John Boehner Won’t Allow House to Vote on Bipartisan Immigration Reform Passed by Senate

boehnerAnd the “do nothing” Congress strikes again!  Specifically the House of Representatives.  Invoking an unofficial rule referred to as the “Hastert Rule,” House Speaker John Boehner reiterated that the House will not vote on the bipartisan immigration bill passed by the Senate 68-32.

Claiming that the House will craft their own immigration bill, because as Boehner said, “It is time for Congress to act.  But I believe the House has its job to do, and we will do our job.”

Wouldn’t allowing a vote on a bipartisan bill which was passed by the Senate, and would be signed by the President, constitute “doing their job?”

But what’s this “Hastert Rule” you ask?  Well let me explain.  There are 435 members of the House of Representatives, 234 Republicans and 201 Democrats.  What this “rule” does is requires a majority of the majority to support a bill before a vote is allowed on the legislation.  See, as it stands now if every Democrat voted for this immigration bill, and even 40 Republicans sided with them, the bill would be passed and sent to President Obama for him to sign.

But under this “Hastert Rule” the minority in the House doesn’t matter one bit.  All 201 Democrats could support this bill, but unless the majority of the 234 House Republicans do (118 to be exact) the bill will never come to a vote.

This is essentially the cowards way to keep a bill from coming up for a vote in the House.  Boehner is scared there would be enough support in the House as a whole to pass the bill, so he would rather stall everything and expect us to believe he’s “doing his job.”  If anybody wonders why nothing gets done and Congress has approval ratings that rival those of the common bed bug, now you know.

And the kicker — this rule is completely made up by Republican Speakers of the House.  There’s nothing in our decorum of Congress or the Constitution which enforces this rule.

It’s simply a way to obstruct legislation and keep anything from getting done.  Which is exactly what House Republicans have done since they took power January 3, 2011.

While Republicans have tried to say it’s President Obama and Democrats that continue to obstruct progress, it’s moves like this which clearly show it’s Republicans who are the problem.

From their record number of filibusters in the Senate to their use of this “rule” to keep legislation from even being voted on in the House, Republicans prove time and time again that their only plan in Congress is obstructing anything they can.

And what’s around the corner?  Republicans plan to take the debt ceiling hostage again.  You know the debt ceiling, right?  The procedure that has nothing to do with new spending, and is simply a procedure which allows the United States to pay bills on money we’ve already approved and spent.  

But with immigration reform Republicans have shown their hand.  A bill that had bipartisan support in the Senate, which was then passed, and has President Obama’s support — is only being held up by House Republicans.

My prediction?  This backfires.  Americans are simply tired of the obstruction in Congress and clearly blame it on Republicans more than Democrats.  And it’s really hard to blame anyone but Republicans in the House when a bill is passed by the Senate (with Republican support), supported by the President but the House simply refuses to take it up for a vote for fear that it might actually pass and become law.

It’s behavior like this which should show all Americans why 2014 is such an important election.  This obstruction cannot continue and if we are apathetic in 2014, we’ll be stuck with this “do nothing” Congress for another 2 years.

We can’t let that happen.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • John

    I believe with all my heart that people will not forget this obstructionism by the Republicans come 2014 and vote their lazy butts out of office by the droves. Not to mention their insistence to govern women’s right to choose.

    • Christi Hulett Torres

      You are so right, Sir. I won’t forget and when I vote there will be no Republicans of any kind. Just like the last time I voted.

      • John

        Christi, I’m so glad. The Democratic ticket will triumph in 2014. I have spoken to even die-hard Republicans that are fed up with their crap and plan to vote Democratic in 2014.

      • Karl Mar

        Reality check. Hurts being so wrong and so stupid?

      • John

        You may have won this election but you haven’t won the WAR! The Blue Wave will drown you all.

    • Baaly

      John, I so hope you’re right.

    • Dissenter13a

      If they would lose their obsession with the fetus, the Republican Party could obliterate the Dems.

      • John

        I don’t believe that was a talking point (obsession with the fetus) in the 2012 election and the Democratic party did just great….Second term for President Obama. This time around its more than just their obsession with the fetus…its their obstructionism on every bill, their laziness to not put forth a jobs bill, their views and assistance of taking rights of the American people (women, gays, minorities, etc) away. They just don’t want America to succeed, plain and simple. They will NEVER hold the Presidency again and their views are seriously disconnected with the rest of the MAJORITY of the American People.

  • eaglescoutrob

    The only good government is the “do-nothing” kind. That way we can keep more liberty and money.

    • tired of the crap

      spoken like a white male. women aren’t keeping their liberties and only the super rich are keeping their money. You are just swallowing their crap.

      • eaglescoutrob

        Orange meet apple. Male and female has nothing to do with the article. I think you’ve swallowed more crap that most IMHO.

        The article was about the train-wreck of “immigration reform.” This legislation is not needed and hopefully the house will drop it. What we don’t need is more legislation, especially since we do not use the laws already on the book.

        I hope the super rich keep their money. I hope the super poor keep their money. I hope everyone keeps their money. Government takes from those that work and gives to many that do not.

        One thing is for sure, if the Republicans keep acting like Democrat light they will loose big. Start acting like Conservatives instead of a political party and things will start to change for the better.

      • Sam Knudson

        Just a couple little factoids a Conservative economy does not work period. Its horrible for any economy. The numbers have spoken time and time again yet people still follow it. Your Myth of Government taking the money and wrecking the economy is just that a Myth. First off the food stamps and unemployment money that you are so against have such a small SMALL effect on the economy yet all the tax dodging by 1% and big companies is the biggest drain on the economy we have. We have to support Big Business’s terrible practices (big bank bailouts/ to big to fall/ wallmart) and extorting the middle class. We hold them up not the other way around.

      • Kenny

        Glad you said it. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading..

      • eaglescoutrob

        Who said anything about food stamps? This is a problem but more of a symptom of the big picture. When you expect less of someone they will eventually just take the easier route. Why work when you can get government assistance from the producers?

        The fact is that Conservative ideals have not been tried for some time. You are confusing Republican and Conservative. Conservative ideals give a hand up and not a hand out. They want all to succeed instead of permanently enslaving people in a class system (there’s that welfare idea again…) It is about getting the Government out of our lives and let us run our lives ourselves. Republican is a party and they want to win the next election (just like the Democrats). They want to get along instead of actually fixing the problem.

        As far as big business, most of those businesses started as small enterprises. And the bank issue – see Dodd/Frank about that debacle.

      • prytani

        What are you talking about!!! it is silly ass commentary like this, who listens to this, who believes this, do you know anyone that is struggling right now…really, hand outs…WTF..people generally would love to have food and to be able to feed their children and pay their rent…you and the people like you are disgusting..it really is all-about-the-money..OMg…who cares about the money, human beings are starving and stressing out everyday wondering what’s next…sometimes you are blindsided by life…really… and MOST big business started small … which ones are those MOST??The people that I know that have lost their jobs had no warning … their place of business closed, or just downsizing in general…*no warning*…ahhwww let’s see they were not the ones taking the easier route..you and the people like you disgusting in your broad analysis..I hope that your life goes just as you planned, no room for CANCER, OR LOSING YOUR JOB, OR A FAMILY EMERGENCY…THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING…YIKES…

      • Dale Mulkey

        go to a page, maybe fox, that your poor excuse for intelligence will fit in better. you have no clue about reality, facts or intelligence

      • Care to explain how Dodd/Frank, a bill passed after the bad loans were made caused the bad loans, And it was not the CRA either as the “liar” loans were made by banks not subject to the law.

      • Dale Mulkey

        the only train wreck is the republican party. a party of traitors that should be put on trial for treason and executed on national tv

    • John

      You must be one of the top 1% making statements like that. Where have you been hiding these last couple years. The Republicans are continually attacking Women’s, Gays, Hispanics and other minority groups. They have just as much liberties as you do “Justice and Liberty FOR ALL”.

      • eaglescoutrob

        I only wish I were, but it wouldn’t really matter. It sounds to me like you are living in a fantasy world. Just guessing you get your news from MSNBC or related biased sources. The worst friend of all minority groups are the liberals. No one wants to keep minority groups down more than the left. Where have you been the last couple of years?

      • John

        I guess myself and about 68 million, and growing, other Americans want to see the GOP out of office for all their obstructionism and blatant lies to the American People. I know a lot of Republican voters who are also fed up with the House Republicans and they will not be voting for them this next time around….so I guess that leaves you and the other teabaggers on your own.

      • eaglescoutrob

        Ahhh, snarky comments rears it head. I expected that eventually but you delivered quicker than I expected. I am guessing that when you refer to “Teabaggers” you are talking about Tea Party and not the sexual act? I don’t think I asked about your sexual preferences.

        The truth is that a chunk of the voters, who generally vote for GOP candidates, are fed up with them acting like Democrats. Romney would have been elected if millions of voters decided not to stay home. Of course, that would have continued the age of weeny Republicans, but that is another discussion.

        Frankly I’d like to see more obstructionism. Like voting in Chicago – early and often. If the Republicans don’t start acting more like Conservatives and less like Moderates, they will lose big. Not because of you and your liberal friends, but because of those fed up Republican voters.

      • Sam Knudson

        Romney did not even have the most basic understanding of economics dude…. We would be a 3rd world country by this time if Romney was elected and I am only slightly exaggerating it. The people who voted for the GOP candidates actually are those who were brainwashed by the horrendous propaganda machine that spewed lie after lie after lie. If you repeat something enough times people will start to believe it. I really do not understand Republican Voters. I sware their memory doesn’t last more than a week do they not even remember the bush years that sent the economy into spiral? Do they not see the recovering Economy? Im sure at the same time you support all the voter suppression bills going on in the red states too. How can anyone see it as anything other than voter suppression. I just dont get you guys.

      • eaglescoutrob

        I would go with his economic ideas before what we have now. It is obvious the current white house has no grasp of what is really going on in this country. Real unemployment is sky high. Recovery is only a figment of an imagination perpetuated by the willing press.

        As far as voter suppression where is this going on? Do you mean having to show an ID to vote? If that is what you are referring to, I’ll never understand the opposition. There has been massive voter fraud and it has not been curbed. Seems like a logical solution to me.

      • Dale Mulkey

        typical republican. try some origionality for a change troll boy

      • Sam Knudson

        Romney laid out the basic ideas for his plan and EVERY SINGLE non-partisan economic group said that what he wanted to accomplish was completely impossible the way he said he was going to do it. No amount of moving numbers would allow Romneys plan to work. What is your idea of what is really going on? As far as the numbers say unemployment and the economy are getting better by the day of unemployment is high we had a republican in office for 8 years for Gods sake. but its going down and thats what matters. The problem is that to much money is going to places that it will never be spent from (the 1% and corporations) While the middle class is living paycheck to paycheck because of these Corporations that keep the middle class in the dirt for mix profits. If the middle class thrives the economy thrives that is how to make an economy work if any republican took a single economics class they would know this. Sadly they see higher learning as Liberal Indoctrination.

        Voter ID laws yes do you know how many counts of walk in Voter fraud there have been? Almost none in the case of walk in. Every single study has shown that this kind of fraud (the kind voter suppression laws would stop) is pretty much non-existent. The voter fraud comes from absentee ballets that’s where 100% of it comes from and it happens on both sides. The real reason they put these laws into place is because 25% of blacks and poor people do not have any form of photo ID. And guess what the majority of these people vote democrat. Hence why strangely enough only red states are putting in these laws. Please do more researcher into things. Your vote counts. Look at numbers you see with your own eyes not the ones Rush tells you or all the other talking heads.

      • John

        Sam, Although I and many many more Americans totally agree with your points, Its no use trying to sway “eaglescoutrob’s” twisted views on the economy or how the government is suppose to work….he’s seriously disconnected from the rest of American people and probably lives under a rock somewhere in the forest of never-never land.

      • thecashman

        Facts never phase a conservative Republican who is the problem, not the solution.. Where are you getting your so called information? The only voter fraud caught has been against Republicans.. No such thing as massive voter fraud, that has been proven over and over as a Conservative LIE! If you are stupid enough to believe the nonsense you are posting, it’s no wonder the GOP is losing election after election and they are primed up to lose again in 2014 and 2016 with their delusional politics…

      • Dale Mulkey

        you poor baby, you really should grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child

      • Dale Mulkey

        the only fantacy world is yours 24/7 fox news. try living in reality and the real world. your to ignorant of truth and facts i only hope that your world falls apart and you get a taste of that reality you know nothing about

      • Gomez

        “No one wants to keep minority groups down more than the left”.

        TO KEEP DOWN??? What the F**K is that crap???

    • TropicDave173

      Fine. YOU apparently don’t want to pay to get the roads fixed, the bridges repaired, the armed forces to maintain order, the police forces to uphold the law, the emergency response teams to come to your rescue when the ‘stuff’ hits the fan, and so on. Don’t drive on the roads, interstates, give up your licenses, park your vehicles, just be sure to not use anything that might possibly be construed as being ‘from’ or ‘of’ the government. We certainly wouldn’t want you to be a hypocrite and get anything from the government you didn’t support or pay for.
      Or realize that paying taxes and fees and licenses is a part of paying for an organization that handles all the things that realistically, not one of us could do for ourselves in this day and age. It’s not perfect, and yes, it needs change and improvement, but I challenge any person claiming to be a “freedom-loving patriot” – as if the rest of us were not – to do ALL the functions of government for themselves. If that’s not possible, please kindly keep your opinions to yourselves…

      • eaglescoutrob

        Actually I was referring to the Washington DC government. The less Congress does the better off we all are. Most of the things you mentioned are funded by states and local municipalities – not the Federal Government. How much better would life be if we let states decided issues based on what the electorate decides.

        Stop getting so worked up. Relax and take a breath.

      • Dale Mulkey

        your just to flipping stupid. im guessing your either a kid or stuck in your mommies basement because your afraid of the real world

      • Charles Vincent

        * you’re

      • John

        Your such an idiot….States get their money for the large transportation projects from the US government. You are seriously “dumb” in all aspects of the word.

      • eaglescoutrob

        So is this now an insult contest? It is true that the Fed doles out money for large transportation projects, armed forces and other items but most expenditures like highway maintenance, police protection and the like are tasked by the States or the local government. Frankly, this is how it should be for most everything except federal projects (like interstates.) That whole states rights thing and all.

        The problem is that the federal government is involved in all aspects of our lives. Congress spends money with little or no accountability. Like they are spending someone else’s money (wait a minute…) Do we need the endless regulation and reregulation? Do we even need full time politicians with pensions for life?

        I had an discussion with a representative from the SSA one day. A good discussion until I made a comment that I was not counting on the money I had put into the system. He asked why and I indicated that it was because the system is basically bankrupt and could not sustain itself too far into the future. I suggested that I would like to take my contributions out of the system and put it in something that actually grew in value. His response…I guess you want to throw old people out on the street? Reminds me of this conversation.

      • John

        Your a useless cause….again you have no idea what you are talking about.

        Congress is voted into office by “We the People”, so yes there is accountability for their actions, they get ousted the next election, if they don’t do their job and listen to their constituents…duhhh.

        This is what will happen to the Republicans, they are not doing their job- what they were sent there to do and they are obstructing progress….therefore, they have to pay the consequences for that. They will ALL be Booted out!!!

      • eaglescoutrob

        So much anger.

        I don’t think you are getting where I am going here. How bloated has our federal spending become? It was huge under Bush and has increased by leaps and bounds over the last 4+ years. Is there an end in sight?

        Who are the politicians accountable to? It is obvious we have created a culture where the politician who can bring home the most to their district will get reelected. Are the voters stupid…possibly. We have this entitlement society that everyone has just become accustomed to. No one is brave enough to really reform the system – on either side.

        Whatever party is in power the other side is looked as an obstructionist. I’d rather a Congress person stand up for their beliefs and principles (regardless of what “party” they represent) than go along to get along. Progress is subjective to your values.

      • Charles Vincent

        * you’re not your

      • Charles Vincent

        * you’re

  • weshallovercomb

    No I do NOT want her for my president. She can’t even tell me what “really” happened in Benghazi. But the Republicans don’t have a decent candidate they are grooming so yep, probably be hers if she wants it. She can’t possible do any more harm than Obama. He makes me throw up.

    • TropicDave173

      So? Bush couldn’t tell us about what happened in Nairobi, Beirut, or any of the other 11 embassy attacks that happened on HIS watch. But I guess that since the Shrub was in charge then, it’s ALL ok, RIGHT? He got us into two wars, couldn’t verify weapons of mass destruction, and proclaimed “Mission Accomplished” while the single most wanted man on the planet still directed Al Qaeda. Your comment smacks of right-wing Fox News sound bites…and I seem to recall that it was the REPUBLICAN-controlled House that CUT the embassy security budgets. Got any real complaints or just more vitriol and hatred? At least if you don’t like the person, have respect for the office.

      • weshallovercomb

        First of all, BUSH was BACKED by the CONGRESS to go into IRAQ. Got it?? Secondly, IF I were a Fox News Nut like you insinuate, I would NOT have posted the NEGATIVE comments I said about the Republican Party (not having a decent candidate) (Duh)……Third, just because someone does not like YOUR political viewpoints does NOT automatically make them a Fox News Devotee. And Fourth, I have always respected the presidency. I do not respect this Mr. Obama person. He NEVER speaks to us, and when he does he LECTURES us, he does not LEAD us. GHEEESUS you’re a moron.

      • Dale Mulkey

        no the moron is you i wish it was still the 1800’s we could deal with traitors like you the right way and it would be a party for people when it happened

      • weshallovercomb

        And you have a nice day, too ; )

      • Dale Mulkey

        you are nothing but republican scum

      • John

        First, You are correct, Bush was backed by Congress only after he and his war-monger cronies dished up false and malicious lies about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Second, The Republican party is full of nut bags and old white guys who live in the 1950’s, so there will never be a decent candidate in the party ever again. Third, Fox News is not a credible news cast since it makes up lies and does not check any of their facts before they air it. Fourth, You say that “Obama never speaks to us”…well then turn OFF Fox News and watch the other news channels, you’ll see him on there.

      • weshallovercomb

        WHAT, if ANYTHING, has this current president DONE for my country that I might be proud of???? I was not a fan of BUSH and I do not worship Fox News, however, if they were such a horrible cable channel WHY are they the highest RATED in the country? Think about it!!!! Obama has done nothing but serve himself, insert himself in a trial of which he had NO business talking about considering his position KNOWING he would just inflame the racial divide even more– TELL ME ONE THING THIS PRESIDENT HAS DONE, WHAT HAS OBAMA DONE to better this country? ONE THING

      • John

        First of all its not your country its “our” country.

        The one thing that Obama has done to SAVE our country is get us out of this economic mess that Bush created. Yes, its not as fast of a recovery than is hoped for, however there was lots of shit to fix from the 8 years of Bush trickle-down economics.

        Another thing Obama has done is to have an exit plan and get us out of the Iraq War that Bush started under false pretenses (weapons of mass destruction). Was this a necessary war? HELL NO, if you ask the majority of Americans. Bush lost track of the real enemy of 9/11.

        Speaking of which, Obama captured and killed Osama Bin Ladin, the real enemy of the US.

        Another thing Obama has done has included all those uninsured Americans the ability to get descent healthcare with no pre-existing condition bull-shit that insurance companies can hold against many. This is a preventative measure to keep people from getting sick to begin with.

        I could go on and on, but I have to attend to my thriving business under the Obama economic plan.

        Have a good day, my fellow American.

      • weshallovercomb

        It is “my” country and will always be “my” country. And Obama did not get Bin Laden – brave Navy Seals went in and got him. WHY hasn’t this president spoken to us about Syria / Egypt / the looming crisis when Israel hits Iran / WHY has he pulled back OCARE a year?? Because he KNOWS it is a complete DISASTER? And WHY did this half black/half WHITE president insert himself into this ongoing trial – is he hoping for a race riot???? He is an absurd president, in WAY over his professorial head and he provides NO LEADERSHIP. I feel like a ship with nobody at the helm!!!!!!!!!!!

      • John

        You are WRONG…its “OUR” country. And you are way so wrong about everything else you state in your post above. Get off Fox News and get with the REAL news channels where they state the facts not spew their own propaganda and hate.

        Your post above reveals the truth why you are so against President Obama…..because he is African American. Your just like the rest of the bigoted Republicans.

      • Charles Vincent

        NY Times

        Syrian Rebels Tied to Al Qaeda Play Key Role in War

        By TIM ARANGO, ANNE BARNARD and HWAIDA SAAD
        Published: December 8, 2012

        Washington Post

        Syrian rebel group declares al-Qaeda tie as Kerry, diplomats discuss crisis
        By Max Ehrenfreund,April 10, 2013

        NY Times
        Taking Outsize Role in Syria, Qatar Funnels Arms to Rebels

        By MARK MAZZETTI, C. J. CHIVERS and ERIC SCHMITT
        Published: June 29, 2013

        Washington Post

        Shells smash into Aleppo prison; rebels, regime battle in, near ancient Syrian city

        By Associated Press, Published: July 7

      • weshallovercomb

        He only speaks when they can drag him off the golf course, boat,plane or offshore at some palace in another country. But, like the night of the Benghazi murders he was totally M I A and a gag order is in place for all those that know where he was. Go figure that out. Our country’s jobs were destroyed
        with Clinton signing the NAFTA bill and that was the beginning of 57,000 manufacturing companies either going offshore or just closing their doors, and the end is coming when OCARE starts.
        If America’s GDP becomes less than the fed gov
        ‘s spending and the 25% of Americans that have full time jobs (mostly State and Federal jobs) the taxation that they endure and also the temp employees working part time hours at 1970 wage rates cannot sustain the ultimate financial shortage of income from taxation to “we the people” then does America
        get sold to foreign country’s piece by piece by piece including our fed gov confiscated farms, homes, water rights, etc. for collateral to secure fed gov
        loans? What will be left to pay just the “Interest” on the loans?

        To quote someone who said: “what difference will it all make”…whether we the enslavened (and not we the people anymore) own homes or farms or businesses? Therefore the ultimate will happen, we all become owned by the
        government, work their fields, work for our daily meals but we will have to not worry anymore about J O B S, taxation, just get free rent at your local FEMA camp, be forced into Agenda 21 and there you are, FREE at last.

        God bless America and thank you Mr. Obama / for nothing.

      • Dale Mulkey

        gop home till you get a brain and are not so stupid you sound like fox news

      • weshallovercomb

        shaddup and take some ex lax frog turd

      • eaglescoutrob

        And you sound like an uneducated moron that just got a smart phone. Why is it always the same comments with people like you? I weep for this country.

      • John

        And we weep for you since your the uneducated and moron on this site.

      • eaglescoutrob

        That should be “you’re” and not “your”. The uneducated moron in me had to point that out.

      • Charles Vincent

        It’s you’re not your. You’re is a contraction of you and are your is a possessive.

    • bcborn

      Please do enlighten me @ weshallovercomb What harm has Obama done to the United States of America?

    • Dale Mulkey

      go throw up and while your at it choke on it your republican trash pile

    • Baaly

      Benghazi? Really?!

      Seriously, does anyone other than the brainwashed faux news lovers give a flying crud about Benghazi? Nope.

      • weshallovercomb

        Because you’re a democrat you have no brains and no compassion because if it were YOUR son who was killed over there you’d want answers fart brain

      • John

        The republicans demolished the funding for ALL foreign embassies and they were warned by the States Dept. that it would undermine their security. Under Bush’s watch there were more attacks on embassies and more people died than under Obama’s watch. Do some reading up on the facts mr.

      • Jason Tadd Jackson

        Its funny that you talk about compassion while the GOP are using these men deaths as political props.

      • Baaly

        How eloquent. Just what we’ve come to expect from the numb skull fauxites out there.

        Where are the answers for the 13, yes 13, embassies attacked under Bush’s rule? OR the 17,685 people who have died in the US due to gun violence SINCE Newtown? THOSE are more important than the 4 Americans PAID to be in Benghazi (if you read between the lines, which I guess you are too imbecilic to do, at least two of which were CIA operatives).

        I’m sorry, you fail with my son. Even at 14, he knows it’s really not safe to be working in a volatile area and the consequences which can occur. Comes to something when a child has more brain power that you, weshallovercomb.

      • weshallovercomb

        Oh so we’re back to BUSH again. BUSH had the backing of CONGRESS. BUSH ensured more funds went to wiping out the AIDS crisis in Africa and other countries, more than any OTHER president (Google it, moron). As for OBAMA — HOW MANY people has this man KILLED with his DRONE STRIKES???? HOW many of us has OBAMA approved of OPENLY SPYING on ALL of us??? Don’t talk to me about being below the level of your son because you, frankly, are the typical arrogant type who comes on here and begins swiping at ancient history when you cannot possibly confront the CURRENT president and all of his faults. And who is talking about gun violence? You are and for what? Sake of argument? Guns are the weapons of PEOPLE, guns don’t pull their own triggers. Just like drugs don’t overdose people – PEOPLE do it to themselves. I could go on and on but you are not worthy of my time. Have a nice effing day and maybe take time out from pointing fingers at the past and enjoy the present with your “son”. I hope he’s smarter than you are.

      • Baaly

        Hello and welcome to crazy town everyone. For your own safety, please make sure your tin foil hats are secured and you’re on the lookout for grays.

        Your incoherent ramblings are proof positive that you’re not all there.

        Are you saying that Bush had the backing of congress not to mention the 13 embassy attacks? Remember, we’re talking embassy attacks here so what weird and twisted train of thought you’re on, I certainly do not know.

        Drone strikes? Good. At least people aren’t in a position to be shot down in enemy skies. Let AI’s do it.

        The ‘openly spying’ is really an impact of your beloved patriot act….so your point is?

        Now lets cover what ‘ancient history’ is. Ancient history spans from the beginning of recorded human history to the Early Middle Ages. I don’t believe I covered the rise of Charlemange in my post, did I?

        Oh yippy, the ‘guns don’t kill people’ propaganda. I so love that inane argument.

        Are you done, or do you want me to continue pointing out how ridiculous and uneducated you are?

      • weshallovercomb

        I don’t know you or what you stand for, all I know is that you want to “top” me every chance you get on this forum. You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. In the meantime, continue to support this president who probably wishes there will be riots after the Zimmerman acquittal because he inserted his big fat mouth into the case where he should have kept his mouth shut. Meanwhile we can’t get this president to “talk” to this nation about ANYTHING unless forced to and then he lectures us, he does not inspire nor does he lead. So please go pick on someone else, I’m so tired of your boolsheet.

      • Baaly

        Yes, you’re right, I want to “top” you…not point out your illogical thinking so you might learn a thing of two. I am not picking on you, I am simply pointing out your flaws in thinking and coherence. If your skin is that thin then trolling a progressive forum really isn’t a good idea for you, no?

        Keep building those straw men though. I hear Dorothy is getting lonely.

  • weshallovercomb

    blah blah blah blah blah. Great we have a “president” who inserts his opinion in the ONE racially charged trial since OJ and Rodney King and thank you Mr. Obama if there are riots because HE put HIS RACE CARD on the table. Like we NEED This right now as a nation?? Um, Mr. President, news flash – YOU ARE HALF WHITE too , you idiot president. ……..Jesus H. Christ.

  • Dissenter13a

    Unfortunately, the Senate bill is wretched and, as the CBO admits, will have no material effect on future illegal immigration. I’d like to see actual enforcement of our existing laws and in particular, making those who hire illegal aliens do a perpwalk. Ten years in prison will send the message.

    If there are no jobs, the illegals will go home. Then, we can worry about what we should do about the “Dreamers.”

  • Tim Knecht

    I’d be more than happy to slice him from nuts to nipples with a very sharp Kabar.

  • TooSmartToVoteForAnyOfThem

    Sorry. Not getting my vote Democrats. Neither are the Republicans. I’m no longer voting. I have freely given up my right to vote. I no longer wish to partake in this bullshit system. This one article right here proves that what the people in this country want does not matter. I will no longer partake in a system, such as voting, when it does not reflect that actual wishes of those doing the voting. You can blame Republicans all you want but at the end of the day there is not one single protest being made by House Dems or Senate Dems. And I mean a REAL protest, not just 5 minutes of bitching on fake ass cable news.

  • Golden

    The problem is the Gerrymandering that Republican led states have put in place leads to keeping the majority! Our districts in Upstate NY, while we have a Democratic gov, we have a district that landed a safe democratic city into a larger district with Republican cities that are larger!

  • Richard Genco

    but Dirty Harry keeps 375 bills on his desk without letting a vote take place