The Liberal Hypocrisy When it Comes to Islam

Islamic Center of America in Deerborn, Michigan

Islamic Center of America in Deerborn, Michigan

I’ve noticed an interesting trend when it comes to liberals and religion.  If I write an article bashing right-wing conservative Christians, I almost get universal praise from liberal readers for calling out the ridiculousness of these religious fanatics.

The general consensus seems to be “religion is bad and has no part in our government.”

Two points with which I completely agree.  Even though I’m a Christian, I think organized religion is one of the worst things to ever happen to the human race.  Faith is fine.  But what organized religion does is it takes faith, puts self-serving human rules on it based upon whatever the humans who happen to be making up these rules want, then they use that religion to control millions of people.

And when it comes to religion and our government, our First Amendment makes it pretty clear that the two should never be mixed.

But I’ve noticed there’s a hypocrisy when it comes to many liberals and how they view religion.  Because if I call out hypocrisies I see on the far right, it’s usually no big deal.

However, if I dare to call out Muslims on something – that’s when all hell breaks loose.

It’s a point Bill Maher actually made a few weeks ago.  He said when it comes to religion, liberals often have no problems bashing Christianity.  Yet he often finds many of these same liberals defending Islam and outraged if someone might dare call out radicalism within the Muslim community.

And while I don’t always agree with Maher, I think he’s right on this issue.

I’m a supporter of all religious freedoms.  All I ask is that everyone keeps their religion to themselves and we keep it out of government.  That’s it.  Seems pretty simple, right?

That being said, there are horrific things that go on inside Islam and many of these countries that are under Islamic rule.  If you want to talk about countries with massive violations of human rights, the first place you might want to look is a nation controlled by a government enforcing Islamic rule.

But if I say something like that, I’m often slammed by many liberals as anti-Muslim or xenophobic.

Even look at the situation in Gaza.  It’s an absolute mess and has been for decades.

That being said, I notice how liberals seem to be much more on the side of “Israel is in the wrong” than anything else.

And even though most Israelis aren’t Christians, many Christians here in the United States support Israel.

Now, I’m not defending Israel.  In my opinion, both sides are wrong.  I don’t think there’s a “right” or “wrong” answer to any of it.

But I’ve just found it interesting how so many liberals have come out against Israel much in the same way conservatives have come out in support of them.  As if the situation in Gaza has anything to do with what we care about politically here at home.

“Oh, conservatives are for Israel, well that must mean that Israel is in the wrong!” 

Because most of the comments I’ve read from both side of this issue have been, at best, slightly factual to downright inaccurate.  Meaning that most people are reacting on emotion toward what’s going on in Gaza rather than facts.

But it’s just an interesting trend I’ve noticed.  Bash the radicalization of Christianity, that’s fine.  Call out the horrific acts that Islamic countries often carry out in the “name of Islam” and suddenly many liberals think you’re racist, prejudice, anti-Muslim and xenophobic.

For me, it just all goes back to my belief that organized religion is one of the worst things to happen to the human race.  It’s a way to justify horrific acts all in the name of (fill in name of religion).

Because that’s exactly what history tells us.  If there’s some kind of horrific human-caused injustice in our history, organized religion is almost always the tool used to justify it.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Barry

    Putting Israel and Hamas aside (not religious war in my opinion), what are you left with? Bashing takes many forms. Here in the UK there is an attempt to integrate Muslims, thus a slight moving of the scales. However none of the bashing has much to do with religion. Most all of it is political and revolves around human rights. Sectarianism is an ugly beast, a hate born within the halls of suspicion and righteousness. Jumping on the Muslims for say FGM is not sectarian. Muslims do it and call it religion and faith based. But then they call everything they do right up to which hand they wipe with religious and the word of God. So no… you do not get to bash them for eating with their (is it right) hand as this is the chosen hand of God. Bullshit! It’s all bullshit in any case. Surely you agree with that. All of it, no matter the name, style, authority or absurdity of rules and laws… it is all absurd. The damage is done by its very existence. As you say religion steals our individual relationship with faith and uses it for power. I say as long as they are being held in check and cannot infect with the assistance of govt (however it comes), we are doing okay. It doesn’t matter which side of the coin is tarnished if both side are tarnished.

    • Dean S Horak

      It is absolutely a religious war from Hamas’ perspective. This is a proxy war being waged on behalf of the greater Muslim world. Do not be decieved into thinking Hamas is working in isolation from other radical Islamic groups.

      • Kenneth Browning

        That works both ways. Who’s funding Israel with billions of dollars and millions of dollars worth of weapons?

      • Dean S Horak

        Except that’s the same way. The US is helping fund Israel because they are our ally and the only real democracy in the region. It is not a religious war from our perspective (or Israel’s) as all they want is to live in peace within their own independent state.

        Hamas’ charter on the other hand is to annihilate the infidels – most of their charter consists of passages from the Qur’an. Hamas has no interest in peace. And Hamas is only a small element of the larger Muslim goals to conquer all nations and place them under Sharia law (see ISIS).

      • Kenneth Browning

        Yea, because those living in Palestine didn’t want their own independent state. In 1915 they thought it might actually happen. Britain made a commitment to helping the Arab states win their independence from the Ottoman Empire. Which many Arabs helped Britain and fight for their freedom. But then in 1917 came the Balfour Declaration, which promised Zionist Jews to help them establish their own home, because they wanted to stop Jewish immigration to Britain. Only one cabinet member opposed the declaration, and he happened to be the only Jewish man in the cabinet. Also worth noting, at this time Britain had no legal authority over the lans nor did they take into consideration what the Muslims and Christians who were living thought about it(jews at the time only made up 11% of the population.) The declaration caused many Jews from the U.S. and Western Europe to immigrate there. The Palestinians who already lived there were left with no political representation. The Palestinians living there were forcefully removed from their land, which eventually led to about a quarter million of them being exiled or fleeing. Then from 1936-1939 there was the Arab Revolts, protesting against the mass immigration of Jews and British control. This is also when a terrorists group called Irgun was formed. No, they weren’t a Muslim terrorists group, but a Zionist. They were responsible for at least 60 attacks on Palestinians and British soldiers. They bombed the King David Hotel in 1946, the British Embassy in Rome, assassinations and assassination attempts. Then, in 1947 Britain washed their hands of the area and turned the Mandate of Palestine over to the U.N. Soon after Israel was created.

        As far as them being the only democracy in the region, do we need to go over why? How many democracies has the U.S. government overthrown in that region to put puppets in power? The U.S. government has no business clamoring about democracy. They’ve been doing it for decades, while at the same time they’ve overthrown democracies, put dictators in power and stood by while these dictators murdered thousands. The U.S. is only in favor of democracy when it suits their needs. In places like Guatemala, Brazil, Argentina, Iran, Iraq etc. it didn’t, so they put puppet dictators in power instead.

      • Dean S Horak

        Thanks for the history lesson. Maybe if I stare at it long enough I’ll find something I didn’t already know.

        The point is yes, the US is backing Israel and the radical Muslim world is backing Hamas. The similarity ends there though. The goal of Israel is to have safe, independent homeland where they can live without the constant threat of another holocaust from their host country. Hamas, on the other hand has as it’s charter the complete annialation of Israel. But this is just part of the larger goal of radical Islam which is to establish sharia law thought the world – killing anyone unwilling to submit.

        Just a minor difference I guess.

      • poppaDavid

        If Jews are looking for a safe independent homeland, I vote for giving them a sparkly inhabited part of Nevada. No reason to push people out of a land that they had held as a homeland for thousands of years.

        I find great humor in the fact that conservatives in the United States fear communism in the United States while supporting the “Peoples Socialist State” of Israel as “our closest ally” and “the only real democracy in the region”. Perhaps we can learn something from Israel and stop fearing socialism.

      • Dean S Horak

        Ummm… check your history.

        Jews have inhabited that land continuously in various populations since paleolithic times. As an ethnic group, they are descendants of the Semite people who live in the region (known as Canaan) – long before Jacob (Israel) was born.

        The land has changed hands countless times since then. At what arbitrary point in history should we stick a stake in the ground and say “the rules start from this point forward”? The answer is, you can’t. We have to start with today and Israel has every legal right to that land – as much as any other nation has the right to their land.

        Oh – and yea, the Mormons would love your proposal – that would pretty much fulfill their prophecies (and give them some much needed legitimacy). LOL.

      • poppaDavid

        I have looked at the history and at the genetic markers for the various Jewish populations and the Palestinian population. (Proceeding of the National Academy of the Sciences of the United States of America, vol. 97 no. 12, Michael F. Hammer et all, University of Arizona, 2000)

        Guess what? Roman and Ashkenazi Jews are closer to Palestinians and Syrians than they are to Yemini, North African, Kurdish and Near Eastern Jews.

        European Jews are likely the descendants of the Israelites who were evicted by the Romans in 136.
        Palestinians are likely the descendants of the Israelites who were not evicted by the Romans. As such, they have exactly the same claim as the returning Jews, with the added legitimacy that they remained on that land for the last two thousand years.

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      • Kenneth Browning

        If my kid kid was participating in ethnic cleansing and genocide, no. I would do to them what they did to the Nazis.

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        Israel is not doing ethic cleansing, they are alone in that region and surrounded by those who have repeatedly said that they are out to erase Israel and kill jews
        ………………..im agnostic; born ” Christian” catholic so I do not have a political interest in this. I see a group attempting survival. how they got there / why they got there is historical fact and subject to review– but THEY ARE THERE

      • poppaDavid

        Actually, if you check the maps, the statement “they are there” keeps changing because “there” keeps getting larger at the expense of the people who are displaced from “there”. That is the reality behind the “new settlements” Israel continues to build on land expropriated from the legitimate owners.

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        this is just another storm– israel is alone; and if Israel is doing what U infer why is the UN not stepping in?

      • poppaDavid

        Why? United States support for them in the U.N.

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      • poppaDavid

        The members of the UN Security Council have veto power over the actions of the UN. The United States is a permanent member of the Security Council. They veto the actions you reference. Russia and China exercise similar actions on behalf of their clients.

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      • poppaDavid

        I suggest that you might read the list posted by the www_dot_jewishvirtuallibrary_dot_org_slash_jsource_slash_UN_slash_usvetoes_dot_html for 1972 to 2011

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      • poppaDavid

        How many do you need? This list was compiled by the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise. They contain the title, Subject number and date.

        Condemning Israeli settlements Established Since 1967 as Illegal S/2011/24 February 18, 2011

        Calling Israel To Halt Gaza Operation S/2006/878 November 11, 2006

        Calling Israel To Halt Gaza Operation S/2006/508 July 13, 2006

        Calling Israel To Halt Gaza Operation S/2004/783 October 5, 2004

        Condemning Israel for Killing Hamas Leader Ahmed Yassin S/2004/240 March 25, 2004

        Seeking to Bar Israel from Extending Security Fence S/2003/980 October 14, 2003

        Demanding Israel Halt Threats to Expel Yasser Arafat S/2003/891 September 16, 2003

        Condemning Israeli Killing UN employees of World Food Programme S/2002/1385 December 20, 2002

        Demanding Immediate Cessation of Israeli-Palestinian Violence S/2001/1199 December 14, 2001

        Calling for UN Observers Force in West Bank & Gaza S/2001/270 March 27, 2001

        There are more, if you need more.

      • Barry

        I understand. My viewpoint is that all of these wars throughout history have been about greed, possession, revenge and power… nothing to do with religion. No matter how loudly they shout the name of their god!!

  • Pipercat

    I’m glad I don’t have to qualify my agreement with the underlying thesis with an obligatory sectarian nod. I’m quite glad I can remain on the sidelines and see this for all that it is: tragic.

  • chaserblue

    The way I look at it, if your God is telling you to hate any other group of people, it’s time to upgrade to a new God because that one is apparently broken.

    • Lisette Muntslag

      I ask just asked the question what God is going to tell his chosen people that it’s ok to exploit and hate others? I am not the only one questioning the matter.

    • LIBERTYSINCURSION

      Spoken like a true racist, or, I mean Liberal,,, or wait,, I mean, ugh, what God are you talking about? The Christian God or the Islamic God? I have to know so I can determine whether you’re a Liberal or a racist. < Sincerely Liberalism )

      • chaserblue

        If you knew anything at all about religion, you’d know it was the same, tired old Canaanite war god. All the Abrahamic religions have the same god.

      • mlvc

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      • chaserblue

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    • chaserblue

      who asked you?

  • Pam Delaney

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
    United States — Muslim 0.6%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1.8%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%
    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
    among street gangs. This is happening in:
    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
    their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the
    introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
    securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
    They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.
    This is occurring in:
    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — Muslim 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
    them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic
    Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the
    entire world.
    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase
    lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris ,
    we are already seeing car-burnings.
    Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and
    threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and
    films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim
    sections, in:
    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 15%
    After reaching 20% , nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
    At 40% , nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
    From 60% , nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers
    of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic
    ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya,
    the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%*
    After 80% , expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 100%
    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the
    most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood
    lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

    • Dean S Horak

      Great comment. I agree completely. Is this your own analysis or can you cite a source?

      • Sandy Greer

        It should have been sourced; doing otherwise is Plagiarism. A quick Google of the first sentence reveals both author & title of his book:

        truediscipleship DOT org/Gtopics/general492 DOT htm

      • Pam Delaney

        The truth is plagiarism?

      • Sandy Greer

        Not acknowledging your source is Plagiarism:

        Plagiarism = taking someone else’s work or ideas and passing them off as your own

        Give credit where credit is due.

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      • Sandy Greer

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        ~ Mark Twain

      • Pam Delaney

        Actually copied it from someone that copied it from comment, but so far all of it is true. I fear our political correctness is inviting in a devil.

      • Shawnah

        How do you know its true? What actual physical evidence or experience can you provide as proof. I have some. I am a good ‘ol gal from Texas who married a Muslim man from a Islamic country. 12 years of marriage and two children later he has not once asked me to change to his beliefs. I wear what I want, I drink alcohol when I feel like it, and I definitely eat bacon. He also agrees that we should teach our children about both religions instead of forcing them into one. Let it be their choice. 5 years ago I (not him) decided that it was important for our children to know their other half so we moved to my husbands 3rd world Islamic country (which was not listed) so they could experience a different way of life. For my children it was the best choice I could have made. By the age of 3yrs my daughter was speaking three languages (English, French, and Arabic) and could easily switch between them depending on who she was talking to. My son is two years ahead in his education here while if he was in the US he would have been overlooked as a ADD problem child who didn’t fit the model and forced to be placed on medicine or he would be put into lower classes. In a country that records would say is 100% Islamic there happens to be a very high number, considering, of foreigners of different religions. I personally live 2 minutes from the Catholic church here. Here the religious day off is/was Friday but my husband’s boss who is highly conservative and deeply religious made sure that any Christians working in the company (about 30 people) were given their chosen day off to attend church services. I safely leave my home uncovered in blue jeans and tank tops with NO issues from locals I run into daily. Most have been nothing but polite, courteous, generous, and understanding. Yes, I have ran into jerks but that is anywhere you go. The biggest jerks I have ran into happen to be the 1st world non-Muslims that bash and ridicule the locals, treating them as if they are lesser people. In the past decade gold, silver, oil, and other major minerals have been found here and immediately the outsiders arrive and take claim. They come in and set up accounts with locals to provide work (at very low pay), food, equipment, and services but in many cases they have refused to pay and they get away with it. No lawsuits. As for the work they give they are under obligation to hire a certain percentage of locals for the company BUT in many cases they fail to meet those numbers. How do they get away with all of this? They bribe the local government into allowing them to do this. I know for a fact (my position puts me in the know) that 3 American companies, 2 Canadian companies, and several French connections have provided these bribes. These companies are making millions off of this country and unfortunately only less than 15% is actually going back into it. One American company refused to hire a local who was a top of his class from MIT in engineering for anything more than a driver. This is a pattern that I am seeing in most 3rd world countries which many are listed in that tripe you provided above. I have visited a few of these countries (no issues) and I know of several Christians living in others with once again no real problems. Unfortunately, violence IS happening all around us but instead of focusing on the religious back grounds of those doing violence, which is not only being done by Muslims, you should actually focus on the reasons such violence is being done. So until you step out of that freaking bubble you surround yourself in and wake up to the realities of what is actually happening in our world you should stop putting out viral communications that provide only the twisted truth and twisted words of twisted people.

    • Sherri G

      Christians learned to destroy by preaching, twisting the word of “God” and stealing the land out from under you…..they do the same as Islam, just more subtly….look at all the death and destruction here in the U.S. on N.Americans and early non”white/christian” immigrants….how about what they’ve done to Africa where they come in, change cultures, force dependency and then blame their poverty and demise on their “pagan ways”…..

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      I don’t know how true this is,,,but it is fabulous reading– I do note that Christianity in America falls into this category at least part of the way up that “ladder”
      peace will never be achieved anywhere as greed and money and power will always usurp the attempts by less radical people

    • Pipercat

      Sorry gang, this is an edited chain letter. A simple search of the beginning text produced nothing credible as to where this came from.

    • ta2t2o

      Your last line also sums up Christian nations whose most radical Christians intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical or non-Christians. The difference is that Christians rationalize this as a reason that the killing of 4 year old children in Gaza, entire families in drone strikes in Pakistan, or the outright murder of 16 local villagers (including 9 children) in Afghanistan as acceptable. We manage to rationalize them as equal to the extremists in their religion. Whereas we don’t own that same extremism when Christian extremists bomb abortion clinics or federal buildings in Oklahoma, or leave a young gay man to die strapped to a fence as if he were crucified in the cold of a Wyoming morning.

  • Eddie Higgins

    I believe all Religions are the Bane of the Human Race !

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  • Dean S Horak

    I tend to lean liberal on many things, but I believe this article is spot on. There is nothing liberal about Hamas or Islam so my guess is that most liberals that take their side have simply not done their homework.

  • Kathy Wentzel

    I don’t know these liberals that you speak of, but they certainly aren’t feminist liberals, that’s for sure. I have just as much to say about Islam as I do about Christianity.

  • Kenneth Browning

    Except when talking about christian fundamentalism, you’re specifically talking about it and not lumping in every Christian in with them. While when the other side talks about Muslims or even Arabs in general, they typically are lumping all 1 billion or most of them together.

    • rossbro

      No such thing as a ‘moderate’ Muslim.

      • ta2t2o

        You just made his point. That’s the difference in the commentary and why liberals become defensive of Islam. People like “rossbro” lump all Muslims together when talking about extremists in that religion. This is exactly how the justify the killing of children in Palestine. I have a hard time believing a 4 year old Palestinian is an extremist, but rossbro can because it allows him to cheer on the death of that child and still consider himself a Christian.

        When we talk about Christian, we separate out the extremists as the exception and we always qualify them as such. However, Muslims as a whole get grouped together and stereotyped by the extremists amongst them not as the exception, but as the norm. This is easily disproved when you travel to a country like the UAE, or acknowledge the Muslims living and working amongst us in the USA. I work with dozens of Muslims. Heck, I placed second to the one I sat beside in the offic World Cup Pool. One of the other Muslims I work with was trapped in the rubble of the Haiti earthquake go rove 9 hours. SHE recently travelled to Liberia….during the Ebola outbreak to check on our offices there and will probably be at Happy Hour this Friday.

        That is why Liberals defund Muslim. Liberals don’t believe that all Muslims are stereotyped, or all gays are stereotyped, or all the immigrants crossing our borders, or even that all Conservatives are alike. Heck, we even except out the extremists in that group to give the others a pass.

      • Mike Smith

        Yeah, I call bullshit on your post. You guys always lump the Tea Party into the “crazy right wing religious group” totally ignoring the amount of atheist libertarians that are in the mix. To you, the rest of those who don’t reverberate your opinion in the echo chamber of liberalism are just nut jobs, not free thinkers.

      • LouRich

        Islam is indefensible by Western liberal standards. If you’re a Muslim, it means you follow the religion of Islam, and it means Mohammed is your example. If you are someone (Muslim or infidel) who is unfamiliar with Mohammed, you should get familiar before you defend him and the religion he spawned and the people who closely follow that religion. Even if you don’t “go to mosque”, if you believe Mohammed is the best human, as Islam requires, then you are a threat to others who are not Muslim, or who are not “Muslim enough”, because you believe in the eventual conversion, subjugation, or extinction of all unbelievers, now or in the future, so that Islam rules supreme. P.S. Christianity and Islam are not “the same”, or even comparable. When one “becomes more like Jesus” one becomes more loving and peaceful. When one becomes more like Mohammed, the same cannot be said. The two religions have completely different prophets and completely different ideas about what God is and what God wants and what it takes to get to paradise (heaven). If you don’t know it, learn it. The knowledge will open your eyes completely and you will know that this clash of cultures is a threat to civilization around the world.

      • Feisty

        LouRich, Your response is full of logical fallacies. You try and equate “following Muhammed” to “being a threat to others”. Because your entire premise is based on your own misconceptions about Muhammad. It is evident that you failed to follow your own advice about “getting familiar about Muhammed” because whatever information you did find about Muhammed was clearly sourced from a single biased perspective. It’s known as “confirmation bias”, look it up. The Quran is the source of Islam and it represents Muhammed as a kind and compassionate man. So to a Muslim who looks up to Muhammad based on the information presented by the Quran, it falsifies your whole argument.

      • LouRich

        The Quran is not the source of Islam. Mohammed is. According to the religion of Islam, Mohammed is the “perfect man” who sets the perfect example for his followers. If you are a Muslim, you are a follower of Mohammed. Did Mohammed order the beheading of 600 Jewish men in Medina, after they gave him refuge there? Did he rape the captive women and hand them out as sex slaves to his soldiers? Does he say it’s okay to beat your (multiple) wives? Does he say it’s okay to have sex with children? Does he say it’s okay to hate Jews and Christians? Does he say it’s okay to kill people who don’t accept Islam? Is it okay to kill your fellow Muslims who leave Islam? I know all I need to know about your delightful prophet. There is no excuse for continuing to perpetuate barbaric practices and values in today’s modern world. And that’s what the followers of Mohammed do.

  • Incredulus

    People are tribal- and the truth is most of us make decisions not on facts, but on the way we feel the facts jive with our cultural identity. It is good to criticize ideologies and ideas (Islam, Christianity), and bad to be racist and bigoted against people (Muslims, Christians, etc).

  • u_go_guys

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    Ignorant religious people whom are naïve, easily manipulated, dangerously superstitious to the extreme, hate others for their beliefs regardless, , ,; they are the ones who warrant being “bashed”, be they Christians or whatever. Unfortunately, just like gun advocates, those in the U.S. who are “reasonable” religious people, and those here or elsewhere who are reasonable Muslims, suffer right along with the “bad apples”.

  • Jim Bean

    Been watching you for some time, Allen. You’re growing, and in a good sort of way. If more of the objective members of the right and left were willing to confront their wayward counterparts, ‘right and left’ would eventually cease to be a distinction worth discussion.

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      correct jimbo— big big correct: as I have also been saying ( with substantially MORE vitriol) religion sucks; dangerous stuff and whether its pseudo-regressive American “Christians” or radical violent moslems or any other ” follow me” religion I am puking ( metaphorically) at any and all sights and sounds of religion. RELIGION is superstition and VOODOO: that is simply true because GOD is too big to be defined by man; hence any and all attempts are bovaristic and financially infused for controlling non thinking subjugated humans

      • Jim Bean

        Religion doesn’t suck. Religious zealots suck and I regard liberalism just as much a religion as Christianity – the difference being – they worship themselves. Of the people with the ten highest recorded IQ’s in the world, at least 8 are theists and at least 6 of them are Christians. It takes a greater leap of faith to look around and decide that everything you see not created by man is the result of a kazillion random coincidences than to suspect there might be forces involved that aren’t clearly understood. Furthermore, Christians do more good for society than all other charitable organizations combined. Don’t believe me? Google ‘catholic Christian’ charities and tell me how many hits you get. Then google ‘atheist charities’ to fine-tune your perspective.

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        overall excellent stuff,,,,,,i can tell ya that religious groups who donate do it for almost TOO many reasons — including tax breaks and “spreading THEIR word” to the recipients but this isn’t the time as I am certain U know this to be true.
        as b4- I have no problem with the concept of a “GOD” as Im NOT atheist–im agnostic– but my angst is incurred with RELIGION which is dogmatic by design and thus hemmed in BY that dogma/mantra
        NOTE: as religious (sucky) zealots are what we have as agents of religion in this dimension; I would argue that religion sucks based upon a “scorecard”
        — theoretically religion does have some superb stuff

      • Jim Bean

        Other than the fact that they are critical of genital indiscretions, divergences, and the dealing with the aftermath/birth, where have Christians caused harm recently?

      • ta2t2o

        Gaza – Christians have allowed the majority of the world to think that it’s perfectly acceptable to kill a 4 year old girl because they have managed to convince most people that all Muslims are extremist, including that 4 year old. Muslims = Bad, therefore a small Muslim child is just a future extremist to them and they don’t really need to reconcile the death or murder of that child.

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        just as American ” Christians” have attempted to pollute the airwaves with ” Obama is a muslim; were all gonna die/ he hates white America/ hes a commie/ he wants a nanny state/ he is wealth Redistributing/ etc”
        there are a million “churches” in USA as it is financially profitable; easy easy money

      • LouRich

        The “majority of the world” has been deceived by Arafat and the PA (and later by Hamas), not by Christians and Jews. Using 4-year old dead girls to promote false narratives and further murderous aims is a signature PA move. If you think the PA or Hamas cares about the Arab people of Palestine, you are the deceived. Israeli Jews care more about the so called Palestinians than the PA or Hamas ever has or will.

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        ” recently”,,,,I like that!
        ok,,,,, the pseudo-Christians are overtly attempting to place THIER firebrand of “religion”( voodoo) into our legislation,,,, we need 2 maintain separation of state and ‘church’- that is mandated by the comments and writings of the “founding fathers”
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        ALL ( yes; all) religions MUST be kept silent on the political level especially when forming LAW — law formation in a country which espouses equality for all ( religious) americans.
        can U imagine the outrage from A CERTAIN GROUP OF “patriots” if jews or moslems or atheists or hindues were as aggressively seeking THEIR religious law(s) in OUR state and national legislation??
        there would be shootings and burnings en mass

      • Brian

        And government charity does more than all religions in the world combined. Religious charity isn’t nearly as big as you seem to think it is, and the Vatican sits on incredibly vast stores of wealth they do nothing with. Furthermore, the church collects a ton of money that goes into its own coffers. The charitable work they do is terribly disproportionate with the amount of money they collect. Religion stopped being necessary hundreds of years ago.
        A common tactic of the religious apologist is to try and bring everyone down to his or her level by claiming everyone that disagrees with them is also part of a crazy religion, then pulling half-truths and lies out of their ass with no source to back up their claims.

      • Jim Bean

        Government does zero charity because it has zero wealth to do it with. It merely confiscates and redistributes the wealth of others. Those on the receiving end see that as virtuous, those on the giving end see it as thievery.

      • ta2t2o

        But then how do you reconcile tithing?

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      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        telling lemming patrons in a religion to “tithe” by informing (??) them that its the way to a sparkling afterlife is thievery and confiscation also– and religion redistributes wealth according to what RELIGION prefers
        biggest plunderers ever

      • LouRich

        Before Christianity and tithing, caring for the poor wasn’t even a “thing”. It wasn’t on anyone’s radar in any part of the ancient world until Jesus showed up. Jesus was the first influential person who taught that society should care about it’s meekest members and that they didn’t have to be rich to go to heaven. (i.e., buy their way in.)

      • Brian

        Strawman. Easily disproved by looking at the US government’s foreign aid budget. Troll harder, moron.

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        hes not a troll; just an aging ( 75 or so) white man who hates progress and I suspect he drinks too much
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        as are most regressive republican blockheads.

      • Jim Bean

        I would add that the fact that you can’t give them any credit for doing any good whatsoever suggests you don’t deserve any either.

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        if we weigh out the so called positives and the so called negatives that religion has given mankind I would say that religion just got its ass kicked in any discussion regarding “furthering the advancement of humankind’

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        and notice that I not only give U ” upvotes” upon ur posts but I also back u up against idiots such as jim bean

      • LouRich

        Government charity?? LOL. What the heck is that? You mean using other people’s money to make you feel good about yourselves? Liberals have the worst record of charitable giving because they “gave at the IRS”. It’s ludicrous to think the government (and government bureaucrats) should decide for everyone else what is good and worthwhile. Just crazy.

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  • Brian

    I hate all religion. One is much closer to home though. With muslims making up around 1% of the American religious population, and Christians making up about 70%, which one is constantly ramming it down my throat and which one is trying to establish a theocracy in America? Excuse me if I’m a bit biased, but the “Christian” politicians going on about how America is a Christian nation poses a much more immediate threat to me than the Islamists do. That being said, I hate Israel and Hamas, but the Palestinians were there first in all fairness and are the genetic descendants of the original biblical Hebrews.

    • Dean S Horak

      “the Palestinians were there first in all fairness and are the genetic descendants of the original biblical Hebrews”

      What? That doesn’t even make sense. Hebrew is a language, not a people.

      Jews have inhabited that land continuously in various populations since paleolithic times. As an ethnic group, they are descendants of the Semite people who live in the region (known as Canaan) – long before Jacob (Israel) was even born. Many Palestinians can trace their ancestry back to these people as well – so in a sense, ethnically they are cousins – they are descended from the same gene pool (which has been shown to contain Neaderthal genes as well interestingly).

      The land has changed hands countless times since then. At what arbitrary point in history should we stick a stake in the ground and say “the rules start from this point forward”? The answer is, you can’t. We have to start with today and Israel has every legal right to that land – as much as any other nation has the right to their land.

      • Brian

        The Palestinians were there first. The Israeli are mostly Eastern Europeans placed there by the UK and US following WW2. The land has not changed hands countless times, it has changed governors countless times but the Palestinians have remained static. Most of the Jews left Israel during Roman rule and never returned until the 20th century. The Palestinians are the natives and the Israeli are European colonists. Making the claim that they have some right to the land based on their religion is ridiculous. 75 years ago the vast majority of Israeli Jews would have been Russian, Polish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Czechoslovakian, Yugoslavian, Romanian, or Hungarian citizens. The rest would have been Commonwealth or US citizens.
        After 1800 years they don’t have the right to walk in, displace, and slaughter the people who have been living there during that time. The UK pretty much just said “We owned this land before the war, I say we own it now too, here’s some Jews, deal with it.”

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        although they were there 1st,,,,,,,,,,,,its time to recognize that the jewish people are now here. do U cry about the displaced American Indians? NO? then U have no argument-

      • Brian

        Strawman. Focus on the now, please. Troll harder.

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        nice try crybaby brian,,,,, the jewish people are here: backed by America– what do U and other scum NOT understand about this?
        they are under constant attack by groups which have VOWED to ‘exterminate’ them. How would white trash regressive CHRISTIANS in OUR country feel ( and do) if they were under constant PHYSICAL attack and their lifestyle was in peril of extinction?
        ” focus on the now”?? ok,,,,,,,,,,,,, shall we focus on the regressive scum rightwingers religious legislative attempts to continue to gerrymander voting districts and keep women and gays and minorities from the EQUALITY that our “beloved so much” founding fathers wanted??? is that current enough 4 ya???
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        troll? its cretins such as U who troll; no avatar says it all

      • giankeys luvs shemale porn

        I completely understand and accept what U wrote.
        now U should understand that its all about POWER and MONEY: and the jewish nation is here– I personally do not care about the region except that it causes us problems from RELIGIONS.
        bottom line? invasive “species” happens all the time. strong ones ( curlytail/snakehead/ pythons) survive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that the way the planet works ; nature is usurped by random factors: adaptation of/by surrounding species insures success or they dwindle and die
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        welcome to reality

  • Stephen Barlow

    You DON’T get it.
    700+ sects of snake handlers PLUS Shewhoism? + HOW many habbah abba into orthodox Jewism…

    And a POPE? Who promoted KIDDIE RAPE by neglect?

    JIhad.

    THAT ?????????????????????????????????????

    “Death to everyone who does not agree with me.”

    Is what you support?

  • Nemisis

    I agree with Clifton’s assessment.
    Religion, for me is the ultimate in self-serving institutions.
    There exist so much hypocrisy with each religion.
    There are great works done in the name of religion, however there are far greater atrocities done in the name of religion.

    Try this, respect each other, help each other.

  • OldCowboy

    Allen Clifton: I don’t know about other liberals, but I hold no special place in my heart for Muslims. I think any religion which harms people is evil, regardless of whether it is Christian, Muslim or otherwise.

  • Heidi

    Oh thank you for the valid points. I’ve been arguing with a former UN employee about the oppression of Islam (specifically head covering or veiling) even when it’s freely practiced in countries where the women are free to choose- the other person thinks feminists should support it regardless. I disagree heartily- The choice is still made in the context of male supercedence; the Q’ran does not call for it. Apparently my opinion that twisting your religion and then “choosing” to “honor” it falsely is not indeed an expression of freedom or faith makes me an Islamophobe. It made me laugh. I only fear the evils of all organized religion- I don’t discriminate.

  • Ed Cremmins

    I am not affiliated with either the Republican or Democrat parties, I have some views people would classify as “liberal” (typically on social issues); and views people would classify as “conservative (typically on fiscal and business issues)…my conservative friends view me a liberal, my liberal friends view me as conservative…I am also not a Christian, or a person of faith, but I have pretty strong views on religion in society, and am very secular in that regard…and it always astounds me how folks on the left recoil when I point out the toxic qualities of extremist Islam upon the planet…this column is SPOT ON!…anyone that is factual in nature understands that it is a minority of Muslims that feel, for example, that suicide bombings against innocents are warranted…but it is also important to point out that these minorities by percentage are still hugely vast in number (varying in region) and if they were concerned for human rights they should be APPALLED…but when I present these numbers to my liberal friends they immediately think I am referring to ALL MUSLIMS and that I am RACIST and HATEFUL…it literally BLOWS ME AWAY, I appreciate this writer for coming out and being truthful on this issue

  • bchristian85

    I can’t prove this, but I believe what liberals are targeting when they “target” Christianity is the fact that Christians in America are using the political system by method of the Republican party to attempt to force Christian beliefs on non-believers. That is what liberals are against. They aren’t against Christians practicing their faith as they choose. If Islam became a large enough force in this country that they started using the political system to impose Islamic law on non-Muslims, liberals would probably sour on Islam.

    • Suren

      This is why I think American liberals, much like American conservatives, fail to see the big picture, only focusing on what’s going on in their own country.

  • rafaelrmrz32 .

    Yea I don’t know who youre talking about, I am against Sharia law and islam just as I am any other religion

  • Steve

    Great article and recalls the old saying “good for the goose good for the gander” especially when “moderate” -day to day islamics (take a while to laugh -ha ha ha ha ha…*77) again show their 7th century colors and go rogue (recently in the news in france) and beat up a few topless women. Christians may “try” to tell women how to act (which is debatable like any other orthodox religion in that respect) but they don’t go around beating up women today in the name of the pope or jesus. All religions today are not equal. Islam is toxic to the west as it is generally practiced today!

  • QuiCreva

    I am a socio-political liberal who has absolutely NO respect for the doctrines of Islam. We’re not all politically correct morons. This “religion” is the world’s curse. I’ve also noticed how, whenever anyone directs justifiable criticism at Islam, the liberal trolls come billowing out of the woodwork like termites. With one mindless voice they scream about “Islamophobia” and immediately direct vicious tuquoque invectives at Christianity. As they have done on this site. Shame on all the brainless liberal trolls! Where is the Christian version of al Qaeda or ISIS, beheading civilians, taking women as sex slaves, flying airplanes into buildings and driving trucks into crowds? Such groups don’t exist, because unlike Islam, Christianity genuinely is a religion of peace. Just compare Jesus to Muhammad to see the truth.
    Yes, all organized religions have serious shortcomings, but that does not mean they are all equally immoral. Islam takes the prize when it comes to depravity. The sooner the world leaves political correctness behind and acknowledges this simple fact, the safer we all will be. Until then, the Islamic carnage will continue.

  • Thomas Cirnowitz

    They really should not be letting Muslims into Europe, that mental disease has no place there.