Missouri Church Raffles Two AR-15’s to Bring People to ‘Follow Jesus’

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When I think of real Christian values I think of being caring, forgiving, generous, hopeful, loving, accepting – you know, those values for which Jesus Christ stood.

But apparently for a church in Joplin, Missouri, real Christian values involve raffling off AR-15 rifles.

Because nothing says “good Christian values” quite like a military-style semi-automatic assault rifle.  I’m sure Jesus would approve.

On Father’s Day, Ignite Church, in an effort to lure in more males aged 18-35 to the church, raffled off two AR-15 rifles.

“If we get people in the door, we get to preach the gospel,” Heath Mooneyham, Ignite’s pastor said. “If we can get more people to follow Jesus, I’ll give away 1,000 guns. I don’t care.”

Don’t you just love that mindset?  Who cares how you get people to come to church, just get them to come.

Call me crazy, but I would think the main selling point for a Christian church would be, you know, Christianity.  And if your particular message isn’t working, maybe you need to improve your message.

I’m not sure you can call yourself a “Christian church” if you admit that you’re willing to give away 1,000 guns just to get people to show up.  To me, that’s just a group of people reading from the Bible.  Anyone can do that.

At least not everyone in the area thinks this is a good idea.

Steve Urie, pastor at the Joplin Diversity Fellowship, said, “I think giving away weapons, with all the violence in this country, gives way to new violence.  I don’t think it’s just nontraditional. I think it’s careless and reckless.”

And while I’m not claiming that all guns lead to violence, what kind of message does it send when a church is willing to raffle off lethal weapons in the “name of Jesus Christ.”

Jesus Christ, whether you believe he was real or not, was a representation of many good things.  Advocating for weapons and violence wasn’t among them.  So using guns to lure people to church is ridiculous.

Sadly this isn’t the first time I’ve run across a situation like this.  A few months ago a church in Kentucky also used a gun raffle to lure people to church.

I don’t really care what your stance on guns is, using them to lure people to church is asinine.  And if you really think Jesus Christ would support raffling off guns to bring people to church, you’re out of your mind.


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • craigm2379

    Say it aint so !

  • Charles Vincent

    Another nontrovery. One more and it’s a hat trick.

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      chuckie: whats your opinion upon the church doing this? ( and U don’t get to spin away; just stay on THAT topic )

      • Charles Vincent

        Total nontroversy doesn’t matter whether they raffled a car or a fruitcake or a rifle etcetera.

      • Stephen Barlow

        THANKS FOR AGREEING that BRIBING congregants is the same as BRIBING constituents. I mean it would take a bribe offered on the muzzle of a gun pointed @ the blacks in Mississippi to vote for one Republican turd over the other for Senate, but isn’t that what Cochran is trying to desperately do?

        Maybe he should have raffled off an AK47 or 2?

        BE better off smoking some…

      • Charles Vincent

        Argumentum absurdum.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Someone cut this horse’s ass’ hair. it’s hanging over his eye and blinding him.

        Latinization of your flubberstamp, bumpersticker wisdom does NOT make you sound more intelligent. It kinda make you as lame as a leisure suit does.

        But the rest of us are just ignoring you… Me. I LIKE to see you cut & paste!!

      • Charles Vincent

        And three, two, one…. You’re still an idiots Stevie. And who is this “us” you have a cricket in your pocket?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ad nauseum enemasquirtium mastucatium.

        Eat sh*t until you puke!

      • Charles Vincent

        You burnt one of your three remaining brain cells there Stevie, better take a break before you stroke out.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I have a GF. I don’t have you strokin’ hot sex life.

        So sad to see you never had a creative thought of your own have you?

      • Charles Vincent

        Well hyperbole loves company Stevie and straw men you create aren’t fireproof.

      • Stephen Barlow

        ROTFLMAO!!

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        stevie is a bit over the top.
        I still luv him as he hates regressives

      • Charles Vincent

        We all can be IMHO.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        chuckles; when U fail to ( as a choice; not an incompetence) to answer an easy2answer question,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        it is YOU who sires crickets

      • Charles Vincent

        What question? The one you’ve consistently seemed to overlook when I reply?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        scroll to the top————-
        “whats ur opinion of what that church did”
        ————————————————————–
        saying its NOT a controversy is NOT an answer– its eschewment OF an answer
        YOUR opinion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, of what the church did ( rifles raffles)
        ” rifles raffles”………….. has a nice ring 2 it

      • Charles Vincent

        I did I don’t care that they raffled them off. What part of I don’t care are you having a problem understanding?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        chuckles!!! allow me to give U these examples to ( doubtfully) help:
        (A) whats my opinion of a church raffling off a GUN or two to extricate funds under the guise of praising a dead guy?
        ….answer– I think that all is fair in accumulating money but using a gun shows lack of thinking in a grand picture: if said gun(s) are used illegally and even KILL someone illegally the CHURCH– and rightwing activity– will have serious consequences
        **************************************************************
        (B) whats My opinion on scumbags such as glenn beck/al Sharpton/ rush Limbaugh and jesse Jackson stoking their “interest groups” to maintain whatever BS they are selling?
        …..answer– the American way is to make MONEY any way U can; but these 4 guys deserve a physical beating for the problems they cause directly and indirectly.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        see? easy to do! give a REAL opinion; not some crybaby crapola that spins away from something U just don’t like to discuss

      • Charles Vincent

        I don’t care what they raffle off it’s their business and their right to do so how is that concept hard to understand…
        They broke no laws doing so what is the problem?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        is your fave group the spinners???????????????????????????????????????

      • Charles Vincent

        You can call it what you will but it doesn’t change the fact that I don’t care what they raffled off this whole thing is a nontroversy people have been ruffling property of for a long time how is this any different.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        I do appreciate the consistency of regressives.
        you sir Charles are a perfect example of rightwing regression. Keep up the splendid “work”

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        absurd when u get your steayopygous Nubian ass kicked by participation

      • Charles Vincent

        I have a good time watching you chase your tail over a complete nontroversy… just saying.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        the sweeeeet statement of a sturgeon who will NOT answer a direct question
        ———————————————————————
        steatopygous popinjay

      • Charles Vincent

        I answered it but you seem to have developed cognitive dissonance as a result of my answer.

        But here it is again “I don’t care” you and the author are making drama like a bunch of school girls over something that’s a nontroversy.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        again,,,,,,,,,,,,, lard ass ( mentally at least) has avoided a simple simple question
        ========================================
        you sir; are a moron

      • Charles Vincent

        The answer is there and it’s I don’t care. Sorry you missed it.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        U cannot care,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, facts annoy fat shitbags such as U
        ============================================
        did I say “fat”???

      • Charles Vincent

        Really it wouldn’t matter if it was a local super market raffling them off the whole thing is just cooked up drama by people that have nothing better to do. In fact I have seen better journalism put out by the national enquirer.

      • Me

        Thanks for the clarification there, Chuckles. But I still disagree.

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s perfectly fine.

  • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

    Im willing 2 wager that JESUS would prefer ATTRACTION over PROMOTION
    —————————————————————————————–
    which is another reason white trash religious regressives would SHOOT Christ if he appeared today

  • Mr Smith

    People are only as good as the bait you use. If their there just for the weapons, they wont be coming back to hear someone get all preachy about some guy they don’t care about in the first place.

  • Steve Temke

    People who can’t or won’t see the irony in a Christian church using lethal weapons as a “draw” to get folks in the door are either blind or just willfully ignorant.

    • Charles Vincent

      Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial
      …35And He said to them, “When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” 36And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.”
      Luke 22:36
      A sword is a lethal weapon you fail to grasp the vacuousness of your statement.

      • Steve Temke

        You see, that’s the problem with the bible. There are contradictory statements to the point where someone could justify nearly any position they want it to. And why is that? Because the “bible” is a collection of writings from different centuries and by different authors and they’re thrown together by men with a specific agenda…and they get around the fact that it wasn’t written by any one holy person by simply saying that it was “inspired by God.” What a load of crap.

        I stand by my statement above, but in your case I think the ignorant part fits for you, Chuckles.

      • Charles Vincent

        It’s only contradictory because you can’t discern the difference between literal and figurative wording. Firstly you have to realize the bible is about contracts some were with the Jews and god and some were between god and the Gentiles you really should do better research Steve. This is basic and you can’t grasp it so you call me ignorant like a first grader on a playground that didn’t get his way, grow up.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        is that the same JEEEESUS that ( historically) we know NOTHING regarding about 92.5% of his life???
        THATS the “god” that idiotic cretins “follow”?
        ===========================================
        I want my tithe back

      • Charles Vincent

        Well I thought you didn’t go to church so how can you have given a tithe?
        Not talking historically that’s a straw man argument.

  • Me

    What would Jesus shoot?

    • Stephen Barlow

      ROTFLMAO!!!!

  • Stephen Barlow

    This is the NEW NORMAL, courtesy General G W Bush.