOVE all the white trash tea party”Christian” scum I destroy

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ibid

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        wow—
        we love how I am so omnipotent that small dicked LOSERS such as YOU and KKKyle and “mantid man” GIAN KEYS have 2 make fake profiles to cry—!!
        the audience is ‘tummie hurting’ with levity!

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ibid..

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        non sequitur

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        oh: I forgot– pizza is NOT on my in house ( not 2 be confused with my catering) menu. triple peppercorn brandy “au poivre” bordelaise covered beef tenderloin is. shall we have extra cole slaw for YOUR KFC home-style dinner?
        little boys? wow– either U are myopic or still cannot differentiate boys and LARGE BREASTED women.
        that’s what happens to onanistic religious white tyrash crybabies such as thee!
        ” please continue GOVNA”

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ibid.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        repeat

      • Stephen Barlow

        See last entry. or IBID if you were literate enough.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        same place,,,,,,,,,,
        again: non sequitur

  • Green_Devil

    We’ve known from the beginning the teatards are a bunch of insane bible-thumping racists and Boehner and McConnell, in order to make Obama a 1-term president, sold their soul to those devils, reveling in their anarchy and not bright enough (or so blinded in their 1 term goal) to realize that this insanity could be turned towards them the moment those paranoid loons felt like Boehner/McConnell weren’t giving them 100% of what they wanted. Teatards are like 4 year olds who don’t understand the meaning of the word NO or of compromise and throw tantrums when they don’t get their way, like with Cruz orchestrating the government shutdown. I think Boehner finally realized just how nuts the teatards are not when they shut down the government, but when Cruz was claiming he wasn’t behind it and it was all the black man’s fault.

    • strayaway

      Although the shutdown was a bi-partisan effort, a better case could be made that Obama shut down the government. Republicans compromised from their original position of defunding the (un)ACA. Obama refused any compromise. Remember that in the second round, the Republican House only asked that certain mandates of the (un)ACA be postponed for one year. The Democratic Senate refused to consider that budget bill passed by the House and Obama said if it was passed, he would veto it. That’s when time ran out. The President then proceeded to try to make life more miserable for Americans by shutting down national parks, veterans’ monuments, and even by threatening priests who tried to say mass for free to US service personnel. The press blamed all these petty assaults on Americans on Republicans although they, not Obama, compromised.

      The wonderful irony is that since Republicans buckled, Obama has by executive fiat legislated that those same (un)ACA deadlines be extended for a year that Republicans had offered as a compromise. A couple of days ago, he had to extend those same mandates until 2016 to protect Democrats in 2014. Had Obama instead waved his magic legislative wand earlier and compromised with Republicans the shutdown would have been avoided.

      • Gary Smith

        Just no.

        The truthful case is that the Republicans shut down the government. Full stop.

        Hostage takers do not get to demand compromise, and that’s exactly what happened.

        If the president had caved in to the demands of proven obstructionist contrarians, every legislative disagreement would have ended up in a showdown with govt shutdown as the threat. That tact could not be allowed any measure of success.

      • strayaway

        You are arguing that it’s Obama’s way or the highway. This is the argument of every dictator in the world. There was no hostage except compromise. That is how government is supposed to work in this Country.

      • Green_Devil

        45 times Congress tried to repeal ObamaCare. They failed. It was challenged in the Supreme Court. The challenge failed. The only way to try to overturn it was for that dizzy fucking cunt Cruz to try to hold the country hostage. All he succeeded in doing was knocking a full half point off our country’s economic growth and costing the US taxpayers $23 billion for his publicity stunt, yet assholes like you are standing in line to get on your knees and suck his dick and worship him as some sort of fucking hero when the truth is, if someone with brown skin from a mideast country who worships Allah did to the US what Cruz did, you’d be howling like castrated monkeys to have someone put a bullet in the skull of that AmeriKKKa–hatin’ mooslem terrorist.

      • strayaway

        Cruz had every right to talk all night when the Congress wouldn’t even normally be in session. You are denying that after the Republican House mostly compromised and only sought to delay parts of the (un)ACA for a year, something Obama has since done, that Democrats refused to compromise preferring to shut functions of government down. You don’t seem to get the irony of Democrats being ok with delaying those same mandates when Obama delayed them.

        As to cock sucking and castration that you fantasized about, that says more about your interests and what goes through your mind such as it is.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        23.8 billion to be exact: courtesy of the financially prudent tea party crybabies.
        enjoy the show——–

      • Avatar

        Ted Cruz never talked all of the night when he filibustered before the first government shutdown. He only spoke for two hours out of 21 hours. He literally got his goons doing most of his works. Nice try.

      • strayaway

        Wrong. Google the Washington post article, “Cruz ends anti-Obamcare talkathon after 21 hours”. What I find intriguing is that Hillary would be the second oldest president ever elected and she already looks tired. Imagine that she had to debate a guy who has that much more vitality!

      • Dusty2

        Well said!

      • Stephen Barlow

        I BET the Reds try to use that 1/2 point of SHUTDOWN growth retardation as talking point. The GDP would be over 3% with no shutdown.

        it would be almost 4% if any of the infrastructure/jobs bills had been implemented. 150% increase in the stock market, record corporate profits and the entire 5 years growth of the largest ecnonmy on earth in the pockets of less than half a million tax filers and YOU…

        wanna congoline dance with Ted Cruz poking your bung, singing like Bart Simpson, “I Didn’t Fo It Man!”.

        As if it was worth $24 Billion to trim that growth back by14% on the year.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        please enjoy the show,,,,,,,,,,,, and get some new diapers and tissue for your bodily expulsions

      • Stephen Barlow

        NO! We are rightfully stating that ENOUGH SEDITION IS ENOUGH! the next bit of Sedition is TREASON!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        unless they are a white trash tea party scum,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, then its simply called “patriotism”
        ( and probably misspelled)

      • strayaway

        I agree but there are too many Democrats in the Senate who would never impeach the president.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Clever. Is that why Ted CRuz hasn’t been censured yet? ‘Too many Democrats’?

      • Avatar

        Hush, your comments are getting most of thumb downs while other respond to your comments got all thumbs up. You’re failing and you should stay in Breitbart and The Blaze websites.

        Shhhhhh…..

      • strayaway

        Sheep are always concerned with being part of the flock and thinking like all the other sheep . It works to a point but one day the shepherds they trust put them on a one way truck ride. At least they can enjoy their thumbs up meanwhile. I just gave you a thumbs up. Enjoy.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        we are soooooooooooo worried

      • Avatar

        I said you should stay in Breitbart or the Blaze. I never ask for your biblical response.

      • Thus proving the point of the article. Believing what you THINK is real instead of what IS real.

      • M Graff

        so, it’s OK if republicans demand everything or nothing, but if Obama does it, he’s a dictator? I’m not sure I trust your logic.

      • strayaway

        Please follow along. After their first budget bill was rebuffed by Senate Democrats, Republican House members passed another budget asking only that facets of the (un)ACA be postponed for a year. However Senate Democrats refused to consider this compromise and time ran out.

        But yes, the Constitution only grants Congress the power to legislate. At last count, by one estimate, President Obama has made 24 changes to the bill. Some of those might have just been administrative but other were major changes to the bill such as postponing implementation for two years. If Obama can do that under the guise of administering the bill then the next Republican president can postpone funding and implementing any or all parts of it too. I doubt that you will be on board with that.

      • Sandy Greer

        Gotta laugh at the POV of strayaway:

        That Obama oh-so-cleverly ‘maneuvered’ the GOP into shutting down the government, for which they got blamed.

        And GOP fell for it.

        And just when Bobby Jindal said the GOP should stop being the ‘stupid’ party, they allow themselves to be manipulated by the very president they scorn.

        LOL, thanks for the laugh, strayaway.

      • strayaway

        No, Obama just realized that his (un)ACA mandates were going to hurt the Democratic Party in 2014. It’s probably more a matter of incompetency than maneuvering. He should have done it earlier not that he really had the constitutional power to change laws but that is another matter.

      • Sandy Greer

        You argued that the Party of No is the Party of Stupid:

        That they allowed themselves to be manipulated into doing what they didn’t want to do (shut down the govt) by a president they scorn.

        And that they fell for it: Hook, line, and sinker. Even knowing in advance they’d take the blame – just like the last time they ‘shut ‘er down’ (during Clinton presidency)

        ^^^No wonder the GOP is in trouble, and losing ground with the American people. Who wants to vote for ‘stupid’?

      • strayaway

        No Sandy, please read my previous response. I suggested that Obama was probably exhibiting a measure of incompetence as illustrated by his allowing the government to go into partial shutdown and then went ahead and did exactly what he shutdown the government for when he refused to compromise with Republicans who had proposed the same remedy.

      • Green_Devil

        Well, if we swallow your argument, then Obama did exactly what the teatards wanted but party fucking bonus, in doing so, he managed to reduce their popularity to that of a steaming pile of dogshit, got Boehner pissed off and caused McConnell fatal political damage, have caused a huge schism in the GOP, and pretty much assured a Dem victory in 2014 and 2016. Incompetent? Sounds pretty savvy to me.

      • strayaway

        I doubt that the illusive and largely imaginary straw man tea partiers wanted Obama to shut down the government. They probably would have been somewhat satisfied if Obama would have delayed his mandates which he eventually did after causing some damage by allowing the government to partially shut down. It’s probably a good idea to get corporatist puppets like Boehner and McConnell out of the way anyway schism or not. If no one tried to rock the boat, we would still be part of the British Empire. The largely imaginary tea party’s fight against the status quo is pretty tame and ineffective in comparison as you correctly point out.

      • Green_Devil

        Please, did you listen to any of them — especially Cruz– when they were running for office? They explicitly said they wanted to shut down the government. And the incumbency rate is about 90%- without the teatards, McConnell’s getting reelected until he dies. Thanks to the teatards, unless they change course, McConnell’s seat is turning blue.

        And I resent these racist corporatist dupes being compared to the real Tea Party patriots, who had a clue. They’ve co=opted a movement that had some intelligence behind it and turned it into an embarrassing derp-fest whose “news” source is so bad it’s banned as propaganda in Canada.

      • strayaway

        Now you’re on record as stating that Cruz “explicitly said they wanted to shut down the government.” That isn’t a half bad idea, the world didn’t end, but can you cite where Cruz said that? You’re not making this up are you?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        imaginary?
        wow—!!! the most watched news ( news???) channel on cable has doubled down on that TEA PARTY as they are now more actively trumpeting cretins such as Bachmann and cruz and tea party Christians…
        wow– imaginary!!! ( will concur that soon they will be invisible though)

      • Stephen Barlow

        SO you admit your cause has an imaginary straw existence.

      • strayaway

        Stevie, you weren’t paying attention. I already pointed out that tea party activism peaked in 2010. I don’t see any major tea party rallies anymore. Big money set up rival tea party organizations to channel tea party energy but that seemed take the steam out of grass level support. Who knows? Maybe that was the intent. So what we are left with is a largely fictitious entity that can be defined any way by progressives looking for a villain to raise campaign money from conditioned sheeple; sort of like an updated version of villainizing the supporters of Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984.

        The closest we have to a tea party today is a small number of politicians referred to as tea party Republicans who generally oppose the interests of the status quo as supported by most Democrats and Republicans. There was also an occupy movement on the left but that too has been pretty much dismantled and might have even fewer members in congress. I can’t even think of any.

      • Stephen Barlow

        The “grassroots” drunkredneckbannerwavingilliterate TPeople peaked in 2011. The MONEY behind the ‘grassroots’ deception is still alive and thanks to SCOTUS hidden.

        they set up ‘rival’ TP orgs so they can launder money between the groups!!! Koch to Crossroads to beck to FreedomWrites to Senate Conservatives to … is EXACTLY how they funneled foreign money into the California prop fights in 2012. Imagine how much of this paper shuffling was done to FAIL beating Obama?

        Just like the Cartels taught them to do.

        The reason the OWS people failed was MASSIVE ASSAULTS, Pepper Sprayings, Arrests…

        Even ARMED TPer’s stalking people in the RED state capitols didn’t even get a second look, while OWSer’s got peppersprayed for SITTING STILL!

        At least the REDS didn’t use snipers, and automatic weapons on the citizens as Yankoff (you know who) in the Ukraine did this week.

        Did you know that the COP who sprayed 30 people in Oakland got more of a settlement than all 30 victims got combined when he sued the city for mental distress?

      • strayaway

        I didn’t even know there were major elections in 2011 so it’s strange that the tea party movement would peak in 2011 as you claim. Are you saying that all this brutality on the OWS people happened under Obama? Maybe they should have just gotten into line and supported the TPP like Obama.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I don’t think strayaway likes facts

      • Stephen Barlow

        Just double checking. Is this YOU? “…the illusive and largely imaginary straw man tea partiers…”
        ???

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yeahhhh baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee………………… tea party???

        ” we will show Obama……..we will sit here and hold our breath”

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hell yes!!! big chested slim baybeeeeeeeeees!!!!
        ,,,,,,,,, hows your fake profile creation doing? doesn’t it interfere with your masturbating?

      • Stephen Barlow

        That’s aboutthe size of it. kinda reminds you of the Debate, where Romney got caught lying on national TV and Obama handed him more rope. “Go on…”

      • Sandy Greer

        So, strayaway’s argument is that ‘incompetence’ manipulates the GOP into acting against their own best interests.

        Agree with Green Devil. Tho I wouldn’t put it quite so indelicately as he does. 😉

        Seems pretty ‘savvy’ to me. Perhaps strayaway cares to argue Obama is not given the credit he is due, for being so clever and savvy as to paint the GOP right into a corner of their own making, LOL

      • strayaway

        Again, no, read what I wrote in response to your fantasy. I wrote, “Obama just realized that his (un)ACA mandates were going to hurt the Democratic Party in 2014. It’s probably more a matter of incompetency than maneuvering.” Notice that I separated your concept of maneuvering from incompetence. Then you go on fantasizing that I am not giving Obama the credit he is do unless you mean that I give Obama most of the credit for shutting the government down; which I do given that he refused to negotiate.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        negotiate what? when U play poker U don’t win without viable cards to play,,,,,,,,,
        tea party cards?? ” crying” and making certain that even screwing (most of) America didn’t matter as the tea party base will continue to vote in canards such as cruz and Rubio and Bachmann ( if she does run again)
        Obama allowed the clearly poor “leadership” of the scum party to show how regressive they are—–
        that; my “good” man– is how to win

      • Sandy Greer

        IDK, strayaway, anyway you cut it, you seem to argue that ‘incompetence’ was smart enough/clever enough/savvy enough to pull the wool over the eyes of the GOP.

        And they fell for it, LOL

        ^^^Makes the Party of No the Party of Stupid.

        No wonder they’re in trouble, when even their supporters put forth this as an argument.

      • strayaway

        Sandy, You sound like you are starting to believe your own myths.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        rightwing crybaby Obama haters will never give him credit for anything. remember bin ladin? that wasn’t Obama,,,,,,,,,,, it was our military

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yeah baybeeeeeeeeee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, “allow” the govt to go into shutdown: similar to allowing a crybaby child to not eat because they wanted chicken instead of stew,,,,,,
        ,,,,,,,and allow the tea party and GOP to look even more brilliant

      • Pipercat

        Ah good ol’e Strayawayticus (He who is fallacy incarnate), one minor problem with this notion. There were two budget resolutions and one budget request sitting in Boehner’s office gathering dust. You know, the budget process! Yet, the House never did anything to come to conference except take photo ops and pretend to be reasonable, aka, stall. After the deed, who had all the shit eating grins?

      • strayaway

        There may also have been some resolutions gathering dust in Boehner’s office but from a Sept. 29 Guardian article titled “US Government shutdown: House voted to Delay Obamacare law.

        “The resolution (to the budget bill) passed by the Republican-controlled House of Representatives in the early hours of Sunday morning makes funding the government until the middle of December contingent upon a one-year delay of the Affordable Care Act. It also strips the new healthcare law, which is due to come into force on Tuesday, of a key tax on medical devices.”

        So much for gathering dust.

        Had Obama just made his postponements when the Republicans wanted him to, the government wouldn’t have shut down. Maybe he didn’t want to be seen as weak, as a compromiser. Whatever.

      • Pipercat

        Guess you have a hard time with the budget process. Why don’t you wikipedia that instead of positing this nonsense.

      • strayaway

        In your last post, you were painting this picture of resolutions laying around gathering dust like I was making this up or something. Presented with the Guardian article dispelling your portrayal, you seem to be trying to change the focus.

        point strayaway

      • Pipercat

        Project much? You always focus on creating an answer first then manufacture the question afterwards. So here’s a little history lesson: The House and The Senate (by way of the deal between Biden and McConnell) created budget resolutions, the Executive produced a budget request; all of which were ready for conference by April of last year. There are two acts of Congress that require both branches to do this very thing called, -wait for it- creating a budget for next fiscal year. There was never a conference because the House leadership kept adding conditions before they’d attend the conference. This was a stalling tactic. What the House proposed just before the deadline was another bullshit can kicking proposal which they knew the Democrats would never go for. That plus a few other legislative tidbits set the stage for the shutdown. You see old fallacious one, the Executive plays a minor role after he submits his request. The shutdown happened on Capitol hill and not at the White House. All these manufactured scenarios are just insults to the intelligence of any reasonable person.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        read my above reply to Mr wonderful strawaway

      • Pipercat

        Which one? Bwahahahha!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        my lancing his BOILed head with that score

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        so- score now reads pipercat 45; strawaway 11
        halftime festivities beginning after this timeout for Christian mingle “find GODS (???) match for you”

      • Pipercat

        11? I’m pitching a shutout here pal!!!

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        im being tactful,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, a shutout would be what HE thought you( and I ) would say
        if U think about it: 45 to 11 IS a shutout! baseball; football; basketball- each having THAT score would be a total slaughter
        besides: we both assume he can count!

      • strayaway

        Well Pipercat, the only one I was making a point about was that which wound up in the second House budget bill. Have your argument with the Guardian and enjoy your smoke and mirrors.

      • Pipercat

        You’re much more fun! I love to point out absurdity and you make it so easy!!

      • dumazz

        Really?, are you that delusional?. They tried 40+ times to repeal the ACA, each time they failed. Then they shut down the government, then they said Obama wouldnt comprise when they tried to re-fund the govt. one piece at a time. And I am so sure that when the ACA piece got around they would have re-funded that too right?. Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to fall for that?. Do they really think that most (non tea party) Americans didnt see what they were doing?. Same goal, different tactic. A desperate tactic that cost the American economy billions, not to mention the 30+ million wasted on “symbolic” repeal votes. So much for the party of fiscal responsibility. Though I do find it rather amusing that you fell for it.

      • strayaway

        “They tried 40+ times to repeal the ACA”

        Wrong. They tried to eliminate, defund, or scale back the unpopular law. Notice that there are three categories as opposed to your one category. No matter, President Obama has used his magical unconstitutional banana republic magic wand to scale back the (un)ACA and postpone some of its provisions one year and more recently two years until after the 2014 elections. He has a phone and a pen to rule. He doesn’t even need an enabling act for the duration of the emergency.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        so- please extrapolate with us as to exactly HOW MUCH MONEY DID THE TEA PARTY house crybabies ( see: financially prudent) waste in those wonderful — but easy2see losing- propositions?
        try to stay on topic with that answer–here is a hint: it will be a numerical dollar figure

      • Stephen Barlow

        I like the first draft of you story better. has more improbability in it and makes the mystery part even more incredible.

      • Stephen Barlow

        So he should only break imaginary laws if it’s for a RED Menace issue?

        He has a Constitutional MANDATE to administer the laws passed in Congress. Not that the house of Boehner actually passes legislation…

      • strayaway

        Administering laws is different than changing wording in laws. Administering laws is determining which building to rent to house bureaucrats or ordering computers and paperclips. Postponing the date of implementation first one year then two years requires an act of Congress. By logical extension, a Republican president could someday just postpone or stop funding the (un)ACA for eight years. You would be ok with that too, right? After all, he would just be following a “Constitutional MANDATE to administer the laws passed in Congress”. Also, selectively deciding which parts of a law to enforce is not a president’s prerogative. What we are talking about here is a president acting like Congress passed an enabling act.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I do not laugh at close minded scum,,,I treat them as they deserve-
        scum

      • Stephen Barlow

        Uhm.. I hate to break the news, but if Obama could manipulate the RED Horde… Wouldn’;t he have manipulated then to PASS:

        Full tax revenue funding of the government
        3 jobs bills
        2 extra Stimulus packages
        1 huge Trillion Dollar Infrastructure Bill
        Immigration Reform
        Wall Street Reform
        Gun Control
        2% Student Loans
        11 Million Mortgage resets
        The Investment Transaction TAX
        Confirm 90 Federal judges
        35 Agency Appointees
        Fund the STF modernization
        Equal Pay Act
        End DOMA completely
        Legalize Marijuana
        Tax the Rich
        Expand Medicaid universally
        Fund ALL abortions
        Mandate Sex education in schools
        Distribution of Birth Control in schools and churches

        and of course, obama’s #1` objective:
        Make Islam the National Religion….

        nAW!!! instead he uses those massive psychic powers of mind control and zombification to:

        Shut down the government and muck up the 11 straight quarters of job growth and 40 months of positive GDP growth he fought for 4+ years to earn?

      • Dusty2

        Wow someone is drinking the magic tea! I am glad that Obama finally had enough of trying to compromise with these people. What about the 40 some votes to repeal or gut the ACA? I sure don’t see ant compromise there! What about insisting to hold the entire nation for ransom to try and force the demise of the act that they had already tried unsuccessfully 40+ times to destroy. to try to blame Obama for their failure to compromise is just pure insanity!

      • strayaway

        Q.”What about the 40 some votes to repeal or gut the ACA?”
        A. Good idea but they fell short.

        Re ransom: No law lasts forever but if they did. sequestration law should be held in the same esteem by Democrats as the (un)ACA. Republicans should keep trying to kill the societally (un)affordable Care Act. But what this discussion is about is who is more responsible for the partial government shutdown rather than Republicans lack of love for the (un)ACA. After first trying unsuccessfully to cut (un)ACA spending out of the budget, House Republicans did compromise and passed a budget which only tried to postpone implementation of (un)ACA for one year. Senate Democrats wouldn’t even consider that . Time ran out at that point and there was a partial shutdown. Obama since postponed those mandates on his own (?) for one year and then for two years but democrats were ok with that. If they were ok with that then why didn’t they just agree to the same thing when Republican proposed it instead of killing the second House budget bill and allowing the shutdown? It makes no sense to me except for political purposes.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey wadd of shit————– TRY to answer this: which branch of OUR GOVT has SOLE POWER to shutdown the government? ( multiple choice answers provided) (A) president,,,,(B) supreme court (C) senate …(D) house of representatives (E) a conglomeration of states votes
        =============================================
        NOTE: we both know the answer; yet crybaby white trash scumbags who obfuscate will never never tell the truth–
        please enjoy our ongoing show titled ” the destruction of the GOP” starring the tea party infantile caucas

      • 2Smart2bGOP

        The one thing that most liberals who are angry with President Obama about is his seeming inability to recognize people that have no intention of playing nice. He extended the olive branch to the right so many times, only to have it smacked away. When he did have a brief, “sort-of” majority, he tried to show the Republicans that he was willing to work in good faith with them. I support our President, but I wish he had realized earlier that trying to work with people who were SWORN to see him fail was a fools errand.

      • fairness_rules

        This is how lies become the “truth” to those that change facts around to justify their message.

      • Stephen Barlow

        You take that internet course from Ted Cruz on “Shutdown Responsibility Denial?”

      • strayaway

        No, I took the course in reality.

      • AlCum

        You are completely incorrect in your attempt to rewrite recent history. The government shutdown was completely the fault of the Republican Party. This is not even remotely subject to dispute. Your narrative is like blaming the police for killing the hostage because they wouldn’t let the robber walk away with the loot. Funding the government is the job of Congress and is not subject to demands that other laws be rewritten.

      • strayaway

        If you repeat the talking points you have heard over and over, that won’t necessarily change the facts. I mentioned a Guardian article up the thread that makes it clear that the Republican House passed a budget bill which asked for little more than delaying parts of the (un)ACA for one year. Democrats wouldn’t compromise and the government shut down. That was before the President decided to do the same thing by executive order. So if Democrats were ok with the delays when the President legislated them, why did they allow the government to shut down when they could have just passed the second House budget bill? I didn’t rewrite history. I am just bringing up what was published in the Guardian and other news outlets that obviously doesn’t fit into your talking point belief system.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        2 more points for anemic accuracy for strayaway—
        there was no compromise; so the house shutdown the govt
        please congratulate strayaway immediately on his historical perfection

      • AlCum

        You are once again completely incorrect. This is not in dispute. RWNJs like Cruz forced the shutdown. There is not even a glimmer of equivocation in this. he bragged abot it, other RWNJs bragged about it, and only when it became clear that Americans hated them for it did they try to rewrite history. It failed of course, like your shutdown failed. You’re the one making up phony talking points, chum. It ain’t flying here. Sorry.

      • strayaway

        Cruz had one vote out of 100 Senators and he filibustered one night when the Senate would normally be closed. That hardly constitutes shutting down the government. If Republicans had vowed not to compromise and insisted on ending the (un)ACA, then I would agree with your. However, Republicans compromised and tried again. This time only asking for a face saving one year postponement of a couple of (un)ACA mandates but it was the Democrats, not Republicans, who refused to compromise. Then time ran out. Any objective person can recognize which side refused to compromise and the relationship of refusing to compromise to causing a shutdown. But the absurd irony that I savor is how Democrats who would not compromise with Republicans thus allowing the government to partially shut down didn’t utter a peep when the President postponed those same measures for two years.

        I failed to mention that Republicans also tried to stop the 2.3% tax on medical devices that will be passed on to patients. You do support that tax on patients don’t you?

      • AlCum

        You appear to know very little to nothing about how this happened. It wasn’t democrats who refused to compromise on anything. There was no “compromise” on the table. It was Cruz and RWNJ hostage-taking pure and simple. I suppose you “think” that if a kidnapper grans your child and demands a million dollars, and you “compromised” and paid him, you would be happy. You are a very good example of the low-information voter who has ruined America with your freeloading tax-cutting, deficit-expanding GOP policies.

        Your comment about the medical devices tax is a case in point. Once more, Republicans attempted to balloon the deficit by eliminating one of the ways that programs are paid for. It’s not enough you ruined America since Reagan, you have to keep trying to get your free stuff and freeload.

      • strayaway

        I’m imagining that two parties with different interests work something out somewhere in between their respective positions. You, on the other hand arrogantly compare Republicans with criminal hostage takers. Of course there can’t be any compromise with that sort of an attitude.

        I support the Simpson Bowles plan which would have raised some taxes as well as cut some spending. President Obama promised to follow the Simpson Bowles plan but broke that promise too. So don’t tell me I don’t support an increase in taxes. You are living in your imaginary world. First, democrats shouldn’t compromise with Republicans because they are like “hostage takers” and then you incorrectly imaging what i support.

        So you do support the tax on medical taxes. That means you must not support President Obama’s promise not to raise taxes on anyone who earns less than $250,000 because that tax will get passed on. It also attacks the jobs of people making medical equipment. It’s like taxing people for being sick.

        I’ve got an idea. Let’s develop a new tax, that’s what the Supreme Court said the (un)ACA was, that will kick five million Americans off of their health care plans and make them pay more for medical equipment. Never mind, that’s already been done. What’s next? Maybe putting government minders in press rooms.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        do U think crazy items known as FACTS will get in the way of a regressive crybaby such as “strayaway”??
        OHMYGOD ,,,,,,,,,,,NEVER!!!

  • strayaway

    The really nice thing about attacking the tea party is that it can be defined any way one wishes. So if a scapegoat is needed and blaming Bush for all of Obama or Boehner’s shortcomings and failures is getting old, blame the tea party.

    Looking around, I don’t see any significant tea party rallies. Those ended in about 2010, about four years ago. The tea party was taken over by big money that wanted to harness it and use it. So the amorphous rank and file tea party members disappeared. There are some tea party offices paid for by various monied interests but they don’t even work together, sometimes are involved in turf wars, and serve whomever pays for them.

    That leaves using the term “tea party” as being defined pretty much by its user sort of like “bad people”. So, for instance, any Republican in Congress who challenges the status quo can be defined as a tea partier for opposing the corporatist status quo. Since the Democratic Party has purged its most anti status quo leaders and the Republican Party is pretty much status quo, that leaves a few status quo mostly Republican dissidents who can be dismissed as tea partiers sort of like the lurking followers of Emmanuel Goldstein who were blamed for the State’s shortcomings in 1984. The concept of the tea party then becomes a good thing because the shortcomings and betrayals of the status quo, Democrat or Republican, don’t have to be questioned because they are are always the fault of the nebulous tea party scapegoat.

    • Gary Smith

      The tea party wasn’t co-opted “by big money that wanted to harness and use it”, it was created “by big money that wanted to harness and use it”.

      • strayaway

        Wrong. Back in 2010, tea party rallies opposed Republican politicians who supported Bush’s Wall street bailout.

      • M_R

        The Koch brothers and friends were ready to sell short, so of course they opposed the bank bail outs, They would have made a fortune cleaning up the mess.

      • strayaway

        Say “Koch Brothers”, “tea party”, or “Fox News” and all the conditioned sheeple go into a frenzy. The truth is that the Koch brothers were the 59th largest political contributors between 1984 and 2014 with a combined contribution of $18m or an average of $900,000/year. This information just came out through Open secrets a couple of days ago. That’s a lot of money but not much compared with money lobbyists spend in Washington and less then 58 other contributors some of them supporting Democrats. The Koch brothers did fund one of the tea party takeover groups which so successfully did in the tea party. I don’t remember the Koch Brother ever supporting someone like Ron Paul though. I guess their money goes to politicians who will support Koch Industries.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      perhaps watching some early /late evening FOX “news” shows might elucidate you: they claim TEA PARTY is on rise again
      ……….. and we all know FOX “news” is Americas most watched cable network

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      and where O where O where was the TEA PARTY before Obama was elected?
      answer— see : nowhere

  • Sandy Greer

    The irony is the GOP was known as the Party of No LONG before the Obama presidency. But since 2008, they’ve taken Obstructionism to a whole new level.

    TeaPugs are a Pandora’s Box, unleashed. Now they’re feeding on their ‘own’; few are right ENOUGH for The Right.

    ^^^Rest of the country gets to sit back and watch.

  • Secular_Humanist

    What is called “tea party” now is the direct result of the relentless propaganda lies from rightwing news outlets, FOX and talk radio. Those boradcasts are on a 6th grade level of comprehension, for the one’s who don’t question but blindly follow, who are easily whipped into a frenzy. Code is used for black, the latest is “imperial” president, which means nothing but black.
    Republicans have another problem, they have created a lot of hate between the parties. A hating population is unable to work together. Employers have to forbid talk about religion and politics at the workplace…

  • Edward Krebbs

    Dr Frankenstein (aka Boehner) – YOU were central in creating the monster. YOU grandstanded on making Obama a one term / then a lame duck. Too late to make any claims of innocence.

  • 2Smart2bGOP

    Dr Frankenstein; meet Monster.

    • moe/larry & curly keys

      that’s ‘frank en STEEN”

  • charleo1

    So how long did it take Boehner to figure out the T-Party are the nightmare they’ve been asking for, since deciding to play politics in the middle of a
    financial catastrophe? After getting their just comeuppance, for the failures
    of the Bush Administration, they had a decision to make. They threw us out.
    But, most of here helped get us into this mess, and we’re going to pitch in,
    and do all we can in support of the new President, and help get the Country
    back on track. Or, since we now hold no majorities in Congress, and it’s a
    Democratic President, we’re absolutely free of any responsibilities. We’ll
    just sit back, and complain how bad things are, how far in debt we are. And
    every solitary thing they propose, we’ll come up with 10 reasons why it’s
    the wrong thing to do, that we’ll never support it, and whatever it is, we
    can’t afford it. Then after 4 years of dragging Americans thru the worst
    economy many of them have ever experienced in their lives. Why, they’ll
    happily vote us right back in. And we’ll proceed on as before.

  • Michael Siever

    This reminds me of The Dark Knight, where the mob (the GOP) is so desperate to take down Batman (the Democrats) that they’re willing to form an alliance with the Joker (the Tea Party). Only now, do they realize that they bit off more than they could chew with this chaotic nightmare…

  • fairness_rules

    It still amazes me that supposedly intelligent people couldn’t see through the tea baggers agenda long ago.

  • Robin Berss Ross

    When you make a deal with the devil eventually you gotta pay. These `normal Republicans` knew the tea party wasn`t just crazy, they were bat shit crazy but they unleashed them anyway.

  • Stephen Barlow

    We need a “Clean Bill Bill” that forces all Bills to be voted on as stand alone issues. A line item veto would go along great with this. Then the President can use whatever is useful for the growth of America from any Republican Bill passed and sh*tcan the rest. This would force the Congress to renegotiate a useable Bill on the rejected parts. It would also prevent the tack on obstructionism so automatic to the RED Army these days.

    • strayaway

      Line item veto. You champion the end of legislative rule and the balance of powers.

  • Dave Garry

    Lots of regular folks in the GOP have been complaining about RINOs like Boehner for years. All the leadership and the candidates they push are RINOs. Neocons and RINOs are one in the same. They’re not true conservatives and they don’t give a damn about the constitution although they may pay lip service to it during election years. They may even pretend to be Christians, and pay lip service to issues the Christian so-cons care about but that’s just an act too. Of course, they refer to themselves as “moderates”. Whenever you hear of someone referred to by the party leadership as a “moderate” and therefore “electable”, and that’s why they’re getting pushed what that means is they are controlled sell-outs and part of the Masonic “brotherhood” and globalist machine working towards a New World Order.. They also pretend to hate Obama, but in reality, are on the same side as he is.

    There are lots of people who consider themselves part of the tea party movement (which is not monolithic) that, although they are still asleep on a lot of topics and I don’t see eye to eye with them on many issues, they are at least, regular ordinary people. The GOP leadership would rather see a democrat get in ANY office than a TP type who’s at least genuine in their convictions.

    When the leadership of both parties hate you, you know you’re doing something right.

    Notice that there is virtually no one in the democratic party who is at odds with what the leadership does, or who they push. No organized faction of any sort anyway. Most of them just go along with the program.

  • Arch Chaney

    OK, Boehner is distancing himself and the esablishment GOP from the Tea Party now, but after the fall elections, he’ll be right back in their corner, especially if the GOP holds the House and wins the Senate. Look out America, you ain’t seen nuthin yet.

    • Common Sense

      Scary thought…

  • Well John….you finally waking up? The baggers never wanted to defeat the Democrats, they want to defeat the GOP. Make sense yet? They are paid for with corporate money, like the Koch Brothers and other creepy people like them. They do not hate Obama, he is far to smart for them; they hate you!