Republican Governor Busted Trying to Use Fake Abraham Lincoln Quote to Defend the Rich

John-kasich-2The Internet is sometimes a double-edged sword. It’s undoubtedly been one of the biggest inventions in all of human history. Right now I can send a message all the way to China instantly with just a simple click of a button, or look at my friend living in Germany eye to eye via Apple’s FaceTime video call on my iPhone. The nerd in me still gets fascinated by technology that we’ve been using for years.

On the other hand, the Internet has also made it much easier to spread lies, misinformation or absolute nonsense. It’s also made privacy almost all but impossible and I personally believe our over dependence on cyber communication and interaction (text, instant messages, photo sharing like Instagram) is also having a very dangerous effect on how we behave as a society. For example, I believe many people have become much more narcissistic and we’ve become desensitized to how we treat other people because it’s so easy to be rude or mean to some via the Internet.

But one thing about the Internet is, it’s almost just as easy to be duped by something as it is to avoid being duped. Typically a simple Google search can save you from looking like a complete fool by citing something (a story, quote, stat, etc.) that isn’t real.

That’s a lesson Ohio Governor John Kasich might want to learn the next time he tries to use a quote supposedly said by one of our nation’s most revered presidents.

While speaking with Fox News’ Chris Wallace, the proposal President Obama has pushed for that would provide free community college to Americans was brought up and naturally the Republican governor opposed any mention of raising taxes on the rich to pay for it. But instead of simply using the typical right-wing rhetoric to defend the wealthy like most Republicans use, Kasich apparently felt like trying to sound intelligent by quoting Abraham Lincoln.

“You can’t build a little guy up by tearing the big guy down,” Kasich said. “Abraham Lincoln said it then, and he’s right.”

There’s just one slight problem – Lincoln never said that.

The first rule of quoting anyone is to identify the proper context of that quote. Just because someone says something that sounds as if it might fit a particular narrative you’re trying to push doesn’t mean that the actual quote itself applies. Even had Lincoln said this, considering he would have said it in the mid-1800’s chances are he would have been speaking about a much different scenario than what we’re dealing with in this country currently as it relates to our national debt, taxes and the best ways to maintain a society.

But, again, Lincoln never said those words.

Besides, just because Lincoln was a Republican, doesn’t mean the modern day GOP is the “party of Lincoln.” Anyone who cares to take just a few minutes to use the aforementioned Internet can easily look up our history and learn about how the ideological stances of the parties began switching around the 40’s and 50’s, rapidly changing with the emergence of the “Southern strategy.”

So the next time Kasich wishes to quote Lincoln to try to defend the rich, he might first want to know the context of the quote he’s trying to use, then make certain that Lincoln actually said it. That way he doesn’t look like a complete fool using fake quotes on national television.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.


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  • Jim Bean

    Misquoting Lincoln is huge. After we’ve thoroughly vetted it, we should make some time to drill down on this”

    – – Sheldon Silver, Democrat and long-time Speaker of the New York State Assembly, was indicted last Thursday on charges of corruption. A federal magistrate issued orders to freeze more than $3.8 million in various bank accounts controlled by Silver, whose legislative salary was $121,000 a year.
    – –

    • Colleen Gomez

      Hopefully he will share a cell with Rick Perry

      • Jim Bean

        If Rosemary was a Pub and Perry a Dem you want a commendation for Perry and jail time for Rosemary. I know how you are.

      • Colleen Deanne

        No, you do not know me. They BOTH need to share a cell!

      • SmallBizOwner2

        And Chris Christie! I think he’s headed that direction too.

    • Pipercat

      Meanwhile, Uncle Fred – a fastidious man, trimmed his beard 27 times a day…

    • DerpDestroyer

      Irrelevant again. Too bad your brain stopped evolving at the 6th grade “Rubber meets glue” level.

      • Jim Bean

        Which is irrelevant? A conservative misquoting Lincoln or a Dem stealing from the public?

      • DerpDestroyer

        Not chasing you down the Troll Hole on this cartoonishly idiotic statement, Bean-Brain.

      • Jim Bean

        Smartest decision you made in the last ten days.

      • Sam Brosenberg

        Yeah, no Republican has ever been accused or convicted of corruption.

      • Jim Bean

        Not true. Plenty have. And when found guilty, Conservatives throw them under the bus, run over them with bus, and then back the bus over them again.

        The Dems strategy is different. They reelect them.

    • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

      Oh Jim, you dedicate all your time to troll on Forward Progressives. Every article you come running to be a contrarian. Never once agreeing with logic or reason, just derision. Please if you’re retired go fishing, be with the family. If you’re unemployed, look for work. This is an unhealthy obsession of yours. Unless you’re getting paid to do this, than make your money booboo, because you haven’t made one convert yet and you never will.

      • Jim Bean

        Name one instance where I disagreed with ‘logic?’ And what do you have against the free exchange of ideas in a forum where you’re sure your ideas are the most meritorious ones? Am I not just giving you opportunities to shine?

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        You just pick fights and are contrarian. That’s all I’ve ever seen from you. Commenting on every article to almost every post is in the words of Spock, “Highly illogical”. So my examples of where you disagree with logic is tenfold and then some. No one shines in internet commentary and the reality is you are called out several times daily for getting the facts wrong. I’m all for dialogue, but not if its not sincere. With you, it’s never been sincere.

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        This thread is on Lincoln. Not about you. I have flagged you and moderator will be over to slap your behind. Bye bye boi

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        Of course you’d want to censor free speech, you’re a Republican.

      • John Berggren

        Everyone needs to flag Tony gunny. ….he is a blight on the discussion AND disrespectful of America and it’s president.

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        All he has said from day one is three things:

        Calling people libtards
        Calling people fat
        Then when he’s called out he goes and cries to the moderators.

        Meaning he is an utter failure of a human being.

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        Nope, just censor libtard stupidity.

        The Butcher

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        I was in the corps to give you the right to be an asshole. I have that right to point out how awful you really are.

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        What corps was that. Little sister of the poor? Don’t say Marine’s or I might have to BIAtch slap you. That would be.a bold faced lie.

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        Ha! Yes I am a Marine. You wouldn’t do anything but go cry to the police, like you do moderators. I’d break you. I know because I’m already in your head.

  • EdwardWJones

    One thing Lincoln did say is ‘do not believe everything you read on face book’.

    • DMJ

      He was also quoted saying yolo before death google that.

    • Eg Kbbs

      Even long before the internet, there were plenty of books that allowed one to look up quotes (such as Bartlett’s).

      If the guy can’t even operate a simple reference book, he has no business trying to understand more advanced issues and legislate them.

  • GenerallyConfused

    I wonder what meme he got that from.

  • George Ortiz

    More Progressive lies!

  • Sean T Gallagher

    well we all Know who said ” When fascism comes to america it will be wrapped in a flag carrying a bible”and for sure I see the right wing being just that …

  • Sean T Gallagher

    also a simple axiom of politics ..when a politician is quoting Lincoln …it probably means he is prepping for war.

  • Sam Snead

    Regardless if Lincoln said it or not. The quote is very real. You can’t transfer wealth and make the poor man wealthy by taking it from the Rich man. I am sure the rich man didn’t have his wealth handed to him. He worked hard to get to where he is and he does pay his fair share to the tune of 35% in taxes ++

    • DeeBaby

      Yep, those Walton kids sweated a lot when they inherited from ol Sam. Same with the Koch bros.

    • markinator

      Nobody is transferring wealth from rich people to make “the poor man wealthy”. You state that you’re “sure the rich man didn’t have his wealth handed to him.” To be wealthy isn’t something that should be automatically revered. A person can be wealthy, and may even have earned it solely on their own, but sitll be a nasty person. Unless you can cite a source for the 35% you think they pay now, we’ll have no choice but to think you made that up because you want to believe it.

      • Sam Snead

        The top tax rate for corporations in the US is 35%. The top individual rate is also 35%. You add in the ss tax up to 120k at 7% plus the state tax if your states has that tax, which mine does at 5% and any sales tax or real estate tax and your effective rate is over 35%. What rock did you just climb out of to not know that. As for revered the rich man. I did not say that. what i said was he worked hard to earn that. As for DEEBABY, Sam walton borrowed 27,000 from his parents to start his store. He was not handed billions as you see today. Its from hard work and being smart. Bill Gates started in his Garage. same with SteveJobs and countless others who worked hard. Why again should they be made to pay more for making more. What is it with the libs that everyone must pair their FAIR share. Why don’t we all pay the same? a equal % of each paycheck. That would be FAIR.

      • strayaway

        “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” -Barack Obama 7/13/12

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        I hope you are quoting Obozo in unhappiness. This guy is a worthless human being

      • John Berggren

        Now, THAT is off topic and disrespectful of my country and it’s president

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        It’s my country first of all and you are completely out of line John Bae.

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        This has nothing to do with the article, I’m reporting you to the moderators for reporting everyone who disagrees with you, I.e. sane people, to the moderators.

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        Stop copying me, you cheater. Classic libtard follower. Flagged to mod

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        Aww, want a tissue crybaby?

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        Nope. Just ecstatic to see you banished in AM.

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        So when I’m still here making fun of your abject stupidity tomorrow, what will you do?

      • tracey marie

        that is not the entire qoute. The infrastructure was built by others, when you lie you look foolish

      • strayaway

        The entire quote was four paragraphs long. If you want to post the whole thing, do so. Try to refrain from calling people liers though when no lies were told. I tried posting one paragraph and my reply wasn’t posted. You are right about the infrastructure though. Obama went on and on about if not for government, teachers, government built roads, and government supported internet individuals wouldn’t succeed. Yet he didn’t mention that he had a bank vice-president granny who probably opened some doors at private schools for him, all his teachers after Indonesia were private school teachers, or that some people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were actually smarter and harder working then most of us. Stupid lazy people use roads and the internet too making Obama’s PC remarks less than profound.

        “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” -Barack Obama 7/13/12

      • John Berggren

        I note you cannot show anyone who actually pays 35%. Oh, well. As for a fair tax. Your idols the Waltons, whose daddy gave them everything they have, do not need their whole paycheck to pay rent. Nor do they need food stamps in order eat as their exploited employees do.

      • SuzyQZee

        Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      • Sam Brosenberg

        Sam Walton Borrowed 27,000 from his parents to open a business? In the 1960s, so that 27,000 was probably more equivalent to 70,000 in today’s dollars.

        What about people who don’t have parents capable of making loans of that size, genius? That is the same as inheritance, even if he paid them back, because he inherited that money when they died anyway. If I want to take out a loan to open a business, I’d have to get it from a bank and get raped by their ridiculous interest rates. I couldn’t just go to my parents and ask them for the money.

        If everyone paid an equal percentage of every dollar they received, that might be fair, but when you say everyone pays and equal % of your paycheck, what you’re saying is that working people should bear the entire tax burden, and people who don’t actually receive paychecks because their income comes from appreciation on investments should pay nothing.

    • John Berggren

      Apparently, however, you can make the rich man wealthier by taking from the poor man.
      But, then
      That is the current GOP platform

      • John Berggren

        Perfectly, on topic……but sorry you can’t stand the truth.

      • Cæsar_Had_Epilepsy

        Says the guy who calls anyone who disagrees with him libtard or fat.

      • TonyGunnyAvenger

        I’m only trying to help your obese party. Dieting it important for you fatty’s

        The DOCTOR

      • Sam Snead

        When exactly does the rich man steal or take from the poor man? If you mean the Rich man created say a cell phone and then sold same to poor man for a low price? Then yes, the rich man did get money from the poor man but in return the poor man got something he would never have had for less. If not for the rich man technology would not exist. Go ahead and make everyone poor and we will welcome you to Russia. Hope you don’t need toilet paper.

      • John Berggren

        …3Your gold and your silver have rusted; and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure! 4Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and which has been withheld by you, cries out against you; and the outcry of those who did the harvesting has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. 5You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.…James 5

      • Sam Snead

        John, my how you fail at giving the entire passage. This would be for a rich oppressor, (against a slave)
        Not a person who not only pays wages at the going rate but also pays taxes. Give unto Cesar’s what is cesar’s but give unto God what is Gods. Well Cesar’s is getting his 39% and God is getting his 10% what is left for the Rich Oppressor? Nothing. No job for the poor and no money for the poor since gov’t took it all.

      • John Berggren

        I see you do not believe the plain words of the Bible. Not much more I can do to lift you out of intentional ignorance. Have a nice life.

      • Sam Snead

        John, its very easy to run away from a discussion when you can’t find the right words to continue. I quoted the bible and also informed you of the passage you used was not entirely posted. It has to do with servants and slaves not employees. All employees are paid a fair wage. you failed to acknowledge the tax rate quoted and proven. The Rich do pay their fair share and more. How much extra do you pay from your paycheck? or do you not get a paycheck but rather a return check from the Gov’t. Based on your statements i would guess you give 100% of your check back to the Gov’t because they know best how to spend YOUR money. I have no problem with your choice to give more. Just member its your money not mine. Stop trying to spend mine.

      • John Berggren

        Not running away, just refusing to engage in argument with some one who chooses to rewrite the Bible to serve his worship of the billonaires who choose not to pay a living wage to those who make them wealthy.

        Let me know if you ever wish to engage in honest discussion

      • Sam Snead

        Proverbs 3:9-10
        Honor the Lord from your wealth and from the first of all your produce; So your barns will be filled with plenty and your vats will overflow with new wine. seems to me God will give you greater wealth once you give him your first 10%.

      • markinator

        Let’s pretend that a man starts a manufacturing business, or a technology business. Unless that person can perform every job in that business by themselves, they have to rely on others to help them do it. The Waltons take home obscene paychecks, yet the jobs at Wal Mart guide the employees to the publicly available insurance packages, paid for by us. They could offer the greatest coverage on earth, to every sick person, and they’d still be obscenely wealthy. Plus, you’ll need data to claim Trickle Down works, because we all know it doesn’t. Based on the data from W Bush’s tax cuts for the uber wealthy at the same time he was starting wars, all of that money went to the rich people, and they KEPT IT! Well, duh!!! The economy was in a nosedive due to conservative dereliction, so they sure weren’t going to invest it then.Voila! Instant recession bordering on depression.

      • Sam Snead

        Lets take your comment one part at a time.

        I start a business. Takes time and money to do that along with knowledge and hard work. If i succeed in getting the business running i have made it past the starting line.

        2: Now i need help. I put out an ad and get all kinds of people wanting a job. The salary is min wage as its all i can afford and the job itself is very basic. Like making change at a registrar.

        3. I now need to hire a more skilled worker. I look inside first to see if i can give someone with skills the position. Nope, can’t find anyone here. Now i must send out another notice and offer more money for a skilled person. I get a large amount of qualified candidates so i now can offer less due to over supply of workers.

        4. I now have 2 employees and 50 people waiting for the same jobs. I don’t offer health insurance because my employees are not full time. I advise them to seek health ins in the open market.

        5. I pay them extra in order to purchase a policy. They don’t purchase the policy, they instead spend the money on beer and other things.

        6. The gov’t comes in and demands that everyone becomes insured while working over 30 hours. I now reduce the full time employees to 29 hours to save money for the company because the gov’t is dictating i have to purchase or pay a fine.

        7. now those same employees that were full time are now part time. I hire an equal amount of part time workers to make up for less hours and my operation continues like it always has but my employee’s are making less due to less hours. This was all caused by gov’t rules. Not mine.

        8. Now i have over 1 million employees, some part time some full time. I offer insurance to everyone but they must contribute to their plan. My plan is more expensive than the state plan so i suggest they shop there with the extra money i paid them.

        At any given time an employee can leave my company and seek employment elsewhere. To my surprise they don’t leave. Why? Because i am the only company that will employ them due to low skills. So, At the end of the day i make billions of dollars at my business. I pay my taxes and take care of my employees otherwise they would leave. Stop being a hater and start your own business and make your own billion.

        As for trickle down. read the above story. This is how it works.

        here is one more story. Hope you have read to here because it explains how tax cuts work and how taxes are spread from low to high.

        The Truth About Taxes
        by Anonymous

        Let’s put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100.

        If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

        > > The first four men, the poorest, would pay nothing;

        > > The fifth would pay $1;

        > > The sixth would pay $3;

        > > The seventh $7;

        > > The eighth $12;

        > > The ninth $18.

        > > The tenth man–the richest–would pay $59.

        That’s what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement–until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

        “Since you are all such good customers, ” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of you daily meal by $20.” So now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

        So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six–the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his “fair share?”

        The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being “paid” to eat their meal.

        So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

        And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59.

        Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

        “I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth. “But he got $7!”

        “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got seven times more than me!”

        “That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

        “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”

        The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

        The next night he didn’t show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They were $52 short!

        And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.

  • rossbro

    Kasich can’t NOT look like a fool.

  • A.Craft

    62.4 % of all statistics on the Internet are made up.

    • Sam Snead

      I thought it was 65%

  • jeffinohio

    “That way he doesn’t look like a complete fool using fake quotes on national television”

    Well, the problem here is pols say stupid sh!t on TV ALL the time and only look like a fool to a small percentage of the population. The GOP has made a cottage industry of saying stupid sh!t and getting their sycophants and the media to repeat till it’s truthy.

    So does Kasich look like a fool to his political constituency? No, he looks like an ubermench. He’s devastating Ohio public schools. Do the parents at my kids elementary connect dwindling school resources with his cutting state taxes for industry and rich people. No. They complain about “Obamacore.”