Mike Huckabee Says Conservatives Shouldn’t Have to Accept ‘Ungodly’ Constitutional Laws

mike-huckabee-1It’s hard to believe that once upon a time I thought Mike Huckabee was a fairly level-headed conservative. I’m not exactly sure of the year, but I remember using him as an example of a Republican who I didn’t think was all that bad.

Wow, how times have changed.

Now I’ll admit, I’ve never been the biggest Mike Huckabee follower. But I don’t ever remember him being thiradical just a few years ago. Maybe he was and I just didn’t notice it – who knows.

Recently, while speaking with Vision America’s Rick Scarborough, Huckabee continued the usual right-wing nonsense about our Constitution being based on “godly” principles and how laws should be based on the Bible. 

He said, “We have people who say ‘well, the courts have ruled on abortion, we just have to live with it,’ or ‘the courts have ruled on same-sex marriage, we just have to live with it.’ And I would suggest, no we don’t! We shouldn’t just accept things that are ungodly and that will cause us to have to stand before God with bloody hands.”

Yes, that’s Mike Huckabee telling conservatives that if our justice system doesn’t side with their radical right-wing religious beliefs, they shouldn’t accept those rulings.

Whenever a conservative brings up the issue of Christianity and our Constitution, I just go back to the one fact they can’t dispute: The words “Christianity” or “Christian” don’t appear in our Constitution even once. 

These men were supposedly such devout Christians, so enamored with the idea of creating a Christian nation according to people like Mike Huckabee, yet they didn’t include any mention of Christianity in our Bill of Rights?

For those words to not be present anywhere in our Constitution wasn’t by accident, it was by design.

But people like Huckabee continue to hope for a nation that they wish existed, but never has. And that’s really the root of the problem when dealing with conservatives. They base their ideology on what they wished the United States was, instead of what it actually is. They want this country to be based on Christianity, even though our Constitution clearly states that we are not to formally establish any kind of religious rule over Americans.

Yet that’s exactly what Republicans continue to try to do.

Because when it’s all said and done, conservatives believe in a version of the United States that never has actually existed – and hopefully never will.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Jim Bean

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights. (From the Declaration of Independence, without which, there would be no Constitution.)

    “Creator.” Get it?

    • crabjack

      Get what?

    • Cemetery Girl

      Creator would be a higher power, but does not always mean Christian God. It can mean that, but be used to refer to any other power that is credited for creating our world or life. Jefferson is generally believed to be Deist. His religious views were ruled more by nature, science, and morality. At this point the public demands to know at least what religion, if any, anyone with political influence may be, but there was less concern 200 years ago. Their religious views didn’t have to be explained, so it is believed by how he worded things that he was a Deist. He still had faith that some higher power had been at work, but his beliefs wouldn’t be considered aligned with fundemental Christianity. Why do you think Jefferson wrote of seperation of church and state if he believed that thought across the nation should be dominated by the rules of one denomination?

      • Jim Bean

        ” . . . . I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”

        Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association, Connecticut, January 1, 1802.
        ‘Make no law respecting an establishment of religion’ (Liberals endorse this one) ‘Make no laws prohibiting the free exercise thereof’ (liberals hate that one).

      • GreyLadyBast

        You are perfectly free to exercise your religion any way you want. What you are NOT free to do is make or enforce laws that make ME live according to YOUR religion. In the Middle East, they call that Sharia. Why do you support Sharia by another name?

      • Jim Bean

        The Left was unwilling let Hobby Lobby exercise their religion ‘any way they want(ed)’.

      • You got it backwards, Hobby Lobby wants to force their religious beliefs on their employees who may or may not agree. No one was stopping the Hobby Lobby owners from doing anything in their personal lives.

      • Jim Bean

        Their business IS their personal life,

      • Yeah, no it’s not. Not when they have employees and take money from the public. If that was the case segregation would still exist in the South.

      • Vote for Truth

        Nobody wanted to segregate anybody! Hobby Lobby did not want to PAY for abortion, but the woman can quit, or pay for her own abortion. She wouldn’t lose her job, but Hobby Lobby would not be forced to PAY for abortion either. Do you Democrats think it’s okay for ALL OF YOU to control businesses and even individuals if we don’t agree with what you want, but you are so afraid of a person like Mike Huckabee becoming President because YOU think he might force you to follow his religion. It’s okay for you, but not for Christians, I get it!

      • GreyLadyBast

        If you truly believe that, you need to get to work repealing all incorporation laws. The entire point of incorporating in the first place is to REMOVE the personal risk from the business endeavor. If their business is their personal life, they have should not be separating the risk from themselves by incorporating. If their business risk is separate from their personal life, made so by incorporating in the first place, then they have should not be forcing their religious beliefs on their employees. You can’t have it both ways, no matter how much you want to. And by “they” I mean the owners of Hobby Lobby, who are free to worship how they choose but still not free to force their beliefs on others, and not Hobby Lobby as an entity, which should also NOT be free to force its so-called religious beliefs on its customers or employees. Just in case you feel the need to nitpick prepositions again.

      • Jim Bean

        If you’re right, then you need to get a million dollar a year job from a corporation with no human associates.

      • GreyLadyBast

        That doesn’t even make the tiniest bit of sense, let alone address my point. Go take your meds, seriously.

      • Jim Bean

        It wasn’t supposed to make sense. The notion that corporations have no human components doesn’t either either.

      • GreyLadyBast

        I never said corporations have no human components. I said corporations are things, ideas designed to separate personal assets from business risk. Which they are. The people IN the corporations are still human, but either way, human or corporate thing, they have no right to force ME to live by THEIR religious rules. The very first amendment of the Constitution lays that out in so many words.

        Now, go sleep, or eat, or whatever it is you need to do to turn your brain back on, and come back when you can start making sense, not word salad.

      • Vote for Truth

        Nobody is forcing YOU to live by THEIR religious rules. You can not work for such a company, you can leave that company and find other work, you can pay for the abortion medicines yourself! Nobody is forcing you to live by their religious rules!

      • GreyLadyBast

        1) They’re contraceptives, not “abortion medicines.” Learn some science.

        2) Hobby Lobby is trying to use force of law in order to withhold legal compensation from its employees over so-called “deeply held religious beliefs” (which still somehow allow for Hobby Lobby to profit from those very same contraceptive drug) and that is most definitely working towards forcing others to live by YOUR religious rules.

      • Jim Bean

        ‘Not buying something for someone’ is not ‘forcing them to adopt your religious beliefs’ because you’re still free to get it somewhere else without repercussions from them or anyone else.

        If y’all had a case to make, you wouldn’t be falling back on that intellectual non-starter.

      • GreyLadyBast

        So now you’re saying it’s entirely appropriate to refuse to patronize Hobby Lobby, when before you were claiming it was an evil leftist plot to deny a corporation its religious freedoms. You make no sense. Again.

      • Jim Bean

        Not buying something FOR someone means something different than not buying something FROM someone. However, I do agree it is entirely appropriate not to buy something from OR for anyone, for whatever reason you choose. (Frankly, I’m not convinced you’re not trying to have it both ways.)

      • GreyLadyBast

        And now you’re projecting your behavior onto me. I’ve got bingo!

        Seriously, I’ve never personally interacted with someone who so thoroughly embodied everything wrong with the right wing before. I almost didn’t truly believe people like you existed in the real world. You should run for office. The “I got mine, screw you” crowd will positively adore you.

      • Jim Bean

        I’m not part of the right wing. I don’t oppose abortion or gay marriage for example. I’m part of the mutual respect, give-and-take crowd. The Left is strictly ‘take.’ Also, agnostic, not Christian.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Actually, in point of fact it’s the Tea Party that wants all the benefits of civilized society without paying a dime for it. But that’s neither here nor there. If you’re not part of the right wing, why are you so incredibly dedicated to their talking points and methods of debate?

        Also, weren’t you done with me? Or can’t you make your mind up?

      • Jim Bean

        Can’t make up my mind.

        HL was everything the Leftern Hemisphere claimed they admired in an employer. Double the minimum wage. Full benefits including health coverage that provided 16 of the 20 approved birth control methods. Then, for the sake of the other four they were willing to throw them under the bus.

        Upon losing, they climb the highest mount and deliver a sermon proclaiming themselves as the occupiers of the moral high ground and contend that refusing to provide the other four is equal to forcing them to refrain from using those other four and accepting Catholicism as their faith of choice, to boot.

        Society will never function harmoniously as long as people as selfish and intellectually dishonest as these have an influence.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Evangelical, not Catholic. Furthermore, the “deeply held religious beliefs” that let Hobby Lobby withhold compensation from their employees still somehow allow for the company to profit from those very same medicines. Me, I smell a rat there. Finally, those same “deeply held religious beliefs” that allow for company profit but not employee benefit are based on proven false science. Do you truly want to live in a country where proven science is overridden by false superstition? I don’t.

        Hypocrisy, superstition, and shoving their beliefs onto others, and this is the example of religious freedom you prefer? You DO realize “freedom to practice religion” doesn’t actually mean “the right to make everyone behave as if they follow one particular religion,” which is what Mike Huckabee is advocating and Hobby Lobby is getting away with.

        If you want a theocracy to live in, there are plenty to chose from in the Middle East. Please, go there and make yourself at home. I’m sure you’ll be welcome.

      • Vote for Truth

        What’s the difference between Obama forcing gay marriage on Christians whether they agree with it or not and “freedom to practice religion” and forcing their religion on everyone?
        BTW, Mike Huckabee governed Arkansas for 10 1/2 yrs. as Governor. He did not force his religion on the people in Arkansas and won’t force his religion on the people in America as President in 2016 any more than Obama has forced gay marriage and more and more abortion on us!

      • jonjstrine42

        President Obama is forcing Christians into gay marriages? When did this happen?
        Oh yeah. It didn’t. He is not “forcing gay marriage on Christians”. If Christians don’t want to marry someone of the same sex, they don’t have to. How is that forcing gay marriage on them? Are churches not required to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples? No, they aren’t.
        So how exactly is President Obama “forcing gay marriage on Christians”? Because I (and the rest of us living in the real world) just don’t see it.

      • Vote for Truth

        I didn’t say forcing Christians into gay marriage, what I said was Obama forcing Christians, like ministers, to marry gay people or it’s discrimination. What about religious freedom? You can’t have it both ways!

      • jonjstrine42

        Almost two weeks until you replied. I was almost going to ignore you, but your idiocy cannot go without an answer. President Obama is in no way forcing churches to marry gay couples. Please point to the law that say it is happening. And please try to reply before another two weeks goes by.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Marriage is a civil right and thus should be absolutely available to everyone, regardless of gender or orientation. Nobody’s forcing churches who don’t want to marry gays to do so, contrary to what Fox News would have you believe. But for legal and tax purposes, it has to be all or nothing.

        Furthermore, what about the religious freedom of those churches who DO want to marry gays? Their beliefs are against the law, because you and yours would force everyone to do as you say. Is religious freedom only for those who agree with you?

      • Vote for Truth

        Sorry, that’s a lie, the ACLU have sued ministers in churches for not marrying gay people. They should not be forced to commit a sin because the gays want to cause trouble (they can find lots of churches who will marry them). Nobody said anything about churches who want to marry gays. Only people like you Democrats who want to control everybody would even think about Christians caring about churches who want to do this. We don’t force anyone, it is their freedom of choice. We aren’t out in America telling anybody they must by law do as the Christian church says, we respect their freedom of religion. It might be a good idea if all of you respect that too…freedom of religion, so stop interfering in our right to Christianity. There have been many, many Christian Presidents who did not force their religion on you. If you want to burn in hell, that’s your right and business!

      • GreyLadyBast

        Citation needed. Given the amount you lie, I doubt you can come up with a single case of anyone, anywhere, suing a church—a church, mind you, not a justice of the peace, not a bakery, not a florist, but a tax-exempt church, for not marrying a gay couple. It is, however, true that churches who do value freedom and do want to marry gay people are discriminated against, their freedom of religion denied by law, by bigots like you. That absolutely is telling everybody they must obey YOUR religious preferences, and denying people freedom of religion. It’s not just for you reactionary right-wing nutjobs, but then I suppose you’re too dumb to understand that.

        And again, I am not a Democrat. Never have been, never will be. I’m sorry you’re too stupid to be able to read words printed right in front of you, but then again, you’re stupid enough to believe your bigotry is a fine and dandy thing, so I guess it’s par for the course. Enjoy your vicious, lying last word. I’m done with you. You bore me.

      • Vote for Truth

        BTW, GreyLadyBast, you don’t get to decide for us what we believe or not. It is not based on false science, which even if it was, we have the RIGHT to be Christians if we want to. Remember Freedom of religion and not to prohibit that freedom either.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Now you’ve moved from lies to just spouting random words that don’t even form sentences. Are you planning to quit any time soon or are you so self-absorbed that you just HAVE to have the last word, no matter how nonsensical it is?

        For the record, I don’t CARE what you believe. I care that you and yours are trying to force ME to live by YOUR religious beliefs and trying to deny others the religious freedom you want for yourselves. Stop trying to enforce Christian Sharia law, and we won’t have a problem.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        the right wing doesn’t TAKE????
        REALLY??? shall I purge this thread with EXAMPLES refuting that?????

      • Cemetery Girl

        You word it as the employer is directly purchasing the medical goods. They contribute indirectly to the payment of medical goods for everyone that has insurance from that provider. Payments made for premiums are spent in a variety of ways and not earmarked for an individual or group. If premiums were used directly it would cause limitations on services depending on the length of time an individual held the policy. If someone just started coverage, had an accident that required surgery and therapy, they would be informed that their insurance would only cover up to the amount of the premium already paid in. That isn’t the case though and most people would be thankful the accident occurred after coverage started. It’s possible because of the pooling of funds to cover costs. Very similar to George Bailey’s speech in Its a Wonderful Life. Your premiums aren’t here; they’re in Frank’s knee, Charlie’s ear, and Susan’s heart.

      • Jim Bean

        Think of it in terms of abortion. The law does not require the employer to offer a plan that covers abortion because providing the means for someone to get an abortion constitutes ‘aiding and abetting’ the abortion process in the minds of some who have religious objections to it – said objections being based on belief, not science.

        Liberals don’t respect that but knew they’d never win that fight so they didn’t take it on.

        The HL decision is simply an extension of that line of reasoning.

        And while its true that all the money gets mixed up and money from some of those who declined to offer it goes to paying for abortions, those who didn’t offer it have a clear conscience in that they did everything in their power to avoid facilitating it.

      • Cemetery Girl

        The HL ruling facilitates employer input on choices of women’s healthcare. It covers medical items/services that only affect

      • Jim Bean

        “It is logical that eventually some employer will demand that they can’t condone the ending of a pregnancy (even though it is impossible to carry the pregnancy to term) and if women want to have the life saving operation they need to find it themselves.”

        IMO that is not logical. The number of anti-abortionists that would sacrifice the mother for the sake of their radical principles is extremely small.

        The bulk of the meaningful/influential opposition is coming from people who don’t want to pay for costly abortions in order to facilitate irresponsible sexual activity.

      • Cemetery Girl

        A business, be it HL or some other, is not “buying” the medical service which an employee used. The business, as additional compensation for labor, offers health insurance, which typically the employee pays at least some portion of the premium. (So in the vary least, an employee would also be typically “buying the medical services, not even including any deductible or co-pay.) All premiums go to the insurance company, where the money contributes towards payments of all the medical services. Money paid for coverage of employees of company Y can go to pay for the surgery of an employee at company Z. The insurance company does not isolate funds per group. If HL has their plan with a company that covers items or services which they find objectable (which their insurer does) then by the logic of any money they contribute in premiums “buys” them for employees, it is then “buying” them for anyone that has coverage through that insurance company.

      • Jim Bean

        You won’t let go of the claim that Hobby Lobby is forcing its employees to endorse its religion so I have no choice but to let go of you.

      • GreyLadyBast

        That’s just might have something to do with the fact that it IS forcing its “religious beliefs” on its employees. It went all the way to the Supreme Court specifically for the right to do so, and sadly won. But by all means, “let go of me.” You never had me in the first place.

      • Jim Bean

        Show me where being Catholic is a condition of employment for working at HL. Otherwise, give it up, for everyone’s sake.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Again, moving the goalposts. Also, Hobby Lobby is evangelical, not Catholic. BIG difference. Furthermore, Hobby Lobby is withholding proper compensation from their employees because of their so-called religious beliefs. That alone is forcing its beliefs on its employees. It’s also a form of wage theft. Lastly, I ask again, why are you still beating this dead horse when you already flounced off?

      • Vote for Truth

        Hobby Lobby is NOT withholding proper compensation. There are thousands if not millions of companies that don’t give medical insurance. So that is NOT a right for employees. Besides, Hobby Lobby does give medical insurance with the pill, but having abortion paid for by the company crossed the line. The employee can get those pills, which are cheap, is they want to get an abortion, but it won’t be paid for by HL.

      • GreyLadyBast

        They’re not abortion, and they’re not cheap. If you’re going to lie to my face, there is no point in debating you. Until you can be honest, which I suspect will happen about fifteen minutes after hockey is played in hell, go away.

      • Vote for Truth

        Abortion is what Hobby Lobby said they would not pay for. Abortion can be had every day of the week at Planned Parenthood.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Birth control is not abortion, no matter how many times you lie about it. Deal with it.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        they are not catholic
        ———————————————
        U lose

      • Cemetery Girl

        They are using denying insurance coverage over things that normally would be covered if not for HL demanding if not be, as a means of requiring employees to follow religious beliefs of executives. Things like Mirena (and IUD, which can prevent pregnancy and help some symptoms of reproductive ailments, and not an abortion device) costs hundreds of dollars. Before you argue that if a woman wants such items so badly she can pay for them (which is hundreds of dollars out of pocket), was the poll tax a method of controlling voting? They are different, but at their cores are the same. Both require an individual to be able to pay a certain amount of money to maintain their right. (Right to vote, right to make choices in their medical care.)

      • Jim Bean

        Sorry, but requiring you acquire some material possession on your own in no way translates into forcing you into ‘following the beliefs of executives.’ HL’s position is quite clearly that its not about what the employees do – they can be atheists for all they care – its about what they personally are comfortable doing.

      • Cemetery Girl

        They are no more directly purchasing medical goods and services than they would be if directly buying the alcohol if an employee decided to use their paycheck to buy beer. Birth control is expensive. Mirena is hundreds of dollars (honestly, I do not know the current price, I know it was near $1000) which inhibits employees from purchasing that item without assistance from insurance. Paying a few dollars more than minimum wage (which they have done since before denying certain birth control) doesn’t make up for the potential difference in cost of medical needs. And yes, birth control can be a medical need.

      • Jim Bean

        There was not a profound negative consequence to society when it wasn’t being provided before and there will not be one now.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Not having access to medical goods that have an impact on a woman’s health was of no profound negative consequence to men. Statistically, around 20% of women using birth control are doing so because of medical problems. It can be used to help treat the symptoms of some problems that are a big deal to women. Endometriosis can cause excessive bleeding and pain, as can fibroids and andomyosis. Excessive bleeding can cause anemia, which impacts general health. Pain and bleeding impact quality of life. Andomyosis is considered a risk for uterine cancer (as it is abnormal tissue growth in the muscle tissue of the uterus and this growth occasionally becomes cancerous.) None of these are ailments that a man has to worry about developing. If you would tell a man that a severely enlarged prostate is not a matter worth treating then feel free to tell a woman with a uterus enlarged 3x the normal size because of abnormal growth that it doesn’t matter how it impacts her life.

      • Jim Bean

        When you begin tailoring your requirement for those drugs to those particular conditions you may find better reception.

      • Vote for Truth

        Hobby Lobby does offer birth control pills, just not the abortion medication.

      • Vote for Truth

        HL did not have a problem paying for birth control pills just NOT abortions!

      • Jim Bean

        I would add that harmony in any relationship requires a willingness to give and take. You got a lot. HL got a little.

      • Cemetery Girl

        HL gets labor. They offer certain compensations for labor and hopefully receive reliable, responsible employees without high turn over rates. Ask any manager if reliable employees that will provide good service is a little thing. Managers want employees they can feel confident that will actually show up and preform their duties to a certain standard. Better pay and benefits attracts and keeps them.

      • Jim Bean

        True. But, while they are few and far between, there are those who, for whatever benevolent reason, compensate their employees better than market forces necessitate. The Left loves to hold Costco up as an example of this.

        I suspect HL is also such an employer.

      • Vote for Truth

        I’m sure HL will specify in their HR department to tell potential employees exactly what they pay for and what they don’t, so the potential employee should decide from the get go if they want to work there or not.

      • Vote for Truth

        There are many places to get contraceptive pills free. If they don’t want to buy it themselves, then quit and look for another company that wouldn’t mind PAYING for your abortion. Our dollars should not be paying for abortion anywhere in my opinion!

      • Vote for Truth

        Why can’t those women go to Planned Parenthood, they are free to do that or get another job. Nobody is forcing them to work at HL. As a matter of fact, it has only been in the last 20 years that any company paid for healthcare as a benefit. Get it, BENEFIT, which doesn’t mean compensation, it means an extra incentive to work there. They have all the freedom they want, just leave and work somewhere else that doesn’t care about abortion. Democrats want to control everybody or their not happy!

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        not endorse; but adhere to

      • Vote for Truth

        They didn’t FORCE their religious beliefs on anybody. They chose FOR THEMSELVES that they would not pay for abortion, which is killing a baby. That means that the employee can quit, or pay for an abortion themselves or get it free at Planned Parenthood. Many many companies in America still do not pay for healthcare. Hobby Lobby agreed to give 14 of the 17 things to their employees. Do you remember that the Conservative Democrats asked Obama not to include paying for abortion in the healthcare bill. He agreed and, of course, lied to them because it is paid for in the healthcare bill which it was not supposed to do. You wonder why we don’t like Obama, it’s because lying is as natural to him as speaking. When Huckabee becomes President, he will not lie, and he will be trustworthy, which Obama is definitely NOT!

      • GreyLadyBast

        No born person has the right to hook themselves up to an unwilling person and steal their organs, not even a day-old baby who will die without your liver. Abortion is self-defense against organ theft. And if you seriously thing Huckabee is trustworthy, you need better meds than I think are available in this world. But then again, you’re an unrepentant liar and bigot, so I suppose I should expect better from someone so clearly lacking brains, heart and courage.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        no it is not. Business is NOT personal.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Hobby Lobby, contrary to what the extreme right wing would have you believe, is a company and not a person. As a public entity, they have a duty to serve ALL the public, customers and employees alike, regardless of what they believe. The founder of Hobby Lobby is still free to practice his religion however he wants. What he’s trying to do is force HIS religious beliefs on his employees, which he should NOT be allowed to do.

        And don’t even get me started on the shallowness of their “deeply held religious beliefs” that somehow still allow them to profit off the very medicines they won’t allow their employees access too. Christian hypocrisy at its finest, and this is the example you choose? You truly are disingenuous.

      • Jim Bean

        Bull. He never said ‘you can’t work here if you take this or that type of birth control.’ No what happened was, you guys tried to say, ‘if you want to stay in business, you have to put your religious beliefs aside to make room for our desires.’

        And did you notice how you said ‘As a public entity, THEY have a duty to serve. . .” That proves that, subconsciously at least, you recognize we are talking about people – not things. Otherwise, you would have said, “‘As a public entity, IT HAS a duty to serve. . .”

      • GreyLadyBast

        Wow, you truly do bring disingenousness to an art form. Congratulations on your nitpicking. You caught me in a misstep. Now your life is complete.

        That said, a business is still a thing, not a person, (btw, “they” is plural for “it” as well as “he or she.” Just saying) and IT still has a duty to serve the entire public if they want to stay in business. So yes, IT absolutely should put aside ITS “religious beliefs” (beliefs that still mysteriously somehow allow IT to profit from the very drugs IT refuses ITS employees) in order to stay in business. IT is a company, not a person, no matter how you nitpick at the issue.

      • Jim Bean

        If the ‘business is still a thing’ then so are the employees. Things don’t need birth control. (Or are you bold enough to offer the argument that the owners are things but the employees are people?)

      • GreyLadyBast

        Go. Take. Your. Meds!

        You are making exactly no sense with your false equivalencies and goalpost-moving. A business, such as Hobby Lobby, is a thing, an idea designed to separate business risk from personal assets. The owners and employees are people. Either way, person or business, it has no right to force its religious views (views which I again point out somehow mysteriously allow the business to profit from the very same drugs it objects to so strongly) on its employees or customers. YOU, person, business, small dog on a leash, have no right to force ME to live by YOUR religion’s rules. Not in this country. You want to live in a theocracy? There are plenty to choose from in the Middle East. The labels being different means nothing.

      • Jim Bean

        That’s amusing. The owners/things vs. the employees/people) incited you to accuse ME of moving the goal posts.

      • GreyLadyBast

        You are moving the goalposts. You change your argument every time I reply to you. You don’t address things I have repeatedly pointed out as part of the problem. You change the subject, then change it again when I address your new issue. That’s classic goalpost moving. I ask again, if you’re not right wing, why are you using their tactics and arguments?

      • Vote for Truth

        You already are living by OUR religion’s rules. You do abide by, “Thou shall not kill”, “Thou shall not steal”??? Lots of regular law came from the 10 Commandments.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Most of those rules predate the ten commandments by thousands of years. Furthermore, fully half the ten commandments, the ones dealing with how to worship God, are directly antithetical to the Constitution. Nice try, though.

      • Vote for Truth

        Now YOU decide IF a company can stay in business? A business can serve who they want. Do you think a Muslim business should follow YOUR rules about what they offer…bet not because you know they would just as soon kill you if you go against them!

      • Vote for Truth

        No they do not have a duty to provide healthcare, it’s a benefit only!

      • Nemisis

        Hobby Lobby insists it is a devoted “Christian” company.
        Fine. Then why does it violate Christian values every day?

        Deuteronomy 24:15
        “You shall pay them their wages daily before sunset, because they are poor and their livelihood depends on them; otherwise they might cry to the Lord against you, and you would incur guilt.”

        Leviticus 19:13
        “You are not to oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired man are not to remain with you all night until morning”

        Perhaps you or your friends at HL could tell us which of the bible versus are as direct in statement as the above are about pay, in regards to abortion?

        Fairly simple. I will save you time. You can not because it does not.

      • Jim Bean

        What does any of that matter? And by what stretch of the imagination does any Liberal lay claim to authority to persecute hypocrites?

      • Nemisis

        What does any of that matter? Hmmm…
        Perhaps, if your going to claim your religious rights are being violated. Maybe, you should not be the one violating them.
        Or is this a case of only Christians may violate religious rights of Christians. Well then I put forth that Congress as a whole is made of predominately Christian based faith and has every right to dictate to HL and any other business how Christians should be violated.

      • Vote for Truth

        How about, “Thou shall not kill”. In the Bill of Rights it says, ………preserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Life includes a baby in the womb which we need to preserve.

      • Nemisis

        The commandment is “Thou shall not murder.”

        Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

        Thou shall not kill? That’s what you said. Seems to me that there is a lot of killing going on there.

        Then there is the next passage..

        31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

        So you can rape them.

        HOWEVER: In numbers 5:27 we find…Abortion. Preformed by a priest on women who were or just suspected of infidelity. Because life is so sacred as long as it is in the womb.

        Numbers 5:
        23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial, offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

        Kinda like holding a witch under water for ten minutes. If she lives she’s a witch, if she dies she wasn’t.
        If she weighs as much as a duck…

      • Nemisis

        In regards to your claim ” In the Bill of Rights it says, ………preserve life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”

        That appears nowhere in The Bill Of Rights.
        It does appear in The Declaration Of Independence.
        Well…sort of. the actual text is as follows.

        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
        that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
        that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

        Notice difference. Ah spotted the Creator did you?
        Notice it says “Their Creator” allowing for different views in theology including that of atheists.

      • Vote for Truth

        In the Declaration of Independence, it says we are all have certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. What about the right to Life that you don’t understand? Nobody should be deciding when or if we can kill a baby because it has that same right to life!

      • Nemisis

        Simple, get congress to lower the voting age to that of a fetus. What right does a state or anyone have to tell anyone what they can and can not do with their own body?

        If a fetus can live without the mother then fine.
        Let them do so.

        The problem with anti-abortionists is not that they are pro-life it is that they are anti-choice.
        I propose that the life being carried is the direct responsibility of the woman carrying that life and no-one has the right to say otherwise.

        No matter what their religion claims.

        Christianity right now claims that abortion is a sin. Unless it is preformed by a priest.

        As for the Declaration of independence, “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

        The life it is talking about is not encompassed by the womb. The liberty it is talking about is not the liberty to do as you please and the happiness it is talking about is not the smug happiness of Christians imposing yet another law on all people based on their personal ridiculous assumptions about their own religion.
        What of the unborn life?
        What of the right to life of the woman?
        What about the right to Liberty bereft of religious zealotry.
        What about the pursuit of happiness beyond the shadow of the steeple?
        What part of those rights do you fail to understand? What part of my prior comment did you fail to understand?

        But, since you insisted.

        What part of the first amendment has you so confused that you put your religious assumptions before your own religion?
        What about after it’s born? Where will you be then, in the line of picketers bitching about welfare babies? What about before it’s born, you going to step up and help the woman get prenatal care? Or are you going to shouting at her for getting pregnant all by herself, isn’t that what Mary did? What if this baby being born would kill the mother and the child would die anyway? What if the baby is born addicted to cocaine and is looking at a life of mental and health issues. What if the baby is born with it’s intestines on it’s outside? or it’s heart?
        or born with only half a skull? or an arm where it’s mouth should be. Thought that shit out didn’t you?

        You are aware that the founding fathers had abortion laws specifically not on their minds?

        Now why would they set out to make a document like the constitution and neglect to micromanage everyday life?
        They felt that was something between a woman and her doctor not the whole damn country.
        The earliest laws did not prevent abortion they dictated who could preform an abortion and they said only a licensed physician could do them.

        Know why? Because women were being killed by untrained people.

        Know when it became unpopular? In the 1950’s with a resurgence of Holier Than Thou legislation.
        Know who has the most abortions?

        Hint: 76% are faith based and only 3% of them are not Christian based. So if you want a law that prohibits abortions pass one that makes it illegal for Christians to get an abortion and BAM you have a 72% reduction in abortions. Know what prevents more abortions than any legislation? Access to birth control and in the absence of that men keeping their penises in their pants and away from vaginas. If more Christian marriages had less adultery there would be less abortions. And then the sanctity of marriage would be upheld.

        If More Christian men would kindly stop committing rape and incest…The list of reasons why abortions happen is getting crowded but all of them can come down to one simple thing.

        Parents teach your boys to respect themselves and women and teach them kids are not for sex.

        Do that and the abortion rates drops significantly.

        My stats are based on the results of 30 years of studies by the Guttmacher Institute and have been cited in previous posts and included on many faith based sites that maintain a firm grip on reality.
        (Including Christian sites)

        There is your dose of Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.
        BTW they added “pursuit” to indicate that you have to chase it as in there is no guaranty, or that it may just be a carrot on a stick.

      • Vote for Truth

        Many companies do not pay for any healthcare, so get over it!!!

      • GreyLadyBast

        Whatever. You clearly wouldn’t know truth if it came up and bit you. Have the last word, full of lies and exclamation points.

      • PRIME79

        Some people have a problem with hypocrisy. HL does plenty of business with China, where they force abortions on people. HL also has plenty of money invested in companies that make contraceptives. Seems like HL’s religious/moral position only applies when they have to pay for something, it goes out the window when they profit from the very same thing. This is hypocrisy and BS. And the belief that contraception causes abortions is wrong and extremely ignorant. But that’s the problem with the religious right, reality doesn’t matter, they just make up stuff and no amount of facts or reality can change their minds. I find it sad personally that so many prefer/fear fantasy and magic than reality. You can believe all you want that 2 + 2 = 397 but in the real world it never did, doesn’t and never will.

      • Vote for Truth

        Hobby Lobby does give the pill which are contraceptives. They do business with China, and not paying for the abortions the Chinese get. By paying for abortion drugs it is giving HL’s approval that it is okay. They know it is murder and don’t want to help people kill their babies. They can still go to Planned Parenthood to get an abortion on their own.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        funny how HOBBY LOBBY’s religious ( evangelical ” Christian” faith allows them to buy 92 % of their re-sellable goods from the secular country which has the MOST abortions by FAR
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        funny aint it?

      • Vote for Truth

        As I mentioned above, HL is not paying for the abortions they are getting! Doing business with a company or person who approves abortion for their employees has nothing to do with what HL believes. It is their business if that is what they want to do.

      • Vote for Truth

        So, those peaceful Muslims have every right to cut our throats if we don’t convert to Islam is that right? I’ll bet you and your fellow Democrats would NOT have the guts to tell Muslims what they can and cannot do, right?

      • GreyLadyBast

        I have told your illiterate ass five times now that I am not a Democrat. You, however, are a flat-out liar, like the vast majority of the reactionary right wing. I’m sure if you could get away with shooting any non-Christians, or even the wrong kind of Christians, for daring to disbelieve your particular brand of nonsense, you would. Thankfully, we live in a nation of secular laws and not the theocracy you want, so you can’t just execute whomever you don’t agree with. Now begone, bigot. You’re full of nothing but lies, and you’re boring me.

      • Cemetery Girl

        The free excercise does not include forcing other people to follow your religion. In my town there multiple churches (in a mile radius there are easily 8 different churches) and I have yet to see any of them have the congregation denied entry to their church to prevent them from their religious services. The big complaint that I hear from these persicuted Christians that like to complain that they are not free to practice their religion is always things like “we can’t walk into some public situation and demand that everyone pray with us!” Not requiring prayer in school or not requiring that everyone in a restaurant pray before a meal is not inhibiting the right of those that might wish to do so.

      • Jim Bean

        I agree with everything you said there.

      • Vote for Truth

        I saw on the internet that Obama does not want the military praying together before a meal or having a Bible, yet he MADE them pray during Ramadam! Double standard, right??

      • Vote for Truth

        That’s because Christians never DEMAND that everyone pray with us. Christians don’t care what others do in a restaurant. They just want to say their prayers. Sorry, Obama, in the last six months told the military they could not say a prayer before a meal. BUT, Obama made the military pray bowed down like the Muslims every day during Ramadam! What is that??? It’s a double standard from a man who is a Muslim and wants to make our military do things they shouldn’t be forced to do either!

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        reverse it james; regressives HATE the first part and suckle the second part

    • What if your “Creator” is Thor? Or Zeus? Or Satan? Or etc.? That’s why they wrote it that way. Get it?

      • Jim Bean

        No, I don’t get it. Probably because I am familiar with the origins of these men.

      • So in other words, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I got that.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        they are akin to JEEEESUS— all purported “gods” and deities with no substantiation other than superstition

      • Stephen Barlow

        TY! I forgot Thor Zeus and Beelzebub.

        Beetleguese, Beetleguese, Beetleguese!!!

    • GreyLadyBast

      NOT in the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence has exactly nothing to do with our form of government, our laws, or our societal expectations. While it’s an important historical document, at heart it’s essentially a break-up letter with the English crown, and not a basis for American government. The Constitution, on the other hand, which IS our basis of government, has exactly NO mention of God, Creators, or any other mystical/mythological/spiritual deity. None. Nada. What it DOES say, right there in the very first amendment of our Bill of Rights, is that NO LAW shall be created respecting an establishment of religion. It’s illegal, right from the beginning, to create laws based on “godly” principles. Ours is a secular nation of laws by design, not a theocracy, no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise. Nice try, though.

      Besides, even the Declaration of Independence makes no mention of WHICH Creator it’s referring to. For all you know, it could be all about Shiva.

      • Jim Bean

        That’s like saying the Magna Carta and the Amendments to the Constitution have no relationship to it. But if it works for you, you’re clearly impervious to reason, so, by all means, run with that.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Now you’re just being disingenuous. I never said the Declaration had no relevance as a document, but that it has no bearing on our system of governance. Which it doesn’t. And you still don’t address the fact that no mention of exactly WHICH “Creator” is mentioned. My money is on Ra. 😉

        The Magna Carta mentions God, yes, but the Amendments specifically go out of their way to disallow God/Creators/any establishment of religion as a basis for our laws right there in the very first amendment. It’s literally the FIRST thing the founders included in the Amendments, no religion in our laws. It’s priority one, tops, the most important thing to base American rights on. The Amendments trump the Magna Carta any day.

        If you want to live in a theocracy so very badly, and not a free, secular nation of laws, I politely suggest you move to Iran and set about changing all the labels. There is no difference between their theocracy and yours, except the names and preferred methods of execution (guns vs. beheading). The end goals are identical, and absolutely antithetical to American-style freedom.

      • Jim Bean

        Then I misunderstood you. As for which God, the founding fathers were from England where it was the god associated with Christianity that was nearly universally acknowledge as ‘the’ god.

        Is it remotely possible that founding fathers were thinking of a different god? Yes. Is it probable or reasonable to conclude that was the case? No.

      • Cemetery Girl

        If, having been English subjects, they believed in a religion being universal to the country, as England had an official religion, then why not explicitly state that X religion shall be the official religion and the basis of community and government? Why specify that the government shall not establish a religion if their true desire was to have a certain religion be followed by the people and be the basis of laws and behavior?

      • Jim Bean

        They did not want the government controlled by people using their influence in the religious community to dictate government policy.

        Conversely, they also did not want people using their influence in government community to force people to reject any of their religious principles. That’s why the Left’s assault on Hobby Lobby failed.

        Its a great plan as long as both concepts are respected equally.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Religion being able to dictate policy is failing if religious view are dictating what actions others can take. There are Christians that support availability of birth control, the ability to have an abortion, recognizing same sex marriages… Even if you try to insist that Christianity is the absolute basis and director of behavior in this country you still have the question of WHAT denomination??? Christianity does not universally agree. Do we base everything off of Catholic, Lutheran, Amish??? There are conflicting stances, which is why even some Christians want separation of church and state.

      • Stephen Barlow

        98% of Catholic women support it. Because even THEY know it’s possible to have too many Catholics.

      • Cemetery Girl

        At times I sort of agree with you, and I’m not sure how I feel about that.

        Women understand the health risks of pregnancy (because despite our technology there is still a small measure of risk.) We understand that complications (like gestational diabetes) can cause life long affects (it increases your chances of developing Type 2 and occasionally a woman will remain diabetic for life, amoung other things.) We understand that if the father chooses to abandon the family the wife must find a way to provide (absolutely not a new problem, although more common, but absolutely an issue in the past when a woman could not own land or work outside the home and still be accepted in society.)

      • Stephen Barlow

        There is no joy in a dropped vagina, let Me tell you! The Catholic church expects a hearty, lusty wench such as yourself to have more than a family. they prefer you have a litter, a flock or a herd.

        The mAIN reason the American middle class advanced SO MUCH since WWII is that what was once an unpreverntble 7-11 kids was made a manageable 2-3 kids through birth control pills.

        This allowed the worker drone husband (now the both working parents and 4 jobs) to invest some in stead of spending every penny on rent and food for his brood.

        From that came college for 50% of america’s HS grads and above 50th percentile jobs for them when they would normally have been parents by 20.

        Of course I prefer the natural oral contraception. it’s 100% effective EVERYTIME and it’s so much easier on My back, shoulders and elbows.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Why are you unsure about agreeing with Me. Are you a commitmentphobe?

      • Vote for Truth

        Ever hear of birth control pills. Why can’t the women who don’t want any more children should take those pills and NOT get pregnant rather than killing an innocent baby who has done nothing and didn’t ask the woman to become pregnant. The woman should take some responsibility for her actions (getting pregnant). She can find free pills at Planned Parenthood, so it shouldn’t be a question of buying them. The baby can be put up for adoption…there are plenty of people looking for babies to adopt. Why kill it? If it’s not murder, then why do states charge a driver who kills a pregnant woman with 2 homicides rather than one??

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        would this well worded ( by you james) comment ^^^ above also include the all-2-frequent RIGHTWING assaults upon all NON Christian beliefs?

      • Stephen Barlow

        But Hobby Lobby is doing EXACTLY what you said in your first paragraph (They did not want the government controlled by people using their influence in the religious community to dictate government policy.) said was NOT allowed.

        If what you said is true, the LEFT should have PREVAILED. But a corrupt SCOTUS used it’s Republican Christian Corruption to deny women everywhere the LIBERTY of free will and choice.

      • Vote for Truth

        Hobby Lobby already offered the contraception pill, they did not want to offer either medicine or surgery for abortion because it was against their religion (religious freedom, remember). If the women want an abortion, they can still work at Hobby Lobby, but Hobby Lobby won’t pay for that, but the women can pay for it themselves, or Planned Parenthood, nobody is stopping them and it wouldn’t affect their employment there.

      • Stephen Barlow

        It’s never one man’s religious right to deny 20,000 other people’s right to choose their healthcare.

      • Vote for Truth

        What they said is America cannot establish a religion, but cannot prevent people from having a religion either.

      • Stephen Barlow

        And from that you delude that America is a Christian nation and not any other kind of RELIGIOUS Nation?

        HUMN.

        Do they even let you have a checkbook?

      • Cemetery Girl

        No one is prevented from following a religion. We are free to be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddist, Satanist. Voodoo can be practiced. It also means that no one is required to follow any of that. No one is supposed to be forced to follow the principles of any religion. (Rules against killing those in your community or stealing from them are social norms that transcend Christianity. The Ten Commandments could potentially be construed as opposing rape by the coveting, but on the other hand the story of Sodam and Gehmorrea advocates offering your daughters for rape, so… Our laws are generally based on social norms. Punishment for breaking a law is just one form of reaction to breaking a social norms.)

      • Stephen Barlow

        BRAVO!!!

      • Vote for Truth

        Nobody said they wanted to have a certain religion to be followed by the people, what I said was that almost all the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence (which is still the law of the land, you Democrats don’t get the right to decide which laws we should follow, and which we can ignore), and the Constitution were written by people who were Christians. They had the Christian values in them because that is the religion they followed. So, the statement that our country was founded on Christian principles is a true statement. They saw that England forced their religion on everybody, so they didn’t want that to happen in America, BUT they did want Christians or any religion to be free to practice their faith. So if we want to pray before meals in a restaurant, how does that bother anybody else? If people are bothered, they should leave, because it’s our right to do that!!! You Democrats want the RIGHTS of the gay people to be allowed, but what about the Chrisitan rights being allowed. We have a right to believe about homosexuality what is written in God’s Word and homosexuality should allow us that freedom which is written in the 1st Amendment!!

      • John

        What GreyLadyBast says is correct. I am a Christian but even I can realize that. The United States was not founded as a Christian nation.

      • Jim Bean

        I never said it was. What I said was that the United States was not founded by people immune to the Christian influence they had been exposed to all their lives.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        jim is essentially correct–!!!
        that’s why they– they founders— expressly did NOT mention CHRISTIANITY– or ANY singular religion– as the standard bearer for the USA
        ……….. their EXPOSURE to the long standing insanity OF “Christianity”- and the malfeasance and suffering brought BY that VOODOO( religion) had them making it Certain that we do NOT have a national religion.
        again; would U like some terrific NON religious quotes here from the FOUNDING FATHERS??
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, lemme know

      • Stephen Barlow

        What a Giant leap BACKWARDS when caught being full of FECES!

        To quote you once again:

        “(From the Declaration of Independence, without which, there would be no Constitution.)

        “Creator.” Get it?”

        NO amount of double talk or verbal ‘technicalities will get you off THIS HOOK.

        “As for which God, the founding fathers were from England where it was the god associated with Christianity that was nearly universally acknowledge as ‘the’ god.

        Is it remotely possible that founding fathers were thinking of a different god? Yes. Is it probable or reasonable to conclude that was the case? No.”

        YOU can pretend I took your own words out of context, but not even Vote For Truth believes your drunken ass.

      • Vote for Truth

        Wrong, it was founded as a Christian nation by Christian men who had their faith in mind when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! It has worked for our country for a long time until we get Obama who tries to destroy our Christian faith but defends the Muslim faith. He didn’t want to put American soldiers in Iraq to fight ISIS, but he wants to send 3,000 troops to Africa to help with Ebola — you know where they will catch the disease and die. That’s exactly what Obama wants but he won’t send them to Iraq to beat ISIS because Obama is a Muslim and doesn’t want his people killed!

      • jonjstrine42

        “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
        This is the opening of the Treaty Of Tripoli, submitted to the Senate by then-President John Adams (a founding father of this country) in 1797, passed unanimously, and signed by Adams. Please tell us again how our founding fathers created this country to be a Christian nation? Because they seem to disagree with you.
        Oh, and your tired tripe about President Obama being a Muslim… just stop it. You look even more foolish when you write things like that. (And that’s saying something, considering your normal idiocy.)

      • Vote for Truth

        You will find out probably in the future, that the religion of Islam says in their Koran that they should kill the infidels who are not Muslims. That’s YOU and ME, in case you didn’t know. They will eventually come to America and will start killing Christians and anybody who doesn’t believe like they do. It has already happened in Iraq where they have killed Christian people including children. So your statement that we have no emnity between Muslim countries and the U.S. is wrong! That Treaty should be changed if it says that because Muslims are NOT a religion of peace, but death to those who don’t convert to Islam! Doesn’t sound very peaceful to me, how about you?

      • jonjstrine42

        If you honestly think Muslims are going to come over to the US en masse and start killing Christians, please do everyone a favor. Pull your tin foil hat on a little tighter, double and triple lock all your doors and windows, shut off your phone and just hide in your house for the rest of your existence. You are way too stupid and paranoid to be a part of general society.
        And as for Islam being violent, have you read the Bible? I have. It’s not exactly all sunshine and rainbows.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        you are being a meannnie to “VOTE4TRUTH”
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      • Stephen Barlow

        He defends the Muslims CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to their own faith AGAINST the mindless robots of anti Christ.

      • WC Smith

        You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? The Supreme Court has ruled Creator does not mean God. Read the Treaty of Tripoli and other documents that declare we are NOT a Christian nation.
        I guess truth hurts, doesn’t it, hypocrite?

      • Cemetery Girl

        So, soldiers don’t die in war? No offense, but go to the doorstep of someone that died while serving their country these last 12 years and see how that works out for you….

        There is debate on the religious views of the founding fathers. Part of the problem is they didn’t write about their exact views extensively, so we have to take writings and piece together what views were. It is commonly agreed amoung historians that a decent amount (including Jefferson) were Deitists. They believed in a higher power, but not nessicarily a Christian God. Christianity (in general, if you don’t break it down into Christian dominations) was the prodominate religion.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        u are certifiably hilarious

      • NiceGuy

        Sure, they were British colonies at the time, but The Founding fathers were all born in North America.

      • Jim Bean

        Christianity permeates our society. In god we trust is on our money. We swear on the Bible. The ten commandments adorned our halls of justice.

        The idea that the country was making a huge error for all these centuries until you were born among us to discover and correct it is insane.

      • PRIME79

        In god we trust was not put on our money until the 50’s, just like “under god” in the pledge. These things were done because some religious folks in positions of power at the time wanted to force their religion upon us all.The notion that people 300 years ago knew better about…well…anything than we do today is insane.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

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      • Pipercat

        Ever hear of logic chopping? Ol’e Jimbo engages using a doppelganger effect…

      • Stephen Barlow

        LOGICHOPPING!
        LMAO!

      • Pipercat

        Real fallacy! In grampa’s case, it’s really fallacy chopping!

      • Vote for Truth

        You said it, we didn’t! It doesn’t matter when it was put on our money, that’s what we have today, and until Obama with the Democrats, it wasn’t a problem.

      • Cemetery Girl

        “In God We Trust” and “under God” were added after the introduction if federal money and The Pledge. The Pledge is a bit over 100 years old and “under God” was not added to it until much later. There was a huge disagreement amoung founding fathers regarding federal influence in finance. This disagreement included federal involvement in taxes, banks, ect. The switch to federal currency from state wasn’t until around the Civil War. Counterfeiting was a huge problem, as was the differences in value of currency, especially in paper currency (but also a coin problem.) Early federal currency did not include “In God We Trust”, and honestly some founding fathers would have objected to the idea of federal currency. State currency could vary greatly in every aspect of design. By no means did the founding fathers include references to God in money or The Pledge, nor was there a “huge error” for centuries. Those references haven’t been around for centuries.

      • Jim Bean

        btw, why “cemetery girl” (if its not too personal)?

      • Cemetery Girl

        I have been studying my family history for 15 years (genealogy calls for a fair share of searches through cemeteries) and I contribute to Find-a-grave (online records of actual cemeteries) and volunteer taking pictures of grave sites for the website. I have a fondness for cemeteries. Sometimes I take my kids w me. They’ll run around and pretend to be zombies or ask questions about the stones. I’ve tried to instill in them a respect for the final resting places of others and the knowledge that cemeteries aren’t creepy places.

      • Jim Bean

        Interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

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      • jonjstrine42

        My mother was big into genealogy as well, and I spent many days of my youth running around cemeteries. To this day I will not step on a flush to the ground headstone. It always seemed disrespectful to me.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ever wonder ow many of those graves were actually pissed on?

      • Cemetery Girl

        I consider it disrespectful also. I will go around, wipe clumps of cut grass off of stones. Those represented by the stones probably don’t care, but they probably had loved ones that cared. I don’t know if the person was kind or mean. I know little about them (the cemetery near my house holds 5 generations of my family, in my research I’ve learned about them and some of the people in the community), but they had people that cared. Just because their loved ones are gone now or have moved away doesn’t mean the graves should be treated with disrespect.

      • Stephen Barlow

        They are great places to party and if you are homeless, you can get a safe, peaceful sleep in most of them.

      • Jillz

        I was wondering about your name too and that explanation is just so awesome!! 🙂

      • Stephen Barlow

        Has anyone noticed that the original money had Masonic and Occult symbols on it LONG before ‘god’ was ever part of a coin of a bill?

        Why do we NOT ‘trust in god’ with T Bills, bonds and notes?

      • Vote for Truth

        But they are NOW, so get used to it!

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        (a) in god we trust put on the money when U were a kid james….(b) ten commandments do NOT mention RAPE; but tell U its a MORTAL sin to use ” gods” name in vain ( see: war on women) (c) legally we can ask for any other book and can be sworn in a court of law with NO reading materials.
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      • Stephen Barlow

        Just as a cancer metastasizes throughout the body eventually.

      • Jim Bean

        Christianity if fraught with evils and hypocrites. Nevertheless, it provides more good in the way of volunteer social services worldwide than all other volunteer organizations combined.

        In the final analysis, Christianity is ‘mostly good’ for society. At least three of the four Ebola patients brought to US for treatment were Christian missionaries devoting their live to helping other. None were atheist missionaries.

      • Stephen Barlow

        But it is STILL NOW and NEVER WAS any part of the Constitution.

      • Stephen Barlow

        SO Christians are trying to infect AMERICA with EBOLA!!!!!!!! How humanitarian of them!!!!

      • Vote for Truth

        They were Christian missionaries from America. If you think that’s wrong to come to America with EBOLA, they what do you think about Obama sending 3,000 soldiers in the military to those countries to work with those people who have EBOLA? I guess since Obama could care less about our military, it wouldn’t bother him a bit if the soldiers get that disease. Soldiers don’t have any special training for that, so why did Obama send them?

      • Stephen Barlow

        A little truth would go a long way in your rants.

      • Stephen Barlow

        This is TOO IGNORANT to comment on.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Excellent point.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        “nearly universally”…..I LIKE THAT JIMBO—I REALLY DO!!
        NOTE: the overwhelming populations of INDIA and CHINA would beg to differ en mass; and they far OUTNUMBER us so U lose again

      • Stephen Barlow

        Doesn’t matter what you INFER, nor how twisted and gymnastic a path you force yourself to take to get there.
        OTHER than the PROHIBITION of government established churches AND the mandate of religious freedom FOR ALL…

        NO ‘god’ exists in ANY PART of the US Constitution.

        I don’t care HOW convoluted a series of LIES and deceptions you pretend are real.

      • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

        A lot of our founding fathers were not religious at all and didn’t want any religion determining how our government was to be created and managed.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Exactly! Thank you!

      • Stephen Barlow

        BINGO!!!!

      • TLloyd

        Valiant effort and argument, GreyLady, but in the words of Barry Goldwater…”“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”

      • Stephen Barlow

        Barry was RIGHT, just as Ike was about the bloated military and the WAR for PROFIT model he foresaw. You know, the Bush doctrine!

      • Vote for Truth

        Wrong! Mike Huckabee had a 94% Democratic Legislature when he governed in Arkansas for 10 1/2 yrs. To get anything done, he had to work with the Democrats. BTW, he’s a Christian too, so your statement doesn’t hold water!!!

      • Vote for Truth

        We are not going to live in a theocracy in America Guess what….we do have religious freedom in this country. You didn’t mention that, did you?

      • GreyLadyBast

        No, we aren’t, because people like me won’t let people like you and Huckabee get away with it without a fight. Religious freedom does not mean, “I get to shove my beliefs onto everybody,” no matter how much you’d like it to.

      • Vote for Truth

        Religious freedom means WE can follow our religion and the government shouldn’t stop it. We should be able to pray in a restaurant before our meal, military should be able to pray or read their Bible if they want. But, no Obama wouldn’t allow that, but he FORCED the military to pray on the floor like the Muslims during Ramadam! That was wrong, they should have the freedom of religion to practice THEIR faith when and how they want. Nobody said anything about shoving our religion on anybody, that’s in your mind. Huckabee didn’t force his religion on the people of Arkansas when he was Governor, and won’t force his religion on people in America when he becomes President in 2016!

      • GreyLadyBast

        It also means you can’t shove your religion down everyone’s throat, or disregard laws because you’ve been told you can’t shove your religion down everyone’s throat. Huckabee absolutely WILL try to turn this country into Christian-based “Sharia-by-another-name” law if nitwits like you are anti-American enough to vote him in. Which, thankfully, I doubt will happen, because enough people who actually value freedom for others, not just themselves, will vote against your Sharia law. If you want to live in a theocracy, there are plenty to choose from in the Middle East. Please go there and set about changing all the labels, as that is the only difference between your theocracy and theirs.

      • Stephen Barlow

        This guy LIVES on disingenuousness. If he EVER had to tell the truth, he’d have to ADMIT that without it, he’d be a Democrat because he couldn’t STAND the rampant dishonesty of Republican policy and action.

      • marecek21

        Well, the Magna Carta is an English document from the 13th Century, so it’s true, it has nothing at all to do with our Constitution. On the other hand, the Amendments to the Constitution do have a relationship to it, and I doubt anyone has denied that. Perhaps you should quit while you’re ahead and stop making a fool of yourself by putting your ignorance into full display.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        he remains a pretty good fellow( jim b) but is stultified in his acceptance that this nation IS progressing

      • Stephen Barlow

        The Magna Carta is related to the Constitution HOW?

      • Vote for Truth

        I find it very interesting that Democrats would be discussing the Constitution as our basis of government when YOUR President, Obama, decides IF he wants to follow the Constitution or not all the time. Even the Supreme Court told Obama that he overreached 13 times. That’s just for the few thing Obama has done that the Supreme Court was brought into the ruling! Obama doesn’t care about the Constitution, he thinks he is god and can do whatever he wants, legal or not! He STINKS as a President and will probably go down as the worst President ever! Even Michael Moore said Obama will be remembered as the first Black President, but nothing more. That’s a Democrat people who has finally seen through Obama’s lack of Presidential duties. He is gone to golf or taking a vacation even when our fellow Americans are being killed by ISIS. Such compassion, give a speech and go play golf! Boy that’s the kind of President I want! NOT!

      • poppaDavid

        If you happen to live elsewhere, say so, otherwise Obama is your President too. You got a problem with golf? He has played less than all recent presidents. You got a problem with vacation, same thing. You don’t like his Executive Orders? Less again. You like the Constitution? Then start pushing for “promote the general welfare” as strong as “provide for the common defense”. And remember that our founding fathers opposed foreign wars, standing armies and international alliances. They also felt that Congress should raise taxes to pay for debts, not cut taxes to increase the debt.

      • Vote for Truth

        The difference is that you Democrats have never seen something that they won’t spend money on – it doesn’t matter if we have the money or not, just print. Someday we will all pay for that printed money with inflation – your children and grandchildren and mine will pay that debt, but Obama doesn’t care, just spend, spend, spend. Who cares if our debt has doubled under him because Obama wants to destroy our country and that’s obvious with everything he has done in our country. You think those illegal children and adults who were let into our country will not cause an economic problem? Who do you think will feed them, clothe them and give them free? healthcare, school education? Nothing is free, the American people will all be paying for people who have broke our laws to cross the border illegally.

      • WC Smith

        And Republicans spend money on tax breaks for the wealthy. How do explain the budget SURPLUS we had when Clinton left office and a DEFICITwhen Bush left? Gee, I guess God did that.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        there U go again,,,,,,,,,,,,,, annoying a regressive with facts

      • poppaDavid

        What does your side have to offer?

        Bobby Jindal and the conservatives in Louisiana have been practicing your economic principles since 2008. They are deeper in debt with nothing to show for it.

        Sam Brownback and the conservatives Kansas have been practicing your principles and they have half the growth of their neighbors, $300 million budget shortfall and down graded bond ratings.

        Scott Walker and the conservatives of Wisconsin have followed your program since 2010 and managed to stall their recovery with the public worker layoffs. And they have half the job growth in the private sector that they announced as the minimum their program would deliver.

        Your program has been tested and failed in Wisconsin, Kansas, Louisiana, etc.

        Talking about spending? You don’t really know who spends. Reagan’s annual government spending grew 2.5%+, G.W.Bush 2.5%+, Nixon 2.5%+. Compared to Obama less than 1.5% and Clinton less than 1%.

        There is a benefit to that spending, Reagan had greater job growth than Obama. That was because he doubled federal spending and federal workers start to finish, while Obama has done half that.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        shall we look at deficits and spending VISAVIS republicans and democrat presidents over the past 50 yrs??

      • Cemetery Girl

        Which president took the view that possible action is not dictated by what is specified by the Constitution but instead action can be taken unless specifically not allowed by the Constitution? (Hint: a Republican.) True, his stances would not be popular with Republicans today (heck, some in his own party thought he went too far.)

      • Cemetery Girl

        Anyone? Anyone? Bueller… Bueller…

        Theodore Roosevelt. His approach to presidency was the government can do anything as long as the Constitution does not specifically say it cannot. This is why he had the government become involved in mediation for the coal strike. This is why he created the federal conservation that protects national treasures such as the Grand Canyon. People argued that he couldn’t, the government couldn’t, because the Constitution didn’t specifically say it could. He said, if it doesn’t say we can’t then we can.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        Roosevelt?
        FOX “news” calls them both commies

      • GreyLadyBast

        Worse than Bush, who started two wars of profit based on lies? Worse than Nixon, who had to resign to avoid prison? Worse than Grant, widely acknowledged by historians as one of the weakest, most corruption-laden Presidents in history? I don’t think so. Get some perspective. Learn some history to go along with your much-needed science lessons.

        AS for golfing, the President has taken less vacation than any of his predecessors, including Bush, who went golfing immediately after 9/11. He’s most definitely take far less vacation than your beloved do-nothing Republican congress!

      • Peter Williams

        Vote for Truth must only watch Fox News: they’re the only ones who can adequately feed his bigotry and hate.

      • EC. 4th 1998 Bill Clinton PDB.

        Fortunately the document was declassified in 2004. You can download a copy here, or keep reading to

        consider the contents.

        Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US

        Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct

        terrorist attacks in the U.S. Bin Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his

        followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and “bring the fighting to

        America.”

        After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to

        retaliate in Washington, according to xxxxxxxxxxx service.

        An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an xxxxxxxxxx service at the same time that Bin Ladin was

        planning to exploit the operative’s access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.

        We’re starting with a history lesson: bin Ladin is determined to strike in the US, but has been so since

        1997 with no success as of yet.

        The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of Bin Ladin’s first serious attempt to

        implement a terrorist strike in the US. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived

        the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that Bin Ladin lieutenant Abu Zubaydah

        encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was

        planning his own US attack.

        Ressam says Bin Ladin was aware of the Los Angeles operation.

        Although Bin Ladin has not succeeded, his attacks against the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998

        demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Ladin

        associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of

        the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

        Now a little more caution is added. Although they’re pointing out that “bin Ladin has not succeeded”,

        he’s playing a long game, and there’s no guarantee some operation may not be active right now. (Although

        note that given the 5 year lead time they mention on the Embassy attacks, that’s not a suggestion that

        something is imminent.)

        Al-Qa’ida members — including some who are US citizens — have resided in or traveled to the US for years,

        and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qa’ida members

        found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our Embassies in East Africa were US citizens, and a senior EIJ

        member lived in California in the mid-1990s. A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in

        New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.

      • Vote for Truth

        I only watch Mike Huckabee’s show on Fox News either Sat or Sun and even that I don’t always do – like this past weekend, I didn’t get to watch him. I do not like Fox News because they push Establishment candidates for President. They have a Fox poll and don’t even include Mike Huckabee who has been in the top three Republicans in every poll and has won every poll in Iowa, that is 4-6 polls. They don’t treat him fairly so I don’t watch Fox News at all.

      • WC Smith

        Oh look: A Christian hypocrite: I don’t watch Fox News, but I watch Fox news.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        ” its a miracle”

      • Vote for Truth

        Bush stopped golfing after 9-11 because he thought it was not good for the American people who were hurting to see him golfing like he didn’t have a care in the world. Then we have Obama who doesn’t care about what people think because he thinks he is god and can do whatever he wants even if it is against the Constitution!

        Bush went on vacation to Crawford, Texas, his ranch where he had a 2nd White House set up so he could continue the work of President while he was there. Not exactly what I call a vacation, and certainly not the kind of vacation Obama and Michelle have. They have spent over $41 million dollars on just their vacations since he was President.

        Michelle Obama has either 100 or 200 people who are paid to just help her. Laura Bush had 2 people I think. Nobody has EVER had that number of people waiting on the First Lady. Yet we pay for that, don’t we?

      • GreyLadyBast

        You’re STILL replying, nearly a month later?!?!?! Grow up, give it up, go get yourself a life and stop trying to pretend the nasty right-wing isn’t the worst thing to happen to this country since the Civil War. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Why do you only want freedom for yourself but nobody else?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        yes ,,,Obama is worse according to the regressive white trash religious scum
        =======================================
        let me prove why they are correct:
        ************************************************************
        Obama is black
        Obama has a non American sounding name
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        any questions? :))

      • Is Obama telling a lie or Biden making a gaffe news anymore since it happens so often?

      • Sotmone

        Nice derail. This is not a Theocracy and the Court that ruled against the President is stacked with Federalist Society ideologues, thanks to the twice dubiously elected GWB.

      • Stephen Barlow

        A Dear George letter. LMAO!

        Thanks for mentioning her. I forgot her in the list of deities.

      • Vote for Truth

        You forgot the last part of that phrase, No law shall be created respecting an establishment of religion or stop the freedom of religion. That means the Government should not be making laws to stop our freedom of religion. We have every right to follow the Bible, i.e. forcing our ministers to marry gay people, and yes that is already being done in America and the gays want that to happen all the time. They aren’t happy getting married in a church who doesn’t care about gay marriage, NO they want to force their beliefs on Christian ministers who know that it’s a sin and wrong for them to marry them.

      • GreyLadyBast

        Nobody’s trying to tell churches or ministers who they can’t marry except the reactionary right wing who want to forbid pro-marriage-equality ministers their due freedom to marry whom they want and have it be legal. You’re wrong, if you had a working brain, you’d know your wrong, now drop it. Grow up and get a life, and stop beating weeks-dead horses. Jesus. I am out of patience with bigots like you today.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        gays being allowed to marry ruins the sanctity of the often ” married and divorced” religious trash behavior. ( and the monies generated)
        =========================================

      • regressive teaparty trash

        correct-U have every right to follow whatever voodoo U like
        ===========================================
        once U place that “belief” garbage in public and –from a position of media and political advantage– attempt to force it upon we who dont buy superstition,,,,,,,,,
        U Officially are not patriotic americans; U become slimeballs who should be castigated everyday

    • Jillz

      “Creator”. Not “God” but a “Creator”. As Theists, the founding Fathers did not intend for the USA to be a Christian nation. The free from religion part of the Constitution guarantees religious freedom for ALL – including the freedom NOT to have the religious beliefs of others shoved down one’s throat disguised as a law. That’s the part the Christian right doesn’t seem to get.

      • Vote for Truth

        Then Christian ministers should not have to marry gay people because it is against their religion. But you know what, these gay people deliberately choose ministers who don’t agree with them so they are forced to do that. What happened to our Christian rights?? Remember, shall not have the Government to prevent us having our religion.

      • Jillz

        Oh please – where are Christian Ministers being forced to marry gay couples against their will? A minister can refuse to marry a straight couple if they want, but you’re trying to claim that they can’t refuse to marry a gay couple? I’ll believe that when I see it.

        No one is trying to remove the rights of Christians. The problem is that the Christian right is trying to shove THEIR beliefs down the throats of others in the form of laws that are established based on religion – directly against what is clearly stated in the Constitution. It is the right wing that is disrespecting the rights of others, and then crying like babies that THEIR rights are being trampled on when others don’t let them get away with their bigotry and discrimination, all in the name of Christianity.

    • Steve_Schmeve

      Creator is whatever you may believe it to be but neither you nor Huckabee have the right, in this country, to define it for me.

      • Jim Bean

        I agree.

      • Vote for Truth

        Huckabee doesn’t want to decide who your Creator is and never did do that. You just make up things about Huckabee and Christians, don’t you. Shame on you, we are not the controlling people here, it’s the Democrats who want to force us to stop praying where THEY don’t want us to do, and stop having “In God we Trust” because THEY don’t like it. Get over your controlling Democrats, because we don’t care what you do, but stop trying to interfere with our rights to be Christians if we want!

    • giankeys loves shemale porn

      yes we do james,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      CREATOR is NOT JEEEEEESUS. CREATOR is that which created. the CREATOR(s) cannot be defined my a simple creature such as Man.
      also– would U like me to ( here) quote the various ‘founding fathers’ WHO MADE IT QUITE CLEAR– in a myriad of lucid easy2understand quotes– that Christianity is NOT the USA’s religion?
      ==================================================
      I would be happy to,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lemme know

    • Stephen Barlow

      YOu mean ALLAH? Yahweh? The guy Mork talked to From Ork?

      • Vote for Truth

        Are there not more Christians in America than any other religion? That’s what makes it a Christian country. Obama said we are not a Christian country, but just recently said that we are a Muslim country. Isn’t that ridiculous??

      • Stephen Barlow

        No he didn’t

      • Stephen Barlow

        Constitutionally, we are a religiously NEUTRAL nation. Your logic Demands that America be classified as A WHITE COUNTRY, A FEMALE COUNTRY, A NATION OF DEMOCRATS and A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE (because the majority of GDP is corporate revenue).

        How will you define America when 55% come out as gay or bisexual?

        LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Peter Williams

      Creator means God. Just ask Fuckabee.

    • Sotmone

      Is that the Haida Creator? The Aztec creator? Creator is about as non-specific as it gets. If they had wanted Christian references they would be there and if they wanted a Christian Republic they would have founded one. They didn’t. All those who have a religion and all those who do not, are equally valuable as Citizens.

      • Jim Bean

        Creator is about as god-specific as you can get. Freedom of religion is about non-Christian specific as you can get.

      • Vote for Truth

        Agree that everybody is equally valuable as citizens. You are the only people who are trying to change Christians, we don’t care what you believe as long as YOU don’t force that on us either.

      • Sotmone

        Believe what you like. Let others do so too. So quit messing with birth control and a woman’s right to choose, quit discriminating against Lesbians and Gay guys who just want to marry the person they love. Quit inserting religious references into national affairs (get “In God We Trust” off the money and “”Under God” out of the Pledge) and quit expecting deference for religion. We are not trying to change Christians, we are trying to remove UnConstitutional Christian encroachment in to public life. Equality with others is not persecution, no matter how it may feel to those who have been used to deference.

    • regressive teaparty trash

      CREATOR——-yes!!!!
      jeeeeeeeeesus/ mohammed/ Buddha/ L ron hubbard /satan ETC,,,,,,,,
      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • Gary Menten

      Nope….

      The Declaration of Independence is just that. It says “America is no longer under the British Crown,” nothing more. It says nothing whatsoever of how the country will be governed, what will be legal and what will not, what the division of powers will be.The Constitution, which is the blueprint for all of those things, supersedes the Declaration, which has itself, no force of law. If it had, all the slaves would have been set free in 1776.

      Second, it wasn’t the Declaration of Independence that actually made America independent; it was a military victory in the Revolutionary War. The Declaration itself could have been worded any which way you like but if General Washington had been defeated then it would have been moot.

      Third, the Declaration makes no mention of who the creator is. For all we know, given Jefferson’s deist beliefs and his rejection of revealed religion, he could have been referring simply to the natural and physical laws that govern the universe. Those laws really exist…but it makes very little sense to pray to them.

      • Jim Bean

        The Constitution is not the document that created this nation. That’s all this discussion is about.

      • Gary Menten

        I’m afraid it’s the document that DEFINES the country, so your point, be it right or wrong is irrelevant. The Constitution is the highest law of the land and it supersedes all other documents.

      • Jim Bean

        The only thing relevant is the point I made. July 4, 1776 (date of Declaration of Independence) is the date this nation was born. That is the date we celebrate. Constitution came 11 years later.

      • Gary Menten

        Which is irrelevant to the discussion; nobody is disputing when the country was born. What is being disputed here is whether the United States was founded on the Christian religion (it wasn’t) and whether people have to live with laws that offend their religious beliefs (they do as long as those laws are constitutional) and that’s that.

  • Jim Bean

    And another thing. If you Liberals want to keep religion out of government, fine. But then stop pointing to that ‘love thy neighbor’ thing while trying to get people to share what they’ve earned with others.

    • Jim Valley

      So wanting church and state to be separate (a fundamental principle of our system of government) means that we cannot follow or encourage Christian values? Why? What is inherently “Christian” about merging church and state? They do this in Iran and Saudi Arabia, which are not known as Christian countries. We don’t do it here, which is one of the main sources of our greatness.

      • Jim Bean

        The problem enters when we attempt to use government to force us to follow or reject Christian values.

      • John

        Many Christian values are held by Christians and non Christians alike.

      • Jim Bean

        True. But Christian values are the source. Muslim values are different because of the influence of Islam.

      • Nemisis

        Read the Torah and the Koran before you start pooping out comments like that. Christianity did not invent compassion.

      • Exactly. Hell, there is video evidence of animals in the wild showing compassion for other animals. I doubt they are religious.

      • Vote for Truth

        But the Christians aren’t allowed to pray, note my comment above about the military can’t pray before meals or have a Bible. That’s breaking THEIR religious freedom!

    • bill

      I believe that the Bible say to obey the laws of the land!

    • You don’t need religion to show compassion for another fellow human being.

    • Cemetery Girl

      Let me recommend a class in sociology. It really is an interesting subject.

      First of all, having certain expectation of how people should be treated and interact is not religious based. Religion can be used as one of the incentives (such as, follow norms or the deity in question shall smite you), but social norms are going to develop in any group of people.

      Liberals, more accurately progressives, want to improve the lives of people to improve the society. Theodore Roosevelt was outspoken about create a level playing field, yet he was Republican (although his social ideals exceeded the views of his party then and now he would have been driven out of politics.) Ben Franklin, prolifient inventor, was vocal about his belief that parents were wrong because it kept technology that could improve lives out of the hands that needed it most. He had disdain for limiting the freedom of new ideas that could improve lives for the purpose of making the higher profit.

      • Jim Bean

        Here we disagree. I think it is survival based and religion-refined and distributed.

        Put four culturally un-indoctrinated three year olds in a sand-box and throw in two shinny toys. You’ll get treated a display of unrefined human nature.

      • Cemetery Girl

        They will display uninhibited human nature at its most basic levels. Children that young are still developing emotionally and mentally. Their sense of reasoning is still immature. Social norms are not an immediate thing though. They are slow to form. Take a group of children and isolate them with no influence and eventually they will develop their own norms. As they grow, a realization that functioning as a community improves their individual likelihood of survival, and norms will reflect the need for solidarity.

      • Jim Bean

        That’s what I said. Said norms (for western culture) were eventually standardized by the Ten Commandments and the Bible. As time went on, said norms where further elucidated by the Constitution in our country, and other texts in others.

        Point being, religion is not separate from, nor is it the source of, our ‘norms.’ It is, in fact, a record OF them.

        Where uninfluenced by something to the contrary, human sacrifice and cannibalism where also established as norms, at times.

      • Cemetery Girl

        The Ten Commandments did not create the norms such as not killing others from your community. Stealing from the community was not acceptable in communities before the introduction of Christianity. Human sacrifice (where practiced) is a bit different because when members of the community were selected it was considered (by the community, not necessarily the individual) to be an honor. Sacrifices called for the better selections to properly appease the gods. The Old Testament says that the sacrifice of livestock calls for the best animals, the inferior or lame would be an affront to God. Cultures half a world away, unaware of the existence of each other, yet still formulate some of the same views.

      • Jim Bean

        I said that. I said the Ten Commandments are a record and endorsement of the norms. It matters not in which culture you begin the trail. A god of some sort is nearly always at the end (beginning) of it.

    • Nemisis

      Go tithe, sheep.

  • Jim Valley

    Huckabee is arguing for a theocracy along the lines of Iran or Saudi Arabia. Given that his attitude toward gays and women exactly mirrors that found in those places, this is hardly surprising.

    As the differences between our own “Christian” fundamentalists and the “Muslim” fundamentalists we are fighting in the Middle East continues to blur, it becomes difficult to know who the enemies of America really are.

    • Vote for Truth

      Huckabee is NOT arguing for a theocracy. The enemies of America are the Muslims. America was founded on Christian principles ever since the Constitution was written, and that hasn’t been a problem until some Democrats want to have the Christians silenced in America. What happened to freedom of religion or freedom of speech. Oh that’s right, Obama, ignores all of that! Obama agreed to follow our laws and Constitution, but Obama ignores that which is an impeachable offense.

      • Jim Valley

        “The enemies of America are the Muslims.”

        This is the mentality that led to the Crusades. Except THOSE Muslims didn’t have nukes.

      • Lesley Dyer

        No..the Muslims, like all people, cannot be painted with one broad brush. Lived in Turkey for 3 years…can’t say I ever felt more accepted and safe. Putting them all in one basket is like saying all Christians are members of the KKK, or say Westboro Church, followed Jim Jones, or Koresh, or the cult that killed themselves over a comet. Seriously, we all have our zealots and crazies.

      • Thebob

        When were you there, cause now that the hardline Muslims are running Turkey, they are prosecuting Christians and Christians there must practice in hiding. I know this for a fact, My wife has a friend there now on a mission trip, they can’t be found out or they would be arrested and probably tortured.

      • COMALite J

        I distinguish between Christians like Jimmy Carter, and Christianists (as in “Islamists”) like Huckabee, Reagan, both Bushes, Gingrich, Santorum, Bachmann, and so many others.

      • Southern Christian Democrat

        If the US was founded on Christian principles then why is there no mention of “Christian Principles” or “Christianity” in the Constitution? The answer: IT WAS NOT BASED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES! It was based on FREEDOM OF CHOICE with regard to RELIGION! That means that the GOVERNMENT CANT LEGISLATE MORALITY BASED ON RELIGIOUS BELIEFS! As a Christian, I am offended by your statement that President Obama is trying to silence ANY religious group! You’re just angry that he doesn’t kiss your butt and let Rethuglicans FORCE Christianity on those who choose to believe differently than you. Christ taught love, not the hate people of your ilk spew.

      • Thebob

        LMAO “Christ taught love, not the hate people of your ilk spew.” That is all I have read form your mouth…Souther Dem huh…don’t exist anymore. The democrat party of your father isn’t the same one we have nor is the Republican party the same as 100 years ago. Republicans now are more like your old southern blue dog dems middle roader’s, Most dems now are hardline Left wing libtards. All the centrists have or are being run out of office. It’s either Right wing nut jobs or left wing libtards. I agree that our nation was founded on the principle of freedom of choice. That is correct. If you really want to get down to it, it was the Southern Dems as you call em, that added “In God We Trust” to our currency. Originally it was always E Pluribus Unum Out of Many, One. I will say that most of our founders were believers. But I will say I also do agree with @vote_for_truth:disqus, Christian speech is being suppressed mainly by your party…Hmm true Southern Dem. If you call yourself a Christian and can’t see that then you my brother/sister have blinders on. Fall in line Sheeple, follow the heard to the edge and wait your chance to jump to your death.

      • Wingsfan81

        “What happened to freedom of religion”
        Freedom of religion as long as you’re a Christian, right?
        “or freedom of speech?”
        If you didn’t have freedom of speech, you wouldn’t be able to write this post.

      • Artisan3m

        It was attitudes like those of Southern Christian Democrat that caused the founders to even include the issue of ‘religion’ in the constitution. These “Christian principles” are not unique to the United States. You’ll find versions of them woven in the social tapestry of most Western nations whose origins far preceed the forming of the United States. Our founders knew the fanatical excesses of religious zealots for they had experienced their craft first hand. That is why the topic of religion is broached in the Constitution. Today these zealots attempt to redefine and restate the founders’ intent by clutching the cross and waving the flag while branding all who disagree with them as heathens and heretics.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        hey scummmmmmmbag,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, wanna tell us all how your sh*t book of VOODOO( see: bible) tells us all to kill women who attempt 2 enter marriage as virgins?? or NOT eat shrimp? how about this: where did CAIN get HIS WIFE?
        ….or……………. why does the 10 ‘commandments’ tell us that using gods name in vain is a “MORTAL SIN” but doesn’t mention rape??
        or—-how idiots such as U trytrytry 2 tell all of us how a dead jewish homosexual fisherman( jesus) is “god”???
        help me out here— edify a secular agnostic

      • Thebob

        Old testament vs New…can’t compare the two, as the old only pertains to the Jewish people, that had the protected bloodline of Jesus from Adam. But if you do follow the eating guidlines in the bible you would live a healthy life… Shellfish are the oceans cockroaches..they eat fish poo and dead things….same for pigs…pigs don’t sweat and don’t release their toxins from their meat…they truly are unclean animals, they are scavengers by nature,but God I love my pork, would you eat a vulture??? or a crow?? only if I had too…You really shouldn’t eat any animal that eats other animals, you get all the toxins and diseases they ingest also…Thats why we don’t eat predators like hawks/lions/Wolves….

      • regressive white trash reli

        would that ‘healthy” lifestyle include killing all women who attempt 2 enter marriage as NON virgins?
        or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not wearing blended fabrics?
        or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, making women subservient to men at all times?
        or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ( well; I hope U get my drift)

      • Thebob

        Never said I agreed with everything in the bible but I guess it’s nice to know you show your true feminazi colors. Yep, women should be subservient to men, or subservient to your butch carpet muncher…..Either way there is a head of house hold in every family….I do get your drift, also as I said Old vs New…..I have free will to choose how I live end of story, I guess you don’t know what that is like sheeple….

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^nice to see^^^ your true ^^colors^
        The women I have been with wouldn’t go near you

      • Thebob

        Thank God I am married then…..

      • regressive white trash reli

        we do agree on that……………… and im sooooo certain she is anatomically either micromastial and/or steatopygous

      • Thebob

        Wow now you resort to disrespecting my wife…You are lucky you are just an internet tough guy wanna be…Let me come across you in real life and say that shit to my face you fuking bigot….I’d stomp your progressive ass into the ground and laugh while I do it….Just as usual your mental retardation is coming into play…..

      • regressive white trash reli

        here is my photo,,, from an aug trip to Arizona – holding my 1 yr old pet TEGU
        6’2 1/2 210 with 11% body fat
        ……………im not a tough guy but HIGHLY athletic— Im willing to put some $$$ that U would not enjoy “playing” with me
        =======================================
        too bad about your aesthetically poor wife. water seeks its own level–

      • Thebob

        My friend .40 S&W won’t matter what your size is or anyone else for that matter…

      • regressive white trash reli

        hahahahahahahha,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, head your crybaby ass to prison there —
        hahahahahahahaha,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what a coward!
        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        here is my girlfriend photo,,,,,,,,,,,, and I can give u pics of me and her as proof
        ***********************************************************
        I ONLY do slim pretty large breasted chics…..
        eat ur heart out religious LOSER<<<<

      • Gary Menten

        Congratulations on not getting a single thing correct. You are a model Republican Conservative.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        BINGO

      • Andy_Kreiss

        It’s almost a sure bet/ guarantee on the internets- Any comment following a screen name with the word “Truth” in it is going to be 100% BS.

      • Lesley Dyer

        The Constitution is NOT a Christian document. It was written to separate Church and State. To protect the weak against the mighty, and us all from tyranny. Oh … and most of our founding father’s didn’t hold much stock in religion.

      • Thebob

        NO it wasn’t….Re-Read the Constitution, it never says Separation of Church and State….NOT EVEN CLOSE…It says there shall not be a national religion that is it…..Freedom to practice whatever religion you want…..And yes, almost every founder was a religious man. I would say they all believed in a God….Ben Franklin is touted as an atheist which he wasn’t. He was a theist, believing in a God/Creator, he wasn’t even close to an Agnostic either….But Ben was a ladies man…loved the women.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^^ aren’t ^^^you^^^the ^^^LOSER^^^^ who thereatened me online,,,,,,,then when I put up my photo U threatened me with some piss ant pistol??
        ,,,,,,,cheney-esque bravery——
        real BRAVE eh little fella??? gonna SHOOT me ( in a religious way) because U cannot keep up?
        ,,,,,,,awww—————— “Christian” violence from a crybaby white trash regressive!
        ******************************************************

    • fry

      It’s not that difficult to know who the US’s (most dangerous) enemies are: The Xtian right as exemplified by Huckabee, and the Islamists you deal with in & outside your borders. Of the two, your home grown Xtian extremists are hands down the most dangerous. The Islamists will never take control of the USA; the Xtianists are only one Presidential election away. Want a taste of what it could be like? Read “Christian Nation” by Frederic Rich. Be afraid – very afraid.

      • John Vince

        The Xtian Right is neither :-). Leave it to Mike F*ckabee to be so delusional as to ty to create a country based on the bible. If the extremists want laws based on the bible, then we would have to stop eating shellfish and wearing polyester blends according to the book of Bullshiticus..OOPS! I mean Leviticus hehehe

      • fry

        If it were only one or a few delusional schmucks like Huckerbee then yeh, the whole thing would be hilarious. When you have an entire mainstream political party singing from the same hymnbook, time to be more than a little concerned. Dubya started the Iraq war for religions reasons (“Ah tell ya – Gog & Magog ‘r runnin amok over in them Bible lands an’ we Xtians gotta stop ’em”). Are you OK with a rapture-believin’ Tea-bagger approved President having access to the nuclear launch codes? I’m not, and I’m 10,000 miles away.

      • COMALite J

        Ironically enough, “Magog” is the secret name of George Herbert Walker “Daddy” Bush, President of the USA #41, in the Satanic Skull & Bones Society (his son, George Walker “Baby” Bush, POTUS #43, was also a member but never chose a secret name).

        And now you know why the three stars in the official GOP logo were inverted (becoming like unto inverted pentagrams, an occult Satanic symbol) right around the time when GWB was nominated.

      • fry

        Religion will kill the USA, If the USA does not kill it first. Good Luck, you have my full support.

      • COMALite J

        @disqus_C3sTjzrnDD:disqus used the correct term: “Xtianists.” As in “Islamists. “Christianists” if you want to spell it out (I still find it amusing that Xtianists get so upset at “Xmas” when the “X” is actually the Greek letter Chi [“Χ” when uppercase, “χ” when lowercase] which is pronounced “kh” [much like the “Ch” in “Christ”] and stands for the Greek “Christos” [“Χριστός”],

        You want a real Christian President? We had one already: Jimmy Carter. He was (and still is) even a Protestant and Southern Baptist.

    • jim6661

      Not really. Our enemies are god-worshipers.

      • Thebob

        Glad to know you worship Satan…I just bet you are and awesome person to hang around with….

      • jim6661

        I realize you probably cannot conceive of this but there are people who do not believe or need to believe in any gods or devils. Go and talk to your imaginary friend.

      • Thebob

        Is it possible that they could exist???

      • regressive white trash reli

        I like an concur with his ( jim6661) reply
        =========================================
        note; satan??
        south park

    • Sherri G

      WELCOME TO THE AMERICAN “christian” TALIBAN…….
      These are the fundamental christians trying to create a fundamental theological nation…. Read the website and recognize that the wheels are in motion and have been since the Civil Rights movement of the 1960’s…
      The conservative “christian” fundamentalists commit domestic terrorism because they use fear, lies, and religious propagand to further their agenda of a white dominated, conservative christian, theological nation—->which goes against our current SECULAR ideology and laws. Some of these include (and I’m sure there’s more) …..
      *War on women’s rights to choose and control over their own bodies = SHARIA LAW
      *Voter rights suppression of what they consider “second-class citizens”….ieminorities, pagans (what they consider all other so called religions), LGBT, nonbelievers, poor, homeless, elderly and disabled.
      *Worker rights suppression via low/slave wages , distruction of the middle class, and dismantling of unions to oppress worker rebellion
      *Religious indoctrination of our public school system to get them converted while they are young, removal of true science for creationism, pushing biblical stories into the curriculum and rewriting history to brainwash future generations. 
      *Pushing their religious beliefs and agenda into our SECULAR government, laws, justice system and more….
      *They have a specific agenda and folks like Bush, Coulter, Santorum, Bachmann, Cruz, Paul, Perry, Abbots, Pat Robertson, and soooo many more are a part of this group. Faux, conservative media, and all the far right organizations that push agenda through lobbying, threats of killing re-elections, and lots of money help them as well. 
      http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/culture_war/the_american_taliban.html

  • June Goetz Lynne

    they have gotten so far right I don’t think they can go much further … I have said this a million times and I will say it again “I will trust a far left Democrat sooner than I would ever trust a far right Republican!”

    • Sotmone

      That’s sensible because Far Left Democrats are a bit left of center and Far Right Republicans are Authoritarian Theocrats. There may be a few authoritarian leftists running around somewhere, but they are not significant in the Democratic Party. There are LOADS of authoritarian conservatives in the GOP.

    • MsYellowDog

      The very worst Blue Dog Democrat is still superior to any Rethuglican.

  • PAC

    He is free to leave the country and go somewhere else more aligned with his beliefs. Please!

  • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

    I am sick to death of these people trying to push THEIR beliefs and and made up stories on everyone else when they don’t really have correct information to base it on to begin with. Where did all of this start where everything now has to be tied in to Christianity? It’s NOT the only religion in the country to begin with and none our society (up until recently) made a big deal about what religion someone was connected to. I grew up with all different kinds of people and religion was never our basis for our friendship or for the laws of our city or state. This has gone SO FAR to the radical right that it’s really nauseating to even try to discuss it with anyone.

    • deannawoods

      Not only that, but his version of Christianity doesn’t quite follow with the actual teachings of the Bible. Since Fox is hardly a bastion of Christianity, his version may be something shaped by the non-Christians who are promoting a version they can control?

      • Peter Williams

        You can’t be Christian until you hate Gays, Muslims, Hispanics, Blacks just as Jesus taught in the Bible.

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        the 21st century schizoid man BIBLE

      • Vote for Truth

        Mike Huckabee does not hate anybody.

      • Stephen Barlow

        HE does!! he thinks gay people DESERVE to be treated UNEQUALLY, that they should HAVE UNEQUAL, nay NO RIGHTS!!!

      • Peter Williams

        Remember how he praised Chick Fil A for discriminating against Gays and giving money to Gay hate groups? Oh right: God won’t save you unless you hate the Gays as Jesus taught .

      • Stephen Barlow

        Jesus was most likely gay. THINK about his last words in modern English, ” hey dudes, I’m hangin’ her for YOU man. EAT ME you vampires! EAT ME!!”

      • Eat a dog. Obama did.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I have 2 -3 at EVER Y baseball game!!!

      • No, I’m talking about man’s best friend. Your loyal pet. DOG not hot dog.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Woof!

      • regressive teaparty trash

        if your “best friend” is a DOG,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        …………… ya might be a regressive trash religious no-woman kinda ‘guy”; eh?
        =====================================

        NOTE: I have ( have had since 1979) argentine TEGUs as PETS

        much less maintenance than mammals such as dogs ( cool) and cats (UGGH)

      • Sotmone

        I’m sure you have evidence for this. Was it the dog Romney strapped to the roof of his car?

      • It’s from Obama’s own book “Dreams from my father.” You idiot liberals don’t know anything about your Magic Messiah. You didn’t even read his books. As for Romney, the dog was just fine. It’s just another liberal diversion because Obama is sucking.

      • Sotmone

        I’m guessing he ate it in Indonesia. That happens. As for the Magic Messiah bit, he was just by far the superior of the two options. As far as I’m concerned he should have been way tougher with the obstructionists from the very beginning and shamed them into either getting out of the way or, better, helping the country move forward. He’s a centrist by conviction who leans right on defense. If you think running on the highway with a dog on the roof is okay, take your dogs to a shelter for adoption. If you don’t have dogs don’t get any, you are not fit for canine companionship.

      • It wasn’t against the law and the dog was fine. The dog Obama ate was not.

      • Sotmone

        Travel much? Have dogs?

      • Yeah, your wife is a dog.

      • Sotmone

        Fuck you.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        considering U never get any sex,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that above statement shows ur jealousy

      • SFTU queer. Today is my 33rd anniversary.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        hey loser,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, U have seen my girlfriend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, im will ing to wager BIG money she aesthetically DESTROYS your virago hag—
        care to have some photos again???

      • That whore.

      • independantvoter

        explains a lot about you 🙂

      • regressive teaparty trash

        you have no idea how daft he is,,,,,,,,,,,

      • lindylou

        I really don’t think the dog enjoyed the trip, whether or not he was harmed by it. I bet you would strap a bothersone child to the top of the car.

      • The dog lived a nice long life unlike the dog that Obama ate like a wild animal.

      • Thebob

        Wow, you have no sense at all…Obama is a centrist…LMAO, you have never read his books either of them…He is by far Left-wing liberal marxist, possibly even extreme left-wing, he also hates our Military, but he knows he can’t do anything about it cause of the crap going on in the world…Just like Clinton, he would dismantle our military…I could agree with a big reduction to a defensive force, if we stopped being the world’s police…But the world would be a despot of war if we did, wth who cares; we have tried to give help and aide and all sorts of other means, yet even in those countries the people still won’t stand up for themselves…So be it. I don’t think we should aide any country, let them fend for themselves…We have our own problems.

      • Andy Kinnard

        It’s also meaninglessly trivial; it’s not a reflection of his character (unlike Romney’s heartless cruelty that is widely documented not only in his treatment of the family dog but in his bullying of peers in college).

      • Obama ATE a dog, smoked pot and snorted cocaine. His friends were terrorist Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn and felon Tony Rezko, racist Rev Wright.

      • Andy Kinnard

        Seriously? Please refer to stats on percentage of adults who have tried marijuana. I’ve seen no evidence of the coke allegation. The dog thing was culturally accepted where he was a CHILD at the time.

        There’s plenty of things for which to criticize the President; don’t waste our time with meaningless attacks.

      • Because you’re ignorant and know nothing about Obama. In his own book “Dreams from my father.” Obama brags about eating a dog, studying the Koran, smoking pot and snorting cocaine. A real liberal role model. Even Jimmy Carter is crapping all over Obama. Use Google fool. Same goes with Leon Panetta.

      • Andy Kinnard

        Regardless, none of those things are relevant to anything he’s done as POTUS.

      • Yeah right. Like lying and dithering. Like making threats of game changers and red lines and then being punked out by a 3rd rate dictator. Dope blew this dog eaters mind out.

      • Andy Kinnard

        You’received so deluded it’seems painful. I won’the be responding to any more of your coarse, non-nuanced antiObama shillery.

      • independantvoter

        you must be a liberal hater and that is your right but I and many Americans are tired of trying to be the worlds police. War is not the first option but should be the last.

      • But it’s okay to be the worlds doctor and spend 6 billion US tax dollars dollars in Africa fighting Ebola?

      • regressive white trash reli

        shall we compare that to the 24 BILLION wasted by repubs in the latest GOVT shutdown? or maybe,,,,,,the 1.3 TRILLION( see: TRILLION) wasted upon that GRRRREAT war that GW BUSH and friends screwed America over??
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        PRAISE JEEEEEEEESUS!

      • That’s been disproven many times you asshole. Obama has pissed away 8 trillion dollars with our debt now being over 18 trillion dollars and 20 trillion by the time that mulatto leaves office with us being bankrupt.

      • regressive white trash reli

        what has been disproven????
        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        NOTE: please look up debt increase PCT% of the past 30 yrs ( presidencies) and get back to me on that. Reagan /bush1/ bush 2 are far and away the leaders
        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        cry some more with facts

      • Fuck percentages it’s amounts that count. You can have a president that went fro 1 trillion to 2 trillion and that’s 100% and then you can have Obama who pissed away 8 trillion dollars in less than six years.

        10 trillion to 18 trillion is less than six years and your think 8 trillion isn’t worse than 1 trillion? You’re a god damned moron.

      • Now is 8 trillion more than 5 trillion, you ignorant liberal SOB? Because 8 trillion is what Obama pissed away in less than six years. He makes Bush look like a piker.

      • regressive white trash reli

        wrong answer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, much of the “debt” incurred is (a) INTEREST from such patriots such as Reagan and bush 1 and bush 2 DEBT accumulation (b) stimulus SIGNED BY BUSH ( see: CBO facts) (c)where O where were all of U small dicked LOSER white trash lemmings when bush trashed us and added such HUGE debt??? U were NO–where—NO WHERE,,,,,,,
        now U just cry ” debt”….”Benghazi”…..”Kenya”……
        I love the stupidity of U clowns—
        parroting the FOX “news” talking points.
        shall we review gas prices and unemployment and job creation ??
        MAYBE what OBAMAS sanctions have done to poor ol’ PUTIN????
        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ur crying again

      • lindylou

        Lots of people study the Koran and it’s included in any serious study of comparative religion. That does not make the student a terrorist. Of course, it’s the easy – and low – road to just condemn anything you don’t understand and are too lazy to learn about.

      • All Muslims aren’t terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim. Cut the liberal white guilt crap.

      • independantvoter

        Sorry but terrorists are also Christian and American! The skin heads, the neo nazis the religious nut jobs like jim jones. the most newsworthy are Muslims. The Muslims have their nut cases just as many religions do.

      • Hey jacks ass I never seen a skinhead in any church you damned liberal jackass fool. It was black people who fell for Jim Jones Kool-ade party. You ignorant Muslim terrorist lover.

      • Thank the white guilt liberals and raging animals.

        Tell me where Bill Clinton Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden served? None of them served in the

        military.You lefty liberals have nerve talking about Vietnam since it was you people who lost that

        war for our country. We gave peace a change and South East Asia fell and millions died.

        BUSH

        Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

        Annual

        2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7

        2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0

        2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7

        2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4

        2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9

        2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4

        2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0

        2008 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.1 6.5 6.8 7.3

        OBAMA

        Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

        Annual

        2009 7.8 8.3 8.7 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.8 10.0 9.9 9.9

        2010 9.7 9.8 9.9 9.9 9.6 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.5 9.8 9.4

        2011 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.0 8.8 8.6 8.5

        2012 8.2 8.3 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.8 7.8 7.9

        2013 7.9 7.7 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.2 7.0 6.7

      • regressive teaparty trash

        actually,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, since your dumbass doesn’t remember: NIXON (R) was US president from 1968 to his resignation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and exactly what year did the democrats lose vietnam??? 1976 with carter??? 1994 with Clinton?
        =====================================
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,some current us war involvement highlights: shall I bring up Iraq??
        shall I? PRAISE JEEEEEESUS!

      • You liberals wanted peace so we gave yu peace and we left Vietnam April 1st 1973. We weren’t doing combat missions when Saigon fell April 30th 1975 when Democrat Ted Kennedy and the Democrats cut off all aid to our ally South Vietnam leaving them to die as well as Cambodia and Laos. The dominoes fell and the liberals are at fault.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        1973,,,,,,,,,,,,1975………….
        ahem: which party was in power of PERSIDENCY??? (a) democrat (b) whig (c) republican (d) libertarian (e) its party time
        =======================================
        answer– republicans . you lose again

      • WTF does it matter. The lefties wanted peace so we signed a treaty with North Vietnam in Paris. What is about that you don’t understand you dumb shit? We won the 1968 Tet offensive but lefty Walter Cronkite told the American public we were stuck is a hopeless quagmire. LBJ said, “If we lost Cronkite, we lost the American people.” Don’t you know anything?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        you have not answered my very easy2 answer question
        ======================================
        what president- and which party was he in– lost Vietnam when we ran away from Saigon?
        was it (a) tyler (b) taft (c) Obama (d) harding (e) Nixon (f) Clinton (g) pat paulsen
        =======================================
        audience,,,,,,,,,,,,,, lets all wait 4 the answer!

      • Gerald Ford you commie SOB.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you’ve been reading and brushing up on American history!!
        ********************************************************
        you win a cookie

      • Liberals wanted to give peace a chance the the Communists turned that into a blood bath as the dominoes fell on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia and Ted Kennedy and the rest of the Democrats watched millions get murdered and thrown into communist re-education camps.

      • How’s that hope and change thing going?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        321,000 jobs created LAST MONTH; ( 230,000 expected;) 10th ( see: TENTH) straight month ove OVER 200,000 jobs created per month ( longest string since 1994 ( see: democrat president-again– Clinton) and wages also increased AGAIN
        in 11 months we ( Obama the commie libturd Kenyan) have created 2.65 million jobs— 2013 in 12 months created 2.33 million——————-
        so————– I guess answering your question would be simply:
        “pretttttttttttttttttty F*CKING good”
        =======================================
        and gas prices continue to fall,,,,,,,,,,,,
        PRAISE JEEEEEEEEESUS!!

      • And give Obama credit for what? Doing nothing and letting capitalism correct itself. Just like FDR, Obama made things worse and lengthened the recession.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        of course!
        when a regressive republicans administration does SOMETHING correctly,,,,,,its REPUBLICAN policies
        =================================
        when a democrat administration does something correctly,,,,,,,,,,
        ————– its IN SPITE of his policies
        ***********************************************************
        of course!

      • While you liberal Democrat pussies were burning your draft cards, running off to Canada, getting college deferments and others, (see David Letterman, Jay Leno, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton et al) Some ran off to the Peace Crops with the rest of the cowards. (See Chris Matthews of MSNBC)

      • Look up the Carter Doctrine you dumb liberal SOB.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        it stated USA would use military force in Persian area to protect our interests in that area(1980)
        ====================================
        again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what year did DEMOCRATS lose Vietnam? 1968? 1969? 1970? 1971? 1972? 1973?????

      • The Democrats cut off all aid to South Vietnam our ally and it well April 30th 1975 to the liberal who wanted to give peace a chnace. Laos and Cambodia also fell and it was a massacre thanks to the lefties Democrats. Obama’s buddies Bill Ayers and wife. Jane the commie Fonda.

      • independantvoter

        We left southeast Asia because the will of the American people, which you seem to be for, was against that war.
        58,000 Americans died in Viet Nam for corporations and big business just as they died in Iraq for corporations and big business. Get over it the era of the US being the bully of the world is coming to a close.

      • That’s all liberal BS. The American people were for the war until liberal fools like Walter Cronkite said we weer in a hopeless stalemate after a huge victory in the 1968 Tet offensive. LBJ said if we lost Cronkite we lost the American public. You loser liberals wanted to give peace a chance so Nixon bombed North Vietnam back to the Paris Peace talks and an agreement was signed. Our combat troops left before April 1st 1973 but the ink wasn’t dry before the Commies started the war again.

        Murderer Democrat Ted Kennedy and the Democrat Congress cut off all aid to our ally South Vietnam and it fell April 30th 1975 along with Laos and Cambodia during Gerald Fords presidency. The dominoes fell and the blood bath massacre began because the liberal Democrats let it happen.

      • Look who started the Vietnam war JFK and then LBJ took us all in 1965. Gulf on Tonkin incident my ass.

      • independantvoter

        wrong Viet Nam was started under Eisenhower not Kennedy.

      • What a crock of shit. You can go back to the days of Harry Truman if you want who helped the French fight the Vietnamese and were defeated at Diem Bein Phu . JFK put in more so called advisors and then LBJ really started the war with his Gulf of Tonkin Incident which many doubt even happened with the destroyers Turner Joy and Maddox being attacked by North Vietnamese patrol boats.

      • Look up the Carter Doctrine about the Middle east.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        hey stooopid— read my above post-
        “it stated that the USA would use military force to protect our interests in that (middle east) area–1980”
        ======================================
        you don’t comprehend very well; do ya?

      • Yeah our oil interests in the Middle east. Gee whiz Batman.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I know this- as I stated
        *********************************************************
        wanna tell me how this pertains 2 your erroneous crybaby rants about democrats losing VIETNAM? ( see: republican president )

      • Democrat Ted Kennedy and the Democrat Congress cut off all aid to our ally South Vietnam so yes, the Democrats did lose Vietnam. You left peace nuts wanted to give peace a chance so we did and millions died as the dominoes fell. Thank God President Reagan got around the lefty liberal Democrats in Congress to fight the commie Sandinistas in Central America of they would have fallen also. Mexico would have been next. Commies at our southern border.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        wrong again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, repubs pulled us out of Vietnam– that was the platform N.I.X.O.N. ran on in 1972-so U LOSE “again”!!
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        shall we look at IRAN /CONTRA scandal now? U did stupidly bring it up

      • Thank God we supported the Contras and beat the Communist Sandinistas even though the cowardly commie loving Democrats didn’t want to give them money to defeat the Communists in Central America and they would be in South America and Mexico right now if nothing was done. Great job. Bravo Zulu.

      • See Obama presidency Iraq and Afghanistan lost.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        hey gerbil droppings,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, im not letting U spin away just yet–
        the topic is VIETNAM,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, care to show us all ( again) how F*CKING stoooopid U are?

      • Democrat Congressmen wanted to give peace a chance and the dominoes fell April 30th 1975 and millions were murdered and millions were sent to communist re-education camps. Nice going liberal Democrats. I’m glad LBJ didn’t run but I would have liked to see that azzhole get his liberal Democrat azz beaten.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        “april 30 1975″………………….
        (help me out here—)
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        who was president( and what party was he with) on that accurately presented date?
        *********************************************************
        (,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or: do U wanna talk about IRAN/CONTRA scandal?)

      • How the Democrats in Congress led my murderer Ted Kennedy cut off all aid to the Contras who were fighting the Communist Sandinastas. How Central America would have fallen like South East Asia because the Democrats cut off all aid to our ally South Vietnam and let the North Vietnamese win the war in April 30th 1975 and let millions be murdered and sent to communist re-education camps. The dominoes fell in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia because of the Democrats and so would have Central America, most of South America and possible even Mexico right at our southern border.

      • regressive white trash reli

        again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,which party was in white house when vietman fell?
        ————————————————————–
        ya’ keep 4getting that silly one; eh?

      • LBJ started the Vietnam war with his BS Gulf Tonkin incident and the liberal Democrats in Congress ended the war by cutting off all funding to our South Vietnamese allies who were then slaughtered starting April 30th 1975 with the fall of Saigon.Nixon bombed Hanoi and brought the North Vietnamese peace talks and Ford gave peace a chance which is what the clueless liberals wanted and it turned into a blood bath of epic proportions. Thanks Democrats for the multi million massacre.

      • regressive white trash reli

        u didn’t answer my question
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        uuuuuu lose

      • F*ck you and your question you queer.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^ BRILLIANT!!!^^^^^^^
        ***********************************************************
        now,,,,,, did U know that if U multiply 111,111,111 X 111,111,111 the answer will be—-
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        1234567890987654321 ???
        PRAISE JEEEEEESUS!!

      • Elton John said, “I’ll never quit you.” lol queer

      • regressive white trash reli

        Reginald Dwight–
        ‘madman across the water”

      • Time to change your butt plug.

      • regressive white trash reli

        naaaah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        Ive decided to keep U
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,about your HAIR plugs—

      • My hair is great you cum sucking queer liberal.

      • regressive white trash reli

        you rally get upset with your male “pattern baldness” ,,,eh?

      • Obviously you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

      • regressive white trash reli

        perhaps,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        u have shown that socio-economically YOU don’t have a clue as 2 what YOU r talking about
        ======================================
        PRAISE JEEEEEEEEESUS!!

      • Your momma has more hair on her ass than you have on your head.

      • regressive white trash reli

        BRILLIANT!!! better than lewis black and robin Williams and George carlin all rolled into one!!
        *********************************************************
        BRILLIANT!!!

      • That’s your ignorant liberal Democrat VP Biden that has hair plugs. Why do you have them on your ass? Does your boyfriend like them? faggot

      • regressive white trash reli

        you are crying again
        ==================================
        do U like my avatar photo? it is the true testimony to the PRIOR administrations legacy for america

      • Okay, yes you are gay.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^^^Einstein^^^ & ^^^^Tesla^^^^ & ^^^^Von Goethe all roll into one giant intellect!!!
        =======================================
        lets give him a BIG troll hand!!!

      • Most of your posts have been refuted and you’re a God damned liberal liar. A shit head. Go suck off your Magic Negro Messiah.

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^^Einstein^^^&^^^Tesla^^^&^^^VonGoethe^^^^ all rolled into one spectacular reply!!!

      • How the Democrats in Congress led my murderer Ted Kennedy cut off all aid to the Contras who were fighting the Communist Sandinastas. How Central America would have fallen like South East Asia because the Democrats cut off all aid to our ally South Vietnam and let the North Vietnamese win the war in April 30th 1975 and let millions be murdered and sent to communist re-education camps. The dominoes fell in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia because of the Democrats and so would have Central America, most of South America and possible even Mexico right at our southern border. That give peace a chance by the liberals who ran away to Canada and burned their draft cards and committed terrorist attacks against our own country like Bill Ayers and his wife who are Obama’s best buddies. Yeah, that liberal crap didn’t turn out too well for us and millions in South East Asia.

      • Thebob

        Since, LBJ (D) started the war which JFK didn’t want, hence his assassination. WWNAM ran through 1973 I believe while Nixon was in office yes. But he was the one who ended the Conflict that the Dems. Started. Don’t like Nixon he was tool. But Jimmy Carter was an idiot. Only reason he was elected was because of Nixon screw up at getting caught….All politicians do the same things he did, they just don’t get caught or have a fall guy. Carter then went on to fuddle the Iranian hostage situation and destroyed our economy. Which took another 10 years to correct with Reagan’s policies which carried us through to 2001 .com/housing bubble that Clinton caused.

      • regressive white trash reli

        kinda right,,,,,,,mostly wrong
        ================================== Nixon ESCALATED the war in 1968/69…..then as he saw his popularity ( war) waning he promised to end it as he wanted re-election… dems didn’t end it– Nixon signed off; hence NIXON
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        Reagans policies stared the destruction of America,,,,,,,, im not listing all his poor economic legislations as U wont listen; U are blockheaded
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        housing bubble Clinton caused??? really?? and it took EIGHT(see:8) years of bush to have it raise its head in 2008?????
        really???
        read ‘AMERICAS CONSERVATIVE ROAD TO DESTRUCTION,,,A BRIEF HISTORY” and get back to me after u read that ( which U will not)

      • Thebob

        Troop levels tripled under JFK 61′-62′ by 68′ the Tet Offensive was underway, which is where we lost the war already, we continued for another 5 years to the end in 73′ by the fall of Saigon. Don’t give a crap about your bias Americas Conservative Road to Destruction…Writen by a leftwing opionist and presented to leftwing nutbags also…Sorry, I can’t read something that is based off of a bias opinion already. I do my own research and form my own opionions. I don’t listen to fox news or cnn or msnbc, I really don’t watch them at all any of the main stream media cause they are all bias opinion shows there is no “News” stations anymore there are no true or very little true journalist now, they are all indoctrinated in college which I bet is where you were brain washed also….So I won’t take an suggested reading from someone who already has a bias opinion…And why do you seem to think I am a conservative….I have some conservative values but I am a true Constitutionalist not a Republican not a Democrat. Both parties are destroying this country along with the President who deserves to be impeached…possibly thrown in prison for war crimes and assassinating 2 US citizens with out due process. Most of our congress should be kicked out of office and probably out of those 60% should be arrested and brought up on charges for crimes against our country for treason. Same for Harry Reid and Pelosi and John Beohner and John McCain regardless of him being a veteran he has helped and armed terrorists in Syria. McCain is mostly responsible for the formation of ISIS. And no the Housing bubble was caused from banks giving out shitty loans to people who shouldn’t have got them due to Clinton’s policies forcing the banks to hand out those loans all so he could say that more American under his Admin. were able to get homes they couldn’t afford. Bush had nothing to do with those honey…You truly need to go back and read and study true American History, cause pretty much what you learned in school was one sided bias opinions on what happened. Until you can form your own thoughts and not repeat blubbering idiots you chica will always be an idiot.

      • regressive white trash reli

        some valuable stuff u said!!! ( except for “forcing the banks,,,,,etc”,,,,, do U really think the banks were FORCED????? they LOVED the additional income!!)
        as an American I implore U to read it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, its NOT left wing crap- it has facts backed up with times and places; much of what U said above it inferred and listed in this piece
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        but– if education rubs U the wrong way,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • Thebob

        What income, oh wait that is right, they lost their asses with this hence why we had to bail out the 4 largest INVESTMENT BANKS in the world….So yeah I guess you are right…They knew theses loans would fail, they sold them all off to the bigger banks who then collapsed and were bailed out by their cronies in office.

      • regressive white trash reli

        and all the big billionaires made money and didn’t go to jail—————–
        and the practice happened on BUSHs watch

      • Thebob

        Cause by Clintons policies already stated this. Bush was running a war not monitoring the banks…And I don’t agree with it, one of the biggest ponzy schemes in history…Again you have blinders on and are narrow minded racist now that I see that you hate white people unlike me I hate everyone equally. People are stupid and a majority of our nation are stupid…The government is fucked up either way no one side is right or wrong they are all fucked up and don’t care about you or I and you believe that they do you are more far gone than i thought.

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey kreskin– 2 things: (a) I am white; born in coral gables FL of French/german/English lineage
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        (b) ” running a war” –instead of THIS COUNTRY??? yet more fooder to show how we NEVRER want another regressive rightwing trash religious scumbag in power again…
        ” running a war”

      • Thebob

        Oh and Americans against Tea Party isn’t a bias organization…LMAO you are so dumb and blind…For a SMB owner or whatever it is you said you do. You are pretty stupid. I hope you will like paying your employees $15/hr to flip burger and stack papers or clean toilets….

      • regressive white trash reli

        tea party didn’t hit stage until Obama was in office,,,,,,,,,they are JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY white trash part 2
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        funny how the “smaller govt/less spending” TEA bag PARTY didn’t say a WORD when bush was destroying America….funny: aint it?

      • Thebob

        Racist

      • regressive white trash reli

        naaah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I hate eveyrone equally
        …especially the stupid ones who follow ( see: tea party lemmings)

      • Thebob

        This is exactly true, but for the Democrat party…Pull in more and more people into subservient voters for more and more social programs that do nothing but make more entitled people and more generations of lazy Americans. Interesting read so far 1 flaw found already.

        “The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America” and characterized welfare as a secret plot to attract rural blacks and Puerto Ricans to Eastern cities to vote for Communist causes and “getting a vicious race war started.”

      • regressive white trash reli

        ^^that’s what the john birch founder said,,,,,,,,,,,
        how is that “flawed” if someone was quoted as saying it???
        OHBYTHEWAY– here are some annoying stats:
        74% of all people who eat using foodstamps are either 13 and under or older than 65
        70% of ^^^those^^ people are caucasian
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        2/3 or americans on welfare are white
        nearly all the POOREST ( economically and educationally ) states are republican led.
        oh,,,, and whites are killed 83% of the time by whites ,, (FBI stats 2012)

      • Thebob

        Look at the % of populations..More blacks % wise are disproportionately on food stamps and any other government hand outs. 1000s of blacks kill blacks every year…Crime rates are through the roof in black communities. Ever been to Chiraq…I wouldn’t….All the theories he pro ported are exactly what the progressives use on minority voters. There are more white people than black so yes the total numbers will be white, but you need to look at the % of those stats which is white which is black which is Hispanics…I will say that Hispanics that come here are way better workers and way better people than most of the lazy ass Americans we have why because they know what it’s like to live in a shit whole corrupted government run country….Most also will become conservatives or conservative leaning especially the SMB owners when they realize exactly how much they have to pay the Government of their hard earn money.

      • regressive white trash reli

        you are spinning away from the topic,,,,,,,,,,
        the topic is: white trash regressive religious scum destroying America by keeping EQUALITY away from all americans ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ………….or did U forget that???

      • Thebob

        What is not equal???

      • regressive white trash reli

        over simplifying the above americans is beneath you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you know damn well what I mean
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        oh; and Obama is dumber than a box of rocks? constitutional lawyer nd constitutional professor;; DUMB?

        your credibility as an expostulator in this symposium is falling faster than rush limbaughs advertizers base

      • Thebob

        Um, he NEVER practiced Constitutional Law…end of story and the indoctrination he received from his professors that hated the Constitution…Again you need to do your research before you state untrue “Facts”. He also was never a practicing lawyer, he was and still is only a Community Organizer, not a leader, not a CEO, and he has no respect for the Constitution or the Oath he took to protect it.

      • regressive white trash reli

        facts:
        he graduated from Columbia and Harvard where he was president of ‘Harvard law review’…..taught constitutional law at univ of Chicago law school from 1992 to 2004
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        he joined a 13 attorney law firm ( davis , miner, barnhill and galland) where he was an associate for 3 yrs and then ” of counsel” from 1996 to 2004
        that,,, my friend— is a PRACTICING lawyer
        ======================================== shall we discuss these facts VISAVIS he being “dumber than a box of rocks”…..?
        perhaps the intellectual capacity of michelle Bachmann and rick perry and sarah palin and George W bush can be added for contrast?

      • Thebob

        Name one case he fought in court or assisted on in court for Constitutional Law…don’t think he did and don’t think you can…Not to mention Michele O. lost her license to practice law to avoid prosecution in an ethics case. LATIMES “But the firm also handled routine legal matters and real estate. Obama spent about 70% of his time on voting rights, civil rights and employment, generally as a junior associate. The rest of his time was spent on matters related to real estate transactions, filing incorporation papers and defending clients against minor lawsuits.”

        Not Constitutional Law as he is so specialized in…He didn’t litigate one case in defense for or against the Constitution.

        “In some instances, Illinois state Sen. Obama took action that could have benefited some of his firm’s clients. In 1998, for instance, he used state Senate stationery to urge that state and city officials provide tax subsidies to help a partnership consisting of Davis and Rezko develop low-income housing, the Chicago Sun-Times reported last year.”
        Cronyism at work good ole Illinois Politics..My home state I am so proud…wait IL sucks…

      • Thebob

        Oh, and no Enlighten me, cause I am confused by your jumping around so much as to what Equality you are referring to….???

      • Thebob

        This is bogus, half my comments were not approved I guess. I just love it when I produce facts and this site just deletes my comments…..

      • regressive white trash reli

        actually I am TOTOTOTALLY on your side ( rare; I know) as the site has screwed me so much I wanna destroy my computer; usually when I have dug up facts and spent 25 minutes trying to re-write them in a post
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        my suggestion ( so far it works) is if U are responding to me find another place on the thread and post stuff under an older post by me; then we can continue

      • Thebob

        Same….

      • Thebob

        Was so pissed it removed 3 comments all of them like a book…So hard to go back and repeat when you are in mid thought.

      • regressive white trash reli

        I know———– they pull that crap on me also
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      • Thebob

        You never did answer what inequalities you were talking about. I had a hell of a nice comment also…Damn site.

      • regressive white trash reli

        inequalities??? SERIOUSLY???? inequalities???
        OK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,here are a few:
        forcing women to get NON useful ultrasound procedures when having an abortion
        forcing ( in repub -led states) women to travel hundreds of miles to get abortions; or actually out-of-state
        GAYS not allowed to marry
        forcing(predominantly) minorities to spend a substantial–to the- amount of money to register to vote with MORE IDs (note– vote fraud??? in the past 13 yrs over 1 B..I..L..L..I..O..N.. votes have been cast in all American elections,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        THIRTY-SEVEN (37) verified counts of “voter fraud” have been perpetrated
        ,,,wanna know what PCT% that’s is???
        attempting to NOT allow NON Christian places of worship to be built in areas ZONED for that purpose–
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        lets see……..
        we have—
        (a) women getting screwed
        (b) gays getting screwed
        (c) OTHER VOODOO( religions) getting screwed
        (d) minorities getting screwed
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        please refute now–

      • Thebob

        All of these are none issues for the states or local governments not the federals job…Go talk to your state legislature if you feel that strongly about Gays not being able to get married which they can in most states it’s called a civil union. Unless you want to change the actual definition of Married contact Websters. We need ID to buy alcohol, cigs, pot in some states, um really you need an ID to do just about anything so why is it a bad thing to require an ID to vote, especially in this time of ID theft and such…. What religions getting screwed??? If you say atheist then you are way out of line and completely wrong Atheism isn’t a religion it’s nothing by their own definition. Minorities have way more rights than whites do in this country….Now if you say the government is screwing them by giving them hand outs and not the means to get out of poverty then yeah they are being screwed. I will say most people black or white or yellow or brown screw themselves more than anyone or any government agency does. You just need someone to blame. And 37 counts voter fraud huh, considering there was an article just released that stated in just one state I think it was NC that any where 1%-3% of voters were not legal citizens and therefore not legal to vote, yet they did vote and were counted and of those % of voters they voted 90% for the left….That says something there I will try to find the article for you to read on your own…..”forcing(predominantly) minorities to spend a substantial–to the- amount of money to register” WTF is this, ID’s atleast in my state you can get a State ID for free, why, because you need an ID to do anything in my state…Want to cash your check you need an ID, you get a ticket you need an ID, want to buy just about anything you need ID. Get a bank account you need a fuking ID. So now let me guess banks are racist because they require an ID to open an account, now we can’t have that can we, because black people can’t get an ID to open a bank account….YOu need an ID to get those precious food stamps yo all so love. You need ID to get on disability, you need an ID to get any of the government hand outs….So most of the black people should already have an ID to prove who they are to vote…..Pretty simple really. Since you are trying to post facts, Quote ABCNews “Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud” You were close, but way off at the same time. This is only convictions, I bet this is much much higher, also duel voting in more than one state happens more than you think. And illegals voting more than you think and dead people voting more than you think, wait dead people can’t vote, so how do they vote still???

      • regressive white trash reli

        atheists are as WRONG as are the religious, so that dies here– all religions are wrong . GOD is NOT religion-
        ..keeping gays from marrying is IN equality-period
        ..making women get a useless ultrasound is inequality
        ..making women drive hundreds of miles for an abortion is inequality
        >>>how about making men get their prostrate scraped so they can get Viagra???<<<
        ID for voting? Im totally ok w that; but kinda FUNNY how it wasn't an issue til repubs lost white house; EH?( note– ID for purchasing GUNS–all guns at all times)
        BYTHEWAY–idiot: "indictments" are NOT convictions…………….. not 2 bright2day; eh?
        ,,,,,,,and as I–and you– have no facts to show what%pct% of fraudulent votes are cast VISAVIS republicans/democrats/independents ETC your post is irrelevant
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        ,,,lets see: ABC news VS FBI stats,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hmmmmm– I wonder who is more accurate??
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        "what religions are getting screwed"?? shall we look at white trash regressive Christians crying about muslim/moslem mosques being built " nearby"? shall we look at Satanists not being allowed to have ( stupid; yes) displays in public?
        STATE power is curtailed by US govt when states attempt legislation to screw citizenry; and nearly ALL the time this happens its REEEE-LIGIOUS ( see: Christian scumbags) who are paying corrupt state politicians to attempt such in-equal legislation. Sorry schmuck– states cannot usurp the constitution ( which repub states try all2 often)
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      • Thebob

        Neither can the President or Congress yet they do all the time…Congress hasn’t passed a budget in I don’t know how long….Which is a yearly requirement in the Constitution…ALL laws are suppose to start in the house, they don’t. The President cannot send troops into combat with our Congressional approval, happens all the time, because its a conflict not a war….As I have stated before, as you keep bringing up Repubs like I am a GOP member….You clearly still don’t see my point. And voting ID laws have been on the books for years, it is only recently that the Dems are the ones crying becasue they are being passed by states…not the other way around..AZ, TX, were sued because of their ID laws…Virginia I think has had voter ID laws for years…Same for Indiana I think and several other states. It been Dems getting pissed in Red States that pass ID laws that didn’t have one before…just because they know they are losing their position in those states…Just like Texas, they want to flood it with illegals to become voters so they can try to turn the state blue…which won’t happen, Texas will leave the union before that happens.

      • regressive white trash reli

        FUNNY— how your above farting didn’t touch the TOPIC of IN-equality which I was discussing
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        Hmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, spinning ala Michael Jackson??
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        oh,,,,,and let texas secede- see how they do with their border and no federal aid during all the weather related stuff they endure

      • Thebob

        “NBC Bay Area found several other examples, too. People like Sara Schiffman of San Leandro who died in 2007 yet still voted in 2008, or former Hayward police officer Frank Canela Tapia who has voted 8 times since 2005, though he died in 2001.” Dead people still vote…Awesome job there guys….Another story I found the guys mom voted in 2008 and 2012 when she died in 2006. 2 elections a dead person voted in. These I found are just from the Bay Area of SF. That is just one city. I bet that dead voters make up probably 1-2% which is enough to swing an election when the race is tight same for illegals who vote, 1-3% add those together, Libtards already have a 2-5% lead, with fraud, no-wonder you all don’t want voter ID laws you won’t ever win another close election again.

      • regressive white trash reli

        37 out of 1 BILLION,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that’s VERIFIED by FBI statistics. shall we look at florida 2000?
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        oh,,,,and as I mentioned many “inequalities” above U were a weeee bit dormant in replying to those
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        ergo– white trash regressive religious scum

      • Thebob

        Basically all this comes to this..Create more poverty, GOV. provides everything they need so hence they continue to vote more for them making more and more poor reliant on the government to get buy. Destroy the Middle Class. Insight class war fare, and divide race against each other and create a police state which we have….Read Rules for Radicals – Weather Underground – Cloward and Piven, Saul Alinsky, the modern progressive’s GODS….Regardless who you vote for or what side you are on if you are a True American, then the only thing that should matter is the Constitution….period end of story…This is the end game, I bet we have maybe another 10 years or so before things are going to drastically change and watch the downfall of our country from within. I don’t care who you vote for or what your stances are on Gay marriage or Abortions those are pointless. Our government period is destroying itself from within…Media is dead in this country, Interest Rates are rigged world wide, The Fed is a private organization, run by the world bankers, Congress and the President don’t make policies, the lobbyists do. ACA was written by insurance companies for insurance companies to control who gets what and what gets paid for. If you believe other wise as I have said before you are blind….Out of all the things I have stated, I DO NOT LIKE OUR GOVERNMENT AT ALL NONE OF THEM….Liars, cheats, and thieves that is who is voted into office. Even then a person who would actually change something won’t and couldn’t get elected, they would be run off. I actually believe Obama when he said he would try to change how DC worked…they wouldn’t allow it They is the people who actually run our government from the shadows. Why do you think he play golf all the time or he is on vacations all over the world. He knows he is just a pawn just like everyone else. Reagan went against the fold, they tried to kill him. JFK went against the fold, they did kill him. Ike, warned us or tried to warn us he understood, the last true President we had was Ike, other than JFK. MLK, went against the fold, he was killed also. The Boston bombing was a hoax, the two boys were pawns, the older bother was a CIA asset informant. Building 7 – 9/11 was an inside job. Not the Bush Administration, but entities in our government knew about it or just let it happen. Bush was a pawn just like Clinton, Obama, Bush Sr. Building 7 of WTC wasn’t hit by anything yet, still collapsed from a few office fires….video proof shows NYPD officers telling people to get back they are going to blow it up….9/11 commission proved that Al’qaeda wasn’t involved. The FBI knew about the pilots and their training they received. As I have stated many many times to you…You are a SHEEPLE, just like most of Americans that are blind or just dumb or just don’t care about anything but their little world..Fall inline with the rest of the heard to the edge of the cliff and wait your turn to jump to your death…..

      • regressive white trash reli

        you are really hurting as a person
        ================================
        have a snickers bar

      • Thebob

        He is quoted saying that the Communist plan to use the black people to keep them in their pockets and voting for more and more socialist programs for themselves…..He didn’t use the N word and that statement is very true for the Democrat party….progressives…socialist…communists….marxists……

      • regressive white trash reli

        so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,by NOT using any racial slurs he wasn’t being racist?? Hmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well; how accurate was he in THAT statement??? and– what about whites ( 73% of all welfare/food stamp/ programs ETC are Caucasian)who are rescued/ abusing/ need/ flaunt the saving grace needed by MANY in this country?? do U R..E..A..L..L..Y.. think americans of ANY color want to NOT be contributing to the happiness of THEIR families and the benefitting this country??? small PCT of course( see: tax havens / cash businesses/ GOVT subsidies to HUGE companies and farmers) who abuse the system,,,,,, you regressives paint it as if ALL non whites are ONLY interested in living in GOVT assisted squalor. That’s the talking piece the white trash religious elite want U to buy: as they can divide and conquer.
        oh well….U have your opinion; I have mine.

      • Frank DiCuffolk

        You brag about not reporting your cash income to the IRS. That’s taxes that would go to help the poor, that you illegally pocket. And you complain about conservatives. What a liberal hupocrite.

      • regressive white trash reli

        awww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, lookie!! all of a sudden regressive white trash republican ( rightwing) pseudo-frank is concerned about the americans who are poor!!! PRAISE JEEEESUS!!! wow– the yuletide must be rubbing off on crybaby “frank”….. WOW!! 364 days on inesptitude and apathy for the poor americans; and LO & BEHOLD!! now? hes ” worried” about the poor!!! PRAISE JEEEEEESUS!! miracles do occur!!
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        seasons greetings ” frank”…. im getting you diapers ( in your favorite color- Caucasian white) for CHRIST mas!!

      • Thebob

        Not at all, there are trash in any Race as you paint them with another label. There are a lot of Americans that abuse this….And Yes 73% if that is the number, considering that blacks only make up 13% of the population in this country overwhelming numbers of them are on government assistance…Most of them being in big cities…You still make my point and opinion even more so with your statements…That our Government is broken and corruption reigns supreme….If you can’t see or admit that as I have said you are blind and go ahead and freely worship your Government God….

      • regressive white trash reli

        never will dispute corruption runs rampant on ALL levels of govt: witness Michael Grimm (R) and michelle Bachmann(R) and rick perry(R) with federal probes and indictments
        ,,,,but it seems the broken GOVT didn’t come into the forefront– with tea party regressives –until a black guy with a funny name became president. as was ” spending” never an issue with regressives until then. I feel that this administration is better than the last one–by FAR– thus I want the liberal policies to remain. Be financially conservative; be liberal socially
        the rightwing faction in this country promotes the exact opposite; based upon historical legislative facts– from federal to state levels and beyond

      • Thebob

        “think americans of ANY color want to NOT be contributing to the happiness of THEIR families” Yes, there our thousands who do this or don’t I guess…Just take a look at Chicago, a cesspool of broken families who don’t care how they raise their kids, growing up thinking that shooting other people is the way to solve their problems…The broken family unit is the major reason for this…

      • regressive white trash reli

        duuude,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, why do all of U rightwingers always talk of CHICAGO????? ya’ gotta think MORE for yourself; not just parrot FOX “news” (mis)information
        Atlanta…… Cleveland,,,,, Miami (FL) ,,,,,,, dallas,,,,,,,,,,,Philadelphia,,,,,,,,,,,,,,los angelas,,,,,,,,,,Houston,,,,,,,,,,,new York,,,,,,,,,,boston,,,,,,san Antonio,…..,MEMPHIS (ugh),,,,,,Baltimore ( go orioles),,,,, detroit
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        all of these huge cities have the same crime and socio-economic problems ( see: texas cities) yet you guys ONLY belabor CHICAGO??
        ……………c’mon- U have 2 be smarter than that!!

      • Thebob

        I am from and live in Illinois so I know first hand what Chicago is like and how much a dredge that shit hole of a city is on my State…And not to many cities in the world can boast the murder and crime rate that Chicago has, I don’t even think Detroit can…Chicago is one if not the most dangerous city in the world and is the most dangerous in the US. Deflecting again try try again dude.

      • Thebob

        BTW I am not a Republican or a rightwinger, I do like my guns, my free speech and I want to left alone from my Government to live my life as I see fit. I am a Constitutionalist…Actually if I take a political test it says I am a Democrat but can’t vote for people who believe in murdering unborn babies…

      • Thebob

        Oh, also lacking in moral values that are typically instilled from a close nit family unit. Broken homes, promiscuity, and acceptance of abortion as a means to not being responsible for your actions or even the lack of responsibility of parents who do not truly raise their kids and the lack or blatant disregard for human life. If thugs want to kill each other off so be, but innocent children, adults, elderly are caught in this flagrant disregard for human life…You want to be a thug and kill people fine round them up and ship them over seas to a real war zone. I bet most of them wouldn’t even have to balls to try.

      • regressive white trash reli

        I hope U realize that what U described runs rampant in all cultures; and all “races” partake in this destruction,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, even here at home

      • Thebob

        Yep, I do realize this unlike a good junk of your party only sees what they want to see….Our society, nation, civilization is screwed up majorly and the Government doesn’t care or this is exactly what they want. I tend to see things others do not, because I form my own opinions and don’t listen to mouth pieces from the Government or Media. I think, feel, regardless of an R or D next to who you vote for, the Government is broken and corrupt, if you truly believe the Government has your best interest in mind then I guess I have nothing else to say to you, cause you and everyone who thinks that are blind or deaf or both…They only see what they want to see or hear…Insanity – Trying the same thing over and over expecting different results. That is our Government. I think we could agree as Americans that the way things have been run the last 100 years clearly hasn’t worked. Yes, we had flaws in our society at the start, but I firmly believe our founders had the best interest of all humans not matter what creed or race at heart when they created this nation. The first 150 years or so people had freedom and opportunities which is what created the nation we have today. That vision was lost some 100 year ago, when they realized they couldn’t control the populace, as it was intended be that way, things started to change….I would rather have the freedom of the wild west as it was called then live under this blanket of secrecy and fear that we have now.

      • Thebob

        $71,800,000,000 total cost of food stamps

        46,670,373 Americans on Food Stamps out of a country of 300 Million that is sad…

        and this is JUST the SNAP program doesn’t include all the other food programs they have. Nor does this include hand out healthcare.

      • regressive white trash reli

        so–
        we should just cancel immediately all government help?
        hmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I wonder what would happen to those fed kids and fed seniors and fed disabled people ( including VETS???)

      • Thebob

        Not saying at all, but limiting it yes, a year, 18 months, 2 years; something. I do not think you should be allowed to just sit on your ass and collect benefits if you are perfectly able to work a job or two or three to make ends meet. It is all about personal sacrifice and working hard for your family….This also instills a work ethic in that family….it shows your kids you that you have to work for what you want….Which is what most Americans do…But you might not understand that, so I will forgive you….And Vets earned their benefits unlike the lazy ass Americans who expect their hand outs. Most Vet’s are grateful for what we get and it was well earned for our sacrifices that you didn’t have to make.

      • Thebob

        You know what, My mom would be a perfect example God rest her soul. My mother raised her kids, divorced after 30 years. Ended up with COPD, yes by her own doing, but she was unable to physically work, yet still couldn’t get disability benefits, while there are thousands of people who collect these benefits and are perfectly able to work.

      • regressive white trash reli

        your mom sounds like a fine lady who got messed up by the vicissitudes of life; she seems to have raised a very bright and thoughtful man in you–
        mine is gone as well—
        we both miss our moms!
        =================================
        merry Christmas bob,,,,have a safe and peaceful holiday

      • Thebob

        Wow, real sincerity??? Honestly wouldn’t have expected this from someone like yourself….Now I must be PC so Happy Hanukwanzmas!!!

      • regressive white trash reli

        I fool most people; luckily it seems people such as you are balanced enough to recognize the frivolous nature of posting on internet blogs
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        you would be amazed as2how many cretins on here I continually abuuuuse just using the stupidity THEY show and provide me with !!!
        go (dallas) cowboys!!!

      • Thebob

        Go Cowboys!!!! 42/7 win over Colts…about time the Blue Star is back…

      • Thebob

        More leftwing nutbag speech in the same paragraph…”He had no regard for the black man in America and certainly no sense of social justice or the value of contributing to the system.” That is exactly what our Social programs are, add more and more poor Americans to vote for more and more social programs that fail because almost have of the country in on them and do not contribute back to the system. As of now right now 50% of our government spending is funded by the top 10% of earners. How much do you make? over 100K you are in that top 10% of earners…

      • Thebob

        The Fairness Doctrine, introduced by Republicans at the time, destroyed by Democrat leftwing idiots…and now they are the biggest violators of this Doctrine..CNN MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS hell even PBS are all leftwing opinion “news” stations….LMAO another fail for this article. And he notes this helped form Fox News 20 years later, after all the other news stations had already started to use this new news doctrine…1 station vs all the others Fox News still gets more viewers than all of them combined…Still don’t like Fox, but, this is funny thanks for having me read through this I will continue to post more on how bias and single minded this is. All of this comes from a FB post from some old man’s OPINIONS….and you take it as FACTs….3 so called facts busted… I will keep going.

      • regressive white trash reli

        note: FOX news— in spite of rapidly diminishing audience participation numbers ,,,,,,,, still is MOST watched!!
        NOTE– Mcdonalds is ” most eaten at”
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        that type of ‘nourishment’ doesn’t do a body–or mind—much good
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        I like how U claim U don’t like FOX,,,yet in same paragraph UI STAND UP FOR THEM
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, brilliance in action; eh?

      • Thebob

        Them having way way more viewers than all of the other so call news stations says something about that I think it speaks volumes for itself…I don’t make up the numbers honey.

      • regressive white trash reli

        correct-
        see: MCDONALDS
        “burp”

      • Thebob

        What has McDonald have to do with Fairness Doctrine??? Are you High?

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey busby–
        the correlation between mcdonalds and FOX “news” watchers numerical proclivity…..
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        high? no drugs or alcohol enters THIS body

      • Thebob

        So, you are saying that people only watch Fox News because they don’t have a choice??? proclivity doesn’t fit for this at all. McDonald’s adds substances to their food to get people addicted to it ever seen Super Size Me??? He was physically addicted to McDonald’s food. I still don’t get your point as it makes no sense comparing a fast food place to a news outlet…

      • regressive white trash reli

        the comparison is that more people go 2 these more than anywhere else; yet they both add CRAP which is not healthy and just because MORE people ” attend” doesn’t make it the best or better
        “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
        proclivity= an inclination towards/ thus numerical proclivity means a GREATER number of people go to (a) mcdonalds (b) FOX “news”
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        I didn’t mention or infer “choice” or not having a choice- it does seem however that most who CHOOSE mcdonalds and FOX “news” have made a poor choice given the abundance of better ‘choices’

      • Thebob

        Name a better one? Keeping in mind this is your Opinion…Who in the media doesn’t add their own opinion and just reports the News with out bias…Not sure if was you but someone mentioned Edward R Marrow, and today I do not think any or very few reporters would deserve this award…Last true reporter was Walter Cronkite. The abundance of a better choice over McD’s is quit an easy choice any but McD’s. Not sure about the news, unless you take the time to find and read on your own from many different sources which is what I do now. After Fox petaled a loser on the American people, last election, I lost most of my respect for that organization. So if it isn’t based on choice, as I said proclivity: a tendency to choose or do something regularly; an inclination or predisposition toward a particular thing.
        Doesn’t apply or I just don’t see how there is a predisposition toward a particular thing….That thing being Fox News…

      • Thebob

        There are radio shows that get more listeners in a small area than MSNBC gets world wide…what’s that say..CNN is going bankrupt…whats that say….NBC can’t keep a nightly news host anyone that actually reports the news instead reporting what they are told are run off the stage…Everything you have pointed out just makes your case that much more damning…Not me your own thoughts and suggestions and your own opinion more and more prove my point. Big Government Social elitists don’t work….Giving hand outs instead giving them the ability to do on their own is breaking the American workers backs. This country can’t and will never be a Socialist Utopia that you want it won’t and can’t happen. Maybe a civil war but then the so called Tea party trash you despise so much would win that. Admiral Yamamoto said. “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” Hence the Cloward-Piven destruction from with-in. This quote is more true today with millions of my former brothers in arms who are combat tested and took an Oath to Defend the Constitution of the United States from enemies foreign and domestic. We won’t let that happen. If you are a true American, do your research read the Federalist Papers Read the Constitution of the United States….United States not the Federal Government of the US UNITED STATES we the people and the States are and hold the true power that makes this country great; Not the Feds….I have seen war and trust me chica you do not want that to come here nor do most Americans. But the run away government is getting to the point that it is out of control….Broken corrupt and sinking…

      • Thebob

        This is truly funny. Everything outlined in this article is pretty much exactly verbatim in Cloward and Piven strategy to bring America down. Also, I will say a lot of what this article has is mostly everything I don’t like about what our government does…But it makes it seem one sided like the Dems don’t use any of this and they do by far way more so…They love that the Fairness Doctrine is dead….Corporations are not people and shouldn’t be allowed the same rights….Get rid of lobbyists. Term limits need to be implemented. And this is still an Opinion article just like the Fairness Doctrine that this guy so touted he didn’t present any evidence from the other side to make a fair argument….Bias Ass Opinion….all it is.

      • regressive white trash reli

        evidence from other side?? please explain and give examples
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        also– feel free to expostulate with me with some disputing the article ( facts needed/times/places ETC)

      • Thebob

        Oh, and as far as Nov. 4th went I think over overwhelmingly the American people have spoken once again against the policies of this administration and the Democrat party. Not only taking the senate, taking more seats in the house and taking more state Governors Seats and State Legislature houses than any other time before. I think that right there speaks volumes over any article you or I can find. The American People have Spoken now its time to get the Leadership to fall in line…

      • regressive white trash reli

        would that be the people who were the LOWEST turnout since 1942?
        and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, didn’t U crybabies say the same thing in 2010?

      • Thebob

        Forwardprogressive is holding all my post for you answers on this…Not sure could be my links…

      • regressive white trash reli

        they do it to me even when I don’t use links
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        sometimes I think it might be the size of our posts

      • Thebob

        ESCALATED the war in 1968/69…..then as he saw his popularity ( war) waning he promised to end it as he wanted re-election… dems didn’t end it– Nixon signed off; hence NIXON

        By this thinking which is your own thinking, then Obama lost Iraq and Afghanistan 2 wars….Hes the one who signed off on it…Right…that is your thinking…Nixon failed don’t care about him, he was corrupt just like Clinton, Obama, Carter Bush 1 and Bush 2…Cronyism politics and Democrats are the worst offenders of it. Just look at Obama’s failed Green Energy’s Handed out billions of dollars and every single company went bankrupt yet his buddies still made millions off it. You are just blind period end of story, so there isn’t anything factual that I say that would changer you blind ass mind. Until you truly open your eyes and see the world for what it truly is you will always be on the wrong side. You are a sucker just like most of the country is. The President Congress/Senate do not run this country it is run by MONEY, that is all you need to know follow the money find the true leaders and law makers.

      • regressive white trash reli

        im laughing with glee ( and sadness) as U didn’t include “saint” Reagan as CORRUPT!!!
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,do I need to go over his presidency?? scandals??? really BOB??? the last good GOP president we had was IKE–
        and U “think” Reagan was A GOOD PRESIDENT?? he started this economic mess we are in!!
        you just proved yourself a white trash regressive idiot
        do us BOTH a favor,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ,,,,do NOT read what I asked U 2 read:
        —- stay stuck in your “testarudo” skull

      • Thebob

        Never said that. I try to stay away from him because so many conservatives think he was such a god…IRAN CONTRA anyone…Ike was a great president and the one president who had it all figured out. JFK would have been a great president also he figured it out also and hence he is dead…They wanted LBJ in power he was a player…FDR who is touted as one of the greats also, yet his party his party immediately after his death he wasn’t even in the ground yet voted term limits on the presidency, why cause of how much power he had and grew, yet they didn’t have won’t vote term limits for Congress…I am sorry but professional politics is what is ruining this country. When the 1st Congressional Congress was Farmer’s and business owners to pretty much all of them being lawyers now; there is something really screwed up about that. When such as an Honorable man that was George Washington wouldn’t except another term(he could have been president till his death) didn’t want it nor thought that was right…that says something about the belief in what they had created to what we have now would make our founders sick…

      • regressive white trash reli

        excellent post !!!
        please note- im a registered independent and Bernie sanders is my hopeful 2016 candidate

      • Moron Obama wrote about it in his own book. You’re one dumb liberal ass.

      • lindylou

        You really like to scrape the bottom of the barrel, don’t you. Dog was a normal food in Indonesia. There is no evidence that he was palsy walsy with Ayers.

      • Real Americans don’t eat mans best friend. A dog. Obama can kill a baby girl on live TV and drink it’s blood and you would make up and excuse for him. You liberals are sick SOBs.

      • independantvoter

        You seem to enjoy calling people names and that shows who you really are.

      • Yeah you sound real independent. You’re nothing but a left wing commie loving azzhole Obama azz kisser.

      • independantvoter

        you should join PETA or another terrorist group

      • lindylou

        It’s the conservative meme to portray Obama as “god” or all powerful. If you want to launch a “diversion”, continue to re re re re investigate Benghazi or birtherism.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        don’t forget the “fiscal prudence” of republicans

      • Ambassador Stevens was the first ambassador to die since 1979 Jimmy Carter days. Four brave men died while no one knows where Obama or Hillary Clinton where. So much for that 3 AM phone call. Four more men disregarded stand down orders and went to help at the US consulate as Benghazi Libya and they saved many lives and they told the whole truth while Obama sent out Susan Rice to lie and said it was a protest of an anti Muslim video which was a bald faced lie. Obama is the one who f*cked up Libya in the first place and now it’s in al-Qaeda’s hands. Col. Khadaffi gave up all his WMDs right after Bush attacked Saddam Hussein and Khadaffi also started payments for the Pam Am Lockerbie Muslim bombing.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        and all the AMERICANS who have died –in embassies as well as WARS– in republican administrations don’t count; but a f*cking diplomat does?
        U are very “speshul”

      • independantvoter

        you sir are so misinformed it is an embarrassment to all of humanity. Please turn off the conservative brainwashing and listen to some actual news.

      • So post your sources and not your liberal bullshit.

      • Hey azzhole, try and disprove any single thing I’ve posted. You have hundreds of posts to try but you will fail.

      • independantvoter

        I am disappointed by you, resorting to name calling is a very childish thing to do but then you must be a fox opinion person cause that is all I see in your posts

      • You heard me. Try and disprove any fact. I dare you. Stop changing the issue.

      • independantvoter

        what is your point?

      • They were both murdered with weak Democrat presidents in charge.

      • freethinker666

        Amundsen ate dog on his trip to the south pole, does that make him any less of an explorer??

      • regressive teaparty trash

        Amundsen was a white guy,,,,,,,,,,,,so that makes it “ok” to white trash regressives

      • Bad behavior marked with more bad behavior. Obama could eat donkey dick and you’d stick up for him and give yourself as an example of who ate a donkey dick.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        ^^^^ brilliance ^^^ showing^^^^ again^^^^

      • lindylou

        No, he tasted dog, which his mother served in Indonesia where dog meat is common. He didn’t like it.

      • His mother “Stanley” who was a hippie, dippie, atheist who loved the dark Muslim meat-twice in fact. Stanley dumped Obama on her white parents and she went off you marry another black Muslim man. Obama Sr. was a lying, drunk, adulterer bigamist who died in a DWI accident when he ran into a tree with his car while driving drunk. Source book ‘The other Barack”

      • independantvoter

        Well Mr. itsobamasfault you are showing your true thoughts finally. Are you old and from the south?

      • Facts are facts. You post is filled with dark matter. Nothing.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        agreed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, no wife/ no kids,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, all male “revue” with his followers ( see: no female apostles)
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        and he NEVER complained about homosexuality…
        at the last supper he told his apostles ” don’t be upset…tomorrow im going to the 9 inch nails concert”

      • Stephen Barlow

        I mean slept with 12 guys at a time man!!

      • Vote for Truth

        God does not tell us to hate gays…we are to love others. Huckabee praised Chick Fil A who did NOT discriminate against gays. The owner was a Christian who knew that it is stated many times in the Bible that homosexuality is a SIN! That’s called religious freedom, not discrimination. If they want to sin, that is their right, but don’t think they can force THEIR beliefs on me as a Christian.

      • WC Smith

        Funny how Christians seem to think it’s OK to persecute people, but are the first ones to scream when the tables are turned.

        If God does not tell you to hate Gays, why does Chick Fil A donate to Gay hate groups?

        If God does not tell you to hate Gays, how do you explain Westboro Church?

        If God does not tell you to hate Gays, how do you explain the KKK, which claims to be a Christian organization?

        I smell hypocrisy.Pity you’re too pious to notice.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        is that the same book of VOODOO( see: bible) that says slavery is OK and women are to be put to death who attempt to enter marriage as NON virgins and same book which doesn’t tell us who CAIN grabbed as a ‘wife’ and same stupid book which tells us NOAH and his filthy clan was able to ( a) go to such faraway areas as antartica and Australia and the western hemisphere (etc) to accumulate all those critters for a boat rides,,,,,,,,,,then- after the “great flood” his clan was able to go BACK TO THOSE LANDS AND DEPOSIT THOSE CRITTERS EXACTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD GO? really?? you believe that absurd superstitious book? really???
        now— about that ” don’t eat shrimp/ don’t wear complex fabrics” garbage,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • independantvoter

        if you are a christian what did Jesus say about being gay?

      • Vote for Truth

        God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for homosexual behavior. Jesus is the 2nd person in the Trinity which means that He is God also. So when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Jesus also did. Whatever statements God made, Jesus was right there saying the same thing!! Do you really think that Jesus, the Son of God, would not agree with everything God did in the Old Testament. Come on, even you can understand that Jesus would NEVER disagree with God!!!

      • independantvoter

        I believe that if you read the bible at all you will see glaring inconsistencies between the new and old testaments. the god of old was a vengeful and jealous god. The old testament is full of bloodshed and violence ordered by god. The new testament is full of love and forgiveness. Their are over 600 commandments in the old testament do you follow all of them? The same verses that condemn homosexuality also condemn unfaithfulness in marriage eating pork wearing anything other than natural fiber and I could go on and on. So if Christianity is based on “The Christ” then how can you follow these barbaric rules in the old testament that were sent down for the Jews to follow? Too many inconsistencies in this book.

      • Vote for Truth

        Jesus came to fulfill the commandments, not do away with them. God was not a vengeful God, he punished the people who didn’t obey Him. Yes, God and Jesus are jealous Gods because they want us to honor, praise and give them glory, not take glory for ourselves. Lots of people say that Jesus is all about love and forgiveness. While it is true that Jesus is about love and forgiveness, he is also a just God which means He will punish us for sin. For those people who do not ask Him for forgiveness and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior before they die, will go to hell because they will still be in their sins. Jesus died for all believers, not unbelievers. It is necessary to be a believer to get to heaven. There are New Testament statements about homosexuality by the disciples who writings were inspired by God. So there are many statements in the Bible, Old & New Testament against homosexuals. We are not to hate anybody, but we also will not say it’s okay because the Bible says it is sin. I hope I have explained this enough for you.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        that ; of course—is TERRIFIC “if” U are stooopid enough 2 ‘believe’ that some dead jewish homosexual carpenter (JEEEESUS) is “GOD”
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        note– just because you and your white trash regressive non thinking lemmings LIKE THE STORY doesn’t make it true.
        GOD??? YES!!! religion???
        NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      • Thebob

        Why do you have 2 profiles?

      • regressive white trash reli

        hey nefling—————-
        here is a news flash for all NON thinking cretins such as thee—-
        JEEEEESUS aint “god”
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        he was a jewish homosexual carpenter who have about 6% of his life known about–
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and imbeciles such as YOU claim jesus is ” god”?????
        really——————— funny how the historically meticulous record-keeping ROMANS don’t mention much about him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        I guess they were busy with REALITY

      • regressive white trash reli

        jesus WAS gay,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thats explained by (a) he said NOTHING about homosexuality (b) he had no wife (c) he had no girlfriend (d) He had no kids (e) all ( see: ALL) of his apostles were MEN,,,,,,,,,,,,
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        hmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,

      • COMALite J

        People miss the key point about the Chick-Fil-A thing. It wasn’t just that their corporate President said unkind things. Freedom of Speech gives him that right. It was that he was donating corporate funds to groups that were not merely speaking out against gays and same-sex marriage, but were actually using those funds to lobby for enacting legislation to discriminate against GLBTs, not only here in the USA but also in other nations. Indeed, one of these groups receiving Chick-Fil-A funds helped craft Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” Bill which makes “serial homosexuality” a capital offense, and their guy who helped craft it (Scott Lively — who has since tried to disclaim this, but his own previous words contradict him) outright stated that this was model legislation for what he and his organization wanted for the USA!

        Using the law to execute whole classes of people for what they are instead of what they do? This is one time when Godwin’s Law doesn’t apply: that really is Hitler-level evil! That’s what Chick-Fil-A was helping to fund, and that is why many of us boycotted them, not because of any mean things their President said.

      • Vote for Truth

        The Bible says in many places that homosexuality is a sin…not Huckabee, the Bible. He does not hate homosexuals, he hates the sin as Jesus does!

      • Stephen Barlow

        But Jesus said Huck can cast the first stone ONLY IF he is without the sin of judgement or condemnation or hateful discrimination.

        Guilty guilty guilty.

      • Stephen Barlow

        The bible is not the LAW.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        your VOODOO book ( bible) also says keeping slaves is ok and women MUST be virginal to marry,,,,,
        wanna double down on that?

      • Sotmone

        His advocacy for Authortarian Theocracy says otherwise.

      • Vote for Truth

        Mike Huckabee does NOT support Authortarian Theocracy. He did not force his religion on the people of Arkansas where he was a Governor for 10 1/2 yrs. and won’t force his religion on the people of America when he becomes President in 2016!

      • Sotmone

        He wants to ban abortion and prevent Lesbian and Gay Americans from marrying who they love. He is the embodiment of religious Fundamentalism and is not fit to serve in a secular Republic. Luckily he has no chance of winning.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        really? the huckster is gonna be president?
        Hmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,, wonder what rand paul and jeb bush and ted cruz and other regressives say about that–
        PRAISE ( dead jewish homosexual carpenter) JEEEESUS!

      • Gary Menten

        Karl Rove would be rolling on the floor with laughter if someone told him to back Huckleberry Mike.

      • Gary Menten

        Sorry Dude, but a governor of Arkansas can no more force his religion on the people of Arkansas than he can wake the dead. The First Amendment absolutely forbids this leaving him no power to do this, so your point is moot.

        What he appears to be telling people now however, is that people should ignore the law if disagrees with their religious view, which is something he could never really say if he were in office. However he is not in office and can say whatever idiotic thing he wishes to as can you.

        That brings me to my third and final point. Huckabee will never be president. Never. Karl Rove picks guys he thinks are electable and Huckabee isn’t anywhere outside the Bible Belt. So that’s that. End of story.

      • independantvoter

        Check out Dominionism and Huckabee’s position on that movement.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        except his tailor,,,,,,,,,have u seen how overweight fat ass huck(ster)abee has gotten with the $$$$ accumulation from FOX “news” zealots??

      • Thebob

        I hate everyone equally were does that leave me???

      • Vote for Truth

        Mike Huckabee is a Christian and follows the actual teachings in the Bible. It doesn’t matter what Fox News does about Christianity because Huckabee has his own show and supports his values!

      • gwynne

        What network does huckabee use to broadcast his “own show”? He must agree somewhat with fox “news”, the entertainment channel, or he would be finding a more Christian network to air his show. Jesus never said anything about gays or homosexuality…anyway not in any version I have read. If you have a passage that can verify your comment, please provide it. The passages that stick out, especially in regards to the republican party, are about a camel and the eye of a needle, and giving to Caesar what is his and to God what is God’s. Oh, and there’s a lot about loving and giving and turning the other cheek and helping foreigners in your country. Seems the republicans and huckabee have a different Bible than most of us?

      • regressive teaparty trash

        notice how “vote 4 truth” did NOT reply??
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        hmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • Thebob

        Here you go: You must not read the Bible very often so I will forgive your lie that you have read it.

        Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”

        Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”

        1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

        Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

      • Thebob

        I will add this also “And, basic rights? Well, we all have basic rights. But, the homosexuals want special rights. They want laws passed to protect their sexual behavior. They also want to redefine marriage and require everyone else to accept it!” If this is allowed to pass then technically by how SCOTUS works this would allow NAMBLA the same opportunities. If you don’t know NAMBLA google it.

      • Wingsfan81

        He can follow his teachings all he wants in his personal life… what he CAN’T do is force those teachings on others. I’m a Christian, but I in NO way think any laws should be based on MY beliefs.

      • Thebob

        Murder??? Based on 10 Commandments…Stealing same, Lieing,is about the only thing in the 10 commandments that isn’t illegal, but it is to a Government Official, yet they can lie all they won’t to us..Hell even Cops can lie to get a confession and DA’s can lie to get a conviction…Seems to me lieing would be a good law from Christian Values to included among all the others….But they know if they can’t lie to the American people they would be screwed so hard….

      • regressive teaparty trash

        Christianity and the application of all the bible are radically different,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        shall we start with “who was cains wife”?

      • Vote for Truth

        Huckabee’s version of Christianity as you put it is based on the actual teachings of the Bible…remember he was a preacher at one time.

      • deannawoods

        He has been taking stands that promote a theocracy. When he’s on Fox, he’s not talking just to a Christian audience, he’s talking to members of a democracy. Christians are to follow the Bible, but they don’t have a right in a democracy to dictate other’s morality. To some degree, he needs to render unto Caesar…. Notably, Huckabee is not using Biblical passages in his Fox show to support his contentions. Further, he’s working for a station that is wildly distant from Christian values. Fox head Ailes was a dirty tricks strategist for Nixon. Fox went to court to defend their right to lie deliberately to their audience. One of Fox’s owners is Murdoch, who has a history of run-ins with the law — in Europe, his staff was found hacking illegally into people’s phones and bribing government officials. One of Murdoch’s partners with Fox is a Saudi prince, from a country with very oppressive Muslim practices — more so than most countries with a large Muslim population.

      • Thebob

        “from dictating to non-Christians as from a position of artificial superiority” WTF does this mean…The main message in the bible to go forth and to preach to your fellow man as to how great God and Jesus Christ is/was/will be once again….WTF kind of church do you go to that says not to do that…Wow is all I gut and I would run very fast from that church…

      • deannawoods

        “artificial superiority” was a term used in that comment to identify the “holier than thou” outlook that too many have, which all human beings are prone to. Jesus simply said to love our neighbors, without stipulating conditions for that love, conditions such as “My neighbor needs to be of my religious beliefs if s/he wants my love.” God first loved us; He wasn’t waiting around for us to discover and love Him, nor for us to become righteous on our own before He loved us. Jesus also talked often about the need for humility, about consciously taking the humbler, lower place. Jesus gave two commandments, both about love, and then told His disciples to share the good news about a loving God. But that sharing doesn’t call for creating a theocracy.

      • Thebob

        Agreed, but by doing as we are asked to do in the bible, which is to spread the word of God and Jesus Christ, that would entail telling people how they should live their life morally and ethically….This goes against everything you said in your initial comment. But agree with Love our neighbors with out stipulations. I have no faith in humanity, only in God.

      • Gary Menten

        Hahahahahaha….

        “That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not.”

        Thomas Paine.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        according to “christians”………”god” can do everything
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        including lie

      • Gary Menten

        Be that as it may, Huckleberry Mike is a former preacher, and we know preachers can lie and as for the the Bible…..enough said.

  • forpeace

    Mike Huckabee does not even believe in U.S. Constitution and the “Separation of Church and State.” He is a clueless right-wing religious extremist who is trying to force the Christian Law on people. He is using the religion and churches to lobby for and meddle in our elections.

    In September 2014, Mike Huckabee said Christians should “Vote the Bible” as poll shows early GOP support. He even called for Christian pastors to become more politically vocal as a new poll showed him garnering early support among Republican voters in Iowa. He also said “I would urge pastors to get in the pulpit and call people to Biblical truth as it relates to the issue of life and marriage, and even the issue of stewardship, and never be apologetic and say, ‘Vote the Bible in your own heart.,” and “we have people who say ‘Well, the courts have ruled on abortion, we just have to live with it,’ or ‘The courts have ruled on same-sex marriage, we just have to live with it,’” he said. “And I would suggest, no we don’t. He stated that “We shouldn’t just accept things that are ungodly and that will cause us to have to stand before God with bloody hands.”

    In April 2014, Mike Huckabee told a conservative gathering that he is “beginning to think that there’s more freedom in North Korea sometimes than there is in the United States.”

    • forpeace

      Stop giving churches special tax exemptions in the name of “Social Welfare” while these churches are meddling in our politics and elections. That violates the “Separation of Church and State,” and that tax exemptions are a privilege, not a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. In this tough economic times the government cannot afford what amounts to a subsidy worth billions of dollars every year.

      • Stephen Barlow

        One penny and / or one minute of ANY churches money or time invested in POLITICS should permanently REVOKE their tax exempt status and BACK taxes should be charged in full back to those single minutes and pennies.

      • Vote for Truth

        Guess you must have the Black churches who do talk about politics in every Presidential election be the churches who get their tax exempt status revoked. They even show this on TV, yet nobody says anything about it because it’s Black churches. Why should they get to do that, yet if it’s a White church, they are warned you can’t do that (which I don’t know of a white church that does that). Just watch TV in 2016, and YOU will see that too, but I’ll bet because you are Democrats, you won’t care. Double standard anybody!

      • Stephen Barlow

        I don’t know of any white church that isn’t political. I also said ANY church.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        bible is a book of voodoo———– just as are all religious books; all religions,,,,,,,,,,, pure superstition made to capitalize financially ( and legislative power) upin the stupidity of non thinking lemmings

      • independantvoter

        you are the one making the distinction of “Black Churches” everyone else on this is saying “churches” you must be one that sees a color difference.

      • Vote for Truth

        I have seen on TV for the last 3 Presidential campaigns Black churches have people come into their churches and actually tell them who to vote for, while at the same time, the Democrats just dare any other church to have anybody speak at all about the race would be soooo wrong! I believe that’s called a double standard, don’t you think!!!

      • Thebob

        Why can’t a Pastor or Minister or Preacher guide his flock, that is what they are suppose to do…Now I don’t think they should set themselves in the middle of things, but this is stupid. That’s what churches are for, even the Black ones who say “God Damn America” I may not like it, but I would defend to death your right to speak hate over it being repressed…

      • Thebob

        “Separation of Church and State” DOESN’T EXIST…READ THE CONSTITUTION WOMEN!!!! Because you sound really stupid right now because you don’t know your facts….And paying taxes or well collecting them is a privilege of the Gov. not a right.

    • Peter Williams

      Separation of Church and State doesn’t apply to Christians: only Muslims and Jews

      • giankeys loves shemale porn

        and all NON pseudo christians

      • Stephen Barlow

        Don’t forget the Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans, Pagans, Native Americans, and Satanists…

      • Sotmone

        Right. We’ve got all the religions, Southern Baptists, Regular Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, Catholics, Christian Scientists, Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Coptic Christians, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Methodists, Calvinists, Christian Monetarists, Anabaptists and a few more. JUST CHOOSE ONE, that’s religious freedom.

      • Thebob

        Or Atheist…wait is that a “religion” hmm not sure, I would lump Satanist in religion also even more so than Atheists…It’s so funny to hear them demand that they have a display also….Why what do you worship….LMFAO it’s so funny….

      • Vote for Truth

        Guess you better ignore the schools who can’t pray, or even have children who want to read the Bible in their free time, or have a prayer at a Graduation ceremony, or even thank God. Lots of freedoms taken away by you people who want to harm Christians, but wouldn’t DARE say the same things to Muslims because they would just as soon kill you as breathe! Double standard anybody!!

      • regressive teaparty trash

        school is not students “free time”
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        thanking god is no problem when done INDIVIDUALLY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do it at home. do it quietly. Doing it overtly in public is annoying to all who do not ascribe to such voodoo
        when moslems and Buddhists and Taoists and jewish start demanding that THEIR beliefs be irrevocably placed in legislation– as American Christians have been TRYING for decades,,,,,,,,,
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,then U can contact me and we will complain together

      • independantvoter

        The “Christians” can do anything they like on their own time, but when you religious people try to make it available in community owned venues then yes you must refrain from it according to the U.S.constitution.

      • Thebob

        Then by the power of the Constitution we have that right to do so…because there is NO LANGUAGE IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS Separation of Church and STATE…obviously you have never read the Constitution that you so dearly covet, I have several times….Only thing it mentions is we, you, us The AMERICAN People shall not have a STATE RELIGION, meaning like England at the time was a Protestant State, National Religion of the King….We are free to practice our religion were ever and with whomever we please…If you don’t like a prayer before a football game or after then find a different school for your kid cause obviously you don’t fit in that community….Find one were you do….Oh, that might be hard since about 75% of this country are Christians….or have Christian values….But I guess if you want to be a heathen you are free to leave and move where ever you want to practice what ever religion or none religion you have…But then if you are an Atheist the Muslims will still kill you…also there are no moderate Muslims…If they are a true Muslim practitioner, the do not like you or I or this country and want to destroy it. Now there are Muslims who are Muslim by heritage but they don’t really practice, just like some of our Christians, they might go to church on Sunday, but eh…I have talked with many Muslims, not one had a nice thing to say about this country…SO Go read the Constitution and get back to me….

      • Independantvoter

        I agree with all you are saying except the part about go find another community to live in. The constitution guarantees separation of church and state so as long as the “prayers” are sanctioned by the schools on school property then it is a violation of the constitution.This has been upheld by the supreme court so if you don’t like this then you go find another place to live. Such a small thing to respect others yet you think since you know “your” god is the only true one that all others must adhere to your beliefs. Sounds like sharia law to me. What you advocate is a theocracy and that is unconstitutional.

      • Thebob

        Where in the Constitution does it guarantee this. SCOTUS isn’t the Constitution. If a Muslim wants to have a prayer then so be it, if a Santanist wants their chant/prayer involved so be it. I am equal to all religions unlike you all who hate every religion. And no I do not advocate a theocracy, that is exactly what the Constitution was created for, to stop such actions. But it runs both ways. We longer look to the Constitution we legislate from the bench now, laws set precedence regardless if they look at how the Constitution applies or not. SCOTUS isn’t the Constitution nor do they apply the Constitution to that specific law they look at other laws, which isn’t how the system was designed. Regardless, I am a firm believer that our Government is too massive in all aspects. It needs to be trimmed by half if not more. States have no rights anymore, it is only how this applies to Federal Law. Welcome to the Oligarchy of America, it is no longer United States….The State of American Federal Government. AND AGAIN I SAY THIS NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DOES IT SAY SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE….NO WHERE PERIOD END OF STORY…READ IT IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME. That statement Separation of Church and State was addressed in a letter from John Adams I think talking to Ben Franklin or someone along those lines. I would have to go back re-read that part of history. It may have been in the Federalist Papers, but it isn’t in the Constitution. Do I think that religion should have a place in Government no, but I do think most religious values have a roll in creating our laws….Even so, if you truly feel this way, then ALL the MARIJUANA, and ALL ILLEGAL DRUG LAWS ARE Un-Constitutional. Why this is legislating Religious Values into our Government……That is where they came from. NJ Blue Dog Southern Dems for making laws that are based on religious values. Then by those means, Satanist should be allowed to have their human sacrifices, if that is the case also. Cause you know they have religious freedom in this country….And you obviously haven’t read any of my other comments. I am strictly for the Constitution. I am not a Republican or a pos Democrat, I am a Constitutionalist and I will keep the oath I took to defend it with my life if necessary!

      • Thebob

        That’s funny and so true…Christian offends libtard take sue to take away prayer, Muslim offends libtard, they run and pee themselves cause they are too afraid to lose their head….Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but that does not mean just stand there and take it, just try to be the bigger person, if that doesn’t work then SMITE thee with thy Axe. If God doesn’t exist to you all, why does prayer offend you so much??? If God doesn’t exist to you why does reading a bible in school for free reading time offend you so? If God doesn’t exist, why do you hate him so much???

    • Vote for Truth

      I guess you had better cut those special tax exemptions because every Presidential election it shows on TV that the Black churches are doing that very thing.

      Mike Huckabee is not advocating for being in politics from the pulpit, he is advocating for all preachers to teach from the Bible that abortion (killing) and homosexuality are sins which preachers are supposed to do (teach from the Bible).

      • WC Smith

        Can you show me where in the Bible Jesus said Homosexuality is a sin? No fair using Leviticus unless you never wear poly-cotton clothes or eat at Red Lobster.
        Or do you believe in ala carte Christianity? You only follow what’s convenient?

      • Lynn Salton

        Christians are difficult to debate with. They screech that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin… but when asked why they wear blended fabrics or eat shellfish (or any other of the myriad of Leviticus rules they ignore) they quickly remind us heathens that Jesus rendered the rules of the Old Testament “null & void” or just applicable to the Hebrews.
        Society has reached a threshold… science and the Bible &/or Qu’ran as the word of God/Allah are no longer able to rationally coexist. One is based or fact and reason the other is pure fiction that exists solely to control and subjugate. The faster all of the Abrahamic religions become nothing more than literary works akin to Greek mythology… the better.

      • regressive teaparty trash

        I have found it easier–and more logical– to get my pet TEGU to transcribe and play Rossini upon a harpsichord than debate a religious ( especially pseudo-Christians) lemming

      • Thebob

        You an Atheist??? I have more to say to scum like you but need this answered first.

      • Lynn Salton

        An Atheist? I believe in logic and common sense… facts not fiction. I believe in science and science continues to prove Christianity/Islam can’t be the ‘word’ of a supreme being because those books are full of scientific errors. If you think that makes me an atheist, you’re probably right… but when I referred to myself as a ‘heathen’ that was a pretty big clue. Can’t wait to read your Christian reply with all of the love and goodwill you people claim to be all about.

      • Thebob

        Love and goodwill huh, I am not your typical Christian. I hate religion, but I love my God and Jesus Christ. Give me an example of your scientific errors??? And please don’t mention the flood, because this has been proven time and time again….Just cause you refuse to admit it doesn’t make it true….The good book is also filled with such common sense as you so like…History books are also not fiction…That is a fact…The bible even in your pathetic mind isn’t a child’s story book, even scientists that will actually admit they are an Atheist or Agnostic, agree that it if anything it is a great historical reference book….Oh, most science is also based off most religions doctrines..Considering most early early scientists were Monks or Priests who paved the way for modern man made science….Which is still flawed and things science can’t even explain or understand how or why things work the way they do…i.e…Gravity…look it up, no science person can tell you why Gravity works, they can try to explain to you simple terms of how it works but we have no CLUE why…pretty cool huh…This reminds me of an Absolute…Or the fact that math mathematically that black holes can’t and don’t exists…Which was just proven and excepted by Mr. Computer Voice himself Stephen Hawking…Which this completely blows the Big Bang theory out of the water….Science was banking a lot on black holes, and if they can’t exist by math (science) then how did the big bang happen?….So, you have the free will to decide on your own, for me I will choose to believe and would rather be wrong in believing in God the Creator than getting it wrong, by not believing and then being commended to the abyss…

      • Thebob

        Still deflected you an Atheist? or Agnostic? or Deist? Or do you not know what any of those mean???

      • regressive teaparty trash

        your own silly book of voodoo( bible) says that life begins at the child taking a 1st breath– no embryos
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        wanna double down on more stuff I can obliterate you with?

      • Thebob

        No it doesn’t….Sorry that is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read…So I bet you would allow post birth abortions wouldn’t you? Have you ever had a kid? Probably not… A real mom would know that comment isn’t true. And no where in the bible does it say life begins at 1st breath…Life begins at conception that is what is in the bible you heathen fuck. MURDERING RACIST TRASH.

      • regressive white trash reli

        actually I have a 23 yr old college grad daughter who now has her own place and car and photography studio== hugh lewz
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        life begins at conception?? according to who?? YIOU and your white trash band of regressive voodoo practitioners???
        really?
        oh,,,,, and the POST birth abortion rant:
        very republican!!! devoid of facts!!!
        I like when u change color– crimson is YOU!

      • Thebob

        According to the science you so worship…And POST birth abortion is what is being pushed, now a dayz…but You know I thought you people stayed up on current events. Yep your clan wants to make POST birth abortions up to age five legal….Hell college students even signed a petition supporting this…Got to love legal murder..Again, you need to do your own research and not listen to your mouth piece Rachael Maddow…But I guess libtards can’t think on their own so sure be my guest and follow an opinion media.

      • regressive white trash reli

        wrong again O crybaby gerbil droppings:
        “post abortion” is not legal…………………. ergo U are seriously crying
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        when some loser TRIES to put this up 4 a vote; lemme know- until then U are an asshole
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        I like how U ran from my post regarding my daughter
        ,,,,what was that U wrote??

        “………….MURDERING RACIST TRASH”
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        lachrymosity par excellence!!

      • Thebob

        Name calling childish behavior once again….Are you a Man or Women??? Cause honestly if your a dude talking about abortion and it’s the women’s choice then you just need to STFU and helping raise a child as what a husband or butch does, isn’t the same as giving birth to a child…So if you are a dude and gave birth to your daughter tell me how you did it cause I want to be rich if that’s the case…..Regardless, abortion for a man is just dropping that responsibility and gives you freedom to put your penis were ever with out consequences of your actions. As a man, that sounds awesome to me, but as a father of 3, never even an option….Even is it was a complete stranger or one night stand, I would do what is expected of a REAL MAN and take care of the child not run away and you deal with it women it’s your body…..Such boys in this country now, the real men generation is gone or fading fast….

      • regressive white trash reli

        so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        me calling YOU “gerbil droppings” is name calling
        …………………………
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but you calling me ‘murdering racist trash’ is NOT??
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        and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, last time I checked: women at 18 or OVER make the legal decision to have an abortion. The “man” or “father” may chime in monetarily and socio-spiritually,,,but the MOTHER MUST make that difficult choice ,,,,
        ,,,,,,,,im willing to wager that your 3 daughters —when of adult age— would agree with ME over YOU if they had a situation in which abortion could be viewed.
        —that is of course if they are anatomically correct to look at- my experience with dealing with losers such as you is YOUR female kids are either flatchested or overweight–or BOTH

      • Thebob

        Nope, my daughter will know what life means and how to respect that life, and unlike your wife and daughter mine will grow up with family values and not resort to childish banter like your self, she will also be a self respecting women who doesn’t whore herself out like your wife and daughter do…cause to be married to you….you would have to pay a women to put up with your mental retardation….Your a fucking pos human…Done talking with you ever again…Just pray to God you I don’t figure out who you really are……

      • Thebob

        You know what, you don’t like this country or how it’s ran the GTFO you POS HUMAN. YOU DON’T DESERVE LIFE period.

      • regressive white trash reli

        actually; over the past 6 yrs im impressed that we have slowly turned the corner; straightening out the sordid mess left us by the regressive GOP destructive policies and results OF those policies—————— so YES I agree!!
        nice 2 see we agree on things!
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        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,where did cain get his wife??

      • Thebob

        She came from the east you would know this if you read the bible….6 years huh, how would you like to see our country run…Should we even have to work? Should the Gov. just give you a house your food, water, energy needs? How about a 55″ TV, that is required these days is it not? What is your plan cause all I have seen any of you idiots do is repeat, just like you are trained to do, the media talking points and you cannot come up with your own coherent thoughts or own ideas…Which is why you all are sheeple, get in line and wait your turn to jump off the cliff with the rest of the heard, while my family and I will live another day for ourselves.

      • regressive white trash reli

        schmuck– adam eve,,,,,cain abel,,,( are U with me so far? good)
        cain kills abel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, GOD marks cain & send him to the ‘land of nod’
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        still with me?
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        now- all that’s left is adam & eve,,,and the vanquished cain
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, where did cain get a wife?

      • Thebob

        Continue reading, the Land of Nod was EAST hmm ASIA….Still with me??? Go back and read the story again…It will tell you just like I did…Wait one better From Wikipedia The Land of Nod (Hebrew: eretz-Nod‎, ארץ נוד) is a place in the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible, located “on the east ofEden” (qidmat-‘Eden), where Cain was exiled by God after Cain had murdered his brother Abel. According to Genesis 4:16:… Also, as I am pretty sure I stated in the previous post…I unlike most Christians do not believe nor does it say in the bible Adam and Eve were the first humans…only first to be created in “his image”. People were already here, hence were Cain’s wife comes from NOD, China or India Maybe…not really sure, our planet look different back then, plates have shifted, poles have changed…

      • regressive white trash reli

        science has shown man came out of Africa……….. and branched out.
        BIBLE is either right or wrong; which is it ?
        since the BIBLE showcases adam and eve and cain and abel ONLY,,,,,,,,
        where did cain get a wife??
        (note- that’s a new one…..”different humans”)
        u really are “speshul”

      • Thebob

        As I said I am done with your childish ass learn to “Speak” fucking English when you try to have a real conversation with a human, but you are sub-human so I guess it doesn’t matter.. Wash my hands of you fucking trash POS human again you better hope I don’t find out who you really are….Calling me names and actin like a child is one thing but disrespecting a mans family can be deadly…I bet your child would be really proud of how you talk to other people, I am sure you taught her well… Go back into the hole you crawled out from just fucking pathetic…

      • regressive white trash reli

        awwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,getting your ass kicked on here with FACTS really makes U change color!!
        crimson is really you!! are U a chameleon?
        and,,,im not disrespecting your family: im disrespecting the low IQ “head” of that family
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        oh,,,,and my lexiphanic usage of English is exemplary.
        ……………but Im in awe of your passion!!!
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        enjoy the photo of my gal,,,,,,,,,,,,, shes tall; slim,,,natural and totally insane ( jes’ like meee)

      • Thebob

        You haven’t stated one FACT at all, only acting like a 40ish man child that lost his manliness ages ago, who can’t create an intellectual thought on his own, who resorts to picking on/name calling degrading a women and children who are not here to defend themselves…You sir do not deserve any respect from anyone ever…You are sub-human and I hope some elderly person runs you over with their golf cart on the beach. Go take some more roids and STFU….I guarantee I have forgotten more than you will ever learn, and I am probably 20 years younger than you…So much for independent….You are far from it…Have fun with the rest of your parties downfall….I hope your life ends in a painful misery of blood and guts; man-child……To re-state again, you haven’t posted one fact, only reiterated your parties talking points and then resort to name calling when called out with facts….and you seem to have some gay fascination with Jesus Christ it is kinda disturbing, with your roid shrunk nut sack…I also bet you don’t even have a functional relationship with your child…..I bet you got some whore pregnant and ran from the responsibility of being a true father and you are probably wanted in some state for back child support dead beat dad law somewhere….Have a shitty life….I won’t pander to your idiocy anymore.

  • Jim Deedler

    LOL! what a Moron….

  • Richard Mcgee

    There is no god

  • Stephen Barlow

    hehehehehehehe I guess Huckabee is finally getting on the Road to Sedition, marching along side Ted Cruz! Isn’t “We don’t have to accept the ‘ungodly’ part of the Constitution the same as “ShutDown the Government” if we don’t want to obey the LAW?

    Obama should have given the Republicans EXACTLY the kind of tyranny they have accused him of since the 2008 election. A little Hitler, a little Gestapo, a few months in a mystery prison under their very own Patriot Act … YEAH!!! If Obama’d have done that in 2009, the 2010 elections would have been VERY different. The right would have changing each other’s diapers 10 times a day each time a new ‘Kenyan” or “Birther” or “Muslim” or “Terrorist” blog came out of the woodwork LYING about the President.

    Even if Boehner DID manage to become speaker after that… his desk would be empty and all those bills that America both WANTS and NEEDS would have gone to the floor for a VOTE!

    The NEVER would have been a credit rating down grade, a sequester, no terrorization over the debt ceiling, no SHUT DOWN and the roads would be paved, unemployed Americans would have JOBS PROGRAMS and EDUCATION opportunities. We would have AUTOMATCALLY SAVED the 8 Billion SNAP and TANF because people would be WORKING.

    Congress could have addressed the mortgage thieves on Wall Street, restructured the regulatory agencies, reinstated The EPA laws on Energy companies and al that before obama was re-elected in 2012 with a freshly thriving economy and unemployment under 6% 2 years early!

    Do you think if CONGRESS was actually DOING IT’S JOB, we could have nipped ISIS in the bud, and since the troops would have been home early, we could have kicked Putin in the NADS and saved Europe from having their GAS cut off for Christmas. Mark My words, that is EXACTLY what Putin has planned.

    • Vote for Truth

      Are you counting the 345 bills from the House on Reid’s desk in the Senate that he isn’t taking to the floor?

      • Stephen Barlow

        You mean all those tax cut bills for business that have ZERO mandates for JOB CREATION?

        Or the 54 Repeal the PPACA farces?

        Wanna go down the list with me?

        On Beohner’s desk are JOBS BILLS, HIGHWAY BILLS, FARM BILLS, VETERAN’S BILLS, ENERGY BILLS, CLEAN WATER BILLS, CLEAN AIR BILLS.

        MAKE me a LIST and check it twice and let’s see if ANY of those 345 house bills ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE TAXPAYER?

        Put up or SHUT UP!

  • deannawoods

    What’s interesting is that he’s not just talking about his own believers abstaining from behaviors they oppose, he has them working to make sure no one else does, either. So now he’s going for a theocracy? He’s spent ‘way too much time with the ultra conservatives, getting brainwashed. Perhaps he should consider moving to a country with a theocracy — because America chose to be a democracy.

    • Vote for Truth

      You are wrong, Mike Huckabee did not force his religion on the people of Arkansas, and will not force his religion on the people of America when he becomes President in 2016!

  • Ram Garcia

    Mike “Darth Vader” Huckabee has really, really gone to the dark side…..

  • BenGroseclose

    Huckabee lost my respect when he buddied up with that admitted pedophile Ted Nugent on his show. Sorry, but he’s lost the right to claim he supports Christian values when he gets cozy with a child molester.

    (as Ted himself referred to his pedophilia on a VH-1 interview, “It was…. BEAUTIFUL)

    not as beautiful as the thought of Ted getting gang raped in prison till he needs a colostomy bag.

  • Peter Williams

    Mike Huickabee: Christian Taliban

  • giankeys loves shemale porn

    sounds like “mister” HUCK(ster)ABEE might be trying to run again??
    ……….praise (21st century white regressive ) JEEEEEESUS! PASS THAT TAX FREE TITHE!!

  • ‘giankeys loves shemale porn’ is found on every website that mentions queers. You know what tat means? He/she/it is disgusting.

  • Stephen Barlow

    BENGHAZI!!!!! “UPDATE: The New York Times reported that two FBI officials it spoke with corroborated the version of events described in the Blue Mountain incident report, further undercutting 60 Minutes’ claim that their source has been consistent and truthful about his experiences on the night of the Benghazi attacks. CBS News has signaled that a correction could be forthcoming if it determines Davies misled the network.”

    I apologize for a mistake posted moments ago about another FAILED CBS BENGHAZI investigative reporter with an anti Obama agenda Sharyl Atkisson, who quit because of alleged :Liberal bias @ CBS news. The Fraudster I compared to Stephen Glass, of New Republic fame… was Lara Logan, who was duped for more than a YEAR by a jackass wanna be spy.

    Please use this as an object lesson for Jim Beam on how to admit you made a mistake in public.

  • Silver Fox

    Note to Mike Huckabee: If you want God for President, and a holy book for a constitution, THEN MOVE TO SAUDI ARABIA

  • Mark Davis

    Being a fanatic may be a religious position to be defended by the Constitution but those holding that position are incapable of seeing the the larger picture as their position is rearward facing, necessarily myopic, and scatological.

  • JG18

    These of course are also the people who loudly decry “activist judges” if a judge rules in favor of a liberal position but are convinced that judges who support conservative positions are merely upholding the Constitution

  • cobra614

    Listen to what Huckabee is saying…”Ungodly Constitutional Laws”..the key word here is Constitutional… Soooo Huckabee does not believe in the Constitution..is this what he is saying?…he thinks that just because you are a conservative you get a Pass when it comes to the Constitution?…Really?…I mean really really?..Scalia just said pretty much the same thing…hypocrites.

  • Artisan3m

    In order for Huckabee’s objections to hold merit, conservatives would first have to become ‘godly’ creatures. Their track record suggests otherwise.

  • Judy Rae Jackson

    Huckabee KNOWS that his time in the spotlight is over. He is desperate to remain in the public eye & this is the only way he can do it.

  • slugsucker

    And atheists, agnostics, and people of different faiths shouldn’t have to tolerate obstruction, provocation, incitement, and being force fed unconstitutional, narrow religious dogma from hate-filled, fear mongering rabble rousers on a radical soapbox like this Huckster.

  • Gary Menten

    Hey Mike! Here’s a newsflash for you. It’s because of people like you that the Founding Fathers included a separation of church and state into the Constitution. Suck it up.

    • regressive teaparty trash

      mike huck(ster)abee now making BIIIIIG money pandering to the regressive religious lemmings
      ===============================================
      sign me up!! Im younger and more vibrant and look better,,,,,,I will lie to America on FOX “news” for 500K per year

  • Gary Menten

    Dear Huckleberry,

    As the Romans used to say, “Dura lex, sed lex.” Suck it up.

  • worrierking

    Conservatives don’t have to accept ungodly constitutional laws, but they do have to accept the consequences of not accepting them

    • regressive teaparty trash

      100% correct

    • Andy_Kreiss

      It’s a very strange world they live in. For the past six years, the right has been screaming “Unconstitutional!” about every little thing that hurts their feelings, while demonstrating that they don’t seem to understand the constitution at all.

      Now this nutbag is straight out saying that right wingers are above the constitution.

      • worrierking

        To them, it’ pick and choose from the constitooshun, except for the 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun whenever and wherever you choose because you never know when you’re going to need to overthrow the constitushun.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Somebody else put it very neatly in an internet comment recently, the idea that those original gubmint boys who wrote the thing were essentially saying “BTW, we’ve included this thing where, if you don’t agree with us, you can shoot us.”

        That, and their not having to mention Jesus at all in the constitution, beause it’s so obviously implied. If you can ignore that one part about the separation of church and state.

  • Bruce Brown

    He is just an idiot trying to pander to his own audience. The constitution says nothing about GOD. Its refers to a maker. That can be whatever you choose it to be.

  • independantvoter

    Huckabee is a subscriber to the dominants ideas. If you do not know who they are then check them out on wikipedia or any other website of your choice. According to their leaders they believe that America should follow the bible laws to make this country great. I am very concerned about these radicals, not only do they subscribe to this theocracy view they also believe that the separation of church and state does not apply to christianity. Please help pass the word on these loons I believe they are the most dangerous group in the country.

  • independantvoter

    Dominionists theory

  • Walter Goerlitz

    The drivel from the posters on this blog is amusing. All butt pluggers I would imagine.