Moms With Guns Founder Posts Obama Picture on Facebook Asking ‘Where is Assassin When You Need One’

Kathy Perkins showing off guns with Girl Scouts. (fair use image via social media)

Kathy Perkins showing off guns with Girl Scouts. (fair use image via social media)

Anyone who follows my writing knows how I feel about gun nuts. In short, I think they’re mentally ill lunatics who shouldn’t even be allowed to own guns. Gun fanatics often claim that it’s not guns who kill people, but people suffering from mental illness who do. Well, in my opinion, people who obsess over inanimate lethal objects and seem to live in such constant fear that they feel the need to carry a loaded gun with them while running basic errands are mentally ill.

Especially those individuals who think gun ownership is meant for some kind of violent overthrow of our government.

Well, Moms With Guns Demand Action founder Kathy Perkins posted a picture on her Facebook page of President Obama’s recent trip to Texas, with the caption “Where is an assasin (sic) when you need one?”

Yes, even while posting something as ignorant as that, she apparently couldn’t even spell “assassin” correctly.  Apparently the complexities of spellcheck have once again eluded a right-wing fanatic.

According to the Moms With Guns website, their mission is:

By Remaining Armed Moms of America We will NOT be Victims!!! Our Mission is to Normalize the Open Carrying Of FireArms in the State of Texas and Inspire Other States to Normalize the same. We are Law Abiding Citizens of this Great Republic of the United States of America from ALL walks of life.

In other words their mission is to take our society back to the 1800’s, similar to the wild west where people often carried guns holstered to their hips.  You know, when deadly shootouts were a common way to settle a disagreement.

The image itself was a side by side of President Obama at a local restaurant in Texas next to an image of Rick Perry getting photo-ops at the U.S. Mexico border for his 2016 presidential campaign assessing the situation at the border, with the statement, “President Obama snacks on some TX BBQ while Gov. Perry tours TX border.  So who’s really out of touch here?”

You know, because riding around on a boat at the Texas border with a backwards hat on and a bullet proof vest really has a lot to do with the law signed in 2008 by President George W. Bush detailing how legally we have to handle immigrants from non-contiguous countries.

Which is the real catalyst as to why so many immigrants from South and Central America have been coming here the last few years.

And while I’d say this woman’s post was shocking – it’s really not.  I’ve heard people say similar things here in Texas quite frequently.  Just the other day while I was out I heard a woman tell a man, “Yeah, that fucking assh*le Obama is to blame for it. I wish he’d just die.”

Not exactly sure what she was referring to, but the statement itself is the general feeling I get from many conservatives here in Texas and I’m sure all across the country.

I say with absolute certainty had this image not been taken down there would have been plenty more comments in agreement with the notion expressed by Perkins.

Then again, what should we expect from a bunch of people who are so mentally unstable that they feel the need to carry semi-automatic assault rifles with them nearly everywhere they go?

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.


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  • Jo Clark

    She’s just showing us where the term “white trash” came from.

    • William Fite

      And you are just showing us where the term “moron” came from.

  • Elizabeth Cosgrove

    Someone needs to contact GSUSA regarding that image. Nothing in that image is in alignment with their principles

  • thesquire1

    It would be so interesting to see a traditionally dressed Muslim doing the same thing !!!

  • mingkee

    This is how “domestic terrorists” look like. We still remember Tim McVeigh 23 years ago, right?

  • Mike Hughes

    Regardless of ones feelings/opinions about President Obama, he is STILL our President! I seem to recall a certain country group, The Dixie Chicks who simply said that they were embarrassed that former Pres. Bush was from Texas, and were lambasted by Republicans everywhere, and boycotted, having their career virtually ruined. But now because those same morons hate the black President, it’s ok to wish death on him. How ironic. Whether you support him or not, he’s a human being and a husband, son, father… wishing he would die is simply disgusting and reprehensible. People make me sick.

    • paul

      Obama is responsible for murdering tens of thousands of innocent civilians, men, women , children, elderly all around the world even in countries that we are not at war with…so someone wishing him dead is to me, understandable.

      • Mike Hughes

        Well your beloved Bush was responsible for thousands of American deaths and countless deaths around the globe, but y’all still treat him like the second Messiah. Get over it. Admit you just hate the black man.

      • Daniel Forgerani

        you’re a moron.

      • Gwynne

        “Tens of thousands of innocent civilians”? Do you happen to have any link that can support your claim…or did you just decide to pull that “fact” out of thin air because it made you feel smart? The only president of this nation that has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians happens to be “w” and his minions, and all of that group should be in prison for war crimes for which they have been found guilty!

      • Matthew Reece

        Actually, all presidents since World War II have gotten the blood of thousands of civilians on their hands.

      • Lib_IN_YOUR_FACE

        I wish people that posted stuff like this would bother sharing their data, not just their ‘opinions.”

      • Charles Vincent

        Its a case of simple history libby, one only need look instead of remaining willfully ignorant of the fact.

      • Diane

        The only history you speak of Charles Vincent, is that your history is simply wrong and you are just willfully ignorant of any facts

      • Charles Vincent

        Really do tell and bring some actual fact Diane because I can show numbers and I can do it in spades.
        below is a paper by MIT professor Noam Chomsky detailing the crimes of presidents since WW2
        http://www DOT chomsky DOT info/talks/1990—- DOT htm

      • BobLoblaw

        It won’t happen. It is just talking points they hear on the TV.

      • Pithy Eponym Here

        200,000 died on the Shores of Normandy and that was General Eisenhower’s decision. Later he became President.

      • Joe Serblin

        Gwynn, don not bother to argue with people who post comments like this. They probably read a MEME on facebook that said this and believe it as a fact. Regardless of what actual facts you could present this person, they will still believe what they want to believe and will continue spewing lies. Don’t waste your breath.

      • FOOSE194

        Same could be argued about you Joe and where you pull your facts. No matter the political party you are affiliated threatening the President with assignation is wrong whether it’s George W. Bush when he was in office or the current president.

      • pattie541

        Hmmm, how can you threaten a president or anyone else with “assignation”? Maybe an overly ambitious appointments secretary? If you mean “assassination,” you might want to rethink your implication that those who feel “W” did a crappy job as president (count me among those) wanted to see him die. I don’t recall hearing anyone saying that. Been watching Faux News too much?

      • William Fite

        Pattie541, you might want to do a Google search. There were plenty on the left who wanted to see Bush die, they still do. I did and found plenty of pictures showing that very thing.

      • thomasbone63

        Thats a damn lie. You have not found shi*.

      • William Fite

        That is not a lie sir. There are plenty. I ask you to do the same. Google it, the facts are there for you to see.

      • Diagonotter

        I would guess Foose194, is just the unwitting victim of auto correct, so petty insults seems, well, petty. It’s also seems to me, Foose, would say to those who threatened W are wrong to do it as well.

      • Nancy B

        Sorry pattie. But there were many people who stated they wanted to see W dead. It’s wrong no matter who does it.

      • Pithy Eponym Here

        Direct threats and calls for violence are different from indirect wishes of ill will.

      • William Fite

        Google it, you will see many signs that claim to want Bush dead. Or are you going to be lazy like many on this site?

      • Pithy Eponym Here

        Wanting something is different from calling for a direct action thereof. I could say “I want X to walk in front of a bus”, which is different from saying “I want a bus driver to run X over”. One is accidental happenstance, the other is willful harm. Assassination falls under willful harm to. Language, many facets many meanings. Dig it.

      • Nancy B

        Yes they are. But pattie said “wanted to see him die” in reference to W. So not sure what your point is.

      • Pithy Eponym Here

        Assignation, as in assigning the President something? Or assassination? Lol. Yeah when you start making threats to one President and it gets a pass, then all Presidents and politicians are at risk even the ones you like.

      • Nick Wride

        He got it from Fox “News” and redneck radio. Paul is too far gone over the edge of sanity to be helped.

      • FOOSE194

        Same could be said for you Gwynne where did you pull your facts out of to back up your response to mike’s comments..

      • 2Smart2bGOP

        I think it was pulled from some very tightly clenched orifice.

      • Stephen Barlow

        The guys never have proof, because there is no truth in them. They are all going to liars and cowards heaven, which has an Olan Mills portrait of Jesus on the door and one of those big orange construction site trash chutes straight to heel one step inside.

      • rebecca

        Well ,here is the article on the mentally ill example. I wonder when Bush was sending our boys over and getting them killed or wait ,when on September 11 th, 2001 he let our citizens die because he was too stupid or lazy or both to read the MEMO. You are an example of the stupidity and ignorance and total denial of facts from the right.

      • mike

        My pet goat.

      • Marilyn Olsen Scheffler

        And Bush? Not so much????? Let’s think about that! I have a suggestion for you. Maybe before you think of or make such a statement as you did, you might want to do a little research on your presidents and see how things measure up.

      • strayaway

        How US war deaths measure up:

        US Iraq dead 4222(94%) under Bush, 264(6%) under Obama

        US Afghanistan war dead 530(27%) under Bush, 1705(73%) under Obama

      • Pat

        can you post some facts on what your talking about Paul ?? Who has he murder what civilians, men, women , children, elderly all around the world what world ??? . What tens of thousands Can you give us the facts on what you say. ?? The only one we do know he did kill was Osama bin Laden.

      • Jeff Johnson

        Google “Obama drones civilians” for facts. It’s not tens of thousands bit he has greatly expanded the done program.

      • ChiMeng Chang

        Ladies & gentlemen, right wing nut jobs like Paul above is your typical pathetic uninformed, only Fox News watching, ignorant, troll that hates the Black man with a Muslim name in the White House. His reference to “murdering 10s of thousands of innocent civilians” comes from conspiracy theories and Ultra-Conservative bigots that create falsehood and will no factual evidence that could hold up in any sound court of law. The only way for our country to progress and grow is for people like Paul to simply DIE OUT!

      • Humma Kavula

        And to me, it STILL is wrong. If you were among the “Hallelujah Chorus” who called anyone who criticized Bush “traitors,” etc., then perhaps it’s time to drop the double standards and admit that this is a “Dems Bad, Republicans Good” thing with your side. This topsy-turvy world where everything on your side is the polar opposite of reality is getting older than a T-Rex turd.

      • Jackie730

        Link please!!

      • Diane

        Paul that is because you are a mental midget. Bush and Cheney killed several thousands of our soldiers and counless hundreds of thousands of Iraqis all in the name of making Halliburton and therefore Cheney much richer. We were not at war with Iraq until we invaded the country. Paul, why don’t you go to Iraq and/or Afghanistan so that you can say how wonderful the Bush/Cheney administration was and why they shouldn’t be in prison for life.

      • Charles Vincent

        Actually Bush had less than a thousand soldiers die while he was president.

      • Karen Tuttle

        and what president decided we should invade the wrong country and start a war?Bush is responsible for every soldier,man, woman and child that died in Iraq during his war of no reasons.

      • Charles Vincent

        And Obama escalated both Iraq and Afghanistan to the contrary of hist 2008 platform, which cost lives, he also statered proxy wars in Egypt, Syria, and Libya which cost people lives but I guess since they arent american they dont matter, at least that is what i get from your post.

      • DavidD


      • Charles Vincent

        Not really sorry you’re misinformed about the subject;

        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790

        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=EYeGCcFWxGU

        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=sBZP1Uy77c8

      • DavidD

        Even more nonsense.Nobody is buying today unless you call your buddies over to flood the site.

      • Charles Vincent

        Your welcome to your own opinion but you don’t get to make up your own facts.
        Whaaaa Nonsense whaaaaah grow a brain mouthbreather you have Zero facts and even less brain power.
        Google cognitive dissonance because you have a raging case of it.

      • Rebecca

        Punctuation is your friend.

      • Charles Vincent

        Ahh the proper English police…

      • Michael O’Brien

        Just because you say it, doesn’t make it a fact. Nor does siting a conservative net rag.

      • Charles Vincent

        Noam Chomsky isn’t conservative you retard and his interview was on BBC by a left wing interviewer, and neither is Jonathan Turley. What have you been huffing?

      • Mrs_oatmeal

        The stats say it was over 4000!

      • Charles Vincent

        http://www DOT justforeignpolicy DOT org/obamavsbush

      • 2Smart2bGOP

        Wow – step AWAY from the FOX “News.”

      • Hans Zippo

        God has killed millions of innocent people and yet most of the United States thinks he is great!

      • thomasbone63

        Paul, all I can say “you are one ignorant asshole”

      • Pithy Eponym Here

        No that would be Bush. Obama’s scorecard is not quite that high ( in terms of Af-Pak region) and attributing deaths in third world countries by internal wars. strife and piracy is just nuts.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Those innocent CAVE dwellers? or just the one’s housed by the Pakistani Army?

        Why are not the RNC members on your corpse list… because I would surely think you believe them ALL to be innocent.

        Just because you can type it doesn’t make it true porch monkey. I mean if you really believe what you sat, why aren’t you cowboying up and toting your long guns down the Mall in DC and looking to “do the country a favor?”

        BEcause you are not only a liar, but a coward as well.

      • usorthem3

        So you supported Bush’s LIES to send 5000+ USA soldiers to die for NOTHING AND YOU PAID $3.7 TRILLION FOR THE SUPPORT. Typical GOP sycophant brainwashed TOOL.

    • Joe Serblin

      Well said.

    • darylhannah

      Mike, I must borrow this……it is so true

    • William Fite

      Mike sort of like how people on the left did the same to Bush. Bush is a husband, son, father and grandfather. Were you so upset when the left did that? Or how the left tried to ruin the career of Phil Robertson for comments he made.

      And can you explain why you have to bring up the skin color of the president, race baiting?

      • DavidD

        I don’t remember anybody on the left wanting to kill him.Even after he lost on the popular vote and stole the election nobody advocated violence.
        You lot has a new nutjob calling for violence about every week and the news is full of racial killings,threats and intimadation from your side.
        You create threats out of thin air,lie and say how much you love America while hating most of the people who live here.
        I’ve heard more fantastic nonsense from the right that it’s obvious you’ve lost all touch with reality and now scare yourself into idotacy.
        We bring up skin color because you obviously have problems with people of color having authority over you.We bring it up when you support White Supremacist.We bring it up because it is the rotten egg from which your policies are hatched.The anti abortion movement had it’s genesus from operatives involved with the white segregationist from Bob Jones University.The Southern Strategy was crafted to inflame and harness the same thing.We bring it up because you supress the vote of people of color and you always want to go to war with people with darker skin and/ or a different faith from you.

      • William Fite

        You have very selective memory or are just outright lying. I don’t know exactly which it is, but if I had to guess it would be outright lying. And for proof of the left doing the same is at this link. http://www DOT freerepublic DOT com/focus/news/2320615/posts

        And please give me proof the right is SPECIFICALLY suppressing the vote of anyone.

        We support white supremacists. Now that is funny. Ever heard of Robert Byrd. I don’t think he was a republican either.

        You say I have problems with people of color. You know nothing about me. So you have no proof of ANY KIND to back up that statement.

      • DavidD

        deleted without reading.

    • Stephen Barlow

      I find this reality disgusting. In Vietnam, well most of Asia in the 50’s and 60’s, there was a term, The Ugly Americans, which described this phenomenon EXACTLY. Only until Bush became General of an Invading imperialist Army, They didn’t live in America.

    • Pamela58

      Smart man. Thank you.

    • usorthem3

      Republicans live in a bubble of cognitive dissonance.

  • dutch163

    is what she said a threat that could be investigated?

    • Luke

      Yes, but unfortunately nothing will be done.

      The minute they actually do something about this sort of behavior, the right will scream about tyranny and whatnot.

      Because most crazy people own guns, it’s kind of a powder keg.

      • Humma Kavula

        You’re unfortunately correct, Luke. When those reports came out about domestic right wing extremists a few years back, and suggested our nation deal with them before they got out of hand, the conservative media went on a Bitch-And-Moan Bender about how it was “targeting conservatives.” A California Tea Party candidate stood before his supporters and shouted “I got one thing to say to you right wing extremists: We’re with you.” All the major talking heads (Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Savage, etc.) were talking about how Obama would act on this and “crack down on conservatives.”

        And people wonder why I think the American Media is about as trustworthy as a box of rocks.

  • Beth Gray

    I’m sure Ms. Perkins will be meeting with Secret Service agents very soon. Threatening the President is a federal offense for good reason. Ms. Perkins is just the tip of the nut job iceberg!

  • JR Riley

    Very disrespectful, I am ashamed to see her with Girl Scouts promoting this hateful agenda. Just goes to show that mouth is engaged & the brain is shut downed.

  • John Lines

    Supporting this sort of thing can only lead to public insurrection, and not only will troops come to Texas, the citizens of Texas might even be conceived as a threat to healthy normal American families ,and civil war will erupt. It has on an emotional level already. Shooting each other is the resort of sick mindless individuals. The reason the pledge of allegiance should not be repeated at all is because we are completely divisible. Nothing about that applies toyou and me any more.

    • DavidD

      Most Texans ,the vast majority are just like the rest of the country.Hell,for every native there are 30 it seems came from somewhere else.Most of us are urban now just like you .
      Don’t let a few nuts and losers scare you.They will overplay their hand and the Rangers will take care of them.
      Unlike the BLM they won’t back down like the RW nutjob Republic of Texas found out some years back.(BTW everyone of them wern’t born here but came here from somewhere else).The one that showed fight was killed on the spot.
      Left and right we won’t tolerate unlawful behavior.Warren Jeffs had some militant followers too but he is salted away and nary a peep out of them.They knew the consequences would be immediate and dire.The Department of Public Safety here will try to talk but if you want to fight you will not find them unwilling.This is how it should be.They are not hired to be targets.
      They knew the DPS would deal out death on the spot.
      If we had handled Koresh there would not have been a gun battle.They just would have snatched him when he came to town for a beer..

  • William Fite

    The outrage from the left. Where was their outrage when the left did the same?

    • worrierking

      I’m getting old and maybe I missed that. Could you elaborate?

      • William Fite

        Just google “liberal signs against Bush”. View images and see what you get. I am sick and tired of the left complaining and race baiting. The left did it just as much, if not more, than what the right are doing right now.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        You’re completely delusional. And are you sick and tired of the race-baiting from the right, which is pretty much all of the race-baiting?

      • worrierking

        I don’t remember any liberals carrying guns and selling fucking cookies. But, then, you know me, I’m getting old. (For once I’m pointing my hateful ageism at myself).

      • Andy_Kreiss

        The wingnuts aren’t even bright enough to say that there was some harsh criticism of W, which there was, and which would be reasonable. The quantity could be overlooked.

        They’re such morans that they always feel the need to go with some fantasy about Bush having it way worse from the media and his detractors. How do they think that’s even gonna play with normal people?

        But I did like his complaining about being sick of complaining from other people, right in the middle of that whiny post that wasn’t really much more than complaining about imaginary things.

      • William Fite

        Now you are being completely false intentionally or an ignorant low information leftist. I guess you did not see my post about the left and the hate they showed Bush. I guess you were to high during the Bush years to see how the media treated Bush. And yes it will play well with normal people. As someone once said, “liberalism is a disease.”

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Yeah, I saw your post. You told somebody to Google something, because you realized you were full of shit.Bush was treated with kid gloves by the media, and any “hate” toward him was based on things that actually happened, as opposed to the much more prevalent hate directed at Obama, based mostly on imaginary things.

        You have no idea what normal people think, and your idea that liberalism is a disease is destroyed by your idiotic comments here. You’re obviously the sick one. That’s not a silly baseless opinion, like yours, it’s objectively proved right here.

      • William Fite

        Did you google it? If not then you are a complete fool. Just shows how ignorant the left can be. It’s unfortunate, the left used to be good.

        You think the media treated him with kid gloves? Sort of like how the liberal media lied for Obama during a debate.

        What a fool you are.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        No, I was alive, and paying attention, during the reign of the Bush crime family, I don’t need to Google some signs. He was treated like a baby by the press, and coddled by the Democrats

        No, I’m not a fool for not doing your work for you, dumbass. You failed, Own it.

        How do you think the media lied for Obama in a debate? When that woman corrected Mittens when he lied? Oh, My!, the media didn’t accept a righty lie! Liberal bias!!

      • William Fite

        Why won’t you Google it, afraid of the truth? I am starting to feel sorry for you now.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Why won’t you provide some empirical evidence showing that the media was harder on Bush, instead of lame requests for me to Google something? Afraid of the truth? Are you really stupid enough to think that searching the web for some anti-Bush signs would prove anything?

        I like when wingnuts tell me that they feel sorry for me as I’m destroying them. It makes me smile.

      • Jillz

        I googled it – it’s mostly pictures of citizens with vile anti-Bush signs. I didn’t notice any pictures of media or politically based organizations in the pictures though.

      • William Fite

        So those protests were not created by politically based organizations. Ever heard of the group called A.N.S.W.E.R.? There was a protest in San Francisco in which these signs were carried. They are a political group.

      • William Fite

        Since you are being too lazy to do some research, here is a study that I found.

        http://www DOT journalism DOT org/2009/04/28/obamas-first-100-days/

        Feeling even more sorry for you now.. Not only are you being ignorant, but you are even lazy. Typical liberal, needing a conservative to do his work for him.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        You should have somebody teach you how to post a link. Typicl teabagger, too stupid to competently link to something that most likely doesn’t support what he’s claiming anyway.

      • Jillz

        The Dixie Chicks almost lost their career for publicly criticizing Bush; Ted Nugent was seen as a right-wing hero (until they wised up) for publicly threatening Obama. The media is definitely harder on Obama than they were on Bush – at least criticism of Bush was based in reality for the most part; the same can’t be said of the media treatment of Obama, which seems to be based mostly on exaggerated or false right wing talking points.

        During the debate, Mitt Romney, repeated a right wing talking point which was untrue and Candy Crawley corrected him. It wasn’t a lie “for” Obama.

      • William Fite

        You may be right about the gun part, liberals are to big of wimps to be able to handle a gun. But then again if you look at most of the gun violence that has happened in America it is coming from the left. Yea they are wimps, they don’t know what guns are to be used for legally. But they do sell cookies.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Liberals are too wimpy to handle guns, and most gun violence is coming from them. Are you just trying to sound like an idiot now?

      • William Fite

        Just proving you are an idiot. Can’t even respond to my comment without taking it out of context. Typical liberal idiot.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Please explain what you imagine I took out of context, dumbo. Be specific.

      • William Fite

        I guess you forgot the part where I stated “yea they are wimps, they don’t know what guns are to be used for legally.”

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Gotcha. The part that I didn’t even mention, that’s the part that I took out of context.You’re not very bright, are you?

      • William Fite

        Are really that stupid or do you just play one here on this site? When you intentionally leave out a part of the context of a post, you are taking something out of context. Your are such a dumb___ (fill in the blank). Good day sir, since I have been debating you my IQ has dropped, but it is still not as low as yours.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        You haven’t really done anything here but type a pile of barely-coherent half-thoughts and requests for other people to do your work for you. But it’s almost cute that you imagine you were “debating”. Cute, but also an alarming demonstration of the dumbing down of America that’s happening on the right.

      • Get it together

        Actually if you researched his post you’d find a large portion of the mass murders going back through history have been committed by registered Democrats.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        That may or may not be true. Sounds like the sort of irrelevant factoid that would interest petty partisan hacks. Not sure how it explains people too wimpy to handle guns doing a bunch of killing.

      • Get it together

        Call it what you wish. I was astonished to learn that despite the rwnj title we get, it actually seems most of the lunatics are from the left.

      • Get it together

        Gun Control that makes sense.

        In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States .

        In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States, who later died from the wound.

        In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States .

        In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States .

        In 1981 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States .

        In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

        In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

        In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

        In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria.

        In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

        In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

        In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US .

        In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

        In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.

        Nidal Malik Hasan (born September 8, 1970) is a former United States Army psychiatrist and Medical Corps officer who fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others in the Fort Hood mass shooting on November 5, 2009.[3] At his court-martial in August 2013, Hasan admitted to the shootings.[4][5] A jury panel of thirteen officers convicted him of 13 counts of premeditated murder, 32 counts of attempted murder, and unanimously recommended Hasan be formally dismissed from the service and sentenced to death. He was a registered democrat who was also on Obama’s transition team in 2008

        In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.

        In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

        In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis .

        In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school.

        As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.

        One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does not. Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

        And just a few weeks ago an angry puerto-rican leftist democrat killed 4 people on fort hood!

        And yet ANOTHER leftist 22 year old virgin stabbed 3 and shot another 3 people to death in california,

        No NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservatives were involved.

        SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns because they are all mentally ill to begin with.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        No wonder you were “astonished to learn” this. It’s a big steaming pile of BS.

        I realize you just plagiarized this from some nutty right wing blog, or an email from Grandpa, but even a full-blown teabagger should have had enough of a functionning BS detector to see how ridiculous this is.

        That doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re a stupid person. It was just propaganda that appealed to your emotions, you wanted to believe it so badly that your critical thinking shut down.

        There are a lot of amazing things in the Universe, GIT. And sometimes these things are astonishing, even though they’re true.

        But it’s always a good idea, when you hear ( or “learn”) something that astonishes you because it seems to contradict reality so severely, to check it out, and make sure you’re not being suckered with lies.

        It might save you from embarrassing yourself like this in the future.

      • Get it together

        It may be. If I get time to sort through it I’ll let you know what I find out.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Better late than never, I guess.

        And while I encourage you to look into this to see how much of it is just made up, before you do that, just read over it using your common sense, and ask yourself how many things are wrong with it.

      • Get it together

        Lol. I guess. I don’t have anything against anyone on here. I’ve seen crazies on both sides. I hope I’m a little more balanced because honestly I’ve heard conversations on the right and left and wanted to beat my head off the wall. But calling people names is really not helping the situation (not directed at you). The media and politicians like it that way. While we are out here spewing crap at each other they are sitting in their lavish homes laughing their ass off at us.

        Peace brother.

      • William Fite

        You say I am delusional? Now that is funny, especially when the left is always calling Justice Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, Alan West white or Uncle Toms. You have a one hour show on MSNBC that is nothing but race baiting hosted by Al Sharpton. The democrats even elected a former KKK leader as their majority leader. Yes I am sick and tired of the left lying about how they race bait or even claim not to be racist, like you are claiming with your ignorant post.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Calling somebody an Uncle Tom isn’t necessarily racist, no matter how much the right tries to convince themselves of it. It’s mostly the opposite, as an Uncle Tom is generally somebody who appeases racists. Make a note of that.

        I don’t have a show on any channel, but I’d bet good money that what you consider “race-baiting” is the same thing that most racists mean when they use that term… a black guy talking about racism.

        Robert Byrd was briefly affiliated with the KKK about 70 years ago, about the time the last Pope was in the Hitler Youth. Time and place, try to catch up with the past half century or so.

        You’re sick and tired of the truth, and things that happen only in your mind. Yes, I say you’re delusional, and you just gave me a lot of support.

      • William Fite

        In my humble opinion, once a racist always a racist. Robert Byrd was/is a racist.

        I never said you had a show. Read my post again. I was talking about Al “race-baiting” Sharpton.

        Robert Byrd was not briefly associated with the KKK, he was a leader.

        Calling an African American an Uncle Tom or calling them white is racist. Do you even know what the definition of racism is?

      • Andy_Kreiss

        That’s good, that you’re humble about your opinion that somebody can’t change over a half century. It’s a really stupid

        William Fite (2 hours ago)You have a one hour show…

        Willia Fite (9 minutes ago)I never said you had a show.


        I don’t think Byrd was connected to the KKK for very long. You didn’t provide anything to dispute that. Either way, it was in the first half of the 20th century, lets try to talk about current events.

        Calling a black person an Uncle Tom, again, isn’t racist, no matter how hard racists want to think so. I don’t know why you’re bringing up calling black people white. You seem to be flailing.

        Yeah, I have a pretty good idea of what racism is. You seem confused.

      • William Fite

        I guess you don’t know how to read. I specifically stated, “You have a one hour show on MSNBC that is nothing but race baiting hosted by Al Sharpton.” Do you understand now what I said or are you just going to keep losing any kind of credibility you might have had. I am using the pronoun “you” to describe that there is a TV show, not you specifically.

        I guess you don’t listen to the news and only get your information from people who want to keep you ignorant. Try reading this article about how Harry Reid said Justice Thomas is white. http://www DOT washingtontimes DOT com/news/2014/jul/10/reid-lambasted-black-conservatives-after-calling-j/

        Is calling a black person Uncle Tom a derogatory towards black people?

        Robert Byrd was in the Klan from the early 40’s to the early 50’s. He recruited over 150 people to start a new chapter. So yes Robert Byrd was very active.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        OK, you were saying “You have a show…” in the sense of “You got your so and so..”, just meaning that there is a show. And in your subjective opinion, that show is nothing but race-baiting. So, this, what, one hour a day (?) that the right claims nobody watches, this is what you’re sick and tired of?

        Your link to the Harry Reid thing is no good. And it doesn’t really sound like “news”.Not falling for every little race issue from the right doesn’t make one “ignorant”.

        Calling an individual a name based on their behavior isn’t derogatory to anybody but that person.

        You’re still stuck half a century behind. What do you imagine were the typical Republican’s views on race back then? And by your own (unsupported) figures, Byrd supposedly recruited about 15 per year. That doesn’t sound very active.

        Extra Credit Bonus Question: How many U.S. presidents were members of the KKK, and what party did they belong to?

      • William Fite

        Bonus question answer. Two Warren G. Harding (R) and Harry S. Truman (D).

        1. My use of showing Al Sharpton was an example of one. There are many more. Lawrence O’Donnell, Ed Schultz, and many more.

        2. If a republican called a black person white they would be called a racist. Seen it happen when someone says that Obama is half white. So yes what Harry Reid said was racist. Reid said the five white guys voting in favor. There were only four white guys. So he was calling the ONLY black guy on the Supreme Court white. He was using it to be derogatory when he said it. So yes it was a racist comment.

        3. I guess you can’t read still. He recruited them to BEGIN the group.

        Here is some good reading for you.

      • Andy_Kreiss

        The extra credit question wasn’t easy, since the Klan was pretty secretive, even back then, but others alleged to have connections are Woodrow Wilson (D), Coolidge (R) and McKinley (R).

        Which all mean pretty much nothing today, no more than Byrd’s connection. The last prominent politician I can think of who was openly connected was David Duke, who switched from (D) to (R) in order to follow the demographic that had made that switch. The Klan is a far-right, anti-communist, anti-gay, conservative Christian organization today.

        Your “example” of Sharpton was nothing, a vagur accusation based on your feelings. Your other “examples” are similarly worthless.

        Your whole “calling a black guy white” theme seems to be getting more incoherent the more you work on it. But good job playing the race card again.

        I’m not sure what you think the distinction is between recruiting some people ( again, a half century ago… do you keep missing this?) for a new chapter, or an existing chapter.

        You’re not doing very well here.

      • William Fite

        Here is the reading I tried to post previously.

        http://en DOT m DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics#Robert_Byrd

      • Andy_Kreiss

        Thanks for trying again. Maybe the third time’s the charm.*

        * But you probably shouldn’t kill yourself trying. It looks like you’re trying to link to something about Robert Byrd, something I’ve been trying to explain to you is completely irrelevant in the 21st century.

      • DavidD

        Look at the Southern Poverty Law Center web sites .The RW nut jobs aren’t just carrying signs.
        Your claim of victimhood and equivalency are opportunist nonsense.
        You have to go back forty years to find anything for the left and even back then it was nothing compared to the violence from the right.
        Hate has consequences and it’s coming from y’all as several organized campaigns.

    • Humma Kavula

      You mean like whenever someone on the left criticized Bush or called him things like “Cousin Jethro” or “the Chimp,” or even tried to criticize one point, while remaining supportive of him, your side of the aisle began shouting “traitors!!!” at them? You mean THAT outrage?!

      • William Fite

        No I meant the outrage when the left called Bush names like Hitler, pig, called for his death and so on. I did not see any outrage from the left then. And I can assume you were not very outraged about it yourself.

        Sort of like how the left calls Justice Thomas, Allen West or Dr. Ben Carson names like Uncle Tom or say they are not really African American but are white. Those kind of racist names the left like to use.

  • Nick Wride

    Ignorant rednecks. But, but, the Holy Babble says it’s ok to kill black people.

    • DavidD

      Rednecks came about as a class term used by the “quality” of the time to denote someone unlike them had to work for a living.
      It is ironic then that so many on the left now use it as an ethnic slur.
      By your standards I’m a redneck.I have had to work my whole life doing heavy physical labor.I’m Scot Irish and I speak differently from you.My culture is different.I live in a Southern state in a rural area.
      I’m also a Social Democrat and as such an Internationalist.
      Redneck,Hillbilly,White Trash are offensive to me and if you said them to me to my face would provoke an immediate negative response.
      We should judge people by their actions not who their parents are.
      Don’t come back saying i didn’t mean you.Would youi use that response to an African -American after using the N word.
      Both caste,race and class are problems on the left .Unlike the right we are supposed to not do these things.
      Would you want to work with me if I insulted your family?I’m not getting down on you because I think you are a bad person.I’m taking the time to discuss this with you because I’m assuming you are a good one.

  • worrierking

    This is acceptable behavior and encouraged by the same media whores who have been complaining about 2 scary black men with sticks since November 4th, 2008 at a polling place in Philadelphia. Maybe if they had guns, Fox and radio neuters would be cheering for them

    • DavidD

      People of color having guns is an entirely seperate issue.I’m old enough to remember the original Panthers being blown away in a short time by local law`enforcement coordinated by the FBI.
      Tolerance of guns stops at the color line.If a person of color showed up at a pro gun rally armed with no prior notice they would be in great danger of being blown away.

  • Moon Doggie

    After displaying her incredibly warped judgement (hinting that a presidential assassination would be welcome) on a viewable international forum, she shamelessly photo ops with a group of impressionable young girls while dressed in full controversial regalia. If I were these girls parents, I would take the Moms With Guns group to task. Only this is Texas, so who knows. Walgreens may be working overtime filling photo print orders so all the parents will have one to frame. Scary politics in that state.

  • Rocco Provocateur Ferretta

    these pubes and tea bags of shit are nuts !!!! this is why they will lose big in 2016 again it’s all i can do not to clock and knock the f–*k out one of these idiots !! going back to the joint is only reason

  • BobLoblaw

    >>By Remaining Armed Moms of America We will NOT be Victims!!! –

    Victims?? Of what? Freakin’ scared, paranoid idiots with guns are an embarrassment to my home state. Hate it!

    • Charles Vincent

      “Victims?? Of what?”
      Crimes like rape, assault, robbery, etcetera. You are an embarrassment to the human race.

      • BobLoblaw

        Well so far in my 47 years I have never been raped or robbed. Are you implying that at some point in everybody’s life they will be raped or robbed?
        I refuse to live my life being scared of my own shadow. Be aware of your surroundings, but don’t be paranoid about everything.

      • Bookwench

        72 years old..never been raped, assaulted, etc. Definitely think carrying around a gun all the time is just paranoid

      • Charles Vincent

        Lucky you but that isn’t the case for everyone. And your choices to do things the way you do is fine. Like I stated to Boblo it isn’t paranoid to take personal responsibility for ones own safety, security and well being. And it is certainly no more paranoid than having a fire extinguisher by the stove in case it starts a fire.

      • BobLoblaw

        You are right, I am not paranoid. I do take my own responsibility for my own safety security and well being.

      • Charles Vincent

        Your words here “Victims?? Of what? Freakin’ scared, paranoid idiots with guns are an embarrassment to my home state.”
        It’s OK for you but not for them…that’s priceless you should be really proud of that….

      • BobLoblaw

        I am.

      • Diane

        Wrong, wrong. How wrong can you be Charles? Most people who are going “to protect themselves” end up shooting themselves or their children or neighbors. I am secure without a gun because I don’t dwell on the “stand your ground” idiots.

      • Charles Vincent

        SO because you have never been raped or robbed you think it doesn’t happen?
        That’s the height of stupidity.
        This isn’t about being scared its about taking ownership of ones own safety, security and well being.

      • Bruce Veasey

        All statistics indicate being raped will occur by someone you know. I wonder if these gun worshiping women need to reconsider who they associate with.

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s pretty absurd and smacks of placing the blame on women for being raped.

      • tinydancer1209

        You mean like how after every tragedy all the gun nuts come out of their hovels and start posting about if the victims had a gun, the outcome would be different and everyone would be fine? Kind of like that victim blaming you mean?

      • Charles Vincent

        Not really that’s a straw-man argument. If they had a gun perhaps they wouldn’t have been victimized, instead another criminal would be in jail or 6ft under and they would be alive and able to enjoy life.

        “You mean like how after every tragedy all the gun nuts come out of their hovels”

        ^Also way to be an arrogant pontificating asshat^

      • BobLoblaw

        Never said that. And you are the one that keeps using a form of the word stupid.
        I have both, weapons and fire extinguishers.

      • Charles Vincent

        I beg to differ you did say that.

        “Well so far in my 47 years I have never been raped or robbed”


        “I refuse to live my life being scared of my own shadow. Be aware of your surroundings, but don’t be paranoid about everything.”

        Those statements along with your OP imply its stupid to have a gun to protect yourself.

        “I have both, weapons and fire extinguishers.”

        So it’s OK and sane and not paranoid for you to have them but it is when other people have them?
        Way to be not only a giant tool but a hypocrite as well.

      • BobLoblaw

        I do not go around waving my guns and fire extinguishers in peoples faces. Not being hypocritical at all, just responsible.
        You seem to be upset at my posts. What scares you?

      • Charles Vincent

        And you know the people you comment on flagrantly brandish their firearms?

        “Not being hypocritical at all”

        You are being a hypocrite you call them paranoid and imply its stupid for them to have a weapon and that its paranoid to take responsibility for their own safety all the while saying its OK for you to have a weapon etcetera.

        “You seem to be upset at my posts.”

        Not upset, I think you’re and ignorant hypocrite based on your statements here.

        “What scares you?”
        The type of arrogant ignorance and hypocrisy of people like you.

      • BobLoblaw

        Ok then, you tell me why do you think all these people have started open carrying rifles and smiling for the camera. AND post threatening messages about the POTUS

      • Charles Vincent

        Is there something wrong with open carry? Did you not know that it used to be law that if you didn’t have your firearm you could be fined when you were out? And how exactly is open carry any differen than CCW? Also is there something wrong with putting a smiling face on to promote the exercise of a natural right?

      • BobLoblaw

        OH please. Don’t act stupid about what is happening. And yes I do think there is something wrong with open carry. It’s called intimidation. CCW is completely different.
        I live in the present, not the past. Just because something happened a very long time ago does not mean it should happen now.
        We all know now that whole bad guy with a gun vs. a good guy with a gun doesn’t work.

      • Charles Vincent

        You’re not very bright are you. It isnt intimidating for people to open carry you seem to have what Freud called Hopolophobia and are displaying a serious deficit in emotional maturity. Are you intimidated by the dark and the Boogie man as well?

        “We all know now that whole bad guy with a gun vs. a good guy with a gun doesn’t work”

        ^^This is demonstrably false.^^

        Here is a link that shows stories in the media that prove you are not only wrong but cant see past the end of your own nose;
        https://www DOT google DOT com/search?q=good+guy+with+a+gun+stops+intrufer%2Fassailant&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

      • BobLoblaw

        You are boring me. I am not looking for an argument.
        It is a beautiful day and I am heading out to the lake.
        Have a lovely safe day, Mr. Vincent.

      • Charles Vincent

        And you as well.

      • Brian

        So murder is how one should stop a murderer. What a horrible vision of society you have.

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s some serious hyperbole. Let me lay it out for you everyone has a right to life, and with that right comes the right to protect it(ones Life and the life of others) this is not a new concept you can see it in nature and in the entirety of human history.

      • Brian

        You kill a man, self-defense or not, you still killed a man. Dead. Why’d you do it? Was it necessary? Probably not. You don’t really know. You don’t see things the same way afterwards.
        There’s other ways. Nonlethal ways. Diplomatic ways. You’re not any better than the intruder once you pull the trigger.

      • Charles Vincent

        If its my life or his because he is trying to harm my person hes done and deserves what happened. IF you threaten me or my friends family or people in general I will bring ferocious and overwhelming force to you and by what ever means necessary to stop and attackers assault.

        “There’s other ways. Nonlethal ways. Diplomatic ways. You’re not any better than the intruder once you pull the trigger.”
        I am not saying there aren’t other ways, I am however saying that a firearm is another tool in that tool box of options and I don’t think you or I Have a right to limit other peoples options.

      • Brian

        “If its my life or his because he is trying to harm my person hes done and deserves what happened. IF you threaten me or my friends family or people in general I will bring ferocious and overwhelming force to you and by what ever means necessary to stop and attackers assault.”

        That’s what I wanted to hear. I knew it. It’s there, whether you admit it to yourself or not. The bloodlust. The power. It’s what keeps you from seeking other solutions. It’s what makes you reach for the gun first. I love it Vincent, that anarcho-libertarian bull you spout only ever comes up when it regards guns. Someone mentions guns and you’re right on it. That’s how I know you’re not really a troll like they say. You don’t really care about the free society or whatever. You just want to make sure you can keep that power, and maybe, if you’re lucky, get the chance to legally see what it’s like to be a god.

      • Charles Vincent

        I dont crave power over others just power to live my life how I see fit, not how you or others think I should live I have no issues with you living by a system of your design. I just dont want you to utilize government to force me or others to abide by your system.
        This is evident if you read the writings of John Locke and Thomas Hobbes.

      • Get it together

        Brian, if someone is trying to murder me or my family I prefer the most effective and efficient means of stopping them. I can go to bed at night and sleep just fine knowing that hurts your vision of society. My vision is giving my family safety and security, not providing safety for an idiot breaking in to my home with intent to harm. Yes he will have been warned. So long as he can read the stickers on the doors and windows stating “The locks are for your protection, not mine.”

      • Diane

        Charles when a person is open carrying it is intimidating because they are just trying to show they are macho men and/or women. If they need to do this then they definitely have a mental defect and are basically cowards.

      • Get it together

        Actually some open carry because concealed carry is illegal while open carry is not.

      • ed6305

        Maybe you are right about having guns being worn on the outside.
        Do you think Obama can pass an ‘executive order’ making it a law for criminals to wear their guns on the open too? I mean, it’s only fair!

      • Diane

        Open carry is not a natural right, it is a paranoid, cowards way to not pee their pants constantly when someone says boo.

      • Charles Vincent

        “Open carry is not a natural right,”

        You haven’t a clue about natural rights and apparently haven’t read the second amendment to the Constitution.

        here is the applicable text ” the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

        The operative text we are looking for here is to “keep and Bear arms”

        bear arms indicates to the following
        10. bear arms,
        a. to carry weapons.

      • ed6305


      • Diane

        Most any hairbrained gun owner loves to brandish their guns. With men it is a penis replacement, probably with these women too who wish they had penises. Stupid, stupid people.

      • Charles Vincent

        You sound like a female Chauvinist when you utter things like that.
        “Most any hairbrained gun owner loves to brandish their guns.”
        Hmm I was unaware that having a firearm in a holster or slung on your back was “brandishing” considering the definition of the word brandish anyway.

        bran·dish [bran-dish]

        verb (used with object)
        1. to shake or wave, as a weapon; flourish: Brandishing his sword, he rode into battle.

        2. a flourish or waving, as of a weapon.

        1275–1325; Middle English bra ( u ) ndisshen < Anglo-French, Middle French brandiss- (long stem of brandir, derivative of brand sword < Gmc). See brand, -ish2
        Related forms
        bran·dish·er, noun

        1. swing, flaunt, wield, display.
        World English Dictionary

        brandish (ˈbrændɪʃ)

        — vb
        1. to wave or flourish (a weapon) in a triumphant, threatening, or ostentatious way

        — n
        2. a threatening or defiant flourish

        [C14: from Old French brandir , from brand sword, of Germanic origin; compare Old High German brant weapon]

        Seems to me you're projecting a bit and that you're the one that's stupid here.

      • ed6305

        Like I stated before. You deserve a treat and a visit to downtown Chicago or Detroit.
        Maybe, after being targeted by a resident criminal and you discover the 911 call will not be responded to for another hour or two, you might feel differently about owning a gun to protect yourself.
        Trust me, in this situation, you will not be reaching for a ‘penis’ or be concerned about what brand of gun you purchased, nor will you feel like a stupid, stupid person – unless, of course, when you reach for a gun, you suddenly realize you have neither a gun or a ‘penis’ to protect yourself!
        Talk about ignorance, one can only think of you.

      • Brian

        “SO because you have never been raped or robbed you think it doesn’t happen? ”

        Just because a gun owner thinks it will happen to them doesn’t mean it ever will.

        “That’s the height of stupidity.”

        Ad hominem

        “This isn’t about being scared its about taking ownership of ones own safety, security and well being.”

        There are a great many other ways of doing it besides owning a firearm. This includes avoiding trouble, not carrying large amounts of cash, avoiding places where you might be attacked, pepper spray, mace, basic knowledge of self-defense, and many other ways.
        I believe if one needs a gun to feel safe and secure, they are somewhat pathetic.

        “And it is certainly no more paranoid than having a fire extinguisher by the stove in case it starts a fire.”

        Fire extinguishers are for putting out fire and saving lives in doing so. Guns are strictly for the purpose of taking lives. Bad comparison.

      • Charles Vincent

        “Fire extinguishers are for putting out fire and saving lives in doing so. Guns are strictly for the purpose of taking lives. Bad comparison.”

        Guns save lives so its a direct comparison.
        https://www DOT google DOT com/search?q=good+guy+with+a+gun+stops+intrufer%2Fassailant&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

        “Just because a gun owner thinks it will happen to them doesn’t mean it ever will.”

        Just because you own a home and have smoke detectors and a fire extinguishers doesn’t mean you will ever have a fire either, its a precaution just like having a firearm for self defense

        “This includes avoiding trouble, not carrying large amounts of cash, avoiding places where you might be attacked, pepper spray, mace, basic knowledge of self-defense, and many other ways.”

        And a firearm is one of those many ways. Just because it isn’t your choice doesn’t mean it isn’t right for others.

      • Brian

        “Guns save lives so its a direct comparison”

        A gun is a weapon and exists strictly for the purpose of killing. It is not for saving lives.

        “Just because you own a home and have smoke detectors and a fire extinguishers doesn’t mean you will ever have a fire either, its a precaution just like having a firearm for self defense”

        I call the fire department if there’s a fire. I don’t need a gun for self-defense and neither do most people if they actually care about it.

        “And a firearm is one of those many ways. Just because it isn’t your choice doesn’t mean it isn’t right for others.”

        I would argue a firearm is one of the worst choices possible for it. If I were a mugger, and I saw someone in my alley carrying a firearm openly, I would shoot him before he can draw it, take what I want, and leave. Why not? When a criminal kills the cop, the cop is dead before he can draw his gun. When a gun comes out, everything gets worse. When two people standing off each have a gun, someone will die.

      • Charles Vincent

        ” I don’t need a gun for self-defense and neither do most people if they actually care about it.”
        This is your opinion not a fact this also isn’t about what YOU do its about how others see fit to manage their own lives.

        Guns used in self defense don’t always kill there are statistics on this, guns have more than one use just like any other tool. You’re free to think how ever you want You are however not free to make choices for others its neither your business nor your right to do so in a Free society.

      • Brian

        “This is your opinion not a fact this also isn’t about what YOU do its about how others see fit to manage their own lives.”

        If killing others is what people see as the first solution, then I’m going to have to say that this is not an opinion. Anyone who claims they own a gun for self-defense has no real interesting in self-defense, only in quickly and efficiently ending a human life as a solution to a problem.

        “Guns used in self defense don’t always kill there are statistics on this, guns have more than one use just like any other tool.”

        A gun is not a tool. A gun is a weapon. There is a distinction there in that a tool is not made for the sole purpose of murder whereas a weapon is. Guns do not have more than one use, and that one use is inflicting mortal harm upon another living thing. Once you start denying what a gun actually is, a deadly weapon made for the sole purpose of taking a life, this is where delusions of grandeur and heroism and that “good guy with a gun” crap comes from.

        “You’re free to think how ever you want You are however not free to make choices for others its neither your business nor your right to do so in a Free society.”

        I’m free to judge others. I’m free to tell others they are wrong. And I’m free to vote for the people who will make sure guns stay out of the hands of those who intend to use them for inflicting harm on others. Your interpretation of a “free society” is not the same as mine, and you’ve little else to fall back on other than a personal interpretation 220 year old piece of paper.

      • Charles Vincent

        ” Your interpretation of a “free society” is not the same as mine, and
        you’ve little else to fall back on other than a personal interpretation
        220 year old piece of paper.”

        Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment. We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v.
        American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

        Justice Scalia
        United States Supreme Court
        District of Columbia v. Heller – 07-290 (2008)

        ” A gun is a weapon”

        A weapon by definition is a tool, Just like hammers and swords and knives etcetera saying different is Intellectually dishonest.

        “If killing others is what people see as the first solution, then I’m going to have to say that this is not an opinion. Anyone who claims they own a gun for self-defense has no real interesting in self-defense, only in quickly and efficiently ending a human life as a solution to a problem.”

        No one said killing is the first and only option that’s Hyperbole on your part. A gun is one option on the scale.

        http://www DOT nij DOT gov/topics/law-enforcement/officer-safety/use-of-force/Pages/continuum DOT aspx

        This scale police use is the same for private individuals and a gun and use of a gun is on that scale saying different is also intellectually dishonest

        “this is where delusions of grandeur and heroism and that “good guy with a gun” crap comes from.”

        Good people with a gun does save lives;

      • Get it together

        I worked for the FD for 30 years. Big fire department, not some tiny town. Waiting for the fire department is like waiting for the police department. It’s wasted time. That is one of the best qualities of a firearm just like a fire extinguisher. You still call for help but you have the ability to help yourself until help can get there. Regardless of what each was intended for when designed, each have the ability to save lives when needed.

      • Get it together

        Most use of guns by people who needed them in fact never fire a shot. The actual gun itself was enough deterrent for the criminal to leave the person alone.

      • Cemetery Girl

        Fascinating watching what appears to be a bunch of guys discuss how to avoid rape. You forgot the standards of don’t go out alone and don’t drink.
        In all seriousness, rape is like kidnapping or molestation in they are usually committed by someone the victim thinks they know. The odds of walking through a parking lot and being attacked are not as high as being attacked by someone that you think you can trust, at least trust to a certain level. Sitting on a couch, watching a movie with a guy you know, you aren’t likely to be wearing a gun (you are at home with someone you believe you can trust) so it won’t prevent an attack (even though that is more likely than a stranger attacking in a parking lot.) You run the risk of the person that you allow in your home (because you think you know them) knowing about your gun and using it against you.
        We need to get away from the idea of “stranger danger”. We don’t do our children justice by telling them that strangers are dangerous and the bad guys look like bad guys. Same goes for females. Ladies, the man that might decide to attack us probably isn’t going to be some creepy looking guy that looks at us while jogging or walking to our car. Odds are it will be someone we know. Someone we thought was OK. Maybe that guy you’ve been talking to for several months and think is kind of cute but you don’t know if he’s interested. Maybe it’s that guy that is a friend of a family member and you’ve known him so long he’s like family. Maybe it’s that guy you work with that has the wife that calls him everyday. Maybe it’s your currant boyfriend or your husband.

      • Charles Vincent

        Not sure what your point is as I wasn’t touching on any of that.


    WE ALL understand our first impulse to respond out of anger and strike with some sort of hurtful remark. this type of action has continued to seperate us further and further from our BROTHERS. WE ARE BROTHERS ARE WE NOT. to respond with a hurtful retort is absolutely understandable, but it is not helping us move toward the goal we so need… UNITY. we can have opposing opinions and not hate each other. as long as our focus is on this SURFACE relationship, we will never bridge the gap. THINK your nasty thoughts, own your nasty thoughts, FILTER your nasty thoughts, and then express your opinion that has a minute chance of opening a dialogue that is not destructive. there’s very little chance it will work… BUT IT IS THE ONLY CHANCE THAT WE HAVE!

  • rcass

    The Secret Service needs to investigate this woman, she’s advocating for the death of our President and advertising for an assassin.

    • BobLoblaw

      I bet they will. She better hope she has a clean background. Sure would be a shame if her pacifiers were taken away.

  • Teddy Allen

    These days, I don’t know what will kill you faster. A cabinet of Girl Scout Cookies or these crazy insecure gun nuts. Well, I guess it all depends on how big your cabinet is.

  • AngelaMH

    She’s mentally ill. However, the problem with these types is–they’re so far gone that they don’t recognize that they have a problem. Talk radio is all-too-happy to convince her that she’s the smartest person in the world as they stoke her ignorance and hatred with rodeo-clown propaganda. Have you listened to talk radio lately? They validate crazy. Batshit crazy. People this ignorant used to keep to themselves–out of embarrassment. Talk radio emboldens ignorant, unstable fools, while convincing them to hate liberals and to view one half of this country as unpatriotic, “Marxists” who want to destroy this country and take away their Bibles. Folks–we’ve got a 30 extremist contingent in this country. It’s sick and it’s dangerous.

  • DavidD

    A little time in one of our fine Texas facilities with a one way mirror waiting for a little con fab with the Secret Service is clearly called for.It’s past time to show these self entitled babies there are consequences to violating the rule of law.
    I shouldn’t have to leave public places so they can strut and bully.
    When they cross the line of the law put the hammer down on them if they show fight.
    They can debate the pro and cons with Old Scratch down in Hell as far as
    I’m concerned.

  • Lawrence Devine

    I wish I knew more about psychology in order to understand what kind of person would say they wished the president were assassinated. There must be a mental sickness involved in this kind of thinking. I hope they get help.

    • DavidD

      They aren’t sick unless being a marginal yum yum who gets off on fear and hate is a sickness.
      There is nothing wrong with occupying a humble station in life.I do and if that makes me a loser then what I lost wasn’t worth it in the first place but these people are just plain mean and dangerous.
      They have had a little taste of power and if someone doesn’t explain the consequences of their actions to them they will push it until someone gets hurt.
      These people ain’t rocket scientists and struting around with guns with their children around shows they aren’t real long on judgement or concern for others either
      They stepped over the line with their remarks and now is time to corral these armed yahoos and make some things plain to them..

  • William Fite

    But I guess the left see no problem with people giving death threats to an American citizen because she likes to hunt. Or a potential democrat congressman running in an election offering $100K for nude photos of her. No problem there, right?

  • Tru4Him

    “Death of a President” (2006)

    Death of a President is a 2006 British high concept motion picture about the fictional assassination of George W. Bush, the 43rdU.S. President, on 19 October 2007 in Chicago, Illinois.

    I know…I know…. This was just a fictional film and there was no harm in it…. but the thought of Bush’s assassination back then (As well as now) is still a dream of many Liberals that they wish had come to pass. I think both of these incidents are despicable, but the selective outrage of Liberal… excuse me… Progressives is fun to watch…. No go on… Flame away!!!!!

  • naitch

    Enjoy speaking with the Secret Service, Dumba$$.

  • stillalady3

    Will threats to the President give reason to collect her guns?

    • Bine646

      Assassins use many weapons to kill, you going to take all her stuff?

  • Guile Williams

    Just blowing smoke as usual since the right clearly doesn’t have the stones to act on anything.

  • Pithy Eponym Here

    She was a law abiding citizen, until she was not. Doesn’t take much it seems for these so-called “law-abiders” to willfully flout and break the law as it suits their purpose.

    • Get it together

      Infringing on our 2nd Amendment Rights is breaking the law. Happens every day.

      • Pithy Eponym Here

        I hear they’re making M4’s in hot pink with infringes for the lady folk. Don’t see the “well-regulated” militias complaining. Oh wait…the cherry-pickin chairborne division are a whooping and a hollering though.

  • mike

    She needs to have her guns confiscated.Loose seditious talk has become a staple on the right. If she resists, she can go out in the blaze of glory she has been fantasizing about.

    • Bine646

      Yup dont agree with what she said, must confiscate her personal belongings- you going to compensate her for those guns or just take them bc you think you can?

    • Get it together

      Uh um. You mean similar to Nursefranks comment? Oh, he’s on the left. I must be mistaken.

  • Pamela58

    I hope Homeland Security is investigating. She is obviously a danger.

    • Bine646

      As is the thousands of other citizens who think like this

  • nursefrank

    Hopefully she will shoot herself in the head while cleaning her gun. Oops.

    • Get it together

      Honestly your post is more offensive than hers. Way to lower your standards to her level. I guess the two of you have more in common then you thought.

      • nursefrank


      • Get it together

        Yep, really. I guess 2 wrongs make a right.

  • getreal5

    the reason why he is still alive is joe biden. even rush limbaugh would take a bullet for president zero.

  • Get it together

    A Country Founded by Geniuses but Run by Idiots

    by Jeff Foxworthy

    If you can get arrested
    for hunting or fishing without a
    license, but not for entering
    and remaining in the country illegally —

    you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses, but is

    run by idiots.

    If you have to get your
    parents’ permission to go on a
    field trip or to take an aspirin
    in school, but not to get an abortion —
    you might live in a
    nation that was founded by geniuses, but is run by idiots.

    If you MUST show your
    identification to board an
    airplane, cash a check, buy liquor,
    or check out a library book and rent a video, but not to vote for
    who runs the government — you might live in a nation that was
    founded by geniuses, but is run by idiots.

    If the government wants to
    prevent stable, law-abiding
    citizens from owning gun magazines
    that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets
    to the crazy new leaders in Egypt—

    you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses, but is

    run by idiots.

    If, in the nation’s largest
    city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not one 24-ounce soda,
    because 24-ounces of a sugary
    drink might make you fat —

    you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses, but is

    run by idiots.

    If an 80-year-old woman or a
    three-year-old girl who is
    confined to a wheelchair can be
    strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman in a burka or
    a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched —

    you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses, but is

    run by idiots.

    If your government believes
    that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to
    spend trillions more —

    you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses, but is

    run by idiots.

    If hard work and success are
    met with higher taxes and
    more government regulation and
    intrusion, while not working is rewarded with Food Stamps, WIC
    checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free cell phones

    you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses, but is

    run by idiots.

    If you pay your mortgage
    faithfully, denying yourself the
    newest big-screen TV, while
    your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a wall-sized do-it-all
    plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government forgives his debt
    when he defaults on his mortgage —

    you might live in a nation
    that was founded by geniuses, but is

    run by idiots.

    If being stripped of your
    Constitutional right to defend
    yourself makes you more “safe”
    according to the government — you might live in a nation that was
    founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

    What a country!

    How about we give God a reason
    to continue blessing