One Ridiculous Republican Quote that Sums Up Their Ignorance About Living in Poverty

kevin-maddenSometimes I run across a quote that I literally have to read twice because it’s so absurd that my mind doesn’t believe what my eyes just saw.  And that’s what happened when I saw the story about Kevin Madden, a CNN contributor and former adviser to Mitt Romney, speaking about his opposition to a hike in our minimum wage.

Mr. Madden said that Congress should not raise the minimum wage because it denies Americans the “opportunity to grab that bottom rung of the economic ladder.”

The basic context of his comments were that raising the minimum wage might deny some workers the ability to “work their way up” from the bottom to the top.

I’ve always laughed at this argument.  It’s basically saying we should keep people poor because low-paying jobs won’t require many skills for workers who may lack them.  Which of course makes absolutely no sense.

A job is a job.  If it needs to be filled — especially for lower-skilled jobs — it’s going to be filled.  If anything, raising the minimum wage might entice millions of people to get off welfare, providing them with more spending money and creating greater consumer demand which will then create even more jobs.

You know—basic economics.  Demand creates jobs.

This fear-mongering notion that a minimum wage of $10 an hour will suddenly increase unemployment because many low-skilled workers don’t possess the skills to warrant such a wage is absurd.

First, $10 an hour is still a fairly low wage.  It isn’t as if you need a great deal of skills to make $10 an hour.  I once worked for Sam’s Club and started out as a cashier.  Cashiers at Sam’s start out around $9.50-10 per hour.  And trust me, they weren’t hiring “highly-skilled workers.”

Outside of cart attendant, it was about as “entry level/low-skilled” of a position at the club as you could get.

So it’s ridiculous for anyone to believe that a minimum wage of $10 per hour would suddenly leave millions unable to find work.

But comments like this show perfectly just how ignorant many Republicans are when it comes to living in poverty.  Their two sides to this ridiculous defense against our minimum wage perpetuate the need to keep tens of millions of people in poverty so they can “climb that economic ladder,” while also insinuating this absurd notion that $10 per hour is some “highly-skilled” wage.

It’s pathetically misguided and absolutely ludicrous.

And as someone who grew up in poverty, struggling throughout much of my life, Republicans like Mr. Madden (and those who agree with him) simply don’t get it — and they never will.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • bln143

    put them all on the present minimum wage and watch things finally progress forward!!

    • duke476

      Who is “them all” If I understand what exactly you are saying, we must agree to disagree. You must be impervious to understanding what “them all” are living below poverty level, maybe we should lower the poverty level we use for a marker and then
      we would have less poverty, yeah that’s it!

      • Ron Carr

        I believe bln143 means the knotheads who oppose raising the minimum wage. If the legislators who vote against it have to live on it a while, they may suddenly feel an urge to raise it…substantially.

      • bln143

        i’m sorry, let me be more clear on ”them all”. by ”them all”, i was referring to those GOP and other politicians that just do not get how nearly impossible it is for even a single person, let alone a family, to survive with continuing rising costs of living with today’s minimum wage. a minimum wage that hasn’t moved forward but has watched our politicians give themselves raises! raises for doing nothing!!!

      • Owen

        I can barely even comprehend what you are trying to say…but I can tell that is probably because of your reading comprehension skills. They have translated over to your writing.

      • MBDElf

        OWEN — WHAT THEY ARE BOTH SAYING IS, TAKE THESE ASSES WHO DON’T WANT TO RAISE MINIMUM WAGE, AND PAY *THEM* MINIMUM WAGE — SEE HOW FAST THEY CHANGE THEIR TUNE!

        The comprehension problem is YOURS.

  • dutch163

    yes, some just don’t get it…recently someone told me:”they can get an education and get a better job” I said “The low pay jobs will still exist and SOMEONE will fill them”

    • buricco

      What of people with Ph.D.s who can’t find better work than at Mickey D’s?

      • dutch163

        how about the young man with the college degree working @ the supermarket..?
        you just don’t get it

  • jaggedlittlepill

    That really is one of the most stupid things I’ve ever heard. Talk about convoluted logic. We’re not talking about skill or qualifications here, we’re talking about those exact same “bottom rung” jobs starting out at $10.00 an hour instead of $7.25 an hour. Just because the minimum wage goes up doesn’t mean that the requirements for the job go up as well. It would still be the same job being performed by the same people, only those same people would be able to buy Christmas presents for their kids for a change.

    • AZComicGeek

      Forget about christmas presents, they would be able to buy necessities instead of relying on handouts from local charities. I make substantially more than minimum and have still had to forego “luxuries”, like dog food for 2 chihuahuas, until the next paycheck.
      The GOP really doesn’t learn anything from history. Everytime the minimum wage is increased jobs are created and the economy does better. Disposable income gets funneled back into the system. Its trickle up economics.

    • SLP

      Except, at $10 an hour, it equals $400 a week for a 40 hour job, less taxes equals about $300 a week or $1200 a month. Minus food, rent, and other necessary expenses doesn’t leave a whole lot for extras. Also, the threat of so many corporations saying if they have to pay the lowest rate of $10 an hour they will go broke and will only hire part timers then takes that $400 a week to $300 or so. They aren’t happy that so many are on welfare, yet can’t see that no one can make a living even at $10 an hour. A good living wage is at least $15. I hate them all.

      • GL

        I’d like a minimum wage of $15 an hour, but good luck getting anything higher than $10 past Congress. We have to be realistic.

      • SLP

        I know

      • mngrayfox

        No GL, we do not have to be realistic!! Congress HAS TO BE REALISTIC!! It’s time for the American people to take back their government from members of congress, corporations, the rich who care little about the less fortunate (There are some rich who do give back and really care…..not talking about them) who are more concerned about preserving their sacred jobs that need to be replaced. The measure of a country is guaged by how it takes care of the less fortunate amongst them. In the past 20 years the rich have been blessed and the less fortunate have grown larger.

        It’s way past time to turn that around! It’s time we hold congress accountable!

      • Kraig34690

        mngrayfox, I agree, it is time to take back Congress. What is also needed is legislation that ties changes to the rate of inflation, be it minimum wages, taxes, or whatever. This is a fight that comes along periodically, when it is clear that the minimum wage has stagnated. Why should workers have to endure this over and over again? They shouldn’t.

      • speakoutforscience

        We need to take back more than Congress; we need to take our country back. That includes the Supreme Court!

      • jaggedlittlepill

        Especially the Supreme Court, but I can’t leave out the DOJ, either. We do need to take our government back from the billionaires, corporate personages, the bottomless foreign aide garbage chute, the gargantuan lobbies and super pacs – and basically from the grip of evil in general. The problem is, the new guys going in that ARE sane and reasonable and have that hunger to make things right just don’t seem to last that long. The evil starts working on them right away and before you know it, they’ve crossed over to the dark side and are lost to us forever. The only way to really “fix” what’s wrong is to start all over again from scratch. You have to remove all the cancer or it just grows back.

      • Charles Vincent

        If that is your goal look into repealing the 17th amendment which is the root of the problem you’re lamenting about. Second push to have the CU decision repealed. Third stop voting party line and weight candidtates on thier actual record not the drivel that comes out of their mouths when they are tring to get elected.

      • me!

        Oh sh*t! Even with my skills-needing job I make $10/hour. Can everyone who is in favor of raising the minimum wage get a raise, and all those that say “keep the minimum wage pitiful” and “work your way up” and “use your bootstraps” blah blah blah take a pay cut to the current minimum wage?

      • SLP

        I have a career in the film business. I thought about moving to a new area that doesn’t have a film industry so I looked around online for available jobs in that locale. Turns out I have no appreciable skills in the private sector and there were no jobs earning over $10 that I would be qualified to do. Even full time, that is barely a living wage. Anyway, I think it’s a grand idea for anyone who disparages the working poor to try living on $10 an hour for even 6 months, with no other source of income, and see how they like it. I’m pretty sure this Madden douche would not last long.

      • TruckingNana

        I’ve heard from some conservatives how people make more on welfare than working a minimum wage job. If they truly wanted to get people off the welfare circle then raise the wage so they make more than they’d get from welfare. I know I’d find it much more appealing to work and make more money.

    • motherunit

      “Just because the minimum wage goes up doesn’t mean that the requirements for the job go up as well.”

      You and I know that’s true, but I can imagine the tight-fisted minimum wage paying employer being resentful about being forced to pay his peons a little more. This employer, who is doubtless making far more than $10/hr, will expect his workers to “step it up” or “pick up the pace” so they can “earn” that big raise.

    • Buckthesystem

      How about a min wage that tracks the cost of living increase every year.

  • Tariq Williams

    All of his talk about raising the minimum wage is just rhetoric for the hate consumed republican constituents who will vote against their own interest because they ignorantly believe that this mean spirited hateful policy will be detrimental only to so called minorities, particularly so called “Black” people. Once republican politicians convince the hate consumed vast majority of American society of that false premise then they are pretty much guaranteed their votes.

  • Kirk welch

    Why do you do them the courtesy of saying “they don’t get it”? They’ve got it down to a T. Keep the minimum wage low, increase profits, that’s all there is to get!
    Now if you say they are out of touch with reality thinking that a middle income family makes upwards of 250K a yr then I would agree, especially in a world where the Top 1% own 40% of the entire wealth of the Nation. To these people living on 250K a yr would be living in poverty.

    • jaggedlittlepill

      So true. You remember the joke going around when Obama beat the pants off of Romney, don’t you? The one that said Ann Romney was relieved that Mitt didn’t win the White House because she didn’t want to have to downsize… There’s always SOME truth in humor.

  • wawoo

    3,2,1 when will Sweetheart Reece the libertartian anarcho capitalist who is not an anarchist except when he is post his nonsense? Which pretty much equals Kevin Madden’s nonsense. The folks at the bottom need to make a living wage, the folks at the top need to be taxed more and make in aggregate less.

  • Dawn Sanchez Trueblood

    This is speaking with little presence of mind. Republicans make statements like this and have the nerve to accuse everyone else of initiating class warfare. This man is ignorant and has no place in governing, and anyone that shares this narrow minded perspective ought to try working a minimum wage paying job, and see how productive they are….

  • John Masters

    I watched last night’s 60 minutes report on fast food workers trying to get the minimum wage increased. I laughed out loud at the industry spokesman who rattled off the standard line about how raising the minimum wage would result in fewer jobs…you know, because if they raise the minimum wage, it will suddenly take a lot fewer people to run a a McDonalds [/snark]. Businesses, from General Electric to the guy who mows lawns, hire however many people it takes to get the job done. Sure, I may try to work a little longer each day if I’m the lawn guy if I add one or two more lawns to my route, but at some point, I hit a wall with no more daylight, and have to hire someone else when I add the third lawn. Worker productivity is hitting a plateau…there’s only so much work a business can wring out of each worker, and then they just have to hire a few more workers if they expect to expand the business. I am so tired of these non-reality based arguments.

    • Jim Bean

      You incorrectly connected the dots. Higher wages will mean higher prices. Higher prices will mean fewer customers. Fewer customers means fewer employees needed.

      • John Masters

        Your theory has already been proven wrong in the real world. You are essentially assuming a “trickle down” approach which we started under Regan, and which failed. Higher wages mean the poor have more money to spend, hence more consumers in the market place and more money to be spent on essential goods and services.

        The wealthy can keep getting wealthy at the expense of the poor, but what if I got wealthy by manufacturing, say, refrigerators? The wealthiest 1% are going to buy only so many refrigerators no matter how wealthy they become. If I have millions of people in a strong and prosperous middle class, I have a much larger market for refrigerators, cars, hamburgers, etc.

        Giving the working poor a raise might actually add a couple of cents onto the cost of my McDonalds burger. That’s not going to be the deciding factor in whether or not I eat there.

      • Jim Bean

        You speculate. I don’t assume trickle down will accomplish anything. I DO predict your redistribution scheme (raising minimum wage) will have no comprehensive effect on raising the standards of living for those earning it because their employers will raise the prices those employees have to pay for the goods and services affected. Solving this problem requires measures considerably more sophisticated.

      • RalphieD

        BS. prices are going up all the time, for various reasons. Wages need to go up with them to keep everything in balance. It’s already been proven. As John said, higher wages at the bottom leads to more spending, because the working poor can then afford to buy things they’ve always wanted or needed but couldn’t afford. Letting a few more dollars slip up into the hands of the super rich leads to more hoarding of cash, investments – often foreign – and not more spending at Walmart thats for damn sure. You can keep arguing JIm but you’re wrong

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Not really. I would pay more in exchange for someone making a living wage. It’s estimated an iPhone would cost 30% more if made here. Sounds like a decent trade-off to me.

      • Jim Bean

        Next time your in an establishment that you believe underpays its employees, slip a $5 to the stocker and/or the cashier. Patronize those places just for the opportunity to do that. Put your money where y our mouth is. If everyone who thinks these places don’t pay enough did that . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        “If everyone who thinks these places don’t pay enough did that . . . . . . . . . . . . . .”

        They still wouldn’t pay their employees any better. I prefer to patronize those that do, like Costco over Sam’s Club.

      • Buckthesystem

        I have to admit I had not been in a McDonalds in a long time but recently I went there and got a big mac. I couldn’t believe the price had gone up so much since the last time I went there, but what really surprised me was that I could hold this in one hand with no problem. I remember the burger used to be so much bigger and after eating it I felt like I could eat 2 or 3 more, so is it just me or has their burgers gotten smaller as well as more expensive, seems like they already have raised the cost quite considerably without raising wages. Not loving it.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Yep.

      • Jerry Malek

        Its not fast food any more.. Takes 25 min to get through line Gives me 5 min to eat.

      • Buckthesystem

        Oh and let’s not forget those people that used to work through an injury to earn a decent salary. Now, due to the economy, they cannot find a decent paying job so they file for SSD because they figure why work and suffer anymore if they can just collect disability and get roughly the same amount that they would get while working through the pain day after day.

        Simply put, if you gave one person 1 million dollars, and 1000 people $1000, the 1000 people would spend ALL of the money creating more demand for the products they buy, the person with the million would not spend it all and probably not even half of it, now multiply that by I don’t know say 46.5 million, (Reuters) – The number of U.S. residents living in poverty edged up to 46.5 million last year, and you have a vibrant growing economy.

      • TruckingNana

        You aren’t kidding on working through the pain. Broke my hand last year and after a month off my employer said I didn’t get back in the truck he’d have to replace me. It’s very interesting trying to tarp and strap a load with a broken hand.

      • Buckthesystem

        Yea i hear you on that, I suffered a chemical burn to both eyes years ago when there was an accident at work and my boss threatened to fire me if I didn’t return to work after a week, I was almost blinded.

    • MBDElf

      //”Businesses, from General Electric to the guy who mows lawns, hire however many people it takes to get the job done.”\

      I can disprove this in a snap — walk into ANY Walmart and look for help on the sales floor. Walmart has been ‘operating’ at about 65% staffing for a few years now.

      How do I know this? I’m one of the 65%. When I see people who WANT to do a good job get frustrated because they get chewed on for not being in three places at once, I get a little angry. (They don’t do it to me, because I know how to tell them where to go in a way that makes them plan the trip.)

      • John Masters

        You’ve not proved anything related to my statement above. I noted that people will hire the number of people required to do the job. I came to realize a couple of years ago, that you don’t got to Walmart to get service. The people working there, are there to do nothing more than stock shelves. It’s not a slam on the workers, it’s just the model that Walmart has. It works for them, apparently, as lots of people shop there. I now do my best to avoid them for lots of reasons, but that is certainly one of them.

        Walmart is not operating at 65% staffing because of the high wages and benefits they provide. That’s laughable. They are operating at those staffing levels because they found they could, and get away with it. Their customers seem to be OK with not having people on the floor who can help you.

        Try skipping a week or two of mowing a customer’s lawn because you were trying to operate at 65% staffing, or just the mow the front and not the back, and skip the edging, and see how long you keep that customer. Try serving me a hamburger without the bun, because you eliminated the position of the person who adds the bun, and see how often I come back to your fast food place.

      • MBDElf

        Spin things much, JM? I would be the LAST to say that Wally has high wages or benefits, I KNOW BETTER. And as far as “just there to stock shelves”, you know exactly diddly about their business model. That 65% stocks shelves, unloads trucks, runs registers, puts away returns, takes out trash, recycles cardboard/styro/organics, escorts customers to items they cannot find on their own (even to the opposite side of the store), slings a mop, sweeps up, retrieves shopping carts from the parking lot, polices trash from the surrounding property. . .shall I go on?

        When you come back to the REAL WORLD that the GOPigs have created for us all, and SEE what they have left for those who do not follow them, you will change your tune.

        Or maybe you won’t — because you may well be an asshole.

      • Jerry Malek

        I will gauratee JM is a Liberal. The working people know what service is about and how business cut labor as labor prices increases. I saw 5 business close the last time minimum wage went up and they did not get replaced by anything other than Wally World. I did see a drastic cut in customer service at Wally World and talked to some friends that worked there and they got thier job duties doubled with no more pay. Creat jobs that pay better and the will be out of there in the blink of an eye

      • TruckingNana

        I find your logic contradictory. You state “create jobs that pay better” but above state that low skill jobs don’t deserve better paying jobs. It makes no sense.

      • RalphieD

        IF a business has to cut labor or close due to reasonable wage increases, then their business model was never realistic. Profit and richness at the top of the business is not guaranteed. Profit is supposed to be what is left after paying costs. Costs should include a fair wage for the people who do the work. Good for JM for being a liberal.

      • MBDElf

        Spin things much, JM? I would be the LAST to say that Wally has high wages or benefits, I KNOW BETTER. And as far as “just there to stock shelves”, you know exactly diddly about their business model. That 65% stocks shelves, unloads trucks, runs registers, puts away returns, takes out trash, recycles cardboard/styro/organics, escorts customers to items they cannot find on their own (even to the opposite side of the store), slings a mop, sweeps up, retrieves shopping carts from the parking lot, polices trash from the surrounding property. . .shall I go on?

        When you come back to the REAL WORLD that the GOPigs have created for us all, and SEE what they have left for those who do not follow them, you will change your tune.

        Or maybe you won’t — because you may well be an asshole.

  • Kay Springsteen Tate

    The other half of the argument such people use is that to raise minimum wage would mean prices need to be raised. I don’t know where they’ve been but prices EVERYWHERE have been hiked anyway (many times, in fact), even without the raise in minimum wage.

    • Mark Schmidt

      Working people who have more money spend it…it is they who are the job creators and business stimulators. Higher wages mean MORE business and MORE jobs. The GOP is anti American. We should put them in Gitmo.

      • Jim Bean

        You are correct. They spend it on iPhones, etc, and create jobs and stimulate business in China. Higher wages here means a higher standard of living there.

      • Comedon

        If you actually looked at the living conditions in China, many millions of people of living in extreme poverty there and are forced to go work in sweat shops to produce the iphones we buy earning about 2 cents/hour. So yeah, the capitalists may be doing great in China, but not the ordinary people.

      • Jim Bean

        You’re saying those earning minimum wage here should count their blessings?

      • Charles Vincent

        Whose metric are you using to define their standard of living(in China)?

    • Sean Jones

      Just read a report that said if Walmart paid their employees $10/hour to start, it would equate to a 1.1% increase per customer. Im ok with that.

      • speakoutforscience

        Maybe it’s time for the Walton family to fork over a little bit of their profits. As of March 2012, their net worth was as follows:

        On the Forbes 400 list:
        No. 6 Christy Walton, $25.3 billion
        No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion
        No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion
        No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion
        No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion
        No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

      • Jim Bean

        Does that reflect how much money is under their mattress or how much non-liquid value they have invested in job-creating stores and the equipment and merchandise that fills them?

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        More likely value of shares. Demand creates jobs, not a store filled with stuff no one can buy because they have no money.

      • Jim Bean

        The stuff in the WalMart stores today was bought to replace the stuff sold to customers last week. Throwing the Walton’s net worth around only gets traction with the least intellectually agile among us.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        You miss the point. The Waltons and Wal-Mart have enough money to pay their workers better. Costco pays about $19/hr and has happy workers and lower turnover. Denying the Walton’s net worth makes you intellectually stunted. Not sure why you excuse rich people who abuse their workers.

      • Jerry Malek

        That is my point exactly. We excuse the super wealthy for raping and pillaging their workers and demonize other industries that pay well. Does any one know how much oil pipline workers make? Or people that work in the coal industry?

      • Roger Schramm

        Where was your outrage when millions of jobs were “outsourced” gutting the ability of all those ppl to make a living all in the name of profits. These were decent paying jobs too, often in small towns whos residents relied on those jobs sometimes for generations. You cant gut the ability of people to make a good living and expect the economy to survive.

      • Jerry Malek

        I was pissed when the jobs left. I was in the landscape business and saw a stedy drop in work as the jobs left, I knew it would cause a decay in the income of our small comunity.
        That is why we need a balance with taxes, regulations, and workers pay that is realistic. Any part of that equation gets overpriced.makes it more cost effective to ship work over seas. There is a huge cost of transportation and availibity that helps keep some jobs here. Should a factory worker make $35 an hour with no skills and a mechanic with a bachlors degree and $50K in his own tools make $20 hour.

      • Margo Kipps

        Jerry— both those industries are going to KILL us. Short term wealth BS, I want my grandkids to LIVE.

      • RalphieD

        Not True, Jim Bean. What’s important about the Walton’s net “worth” is that there is a HUGE pipeline of money flowing from Walmart stores and they are taking too much of it. If they were smarter and more ethical, they would allow a larger share for their workers. Its really that simple. Do the Walton’s each need ANOTHER mansion or yacht? Why the hell not bring the whole team up to a decent living wage and then call the rest profit ? Once someone is super-rich the extra money they can get by paying low wages becomes almost meaningless, like points in a game. But that same amount of money – that same exact money, in fact – could and should change lives for people living in poverty.

      • RalphieD

        To put it another way, several years ago, a ration existed of home much of Walmart income went to the workers and how much to the Waltons. Then the stores brought in more money and that ration changed. The Waltons took MORE which they really dont need and don’t deserve while giving LESS to people who really do need it and deserve it. Every year that the cost of living goes up AND the store profits go up and the wages do not go up, they are Stealing from the workers. Their team, their “family” whom they pretend to care about. Its bullshit, no matter how much capitalism gives people excuses to justify this behavior.

      • Jerry Malek

        So lets get rid of coal so none of those horrible people that mine it and transport it and the cities that live off that income can survive, and all that fracking and oil stuff so we get rid off all those evil people that life off the oil industry. GO GREEN and believe in all this global warming BS then everyone can go to work for Wally land. By the way the average worker in these industries makes on the average of 80k a year. THE ANSWER IS NOT RAISING MINIMUM WAGE. IT IS JOBS THAT PAY BETTER!

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        People working at Wal-Mart make $80K a year???

        We could retrain people working for the oil industry to work for green energy. Tobacco farms have been switched over to growing stevia, purple sweet potatoes, freshwater prawns and farmed tilapia: http://www DOT fastcompany DOT com/3004955/tobacco-farmers-new-crops

      • TruckingNana

        I believe he was saying those oil and fracking jobs average $80k a year. If he meant Walmart then he’s definitely very deluded.

      • MBDElf

        //” THE ANSWER IS NOT RAISING MINIMUM WAGE. IT IS JOBS THAT PAY BETTER!”\

        Did you REALLY just say that?

        How is a job that goes from $7.25 to $10 an hour NOT PAYING BETTER? Do you expect us to believe that a minimum wage increase of ~30% would automatically and immediately create a cost of living increase of the same amount?

        Oh, and the funny thing about climate change, what you call “global warming BS”; IT doesn’t care if you believe in it or not, it just KEEPS ON HAPPENING.

      • Jerry Malek

        All the data on global warming has been disprooved and the original data was a complete fabrication to creat causes that people could con money from. The 3 degrees the world was up 5 years ago is now -.5 degrees. What people consider extreem weather does not even come close the the weather events that show up in history. So if you want to believe all this crap that these activists are trying to feed you, just give them your money and have them keep costing us jobs that actually pay. If there are more good paying jobs people are not stuck in minimum paying jobs. McDonalds pays $15 an hour in North Dekota. Don;t be an idiot and believe all the lies, check the data yourself.

      • MBDElf

        Your own advice would be best followed BY YOU. The numbers you present, and the idea that ALL CC data has been disproved, is pure bullshit. As for empirical research, I get it DAILY. Weather conditions are not what they were 30-40 years ago.

      • MBDElf

        Your own advice would be best followed BY YOU. The numbers you present, and the idea that ALL CC data has been disproved, is pure bullshit. As for empirical research, I get it DAILY. Weather conditions are not what they were 30-40 years ago.

      • RalphieD

        Jerry, that’s completely untrue, everything you say in that comment. Where do you get off pretending to be better informed than everyone else? You aren’t and as much as you want to parrot the phrase ” check the data yourself” is not gong to fool anyone (except for people who’ve already decided to be right-wing and will be easily lead by what *sounds like* logical or scientific reasons.)

      • Margo Kipps

        Jerry Stop watching FAUX news– nothing has been disproved about global climate change. It is confirmed again and again. The fracking in ND will destroy one of the largest and oldest aquifers in North America. Great jobs to live where the tap water is so polluted, your family is in danger of any number of cancers. So you move on up there and breathe the fetid air and drink the poison water.. Or invest your big bucks in the delta area which will be under sea water while the rest of the land burns up from drought. I sincerely hope you and your ignorant progeny get cancer or drown; nothing short of personal experience will keep you from your ignorance..

      • speakoutforscience

        No, go green so that we slow climate change, clean up our air and water, and create new jobs to replace those from coal mining and fracking.

      • DrPhrogg

        Works in most other industrial nations.

      • wawoo

        In point of fact Walmart could pay its workers an average of $14.85 an hour and realize the same net if they stopped using profits to buy back stock which makes the Walton’s even more grotesquely wealthy and satifies Wall Street through the canard of enhancing shareholder value. Social responsiblity would be a good change of pace. Do not hold your breath.

  • MadameDelphi

    You need to go work for minimum wage somewhere, you will find many highly skilled, college educated older workers have been reduced to it. You will be working alongside them. It is the new American Dream reduced to a scream of a dying middle class.

    • buricco

      It is the new American Dream reduced to a last gasp of a dying middle class.

      FIXT

    • MBDElf

      This is true — look at the new demographic filling those McDonald’s jobs; MANY are former professionals who can’t get back into their chosen career fields. Average age now for a McD is 29.

  • Mark Schmidt

    Santorum used to say that poverty builds character. There are NO decent people in the GOP, not one.

    • jtown9

      So if poverty builds character, who among the GOP has any? Oh, yeah, none of them.

    • jaggedlittlepill

      Dorothy Parker said, “If you want to know how God feels about money, just look at who He gives it to”.

  • waynef43

    26% of ALL jobs in America pay $10.00/hr or less.

  • cealie

    I think they get it just fine. The problem is they don’t care.

    • Taleisin

      I think they like to annoy democrats by pretending they don’t get it.

  • intheknow

    A minimum wage job is the bottom rung! What an idiot, he doesn’t have a clue!

  • Debby Berg

    My brain literally came to a complete stop when I read that. He HAD to have misspoken was my first thought. Then I re-read it and by God that is what he said. Then I thought, how in the world would you jar the garbage out of his head? And I realized that the journalists who go to work for politicians have to check their souls at the door. There is truly no other explanation.

  • PeggyM

    Minimum wage in Canada runs from $9.95C in Alberta to $11.00C in Nunavut. Time to grown up America! Give your people a decent wage!

  • hermanprovi

    Most working for the current minimum wage, and who really need to have the min. raised are ‘minorities’.! Kevin Madden may be telling us more about himself than the wage issue!

  • They used to clean spittoons for a nickel apiece, and they were glad to get it after having to walk in snow *this deep* uphill both ways, barefoot. So that’s what everyone else has to do too. Either that or clean up down to the buggy whip factory.

  • Curt Welch

    Minimum wage has many subtle problems. We should be talking about a Basic Income instead.

  • 2Smart2bGOP

    Mr Madden’s statement is nonsensical; it’s like saying that having the ability to swim makes getting into the water more difficult.

  • Mark Hill

    In Australia our minimum wage is equal to about US$15.00. We have the lowest national debt in the OECD, closet to the lowest unemployment and inflation, survived the GFC (virtually unscathed) and even through the GFC enjoyed GDP growth. Anyone who tells you that raising the minimum wage will destroy the economy is an idiot or just an utter dog…but probably just a Republican.

    • Phil Beebe

      The people against raising the minimum wage have been claiming it will “destroy the economy” for decades. That has never happened, yet they still keep claiming that it will.

      • jaggedlittlepill

        Just like the claims about “trickle-down”. What a load of crap, literally – the only thing that runs downhill. The reason these ignoramuses keep making such ridiculous claims is because their ignorant, teabilly constituents BELIEVE them. They can tell their little sheep anything at all and get by with it, because they play to only two types of people; the obscenely rich and the self-righteous gun-toting bible thumping Bubbas. The rich they actually cater to while the Bubbas get spoon fed daily doses of fear and bigotry, never suspecting that they’re being played like a $5 ukulele. They would literally starve to death defending tax cuts to the rich. And the more we scream “foul” at each of their outrageous lies, the more the Bubbas call us communists fascists (which should be your first clue that none of them are members of MENSA) and blame the “liberal media”, whatever the hell that is.

  • Michele Last

    The problem here is the fact that all the GOP has to do is tell America that raising the minimum wage will either A) Raise price or B) Raise unemployment and they’ll have everyone of their constituents up in arms and calling those of us who believe in a living wage “unamerican.” They have a real knack for being able to make their constituents (many of whom have less than nothing) believe that anything positive is either damaging to America or is anti-American. Many of their constituents are uneducated or under-educated or do not have the desire to access the information available that will prove to them what an adequate, fair living wage will do for an economy. They don’t care to hear what is going on in “foreign countries.” They have a wall built around them that deflects correct information and common sense. While I understand that the politicians themselves are almost to the point of being pure evil, our biggest battle is attempting to educate their constituents that they are voting against their own families and their own best interests…we’ve been trying to do it for years, but it’s a battle that’s proven almost impossible to win.

    • speakoutforscience

      What they have a knack for is lying!

  • me!

    If conservatives, Republicans, tea party “people”, etc. hate us poor folks, why don’t they take Texas (sorry, I despise that state; no offense to any of you Texans) and make it their own state? Then the rest of us in reality can attempt to save what’s left of America. We could even give them a decade to “make it or break it.” If after that decade, they’re not all trying to weasel their way back into the real America, then they can keep it! If not, then they have to submit to reality. Just a suggestion…

    • YellaBull

      Ok, umm…me! First, I want to say that I am neither Dem or Repuke, I’m an Independent voter…just to be clear. What in the hell are you talking about?!? I’m from Texas. Why you despise the state needs to be explained. Let’s just say if Texas DID secede from the Union and we could (for conversation sake) put a VERY HIGH WALL around it, we’d never have to try to “weasel” back into, what you call “real America”! We wouldn’t need to. Texas, by itself, would have the 14th largest economy IN THE WORLD! We make our own petroleum, we have industrial strengths that most countries envy, we’re not worried about agriculture, defense, education, entertainment, or any other types of industry. We can create and maintain our own infrastructure. We have NO state taxes. We treat our veterans with better care than any other state. The cost of living is more balanced in Texas. You make it seem that the rest of America got it right….umm…no. With the exception of the IDIOT that’s in the Governor’s Mansion now, there is nothing that I would change about the Great Nation of Texas! I don’t know where you reside but, and I speak for all Texans, keep your a** there. We have enough clowns here we’re trying to get to leave! Have a good day!!

      • wawoo

        I guess that is why Texas DOT is busy converting hundreds of miles of paved roads to gravel roads. I guess that is why Texas leads in the wrong way with many bottom 10 and bottom 5 measures of income and quality of life. On the other hand, let us not shed Texas, let us make Texas Democratic Blue.

      • Branwyn Kimble

        “With the exception of the IDIOT that’s in the Governor’s Mansion now,
        there is nothing that I would change about the Great Nation of Texas!” Except, of course, all the people who had to have voted that “IDIOT” into office…

  • Elizabeth Sullivan

    They have to keep Welfare paying HIGHER than a minimum wage job so they can keep perpetuating the LIE that people on Welfare don’t want to get a job because they don’t want to work, not the TRUTH that Welfare pays MORE than a minimum wage job so getting a job would mean that they would have even LESS money while working than living on Welfare.
    .

    • Tracy Rowe

      Ok…I’m a little confused here. Are you saying that welfare recipients make more than those making minimum wage? What fantasyland do you live in, because I’d like to move there. That is just more delusional logic dreamed up by people who have never had to try to live on welfare. The welfare queen stereotype is a myth, and personally I would rather have a job than rely on the meager ration food stamps allows. As a single person, I am not eligible for anything other than SNAP and some medical. How does my rent get paid? Utilities? Not by welfare. That has to be one of the more profoundly stupid arguments I have ever heard.

  • Matthew Quigley

    Allen has shown his skills with a degree in political science, because he clearly has no knowledge of “basic economics” as he states in his article. He states that You know—basic economics. Demand creates jobs. He misses one half of the graph however, where demand intersects supply. Demand is only half of the battle. Please use a simple economics textbook and see what happens when you institute a minimum wage. Everything in economics pretty much boils down to marginal benefit= marginal cost. Thus if the benefit to a company hiring one more employee is more than the cost, it will continue to hire until the two equal out. To put this in fast food terms, if by hiring a worker at $10 an hour means revenue increases by $11, then a company will hire. If hiring a worker at $10 will increase revenue by $9 it will fire. By raising the minimum wage, you increase the cost, as such the added benefit of one worker must equal or exceed that increased cost. That is assuming you hold prices fixed, if you let that change, then a company may raise prices to the point where marginal benefit=marginal cost. Thus the nominal wage (the number of dollars in your wallet) will increase, but the real wage (what you can actually buy with that money) will remain the same. That tenant of actual economics is where many argue against the minimum wage, as by working at a low wage a person eventually gains skills that make them more attractive and more productive in terms of GDP output. The main argument for a minimum wage from an economic point of view is that by raising the wage, you will have a more productive labor force as a whole because only those who can get jobs at the higher wages (the more qualified) will in fact be employed, and the less skilled will be unemployed. You can decide for yourself if the minimum wage is right or wrong as a reader, but Allen, don’t provide “facts” that are intellectually dishonest and misleading.

  • Libs and cons have different brains. Google it.

  • Jerry Malek

    If raising minimum wage helps everyone, explain why when the last time we raised it we lost 5 businesses in town, Wal-mart laid of 15% of its work force and all our food prices went up? Don’t remember, you werent paying frickin attention !
    Have any of you had a business that you could not afford to pay yourself and then had people tell you to pay your employees more?
    Minimum wage is ment to be starting pay for people just entering the work force. Not the standard pay used by Wal-Mart which is the standard for the few of the greadyist people in the world.

  • SarahA

    Not one person that has a negative thing to say about a minimum wage hike actually works minimum wage. I went to college, did the whole bit and still struggling like many others. Most of the people who oppose it never had to live a day in poverty and assume that if any of us come from poverty we are less of a person because of it. Live a month on minimum wage, try to feed your children, pay your utilities and have health insurance and then maybe you can say something.

  • Sherry Arnold

    It’s all about greed the billionaires don’t want to sacrifice their money to pay a decent living wage and that’s the bottom line. They continue to increase prices and make up fees without increasing wages for their employees to line their pockets. For example, many companies cutting off workers from health insurance coverage because of Obamacare when that has nothing to do with it what it boils down to is they are too greedy to provide health coverage for employees because it cuts into profits.

  • MadameDelphi

    CEOs & shareholders made money from not paying a living wage. They can do with less, it doesn’t have to raise prices on goods at all. They kept making more, did that raise prices? No, because they never paid full value for their workforce but put it towards their profits.

  • Gatortrapper

    The economy is not a printing press despite the efforts of the Fed. You can’t cut something and make two wholes out of it.

  • gordonsoderberg

    Give these guys a break. They are still arguing about the fact that child labor law prevent children from getting the opportunity of labor for less than a minimum wage.

  • decreator

    What amazes me, stuns even, are the people who argue against this! Against their own best interest in the name of politricks. Just astounding! That I will never understand.

  • DrPhrogg

    And he makes how much for his opinion?
    We still operate as if Supply Side Economics was a scientific principle. Most of us learned the Law of Supply AND DEMAND. The working poor create the demand and that is what made the middle class. Time to stop living in fantasy-land.

  • thomasbone63

    I am so fortunate that i beat the odds and did not have to deal with assholes like this to try and hold me down. I feel so sorry for the people in this generation trying to make a way. People like this makes it so difficult.

  • Debbie Downer

    Can someone tell the GOP how many times the price of groceries have gone up sense the last hike in min. wage???

  • NoRightAnswer

    I would love to see it go up, it is too low. And I am far far away from agreeing with most of the republicans ideas. But here is my problem with this one. I almost have to, not agree with, but kinda understand what they are saying with that quote. If you jump the wage up, but not change the wage of anyone else but the minimum wage earners, you have now put them in the same spot as many others, who actually have worked their way, sometime after many many years, up to that spot. Why did these people put in the time, the effort, the education, ect, to make exactly the same as the unskilled and uneducated (not all are, im not saying that, just in general)? It does kind of say, you don’t have to try, you just have to wait for it to be handed to you. Because you can’t base everything on the few out of thousands who just fell on hard times. And with this ac, thinking you are making it better for everyone, you just made $10 minimum wage the new welfare, and now everyone is on it including those who weren’t before. You didn’t think it would just cease to exist did you? There will always be a bottom, and raising the minimum wage doesn’t eliminate that. It just adds more to it. The real problem is why greedy corporations can continue driving prices for more and more profit without anyone getting a wage increase except them. I know we are trying for more income equality, but I feel like we are not getting any closer to the top, but eliminating the middle class instead. We strive to get to middle class where we can afford our bills without so much stress every month. But if that becomes the new lower class, the gap just gets bigger and bigger. Prices are going up either way, work on stopping that problem, or give everyone a raise and not just the bottom.