Rick Santorum Proposes Idea That Could Lead to Science Being Banned in Public Schools (Video)

santorum-idiotIn a statement that should shock absolutely no one, former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum believes that secularism should be considered a religion so that it can be banned in schools.

While speaking with American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer, Santorum said, “I think we should start calling secularism a religion. Because if we did, then we could ban that, too, because that’s what they’ve done: they’ve hidden behind the fact that the absence of religion is not a religion of itself.”

“The freedom of religion is not the freedom from religion,” he continued.

He also went on to claim that the absence of religion is a form of religion.

Most secularists I know are people who believe in science over religion. Though it’s entirely possible to be both a Christian and a secularist. I should know, because that’s what I am. I’m a Christian, but I don’t believe religion has any place in school or our government. If you want more religion, go to church more often.

But if we started viewing secularism as a religion (which is a ridiculous notion), then wouldn’t that open the door for science to be banned from schools? After all, secularists tend to put “faith” in science, not religion. So, in turn, scientific facts could then be deemed “religious beliefs” – therefore prohibiting them to be taught in our schools.

Though there’s really no point to even think ahead that far, because for someone to consider secularism a religion is absurd. By that notion, everything is some form of religion. If someone said they believe in absolutely nothing – literally nothing at all – that would be deemed a religion according to Santorum’s “logic.”

And let’s not ignore that Santorum also essentially said that Americans have no right to be free from religion. Something fellow Republican Rick Perry has also echoed in the past.

It never ceases to amaze me how these people champion our “freedom,” while arguing that we should all be forced to adhere to some form of religious rule. That’s a complete contradiction as religion is anything but the pinnacle of freedom. In fact, religion is very restrictive and controlling. If you doubt me, I’d invite you to visit a few of the nations ruled by Islamic theocracies such as Saudi Arabia. A nation where other religions are banned and women can’t even drive, just to give you only a couple of the highly restrictive laws that are put in place thanks to religious rule of the people of Saudi Arabia.

Let’s just imagine public school curriculum based on religion, shall we?

Millions of Christians believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and the story of Noah’s ark is factual. These people believe that a man lived for about 900 years (or almost 1/6 of the supposed existence of the planet), yet there’s not a single shred of evidence that he ever existed. You would think if someone had lived for 1/6 of the history of the entire planet that there might be some concrete evidence of them actually being a real person.

But there’s not.

And that’s the type of information people like Santorum want taught in our schools as fact.

Santorum, like many others who share his beliefs, just simply doesn’t get it. Religion is religion. It’s a system of beliefs based on faith, not fact. Secularism is the belief that religion needs to be kept out of our schools and government. That religion should be practiced privately. That’s it. It’s not a religious belief. It’s not any system of beliefs at all. It’s just common sense. But even more than just being common sense, secularism is exactly what our Constitution supports.

Because the absence of any mention of religion (outside of the First Amendment which gives Americans the freedom of religion) in our Constitution isn’t by accident, but by design.

Watch the segment below via Right Wing Watch


Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • jonjstrine42

    Mr. Santorum, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent statement were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this site is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
    (Apologies to Billy Madison)

    • Robin S Summertown

      Thank you. As I was reading the whole thing it kept circling back on itself and ended up sounding more like a word mash than anything that made sense.

      • Stephen Barlow

        He’s been taking Palinese lessons.

      • Matt Stewart

        HAHA! “Palinese”!!!!

      • BudClark

        a word santorum (look it up) …

      • pennyroyal

        yes, a newly coined definition to ‘honor’ Santorum’s vile attacks on gays. (I’m straight but not narrow and bigoted).

    • Jenny Watt

      Oh thank goodness I wasn’t the only one confused by the double talk. I now need to read “A Brief History of Time” to recover brain cells.

      • pennyroyal

        my copy is beside my place at the kitchen table

    • Daniel Homkowicz

      Love the Billy Madison plagiarizing !

  • Anthonij

    It’s a very stupid argument but given that, it will likely become quite popular with the rightwing Christian fundamentalist types, who – like their Islamic fundamentalist cousins – never let logic or facts interfere with their convictions and the pursuit of their great crusade/jihad…

  • Avatar

    As of right now I considered Rick Mr. Snob Santorum a biggest direct threat to America than ever.

  • Nancy B

    Santorum can’t even come up with an original thought. I first heard the concept of secular humanism as a religion at a religious conference back in the 70’s. It was stupid then. And it’s stupid now. Christians can’t grasp the idea of “no religion”. Because they can’t use it to say “my god is better than your god”.

    • Stephen Barlow

      OUCH!!! you go girl!

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      im still waiting for their “god” to fully cure– and DOCUMENT that cure– an amputee

    • Matt Stewart

      They also can’t accept responsibility for their actions. “Satan made me/him/her/them do it”. It’s a religion of scapegoatism.

  • Grand1

    No, Rick. Science is not a religion. It is a system of reasoning, unlike religion, which depends upon faith and belief of that which cannot be proved.

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      I wanna ask rickey boy if his ” god” can fully cure– and document that cure– an amputee

    • Mark1115

      Actually, your characterization of religion is wrong, and substituting ‘science’ for ‘secularism’ is as dishonest as Mr. Frothy’s entire rant.

      Religion is based on experience.

      • Grand1

        No. Mark. Religion has nothing to do with experience, unless you consider sprituality an “experience.” Who taught you that?!

      • Mark1115

        Wrong, Grand. Religion is based on experience. Why do you lie about it? Especially, why do you lie to me about my own life?

        Remember, homophobes lie about homosexuality all the time, so what do you expect to gain by lying about religion?

        All you can do is demonstrate that you operate on the same immoral level as homophobes.

        I notice that you did not address your dishonest substitution of ‘science’ for secularism. Have you no excuses to offer for that deception?

      • Grand1

        Hardly, Mark. I do not lie about my own opinion. That is impossible. I think that faith is a gift and is not based on experience. If you had read the Bible, you would know the story of Saul (St. Paul). Clearly, you do not know what you are talking about.

      • Mark1115

        No, Grand, you are lying.

        ” I do not lie about my own opinion.”

        That was not the issue. So, you are being deceitful yet again.Z

        Your opinion does not define religion for everyone.

        “f you had read the Bible, you would know the story of Saul (St. Paul).”

        The Bible, which I have read many times, which recounts the experiences of many, many people. It even includes the account of Paul’s experience on the road to Damascus. It includes the experiences of the Israelites wandering in the desert, being disobedient and obedient in turns. It includes David’s experiences from shepherd to warrior to king.

        ” Clearly, you do not know what you are talking about.”

        How ironic. You don’t get that the Bible is full of the experiences of people – and have the conceit to lie about me.

      • Grand1

        I do not have time for ignorance. Get a dictionary and figure out what I mean.

      • Mark1115

        Go ahead and run away, admitting that I’m right by trying to insult me.

        Religion is based on experience – people’s experiences of the Divine, like Paul’s. Like Abraham’s, Moses’, Mohammed’s and the Buddha’s experiences.

        And now you’ve had an experience – that of being caught in a false, ignorant statement. Maybe you’ll even learn from it.

      • Arthur C. Hurwitz

        No it is based on the accounts of people’s experiences written in ancient texts whose origins are unknown and in which the events described are not verifiable.

      • Mark1115

        You are again lying to me, not only about my own life, but that of hundreds of people I know personally, and thousands more I know through their written testimony.

      • Arthur C. Hurwitz

        No, I am using your own intellectual paradigms against you. As you repeat again and sgain: There 8s a distinction between a phenomena and an explanation of a phenomena.

      • Mark1115

        No, you are not. Why are you so consistently dishonest? You lie about your posts, you lie about mine, you lie about my life, those of other people of faith.

        What are you hiding that requires so much deception?

      • Mark1115

        Let’s rub your nose into a few more experiences. The Qur’an is based on the experiences, of Divine revelation, that the prophet Mohammad had. The Buddha, of course, experienced something transcendent, and from that we have Buddhism.

        Returning to Christianity, the gospels, and the book of the Acts of the Apostles, tell of the experiences people had – experiences of healing, of persecution, of betraying Christ and of being forgiven. Christendom in general honors Mary not only for her experience, but for her courage through that experience.

        And Christian tradition, like that of other faiths, is full of people’s experiences, from miraculous or extraordinary experiences of the Divine actively working, lives turned around, relationships started, mended, healed.

        Even Paul’s letters that are largely expositional in nature, arise out of the experiences of the early church, for he frequently writes to address problems, concerns, arguments within the early church – things people experienced that challenged them.

      • Arthur C. Hurwitz

        His unproven explanation of a phenomena.

  • Pipercat

    Arguing to the batholith.

  • Arthur C. Hurwitz

    No one “puts their faith in Science.” Science is merely theories which have been tested and applied in the physical world successfully. So, for example, even if I don’t believe that an airplane can fly, it will anyway. That is because the it is not a matter of “faith” or belief.

    • Yes, perhaps it very well should be, especially when confronted with stuff like this! I actually happen to be both religious, and a scientist, and I don’t see a conflict between the two. My religion doesn’t hypothesize that the world was created on such and such a date, and try to make everyone believe it, and say that the data about the dinosaurs is false, because the world was not around then to have dinosaurs, etc. We aren’t that…….off the wall, i’ll leave it at that. And perhaps I should add that the other factor that is a problem here, is that he forgets that Christianity is NOT the only religion that exists. There are many other religions in existence, and there are people who believe in those religions that live right here in this country. You can not design an educational curriculum that has no scientific courses, and yet has at it;’s basis, all of these religions represented, and this man would have only Christianity represented, and I for one would object, I for one would NEVER send my children to such a school. I would NEVER subject my children to that type of brainwashing. I actually did consider at one time sending my girls to a Catholic school, because they did offer superior education at that time, and during the first 6 grades, they really needed that. however, I would never send them to a school such as what he is suggesting. The Catholic schools that I was considering also had science classes in their core curriculum. They are not foolish in the way that this man is suggesting.

      • Stephen Barlow

        They could have a worse fate.

    • Stephen Barlow

      And has also very often been disproven. The moon is NOT made of cheese and Pluto is not a planet. But there IS a new planet we didn’t have when we landed on the moon. And NO!!!!, there is no life on Mars.

    • robingee

      I call planes “Jesus Birds”

    • Mark1115

      Actually, you put your faith in scientists, when you believe their explanation for why an airplane can fly – or the atomic mass of elements. No one person could do all of the experiments, have all of the experiences, necessary to verify even a tiny portion of the body of knowledge known as science.

      And like most anti-religionists, you mischaracterize the meaning of ‘faith’ and ‘belief’ when used in the context of religion by people of faith – presenting it as an intellectual acceptance of a concept (as in science) when it is acceptance of one’s own experiences or those of others, or the character of the Divine.

      When you dismiss faith and belief in that way, you tell others that you are untrustworthy, that no one can have faith that you will keep your word, no one can believe that you will act justly.

      • Arthur C. Hurwitz

        Well no, if a Jet Airliner flies, for example, it flies whether I believe in the theories that make it fly or not. That is why it is not faith. It is the successful test of a scientific theory, again and again. This is not faith but demonstrable fact.

        I resent your characterization of me me as an “Anti Religionist” because really, I haven’t expressed any views about religion whatsoever.

      • Mark1115

        “Well no,”

        Nope. Because you continue to confuse science – the knowledge of phenomena like flying, with the actual phenomena.

        ” it flies whether I believe in the theories that make it fly or not.”

        And the Divine exists where you believe it or not.

        “It is the successful test of a scientific theory, again and again.”

        No. Science has drawn the wrong conclusion from observational evidence more than once.

        “This is not faith but demonstrable fact.”

        You have faith that the explanation why a plane flies is accurate.

        “I resent your characterization of me”

        You can resent the conclusion drawn from the observational evidence all you want, it does not change the evidence or the conclusion.

        “because really, I haven’t expressed any views about religion whatsoever.”

        Because, of course, really you have.

      • Arthur C. Hurwitz

        “”Well no,”

        Nope. Because you continue to confuse science – the knowledge of phenomena like flying, with the actual phenomena.”

        Explain to me what the difference is. If some one explains to me why something works and it does work, why should I think otherwise.

        “” it flies whether I believe in the theories that make it fly or not.”

        And the Divine exists where you believe it or not.”

        The Divine could exist but one can’t prove it. That is why it is called “Faith.”

        “”It is the successful test of a scientific theory, again and again.”

        No. Science has drawn the wrong conclusion from observational evidence more than once.”

        That is why it is Science, because it is willing to revise its conclusions as the evidence presents itself. But in all instances, its conclusions are tested to see if they work.

        “”This is not faith but demonstrable fact.”

        You have faith that the explanation why a plane flies is accurate.”

        I am open to another explaination, Are you willing to provide one?

        “”I resent your characterization of me”

        You can resent the conclusion drawn from the observational evidence all you want, it does not change the evidence or the conclusion.

        “because really, I haven’t expressed any views about religion whatsoever.”

        Because, of course, really you have.”

        Well no, most Religious people accept the findings of Science and even you do as well. Do you drive a car?, Do you avail yourself of modern medical care, Do you use electricity in your home?, Do you use a computer? The hypocrisy of people like you in incredulous!

      • Mark1115

        “Explain to me what the difference is.”

        Do you genuinely not know the difference between a phenomena, and the explanation of that phenomena?

        “The Divine could exist but one can’t prove it.”

        No, one may not be able to prove it to you. But then, one cannot prove evolution to lots of people.

        “That is why it is called “Faith.”

        Nope. Like most anti-religious bigots, you misrepresent the kind of faith involved in religion. People of faith know the Divine exists, they’ve experienced the Divine. Their faith, our faith, is in the character, the nature, the person of the Divine. Many atheists don’t get this, because they cannot be trusted themselves.

        “I am open to another explaination,”

        You are dodging the point, and that shows dishonesty on your part.

        “Well no,”

        No.

        “The hypocrisy of people like you in incredulous!”

        Your false accusation of hypocrisy is predictable, but it only reflects the inherent dishonest of your position, and of you as a person as well.

        Bear in mind, that atheism cannot meet the standards of evidence that atheists and anti-religionists like yourself demand, so the hypocrisy is actually yours.

        And that ‘people like you’ crap only demonstrates that you are a bigot, like any homophobe, like Rick Santorum.

      • Arthur C. Hurwitz

        Do you genuinely not know the difference between a phenomena, and the explanation of that phenomena?”

        The issue here is not the distinction between a phenomena and the explaination of that phenomena. The issue here is the distinction between an explaination of that phenomena and a scientific explaination of that phenomena.

        “The Divine could exist but one can’t prove it.”

        No, one may not be able to prove it to you. But then, one cannot prove evolution to lots of people.

        Why are you conflating one issue with the other? The concept of evolution is not in contradiction with the possibility of the existance of the Devine. By the way, please prove to me the existance of the Devine.

        “That is why it is called “Faith.”

        Nope. Like most anti-religious bigots, you misrepresent the kind of faith involved in religion. People of faith know the Divine exists, they’ve experienced the Divine. Their faith, our faith, is in the character, the nature, the person of the Divine. Many atheists don’t get this, because they cannot be trusted themselves

        How do you know I am an Atheist? What makes you think that I am an anti-religous bigot? Did you ever say that to you? Did I ever claim that? What does this phrase mean, “they can not be trusted themselves” not be trusted about what? If “People of Faith” know that the Devine exists, when why do they call themselves “People of Faith.”: Knowing and having faith in something is not the same thing.
        .

        “I am open to another explaination,”

        You are dodging the point, and that shows dishonesty on your part. You cannot prove that any given theory about how airplanes work is accurate. You have to trust, have faith in, the scientists who have performed the research. Just as you cannot prove that any particular medication – another application of science – works, or why it works. You have to trust, have faith in, the scientists who developed it. And sometimes, they are not worthy of that trust.

        I am not doging anything. There are explainations of why an airplane flies, and they make sense. I asked you to provide an alternative theory and you don’t have one. So since the theories explain the phenomena, I’ll accept it and by the way, so do you.

        “Well no,”

        No. You put your trust in scientists, trusting that their explanation of the phenomena you witness is accurate.

        Excuse me, theories verified by testing and experimentation.

        “The hypocrisy of people like you in incredulous!”

        Your false accusation of hypocrisy is predictable, but it only reflects the inherent dishonest of your position, and of you as a person as well.

        You are a hypocrite because you use technology and technology is a biproduct of Science. l

        Bear in mind, that atheism cannot meet the standards of evidence that atheists and anti-religionists like yourself demand, so the hypocrisy is actually yours.

        Who said anything about Atheism? This is a discussiona about Science!

        And that ‘people like you’ crap only demonstrates that you are a bigot, like any homophobe, like Rick Santorum.

        No, not bigotry, contempt. Just as you have contempt for me.

        You make a lot of noise, Arthur, but you have no argument of substance.

        Perhaps that’s true but I don’t see any argument of substance on your part which is more convincing.

      • Mark1115

        “The issue here is not the distinction between a phenomena and the explaination (sic) of that phenomena. The issue here is the distinction between an explaination (sic) of that phenomena and a scientific explaination (sic) of that phenomena.”

        No. You are confused, clearly, about the phenomena – a plane flying, and the explanation of how that plane flies. Being dishonest about that doesn’t help you.

        “Why are you conflating one issue with the other?”

        I’m not. Why are you making false accusations? Oh, maybe because you cannot address what was actually presented.

        “The concept of evolution is not in contradiction with the possibility of the existence (sic) of the Devine (sic). By the way, please prove to me the existence
        (sic) of the Devine (sic).”

        Prove that you exist.

        “How do you know I am an Atheist?”

        Nice dodge. Have you noticed, because I
        have, that you have not yet once addressed the actual point of anything you quoted? Why are you so deceitful. You are presenting the common, regurgitates, stock arguments used by atheists. Quack like an atheist enough and you convince me that you are one. It is that simple.

        “What makes you think that I am an anti-religious (sic) bigot?”

        Your posts.

        “What does this phrase mean, “they can not be trusted themselves” not be trusted about what?”

        It was written in plain English. If you truly don’t understand, then you should not be opining about religion, or science, or anything more difficult than MapleStory.

        “If “People of Faith” know that the Devine exists, when why do they call themselves “People of Faith.”: Knowing and having faith in something is not the same thing.”

        Like most anti-religious bigots, you misunderstand or deliberately misrepresent what faith is in religion. And sadly, I explained. You, and your anti-religionist peers present religious faith as being faith in something, some idea. It is not. It is faith in a being, a person, an entity. I suspect that you and your peers don’t get it because deep down, you are not trustworthy yourselves, no one can have faith in you that you will keep your word, tell the truth, do the right thing.

        “I am not doging (sic) anything.”

        Yes, you are.

        “There are explainations(sic) of why an airplane flies, and they make sense.”

        Well, you claim that they make sense to you, but, there’s no proof of that, and your word for it is not sufficient.

        “I asked you to provide an alternative theory and you don’t have one.”

        Your presumptions don’t help you.

        “So since the theories explain the phenomena, I’ll accept it and by the way, so do you.”

        So you do rely on faith, but not even faith in science, actually. You rely on faith in your ability to
        understand and decide that something ‘makes sense’. Your faith in your self, in your reasoning
        skills. And presumably, if some element of scientific knowledge did not make sense to you, you would conclude it is wrong, despite all evidence.

        “Excuse me, theories verified by testing and experimentation.”

        Testing and experimentation, experiences, performed by people other than yourself, whom you choose to trust. You trust your reasoning skills applied to the work of other people. That’s all.

        “You are a hypocrite because you use technology and technology is a byproduct (sic) of Science. “

        So you don’t know that meaning of the word hypocrite. I have not denied the validity of science, I
        probably know more of it than you. Your accusation of hypocrisy is false, it defines you as a liar.

        “Who said anything about Atheism? This is a discussiona (sic) about Science!”

        It is a discussion about science, and religion, in the context of Rick Santorum’s desire to define science as a religion so he can oppress it.

        “No, not bigotry, contempt.”

        Contempt is a diagnostic symptom of prejudice. Santorum has contempt for GLBTQ people, you
        have contempt for people of faith.

        “Just as you have contempt for me.”

        Your fantasy has no basis in reality. Rebuking your false assertions is not evidence of contempt.

      • Arthur C. Hurwitz

        Around and around we go. You clearly have no idea what Science is so fine. I try to explain it to you and you just repeat the same incongruous argument. I don’t have “faith” in Science and its explanations and as long as no alternative explanations are offered, I will accept them because they happen to work. I live it, just as you do. I will prey to God and accept the the findings of Science and you will do whatever you do. Just remember, when you call me names like “Atheist” and “Anti Religionist” I find that insulting and irrelevant. I have never and would never call you or consider you a Christian.

        To repeat for the last time, I understand the different between a phenomena and an explanation of a phenomena. But do you understand the different between an explanation and a Scientific explanation? I guess not…..

      • Mark1115

        “You clearly have no idea what Science is so fine.”

        When you lie to me about me, what do you expect to accomplish beyond desperately trying to feed your ego?

        “I understand the different between a phenomena and an explanation of a phenomena.”

        So you deliberately confuse the two, to commit fraud.

        “I find that insulting and irrelevant. I have never and would never call you or consider you a Christian.”

        The irony is amazing. How conceited of you.

        “I will prey to God” Nice Freudian slip.

  • robingee

    >> “The freedom of religion is not the freedom from religion,” <<

    Yes. Yes it is.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Actually, Constitutionally… it IS EXACTLY THAT! Freedom FROM religion. People didn’t cross an ocean for a three month pleasure cruise and they didn’t cross it to OPEN A BRANCH office of the Church of England. The crossed it to RUN FROM RELIGION, to NOT have it forced down their throats and forced into their ears until they puke.

      WHAT exactly does the Constitution say in writing?

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”

      “… or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”
      “… or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press or the right of the people to peacably assemble and to petition the Government for redress of grievances.”

      But oddly, you can’t SUE the Government in court.

      • pennyroyal

        Roger Williams, who founded the only colony in the USA based on secular governance (1630s!!!) called for a “wall” of “separation” between the “garden of the Church” and the State. Almost executed by the theocracy of Puritans running the Mass. Bay Colony, he created a haven for different religious groups, Native Americans, and freethinkers. This was 140+ years before James Madison used the same language. He’s our “forgotten founder”.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Emerson, Ralph Waldo…
        Thoreau, Henry David
        Franklin, Benjamin

        READ them, understand the INTENT of the Constitutional battle to KEEP religion OUT of the law..

      • pennyroyal

        I do!!!

  • PRIME79

    Typical conservative nonsense, damn reality, just make up shit to suit your views. I’m not religious at all and by no means does anyone get to tell me that I really am. How the hell does that even work? These types of people are insane.

    • Pipercat

      Insanity is an excusable condition, arrogance is a deliberate cognitive process…

    • pennyroyal

      “make up shit” is Rethug stock-in-trade
      also, blame Democrats for the perfidy you are already committing

    • Stephen Barlow

      And not jerking off is NOT having sex.

  • bluelion

    And this guy wanted to be President…

    • polliwogg

      Still does.

    • Stephen Barlow

      And 10% of the RED Party wanted him to be it too.

  • HoosierGramps

    Those of us who prefer science to religion do not do so because we have beliefs or faith. We have knowledge.

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      faith is more powerful as it successfully imbues stupidity. Knowledge cannot successfully use stupidty

  • Bill Freidline

    Right Rick. Because NOT worshiping a god is a religion like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.

    Genius! I didn’t realize I had so many hobbies, nor worshiped so many Gods!

    • Stephen Barlow

      HAHAHAHA

    • robingee

      And boy do you have a lot of non-stamps!

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      dude,,,,,,,,,,,,, that’s pretty funny in its accuracy!

  • Smurf777

    I understand what Santorum is saying. So let’s take his word as having some value and proceed to have schools with required courses on all religions. Perhaps have courses such as Religion vs. Science or is God on the side of Christianity or is he/she on the side of Muslims. Perhaps we could include metaphysics as well. I have a feeling that an educated public, given knowledge of most of these ideas, would end up with a public that would tend to be a bit more open to all kinds of ideas and perhaps finally shut the “Christian Right” from only proselytising their brand of correctness. Perhaps a course in moral correctness as it pertains to corporate interests?

    • Matt Stewart

      I remember learning about the world’s major religions in social studies while in middle school. No emphasis was put on one religion or another. Learning about religions, how they all think they’re right, and everybody else has it wrong, was one of the major factors that led me to the conclusion that they’re all bullshit.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        100% agreement- they are all wrong
        ===================================
        GOD? yes–
        ….religion? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • Robert W Crowley

    Santorum will NEVER ever hold public office again. Just totally ignore him.

    • pennyroyal

      if only we could….he’s on the fringe, spreading woo-woo and kookiness.

      • Stephen Barlow

        is he spreading kookiness on his woo-woo?

      • pennyroyal

        like mustard on his weiner

    • Stephen Barlow

      There are enough stupid people in Pennsylvania. They elected Corbett didn’t they?

      • Jim Bean

        True. They went all in for fracking also and now face all kinds of problems trying to figure out how to the spend all the new money.

      • Stephen Barlow

        The people didn’t really choose that, they were BOUGHT… but essentially you are right, they let it happen. It’s kinda like Domestic violence. NO woman asks for that (on the first date) and NO woman deserves it EVER. But if she stays and takes it, you just gotta shake you head and walk away because some toys are broken and you just can’t play with them.

  • Eg Kbbs

    He wants to denote secularism as a religion so the govt can ban it ?

    So is he saying the govt can ban other religions such as Christianity ? (and I ask this as a Christian. Not to mention the little matter of the Bill of Rights).

  • liberaltool

    It’s like saying health is a disease!

  • Billie Gibbons

    This guy is full of double talk. I don’t think that he has any clue what he is trying to say. This is a good example of why i don’t like politicians.

  • Nathan Frigerio

    Oh come on, he knows how foolish he sounds. Just like the reich wing talking heads. It’s a job for him.

  • baruchzed

    Bottom line is this man believes in forcing religion on people. That very fact should be enough to diagnose him with severe psychological problems, not to mention the complete lack of ethics.

  • ML

    “If someone said they believe in absolutely nothing – literally nothing at all – that would be deemed a religion according to Santorum’s “logic.” And let’s not ignore that Santorum also essentially said that Americans have no right to be free from religion.” MORE importantly, let’s not ignore the fact that Santorum is a feckin’ eejit!!!!

    • pennyroyal

      his wife almost died during an incomplete miscarriage and massive infection. No, he would not let her have the dead fetus removed…. that would be–horrors–abortion. What a POS he is.

    • pcChuck

      Exactly. My new hobbies are not-hunting and not-fishing.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

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      • pcChuck

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  • Jim Bean

    Of the ten people with the highest IQ’s recorded, 8 are theists and at least 6 are Christians. Squelching the ‘god’ thing and pushing the secular thing doesn’t, under the circumstance, seem wise. (“Wise.” Get it?)

    • Jeff Barber

      Show me where you get this data from? I don’t see any scientific reasoning. This is religious babble.

      • Jim Bean

        I got it from the Examiner while doing an internet search.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        either ur “facts” are swayed to TRY2 make CHRISTIANS seem bright,,,,,,or U are hiding under this BS as U are a liar

      • Jim Bean

        Of the top ten highest IQ’s in the world, 6 are Christians. Just saying.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        I just place the perfection of easy to corroborate facts above,,,,,,,,,,,,and U insist on this lie?
        really jim??? U don’t like doing TRUE homework; rather look like a fool and a liar?
        you indeed are a religious republican

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        wrong answer— U quoted a CHRISTIAN source-
        ,,,,,,,,,, that’s like asking al Sharpton who is the best political party: U will NOT get a well-constructed reply

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        read my above reply to him,,,,,,,,,,,some of us actually DO research stuff
        jimbo is a religious white trash aging liar alcoholic
        ======================================
        other than that hes pretty cool

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      Highest IQ ‘s recorded are: (1) William sidis -jewish socialist (2) Terence tao – Australian born Asian; thus NOT Christian and he lives in Los Angelas and is a registered democrat (3)Chris Hirata,,,, Asian born; NOT Christian (4) Kim Ung-Yong: Korean; NOT a “Christian” (5) Gary Kasparov- Russian jewish (6) Marilyn Von Savant– professed atheist (7) Da Vinci– catholic ( he had no choice; did he???) (8) Judit Polgar– Hungarian JEWISH (9) Einstein – jewish (1) Stephan hawking–atheist.
      ====================================================
      you just not only got CRUSHED with easy 2 corroborate FACTS,,,,,,,,,,,,,Im calling U a white trash regressive liar for posting such a mealy-mouthed fabrication attempting to dignify the scum known as religion ( Christianity)
      you are a F*CKING liar

      • Jim Bean

        Andrew Magdy Kamal – apparently the highest IQ ever recorded, at 231.734. This was accomplished last year (2013) just before he turned 17. This includes an adjustment made for his age (which is done routinely for minors), so only time will tell if he maintains his position, but he is listed in Record Holder’s Republic for Highest IQ and Highest IQ average, and it looks pretty good. He is a he is a staunch conservative and a member of the Republican Tea Party. He is also the founder of the Coptic Orthodox Messianicans Group. Andrew Magdy Kamal hopes to use his talents and intelligence to spread the news of Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ) his hero, and he lives in Michigan.

        Abdessellam Jelloul – apparently the highest IQ ever scored by an adult in the “advanced IQ test” was by Jelloul, who scored an adult IQ of 198. This was in a 2012 test which included 13 dimensions of intelligence (analytical, spatial, logical, memory, musical, linguistic, philosophical, moral, spiritual, interpersonal, intra-personal, bodily and naturalist). Unlike other tests, the advanced IQ test includes more measures that other tests cannot assess. I tweeted Mr. Jelloul a question about his beliefs in September of last year, and he graciously replied to me that he does “believe in God, a Supreme Architect of the universe” (see a screenshot of this tweet in the slideshow).

        Christopher Michael Langan – has a verified IQ of at least 195. Langan achieved a perfect score on the SAT, but dropped out of Montana State University after concluding his professors weren’t qualified to teach him anything. ABC’s 20/20 measured his IQ (as an adult) to be between 195 and 210. Langan has indicated in his writings numerous that he believes in God, for example, in William Dembski’s book “Uncommon Dissent”, he wrote: “…since Biblical accounts of the genesis of our world and species are true but metaphorical, our task is to correctly decipher the metaphor in light of scientific evidence also given to us by God”.

        Terence Tao – his IQ was estimated to be between 220 and 230 by the Davidson Institute when he was about ten years old. At eight years old, Tao achieved a score of 760 on the pre-1995 SAT, received a Ph.D from Princeton at 20 and at 24 became the youngest ever full professor at UCLA. I couldn’t find anything about Tao’s metaphysical views. He’s obviously a tremendous mathematician, but doesn’t seem to post much outside of mathematics.

        Christopher Hirata – has a verified IQ of 225, calculated when he was in his teens. Hirata skipped middle school, and at 16 was working with NASA on a project exploring the possibility of colonizing Mars. The Daily Princetonian, Princeton’s student paper, where Hirata began attending for his PhD in Astrophysics at 18, reported that his IQ is around 225. Hirata posted the following to his Facebook on October 31, 2013: “Today’s experience: saying the Lord’s prayer with a homeless couple on Colorado Boulevard. It may not feed or shelter them, but I hope that it made a difference in their lives.” So he is clearly both a Theist and a Christian.

        Evangelos Katsioulis – has apparently scored a 198 as an adult. Katsioulis is a Greek Doctor/Psychiatrist/Philosopher who has publicly referred to his belief in human souls several times. For example, he did a lecture in 2008 called “BODY AND SOUL”, and made clear that he wasn’t speaking metaphorically in it with lines like: “The soul is not the body. It is not the flesh. It is the spirit.” He is apparently a follower of a strand of Christianity influenced by Teilhard de Chardin.

        Rick Rosner – has apparently scored a 192 as an adult, after years of honing his IQ test-taking skills. Has been a writer for the Jimmy Kimmel Show, and appeared on “So You Want to be A Millionaire”. Rosner denied that he was an atheist on Twitter, after an inquiry. He also retweeted this Einstein quote: “God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically” and in answer to the question “You know there’s a God?” he answered “Maybe. Suspect there’s an infinity of gods”.

        Mislav Predavec – has apparently scored a 192 as an adult. [Update – I initially had the wrong quote linked here]. His Christianity can easily be confirmed by a beautiful response he wrote to a friend who had become a Christian in one of the groups he belongs to and which was posted online:

        “David, I am so glad hearing good news about your convalescence, and more about your enlightenment, you are aware now that your suffer and pain, your giftedness and sense are a part of plan. Truly, all this can´t exist without being leading it intentionally. Atheistic explanation that everything is accidental progress is full of holes. Stay well my friend.

        Mislav”

        Gary Kasparov – is alleged to have an IQ of 190. He was perhaps the most universally attested-to as a top-shelf intellect, so it was unthinkable to leave him off of this list. In 2003 Kasparov played to a draw against a chess computer that could calculate three million positions per second. He is considered by many to be the greatest chess player of all time. Kasparov has described himself as a “self-appointed Christian”

        Kenneth Ferrell – has apparently scored a 190 as an adult. If I have located the right Kenneth Ferrell online, it’s abundantly clear from his own words that he’s a Christian. Since I’m not sure, I didn’t include him in my count of believers.

        So you can see that the brightest of the bright have not foreclosed on the possibility of the existence of an Intelligent Designer. Juxtaposed with the fact that most Scientists are not atheists, I’d say that the Appeal to Authority on which atheist debators have long relied has dissolved.

        (Source: Examiner dot com)

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        nice try,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, examiner .com is owned by a conservative Christian named phillip Anschutz.
        he also owns ( bought from FOX “news” regressive Murdoch) ” the weekly standard”,,,,another VERY conservative VERY Christian media outlet—therefore im skeptical of anything which claims THEIR way engenders superiority. Asians collectively have highest IQs
        =====================================
        I went to another NON christian listing and langan wasn’t on list–
        abdellal (??) was; and until I can read something on his choice of spirituality he remains agnostic.
        bottom line? I am not atheist: I am agnostic– I have NO problem with a “god”
        I am 100% certain that JESUS is not “god”; nor is anyone who walked this planet-
        religion is for those who don’t want to question what they see-
        NOTE: My IQ is 151: took way 2 many tests as a kid and it has been confirmed often-
        ask my disappointed mom- she wanted to to further my musical ” gift”– alas: I went into athletics

      • Jim Bean

        You are asking me to dismiss this body of work on the basis that you have some completely unsubstantiated suspicions about the source. Who does that? Nobody does that? It would be insane to do that.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        perhaps a myriad of sites to average out the numbers/ participants? don’t U find it at ALL dubious that tesla and Einstein and newton and hawking and vos savant ( highest ever listed/logged by GUINESS) aren’t on YOUR list???
        really james,,,,!

      • Jim Bean

        Tesla and Einstein pre-date the development of the tests.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        wrong again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Alfred binet started an official one in 1904- by 1905 30 “mini tests” were inclusive in testing. The Stanford-binet test was 1st used in 1916 in America.
        Todays “IQ” tests are posed in relation to OTHERS of the same age; thus a bell curve ratio is applied—some think this is best; others think individuality is more accurate
        ========================================
        nice try though–
        now,,,,,,,about hawking and vos savant and bobby fischer ET AL—

      • Jim Bean

        You’re bogged down in the superfluous. I can concede to you the challenges you’ve offered and the underlying claim (all highly intelligent people are atheists) is still DOA.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        show me anywhere where I said ( or wrote) that ALL HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE ATHEISTS and I will give U 50K in cash ( yes; its easy for me and available)
        ======================================
        jimbo??? james…….? are U still here?
        jimbo??

      • Jim Bean

        To Hoosier gramps a few days ago. “faith is more powerful as it successfully imbues stupidity. Knowledge cannot successfully use stupidity” Send money. (You’d think a guy with a 151 IQ wouldn’t be so inclined towards tripping himself up.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        again,,,,,,,,where did I write – or claim – that specifically ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE ATHEIST>>>>>
        as I am intelligent and AGNOSTIC that itself shows u 2 not only be wrong; by lying about my purported statement.
        you spun away as U always do– a lying stupid old regressive scumbag pseudo Christian who will NOT stay on topic.
        =======================================
        I said knowledge cannot USE stupidity– faith successfully imbues stupidity
        UP ^^^HERE^^^DO^^^ U^^^ SEE^^ anywhere where I said what U claimed???
        do U see the word atheist? do U see the omnipotent word “ALL”??
        jimbo,,,,,? u still here lying white trash jimbo?
        jimbo??? U re fading james; stay with me—
        where O where O where is my fabulist jimbo???

      • Jim Bean

        I’m not going to play spin-a-phrase with you. Either speak directly to the concepts or play by yourself.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,U get crushed by not only lying but but not admitting that I N..E..V..E..R.. said anything remotely as U said I did– jimbo???
        ======================================
        unless; U can direct me to where I said :
        “ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE ATHEISTS”
        *********************************************************
        help me out here jimbo– after all: 50K cash is a NICE paycheck
        ………………jimbo? jimbo??

        stop drinking 4 a moment and show me where I said it

      • Jim Bean

        Your runaway caps, and commas and double underscores, and asterisks – they all make my head hurt and my eyes water.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        ballerina jim spins again,,,,, wont answer!
        was that Tchaikovsky?
        ***************************************************
        praise jeeeesus!

      • Jim Bean

        Tchaikovsky was a Russian Orthodox pianist and composer of sacred church music <<<<<<<<<<&&&&&&&&&&
        ****************************************************

        Why,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you ask??????????????????????/////////////// 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        I ask as it seems the nutcracker is what U did ur ballerina spin away from in the above post
        =======================================
        now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, about your inability to show proof of what u accused me of—-

      • Jim Bean

        You deny you believe Christians are stupid? (Praiseeee Jeeeesusss!!!!)

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        I know that many stupid people believe in all religions….that many intelligent people believe in religion. I personally think ( know?) that NO HUMAN who ever walked upon this planet is a deity
        == except MAYBE Marilyn lange==
        I also know that U accuse me of WRITING / inferring/ claiming that

      • Jim Bean

        That Tchaikovsky thing sorta buckled your knees, no?

        Dear gian keys loves yadayadayada:

        I have observed you referring to folks as ‘rightwing regressive Christian trash’ (or something similar) for more dozens of times than I can count. One day I built a sentence in which I said you said Atheists were more intelligent than Christians. I took that liberty without consent but also without malice.

        Having now been advised that such a thought had never crossed your mind and that your comments meant something else yet to be determined, I must humbly ask your forgiveness and take my place beside the other readers and patiently wait to see what, if any, thoughts you produce.

        Sincerely,

        Jim Bean
        (Netanyahu 180)

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        u ‘beg’ a forgive whilst leading ofc with ANOTHER malice laden bloviation of ” …..buckled ur knees; no”?
        first- im willing wager my knowledge of classical music and composers exceeds yours in lightyears as I played a myriad of REAL instruments b4 I was 15( supplanting that “ability” with chasing athletics; much to the chagrin of my ‘mumsie’)
        *****************************************************
        second- you re above lead-in with a veiled aspersion as an operculum for a weakly built retraction of what U said is noticeable- so Im glad that U acknowledge that other readers will view this. >> thus- my bringing to light exactly what U attempted here<<
        Forgiveness? Humbly? the ersatz self titled humbling is cellophane-
        I will continue to use the ridiculous bumper sticker of ''WHITE TRASH REGRESSIVE RELIGIOUS'' assiduously and U can continue to selectively reply to the "readers" on here who generally call U out on your limited and rightwing scope
        =======================================
        NOTE: when I am wrong ( especially when PROVEN wrong) I take whats coming to me without TRYING to mitigate my error.
        ——————-try it sometime————–

      • Jim Bean

        I don’t believe any human who walked the earth is god. (And if there IS a god, I wouldn’t think he/she is human in the first place.)

        I’ll also wager your knowledge of classical music is greater than mine because mine is practically nil.

        And any one who has WHITE TRASH REGRESSIVE RELIGIOUS playing on a continuous loop can hardly complain he’s been the victim of malic-laden bloviation, now can he?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        congrads!! we agree that GOD cannot be defined!
        =======================================
        one day U will learn how to say ” im wrong” without pretense-
        its actually ok and quite humbling!

  • bobg814

    Until we cast off the folklore of our collective past and embrace each other as homosapiens we will not move ahead in solving the daunting problems we face as a species. Religion is nothing more than another Us vs. Them distinction.

    • pennyroyal

      Religion is nothing, made out of nothing, signifying nothing, causing endless divisiveness and hate

      • Jeff Barber

        Agreed.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

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      • pennyroyal

        Yes and they are off-shoring their companies to avoid taxes.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        that,,,,, my good pennyroyal– is PATRIOTISM!

  • Stephen Barlow

    Ain’t it grand that Mitt Romney makes more sense than this poser and fraud?

    • Jeff Barber

      Mitt Romney doesn’t say one sensible thing. American voter’s rejected him, let him put on his magic underwear and just go away.

  • Paul Kirker

    How do we ban Rick Santorum?

  • Jeff Barber

    Guess he has never read the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Then again Republicans have hard grasp with the English language. This country was founded on freedom from religion. All of the forefathers were atheists. We have a problem going on with these right wing so-called Christians they are no different than Islamic extremists.

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      not all forefathers are atheists; but they ALL knew that religion— especially the Christianity the evaded and avoided– was total nonsense and was simply a tool to control and capitalize financially on the ignorant lemmings
      ================================================
      today is no different: todays American pseudo-“Christian” does NOT adhere to the veracity of what CHRIST tried to impart

  • pennyroyal

    I just reread Santorum’s wiki page and am appalled, all over again, at what a doctrinaire wing nut he is. It’s like he’s made a checklist of every rightwing, Party of Stupid, unthinking, ideological position that Republicans and the Tea Party holds and made sure he’s politically correct to their position. He’s a sell-out to every cockamamie notion that that fringe Rethugs put out.

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      why don’t faith healers work in hospitals???

  • Cooper

    I continue to be amazed and saddened that millions of Americans take this gobbledygook seriously. It’s inane drivel. And it’s so true that those conservatives who wave their flags and espouse freedom and erroneously cite the constitution want to take away freedom and perpetuate inaccuracies and deluded myths about what the content of the constitution really is. It’s hardly even worth publicizing this kind of idiocy except to expose or ridicule extreme conservatism, which has now become a synonym for stupidity.

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      ask religious scumbags ( lemmings) to have their ” all powerful” god cure an amputee
      ==================================================
      as ” god” raised the dead and walked upon water; this request should be childs play

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      and always ask:
      ” what exactly are “conservatives” CONSERVING????

  • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

    again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, white trash regressive religious scum– they DEMAND that THEIR REEEELIGION is the ONLY path: and they DEMAND that BIG govt ( see: smaller govt lying) be the nexus for implementing this sad superstition on us all. JESUS is ” god”????? so is Alfred E neuman

  • Matt Stewart

    The religious right’s rhetoric is getting further and further from reality and logic. I honestly can’t believe there are enough stupid people in America for these kinds of people to have any credibility. Prospective candidates for political office should be asked if their religious beliefs will influence their decisions while in office. If they answer yes, they should be disqualified.

  • Matt Stewart

    Why have the religious nut jobs suddenly gained mainstream recognition? Why in 2014 is this even an issue? Who started this recent rhetoric stating America was founded as a Christian country, despite all the evidence to the contrary (including the words of our founding fathers)? These christofascists will be the end of America. Either through their own actions or the actions of outsiders who’ve had enough of American interference.

  • AugustineThomas

    You have to be an incredible idiot to speak of “believing science over religion”. Only people who are intellectually immature and foolish suggest that one can’t believe in the bible and science. The very study of modern science is based on Christian theology.
    It’s amazing how secularists masquerade as geniuses while ignoring how stupid secularist beliefs are making Americans, the West and ultimately all the world. You guys aren’t leadinng people to enlightenment, you’re leading them to stupidity and immorality so they’ll believe your nonsense and be easy to control by offering them the freedom to be dumb, self righteous sinners.

    • Jerry Winkler

      Welcome to America. We aren’t your old country, where everyone is forced to believe what you believe. We are free here, no matter what draconian religious laws you want to impose on us. Satan controls this earth, you live in his realm, bow to the ruler of earth or else!

      • AugustineThomas

        Give me a break. You’re full of nonsense. You don’t want freedom, you just want to impose your Godless, society-destroying, nihilistic belief system on everyone else because misery loves company.