Republicans: Don’t Tell Me You’re “Christians” When Your Party Obviously Hates the Poor

paul-ryan-3Whether or not you’re a Christian, what Jesus Christ symbolizes I believe is transcendent.  The values for which he lived shouldn’t just be for those who follow Christianity.  I believe what Jesus Christ symbolizes, beyond religious rhetoric, should be values all of humanity should stand for.

One of the main values for which Jesus Christ lived was helping the poor and needy.  He also lived a life helping those that couldn’t help themselves.

Never once is there an account where Jesus asked someone why they needed help, he just helped.  After all, was it his place to judge?  As much as it might be popular to say, “We’re all born equal”—we’re not.

The circumstances that I’ve overcome in life aren’t equal nor are the abilities within each of us to handle them the exact same way.  Some of us are stronger than others and some of us simply face obstacles which we’re not mentally or physically able to overcome.

A family that might have a child with autism overcomes obstacles I can’t imagine because I don’t have a child who has to overcome such adversity.  I can’t say to them, “I know how you feel,” because I don’t.

So it’s absolutely ignorant to judge others based upon a notion that, “I did it, so can they.”  It’s also naive to judge people based on a minority of people who abuse generosity.

But this is exactly what many Republicans do and the entire Republican party builds their platform on.  They’ve perpetuated this myth that, “We’re all created equal”—which is a lie.  They’ve also built this idea that the majority of people on welfare are abusing the system—another lie.

Most people who need help, need help.  And no, we’re not created equal.

Jesus Christ knew this, which is why he didn’t judge those who needed help.  Jesus also spoke out against greed, because greed is really the root of most of the world’s problems.  The desire for excess often comes at the expense of those who can’t fight for themselves.

Even during “Biblical times” they had the two-percenters.  Those who had everything, building it on the backs of those who had very little.  This is something Jesus Christ stood against.

So you’d think a party which claims to be the party of “Christian values” would rise against greed and embrace humanity.  But they don’t.  They base their “Christianity” on church attendance and fierce opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage.

And that’s about it.

Politically, their party constantly vilifies and attacks the poor while making victims out of the rich.  The poor are talked about like “takers” while the rich are promoted as “job creators.”  Programs that help the poor are seen as “drains” while tax breaks for the rich are seen as “the path to prosperity.”

“Welfare” is a word they detest.  They paint anyone who needs government help as “the problem” while acting as if the greed of the 2% isn’t an issue.  Except, it wasn’t the poor who sank our economy, it was the rich.  It was greed.  The same greed which their party continues to support and enable.

So how is any of this representative of “Christian” values?  Believing in God doesn’t make you a Christian.  Jewish people believe in God, but they’re not Christians.  Being a “Christian” means you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.  Defending the poor, helping the helpless, accepting those who are different, not judging, loving one another, being hopeful—these are real Christian values.

And they’re values which Republicans don’t live by.  Republicans are fearful, angry, judgement, hateful, spiteful and base their entire economic ideology on feeding greed.  Basically the complete opposite of everything Jesus Christ stood for.

In fact, when I see Republicans talk about social programs, the disdain for the poor is evident. Almost every budget proposal Republicans support doesn’t touch the rich — instead, it puts the burden of those cuts on programs that benefit the poor and middle class.

Think about it.  When was the last time Republicans proposed anything that benefited the poor instead of the rich?  I honestly can’t think of a single thing.

Hell, we’re in the midst of a government shutdown because Republicans would rather have our government cease to function than give access to health care for millions of Americans.  Our nation has nearly defaulted our on debt because they fiercely opposed any mention of a tax increase for the rich.

Republicans quite literally would rather watch the whole country burn to the ground fighting for the benefits of those of us who have the most, while attacking those of us who have the least.

How in the hell is that “Christian?”

It’s not. And it’s time Republicans stop calling themselves “Christian” when they blatantly hate the poor.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Sean

    Because for elected Republicans and their base it’s all about thumping your chest and being as obnoxiously loud as possible. Not all Republicans are like this though, sadly most are. My step-dad is a Republican and voted for Obama twice,(the moment Palin was selected as VP, and as for 2008 to quote “They’re all idiots.”) and admits that most Republicans wouldn’t call him Republican because he actually thinks like a sensible minded person. Me I’m non-aligned and an atheist so the whole “god” and politics thing really pisses me off one has nothing to do with the other.

    • ARealHousewifeInOC

      seems the older i get, the closer aligned i am to thinking i may be an atheist…not because i don’t believe in God, because I’m more disgusted to never want to be associated or referred to as a christian ever again!

      • Sicccccc

        you would be a Deist then.

      • Joan Sutton

        Like many of the founding fathers of our country.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Or an agnostic. Though, trust me, nobody like us!

    • Cathryn Sykes

      No, it’s about keeping women in their “traditional” place….”barefoot and pregnant.” Basically, one step up from livestock, valued only for unpaid labor, sex and producing offspring. Unable to plan their pregnancies, which means much less of a chance to go to college or trade school, or get and keep a good job. Which makes it much harder for them to COMPETE WITH MEN, in any arena that involves real money and especially power….business, the military, politics. This is about money and power…and making sure women don’t have either.

      • Alaric Viola

        Why are they unable to plan their pregnancies? Are you saying women aren’t allowed to go to the local drug store and buy birth control? What’s funny is, when I had my 1st kid, I had to drop out of college to raise it. I guess you didn’t factor that part in. No, no. It’s all about you, isn’t it? After all, you debate that men and unborn children have no rights when it comes to abortion. A purely self centered opinion, and a hypocrisy of what you attack men for. What is more, corporate America has more office jobs given to women than men. I see this everytime the company I own goes to do a service for a business. There are usually 2x the number of women or better than men in any office we have moved. What is more, the trend today in larger cities is for women to make more income than their husbands. I own my own company and my wife still made more than I did while she worked. Granted, she no longer does because it isn’t needed like it used to be, but my point is still the same.

      • Wendy Pollock

        hmmmm…. u say u have been raising ur son alone for 12 years, but then u mention ur wife and that she no longer makes more than u cuz it’s not needed. how can u be alone in one post, yet still married to the woman who was with u when u 1st started that business years ago????? i believe u are just writing a bunch of bullcrap lies to argue against any and every point someone brings to u.

      • Alaric Viola

        Hmm. Well, let’s see here. I said I raised my son for 12 years w/ no help from his mother. He is 17 now. My wife, who doesn’t work, isn’t my son’s mother. We have been together for 5 years and while she isn’t my legal wife, I consider her as such. In Texas, we would be considered common law. She worked the 1st 2 years we were together. Answer your questions?

        I believe you are one of those who would rather find problems than solutions.

        And for the record, while I worked hard to build a business, from helper to driver to owner operator to fly by night company to legit company, which took years; as a fully licensed and legal company, we have been around for 2 years. So years ago is hardly the case. Years ago, is when the journey began. Not when it was already complete.

        Perhaps if YOU took your OWN journey of SELF-RELIANCE, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge. Walk a mile in a man’s shoes before you judge him. I have worn many, many, many pairs. Every pair in fact, from starving to content. One day I hope to wear the pair of a rich man. But it will be through my own hard work, effort, self sacrifice, and intelligent decision making. Not from expecting others to improve my station for me. Might I stumble at times and need help? Probably. But it will have come after I have already time and again proven I’m worth helping, and that this “hic-up” is only a “hic-up” and not a perpetual way of life.

      • Alaric Viola

        What? No quick, unthought out retort full of assumptions? I was hoping for more.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Two points: One: A number of Republican politicians are trying to make both prescribing and selling the Pill ILLEGAL. So yes, women WOULD have a problem planning their pregnancies if these politicians get their way. Two: Yes, there are often more women than men in office jobs. In low paying jobs like customer service reps or secretaries. in And in case you didn’t notice THIS, some courts are saying that they have no problem with women being LEGALLY paid as much as 30% less than men FOR THE SAME EXACT WORK. And….BTW… I am really getting tired of people like you who say, “I made it, so anyone can.” I’m willing to bet that you had advantages that helped you “make it” that a lot of other people didn’t. Until you can walk in THEIR shoes, quit sneering.

      • Alaric Viola

        I don’t use a pill to prevent pregnancy, though I’m not against it. I use condoms, which also help prevent disease. There are other methods too. It sounds like men would have problems planning their pregnancies too. I subscribe to the belief a couple gets pregnant, not just the woman.

        Low paying jobs? Really? Says who? My wife was controller of the entire accounting department she herself ran and which had 4 women and one man in. The highest paid employee under her was a Vietnamese woman. The man was getting the same as one of the other women and everyone else made more. Granted, he and the other girl were still fairly new.

        The lower pay thing pisses me off too. Why? Because it means all the good jobs are going to women because they take less. They don’t have to. It is their choice to accept or reject the contract for employment they are given. So you can complain that a woman gets paid less all you want. I’m gonna complain that the man got passed over in place of the woman who took less pay. No one asked if he’d take less pay. They just hired the woman instead.

        But perhaps you’d rather the reverse? Perhaps you’d rather women got paid more but only got the jobs men wouldn’t do?

        Since you don’t know me, it’s pretty arrogant to assume you know anything about what life I have lived. Did I have advantages? You bet I did. I had parents who taught me to be a man of principles, stand on my own two feet, and hold myself accountable for my life and my actions. It sounds like your disadvantage is your parents didn’t do the same.

        I’d like to repost a Christmas story from my life I often use around this time of year to help nudge some in the right direction. It IS from my life and will nicely show just how off you are in all your ASSumptions.

        When I was 17, I was suffering a bad year.

        Christmas was on the horizon and the gifts we were buying for each other included mostly things like socks and underwear. It was what I call a Welfare Christmas. My parents almost divorced. I got passed up for a job promotion at my minimum wage job and had to train the guy who got the job.

        Things were pretty down to say the least.

        As I was walking down the stairs from the apartment I shared with my brother and his now wife, I took a moment and pleaded to the one being who always showed me comfort. As I looked into the sky I said, “God, if there really is a Santa Clause, a Spirit of Christmas, or any such thing, then I want a magic carpet like Aladdin had in the movie.”

        Disney had just put out Aladdin in theaters and it was my favorite movie at the time.

        I asked for a magic carpet because I knew none existed. I was, in a way, proving to myself no such Spirit existed and that this life of hardship was all there was. I was asking God for the impossible as proof!

        When I was done, I lowered my head and continued down the stairs to my brother’s car, so I could go to work. As I neared it, I noticed there on the ground, right next to the driver’s side door something peculiar. There was a little toy magic carpet from an Aladdin playset waiting for me. Tears filled my eyes and I looked once more to the Heavens and said, “Thank You God. At least now I know You’re listening.”

        This was not the 1st or last evidence of God in my life, but it is one of the ones I hold most dear. God answered my impossible wish.

        Life is still a struggle. It still has its trials and difficulties for me. But I’m far better off today than yesterday and the future constantly looks brighter. It was my Faith that got me here. That and God’s ability to answer impossible wishes. He can answer your’s too.

  • flyboysid

    The article is very true to point. What I found interesting was the ironic advertisement for the far right wing “Liberty University” in the middle of the page.

    • Noadsforme

      I suggest using adblock plus (& chrome). No more annoying ads.

  • ARealHousewifeInOC

    amen!

  • eric rollins

    Seems like a very judgmental name calling article! I am so sick of the back and forth name calling putting religion into a place it doesn’t belong. This is a country ran by bought politicians serving their own agenda democrat and republican which is greed! And yes that is my judgment on the system so I am also judgmental as we all are.

    • odie91

      Sometimes it’s not “name calling” it’s simply telling it like it is.

    • Harshman

      At least you’re honest!

  • Dorothy Dill

    I am a Christian. I have been a Christian since 1984 and I want to say…YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. It troubles me greatly that the republicans distort God and his word to accomplish their goals when their agenda, attitudes, and behavior is neither Christian or Godly 🙁

    • Alaric Viola

      There are plenty of programs like grants, scholarships and low interest loans to help the poor if they so choose to help themselves. No one hates the poor. We hate the lazy. There are plenty of formerly poor folks that are now wealthy beyond measure. Mark Cuban, for example, used to live in his car. Now he owns the Dallas Mav.s. When I was 19, I had my 1st kid. 3 years later I had my 2nd. I worked along side illegal immigrants as a mover. I worked hard, pinched my pennies and made the smartest choices I could. Now I own my own business. When my 1st kid was born, we had to go on Welfare to get medicade. Even though, all we wanted was the medical, they gave us $250 a month and $400 a month in food stamps. That left us with double what we needed, but we were told it was all or nothing. It made me sick that I could do better w/o a job and be on welfare than I could having a job and not being on welfare. I was off in 3 months. My father is a former Marine. In order to provide the life he wanted for his family, he also worked jobs as a mechanic and as a busboy, at the same time and while a Marine, until he had earned a high enough pay grade to no longer need those jobs. Again, we don’t hate the poor. We hate the lazy. According to Catholicism, so does God. They declared sloth one of the 7 deadly sins…….

      • kilrush

        “We hate… We hate…” Very Christian

        “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

      • Alaric Viola

        BTW, where in the above statement did I say I was Christian? I said, “According to Catholicism, so does God. They declared sloth one of the 7 deadly sins…….”

        God hates my ill actions too. God hates sin. Sloth is sinful. So yes, pretty Christian. And btw, you’re judging right now! 😉

        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Guest

        BTW, where in the above statement did I say I was Christian? I said, “According to Catholicism, so does God. They declared sloth one of the 7 deadly sins…….”

      • DDP

        So you had access to the government entitlements the Republicans want to take away and you say that those poor over there are lazy and you are the one who deserved it because it helped you when you needed it? The others side of your coin is that there is plenty of free help, and they should use that help. Intuitive poor folk should know where to find all of these handouts? Is this special human sense that people in need have? Honey you validate everything in this article.

      • Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier

        Indeed!!

      • Alaric Viola

        Yes, indeed! 🙂
        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Alaric Viola

        The system is broken. I used it as it was intended. Others broke it. I didn’t know where the help was either. I heard about it, just like I’m telling others here, and made an effort to figure it out. That’s right. I made the effort. They can too. Instead, they don’t and complain that no one will show them as justification for not figuring it out themselves. I also made the effort to get off the program as quickly as possible. Those who won’t help themselves don’t deserve help. Obviously, I’m not talking about those who do make the effort and for whom such programs were created for, before they were abused and broken by those not willing to help themselves who expect others to do it for them.THAT is my point. Those who do prove they will make an honest effort to be productive, should get help when needed. But I know, I know, My hard work and effort to elevate my life using the tools made available to me isn’t reason for me to have more than those who do little to nothing. Again, those worth rewarding and helping should be. The problem is so many think they should be perceived that way and have done little or nothing to prove it.

        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Joyce Gina Goller

        OK…so as a business owner you live below the poverty line and all you need isa $35 phone…oh…and you did live on welfare for a time….

      • joynlife

        “It made me sick that I could do better w/o a job and be on welfare than I could having a job and not being on welfare.”

        It makes me sick that the workers are that underpaid. Welfare and food stamps are the bare minimum needed for survival. If working pays less than it takes to survive, that is the problem. Low wages and lack of benefits are responsible for the huge gap in income equality. Employers should pay a “living wage”, and give their employees health benefits, and reasonable working conditions, But instead, they falsely claim they are the job creators. They over charge for their cheap, imported goods, and under pay their employees, and pocket billions.

      • Alaric Viola

        Then YOU should make the sacrifices by working your butt off and pinching every penny while your family eats beans, until you have enough resources to be the job creator/ business owner. Personally, I’m pretty sick of all those who think they somehow deserve the rewards I and others have created for themselves, without making the sacrifices to get there. And you know who bitches the most about being broke from my experience? Those guys who work for me and are at the bar or club everynight enjoying themselves while I continue to make sacrifices so they can work. BTW, my lowest paid employee makes $10 an hour. Hmm………. That’s a higher wage than I started at before I ever owned a company.

        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Jacqueline Jones

        Reading this I had to stop right at ,”even though we only wanted medical” this the lie, the set up to justify your, I got mine, your on your own. ComeOn! We’re not stupid. You can apply ONLY for medical assistance and only for your kid. Nobodies going to force you or just give you help if you don’t ask for it. You Lie

      • Alaric Viola

        No. It is a statement saying I used it for what it was for and what I needed it for. Nothing more, unlike those who have designed their lives off living on it. Of course it was over 2 decades ago, and laws may have changed, but the experience happened.

      • Green_Devil

        You labor from the delusion that people have designed their lives to live off it. Some have, but they are relatively few. Most people, like you, find that due to circumstances beyond their control, they find themselves out of work and needing assistance. Do we, as a country, turn our backs on them? Or do we do what we did with you- offer a helping hand to get through a tough patch?

      • Alaric Viola

        Through a tough patch? Absolutely we help them. I got help for 3 months, not most of my life. There in lies the difference. And if only a few are abusing it, why are there so many on it for basically their whole lives? I think you have the numbers backwards based on my real world experience and not your ideals, which don’t reflect the real world.

      • Kerri Peek

        Hate is not a Christian value and as a Catholic, you do notspeak for me.

      • FrankWm

        I don’t know the connection between Catholicism and “speaking” for another.

      • Doug Sowter

        bla bla bla bla you are all morons

      • CherMoe

        You spout a bunch of words. By the way, GREED is one of the deadly sins along with lust. God said it will be easier for “a camel to pass through a needle than it will be for a rich man to get into Heaven.” Not everything is as black and white as you try to make it. I am no stranger to the life you have experienced for a short time. But you can’t compare THIS economy where ALL the forces are AGAINST the people and a corporate culture where they are all AGAINST workers and would rather send their jobs overseas. Corporations lost respect for employees many years ago when the $$$$$ signs became firmly fixed in front of their eyes. Therefore employees lost loyalty to their companies. Wages and benefits have dwindled since the Reagan days. Corporate pressure has forced unions to concede more and more and more which is a source of contention and people getting mad at their unions. The corporate greed has taken precedence in America, and they now literally OWN the politicians and create the laws and rules here (ALEC and the Koch Bros. drafting laws passed in Congress). The politicians need to start working FOR this country, start creating the jobs they promised, work on the crumbling infrastructure and get into renewable energy. Our countries are literally leaving us in the dust while we’re a ticking time bomb with our economy and our rusting nuclear reactors. While the politicians are laughing all the way to the bank along with the rich, you’re sitting here pointing fingers and calling people lazy. You’re one of them … just cloaking yourself in that shroud of so-called “religion”. Real compassion and empathy gets a person up off their duff and does something about it. The fact that you refer to yourself as “WE” tells me you’re part of the self-proclaimed religious right who’s “wrong.”

      • Alaric Viola

        What makes you think I’m greedy? I think the general public is greedy. Even though I have a tube screen TV, all my employees have a flatscreen. I’m done reading all this “That’s not a Christian attitude” crap. The 1st book I read was a children’s Bible. I went to a private Christian school until highschool when the money ran out. I’m betting I know more on the subject than most of you and based on the blessings in my life, the number, type, and enormity of them, I would say I’m right in line with what God wants from me. How’s your life going?

        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier

        “Again, we don’t hate the poor. “we” hate the lazy.” not very Christian thing to say, and what is sickening is the actions you most likely put behind those words. I wonder, do you walk past the homeless and spout your hate, because how do YOU determine which ones are poor or just “lazy”. Then you use Mark Cuban as someone to look up to and to aspire too, this is the man that said Kobe Bryants sexual assault case was “Good for the NBA” now there is someone that I want to look up to……

        Then your woeful story of how you wre “forced” to take food stamps and a welfare check when all you needed was medical…. all states allow and actually encourage you to apply just for medical if that is all you need.

        Many families have struggled and pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, and yet you speak about your experiences as if you were the rarity, and not the norm.

        Now lets get into those darned Deadly Sins, you picked the one deadly sin that would bolster your arguement sloth, yet in this short rant you exhibited, greed, envy, pride, gluttony, and anger….. I wonder does God “Hate” you too?

      • Alaric Viola

        Actually, I have several times bought a lunch for two and sat with a homeless person and shared a meal with them. Why? Because I wanted to pick their brain to see how they got to this situation. Most homeless people are mentally unstable or “not right” and I can understand programs for those who can’t help themselves. Y’know, people always think being Christian is about peace love dove, but they forget Christ was a rebel and was arrested for a violent act.

        I find it interesting and amusing that you assume to know what actions I make. So you’re basically projecting whatever image you want on me, based on the wild imagination you have created based on my words. According to your words, you must give every poor person you see all your belongings, leaving you and your family with nothing and now needy yourselves. We both know this isn’t true, and I’m not going to ignorantly project this image on you as you have done with me.

        As far as Mr. Cuban goes, his opinions are his and he is allowed them, just as you are and I am. What is to be admired about him is his accomplishments. His ability to go from nothing to the master of his universe.
        If you would rather, than use Daymond John, who came up out of the “hood” to become the master of his universe.

        And no, that is not what happened when we applied. Of course it was over 2 decades ago, so perhaps laws have changed since then in regards to that.

        I don’t speak like I’m a rarity. In fact thanks for making my point that we can ALL do it. The lazy simply choose not to.

        Does God hate me? Hmm. Considering my life, I’d say He likes me a lot. So I must be doing something right.
        Greed: What makes me greedy?
        Envy: What am I envying?
        Pride: Pride is actually a quality when coupled with humility. Is it bad to be proud of your children? Your accomplishments? Etc? No.
        Gluttony: What makes me gluttonous?
        Anger: Even Christ showed anger when wrecking the money changers kiosks.

        No God has only ever shown he loves me. That’s why I live a blessed life. Do you live a blessed life?

        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Cathryn Sykes

        So now Christ is about violence and being a criminal? Wow. You are just…..nuts.

      • Alaric Viola

        Twisting my words like you do the Bible yet again? I simply stated Christ was arrested for a violent act. What did you think He was arrested for? Preaching? And more wars have been fought in His name than any other. But no, that’s NOT what I said He was about. Can you point out where I did? I simply am pointing out Christ and Christianity is not at all what you think it is either. But then, I’m betting you really haven’t read anything Christian except what has been selectively spoon fed you since childhood. Do you even know your Catholic history which has perverted Christianity since the time of Constantine? Do you even know the part Constantine played in Christianity, how, or the ensuing result? I like how you’re constantly on the attack but can never defend.

      • Benjie

        DO you even know who ended those programs? Reagan!!! A republican. You are either lying out of convenience or you have deluded yourself into believing you are actually part of the solution. Either way one would not be considered smart to adopt your methodology.

      • Alaric Viola

        Lol. So stealing from Paul to pay Peter is your answer? Lol. At least I take my own resources and help where I see I should. This is my choice. I freely choose it. I DO NOT condone forcing me to help a faceless person while others take credit for it.

      • Alaric Viola

        Please, you simply troll. You’re one of those who bitches on your sofa and does nothing. So go feed your trolling crap somewhere else. lol.

      • cole

        God does not hate anyone, I am sorry for your struggles, you had it rough. But GOD DOES NOT HATE ANYONE, Even as Jesus was being led to the cross he prayed to His Father that He would have mercy upon them, “for they know not what they do” Jesus himself prayed for the people who were about to murder him BECAUSE He still loved them. And you think that that same God would hate someone just for being lazy. If that is what you think, you don’t know God at all. And yet He still loves you just as much as he loves me.

      • Alaric Viola

        God hates SIN. So tell me, those sinners who will be destroyed at the end, does God love them? I believe perhaps Christ may, but you forget, w/o Christ’s interjection, NONE of us would make it to Heaven. God loves Christ. It is His love for Christ that allows Him to accept humanity. And yes, I know God better than most. But then, my walk with God is my own and known better by me than anyone, the same as it is with you. Now explain why Christ would have to ask God for mercy for us? Why would a god who loves us so and hates us not, need to be merciful towards us? Think about it.

      • cole

        “God loves Christ. It is His love for Christ that allows Him to accept humanity.”….

        I would like to reply to you, but please be aware that I respect your views and I want you to know that I take no offense at you at all.

        That being said, could it be possible that you are only seeing part of the picture here….”For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son…..”I’m sure you are familiar with this verse….Is it not evident that God already loved the world before Jesus was sent to pay the penalty for our sins. Now we may be reconciled with Him if we accept Jesus as Lord and receive Christ in our hearts as Savior. ….. I cannot profess to know the mind of God as “His ways are higher than our ways, and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts”… My human mind cannot even begin to fathom how our one God who is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit would speak each with one another. Christ does ask for mercy for us, so I do not have an answer to you exact question, but I do know He Loves us as Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. It is my belief that Jesus was sent to make a way for God to be reconciled with us (sinners) but He loves us regardless of whether or not we accept or reject Him. But I do know that without accepting Jesus, you cannot enter into His kingdom (heaven) when you die.

      • Guest

        Which doesn’t change anything I said.

      • Alaric Viola

        He also said, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.” Remember that one? Those who will sacrifice and work towards their needs and desires should be helped and as stated their are programs for such people. But the lazy, the swine who simply want you to work for them and care for them while they do nothing to improve their situation……………… You get my point yet?

      • cole

        Alaic, (my belief) .. “Cast not your pearls unto swine” has a deeper meaning that maybe you have missed. He is not using it to give people permission to judge and to think themselves better than someone they deem as being lazy. The tone of your comment strongly implies an animosity towards those you label as “lazy.” … Instead, this verse serves to warn people who have wisdom not to be surprised that many people will care more about doing what they want rather than choosing to do what is right. If you speak wise words to people with this attitude, not only will they dismiss it but they insult you and mock your wise words. This purpose of the verse is to warn and protect those who value and grow in Godly wisdom. Jesus is not using this particular analogy to warn the swine about the consequences of their wrong behavior. … Now do you get my point… Having a judgmental attitude implies a distinct lack of wisdom, look again at your prevous post and try to convince anyone else who would read it that you have anything but contempt for those you deem as lazy.

      • Alaric Viola

        EXACTLY!!!! In other words, do not give your resources to those who would waste them instead of improving their station! THAT is my point. For those who give an honest effort and still need help, for those who try to be self reliant but need that nudge to get there, THOSE are the people Welfare programs were intended for. NOT those who would do nothing except make claim upon others to improve their station. My judgement arises from wisdom. I used to be naive and try to help as many as I could. Till I discovered only some were worth the effort and the rest were simply conning me out of my resources so they wouldn’t have to gather their own. Do I still help people? Ask those guys who work for me and put an honest effort forth. They’ll tell you yes. Of course those with entitlement issues who can’t earn a raise or keep a job might tell you different.

        And I love how you attributed something about judging others into the, “Caste NOT….” quote, then made my exact point. Perhaps YOU just want to JUDGE me, and that is why you are reading into what I say whatever you can use to judge me, rather than what is actually said. After all, where did I say, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.” had anything to do with judging? I didn’t. Nice try though. My point in using the phrase was to illustrate your exact definition of it. I’m sorry if the truth of my words strikes nerves, but it is meant too.

      • cole

        I would like to pay you a high compliment. Many people start out in life with good intentions and a good heart that seeks to help people who are in need. What impresses me about you is the strength of character it took to still want to help those in need, even after being deceived, used and taken advantage of by those people who are just out for #1. So many people turn jaded, hard and bitter as a result and let their giving spirit wither and die. I’m very glad to see that you still want to help people who are in real need…God bless you Alaric, and the good you do will come back to you multiplied many times over…..

      • Alaric Viola

        Thank you. He does. God bless you as well my friend.

        Here’s a Christmas story from my life I often tell this time of year, to help bolster those who do put an honest effort forth.

        When I was 17, I was suffering a bad year.

        Christmas was on the horizon and the gifts we were buying for each other included mostly things like socks and underwear. It was what I call a Welfare Christmas. My parents almost divorced. I got passed up for a job promotion at my minimum wage job and had to train the guy who got the job.

        Things were pretty down to say the least.

        As I was walking down the stairs from the apartment I shared with my brother and his now wife, I took a moment and pleaded to the one being who always showed me comfort. As I looked into the sky I said, “God, if there really is a Santa Clause, a Spirit of Christmas, or any such thing, then I want a magic carpet like Aladdin had in the movie.”

        Disney had just put out Aladdin in theaters and it was my favorite movie at the time.

        I asked for a magic carpet because I knew none existed. I was, in a way, proving to myself no such Spirit existed and that this life of hardship was all there was. I was asking God for the impossible as proof!

        When I was done, I lowered my head and continued down the stairs to my brother’s car, so I could go to work. As I neared it, I noticed there on the ground, right next to the driver’s side door something peculiar. There was a little toy magic carpet from an Aladdin playset waiting for me. Tears filled my eyes and I looked once more to the Heavens and said, “Thank You God. At least now I know You’re listening.”

        This was not the 1st or last evidence of God in my life, but it is one of the ones I hold most dear. God answered my impossible wish.

        Life is still a struggle. It still has its trials and difficulties for me. But I’m far better off today than yesterday and the future constantly looks brighter. It was my Faith that got me here. That and God’s ability to answer impossible wishes. He can answer your’s too.

      • Mary

        You should share this story(about the magic carpet) on Squire Rushnell’s “God Winks” fb page. Seriously!

      • Alaric Viola

        Thank you for just saying that. I’ve been getting annoyed with everyone attacking me for my stance and twisting my words because my truth stings, but all of which have been unable to defend their own stance in the face of my arguments. So I’ll take your request as one from God and through you, and do it. I think He’d like that and it will serve to help others keep swinging even when it’s the bottom of the 9th.

      • normbreyfogle

        But that’s only a very tiny fraction of those being aided by our safety net, so your point is overblown and therefore irrelevant.

      • Alaric Viola

        Really? Only a tiny fraction? And what is your source for this? Because I started out broke and poor and considering the type of work I do, I hire poor broke folks, used to being in that state. Now, having started out that way, and having hired plenty, worked with plenty, befriended plenty, (of poor folks that is) from my experience, I believe you have things backwards. But then, I’m not using some poll or guessing. I’m using real world experience and observation to make my claims. What is more, how many or few isn’t the point of my post. It was “hate(ing) the lazy”. Considering I actually have a basis for my comments, and you have presented none, your point is B.S. and therefore irrelevant. But then that’s what all the illegal immigrants who manage to make a living and still send $ home, by working for less pay than Americans, doing jobs “Americans won’t do”, probably think as well, while all these poor Americans can’t seem to find a job. See, that’s what a lazy poor person does; finds excuses and without any good argument, dismisses the truth and mocks it. Meanwhile, a hard working self reliant poor person goes out there and makes darn sure that illegal immigrant doesn’t take a job from him/her. Then, through hard work and honest effort, (s)he gets noticed and appreciated, through promotions and raises. Eventually that poor person isn’t poor anymore. But I wouldn’t expect a lazy person to understand that. After all, lazy has become the norm. So I guess in your mind, it’s not lazy at all, just normal. And THAT’S what’s wrong with America today. To many entitlement issues, excuses, etc., not enough of the die hard, make it or break attitude that once made America great. No. We’d just rather let the Mexicans do it and then whine that we can’t find a job.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        You know God better than most.
        Your level of arrogance just gets more and more astounding.

      • Alaric Viola

        Since I have studied it more than most scholars on the subject, yes I do know more than most. I didn’t say all. Most would be 51% of the population. Yes, I know more than most. I’ve studied Christianity, along with many other religions, not just on Sun or Wen. I have done so from the time I could read to this very day. It takes 1 hour of reading a day for 7 years in a given subject to make a person an expert. I have studied over 3 decades. Anything else you want to attack or are you actually going to start defending something with actual logic instead of cheap and weak insults?

      • Doug Sowter

        you are a idiot..

      • Jo Clark

        Wow what a pontificating full of crap statement that was! You must be exhausted, expending all that energy against all those lazy poor folks!

        See, there’s your first mistake. You think everyone who is poor is lazy. You are too self-centered to see that many are elderly, many are children, many are veterans, many are active duty military, and yes, many are actually full-time employed being screwed by the corporate structure too greedy to pay them living wages.

        DDP, another commenter in reply to you, nailed it. You validate this entire article. I bet you call yourself Christian too, right?

        I read the most interesting article the other day about why republicans demonize the poor so much, from a psychological standpoint. Based on a ton of research, many have concluded that the reason you hate the poor so much is that you feel they deserve what they get, because they’re just basically losers. So, that, said, I refer you back to my second paragraph.

        It takes all kinds to make the world go ’round. We need our bus drivers, our mechanics, our fast food workers, our social workers, yada yada yada. Everyone has a niche in this world. No human is better than another, especially because of what they own or how much they’re worth.

        Frankly, you disgust me.

      • Alaric Viola

        Where do I say that all who are poor are lazy. See, there’s your 1st mistake. 😉 Assuming you know what I mean when you add your own words to it. You must be poor and justifying your laziness. What I said was, “No one hates the poor. We hate the lazy.” After all, I said right out, “There are plenty of formerly poor folks that are now wealthy beyond measure.” Yes there are humans better than others and worse than others. Otherwise MLKjr. would just be a common man and Hitler would be no more a monster than you.

        Frankly, your act of changing what I said to justify your own words, (which is crap) disgusts me.

        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Alaric Viola

        That’s great, cuz I’m not Catholic. Catholicism is what perverted Christianity in the 1st place, which you would know if you were an actual Christian seeker, instead of someone who blindly accepts what has been spoon fed them as “religion” their whole life. Outside of the Bible, what Christian works have you studied? Have you studied Christian history even? If you had, you would most likely leave Catholicism for a more honest form of Christianity.

        For all my “haters” out there…. 😉 a little bit of introduction is in order.

        I am a small business owner who worked his way from the ground up. Most of my improvements in my life resulted from buying equipment that would make me more money. That takes sacrificing to gather those resources. I AM NOT wealthy, though my life is, for the most part, comfortable. This is not because of what I have, but because of what I am content with. I am actually, if you base it on what my take home $ is, below the poverty level. Until recently, I owned only tube screen TVs, but my father in law is getting up there where he needs our help some and moved in, bringing his flatscreen with him. However, my bills are few or small. I am frugal for the most part. My parents are both immigrants who came here from separate countries with nothing and worked hard to get where they are. Again, I’m not rich, but through conscious effort and wise choices, my life continuously improves. I am considered below the poverty line and yet, through my proper decisions, I have managed a fairly comfortable life with few expenses. For example, I don’t have the latest iphone. I don’t even have an old one, or a smart phone for that matter. Why not? I don’t need one. I have a $35 phone with a $35 a month bill, which is all I NEED…….. You want to criticize me for saying so many are poor or needy because they are lazy? (Which is what I said and not this crazy all poor people are lazy B.S. many of you accuse me of saying.) Well, if this isn’t true, then explain to me why there are so many unemployed AMERICANS, and yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many illegal aliens here MAKING A LIVING doing jobs that are often touted as jobs “Americans won’t do”? Think about it. Don’t just go spouting off. Really think about it. Don’t just pick the little part that ticks you off because it calls you out. Think about the whole thing.

        Doing jobs ………….. “Americans won’t do” …………….

        “MAKING A LIVING” doing so……………….

        Yeah I’ve actually thought about this subject for a loooooooooooooooong time, not just in recent times. My life forced me to see it for what it was and not what you idealists think it should be, as well as why.

        I used to be that compassionate person who helped whenever and wherever I could. Till I found myself spinning my wheels too often and my help going to naught but a temporary band-aid that only drained my resources. I wasted lots of time and resources on many people that could have gone to those more deserving, so excuse me if I want proof of effort and some example that my resources are going someplace worthwhile rather than just being wasted. Welfare programs were intended to help people be as much as they could, to become more than they were, to help them make something of themselves and give them breaks along the way. It WAS NOT intended to live off of, which many do and is why the system is now broken.

        To all my Christian brethren, “Caste NOT your pearls unto swine.”

      • Wendy Pollock

        u said “we”, so u had 2 incomes, that makes things alot easier. if u had accomplished that on ur own, just one income, then i would pat u on ur back. but, as a poor person with only one income, i say “stop judging”

      • Alaric Viola

        Actually, no, we didn’t have 2 incomes, but I do find it interesting how much you assume in an attempt to punch holes in my debate. Actually, I raised my son for 12 years w/o the help of his mother. So, I’m waiting for that pat on my back. What is more, no one is stopping couples from having two incomes. My current wife and I had 2 incomes for 2 years.

      • Ignatz

        [No one hates the poor. We hate the lazy.]

        As long as they’re poor. The idle rich get their asses kissed.

      • Alaric Viola

        By whom? Do you kiss their @$$3$? I don’t. It sounds more like you’re jealous they were able to put themselves in that position and you haven’t been able to. I’m not there either…….. yet. But I’m working my @$$ off to get to the point where I can be idle and rich. Getting there takes a lot of effort and sacrifice. See, being lazy AND comfortable takes a lot of up front hard work. Either that or their parents or another ancestor put that work in and bought their family’s freedom and comfort for generations to come. Of course, instead of doing the same thing for yourself and your family, by working hard and making the sacrifices necessary to gain such things for yourself, you’d rather just be upset someone else something and you don’t. You’re not going out there trying to get it. You’re just whining that you don’t have it and someone else does. Well, let me tell you a secret of life. Unless you go out and get it, you’re not going to have it. Their having it, isn’t the reason you don’t have it. AND,….. if they didn’t have it, it wouldn’t suddenly make you have it. So quit complaining about what you haven’t gathered for yourself and others have, and start gathering it for yourself. Or just keep sitting there complaining while the world continues on without you. The choice and your future are in YOUR hands, not your complaints.

        Now see, I know you’re going to say something about those born into wealth, but here’s the thing. You shouldn’t be mad at them because their forefathers put in the effort and sacrifices to get their family there. Again, even if they didn’t have it, you wouldn’t suddenly have it yourself. (Unless you steal it from them.) So don’t be mad at them for being born rich. Get mad at your forefathers instead, that they didn’t work hard enough and sacrifice enough, so that you could be idle rich. And then, when your kids aren’t idle rich either, get mad at yourself.

      • Ignatz

        So, you are aware that for the most part, poor people work harder than rich people.

        So stop call them lazy. Especially since you admit that your goal is to BE lazy.

      • Alaric Viola

        I am aware for the most part that most are lazy. Again, I’m using real world experience, not some made up %, like yourself. And yes, I AM working my @$$ off so I can be “idle and rich” like most retired people who worked hard while they were able. And I will call lazy, lazy until they aren’t lazy any more. And rich people, whether it be themselves or their forefathers, worked HARD to put their family where they are at. Maybe YOU should quit expecting the world to make a living for you and go make your fortune too, instead of just complaining others have it and you don’t. After all, that’s what lazy people do. Hard working folks go out and get their’s. Which is what I’m doing and you apparently aren’t.

        As far as poor folks working harder goes…… I work harder than ANY employee I have and most of the money I make goes to keep the business going so my employees can continue to work and to grow the business, so one day all my HARD work will pay off and I can retire and be “idle and rich”.

        So go stuff it. Or make some more excuses why you and or others can’t do for yourselves. Please go spew more about how the world owes all these poor people who give up jobs to illegal immigrants some kind of living. OR……… you can do like those who are actually succeeding at life and go out and get your’s. Of course I doubt you will. You’ll most likely just spew more excuses rather than do what it takes to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and become the master of your universe. No, I’m sure you’ll just continue on as you have, whining that someone else needs to take care of you while the country continues to go into deeper debt and jobs are shipped over seas or done by HARD WORKING illegal immigrants. Because that’s what lazy people do.

      • Ignatz

        Thank you, I make a bit more than $80,000 a year. And I know for a damned fact that I don’t work nearly as hard as when I made $18,000 a year.

        [instead of just complaining others have it and you don’t]

        All you are DOING is complaining about what others have and you don’t. Even though you fantasize about what others have. Because you have a psychological need to pat yourself on the back and pretend that you’re better than other people. You’re not. They work just as hard as you, or harder.

      • Alaric Viola

        Congrats. Maybe one day you can retire and be “idle and rich” too. And you worked hard to get there, didn’t you? Or did you just miraculously get the job? Somehow, I think you must have worked to EARN it 1st.

        Where did I complain about what others have and I don’t?

        I don’t fantasize about what others have. I do dream about what I’m WORKING towards though.

        I have a psychological need to pat myself on the back and pretend that I’m better than other people? Really? Please explain. Because the way I see it, I have a psychological need for others to stop complaining and do what they need to do to make their lives better instead of expecting others to do it for them.

        “They work just as hard as you, or harder.”

        Really? You know how hard I work? Because I just pulled 2, 12 hour shifts with a thrown out back, picking up furniture. What is more, I’m the 1st one up and there in the morning and the last one off. Do you work for me or know me and the guys who work for me? No. So you have no idea how hard I work, what I sacrifice or how it compares to those who work for me.

        Now I’m going to explain a practice I learned from a former boss. He was right btw. I discovered this once I started my own business and had to start hiring and firing folks. We needed to hire 5 new guys to fill out a telecom installation crew. My boss hired 40. When I asked why, he explained only 5 out of the 40 were going to be worth a damn on average. It took only a couple weeks to figure out which 5 guys were staying and why the other 35 were going to be laid off. Since I started my own business, my numbers run close to the same. That’s 87.5% that can’t keep a job or get a raise. 12.5% show up to do a job. 87.5% show up to get a paycheck. And of those 87.5% (which is MOST btw) an alarming number ask me to write them letters saying they work for me at 20 hours or so a week, so they don’t have to go to the job interviews Welfare sends them out to. I never write those letters btw. But it is amazing how many guys I have to fire because they are only there to pick up a check and not to do a job, then want me to lie to the government so they can continue to pick up a welfare check and NOT look for a job.

        BTW, if you make $80k a year, I doubt you know many poor folks. I on the other hand, do. Again, I use real world experience. You use ideologies that don’t reflect the real world.

      • Moe Syzlak

        Ummm, where in the bible does it EVER say that God hates anyone? Words that are typical republican ignorance of Christianity and God’s unconditional and ever abounding love for EVERYONE…even republicans. If a lazy person accepts Christ as savior but is still lazy, are they less worthy of salvation than someone who works their butts off? Work ethic isn’t a condition of salvation and you will never see mention of that anywhere.

        I’m a disabled veteran, earned two degrees (B.S. and Masters…I know, I’m an elitist) and became a teacher although I can no longer work and yes, I received a disability check. Am I lazy? Do republicans hate me because I don’t work? Does God hate me now because sometimes I enjoy not having to work anymore?

        By the way, the Seven deadly sins are never mentioned in the bible. Are you aware of that? It does say in the bible that ‘For the wages of sin is death.’ (Romans 6:23) so even if laziness is a sin, all sins are equal. Another point regarding your comment; Judging, which I am very guilty, is a sin as well. ‘Do not judge or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged by the measure you use.’ (Matthew 7:1-2).

        Anyway, hope you open your eyes and ears.

      • Alaric Viola

        You should read the rest of my comments below, where I addressed all you said already by those who voiced much the same arguments as yourself. BTW, I said “Catholics declared……..” I’m very picky about the words I use, unlike many who have commented after me. It seems many miss what is actually said, in place of what “offends” them. But offending is what I’m trying to do. After all, I’m offended by the laziness and entitlement issues much of America has. You’re disabled? People like you are what welfare programs are designed for. They weren’t designed for people who can work and won’t. As I stated, I addressed all arguments already in other posts below.

      • FrankWm

        Passing judgment, laziness, and all other sins are equally worthy of condemnation. God is too holy to admit sin into his kingdom. In other words, if we all got what we deserved, none of us would go to heaven. Enter Jesus, who died (and rose) for us, so we don’t have to be too stringent about the original Mosaic law. Space doesn’t allow a whole lot of theology here, but as 2 Cor 5:17 attests, a Christian is a new creation in which the old is gone and the new has come.
        This does not mean we should stay sinful. Salvation is not an insurance policy, and we shouldn’t just get it to keep on sinning (Rom 6:1-2). We should ALWAYS pursue holiness. We are always dying to sin and living to God.

        As far as God hating people, I’m not positive. As a Calvinist believer, I believe that God ordained whoever will be saved before their creation, so the non-elect may have a limited amount of God’s love (i.e., in the “common graces” to all humanity, such as natural talents, etc.). Not sure about that. But hey, that’s a great question for your pastor when you see him/her.

      • Green_Devil

        ” When my 1st kid was born, we had to go on Welfare to get medicade.”

        And this was available to you.

        The GOP wouldn’t have given you anything.

        As for hating the lazy- apparently your code word for anyone on welfare, let me run this “for instance” by you.

        You’re a teller at a bank when the 2008 economic crash hits. You lose your job and because every other bank was affected, there are no teller jobs out there. Just at your bank chain alone, 30,000 people were let go. People are desperate for any work whatsoever but even for crap jobs like cashier at McDonalds, there are hundreds of applicants and they certainly have no interest in a middle-aged person who they feel will be unhappy working hard for minimum wage.

        So because you can’t find work, are you lazy?

        See, this is the thing with you people. You lack empathy. You don’t take into consideration the circumstances and you broadly paint anyone who takes assistance as lazy.

        Were you lazy when you took assistance? Or a victim of circumstances and grateful that the government was there to help you out in your worst time of need?

        Remember, bud, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” You’re clearly “with sin”.

      • Colin Robinson

        And millions of people work every hour they get and still have to apply for food stamps.
        I was utterly shocked to find that US soldiers have to apply for food stamps to feed their families.
        The war on the poor that you appear so in favour of is overwhelmingly a war on the hard working.

      • Ginger Martinez

        grants, scholarships and low interest loans? scholarships are usually dependent on grades. loans are dependent on credit and grants are dependent on income. None are easy to receive. I did, and I accomplished what I desired. It was not easy. If you have children you need childcare. If you have little income, how are you to buy food, pay utilities and still afford childcare? I was lucky, my parents helped in the evenings, fed them and me and helped with utilities. Most people don’t have that kind of help. I was a single mother of three. One income at minimum wage. Worked part time delivering pizza. Was not able to work an additional job during clinicals in Nursing School.

      • Ginger Martinez

        Tell me again how lazy I am. I had to go on Medicaid for every pregnancy because doctors would not see me without insurance or the total amount up front. I had to quit 3 jobs. I wanted to pay installments and none allowed it. Please try to understand the purpose of welfare. It has helped many to advance in their lives to get out of poverty.

      • Alaric Viola

        My dad was a full time Marine and held 2 other jobs on the side. You do what you have to do and if you work at it hard and honestly enough, you get a chance to reap the rewards.

      • Margaret Mills

        Who are YOU to judge who is “lazy?”

      • Ed

        No one supports lazy, not even hard working democrats, so what is your point? What are you hanging onto here?

      • Alaric Viola

        I’m hanging on to, work hard and earn your way. If you need help, there’s help to be had. If you’re taking advantage, then these programs weren’t intended for you.

      • Benjie

        This is a lie out and out. There are plenty of health programs that don’t require one to be on wholesale assistance.. Nice try

      • Alaric Viola

        Now who’s lying here? Are you saying these programs don’t exist? Because if you are, you’re full of it.

      • Alaric Viola

        Why? Because you say so? Pfft! There are plenty. You can google them.

    • David

      Tell me how Godly it is that liberals have executed 50 million babies? Is it Godly to bring a baby to crowning, drill a hole in his/her skull and suck the brains out? Please do tell me about the Godly beliefs of liberals.

      • Nicole

        Please show me the PROOF that something like that has happened. Or is this one of those lies the Repubs like to make just like the “everyone on welfare is abusing the sysem” lie y’all love to spread. PS: So incredibly thankful that Planned Parenthood was available (in Texas, no less!) when I got pregnant my second year of college. I took A PILL to abort the fetus. There was no drilling holes into a fetus head, and my life is better because I was not mentally or financially stable enough to have children at that point in my life.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Hey, David….it’s people like you who want to outlaw the birth control pill, which simply keeps a woman from ovulating so that she doesn’t get pregnant in the first place. If you really cared so much about “saving babies” you’d be on every street corner handing out free condoms and lobbying your GOP politicians to make the Pill, IUDs and diaphragms both available and cheap for women who want them. And by the way….why don’t people like you picket fertilization clinics, where fertilized eggs–human beings by YOUR definition–are throw into the trash by the thousands? Why aren’t your political heroes calling for those clinics to be shut down? Could that be because FCs are a billion dollar business, that serve people who can pay $10,000+ a try? Surely not!

      • Linda Leigh Grant-Trottier

        Speak it Cathryn!! you took the words right out of my mouth, this misconception ( wow that is actually kinda punny) about regular birth control and as well the “day after pill” is sickening, and I am so glad someone actually said something about the hypocracy of all those eggs being thrown away ( geez I hope this doesn’t catapult these people to start picketing the fertility clinics too! ) Birth control should be available for every woman and man to access without fear of some radical screaming at them from across the street as they enter these clinics..

      • Alaric Viola

        I’m pro-life, but also believe in birth control. If birth control was used more, abortion would no longer be used as birth control. In fact we could then change the name to pregnancy control.

      • Alaric Viola

        Here’s my issue w/ abortion. Often a man is told he has no say in the matter of his child, even if he wants it and would care for it by himself. What would a woman think if the same was said of her? Yet if the man doesn’t want the child and the mother does, everyone still expects him to pay child support. And for the record, I have custody of my son and get no child support, and I’m a father. What is more, the child gets no say and everyone in the pro-choice camp thinks those who would speak for and defend the child have no right to. And I know all the arguments. Blah, blah. But when it comes down to it, abortion nurses will tell you the children feel pain, and DNA tests will always reveal the fetus as a human being.

      • bette

        Why do you think Liberals believe in abortion anymore than anyone else? That is just another lie ! And where on earth do you get your figures and information, please post your source. I am a Liberal, I hate abortion, I myself have an adopted child, I would never have an abortion. But I am pro-choice, as I do not have the right to tell others what they can or cannot do . That is a moral issue that many women struggle with, but it is for God to judge, not you and Republicans. Do you honestly think people on the Right do not have abortions? They use it as a social issue to fire up their base, but in reality that is it! You need to educate yourself, Liberals love God just as much as anyone who is Christian, we work hard, raise our families, but the best thing is we help the poor and needy and don’t judge why they are poor and needy. If you care to check most of those on food stamps are the Working poor, but who is it that just again voted down a raise in the min. wage, give people a living wage and the can get off needing help, instead of calling them “lazy”. So tell me how those are Godly beliefs coming from the Right? And abortion has no party affiliation, just to inform you!

      • Cathryn Sykes

        When a Republican woman needs an abortion, she just flies off to Europe on a “vacation.”

      • Fedup

        How can someone love a fetus and not want to help a baby who may born into poor conditions?

      • Alaric Viola

        (y)

  • Regrets

    There’s an obvious pandering that goes on in politics. The whole idea that certain Republicans think themselves the “Christian party”, is a play to that. It is unfortunate that some Republicans (and Democrats, let’s be fair), have decided to drag Jesus Christ’s name through this dredge. We have to realize that dirty politicians will evoke whatever name to get themselves nominated and voted for, whether they be blue or red.

    I, for one, am tired of the ultra-right and ultra-left. Moderation, or lessening or complete deprivation, of self-indulgence is what’s needed now when it comes to our nation’s leaders. An honest man in Washington is hard to find, most everybody elected has their pockets lined by this or that racket.

    Whatever happened to serving your country?

    • Alaric Viola

      It has now been scientifically proven that the more power a person perceives their self having, the more the center of the brain dealing with compassion closes off, until it can completely shut down. This would result in all but the most uncommon of men or women to become completely apathetic towards those they view below them, if elevated to such a position. The probability of mankind to produce a “benevolent dictator” is minute at best.

      One of the biggest problems is that those who want to be in office more often than not, shouldn’t be; and those who should be in office more often than not don’t want to be.

  • Paul Caporino

    The GOPs are the Anti-Christs then.

    • Andrea

      No, there is much worst things to come before that one shows his face.

  • Kenneth Cowles

    All the Republican tout GOD< CHIRST< CHRISTIONS, as long as it gets the back water folks to believe they love GOD and Country. When in fact they believe only in Big Bussiness and self power. I am a believer, and it grives me to hear aLL THE CRAP THESE FAKES SAY IN THE NAME OF gOD.

  • Harshman

    I just hope the irresponsible, reprehensible actions of the right wing extremists will come back to take a very huge chunk out of their butts at election time!

  • Bill

    These Republicans follow Christianity the same way they follow the Constitution: extremely selectively.

    • Alaric Viola

      All people do. Why do you think so many forgot Christ was a rebel and was arrested for a violent act? No, no. Everyone just wants to believe he was the Prince of Peace, someone over whom more wars were fought than any other. It’s like equal rights. No one cares about equal rights. They just care about their rights. Expectant fathers are being told they have no say in the abortion issue or the fate of their child. They and the child’s rights are trampled upon in favor of “equal” rights for women.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Do you spend nine months growing the child? Do you take the risks associated with pregnancy? If you don’t want a fetus that you created aborted, either use a condom or don’t have sex!

      • Alaric Viola

        Actually, I’ve spent the last 12 years growing my son w/o any help from his mother. I take risks every time I walk out the door, as do you. If pregnancy was so risky, then the human race wouldn’t be as prolific as it is. So that sounds like a B.S. excuse much like most pro-choicers give, for the right to kill children they don’t want and were to irresponsible to protect against, but still want the right to not be held accountable for such actions. And on the flip side, if the woman doesn’t want to get pregnant, isn’t it just as much her responsibility to prevent it? Why do you place the responsibility solely on the man but refuse him rights in the fate of the child? So what you’re saying is that because the man was supposedly the sole responsible person in charge of birth control, if the two get pregnant and she doesn’t want to be, she can then use abortion as birth control? Wow! What a load of crap! I bet while you decide the fate of children with no concern for either the father or child, if you decide the child should live, you’d want the father who doesn’t want the kid to pay child support. That’s the view and actions of a self centered hypocrite. If you don’t want the kid, the father has no choice but to let the kid die. If you do want the kid and the father doesn’t, you probably still expect him to at least monetarily care for the child. You want your cake and to eat it too. THAT’S what’s most wrong with the world as I said. Everyone only cares about their rights and privileges, not each other’s. Thanks for making my point. And btw, I’m sure all the souls that didn’t even get to see life after birth are really accepting of your view, considering you don’t seem to consider them or their rights which were ripped from them along with their life.

        BTW, with your attitude, if everything was flipped, I can 80% guarantee you would become what you seem to hate.

        But hey! At least when you were too irresponsible to use birth control, because you irresponsibly put the responsibility on someone else and not yourself, it didn’t matter. You didn’t have to own up or pay for your mistakes. That’s good. It’s good that while guys like me dropped out of college to care for their kid, people like you were able to manage to not have to go through the same experience simply by taking away the rights of others in favor of your freedom from responsibility and only at the small cost of a child’s life.

  • Exetarian

    What is it with Progressives that they think they have a monopoly on virtue and a monopoly on interpreting Christianity or, for that matter, Republican values? How hard is it to believe that someone believes in helping the poor WITH THEIR OWN MONEY but has a problem with employing the power of the state to do it WITH SOMEONE ELSE’S MONEY at the expense of the many great things people can do individually? Most of which end up helping the poor even more. You want someone to have a handout or a job? Did Jesus preach statism and state-sponsored welfare? No. He preached voluntary charity because it blesses the giver and the receiver and joins them together spiritually, which is ultimately more important than temporal welfare. Progressives need to take another page from Jesus… humility. Stop thinking your answers are the only answers, you arrogant know-it-alls. And you wonder why people think you’re all a bunch of snotty academics.

    • lol

      Oh, snotty academics. Quit it, you’re cutting deep.

      • Exetarian

        That says a lot. As the old adage goes, those who can’t… teach. And since the only economists who support Obama’s “economic plan” are the academics who don’t actually have jobs working for companies — they’re little more than theoreticians. Which is what academia is about. Theory. Not reality. Bunch of arrogant cowards who couldn’t earn a living at a real job if it landed on their heads.

    • Joan Sutton

      You embody that which you condemn.

      • Exetarian

        Which says more about you than me since I’m not condemning anyone. Merely asking progressives to back off and mind their own business. Asking the judgmental to not be so judgmental is not, in itself, being judgmental. Got it?

      • Alaric Viola

        If you haven’t been paying attention to their arguments, which it seems you have, you might want to recognize that they get confused easily and mix up and twist the posts of others often. It might not be in the best interests of your argument to confound and confuse them more.

    • joynlife

      I would like to believe that a “true Christian” would not care how the needy get help, as long as those less fortunate got the help they need to survive. I personally, prefer my tax dollars give a hand up to those that need it, rather than lining the pockets of millionaires that support wars that only benefit the oil companies.

      • Exetarian

        Then you don’t understand that a true Christian would not condone stealing from one person to give to another. They respect the free will God gave all mankind, even the free will of millionaires to not help the poor. Do unto others also means… Don’t steal. Help the poor with your own money in your own way.

      • Buckthesystem

        So the person that has the money to set up the business or has the idea, but then gets rich off the labor of the people working for min wage is not only taking someone else’s money but could be likened to slavery. The people making money in the stock market are also profiting off someone else loosing money in the stock market, sounds like legal theft to me because they are mostly acting on info that only they are privy to.

      • Exetarian

        Slavery is coerced labor. People who work for minimum wage are free to quit and go work for someone else if they don’t like the terms. Theft is when someone’s money is taken against their will. If anything, the stock market is more like a craps table. Everyone is there of their own free will fully understanding the risks. You can’t steal from the willing. So your analogies are rather pedestrian.

      • Alaric Viola

        You aren’t forced to work for anyone. Before taking a job, you know what your earnings will be. It isn’t at all slavery. Some people don’t have the money at first. Either they save by making sacrifices others won’t, or else they maintain a proper budget and build enough credit to take a chance. I’ll submit Exetarian’s comment in regards to the rest. Really, when presented with logic, liberals really seem to grasp at any straw they can to condemn others. I’ve seen more hypocrisy out of liberals than anyone, Republicans, Independents, Etc.

      • Alaric Viola

        So stealing from Peter to give to Paul is ok? It doesn’t matter where the money came from after all, right? With that analogy, if I were to go into your home and take 1/3rd of what belongs to you and give it to those in need, it would be ok. I know a few needy and deserving folks. When’s your next vacation? I mean, with where it’s going and all, I’m sure a good Christian like you won’t mind.

    • Alaric Viola

      Heh! I love you!

  • Sylvia

    I’ve always been a Christian, but I have no idea what Republicans mean when they say that they have “Christian Values”. Their actions don’t show the “Christian Values” I was taught. I was taught to love my fellow man, with no exception. I was taught to care for those who had less than I do and help the poor. Republican “Christian Values” seem to revolve around sex.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      AND MONEY!

      • Alaric Viola

        In that case, the same holds true w/ democrats, or else you wouldn’t have brought it up. Do you not care about money? Are you fine w/o it? If not, than it is a viable and important topic. After all, how many times do you want to raise the debt ceiling? Until our money is worthless?

    • Alaric Viola

      Sex is a very human topic. It helps the species continue on. Sounds like an important topic. Not all Republicans are Christian.

  • Lanin Thomasma

    Don’t tell me you’re a “Christian” when you so off-handedly condemn your brother for not believing like you. Flaming hypocrite.

    • Alaric Viola

      Exactly. I don’t know where she thinks in that passage that I’m going to hell. But whatever. “Judge not….” they say, while completely missing the point and casting judgement themself. She likes to be selective about her Christianity to allow her to justify her own selfish and self centered actions, while condemning others. And folks wonder why I’m bitter. I’m bitter because so many wave a “Christian” flag to condemn others, while blatantly acting in non-Christian fashion.

  • Alaric Viola

    There are plenty of programs like grants, scholarships and low interest loans to help the poor if they so choose to help themselves. No one hates the poor. We hate the lazy. There are plenty of formerly poor folks that are now wealthy beyond measure. Mark Cuban, for example, used to live in his car. Now he owns the Dallas Mav.s. When I was 19, I had my 1st kid. 3 years later I had my 2nd. I worked along side illegal immigrants as a mover. I worked hard, pinched my pennies and made the smartest choices I could. Now I own my own business. When my 1st kid was born, we had to go on Welfare to get medicade. Even though, all we wanted was the medical, they gave us $250 a month and $400 a month in food stamps. That left us with double what we needed, but we were told it was all or nothing. It made me sick that I could do better w/o a job and be on welfare than I could having a job and not being on welfare. I was off in 3 months. My father is a former Marine. In order to provide the life he wanted for his family, he also worked jobs as a mechanic and as a busboy, at the same time and while a Marine, until he had earned a high enough pay grade to no longer need those jobs. Again, we don’t hate the poor. We hate the lazy. According to Catholicism, so does God. They declared sloth one of the 7 deadly sins.

  • David

    democrats really need to get off the crack. It’s the highest poverty in a century under Obama. After taxes, forced obamacare premiums, and other worthless programs most americans are left with 1/3 of what they earn. That is called slavery. Funny how the mass murdering democrats never bring up Jesus when you want to execute babies about to be born.

    • Bette

      There are more people on food stamps correct, maybe you have conveniently forgot about a recession stemming from the Bush years, where millions of people lost their jobs, which we are still digging out from under with no help from the obstructionist Tea Party and Republican party. And your mass murdering line is just ignorance speaking, abortion has no party lines. No one wants abortion, but until you walk in their shoes, quit judging , who made you God? That is a moral issue, not a political issue, stay out of women’s bodies.

    • Buckthesystem

      Funny how once they are born the GOP says now you are on your own. It is also the century with the highest income inequality between rich and poor, the rich got their tax cuts but forgot to pass it along in the form of jobs or pay raises they instead use it to buy elections and beat down the poor.

  • tnoiset

    Too many generalizations in this article and in the comments. Don’t you remember Jesus saying that “you will always have the poor with you.” I’m not sure WHY people are poor … bad choices somewhere along the line? or maybe a circumstance that derailed a family in a financially devastating way? Using JESUS to make your point is taking the easy way out. But what would Jesus have us to do to really make it work? The way things are set up we do not SEE what real poverty is … we pay a lot of people a lot of money (tremendous overhead) to be middle-men, and NOTHING gets fixed, and the system is taken advantage of. Democrats try to present themselves as the compassionate ones, yet they are no more connected with poverty than Republicans are … just better PR (public relations). Shut the “government programs” down, let taxpayers keep their money, then see if we, as a people, are truly compassionate or not. You may actually see people in their communities deal with the situations and help people in real need out, instead of not even knowing what is going on in the next neighborhood over.

    • Andy Kinnard

      Do you not understand that history is replete with lessons on that not working. People simply don’t give enough or regularly enough, and they tend to force indoctrination while doing it.

  • Joan Sutton

    Absolutely right. I’m in total agreement. One “Christian” told me that Jesus wouldn’t have helped the lazy poor.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      And sadly, as with most people, poor automatically equals “lazy.”

      • Alaric Viola

        Funny how so many of you keep saying that while ignoring the fact that I came from poverty and that I stated many wealthy people too came from poverty. You lump poverty and lazy together. I BLATANTLY stated, “We don’t hate the poor. We hate the lazy.” But please twist other’s words to suit you just the same as you do the Bible, my “Christian” sister.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      That “Christian” is going to hell. Matthew 25: 34-46

  • Kerri Peek

    I have seen on Christian Post of all things that condemn the poor so openly, so vehemently. I admonished them with Proverbs 22:13 “Those who shut their ears to the cries of the poor, will themselves cry out and not be heard.” They then resorted to name callung. These are not Christians, they are Neo Pharisees.

  • Christian Humanist

    Look people, arguing with this holier than thou self-righteous fool is about as productive as trying to smell the number 9. In his mind he (and other people exactly like himself) is the only one who can be right here. He thinks that the bible & his “Christianity” justify his intolerance.

  • Colin Robinson

    I like your interpretation of what jesus stood for, but I don’t agree with it. According to the gospels, he also stood for demanding complete loyalty and worship on pain of infinite torture, he also stood for the superiority of the jews. The parts of the NT written after the supposed crucifixion are even more abhorrent. Particularly Revelation. Anyone not falling into line was to be horrifically tortured on earth, then tortured for eternity.

    Assuming the gospels accurately portray the nature of jesus, (assuming he even existed for which there is no non-biblical evidence), he is not the best person to provide an example of humanity and decency.

    Better to take the examples of Sagan, Dawkins et al. There are a great many people in modern times who show far greater humanity overall than the biblical jesus ever did.

  • frelling_cute

    Sad that the Religious have come to this.

  • Zach B

    Just because someone opposes a flawed government welfare system does not make them a greedy “fake-Christian” who hates the poor! Belief it or not, there are many other charities that are more beneficial to those who have fallen on hard times that many right wing Christians give to! Many of the most generous Christians I know are Republican! This is so typical, Democrats calling Republicans “angry, judgement, hateful, and spiteful” because they oppose a flawed system. These statements are completely hypocritical and just plain ignorant.

  • Scott Woodruff

    Psalms 24:1 — “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it.”

    Leviticus 25:23 — “The land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants.”

    Haggai 2:8 — ” ‘The silver is mine and the gold is mine,’ declares the Lord Almighty.”

    1 Corinthians 6:19-20 — “You are not your own; you were bought at a price.”

    Deuteronomy 8:18 — “Remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth.”

    Romans 11:36 — “For from him and through him and to him are all things …”

    1 Corinthians 4:2 — “Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful.”

    Matthew 25:21 — “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!'” If one feels as though they are special in God’s eyes because of what they own beyond what they need . . . it’s time to get alone with Him, and listen for the whisper. The reason you have more than you need is not because you are special. Not because you have worked so hard. And the poor cannot be pigeon holed into a perceived judgement because they are poor. Acts 10:34 God doesn’t favor one over another. It never ceases to amaze me how many folks will profess themselves as Christians . . . yet seemingly have no comprehension of the ways of the Father, let alone being in a right mind with HIM.

  • FrankWm

    First of all, the poor and needy are NOT the central focus of Christianity, it is Jesus’ salvific work by his death and resurrection, that make Christianity what it is. Second, as the second part of the Divine Trinity, He had every right to judge, and in fact, at world’s end, he will judge all people! Remember, he is God in the flesh. Finally, Republicans aren’t necessarily anti-poor, it’s just that they want to give them just enough help so they can live their own lives after then. The key strategy: give them support, but don’t go overboard lest they become dependent on it.

    As a Christian and a Republican, I know better. Unless this is a satire, it’s just pure baloney.