Republicans Calling Out Other Republicans for Acting Ridiculous? Yes, It Actually Happened…

chris-christieWhile most on the right probably consider me a left-wing radical (though ironically many liberals don’t consider me a “real” liberal), I do try to base my political opinions on common sense, logic and rational thought.

Three things I rarely seen in conservative ideology.

So consider me stunned when I saw not one, but two Republicans make comments this week which actually made sense.

First there was Republican Senator from North Carolina Richard Burr, who said it was the “dumbest idea he’s ever heard of” when he was made aware of a few Congressional Republicans trying to gain momentum to blackmail the President, by threatening to shut down our government if “Obamacare” wasn’t defunded.

Though the full context of his comments went beyond just calling these antics ignorant, he also pointed to the ridiculousness by many Congressional Republicans who become obsessive over the health care law.

Burr said, “I think it’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard of.  Listen, as long as Barack Obama is president, the Affordable Care Act is going to be law.  I think some of these guys need to understand that if you shut down the federal government, you better have a specific reason to do it that’s achievable.  Defunding the Affordable Care Act is not achievable through shutting down the federal government.  At some point you’re going to open the federal government back up, and Barack Obama’s going to be president, and he won’t have signed this illusion of the Affordable Care Act.”

Yes, a Republican Senator actually said that.  He not only essentially called these Congressional Republicans who support the idea of shutting down the federal government fools, he points out how small-minded they are by not understanding the “big picture.”  That they’ll eventually have to fund the federal government—and the Affordable Car Act will still be law.

In other words, these people are playing politics to pander to the ignorant who obviously don’t understand how government works.

He also speaks from experience.  He was also around in 1995 when Republicans did shut down the government. (Anyone notice a trend of Republicans doing this when they don’t get their way?)  He remembers the backlash his party experienced following their antics nearly 20 years ago.

So while I rarely agree with Republicans, I must commend Senator Burr for not only calling these antics by these radical Republican Senators “dumb,” he also went further by pointing out the reality that shutting down the government will accomplish absolutely nothing.  He alludes to the fact that these Republicans who obsess over the Affordable Care Act simply need to move on.

But of course we all know, they won’t.  But at least Burr had the courage to call these Congressional right-wing fanatics out on their asinine behavior.

Then there was New Jersey Governor Chris Christie calling out Senator Rand Paul and his “dangerous” libertarianism that’s taking over the Republican party.

Granted, the example he used for this isn’t exactly a topic many liberals will agree with—his support of the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs.  The main issue he pointed out was this “disgust” many Republicans seem to be showing over the “groundbreaking news” that the NSA has been tracking the phone records of Americans during the Obama administration.

He basically points out this “disgust” is baseless because, as Christie accurately stated, “President Obama has done nothing to change the policies of the Bush administration in the war on terrorism.  And I mean practically nothing.”

Yes, I know this will spark the, “See, Obama and Bush are the same person!” people, but so be it.  If you want to say two people are exactly the same because of a handful of policies that are the same—well then I guess an apple and an orange are identical because they’re both fruits, right?

But the point that I took from his comments is that certain Republicans want to act “appalled” at the news that the NSA has been tracking the phone records of Americans, as if Obama is some tyrant that’s been spying on all of us.

Yet many of these Republicans had no problem supporting President Bush when he passed nearly identical policies for dealing with terrorism.

Only now these individuals are “shocked” by the actions of the NSA—when just a few years ago they supported them.  Hell, many of them voted for the bill (the Patriot Act) which gave the NSA the power to track the phone records of Americans.

He also put out a challenge to these Senators such as Rand Paul:

“These esoteric, intellectual debates — I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won’t, because that’s a much tougher conversation to have.”

And while I don’t agree with most of the policies either of these men support, their comments give me some hope that more moderate Republicans will begin speaking out, and against, these radical right-wing Republicans that seem to be taking over the GOP.

At least these comments show that some Republicans can act rational—even if only for a few brief moments.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Mark Strange

    Republican use be a title we could respect, disagree with most the time, but respect non the less. But not any more, they’ve been highjacked by Idiots. It’s at least nice to see the old republicans we disagree with, but can at least respect for having a mind of their own.

    • Darius Dpas Deepazz Smith

      What a sad day it is indeed Mark.

  • Beth

    Whoever wrote this article lost me at the first sentence with the pathetic misuse of the English language. I seen????

    • Mandee

      Wow he lost you for a typo? Tough crowd. 🙂

    • poo bah

      Oh lighten up Beth. Get the fuck over yourself.

    • Al Cleverdon

      Actually it was the second sentence but not reading your response based on your inability to count would be childish of me …..wouldn’t it?

      • Andy Baker

        Lol

    • Ed

      You need some corrections yourself. You are missing your commas, now I’m lost.

    • timeflies13

      Uhhh … count much? That little typo was in the second, not first sentence.

    • Stiles

      Wow I was actually looking forward to reading some interesting comments and instead got drown into an English discussion.

    • Andy Baker

      Get a life!

    • Al Smith

      This is a typo I’ve committed, as well. Typing quickly, my brain was moving faster than my fingers, and, I subconsciously melded, “I’ve rarely seen”, and, “I rarely see”.
      I’m sure, though, Beth, you were still able understand what the author meant, despite their flagrant disregard for the English language, or, was it that you wanted a reason, to not want to read the article, past the first paragraph?

      • Rachel

        Bingo!!!!! You nailed it.

    • jerseyirish

      You chastise the author over bad grammar???

      I wager you agree with all the Right Wingnuts and their conspiracy theories spawned by ignorance and fear.

      I ask, which is worse, a grammatical misstep, or general lunacy?

    • kirsten zielinski

      well beth i think if you read the sentence you will notice that the word ‘have’ is missing. maybe it was a typo or maybe he actually forgot to put it in after re-writing the sentence. if one word is all it takes to stop you from reading an article perhaps you should find some place where people are as perfect as you seem to be. of course you probably stopped reading this when you noticed no capitals. oh, and it was the second sentence beth.. not the first..

    • Mase

      Beth, you are losing this one. Hahaha

  • Jax

    And while everything you said here makes perfect sense and shows just how insane these people are they still won’t get it!!! Who votes these people in?? It is frustrating to the point it makes normal people want to close their eyes because there is nothing we can do about it yet if we close are eyes we then are no better than the nut wing party!!

    • Maria

      People who are just as crazy as they are, that’s who! Always afraid to step outside of the box and take a good look, cause even though the other parties are a bit loopy, they sure as hell ain’t crazy.

      • JimColby

        Everyone of these Republicans ‘have’ to vote for the defeat of the ACA (now at 34) because they ‘must’ show the folks back home, who voted them into office that they both hate Obama because a black man isn’t suppose to be this smart. Smarter then a white man, that is.

    • Rick Heath

      You ask who votes them in. I can tell you. partisan half wits that are too lazy and cynical to go read the facts. It is much easier to crack open a beer and let Limbaugh or Hannity tell you what to believe than it is to do some research. In addition most of these drooling inbred teabillies have a cynical distrust of any media/news source that does not confirm what they have erroneously concluded on their own. This lethal concoction of stupid that refuses to be permeated with any facts breeds a culture of lunacy found in only three places on earth, mental asylums, totalitarian fascist regimes and tea party rallies. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

  • Mister_Mean

    Perhaps they are coming to reason-but I feel that it is too late. You can only trust based upon past actions and their actions speak louder than any change in rhetoric.

  • sara

    I remember a time when I assumed that Republicans, like me, wanted the best for the country, and merely disagreed about what would take us there. They didn’t actually frighten me like they do now.

    • Stiles

      Wow, I am frightened by both the Republicans and the Democrats.

      • Namaste

        Don’t be afraid. Be awake and flexible. This is not the Future We Ordered, but if you avoid denial you don’t need to fear. Fear is what they are counting on. Stay strong and alert, Stiles, see you at the commons

  • notanamericanapologist

    all hail the rino from New Jersey. also since most polls prove that the majority do not want the aca why would he want to continue with ramming it thru. and as a sidenote to this mess we are in financially with our govt. if it is such a good deal why did he delay the mandate til after the elections. Wake up America

    • Stiles

      That is very disturbing, delaying the mandate for political reasons. Definitely makes me questions his motives.

    • Greg Weaver

      Which polls? A lot of people seem to like their new, lower insurance rates.

      Funny thing is, it seems like everyone who’s against the PPACA cite reasons that AREN’T FUCKING IN THE BILL. It’s been that way from the start. I’ve heard:
      1. Free healthcare for illegal immigrants. (NOPE)
      2. Death Panels. (NOPE)
      3. Government choosing your provider. (NOPE)
      4. Not enough healthcare to go around (I thought you people worshipped supply and demand curves as law?!?!)
      5. Insurance premiums going up (NOPE! They’re going down, especially in the states that have already set up the exchanges!)

      You wanna know the real reason the Right is so desperate to stop PPACA? It’s not even fully rolled out, and it’s already working. It’s working fucking *good*. And they know that when it’s all the way rolled out, any politician who tries to go back to the bad old days will be CRUCIFIED. And maybe, just maybe, a significant chunk of their constituency will realize that the PPACA is actually pretty good, and realize how badly they were lied to.

      Hell, my slide from being a conservative to being a liberal was caused by the PPACA. I actually read the entire bill, trying to find ammunition to use against some people supporting it, and I realized how badly the Right was lying about its contents. 3 years later, here I am–gun toting, meat eating, flaming liberal. Still registered as a Republican, though.

      • Rachel

        You rock!!!! I always laugh when I see people going insane over these death panels. It’s sounds like they’re stuck in some sort of science fiction movie.

      • namaste

        Yes!

      • notanamericanapologist

        I am guessing that by going down you mean not going up as much and i never mentioned anything your 1-4 statements buut you can attribute to me if it advances your cause but howzaboot we try the truth for a change. Idiot i pay for my own healthcare i don’t wait for someone else to give it to me free and mine has went up substantially. PPACA is just more govt intrusion for us to pay for. also nothing is free everything the govt gives us is paid for by someone most times just not by those clamoring for it

      • Greg Weaver

        It may surprise you, but I pay for my family’s healthcare, too. In fact, our household income is pretty nice; we’ve both been fortunate in our careers, which means I probably pay a fair bit more than you in taxes. Eh, I consider them the cover charge for living in a civilized society.

        I’m sorry you’ve been so misinformed about PPACA. Here’s the reality: nobody’s getting free healthcare. People in lower income brackets can be excused from purchasing care, or receive tax deductions in order to help subsidize the cost of care. If you consider that “paying for someone else’s healthcare”, then I’m sure you’re equally irate about the hundreds of billions in tax subsidies that go to oil companies, big agricultural corporations, and the myriad of other very, very wealthy individuals who receive your tax dollars in return for nothing.

        Also, if you consider “requiring people to purchase insurance from private-sector companies in order to reduce the amount of taxpayer dollars getting spent when uninsured people default on their medical bills” as “government intrusion”, I don’t know what to tell you. I consider it telling people to take personal responsibility for their medical needs.

        It’s pretty clear that you’ve been terribly misinformed about the actual content of the PPACA. There’s some very good sources out there with actual, factual, non-biased information on the bill–there’s a good article that’s the top result when you Google “How Does Obamacare Work? 11 Questions, 11 Unbiased Answers” (I’d post the link, but then the comment gets moderated and I don’t think anyone’s actually looking at them, because they never get posted)

        You could also go to the healthcare(dot)gov site that goes into a lot more detail of what’s in the bill–no spin, just the facts.

        Or you can even Google “PPACA full text” to read the bill in all it’s legalese glory. Might wanna schedule a bit of time to do that, though–it’s 900 pages and I’ll tell you, it’s not exactly a page-turner.

        Since you (and everyone else) are concerned about the premium costs, go look up the premium changes in states that have implemented the non-profit exchanges. If you’re living in a Republican-dominated state that’s refusing to implement the exchanges, you’re going to be upset at how much your premiums cost. And you can lay the blame for that firmly at their feet. They’re actively costing you a lot more money to appease their campaign donors in the Insurance industry. It’s really sickening.

        Fair warning, though, once you read the bill and learn what is really in it, and what is NOT in it, you’re going to be shocked. And if you’re someone who hates being lied to, you’re going to be pretty damned angry at the GOP and the right-wing media. It resulted in a pretty dramatic shift in my political beliefs because I started looking at other things I had previously taken as gospel, and now I’m a registered Republican who can’t stand the GOP. Good luck.

      • notanamericanapologist

        if the ins is so good why isn’t congress on it several unions are waivered out and the IRS who is in charge of implementing the aca wanting to be waivered ?
        If its so good and cheap and easy why are 3 of the bigger small businesses in Ca. opting not to join these exchanges I will bet you its not cus they are cheaper. also not to belabor your point of who I am registered as in my state you cannot register as a conservative and I too am sick of the republican party as a whole but do not get me started on the statist in the democratic party. Now as much as I enjoy your points on why we should all give into a huge nanny state you can but instead of doing here go to one of the hugely socialist states that you want to transform the USA into and go live there and VOILA you don’t have to tell anyone govt. ins is good its all been done by the communist for you…
        You have a good life.

      • Greg Weaver

        Congress IS in compliance with ACA–members have insurance polices. I don’t think you “get” the ACA–it isn’t creating a government healthcare system; the govt-run insurance exchanges offer regular old insurance plans with varying prices, coverage, and co-pays. It’s basically creating a non-profit insurer offering low cost, medium-coverage plans in every state, creating competition to reign in the excesses of the for-profit industries. They’re designed primarily for small businesses and individuals, who wouldn’t otherwise have ANY coverage, and, as things stood before, would be paying an exorbitant amount for a plan with poor coverage and high ($5000) deductibles.

        The IRS and the other unions aren’t requesting to be “exempted” from the PPACA, they’re requesting that a Congressional bill put forth to end the Federal Employee Health Benefit System and force them to enroll ONLY in those exchange-offered plan not happen. The Exchanges aren’t designed to offer high-end plans like what we pay for, they’re offering budget plans. The health insurance Federal employees get is one of the few benefits we have–our pay is considerably lower than the same job in the private sector (I could be making double with my skills, education, and certification; to replace me with a contractor would cost 5 times as much as my hourly wage. I ain’t in this for the money.)

        That health care plan is one of the things the Federal Employee union fought HARD for. You’ll notice that the hypocrite congressman ( David Camp, R-MI) didn’t include the Congressional Employees healthcare benefits in the bill (and THAT is what you heard was the “Congress requesting an exemption from Obamacare!!!!1!) They’re currently fully compliant with Obamacare, they’re just trying to keep the excellent coverage they had (and pay for), instead of being forced into a lower-coverage plan. It’s all about them trying to take a contracted benefit away from employees.

        There’s no “exemption” there, only a union fighting to keep a hard-won benefit for their members.

      • Rick Heath

        You sir are my hero, thank you for taking the time to read up on PPACA and help others understand it better. You are shining a light into the darkness of ignorance and guiding the less fortunate into reality (albeit some go kicking and screaming the entire way). I am suddenly reminded of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave.

      • redwolf68

        Well, it *is* possible to be a liberal Republican, even if the phrase sounds like pure oxymoron. And you’re absolutely right about Obamacare – so far, it’s working very well and will continue to do so as long as the wingnuts continue to be thwarted in attempting to repeal the law. I mean, really, 38 votes?! Don’t these idiots have more important things to do? (Oh, wait…there *was* that manufactured IRS scandal…)
        As for Chris Christine, I still don’t entirely like or trust him, but he’s proving himself a moderate, he did do everything in his power to work with the President in the wake of Sandy (which only make sense since it’s his state – if you don’t take care of your people, you don’t get re-elected, or at least, that’s how it’s supposed to work), and he is good at calling BS where it’s applicable. So maybe there’s hope for him?

  • The Elephant Cocoon

    This reminds me of when this kid on my street would always threaten to take the ball and go home if he couldn’t be a captain. It’s sad that some people never mature.

    • Greg Weaver

      Ladies and gentlemen, the modern Republican Party!

      They should replace the Elephant with Eric Cartman.

      • Rachel

        I actually laughed so loud the guys doing construction near my house stopped for a second. Just thought you should jnow

      • MrLightRail

        RESPECT MY AUTHORITAY!

    • Lyola M Roeske Shafer

      But now WE have our own ball!

  • MC

    I think the ACA needs to be rethought. My family’s health coverage has gotten way more expensive and covers much less than it did even a few years ago. A lot of people are upset with the results. So why not try to improve on it? It’s a large law, and it’s not really going the way it was supposed to. I believe Congress should take another look and try to make it better.

    • Greg Weaver

      Your family’s coverage cost will decrease as soon as your state sets up its exchange. Insurers drastically jacked up rates in the past 2 years in order to squeeze as much money out of people as possible before the non-profits kick in and they’re forced to lower rates to remain competitive. You’ll see.

      And you’re right, it’s not something that is, or should be, set in stone. It’ll have to be modified as time goes on, conditions change, and more data is presented. Just like any GOOD bill. As things change, there will be ways to improve it.

      The bill itself actually anticipates that, and has several different parts designed to be modified as time goes on.

      It’s actually really comprehensive.

      • Rick Heath

        Good post Greg. I think many people have forgotten that as a nation our laws were designed with the intent of being flexible and to change as society develops (this includes the Constitution). Our forefather did not intend us to be beholden to 18th century ideology perpetually. They were aware that as in all times, things change and that our laws would need to change as well to account for that. The founders did not forsee weapons advancements so they could not possibly adjust the 2nd amendment to compensate. They did not anticipate big banks and corporations taking advantage so they did not make laws concerning the level of abuses we have now. (except perhaps the Steward anti-trust law of 1890 if you wish to consider that)They could never have known that insurance would even exist in its current form so that could not establish fair parameters. My point is we must always consider what is the best course of action for the majority in order to retain any vestige of democracy. The Constitution is our guiding document to frame all other policy but it is not chiseled in stone and delivered by Jesus personally.

  • Andrew Sommer

    As an Expat NJ boy living in Florida under the likes of Rick “Snott” Scott, Chris Christie is a breath of call it BS when it is fresh air. I wish we had Republicans like him here in Florida.

  • Des Aboagye

    What is wrong with Teapublicans. This President is one of the BEST Presidents ever!!

    • MrLightRail

      I voted your statement down, not because I dislike President Obama, but that he tends to act like a moderate Republican more often than not, and like most Democrats, need to grow a spine against the hijinks played by Republicans. Therefore, I can’t call him one of the best, but not one of the worst, either. 🙂

  • Jess Manuel

    They are the spawn of Newt Gingrich. With a dash of trash from Ann Coulter, stink from Sean Hannity, stupidity from Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachmann, racism from Bill O’Reily, and absolute pure evil from Rush Limbaugh.

  • Lloyd Stoner

    I am a Democrat and have been for 50 years. I usually make it a practice to give an early contribution to the best Republican candidate in the primaries. For the last two elections even their best wasn’t worthy. Try harder guys…

  • Robin Berss Ross

    So in the future, if you have a pre exsisting condition and need affordable health care you HAVE to vote for a Democrat for president. Seems somple enough.