Right-Wing Christians, Radical Islamic Fundamentalists – They’re Pretty Much Exactly the Same

radicalsThough I don’t talk about it much, I find it kind of interesting that the primary “enemy” of the right-wing conservative “Christian” is a radical Islamic fundamentalist.



Think about it.  Both of these groups of people live their lives based on hand-picked sections of their religious books.  Neither follows every rule written inside because it’s essentially impossible to do so.  Even within each of these faiths there are many denominations created by humans who basically interpret parts of each of these books by how they feel they should be followed.

They both believe that they’re right and everyone else will surely burn in hell.  They both tend to want to force their views on others – even if those others don’t agree with what they believe in.  Each of these groups, if they had their way, would have theocratic governments based on their religions.

Both right-wing Christians and Islamic radicals feel women should be subservient to men, abortion is murder and homosexuality is an abomination and should be illegal.  They both believe education should be based on faith instead of science.  Neither group supports contraceptives.

They’re both completely intolerant of those who believe differently than they do and only believe that their religion should be given autonomy from lawful persecution while other beliefs should be oppressed.

And while many terrorist organizations are linked to radical Islamic fundamentalists, right-wing “Christian” radicals frequently brag about their arsenal of weapons and willingness to “rise up against” the federal government if they should ever feel inclined to do so.  In fact, it’s only our more advanced system of government (and the fact that we’re in a modern society) which has kept these right-wing radical “Christians” from behaving very similarly (if not almost exactly like) radical Islamic fundamentalists.

Hell, neither right-wing radical “Christians” or radical Islamic fundamentalists trust the American government at all.

Now granted, there are some differences, but isn’t the core of what each of these groups want essentially the same?

Because when I say that I know of a group of people who:

  • Oppose equal rights for homosexuals.
  • Don’t trust the United States government.
  • Believe abortion is murder.
  • Want a nation based on theocracy.
  • Believe women should be subservient to men.
  • Think our education system should be based on religion instead of science.
  • Want to oppress the religious freedoms for every religion besides theirs.
  • Oppose access to contraceptives.
  • Aren’t opposed to a violent overthrow of the federal government.

I’m not talking about radical Islamic fundamentalists – I’m talking about the beliefs of millions of right-wing “Christians.”




Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Ellen H.

    I’d say you’re spot on. Extremist views, no matter what the view, are dangerous.

    • Bine646

      Yes spot on- radical extremists are fighting jihad in the hills of Pakistan killing anyone who gets in their way. Radical christians hold signs outside of planned parenthood- i see how that are on the same level

      • John Spriggs

        You mean blowing up clinics shooting doctors dragging gay people behind a truck …sounds like the tealaban in Arizona or any other tealaban state

      • Roy Gaston

        Or drowning their kids in a bathtub. Or driving a carload of their own kids into the ocean. Or simply beating their kids to death because they are unholy. You know, those kids whose blessed lives started at conception.

      • Bine646

        What about gang shootings- say in Chicago? Those done by extreme christians?

      • disqus_2j3OBqnkt0

        Stupidest question posted as a comment ever.

      • Bill Chambers

        Whatsa matter? Are the shoes pinching the toesies just a tad?

      • Hans Wollstein

        This is the rightwing troll’s usual go-to answer to anything. What I call the “but what about?” defense.

      • Bine646

        They are comparing radical islamists to radical christians in america? About as ignorant as it gets Hans

      • JAEMPRESS

        Your high school education was a EPIC FAIL. I am sorry you think education is elitist. If you didn’t you might get it

      • Bine646

        Brought alot to the conversation, thanks

      • AQ

        It’s a variation of the Red Herring fallacy, with a side of Strawman. I’ve noticed that’s the favourite debating tactic of the Tealiban.

      • JAEMPRESS

        Yes Roy..I forgot those tooo. Let’s remember no medical care ir blood transfusions.

      • Vinny Verducci

        Don’t forget allowing their children to die of treatable illnesses because they believe prayer will heal them.

      • Bine646

        what is a tealaban? Is every murder carried out in America done by an extreme christian?

      • Bethjock

        Of course not. However many have been by extremist in our country. I’m reluctant to refer to them as Christians however.

      • JAEMPRESS

        Thanks John…I forgot some of the important evils

      • thoomfoote

        Except when they bomb clinics and kill workers there or shoot people outside of synagogues.

      • Bine646

        I cannot turn on the television without hearing about a bombing or synagogue shooting……..

      • Guest

        They also blow up clinics and shot doctors at churches. They also hoard weapons and then shot people outside of Jewish centers. Yeah, Christian extremists are so peaceful.

      • Bine646

        Are all gang members extreme christians?

      • Ellen H.

        Are all gang members extremist Muslims? No, they are not. However, you keep throwing up red herrings in a vain attempt to deny that extremist Christians also have committed violent acts.

      • Shelton Browder

        Don’t forget the”Troubles” in Northern Ireland. Two extremist Christian groups killing one another, along with a few innocent civilians here and there.

      • Ellen H.

        Radical Christians are also blowing up those places as well as shooting doctors at churches. Some of them are hoarding weapons and hanging out at their compounds. So much more peaceful than extremist Muslims.

      • Bine646

        So all the murders in Chicago the past 5 yrs- those were carried out by extreme christians? Sandy Hook? Aurora? Senator Giffords? What about the Boston Bombings? 9/11? All those were extreme christian acts?

      • Ellen H.

        Did I say every act of violence was carried out by extremist Christians? No, I did not. You are presenting a red herring and false assumptions e.g saying that any violence is inspired by religion. The argument is extremists of any stripe are dangerous. I know extremist Muslims are dangerous, but you can’t ignore the fact that extremist Christians have done a lot more than just hold up signs. You don’t want to face the fact that Christians can be just as violent as jihadists.

      • Jenn15

        How do you not understand the message: of course not every act of violence is committed by religious extremists; however, many extremists do commit heinous acts of violence “in the name of God”. There was a school shooting last week by a kid who wanted to “kill all the sinners”, and he was not Muslim. Yeah, people who aren’t religious nuts also commit horrible acts of violence, but that does not cancel what the religious extremists DO do. And for people to claim themselves as “Christian” and hate the other extremists so much while practicing so much hate, bigotry and violence themselves, is absolutely ridiculous.

      • Bine646

        Was the california shooter going around santa barbara killing woman bc they were mean to him? Their motivation is still the same, mental disease

      • Cat L

        I think you need to re-read (or maybe actually read for the first time) this article. It doesn’t say anything about violent acts. It is merely comparing the philosophical views of these two extreme groups. It is not attacking anyone or saying that every christian or every muslim is like that. The similarities between the teabagger type christian and the taliban are undeniable – at least to a normal person.

      • Bine646

        He talks about “radical” christians love for guns and how that relates to the terrorist ties seen with the jihadists.

        “And while many terrorist organizations are linked to radical Islamic fundamentalists, right-wing “Christian” radicals frequently brag about their arsenal of weapons and willingness to “rise up against” the federal government if they should ever feel inclined to do so. In fact, it’s only our more advanced system of government (and the fact that we’re in a modern society) which has kept these right-wing radical “Christians” from behaving very similarly (if not almost exactly like) radical Islamic fundamentalists.”

        Jihadists just took over Iraq- i think you need to reevaluate your stance, if you think you are a normal person

      • Cat L

        Well, you just keep enjoying your little fairy tale and all the hate based on your god. Good luck with that.

      • Bine646

        Allen Clifton wrote a piece on radical christians being equivalent to radical jihadists and you agreed with him- who is living in a fairy tale?

        I never once said I was a radical christian- I merely pointed out that jihadists have overrun Iraq (ISIS). When christians capture a country by military force Ill agree with you- until then read the entire article before you try posting; you look foolish when you do not

      • Cat L

        If you’re not one of the radical christians he’s writing about, then are you panties in such a twist about this article? If you’re one of the few decent ones, do something about the loons who want christian sharia in this country and STFU.

      • Bine646

        Tells me to “re-read” the articles as she misreads it- then gets upset and tells me to “STFU”- i can think of alotta words to describe you as a human being- decent not one but ignorant is. So mad hahahaha

      • Cat L

        Cute. Go ahead and call me whatever you want, Sweetcheeks. Your opinion means about as much to me as the bible. Less, actually. At least the bible pages can be used for toilet paper in a pinch.

      • Bine646

        Tell me about your love of the Quran

      • Cat L

        No gods here of any kind. I prefer reality.

      • Bine646

        Your reality

      • Kevin Panda

        Just going to point out that radical Christians love their enemies, pray for those who persecute them, and treat others how they want to be treated. You must be referring to those who label themselves as Christian but don’t actually follow the teachings of Christ.

      • Alex Mullins

        Please cite an example. Your views are ignorant and biased.

      • Ellen H.

        Actually my views are rather informed and based in reality. A “pro-life” “Christian” radical shot and killed George Tiller at his church on May 31, 2009. The Christian terrorist group Army of God started blowing up abortion clinics in 1981. A Christian militia group Hularee was infiltrated and discovered to be plotting against the U.S. government. Do I need to give you some more instances? There is of course the Westboro Baptist Church who shows up to picket at funerals because that’s such a Christian thing to do. Enough examples for you? I could state more if you need them.

      • Bethjock

        Does Timothy McVeigh fit this profile? I think he might actually.

      • Ellen H.

        I could see that. I don’t know enough about his “religious” background to say for certain. I know he went to Waco to show support for Keresh, but I think it was more of a pro-gun anti-government thing.

      • disyman

        Alex Mullins you obviously have not been paying attention to what has been gouin on around the world.

      • JAEMPRESS

        Starving children at home, discriminating against AMERICANS that look different, calling for the lynching of the BLACK president… I’d say they are running toe to toe with the Jihadists and may very well have one up on them!

      • Bine646

        Yea- jihadists just took over Iraq- toe to toe huh pfffffffffff

      • JCNow

        Radical Christians don’t just hold signs. They murder abortion doctors, and believe they were right to do so. They harass women trying to exercise control over their own bodies. They try to limit access to contraception, the most fail-safe means ever shown to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They advocate for the right to discriminate against LGTB individuals even though the business they operate is in the public square. They insist on the right to bully, intimidate, harass, and hate, all in the name of “religious freedom.” They deny that same-sex couples have the same rights that they enjoy. They are intentionally stupid, science-deniers, who ignore overwhelming scientific evidence of global warming. Many of them ignore science altogether, believing in a 6000 year old earth. They are hate-filled, bigots.

      • Animus Invidious

        Most muslims are not murderers or total bigots just like most christians are not murderers or total bigots.
        The point is that when they do become so, they always use their religion as justification for it.

  • IRISH BULL

    “In fact, it’s only our more advanced system of government (and the fact that we’re in a modern society) which has kept these right-wing radical “Christians” from behaving very similarly (if not almost exactly like) radical Islamic fundamentalists.”

    I wholeheartedly believe that is the only thing stopping this nation from becoming a Christian theocracy government.

    • Katfromky

      Except, now we have this mess out West!

    • John Bowles

      If they wanted a theocracy it would have been written in the Constitution…you know when the “right-wing radical Christians” wrote the parts of it and the bill of rights protecting religious freedom. I strongly suggest educating yourselves beyond what you see on television. If you do so you’ll find that MOST Christians believe in you having the freedom to live your life as long as you allow others the same. Are some stuck on certain issues? Yes, but you could say the same about people on the left. People are people. Until you start respecting the beliefs of people who believe differently than you instead of vilifying them there will be no progress. I would encourage you to not profile people based on their religious beliefs.

  • Avatar

    The right wing Christians will never be able to win over hearts and minds of Americans. They are the reasons why religion industry is dying in United States. That is why politicians, especially teabaggers, want to shove their religion down the throats of their constituents. It’s not going to happen in the blue states but in deep red states, they’re regressive and they want to take the whole country down with them. It’s not going to happen. We’re not interested to go back to square one again.

    • disqus_2j3OBqnkt0

      It’s dying that’s why it’s getting louder by the minute due to the extremist angst.

    • John Bowles

      Regressive….sure…that’s why the blue states are wallowing in debt and ignorance. That’s why blue states have high crime…That’s why red states have a lower cost of living…that’s why so many people are moving to places like Texas… regressive..sure. You done preaching about things you’re ignorant of yet? Probably not. People like you like demagoguing anything you don’t agree with. Your pal Wendy Davis flew in a bunch of people with “che” hats and coat-hanger earrings from out of state (from Deep Blue states) to ram their “beliefs” down the throats of my fellow Texans. They treated everyday people like crap every time they ran into them. They acted as if they were on some divinely inspired mission to beat everyone over the head with their views. They insulted her opponent BECAUSE he was in a wheelchair. It’s on tape, so you can’t deny it. Tell me more about how the deep red states are regressive… at least we treat people we disagree with with respect. At least we can agree to disagree on a subject. People have the right to their own lives and livelihoods. It’s people like you with your single-minded hatred of everyone who simply disagrees with you who are regressive.

      • Avatar

        ??????

        None of your comments about blue states are true. And I don’t have any hatred for anyone. And I don’t regress. I’m progressive. I only read few of your lines and I know you’re angry because you want to deny that 10 red states are in top 10 for deep debts while 9 out of top 10 for surplus budget are blue states. Stick with reality. Accept the inevitable.

      • Avatar

        And I have my own experience that tea party members tried to preach their religion of hate onto me against my will, that, is called regress all the way back to Catholic’s Dark age ruling in Europe.

      • Avatar

        I know that article and guess what. that article in HP was written by well known conservative author which has been debunked by its own website a day later.

      • Avatar

        I personally doubt you really understood the meaning of word itself, regress. You probably know it’s dictionary term but not it’s true meaning.

      • Animus Invidious

        when you corner a regressive they always throw your own terms back at you because they don’t know what else to do

  • Bine646

    Is Allen Clifton this big of an idiot or just that big of a troll? Like he really cannot believe what he writes can he? On Easter nonetheless- show some respect Clifton, maybe youll start gaining some

    • John Spriggs

      God is man made so deal with that on easter tealaban troll

      • Bine646

        You think a man who served this country would have alittle more respect for those who live in it- learn how to spell pal “tealaban”?

      • John Spriggs

        You ain’t smart enough to be a Taliban and yes I served my country for 32 years only to find that the real enemy is here with the my way or else . I don’t care about your religion just don’t say the rest of the country has to follow your mythology keep it in your house or church because most of America don’t care what you believe. Have a good day go feed the homeless or something to help our fellow humans.

      • Bine646

        “You aint” and then goes on to talk about intelligence- classic.

      • disqus_2j3OBqnkt0

        Oh look, you’re not just a Nazi supporter supporting the traitorous conservative confederacy The Koch sucking Teabagger party, but a grammar Nazi also.

      • Bine646

        hahaha whatttttt?

      • Bine646

        was your motto in ‘nam- “i cant spell the enemy, im just here to fight em?” hahaha tealaban- classic

    • Jonas

      What did he state that is untrue? I guess now speaking the truth makes you troll? Neat.

      • Bine646

        Well for one his list at the end can characterize many individuals who are not “radical christians”

        And what makes Allen better? The guy created a website to spew his ridiculous onto others, his beliefs, his reality. Few of those radicals lash out and bomb a synagogue then all “Right-wing Christians” are on the same level as extreme islamists- you guys need to be evaluated

      • disqus_2j3OBqnkt0

        The total hypocrisy of your comment is not lost to those that can now see the extremist inside of you.

      • Bine646

        from the guy who just called me a nazi? interestinggg

      • Phil Keast

        So, you disagree that the Right-wing political party (i.e. the Republicans), who claim to Christians, making them Right-wing Christians, are promoting the list of views in the article? Because there is plenty of evidence of “respected” Republicans who claim to be Christians holding those views.

        If your point is that not all Conservative Christians hold those views, then good, I’d certainly hope so. Now do something about making those who are the public face of Conservative Christianity, who claim to represent you, stop being such extremist fools (tools).

      • Bine646

        I think if someone is a practicing christian (millions on this planet) or any religion for that matter- could be considered conservative

      • Phil Keast

        Actually, I believe that if someone is a practicing Christian who believes in helping the poor and sick, opposing the arrogance and entrenched privileged of the rich (money lenders anyone, rich men and the eye of needles), love thy neighbor as thyself, you know, Christian values, then they would abhor the conservative “Right Wing Christian” agenda in the USA. As mentioned earlier, both my wife and my mother have a deep seated religious faith. One votes for the right wing of politics (conservative), the other votes for the left, yet they have many more common beliefs than they have differences. Of course Australian politics is not, despite what one may think of the quality of political discourse in the last 10 years, anywhere near as polarized as in the USA. It has been suggested (and I tend to agree) that Australia’s conservative voters would vote Democrat if required to vote in the USA.

      • Bine646

        Thats your opinion because again your in Australia and not in the United States

      • Phil Keast

        That is my opinion because I have talked to educated, informed conservatives (both christian and non-christian) who hold those same truths to be true, and because I try to keep myself as informed as possible on political, religious and social movements across a wide range of nations and faiths, which includes the USA and Christianity.

        Christianity is not a local phenomena, it is a world-wide movement that tries to ignore borders to promote the message of Jesus.

        It is not necessary to be a citizen of the USA to be informed about what is occuring in the USA, and to have an opinion. Unless of course your Constitution’s commitment to Freedom of Speech is not based on an Ethical principle, but is no more than a legalistic fiction that applies only to citizens of the USA, and exists solely as a prop to gain the support of the Southern States for the formation of the Union.

      • Preacher son

        Just saw this article. Phil, you’re right on. I wouldn’t respond to Bine646, this individual is walking thru life with blinders on and can not see anything outside the extremely narrow view that has been indoctrinated into that pea brain.

      • Julie Sipes

        Right on, and Amen, Phil! (From an American Christian.)

      • Kevin Panda

        Many do. I’m Canadian, and I can’t believe the crap the Republicans spew. I’m not for the democrats either. You guys need to end the two-party system IMO. But hey, doesn’t really matter to me, I can’t vote in your elections.

      • blackbart

        The government controls what you see in the media if that is your source then you will get what they want you to see. Go to a higher source listen to your soul and follow Jesus. Only then will you see the light.

      • Phil Keast

        Really, every media outlet I watch, from the dozens (literally) of countries that are the source of those news and current affairs show? I’m not restricted to the majors and the cable stations that seem to overwhelm independant media in some countries, we have a free to air station (actually it broadcasts on two different stations to give it the necessary bandwidth to cover everything its charter requires it to), that broadcasts, unedited, in their native language, the news broadcasts from literally dozens of countries, including the broadcast news station Al Jezeera, so that the citizens of our country who have a heritage from the country they emigrated to Australia from can keep current on affairs in the country from which they came. I don’t have to rely on a single source, or even a few locally sourced media outlets. I’m lucky like that. Given the different agendas and values of the various nations whose news services I try to keep up with, unless their is a unified global conspiracy (and if the UN has shown us anything, it is that the countries of the world aren’t unified on anything), then I get a range of different agendas and viewpoints.

        [Edit: To correct a statement made in the original post, they don’t all have subtitle, but there are plenty of English language sources (The Journal (Germany), Al Jazeera, etc.)]

      • blackbart

        If you are depending on men to give you what you need most you will be lacking in the long run. This world was never meant to be our final home and putting all your energy into the secular world you are missing out. God’s grace and peace to you.

      • Phil Keast

        God created the universe, and gave man the senses and mind to wonder at, and appreciate, its marvels. To turn your back upon the world around you, ignoring God’s gifts, secure in the knowledge that you will one day sit in his presence, is to do injustice to his creations, both the world and yourself. I hope your God is forgiving when you tell him that the world of his creation is beneath your notice, and an affront to your faith. That is, of course, unless, you open your eyes and stand in Gods presence having fully appreciated his gifts.

        Of course, if you are not a Christian, then everything you have said, and what I have just written, is a complete load of crap.

      • blackbart

        You assume much in how you read the written word of other people and your response seems very condescending. I can tell you without a doubt my God is forgiving he is also loving and just.

      • Phil Keast

        I’m condescending?

        Go to a higher source listen to your soul and follow Jesus. Only then will you see the light.

        If you are depending on men to give you what you need most you will be lacking in the long run. This world was never meant to be our final home and putting all your energy into the secular world you are missing out. God’s grace and peace to you.

        You presume to instruct me in how to think, how to live my life, to ignore my upbringing, life experiences, and education, to embrace your faith when you don’t even attempt to explain it beyond “trust me, it well be better”. Yet you call me condescending?

        Buy a fucking clue mate, you know nothing of me, you show no desire to learn anything about me, so don’t you dare tell me what I should think.

      • blackbart

        You can curse and be vulgar all you want I will not lower my standards to join you. Peace

      • julie sipes

        I believe I have the spirit of Jesus in my heart, and agree with what Allen Clifton is saying. (I am a “Jesus-like Christian”.)

      • julie sipes

        P.S. You know, Jesus was really a “hippie”. 🙂

      • julie sipes

        P.P.S. We must not let fear or paranoia rule our heart (even when it comes to the government).
        God bless you!

      • Julie Sipes

        For me as a “liberal” Christian, (or a “Jesus-like Christian”) Allen Clifton is speaking for me.

    • disqus_2j3OBqnkt0

      On Easter show some respect to who? Any confederate Christian deserves exactly what they dish out , if not worse.

    • julie sipes

      You don’t see a parallel and a “trend” here?

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      easter?> dead man walking?

  • Jim Bean

    Right wing Christians and Radical Islamic fundamentalists ARE almost the same. Ok, there’s the jihad, and the female genital mutilation, the murder of gays, the burkas, and the beatings of women, but those things are too insignificant to invalidate the comparison.

    • Julie Sipes

      While the fundamentalist Christians are not (yet) on that level of violence and as overt with their intolerance, the mentality is the same.

      • JDM

        If their mentality was the same, they would be on that same level of violence. You say, “not (yet)”, but Christianity has a 700 year head start on Islam, and there can be no doubt that “Christian violence” has declined over the past several hundred years. But Islamic violence is on the rise. So your comment is proven invalid.

      • Kevin Panda

        In fact, if you look at the crusades and inquisition, they were not perpetrated and ordered by christians. Christians don’t have that kind of callous disdain for human life, and believe they should “Love their enemies, and pray for those who persecute [them].” – Jesus.

        Those acts of injustice were ordered by the Catholic Church, which was both the state and religion of the state. The Pope was like the king, trying to expand his influence through blood and war. He was not trying to spread the love of Jesus and God to the rest of the world. He was trying to gain more land and property for his state.

        Extremist muslims kill in the name of God, not to expand their influence, but because they believe it right and just.

        I am a centrist christian, but I think that articles like this that skew reality are damaging to a unified society. I believe in complete separation of church and state, which is a lesson the US politicians clearly did not learn from the late, great Catholic Empire.

      • julie sipes

        They are SUPPOSED to “love their enemies”… My mother, who’s Jewish, used to.get beat up by self-professed Christians following Easter passion plays. You’re nor being honest with yourself…

      • JAEMPRESS

        Really Julie…they are.
        You should read more

      • Julie Sipes

        I agree with you. I was responding to Jim Beam’s (sarcastic) post attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and radical Christianity.

    • julie sipes

      Do you not see that there might be sort of a “trend” here?

      • Jim Bean

        If you mean a trend towards irrationality, then, yes, I do.

      • julie sipes

        By the extreme-right….
        Whatever happened to “Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar”?

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        republicans expanded the tithing

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      jimbo,,,,,,,,,,,,,we do see eye 2 eye!

  • Linda B

    I am one of those so called radical Christians. I happen to believe in Jesus and that He made the supreme sacrifice for sins. I believe that He is coming back one day and set all the wrong things right. No I’m not perfection, because there is only one who is Perfection. I use the present tense because He is living and well. The earth was created by God and He is operating this universe every day so it doesn’t get so hot you can’t live and so cold you won’t freeze to death. He takes care of me every day, providing for me all along the way and His love for me will never go away. He said in His word “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” Know what? I’m just fool enough to take Him at His word.

    • Avatar

      Maybe at this time, Jesus is putting his return on hold, perhaps for infinite, due to far-Christians going to extreme by using Jesus’ name to abuse and pillage the poor people.

      • Julie Sipes

        EXCELLENT COMMENT!! It’s sad (and disgraceful) how right-winged Christians have hijacked the religion!

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        and has such gloriously tidy and tax free churches!

    • BruceWilliams

      Jesus made no sacrifice. He spent around 8 hours on the cross when it normally takes 3 to 10 days for a healthy person to die on a cross. He was god and knew in advance he would arise fully in tact and unharmed in 3 days. This was not a sacrifice, but rather a con job.

      • ruby

        If someone looked into a crystal ball and said,
        you will die on a certain day, would you try to avoid that situation, as a human being? Possibly so.
        You say “normally” & “healthy”.
        his situation wasn’t normal, he was being beat to death.
        he was a human, that felt physical, emotional, and mental pain…..
        , where at that point any human would’ve gave up and try to stop everything from continuing, yet he didn’t. As a human being, with emotions.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        how EXACTLY— do U or anyone else know what happened if/when he got dried out on a cross? because his buddies wrote stuff down after his death?
        wow– and u chowderheads believe that crap?

      • Kevin Panda

        Look up William lane craig. There’s actually people who devote their entire lives to answering questions like this

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        devote their lives to ATTEMPTING to answer,,,,,,,,,

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      why don’t amputees ever get cured by your ” god”???

  • blackbart

    How very sad to see the angry comments about Christians. It seems that most of you know very little about Jesus or his teachings and God’s grace. The greatest commandment Love God with all your heart. We are not enemies with any man. And we do not work for salvation, it was by God’s grace that our eternal lives were bought with the blood of Jesus Christ.

    Matthew 22:36-40

    New International Version (NIV)

    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Psalm 118:6

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    6 The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid.
    What can mere mortals do to me?

    Ephesians 2:1-9

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    Made Alive in Christ2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

    • BruceWilliams

      Good try, but you need to justify the billions of dead animals, millions of dead people including babies and those in wombs of pregnant women, beating babies brains out against the walls of the cities you conquer, etc. etc.
      You don’t seem to understand. Rational people understand that a doctor that commits mass genocide is still a killer and certainly deserves no veneration even for all the lives (s)he has saved

    • JAEMPRESS

      We know more than you think. The argument that we are not versed in the Bible is a crock!. It’s because we know that we can call you out on your BS

      • blackbart

        Your words are evidence of what you know and how you use that knowledge. Your eyes are veiled and your heart is hardened to the truth but it is not too late to see the light.

    • Julie Sipes

      I know… I happen to be a Believer, and I wish more Christians would be more “Jesus-like”(Maybe then more people would like them…) I believe so many in our country who identify as “Christian” have hijacked the religion.
      And I do believe Allen Clifton makes an excellent point as far as parallels between Muslim extremists and Christian extremists, and a TREND, thereof…

  • Kevin Panda

    I think you’re a little off on the similarities.. I don’t recall christians calling for jihad, stoning women, or really being violent in general..

    • julie sipes

      Kevin – Do you not see that there might be sort of a “trend” here?

      • Kevin Panda

        How so?

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      look thru the bible as to what the bible did to women,,,,,,,,,,,,, and CHRISTIANS cherry pick that stupid book

      • Kevin Panda

        My point still stands. The fact that the bible contains ordinances pertinent to an ancient tribe doesn’t negate my point. Try again :p

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        try again???
        shall we look at abortion clinic bombings? dead abortion doctor (s)??? inquisitions? burning at stake? THE DARK AGES?
        your turn

      • Kevin Panda

        The way you say it seems to imply that these events are rampant. How many bombings have there been? How many abortion doctor murders? Also, just for argument’s sake, let’s stay away from people who were clearly clinically insane when committing their acts.

        As for the inquisitions, were those done on the name of God, or just portrayed as such, with a true goal of simply establishing colonies for a tyrannical monarchical “theocracy”? Jesus said to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. He also said to treat everyone how you would be treated. So if people weren’t following the “highest commandment” from Jesus of “love your neighbor” then they can’t truly be labeled as fundamental, or even Christian. Just saying.

  • Alphonse

    So, do you have the honesty and interest in true discussion to post what I’ve sent you?? Let’s see. I’m certainly willing to give you full disclosure rather than just signing in as a guest.

  • DesertSun59

    Within a generation England will be a post-Christian nation and a majority Muslim nation.

    Then the shit will hit the fan.

    • Julie Sipes

      Well, I’m thinking our “American Christian Taliban” – courtesy of Hobby Lobby and right-leaning (activist) SCOTUS justices, et al – may beat the Muslims to fundamentalizing and bringing theocracy to the West…

  • Scott Miller

    Articles like this are the reason the divide between the sides are as wide as they are. Allen only fuels a fire based on speculation and ignorance. He chooses the furthest corners of the groups he writes about and applies that to anyone who associates with them completely. It’s an ignorant and divisive, and ultimately pathetic attempt to be heard.

    • Kevin Panda

      Best comment I’ve read today.

    • Animus Invidious

      He’s simply pointing out the divide that already exists, thanks to already-existent extremists. Those extremes do exist and glossing them over is a disservice because the issue needs to be addressed.

  • EWOODY

    This article is crap sociology.

    • julie sipes

      You don’t see the parallels and a trend here?

  • Eddy

    Lololol, It has been said “comments” are the internet aggregator of foolishness ,uninformed opinion and stupidity. This proves it.

  • JBW

    Wow. The author of this article has virtually no knowledge of Jesus Christ and his teachings nor does he know anything about the qur’an or the hadiths. “Radical” Christianity, if there is such a thing, produces people like Mother Teresa or Billy Graham. I don’t recall ever hearing them blowing anybody up or suggesting to others to “kill all the infidels”. Contrast that with the ideology of islam and how mohammad COMMANDS all the “infidels” to be killed by smiting their necks. Devout belief of islam produces people like Osama bin Laden and the Ayatollah Khomeini (who had sex with a four year old by the way, in order to emulate their prophet). I strongly suggest that the author READ the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, STUDY the behavior and words of Jesus Christ and then READ the qur’an and the hadiths to find out what mohammad actually said for his believers to do. It is really foolish for the author of this article to attempt to write about subjects which obviously were not thoroughly researched.

  • David W

    More people, by a massive landslide have died at the hands of socialist governments than have died for any religion. Only about 7% of the wars in history were based on religion. Most were over other things like dictatorships, money, land, resources, etc. The people who believe this shit on this page are completely ignorant to reality. You call yourselves ‘progressives’ lol. Yet you support the most regressive movement ‘away’ from real freedom the world has EVER seen. Fools. Christians like any other group have a few nuts, but they have WAY, way far less violent, insane people than self-proclaimed liberals as a whole. Goodness it’s not even close….and I dont go to church. Its just hard to miss if you open your eyes.

  • Joe Schmo

    Define “force” you imbicile. Describe how each treats the “enemy” , who forgives, who rapes children in the name of “god”, who stones rape victims, and who mutilates the childs vagina to make her undesirable you dangerous fool ! Perpetual war will ensue due to idiots just like you, know of what you speak or just ..l.isten.

  • Alex Mullins

    You guys are all crazy. Your view of the right wing in America is outrageously distorted. Do you see Christians cutting babies out of Muslim mother’s stomachs and hanging them from trees? Do you see Muslims crucified on modern crosses with a broomstick jammed down their neck? No I didn’t think so. ITS HAPPENING TO CRISTIANS in Muslim nations! Muslim Extremists are extreme, Please stop comparing these butchers to Americans, its a disgrace.

  • John Bowles

    I find it interesting that liberals like to equate Christians and Radical Muslims. 1). Name one time a “right-wing Christian” has committed Mass Murder in the US in recent history. Don’t name any KKK members, because if you look at history (funny me quoting history instead of blind beliefs garnered from the words of others *sarcasm*) the KKK was a left-wing (actually started by Democrats) organization while the first black congressmen were actually Republican. You know that the Americans that did it have in common?. They’re all “progressive” liberals…the Aurora shooter actually campaigned for Obama. Don’t say I’m just spouting “Tea Bagger” rhetoric either…I’m not affiliated with them and you’re just in denial because you can EASILY fact check me. Other mass murders were Weathermen, like Bill Ayers that currently works closely with the Chicago chapter of the Annenberg Foundation, which Obama used to work with, a liberal think-tank and funds source. The extremists that have bombed US holdings, radical Muslims, rape, kill and pillage (see any Christians doing those things when they go to evangelize?) from Myanmar, where the local Buddhist majority is currently referring to them as a plague that must be cleansed from their land (they’re not saying that about Christians. Hmmm… interesting).
    2).The Christians you so lovingly refer to as “Forcing” their views on others are a minority. They may disagree with you, but they don’t force you at knife and gun point to accept their religion. Or behead you and your male offspring down to the children and rape and take your daughters and wives and younger sons to be indoctrinated into their beliefs (radical muslims). Christians, while complaining verbally about immodesty in some cases, will not force you to cover up more of your skin (referring to women) under threat of death (usually beheading is called for in radical Islam aka Sharia) while in radical Islam you must be completely covered and show no piece of your individuality. Also you don’t have to pay a tax to keep them off your back until they one day decide to force you and your family to convert.
    3). Radical Islam still believes in slavery. In fact they espouse sexual slavery because it is a “legal” way for them to get their rocks off without becoming “impure”. If a muslim woman is raped in the same culture she is executed for “tempting” the man and losing her purity. Sounds really similar to Christianity, huh?
    4). While “right-wing, gun-toting” Christians in the majority may not agree with your views, they will, most of the time, defend your homes and livelihood with their weapons in the case of a robber, rapist, or murderer. The radical Muslim will say, “Insh’Allah” (basically it’s as Allah wills) let you die, and see if there’s any loot to be had that they can deny they took.
    5). It is not part of the “Right-Wing Christian” religious beliefs to get rewarded for lying to people who do not espouse their beliefs. It IS that way for the radical Muslim.
    6). Right-Wing Christians do not advocate Genocide. Radical Muslims advocate wiping out the Jews…and the Armenians too. The Muslim Brotherhood assisted Hitlers forces in North Africa in an effort to accomplish such in WWII. (sidenote: Council for American Islamic Relations is funded by the Muslim Brotherhood). Turkey tried to wipe out the Armenians.
    7). Key point here folks. STOP BEING CLOSE-MINDED IGNORANT PEOPLE. Read history…please. Check my points…please. I’m not just spouting out drivel such as the article is. Why? You can fact-check what I’ve said.
    8).It’s always interesting that people talk about trusting the government…without realizing that most of them are lawyers whose prior job is mostly to distort the truth for their clients (aka the people that pay them)…and their current job is to make rules and enforce rules on behalf of those they represent (aka the people that pay them). Anyone else see an issue here?
    9). Important lesson from history: Those who are not willing to kill, will always, ALWAYS be subservient to those that are. So be equipped and willing to defend yourself, your family, and your rights…because not everyone is the pure soul that you are.
    10. Short version of my secular-only argument against abortion: I find it interesting that they find a new single celled organism and call it life, but not a fertilized and embedded zygote. I also find it interesting that you consider it “not your decision” for anyone to make that decision about a woman’s body, but you also consider it “not the decision” of same embedded zygote that has all the potential of becoming a human being you meet on the street some day. I also find it interesting that you pre-judge that potential human being as not being worth being treated as a human being before you have met them. What’s the difference between pre-judging that potential human and another potential human you have never met? After all all people are potential human beings before you meet them. It is only AFTER you meet them that you discover what their potential is. It is only afterwards that you discover whether they are a Mozart, Douglas, Hayek, or Capone. I don’t prejudge that person I have never met as unworthy of the opportunity to meet their potential…regardless of whether that person I haven’t met yet is one turning the corner or exiting a building. There is not a real difference in regards to my personal knowledge or yours, between the potential of a person exiting a building and exiting a womb. By extension there is no real difference between a person sitting on a bench at the bus stop before yours on the route, or a zygote sitting in the wall of a uterus before it exits into the world and eventually into your life.
    11.) Stop profiling people that disagree with you. (E.G. ALL Christians.) It’s hypocritical.

    • BruceWilliams

      Yes, and the Republicans kicked the poop out of the Democrats and proved once and for all that states rights were also poop.
      Good job Republicans.
      Also, who said all Republicans were Christians and all Democrats were not? Really – your that unintelligent?
      And I have never seen a KKK picture without a Christian Cross. I also know that ALL KKK members are Christians and not an Atheist one among them – just like the Nazis.

      • John Bowles

        First some education: that should be “you’re” not “your”. I never said Democrats weren’t Christians. But you don’t hear anyone talking about an infamous “religious left”.
        Actually the Nazis weren’t Christians. They used some parts of Christianity in their cult that they created. But, the vast majority of what the Nazis believe can be traced back to the Teutons, and their amalgamation of Norse, Saxon and other beliefs to create their own belief system. This was further facilitated by the Teutons claiming and settling what is known as Prussia. To educate yourself on this subject I recommend reading a book called “Saxon Savior” to see what got the Teuton ball rolling.
        Interesting that you know so many things that just aren’t true. KKK members come in all shapes and sizes. There is a complete subculture of them that hides in broad daylight. But the KKK was started as the Democratic party’s para-military arm.
        Also, you should stop assuming that just because I’m a conservative that I’m not educated. Really – you’re that unintelligent?

      • Avatar

        Anti-Democrats always love to began their sentence with ‘education’.

      • John Bowles

        Interesting…my sentence began with first. Maybe “education” was just the first word you recognized? If so, I recommend getting some more of it.

      • Avatar

        You clearly really don’t understood what I’m saying. You’re embarrassing yourself. IQ 120 and I need more of education? Yeah sure so it can keep my knowledge boarder and stronger. Thanks for an advice I already had since I was four.

      • John Bowles

        Hitler would not be the first to act as a certain religion to further his own political goals, or even the first to twist his belief in it to give himself a seemingly moral high ground. In fact Constantine, the Roman Emperor who in reality founded institutional Christianity (which later became) Catholicism did the same. However I said the Nazis were not Christian and held to some corrupted and twisted Teutonic lore (look at the SS and their affiliates aka: the people who essentially ran the party). I did not say Hitler held to those beliefs. Although he did often consult occultists. But then again Democrats twisted religious beliefs to start the KKK for their own bigotry, racism and political gain so that shouldn’t be a surprise.
        Also:
        Ft. Hood shooting: Democrat
        Columbine: Both families were Democrats and Progressive Liberals
        Colorado Theater: Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall street participant, Progressive Liberal
        Connecticut School Shooter: Democrat, hated Christians.
        Of course there only being two major parties it is statistically possibly to end up with the same number of any random group of mentally disturbed people being from either party exclusively.

        Mentally disturbed people come in all shapes and sizes. Saying an entire religion is evil because of the actions of a minority is no better than saying that all Gays are pedophiles because a few of them belong to MANBLA. Neither is true and both are bigotry.

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        Holy crap you really are the revisionist of history. Your comment doesn’t have any veracity of facts to it about “democrat” shooters.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        please cure an amputee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,until then: pass the tax free tithe

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        And you are being negligent to mention that most of Nazi’s theocracy also came from catholic bible books. Not so cool.

      • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

        why no cures of amputees from voodoo Christian religion? ur “god” a weeeee bit impotent??

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      The shooter of Sikh temple mass murdering in Wisconsin is well known for Christian. Enough said.

    • God

      You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. A Democrat in 1890 is not a Democrat in 1990. For a century or so, the South voted for Democrats for no reason other than the fact that Lincoln was a Republican. The KKK was indeed started by men who called themselves “Democrats” but if those people were alive today they would vote Republican. I guess you aren’t familiar with Nixon’s Southern Strategy, which is why the Southern states are mostly Red states today, they didn’t all change their minds about what they believed, they changed parties instead. Which is why the Democrats have never held a real majority in the House or Senate, because even those still running as Democrats in the South are much closer to Republicans. A Democrat from Cal. or Mass. is not the same as a Democrat from Alabama, and voting records easily reveal the difference. Yellow Dog Democrats, Dixiecrats, these terms reflect that history.

      Yes, people should do better about lumping all people together. Not all Christians are bad people, trying to force this country toward theocracy. But the Far-right Christians, that is a sub-set of Christians, it is not an all encompassing name. Many Christians are Democrats, some far left, some very moderate, but none of those Christians or even those who are moderate conservatives, are the same as those who fall into the Far-Right category.

      The Far-Right Christians are fundamentalists, who believe this is a Christian nation, that it was founded as such, and we should change the laws to make it into a Theocratic state. They are anti-immigrant, anti-science, anti-education (because it might make you question a 2000 yr old mythology), and pro-violent overthrow of the government believing that once they are in control all the homosexuals, immigrants and liberals will be deported, imprisoned or killed. Just listen to the non-sense a Republican running for President has to spout to get his “base” behind him. Rick Perry, putting his foot in his mouth again relating homosexuality to alcoholism. What a joke of a man, let alone a politician.

      Christians, historically, have been every bit as violent and repressive as modern Islam, they had a 600 yr or so head start, so perhaps it’s just that since Christianity for a time( a few centuries at least) was the dominant religion and even political force in the world, that most Christians got to a point where they are financially comfortable and all that fighting and violent conversions, is just not worth risking their nice house, car, bank account on. Where as Islam reigns mostly in lands in Africa, Asia and the Middle East where there is an overwhelming amount of poverty and also a variety of political and social upheavals that have occurred regularly enough to inspire the most extreme members of its believers towards violent overthrow of those seen as “infidels” or oppressors. Where was Christianity 600 yrs ago, 1414, pre-America, what was going on in Europe? What led to “Pilgrims” seeking a new land in the West? If you guessed Christians murdering anyone who dared to question their religion, or believe in another version or different religion… you’d be right. Converting non-believers at the tip of a sword. Of course, they then went to Africa and the Americas and forced their religion on the natives, murdering millions of people over the next few centuries all in the name of Christendom.

      Sure, you can go through the Qu’ran and pick out the parts where it says it’s okay to lie to non-believers and kill them too. But any honest reading of the Bible reveals equally disgusting ideas. That is the problem with following man made mythologies from over 1000 yrs ago. Bible says I can stone adulterers to death, I can stone insolent children to death, I can stone someone to death for working on the “Sabbath”, I can own slaves, hell, I can even sell my own daughter into slavery… murder homosexuals, men with long hair, people who wear blended fabrics. Eating lobster is a ticket straight to hell, if the Jews, you know the religion Jesus actually followed, believed in hell. Christians pick and choose what to follow in their own Holy book, we are simply waiting for a small minority of Muslims to do the same as most already have. And still we have Christians who are moving in the opposite direction. The issue is, for you, if you are a moderate Christian, is that the fundamentalists will view you as an “infidel” just as any fundamentalist Muslim would, convert, or die, one can only hope that these mythologies continue to shrink as we move forward as a society, Progress is the anti-thesis of religion.

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      hey loser,,,,,,,,,,,,, on FOX “news” ayers said he never met Obama/ doesn’t know him…..care to cry some more lies??

  • Mike Andrew

    in the past 100 years we had more Christian murderers, assignations than in the history of the Roman Empire. During the Roman Era, 13 million christians were killed. In the last century 200 million Christians were murdered

  • Allan

    Allen:

    Why have you not included my rejoinder to your article? Either you’re desirous of discourse, or you’re afraid of it. Which is it?

    Allan

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      hey scumbag,,,,,,,U didn’t reply to mine towards you either,,so stop ur religious VOODOO crying

  • Allan

    “Forward progressives”?? I don’t think so. This site is DEAD. Why? You won’t allow any opinions other than yours. You’re a bit of a coward. Correction: You’re a major coward. You couldn’t cross swords with my 11 year old grandson on the subject of the Bible or Christianity. What a shame. Keep your head in the sand. It’s safe there. But, just remember, you’re a pretender, not a real apologist at all.

    • gian keysTOOEASY flat mom

      when ur scumbag white trash clan voodoo religion can fully cure and document that cure OF AN AMPUTEE then I will say that religion ( see: superstition) actually has merit
      ———————————————————————————-
      dried out jewish fella who we know nothing about ( 92% of his life unchronicled) is now “GOD”???
      pass the tax free tithe to the lemmings
      how about crossing swords with me?

  • mojojojo

    you forgot the third party of extremists within abrahamic religions…

  • imbur

    Just one point, right wing fundamentals are responsible for more terrorist attacks in the us than Muslims. They are responsible for the Oklahoma city bombing and many others.

  • Mr Smith

    You forgot to mention that both groups worship the same god and believe that Jesus Christ was the greatest of all the prophets.

  • jkstraw

    They also both have issues surrounding sexual insecurities.

  • kk

    Any religious group that wants to curtail the civil rights and personal freedoms of all people can be fairly labeled extremist.

  • Umpdan

    This has to be the most bias, unsubstantiated and IGNORANT slander of the LEFT. To anyone without an ax to grind can find clear refutation of this LIE by the statistics on the clearly “right wing rag” Wikipedia. LEFTIST, environmental extremist have killed more and done much more damage than the one or two questionably right wing nuts. ALSO the right has NEVER embraced the pseudo-Christian “Christian Identity groups” who for all the vicious and specious nonsense and violent posturing are wimps compared to the aforementioned leftists and environmental terrorists.

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      I just checked Wiki for your ridiculous claim and found it to be pants on the fire ten times over.

  • Julie Sipes

    @Umpdan – With all due respect, I think you are in “la la land” – some parallel right-winged universe. Ck your heart…

  • waltinseattle

    “Talibanus Americanus” feel free with it. theirs scream jihad…ours yihah

  • james wallace

    I beg to differ sorry, isnt it the leftists who think it is perfectly ok to kill unborn by the hundreds of thousands yearly? I would say that is more in line with “radical”