Ted Nugent Publicly Threatens the Life of President Obama in the Name of the NRA and Gun Rights

delusional-ted-nugentI know, I know, “Who cares what Ted Nugent says? Ignore him and he’ll go away!” This is a common comment I see on any article I write concerning the behavior of this scumbag.

But while liberals might loathe him (as I do too), he’s a very well known public figure with a decent amount of influence over conservative voters. Hell, he was a campaign buddy of Texas gubernatorial candidate Greg Abbott. So whether or not we find him particularly relevant, millions of conservatives do. So, unfortunately, he does matter as a “personality” who can influence potential voters.


I don’t need to spend too much time talking about all the scummy things about Nugent that the vast majority of us are well aware of already. The draft-dodging, his sick obsession with underage girls and blatant racism have all been well documented numerous times.

So let’s just focus on his most recent rant where he evoked his standing as a board member of the NRA to go off on what can best be described as an incoherent pro-gun rant that was capped off with a threat against President Obama, several leading Democrats and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Nugent posted on his Facebook:

GUNRIGHTS HERO PROFESSOR JOHN LOTT blew the freedom haters & gungrabbers outta the water with his stats/facts broadside MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME suckerpunch truth bludgeon. Read the book, share the truth with your elected officials & give away as many books to as many people as you can to de-sheeple the braindead masses with their peace&love disease. Make a donatoin to the CRIME PREVENTION RESEARCH CENTER to destroy the Obama/Holder/Clinton/Schumer/Pilosi/Boxer/Feinstein/Durbin/Bloomburgh propaganda jihad against our right to self-defense & TRTKABA. JOIN THE NRA! Be the best American you can be. Freedom or their evil carcasses for traction back to it.

Now, ignoring several misspellings (including Pelosi and Bloomberg), I wouldn’t blame you for thinking these were the deranged ramblings of someone who just escaped from an insane asylum. Because, quite honestly, that’s exactly what I think Ted Nugent is. In my opinion, he’s absolutely batshit crazy.


But be that as it may, he’s still an NRA board member and just advocated for the deaths of people like President Obama, Eric Holder, Clinton (I’m assuming Hillary) and several other high-level current and former public figures if they were to happen to be responsible for passing sensible gun regulations.

Because in this rant he’s clearly insinuating that guns equal freedom. And he also makes it clear that he either wants freedom, or those people responsible for regulating that “freedom” (aka guns) should have their “evil carcasses” dragged for traction back to it.

But I think the saddest part to all of this is, this isn’t the first time he’s made a veiled threat on the president’s life. Just a couple of years ago he got in some hot water when he said that President Obama should “suck on his machine gun.” And let’s not forget when he called Hillary Clinton a “c*nt.”

Again, this is someone who’s embraced by many members of the Republican party and adored by millions of conservatives.

The continued Republican support of a scumbag like Ted Nugent, someone who’s an absolute embarrassment to not only this country but the entire human race, shows just how low conservatives will stoop to support someone simply because they have a sick obsession with guns.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • forpeace

    Threatening the President of the United States is a class D felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871. It consists of knowingly and willfully mailing or otherwise making “any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States.”

    Why is this disgusting crook who is lacking every imaginable humanity known to man still walking on the street?

    Too bad, Ted Nugent couldn’t man up to keep his promise:

    “If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”
    — Ted Nugent, April 2012
    .

    • Shinjo Dun

      Who wants to start a White House petition for people (not just Crazy Ted) to be prosecuted for this more actively, especially when they have a “loud” voice like he does?

      • forpeace

        Please let me know if there is any, and I will be more than happy to sign the petition.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Go to White House – gov

      • Kojo

        You KNOW the GOP/TP would have been screaming bloody murder and lining up all over the country to petition anyone who said anything like that about their beloved (at the time) Bush or Reagan. Liberals really do need to show our loyalty to our representatives and push back against those who speak such ignorant and treasonous words.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Still NOT a direct threat.

      • forpeace

        I did NOT say anything about his direct or indirect threat in my comment.

        I just posted the facts about this crazy guy, and also the consequences for those who are threatening the President.

    • Jim Bean

      Why don’t you and Allen team up and use this evidence to get him convicted, since you two seem to believe a crime has been committed?

      A felony conviction will cost him his gun rights for life.

      Make a citizens arrest. You can do that on felonies, you know?

      • forpeace

        It is YOU again!

        Why don’t you stop making absurd comments and stop embarrassing yourself?

      • congero

        He can’t. He is a right wing authoritarian who just spouts Fox news and Bill O’Reilly talking points. Thinking is too hard for him.

      • forpeace

        He is also obsessed with Allen because he always mentions his name, and I really don’t know why?

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        jimbos combination of alcohol assimilation and hatred for anyone NON white and NON religious and NON regressive ( republican) has him here to annoy we liberal progressives. Hes not as bad as creeps such as IVAN the RENKO and ITISOBAMASFAULT– and a few others; but JIMBO does evade the facts quite frequently when confronted with them- plus– jimbo seems quite the ballerina in”spin” mode

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        fresh case of alcoholic spirits does drive jim here,,,,,,,,,,,hes really pretty harmless

      • Steve Brains

        Stroke of Brilliance jim! I guess pedophilia is a misdemeanor in Michigan.

      • Richard Baldwin

        Not 100% true. You can have a felony expunged if you did not have a violent crime or some sex crimes charged against you. Then you are legal to own and carry again.

      • Jim Bean

        True. But terroristic threats (what Allen accuses him of) falls into the violent category.

      • congero

        Bringing light huh Jim? Lol. Not! Now defending the actions of a person who admitted desiring and having sex with underage girls. Funny how his actions didn’t hold him back huh. White privilege.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        notice how jimbo and Charles Vincent didn’t/don’t answer u here?
        ======================================
        if al Sharpton had nugents record these “jim bean” patriots would never cease writing on these blogs

      • congero

        You are so tired. Even here people are bored of your comments.

      • Jim Bean

        You’d feel better hearing from those who agree with you?

      • congero

        I have problems with bigots .

      • Jim Bean

        You have problems with anyone who fails to recognize and respect how smart you are. Period.

      • congero

        ROFL…smart and respect? Something you know nothing about but you do know Fox and Billo. which means you know stupid, and bigotry.
        Period? For someone in their 70’s(average age of O’Liely watcher is 71) seems awful childish but you are a O’leily watcher so again you may just be mimicking him. Sorry JB you can’t shout over me or cut my mic here when you don’t like the facts. Period…Rolling on floor laughing at you.

      • Jim Bean

        Unlike you who will get wiser as you get older, all the older people watching O’Reilly got dumber as they aged. Under other circumstances I would ask, ‘Do you know how stupid that theory is?’ But in this case, I know the answer is, ‘no you don’t.’

      • congero

        Wow! After reading that I’m not even sure the point you are trying to make but if you think watching O’Reily makes you wiser you are far more gone than I thought. lol. O’Reily tells old white men(his demographic) what they want to hear. He reinforces your preconceived notions and stereotypes. That doesn’t make you wiser just a dupe.

      • Jim Bean

        Ever wondered to yourself, “is it possible those old white guys are smarter than I give them credit for because they’ve been around longer and witnessed so much more?’

      • congero

        I am 62 and Afro-American and I am sure you’ve never experienced what I have yet you dispel my comments shaped by those experiences. In my 62 yrs. I have learned that age doesn’t always equal wisdom and I have learned plenty from those who are much younger than me. Matter of fact I have been energized by them and their fresh ideas often without the prejudices and bias exhibited especially by older so-called conservative white men like yourself who refuse to drop their deeply ingrained racism learned from periods of segregation and Jim crow. So while with age should come wisdom/compassion/understanding and the ability to not judge unless you’ve walked in that persons shoes or at least tried to imagine it ,I know there are plenty of old fools and like the axiom says “There ain’t no fool like a old fool. ” Hope I answered your question.

      • Jim Bean

        I’m 65. Grew up in rural PA. There were zero black people in my little town of 3,000. I had no exposure to them, segregation, or Jim Crow so I was not influenced by that. Went from their to military where I encountered plenty of blacks. Those fellow servicemen were not being subjected to segregation, Jim Crow, etc, and I regarded them as fellow service members. Nothing more and nothing less.

        But I know what influences me NOW. Its the high crime/violence rate, the high child abandonment rate, and high HS drop out rate. And I know those are the things that beget more problems for their future. I think those things – the things I mentioned – are within the immediate control of the individuals engaging in them. You want me to believe its beyond their control because of things that happened fifty or 150 years ago.

        You haven’t convinced me. As for my compassion, empathy, and understanding, they are irrelevant because they get them nothing. And if the empathy/compassion/understanding is interpreted as an acceptance of irresponsible behavior, then I become an enabler. “Enabler.” Look it up.

      • congero

        Too funny. You grew up in a all white community but you knew nothing of segregation or Jim crow. Enough said.

      • Jim Bean

        If know what one is (enabler) then you know full well that you are one. You also hate and stereotype nearly everyone, especially whites, and are, therefore, a racist and bigot – the very things you claim to abhor.

        I’d hate to be you.

      • congero

        There is no hate in what I wrote Jimbo other than for your ignorance and bigotry. What i wrote is true and can be verified with a simple search on your computer . It is hate to you because you don’t want to believe it . Sort of like a child who thinks because they have been disciplined no one likes them, or because they didn’t get their way stomps the floor and runs off with the game ball. Sort of like your guru Bill O’Reilly who shouts over people or cuts their mic when he doesn’t like the truth being told to him.

        Of coarse you’d hate to be me.You’re to puny and couldn’t handle being black. That’s why more whites abuse drugs ,prescription and otherwise along with alcohol than blacks . You can’t deal with reality. Funny how that is treated as a societal problem and not one indicative of some weak trait peculiar to whites that holds them back. White supremacy has it’s privileges. You not only get to blame others for their problems and excuse yours.

        The fact of the matter though Jimbo is that people of color are beautiful and come in many different shades. Our free labor was the engine that empowered the development of capital. Our labor built and designed the White house one the symbols of our democracy even though being excluded from participating in it. We rise despite the many obstacles that have been placed in front of us that you because of your skin color have never had to deal with. Ms. Bronwyn is correct. We have helped shape and build this country from the food you eat, the music you listen to (ask Ted Nugent where he learned and who he stole some of his guitar kicks from ) to the medicine and treatments that help save lives to defending this country even when what we were fighting for for others was denied us here at home. Still we don’t hate we reach out. We understand our fight for justice, peace and equality is the same fight of all oppressed and exploited people in this country and around the world. Martin King Jr. called for a poor people’s campaign in recognition of that fact. That the poor white coal miners struggling for better, safe working conditions dying from black lung in Appalachia was the same struggle of black sanitation workers in Memphis, Tenn., who were fighting for the right to organize for safer working conditions and a livable wage. Martin was gunned down. Assinated/murdered. You Jimbo are the enabler. You enable and justify the attacks on people of color with your Fox/Bill nonsense. Have wasted enough time refuting your BS , more time than you deserve. Until next time.

      • Jim Bean

        I love you back.

      • Bronwyn1

        JB, those fellow servicemen were not being subjected to segregation, Jim Crow, etc, really? You could type that with a straight face? I doubt it! If you are 65 then you are familiar with the Vietnam war Era. The news reals, at the time of race riots on ships and military bases. The films and pictures of white servicemen wearing white KKK outfits, burnining crosses, and raising the Confederate flag, to taunt their fellow Black servicemen. African American’s in the U.S. military often faced worse bitter hostility from their fellow servicemen than they did from the enemy they signed on to fight.

        African American servicemen were underrepresented at the draft board, on the military bases, and in the field. Out of the entire percentage of African Americans to enlist for the Vietnam War only one percent didn’t recieve combat assignments. That alone made for a disproportionate chance for an African American to achieve a higher office.

        The discrimination on the military bases and surrounding communities is partly to blame for a lower enlistment rate of African Americans in the military. Yet enlist they do, and they have fought every single American war in spite of the discrimination, hostility, disrespect, of their fellow Americans. They fight for and with a country that for the most part has underestimated their abilities, their intellect, and under appreciated their efforts in building this country and fighting to make it a better country.

        You, JB, will have a hard time convincing anyone you didn’t witness segregation in the military.

      • Jim Bean

        I saw none. Was in the navy. “African American’s in the U.S. military often faced worse bitter hostility from their fellow servicemen than they did from the enemy they signed on to fight.” More hostility from fellow American’s than the Viet Cong? C’mon, man!

      • congero

        It’s obvious you don’t see much.

      • Bronwyn1

        Yeah, “none so blind as those who will not see”, huh?
        I would suggest he read Black-White Relations The U.S. Military 1940-1972 by Major Alan M. Osur, African Americans In The Vietnam War by John Sibley Butler, and Race Riots Within The Military a blog by Douglas “Sandy” a veteran that was there. Just for starters, oh the stories I could tell, that I heard from my friends and family that were there. And the disgusting confessions I’ve heard.

        Notice Charlie didn’t get my snark. That made me giggle.
        God morning Cee, have a great day! 😉

      • congero

        Great post Ms. Bronwyn and so true. Naw these kooks don’t see or get what doesn’t conform to their narrow world view and snark is beyond their recognition because you’d have to think. Too much work. Lol. Have great weekend and God bless.

      • Bronwyn1

        Quoted From – ‘Race Riots within The Military! My Story’ the moderator Douglas’s blog ‘Race Riots Within The Military, Vietnam Era
        posted by Douglas “Sandy” Nov 21, 2004

        In 1964, President Johnson signed the civil rights Act. Not long after, I saw a black sailor get murdered in an Enlisted Man’s club (CThe Sky Club”) at Subic Bay, PI. I didn’t know who the black sailor was but the white sailor who stabbed/slashed him in the throat bunked right across from me. All hell broke loose on board the aircraft carrier I was attached to, the Bon Homme Richard CVA 31. A fight erupted in the club and mushroomed into a service riot that moved aboard ship. The Marines and Shore Patrol were called out but were unable to gain control until the early morning. During that time, the EXO was knocked out in hanger bay 1 as gangs of blacks and whites were hunting each other below decks. I have spent the ladt 38 years with the vision of this horrible event. What was the family of the black sailor told? Would the murder ever be brought up on charges?

        While researching this Aug 64 death riot, I discovered other riots that happened in 1966 and 1967 where two other black sailors were murdered. Another shocking and well documented of these riots was the “Kitty Hawk Incident” in 1972. All of these events started in that same EM club in Subic Bay, PI.

        The incident I witnessed, to my knowledge, has not been made public but I have provided proof that it did from other shipmates.

        The intent of this site is to creat a place for others to step forward with their stories. I am in the process of writing about my experience and would like other vetrans stories to add to it. I call it “The War Within the War”
        Unquote

      • congero

        Wow! Knowledge and the truth will set us free. Great post.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        witnessing and assimilating the events are not related if the assimilation is incorrect based upon pre conceived notions
        ====================================
        example: it is irrefutable fact that OBAMA was born in hawaii
        ………………………..yet…………………………
        what PCT% of people who claim he is NOt American are white and older than 40 in relation to the rest of Americas population?
        example: assimilating ” facts” such as jesus is GOD — when there is NO TRUE PROOF that anyone- much less a man who we know only 7.5% of his life ( from over 2000 years ago) is a god shows remarkably ersatz opinion-forming of information.

      • Charles Vincent

        The problem is that he isn’t that smart, but thinks he is. Additionally respect is earned not given.

      • congero

        Sure guy.

      • Charles Vincent

        You’ve displayed nothing here to prove otherwise.

      • congero

        I am not your monkey that has to do a trick to get a pat on the head from you. I am not here to please you nor do I need your approval for my thoughts and beliefs. So you can kiss my ass. I don’t need your recognition to know my worth or who I am.

      • Charles Vincent

        I am not here to please you either. You have the intellect of a monkey. Do you need a pat on the head? Needing approval and proving your intelligence are two separate things, conflating them is more proof you have a small intellect. Last but by no means least, mark the spot because you’re all ass.

      • congero

        ROFl…too funny.

      • Charles Vincent

        ” You are just some ignorant ass”
        This applies to you 100% here .
        I never claimed you needed approval anywhere here. I noted the point that proving your intelligent is different than needing approval. You better take that reading comprehension class you mentioned.

      • congero

        A useless and made up point since I didn’t conflate the two.

      • Charles Vincent

        You certainly did and now your lying about it to cover your own ass.

      • congero

        Sure Sparky. Learn to read.

      • Bronwyn1

        Who are you talking about, Charlie, Jim or Ted or both? Either way you are correct in that assessment.

      • Charles Vincent

        Neither actually. I was referring to congero.

      • congero

        But your comment more aptly fits you , Jimbo, and the shit/pee pants draft dodger Ted.

      • Bronwyn1

        You took the words right out of my mouth!! Good on you! 😉

      • Bronwyn1

        Hey Cee, I know you’re busy now, and you are doing a great job. But I just wanted to share something with you. Yesterday morning I was in a conversation on the CL Glen Campbell thread, I kept thinking the guy’s pix looked familiar, but I didn’t want to insult him if I was wrong I told him he looked like the author Grigg hoping he would confirm or deny being him but he didn’t. I just googled his name and I’m positive it is the author of the John Birch Society magazine and far right books. And one that tried hard to get Clinton impeached.

        His name is William N Grigg

        I just remembered I can’t post the links here, darn. I came here because I didn’t want my msg showing up on the new post side.

        A few years ago I helped my friend in Idaho empty out her Mom’s old house when she died. She had tons of his stuff with his picture on it. My friend trashed it all. But I guess I never forgot tgat face. LOL

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s your opinion and is not fact.

      • congero

        No it’s a fact.

      • Charles Vincent

        No you cant prove anything you said.

      • congero

        Hahaha. Tell me what did I say?

      • Bronwyn1

        Sorry to interrupt you.. first I replied to myself and it wouldn’t let me post a double so I added this LOL what a pain!

        Hey Cee, I know you’re busy now, and you are doing a great job. But I just wanted to share something with you. Yesterday morning I was in a conversation on the CL Glen Campbell thread, I kept thinking the guy’s pix looked familiar, but I didn’t want to insult him if I was wrong I told him he looked like the author Grigg hoping he would confirm or deny being him but he didn’t. I just googled his name and I’m positive it is the author of the John Birch Society magazine and far right books. And one that tried hard to get Clinton impeached.

        His name is William N Grigg

        I just remembered I can’t post the links here, darn. I came here because I didn’t want my msg showing up on the new post side.

        A few years ago I helped my friend in Idaho empty out her Mom’s old house when she died. She had tons of his stuff with his picture on it. My friend trashed it all. But I guess I never forgot that face. LOL

      • congero

        Wow! MF that is some catch. I am betting that a lot of these trolls are Birchers,white supremacist. It just doesn’t make sense with all the trouble they go to to establish different socks. The hate they spew and the obsession they show with doing battle with us their perceived enemy. They are organized and that is another indication that we are not just dealing with frustrated posters . Thanks for info. I’ve posted as well as others Billo’s own words and the trolls still refuse to see. He has managed to turn this thing of he(the victim)being attacked by DC/MJ. and the left. They(his followers) gooble that stuff up. He knows his audience.

      • Bronwyn1

        Good morning, MF, (my friend) we best not abbreviate my friend and Morning Flower LOL someone is bound to think it stands for mother f—-er, LOL.

        Well the guy was very polite to me. But I just knew there was something familiar about his face and name. Actually I haven’t yet looked at his past comments. Once I remembered to google him it was late and I was following your battle so posted to you and went to bed. You must have just made your last post too.

        Did you google him? The other thing that always baffles me is how anyone of color could ever join the LDS (Mormon) church. With their views on blacks. It’s very strange.

        That’s the thing you post O’Reilly’s actual videos, not just a sound bite taken out of context, like they do Rev Wright and they still refuse to see his lies. I once had a neighbor that I would go round and round with about O’Reilly and the rest of them at Fox. I would play a speech by Obama and then the clip where Fox totally lied about what had been said. And she would just stubbornly turn a deaf ear to it and donate thousands more to the GOP.

      • congero

        Lol. You are too funny. Naw, i don’t think people would think i am calling You a Mf’er but i will call you by your name Ms. Bronwyn. I like it. No i didn’t google the guy but don’t be fooled by his civility. If he is the person you suspect i am sure he is practiced and polish sort of like a David Duke. Anyway let me know what you find out. You got me Ms. Bronwyn. LDS and Black folk seems like a odd mix to me also. Maybe folks don’t know history. Then again you had Black folks fighting on the side of the confederacy and killing Indians also. The world is not easy to understand i know you understand. This O’Reily thing is illuminating isn’t it. He bullies, lies and acts all macho and his faithful love it. Classic example right wing authoritarianism. Thanks for link. Be well and wishing you and yours the best always. Until next time your friend and comrade Congero.

      • Charles Vincent

        Pot meet kettle.

      • congero

        I challenge you to back that statement up.

      • Charles Vincent

        “I have problems with bigots and idiocy both traits you exhibit.”
        Bigotry wasn’t the only trait you mentioned.
        Additionally I have neither the time nor the inclination to wade through 13k+ posts. But just looking at the first few I see condescension and that generally precedes stupidity and idiocy.

      • congero

        So nothing. Next time know what you’re talking about before you poke your nose into someone’s conversation. I have history with JB and my words are measured and accurate.

      • Charles Vincent

        Next time try not to be a condescending ass and then use circular arguments to try to refute a statement. Secondly you are on a public Blog and I will nose in if I so choose.

      • congero

        I’ll be condescending when I feel it appropriate and if I’m a ass so be it. Sure you can noose in if you like but don’t be surprised when you’re called on not knowing WTF you are talking about.

      • Charles Vincent

        Ahh there is the veiled ad hominem. Like I said condescension is followed by stupidity and idiocy, and is a close relative of arrogance. Ohh and I can call you on your bullshit as well Junior. Also Bigotry isnt just about not liking someone based on skin color or other things it is also about intolerance of others views regardless of whether they are factual or not.

      • congero

        ROLF…so you think people should tolerate ignorance and others bigotry? Wow! If I fight lies and don’t tolerate them I’m being bigot? Is this like the person who calls out racism when they see it are the racist?

        Bigotry

        Bigotry is a state of mind where a person views other groups with fear, distrust, prejudice or hatred solely on the basis of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.

        Junior? No condescension there. What was it you said followed? lol Are you being a bigot and making a ad hominem attack? I don’t think you know WTF you are talking about. Color me surprised.

      • Charles Vincent

        See it isn’t funny when people condescend is it. Bigotry also covers ideas. The fact that there are people that still believe the world is flat or that there was never a moon landing is true. They harm no one so what is it to you what they believe.

        For the record the definition of bigotry.

        noun, plural bigotries.

        1.

        stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.

        2.

        the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

      • congero

        Hey, it doesn’t bother me. I found it funny and absurd and like I said color me surprised especially after reading this from you to another poster;
        Charles Vincent • 2 days ago

        A) She was a judge as in past tense. her career is quite distinguished. you can look it up so stop being a lazy turd.
        B) see answer A

        A school teacher who teaches the earth is flat is harming students. You can believe what you damn well please but when you put it in the public eye and it’s wrong it does harm.

        Pretty broad definition of bigotry but I’ll be a bigot against racial intolerance and ignorance.

      • Charles Vincent

        That is your prerogative but any message you bring falls on deaf ears.
        But unlike you I never claimed to be something other than how I conduct myself.

      • congero

        Rofl. Yeah I saw in the post I cut and pasted from you how you conduct yourself. How did you put it? “Stop being a lazy turd.” Lol.

      • Charles Vincent

        Yep do your own research instead of being spoon feed misinformation.

        Back to this comment of yours.

        “A school teacher who teaches the earth is flat is harming students.”
        Name the teachers who are.

      • congero

        Do you think the earth is just 5000 yrs old? Are you not aware of the movements to replace evolution with creationism in science textbooks? Have you not followed what is going on in Colorado, Texas. I am tired of carrying you fool. Look it up . Again, how did you put it, “Stop being a lazy turd .”

      • Charles Vincent

        1) No, you also got that wrong most creationist thing its 10,000 or so. and religous people (a portion of them) believe the earth is older. You also fail to recognize that(as to Christians) hat in the bible god essentially tells us time to him and time to us are not the same thing.
        2) Not that I am aware of. What I have seen is that they want it taught along side evolution.

        “Have you not followed what is going on in Colorado, Texas.”
        What exactly are you talking about here be specific so I can look it up. Or is being ambiguous the game here?

      • congero

        ROFL. ..so you think 10000 is close? You want to argue evolution? You really think teaching creationism a belief along side established science does service to kids. You see that is similar to a teacher teaching kids the earth is flat when we all no better. I wouldn’t expect you to get it after you asked me that stupid question. Lol. . It’s Friday and if you aren’t up to current events …well like I said I am tired of carrying you. Follow your own advice turd.

      • Charles Vincent

        I see your reading comprehension is lacking as well.

        ” You see that is similar to a teacher teaching kids the earth is flat when we all no better.”
        Prove creationism is completely wrong.
        “It’s Friday and if you aren’t up to current events …well like I said I am tired of carrying you.”
        So being ambiguous is the game here, Check.

      • congero

        Wow! Creationism is a belief held by christians. Not everyone is a Christian and our founding documents explicitly say that their should be no religious test for office and that there is a separation of church and state. That government should not promote one religion over another so teaching creationism a Christian belief in a public school is against our founding documents. So there is that. You remember Galileo? He was the guy that was excommunicated from the Catholic Church for the suggestion that earth was not the center of the created order. It was not a popular belief and went against established thought. He was imprisoned for it. Everything written by biblical scholars about the heavens or the earth assumed the earth to be the center of the universe. They got the idea from a literal interpretation of the bible. The sun does not rise nor does it set. The earth turns on it’s axis creating that illusion. The book of Genesis has a vision of the cosmos that no educated person could today assume. The earth is flat, surrounded by water on all sides, covered by a dome sky with peepholes or stars through which the light of heaven perhaps could be gleemed. A magical God was said to be in control of everything from the rising of the sun (as I stated the sun does not rise) to the tides, to the storms, floods, thunder, lightening, it was thought to be all his creation and controlled by Him. We know better today although Katrina was pushed by religious fundamentalist as a punishment by God for the evils of gay sex and a rejection of biblical principals in society. Another interpretation in Genesis says that man or Adam was molded out of the dust of the earth. God said “let there be” and there was. In this interpretation man was created 1st and God’s imagine as God breathed life into him surrounding him with all the animals Noah was to later save. Then God created out of man, well from his rib it was written , women who was to be Adams mate and helper. Lol. Now you can believe what you like but we have knowledge today that’s dispels that belief if you are to take the bible literally. To teach those beliefs in a science class alongside established and proven scientific evidence that counters that is tantamount to teaching the earth is flat. In the book of Joshua , Joshua orders the sun to stand still in the sky so that the slaughter of the Amrita by the Israelite ‘ s could continue without the interruption of night. Josh. 10:12,13. Look it up. We know the sun can’t be stopped because it is not journeying through the sky. Rather we know from science that the earth rotates on it’s axis. What would be the gravitational effects of the earth stopping it’s rotation? Can we really teach that in a science class? All throughout the bible there are stories that if taught in science would be lying to the students and going against what we know based on evidence to be true. Our galaxy is billions of yrs.old. With more stars than people who have ever populated the earth. There are more galaxies in our universe than there are stars in our single galaxy. Our galaxy is only one of billions and billions of galaxies in the universe. The bible is limited in compared to the knowledge we have available today. Neil DE Grass had a great series on Fox called Cosmos. I suggest you watch them to get up to speed Sparky. I am tired if carrying you lazy turd. Lol.

      • Charles Vincent

        And what exactly does this wall of text have to do with what I stated? other than you think all Christans believe what your positing here.

        “That government should not promote one religion over another so teaching creationism a Christian belief in a public school is against our
        founding documents.”

        No it isn’t it only means if they allot the teaching of one they have to allow them all and they cant pick a state religion. the founders didnt want a church of England they didn’t say they couldn’t teach them in their various forms.

        “The book of Genesis has a vision of the cosmos that no educated person could today assume. The earth is flat, surrounded by water on all sides, covered by a dome sky with peepholes or stars through which the light of heaven perhaps could be gleemed.”

        Really? Point out in Genesis where it makes any claim about the shape of the earth.

        “Another interpretation in Genesis says that man or Adam was molded out of the dust of the earth. God said “let there be” and there was. In this interpretation man was created 1st and God’s imagine as God breathed life into him surrounding him with all the animals Noah was to later save.”

        You really need to actually read the story of creation.
        here is the short version
        Day one; God created light/dark
        Day two; God created land that divided the water of the deep
        Day three; God created the plants and vegetation
        Day four; God created the sun,moon, and stars and seasons(spring, summer, fall, winter)
        Day five; God created creatures in the seas and creatures in the air.
        Day six; God created man
        Day seven; God rested

        For future reference I am agnostic. Additionally your ignorance of even the basic tenants of religion are very large to say the least. The rest of your post is Non Sequitur, I never claims any of those were right or wrong.

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      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        colloquially expressed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, teaching that adam and eve is the SOLE genesis for humanity is exactly the same.
        ……………….or that jesus walked on water
        ………………or noah collected all animals and placed them all back again
        …………….or JONAH survived in the inside of a HUGE aquatic animal for 4 days
        ………………… or GOD hates gays

      • Charles Vincent

        off in the south forty again T.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,vintage Charles evasion

      • Charles Vincent

        no your running off topic thats classic for you.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        don’t waste time with cretins such as Charles and jim bean–
        I have something easier– mentor my pet TEGU to play ROSSINI on the harpischord
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        U will have more success. These two avoid true facts by their (a) silence (b) spinning

      • congero

        Hahaha…you’re right of course.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        im amazed at many people,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but they can hide behind the internet so I do not take it seriously: just entertainment when Im bored and it allows me ( forces me also) 2 look up facts –TRUE facts– so I can learn and give educated replies

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        hey chuckles– I abhor ( vehemently) white trash religious regressive scumbags who do NOT look at all facts;
        does this make me a BIGOT?

      • Charles Vincent

        By definition yes it does, you are definitely intolerant of any view point that conflicts with your own.

      • congero

        My , my the mental gymnastics you clowns twist yourself into.

      • Charles Vincent

        Just the facts Junior just the facts.

      • congero

        You wouldn’t know a fact if it slapped you in your face and I got your junior hangin’ .

      • Charles Vincent

        I didn’t know they made them that small.

      • congero

        Weak, tired and old and further proof that I would get more out of talking to a empty chair (Clint Eastwood. Lol) than continuing this nonsense with you . Good day Sparky.

      • Charles Vincent

        AWWW you want your ball before you run along home Junior?

      • congero

        Just tired of kicking your but all over this thread. You’re too easy like low hanging fruit and now you’re just a bore.

      • Charles Vincent

        Whatever makes you feel better.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        im intolerant when they are not substantiated by TRUE corroborated facts( see: CBO / US treasury / federal reserve economic data / etc……
        =========================================
        when my ‘opponents’ bring VOODOO( see: religion/ jesus/ heaven/ ETC) into the mix I enjoy destroying their blind stupidity
        ======================================
        fun fact: I think rush Limbaugh and ial Sharpton glenn beck and jesse Jackson/ are all the same,,,,,,,idiots who make BIG money preying on the truly prejudiced and the ignorant

      • Old Top Kick

        Better a condescending ass than a slobbering fairytale humping moron. Now put your penis away and run along home, little boy.

      • Charles Vincent

        yeah no

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        funny (??) how when we all see blockheads such as jim bean and IVAN the RENKO– among OTHER regressives — placing their easy2refute posts ( see; stupidity and idiocy/condescension) U are N.E.V.E.R to be seen —
        ==========================================
        NEVER—————
        ( must be a simple case of poor timing; eh Charles?)

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s the problem you just offer up some opinion but never back it with verifiable facts, you instead run off into the south forty on a rant that rarely has anything to do with the point you’re trying to refute.

      • congero

        Facts? All you’ve done here is run your mouth. You haven’t provided any facts.

      • Charles Vincent

        The facts are all over this thread that’s proof enough of what I said.

      • congero

        No those are called your opinions. Now explain to me how Joshua stopped the sun from moving in the sky and why we should be teaching that in science classes?

      • Charles Vincent

        Joshua didn’t, he asked god to do it. And whether you believe in “God or intellegent design etcetera the creator of a system could certainly suspend things like the suns movement given the fact they are Omnipotent. you also seem to argue that lack of proof means it isn’t true, this is a logical fallacy argument.

        “why we should be teaching that in science classes?”
        Not in science class as a class of its own I made that clear initially and You still continue to push a strawman argument.

      • congero

        Lol. Like I said mental gymnastics. The sun doesn’ t revolve around the earth it is the other way around. The earth spins on it’s axis revolving around the sun giving the illusion of the sun setting and rising . Those are facts sunny not opinion or beliefs. You can believe in what you like but facts or facts and are verifiable and c an be proven . They do have classes on comparative religions but I was specifically talking about teaching the Christian belief of creationism in science classes. You’re flailing and looking stupid Sparky and my guess is your ego is larger than your intelligence to stop you when your so far behind. So unless you have something substantial to offer I bid you adios .

      • Charles Vincent

        “The sun doesn’ t revolve around the earth it is the other way around.
        The earth spins on it’s axis revolving around the sun giving the
        illusion of the sun setting and rising ”

        So you’re saying I said they didn’t? IS that your game here? I never refuted those things I stated your factual error on what creationists generally think the age of the earth is.

        “You’re flailing and looking stupid”

        The only one looking stupid here is you for claiming I said what you claimed above that I quoted.

        https://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=I37wUKtX810
        Try not to be such an ignorant ninnyhammer next time Junior.

      • congero

        Weren’t you the one that claimed one could believe that a omnipotent God could stop the sun from moving and that is what Joshua asked? Well Sparky that is impossible by what we know today the earth and other planets in our solar system revolve around the sun. We know this and can verify and prove it. Galileo was right and the church wrong. To stop the earth’s rotation would be disastrous to the all living things on earth and earth itself. These things are verifiable Sparky not beliefs or fantasies. Like I said your ego is getting you into things your intellect can’t back up which is why you are parsing to try and justify your absurdity and it’s making you look stupid. You made no correction on what I said creationist believed. You added some thing buts that was all but to believe that Adam was made from dust and eve from his rib is nonsense

      • Bronwyn1

        Dust is all Charlies got, let’s see what he brings forth. I’m bettin’ on more dust. ;-))))

      • congero

        Well you can stick around Ms. Bronwyn but I’ve already wasted to much of my Sat. on this parsing, obfuscating moron.

      • Charles Vincent

        You added some thing that was all and I didn’t present it as total
        accounting of that section only highlighting parts that didn’t jibe with
        what we know scientifically to be the case. to believe that Adam was
        made from dust and eve from his rib is nonsense.

        “Weren’t you the one that claimed one could believe that a omnipotent Godcould stop the sun from moving and that is what Joshua asked?”
        People can and do believe this I didn’t claim it its empirically provable. also your original question is a false premise it wasn’t joshua that stopped the sun it was god in the section you tried to cherry pick.

        “To stop the earth’s rotation would be disastrous to the all living things on earth and earth itself.”
        Prove an omnipotent being couldn’t do it.

        “You made no correction on what I said creationist believed. You added
        some thing that was all and I didn’t present it as total accounting
        of that section only highlighting parts that didn’t jibe with what we
        know scientifically to be the case. to believe that Adam was made from
        dust and eve from his rib is nonsense.”

        You stated man was made first, clearly he wasn’t in fact the earth the sun the moon the stars and animals were all made before man. that is a factual correction of what you originally stated.

        WRT people made of dust.

        “Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All are necessary to life. The remaining elements are trace elements,
        of which more than a dozen are thought to be necessary for life, or
        play a role in good health (e.g., fluorine, which hardens dental enamel but seems to have no other function). An easy way to remember the six most essential elements in living organisms is CHONPC (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus, and calcium).”

        Note some of them are dry and are “dust” the others are gas and “breathed” into the dust.

        WRT eve and the rib.

        Conceivably this is some advanced cloning/dna manipulation. Your myopic sir Science isn’t about disproving god it seeks out the mechanisms he used to create us and everything around us.

        “Some creationist want us to believe that dinosaurs and man as we know him today walked the earth at the same time.”

        Well aren’t some birds and reptiles species descendants of dinosaurs? And doesn’t that make the statement that man and dinosaurs walk the earth at the same time?

        so

      • congero

        spin,spin,spin . You are too funny.

      • Charles Vincent

        So exposing the lie you tried to perpetrate is now spin… check.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        Charles,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Charles,,,,,,,,,,Charles— U and I know that other than alligators and crocs NO dinosaurs existed with man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when I say DINOSAURS I mean the ‘classic’ critters of your youthful interest: stegosaurs/ triceratops/ tyrannosaurus/ pterodactyl/ dimetrodon/ brontosaurus etc
        ===================================
        please do not conflate the time and species. Flintstones is NOT a documentary

      • congero

        don’t forget a omnipotent being stopping the rotation of the earth. Can you prove he didn”t? Too funny right.

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        read my reply to sir chuckles below-

      • Charles Vincent

        to you i say prove they didnt.

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        NOTE: carbon dating and earth excavations have already proven that humans did NOT show up on this planet until 2.5 million yrs ago; and they were not TRUE humans but simple ” homo erectus(etc)”
        ….dinosaurs

      • Charles Vincent

        Riddle me this t what is the maximum time C14 dating is accurate? and what is is its actual accuracy rating in that time frame.
        Sorry T this is going to leave a mark.
        “Evolutionist Richard Dawkins admitted the
        weakness of radiocarbon dating when he said, “It is useful for dating
        organic material where we are dealing in hundreds or a few thousands of
        years, but it is no good for the evolutionary timescale where we are
        dealing in millions of years.” Even the inventor of carbon-14 dating,
        W.F. Libby, acknowledged that it is not an accurate way of dating things
        past a few thousand years old. Simply put, radiocarbon dating can never
        be used to get accurate ages measured in millions or billions of years.”

      • JOHN McCARTHY NUDE ARREST

        and earth excavations????? no TRUE dinosaur bones near mans ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, unless some seismic shift contaminated site diggings ( very rare)
        =======================================
        nice try chuck–

      • Charles Vincent

        Just because it hasn’t been found doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and those same seizmic shifts could have destroyed the evidence of man and dinosaur overlapping.

      • JOHN McCARTHY NUDE ARREST

        so————– by that “logic” unicorns exist?
        =====================================
        and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what about man appearing 3 million yrs ago ( NOTE: NOT homo sapiens) and dinosaurs dying 65 million years ago…….?
        did I miss something here??/

      • Charles Vincent

        Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice versa.

      • JOHN McCARTHY NUDE ARREST

        phlegmatic Charles: U are spinning away from the time table regarding humans appearing and dinosaurs exiting

      • Charles Vincent

        No I am refuting your assertions in two different ways.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

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        (a) how did noah go to Australia and antartica and the western hemisphere and the arctic circle to get those critter; and how did NOAH get them all back to those lands again??? ( remember–according to scripture; we are all descended from NOAH and his clan)
        (b) why cant their “god” cure an amputee???

      • congero

        Don’t need too you just did now this kook is trying to spin dinosaurs and man walked the earth together.

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        ,,,,,,,,,ur gonna TRY 2 tell me that the flinstones is FALSE???
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      • congero

        Lol…yea this clown actually thinks we using dinosaurs for transportation. Ride em’ cowboy.

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      • congero

        Sorry Sparky I don’t click on links from morons.

      • Charles Vincent

        And thats why you lose because you bury your head in the sand and wallow in ignorance.

      • congero

        One last kick.

        “Gatewood (1969) analyzes the transition from the anti-evolution crusade of the 1920s to the creation science movement of the 1960s. Despite some similarities between these two causes, the creation science movement represented a shift from religious to scientific objections to Darwin’s theory. Creation science also differed in terms of popular leadership, rhetorical tone, and sectional focus. It lacked a prestigious leader like Bryan, utilized scientific rather than religious rhetoric, and was a product of California and Michigan instead of the South.

        Webb (1991) traces the political and legal struggles between strict creationists and Darwinists to influence the extent to which evolution would be taught as science in Arizona and California schools. After Scopes was convicted, creationists throughout the United States sought similar antievolution laws for their states. These included Reverends R. S. Beal and Aubrey L. Moore in Arizona and members of the Creation Research Society in California, all supported by distinguished laymen. They sought to ban evolution as a topic for study, or at least relegate it to the status of unproven theory perhaps taught alongside the biblical version of creation. Educators, scientists, and other distinguished laymen favored evolution. This struggle occurred later in the Southwest than in other US areas and persisted through the Sputnik era.

        In recent times, the courts have heard cases on whether or not the Book of Genesis’s creation account should be taught in science classrooms alongside evolution, most notably in the 2005 federal court case Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.Creationism was presented under the banner of intelligent design, with the book Of Pandas and People being its textbook. The trial ended with the judge deciding that teaching intelligent design in a science class was unconstitutional as it was a religious belief and not science.”

        I was on my phone before but a simple search on your computer,’ religious christian fundamentalist want creation taught in science class’, will bring you up to speed. Also plug in ‘Texas wants to rewrite textbooks.’

        It won’t wipe the egg off your face,but maybe it will cause you to pause before posting on something you know nothing about. Stop letting your mouth sell tickets your ass can’t back up.

      • Charles Vincent

        so narrow is your vision junior you think this is a zero sum game when it isn’t.

        Life is not just black and white there are and infinite number of shades of gray in between the two ends. you make the same mistake rabid creationists make in thinking your science answered are infallible or the only correct path. The fact is science is fallible just like those who misinterpret the bible and both sides sport arrogance so thick you could cut it with a knife. the science is only as good as the available knowledge. I can name many theories that failed or were abandon including evolution.

      • Old Top Kick

        Stop masturbating in public, little boy.

      • Charles Vincent

        bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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        Charles,,,,allow me this: do U truly claim that “god” can be influenced by humans beggings( prayers) or by one group of humans ( “his children” ) over another group of humans( “his children”)? or; perhaps this is easier————— do U claim that any human that walked upon this earth is/was/is “god”?

      • Charles Vincent

        not claiming it at all if you have read the bible it is full of instances of god intervening on behalf of people whom asked him for help. this is not unknown.

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        I have read the tao, the bible, conversations with god, varieties of religious experience( the most difficult book I ever read) , the bhagavad gita and many many other spiritual based books over the past few decades. Not only do I wager substantial funds that YOU have NOT read as many religious/spiritual books; but Im also willing to wager everything I own ( tangible asset) that more humans than not– by a WIDE margin– have NOT been helped by any “god” (deity) which places the so-called ‘intervention’ you profuse….. to be relegated to coincidence as Im firmly convinced that although ‘miracles’ do occur they have no relation to mankinds “beggings”; in fact- they fall under serendipity more frequently while MOST humans have suffered incredible pains and suffering even as the “PRAYED” *(begged) for ‘gods’ intervention IE ‘help’
        ==================================
        or perhaps,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, all those jewish kids killed by german Nazis didn’t pray to god for ” intervention”?

      • Charles Vincent

        You’re spinning what I said and throwing in a touch of hyperbole. I am talking in the bible there are instances of people appealing to god for help and getting it.

        ” but Im also willing to wager everything I own ( tangible asset)
        that more humans than not– by a WIDE margin– have NOT been
        helped by any “god” (deity) which places the so-called
        ‘intervention’ you profuse….. to be relegated to coincidence as
        Im firmly convinced that although ‘miracles’ do occur they have
        no relation to mankinds “beggings”; in fact- they fall under
        serendipity more frequently while MOST humans have suffered
        incredible pains and suffering even as the “PRAYED” *(begged) for
        ‘gods’ intervention IE ‘help'”

        this happened in the bible as well . Guessing why is well foolish we have problems figuing out why we do things let alone a being infinitely more intelligent than we are. In the end I don’t know one way or the other I can only revise my belief according to any new information.

      • JOHN McCARTHY NUDE ARREST

        one of your softer landings there Charles,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        U actually believe that some BIBLICAL GOD beggings of humans??

      • Charles Vincent

        What I believe doesn’t matter here I was addressing the factual errors others were making when they represented what the bible says.

      • Marsha

        maybe he was in Alaska,? if this actually occurred in the ME more land would be created around the equator and all the waters would go to each pole It matters not since god said never again to listen to a human. You don’t need the bible included to ask kids what do you think would happen if the earth stopped turning…the question is did he start it slowly again because it would make one hell of a tsunami from both sides at the equator and even Joshua would be wiped out

      • Charles Vincent

        OK you missed what I said. Let me make it Clear for you.

        I spoke in terms of omnipotence;

        adjective

        1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.

        God being all powerful and the one whom created everything can do what every he wants including breaking or suspending the laws of physics or squeezing time in to seconds allowing Joshua to do want was needed. Please in the future read slow and process what you read and think in terms that aren’t so linear.

      • Marsha

        lol linear thinking? Hmm I thought it was utmost out of the box since your only view and every comment seems to be of one topic and that wold lead me to think it was you, who seemed linear. By that i mean, unsubdivided, one train of thought, the lengthwise dimension, or in a better term of definition having only one dimension..WE can as well, apply your linear thoughts to your insults, for they seem to all be the SAME unending line.

        You must misunderstand God. For it seems that it is ALL of us whom are “wrong” or “and must …………r-e-a-d …..sllllllooowwwwwwer” because it is YOU who are of the most omnipotent and have the only proper “answers”. You ARE aware that (now hear is the part you must read slower and not misintrepret my points) God discovered, he too, was not perfect?

        Thus is where MAN comes in…does he not? One of his bigest mistakes. He affording them free will really screwed him up. I mean, he is so omnipotent he must have wished Adam and Eve to be cognizant would you not agree? Or he would have ridded the snake AND the tree from the garden. He would have made Eve and Adam not become tempted at ALL to begin with. Because some one all powerful who can manipulate physics can as well foresee the future. and be heaar I mean ; ” I spoke in terms of omnipotence; adjective

        1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.

        God being all powerful and the one whom created everything can do what every he wants including…” controlling EVERYTHING even Lucifer…. !

        Read even s-l-o-w-e-r now; Planing for his first humans to be cognizant and aware of all feelings and desires he planted both the tree and the snake and the tempatation… Thus man is truely in the image of God, and thus contains inherant foibles. For a REASON omnipotent God planned the whole episode. Just as he hated what he created, he destroyed it, and just as he hated that he destroyed them, he said he would not do it again, he as well said he would not listen to a mortal either again….. I am sure your self would not see this far outside of the truth box, since you tend to lean to the more omnipotent side of God and less toward the foibled side and feel you have no failings which of course leads us to feelings of where has all the humbleness gone and replaced by that pesky sin pride?

        Please most omnipitant Charles Vincent, read slower, my son of God, and fellow man, think in terms that are more realisticaly written in the bible itself…..We don’t see too many pillars of salt shaped as women but we DO see a lot more incetouse relations(rape) going on don’t we..? And so God has done his work and left his miricals for the bible. The teeny tiny ones of present day we must search for, and even if they aren’t there, we tell ourselves they are…in order to make it one more year, or day….God did not have all the answers and neither do you. You too can swipe the slate clean as God did and start over or you could squeez 24 hours into a second of time..make sure you work on the pride part while you are in there….

      • Charles Vincent

        Try not to read the Encyclopedia Britannica into the space between the lines next time, and then learn to think abstractly.

        PS
        Also refrain from argumentum absurdum in the future,

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        =======================================
        shall we RE open such luminary topics as job creation and/or deficits/surpluses ( spending) between the two parties?

      • Charles Vincent

        Been there and you didn’t measure up. In those cases yes you used facts but as I said rarely do you include them in posts.

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        ====================================
        ” I didn’t measure up”—-sound to me that ur crybaby ass doesn’t want 2 ‘measure’ the above economic topics……………….
        seems crying and spinning is a better fit 4 ya

      • Charles Vincent

        already did and it shut you down sorry you dont like it.

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    • Ryan Odell Goss

      The sad part is people claim to be for peace “forpeace” and yet they seek to breath death into the lives of people who still have reasoning minds that know it is impossible to trade liberty for safety, when you do you will lose both and deserve neither. Obviously Ted Neugent has not knowingly willfully or otherwise made any threat to take the life of to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the president, of the US. It’s that simple. The nut bag author is writing with the proposition that making the type of comment “you can suck on the end of my gun no matter who you are if you try to take my right to defend myself from me” is all inclusive and therefore a threat to the President of the United States. That’s a bit of a stretch on it’s own so the author makes sure to use “scumbag” repetitively as well as other derogatory descriptions to compound weight to a weightless argument, anything multiplied by nothing remains nothing however, and that is exactly the end result of reading this whole article, it shows nothing except for poor judgment and strong contempt for a person of a different school of thought that scares the poor little author, because he doesn’t understand it, and it makes him mad when people think differently than he does. Everybody is afraid of things they don’t understand, I often as much as any, but I don’t go breathing death into the lives of people by trying to insight pitchfork party kangaroo courts on online forums. Here is a fact, Republican’s are American’s, and Democrats are American’s and being neither I am American, but I will vote for neither ASS nor Elephant Shit until they quit dividing the nation with this us against them rhetoric and causing infighting among each other to distract from the fact The rich own them each and they do the bidding no matter what on the backs of the poor.

      • forpeace

        No, actually the saddest part is poster “Ryan Odell Goss” with reading comprehension problem accusing me of wishing death into the lives of people.

        I have repeated what this crazy man had promised, those are his own words, not mine. But, nice try!

      • Ryan Odell Goss

        Interesting, I can’t say I’ve ever been called out on my comprehension skills before, but I guess when people know you they hesitate to challenge a guy who came in at a 12th grade level when he was a 6th grader. It also doesn’t help much when you start out your freshmen year getting the highest overall GPA in the whole class… That one gets you stuffed in a few lockers, especially if you act like you have the right to feel proud like you accomplished something… So I’ll just go ahead and take the humble route and say… “Yes, I’m sure you’re quite right, I must have misinterpreted your otherwise clear and concise language”.

    • soma151

      you sound like a nut just like Ted…you two should have a nut party

    • Arthur Longeno Pavis Jr

      Your ignorance is showing. Barack Hussein Obama has committed crimes against the Constitution of the United States and is still walking around. Government is supposed to be FOR, OF and BY the people not radical community organizers, activist courts, leftwing elites and career politicians. Wow – it’s no wonder that the country is a mess. It’s not Uncle Ted’s fault – I point the finger at people like you!

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  • Kid Abra

    I don’t care for Ted Nugent, but there was no threaten to life in that post, which is exactly why he isn’t being charged.

    • robingee

      I think people are referring to, “Freedom or their evil carcasses for traction back to it.” – but I honestly don’t even know what the hell that sentence (?) means.

      • ziggywiggy

        I think I’ve decoded it: Freedom(guns,guns and more guns) or their evil carcasses(dead bodies) for traction(as a way to get more guns)

      • robingee

        Evil carcasses acting like non-slip floor mats?

      • surfjac

        It means, you’re either a bed-wetting, pants-shitting, statutory rapist, draft-dodging idiot or a better roadway. I’m on the “better roadway” side.

      • Steve Brains

        Most of us thought you went the other way jac.

      • fredoandme

        it means he is willing to gleefully drive over their dead bodies.
        it ain’t that difficult.

      • robingee

        Well, it’s a sentence that makes no sense. But by all means have an attitude because I need to be taken down a peg.

      • fredoandme

        DO you need taken down a peg?
        of course the sentence doesn’t make any sense. it’s one of them read between the lines kind of things, ain’t it? long, laborious hours of thimking on it. head in a bucket serious thinking.
        did you think I was being mean to you? nothing could have been farther from my mind.
        truly. must be losing my touch.

    • forpeace

      Are you implying that everyone has to wait and do nothing until something goes terribly wrong?

      August 2007 – Ted Nugent Threatens to Kill Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton During Vicious Onstage Rant. Renegade right-winger Ted Nugent recently went on a vicious onstage rant in which he threatened the lives of Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Decked out in full-on camouflage hunting gear, Nugent wielded two machine guns while raging, “Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary,” he continued. “You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.” Nugent summed up his eloquent speech by screaming “freedom!”

      • Stephen Barlow

        The Secret Service is handling it. BBBWWWWAAAUUUUGGGGGHHHHH

      • Nemisis

        I’m just not seeing the threat here. It could be argued that he might wait till they drop dead of their own accord.
        If he had said, “Bring me their evil carcases.” that might get him in some hot water. As it is it is just borderline.

        Just my opinion.

  • robingee

    You know how, when someone goes nuts and shoots a bunch of people everyone says, “Why didn’t anyone NOTICE he was a few crackers short of a cheese plate?” Well. HERE YA GO.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Sure is a lot of cheeze and zits there.

  • TMBatKK

    Why isn’t this man in jail and being tried for treason. During a time of war, which we are still in, execution is the outcome. It is time for the Gov to do it’s J-O-B and start arresting these people, prosecuting them and then imposing the full extent of the law.

    • Stephen Barlow

      Sedition. he IS at least chargeable for Sedition.

  • Mark Bridges-Music

    “their peace&love disease.” REALLY?! Since when is peace and Love a disease? I thought that is what we were striving for. The man is completely insane and I hope he crosses the line and does something the feds can act on. He is a threat to himself and others. He needs to be locked up for public protection.

    • Ryan Odell Goss

      Peace and love is a disease when the people who profess them either understand nothing of the same, they call love hate and hate love, that is a disease. They wish and even demand prison (torture) and the stripping of the most fundamental right to secure ones own person. That said, I have to reason you mean to protect you and the few others with this school of thought? He’s not a threat to the public, he’s a threat, a very legitimate threat to those who would wrong him. Nothing is more of a civic duty than to protect your own liberties, I suspect that if I tried to take something important to you, you would pose a threat to me also but that’s not the same as threatening me, not in a criminal sense.

    • Jimmy

      Too bad stupidity is not a crime, he would be at the top of the most wanted list

  • Mary Poma

    I know many conservative gun rights activists ( granted, none of the ones I know are on the extreme fringe) who think he is an ass and a moron.

  • James Thompson

    This NAZI should be taken away and put in Gitmo.

  • Leonard Lewis

    No balls is all I have to say. Secret service, FBI all of you just have no balls.

    • Josh Wyatt

      You all just enjoy your tyranny while you can. Uncle Ted for President

      • Jay Skinner

        His sanity and intellect are on par with most of the other conservative candidates. He’d do well with the gun loving, bible thumping, Walmart shopping, Chik-Fil-A gobbling, high school dropout Jeebus freaks.

  • Stephen Barlow

    While it’s imflammatory nonsenseical gibberish, I don’t see a direct threat here.

    Please don’t get any MORE like Fox Fixtion is about this Ebola TERROR.

    • ziggywiggy

      maybe since a carcass is not alive him saying “Freedom or their evil carcasses for traction back to it”
      Which means to me if he doesn’t get what he wants the people he listed must become carcasses(dead).

      • Stephen Barlow

        “Ghee, nice jacket.” Doesn’t mean I wanna wear it or buy one like it.

      • ziggywiggy

        ??? not comparable

      • Stephen Barlow

        Direct correlation. Ted doesn’t wanna do it himself., but he likes the idea as much as I like your jacket.

        It;s really hard to find Me wrong with BOTH logic AND semantics. but knock yourself out.

      • ziggywiggy

        what’s really funny is I agree, I never said he was making a direct threat(I said he inferred), he is too much a coward to do anything himself, but it could be inciting violence. Thank you for liking my jacket,LOL

      • Stephen Barlow

        LOL. the law is a very fickle mistress. The words are EVERYTHING. Which is WHY I minored in Semantics. My 7th grade teacher introduced Me to it’s study when she caught me throwing a paper wad down the row to the back rower who threw it @ Me.

        “Of all people to be throwing things across the room. She was a VERY distinguished Southern Virginia lady of 60, teaching hippie kids in Florida in the early 70’s. eEry Sophisitcated, cotillion bred…

        And I said, “But Mrs. hart! That way in not ‘across’ the room, this way is.” She actually blushed when she she said, “A correct as that may be, please use your pitching skills outside after class Mr Stephen.”

        She called all of us Mr or Miss (first name). She would be 100 by now.

        Anyway…

      • Sandy Greer

        My dad used to tell a good story. We’d roll our eyes and tease him about it – but no denying he told a good story.

        After he died, my aunt put together a collection of his stories – and gave it to my sisters and I. Some we’d heard – Many were new to us, or ones we’d forgotten. It was a very special gift she gave us.

        You should think about doing something like that.

        Storytelling is a lost art.

      • Steve Brains

        What a lovely gift!!!!

        There is a Hemingway contest every year. A six word short story. Based on a challenge some jackass gave Hemingway during a bar room ambush interview. You can Google the details, there’s like a $10,000 prize.

        Off the cuff Ernest came up with:

        For sale.
        Baby Shoes.
        Never worn.

        BAM!!! No more detail needed in this one! 6 words tells (MAKES you FEEL and UNDERSTAND) EVERYTHING.

      • Sandy Greer

        Short Writing Contest. Six-Word Memoirs.

        ^^^More discipline there than in Haiku.

        Brains
        and Heart
        ’tis an Irony

      • Steve Brains

        BRAINS & heart, melody, synphony, tragedy.

      • Sandy Greer

        Brains & Heart – temerity, iniquities, pageantry.

      • Steve Brains

        Dressing you up and displaying arm candy like you would sure be a treat. imagine My friends astonishment when you displayed your wit and cognitive abilities on hot button issues like school lunches, appropriate pay and attire for cheerleaders in professional sports and a woman running the Government with female Speakers and Majority Leaders to back her..

      • Sandy Greer

        Barlow-Brains and Heart are done.

        Sour grapes the leavings on table.

      • Steve Brains

        Sorry. If your avatar wasnt’ so BLATENTLY A WEDDING RING, i would be less inclined to think of you as a debutante`.

      • ziggywiggy

        carcass= The dead body of an animal, especially one slaughtered for food. 2. The body of a human.
        He did not directly say make them carcasses…not my point. He inferred that if he didn’t get what he wants the people he listed should be “carcasses”

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ted wants to EAT Barack?

        Without a DIRECT threat, there IS no threat.

    • Sick of Ted

      Why not just ask him directly what he means? I’m sure we will get an earful and possibly what is needed to haul his ass off to jail.

      • Steve Brains

        I wouldn’t speak to him through a 10 foot pipe.

  • Thomas

    Pathetic Mr. Leibowitz doesn’t comprehend very well what he reads. He also can’t make up his mind what he should call himself. Please refrain from calling him a comedian. He’s not even funny.

  • rejectrepublicanlies

    He needs to be arrested, prosecuted and jailed for his numerous death threats.

  • Proud Liberal

    I remember Nugent stating in 2008 that he would leave the country if Barak Obama was elected POTUS. Why hasn’t he left ? Go, leave, keep your promise ! You lied to us Ted Nugent ! I just want to close by saying that I respect Ted Nugent’s rights to free speech and to own guns. I don’t respect him when he threatens ANY public official’s life. I would be very curious to see the diagnosis from a clinical psychologist on Ted Nugent’s mental health. I dare him to submit to an evaluation. I am taking a wild guess that the prognosis would probably not be in his favor.

    • Steve Brains

      Is Hannity still a new yorker? He vowed to leave over DeBlasio and taxes.

      • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

        he didn’t say when he was leaving,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        wish he would have keith olbermann on his show

    • gian keys LOVES shemale porn

      nugent didn’t say when,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
      sadly!

  • bobg

    More word salad from Mr. Nugent. As always dressed with bitterness and hatred.

  • LaylaW

    put them all in a pen and let them have their guns – as many as their bat shit crazy selves desire

  • Thomas Lee

    Piss on Ted and the NRA.

  • Eg Kbbs

    Where is the legal line that would make this incitement ? Threatening a public figure ? Abetting terrorism ?

    • Nemisis

      If he had added the words “bring me their” .

  • Potvin Dave

    that was NOT a direct threat. When you don’t understand what someone is saying, don’t make your own definition out of it. What he was saying in basic English is that all of the people he named are in for the same prize. More guns = less violence doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense, but numbers don’t lie. The point is, Our right as Americans to own a firearm is our protection from a government takeover. If you want to get in line and do as they say, be my guest. Myself, I’ll be blasting my way to freedom not walking blindly into slavery.

    • Eddie Higgins

      Do you have any idea how ignorant your rant sounds !

      • Potvin Dave

        Do you have any idea how little you matter to me?

  • Retiree

    I think we desperately need to cool down in this society. One of these days, some nut-job is going to take one of these reckless, unintentional threats and take some intentional action.

  • surfjac

    “Be the best American you can be.”
    Does that mean I have to shit and piss myself for the next month? Because if it does, I’ll never be the “best American” I can be, not for all the bullshit in mr. nugent’s head and that’s a lot of bullshit.

  • LAbradford

    You left out the fact that he’s also a convicted poacher.

  • William

    The ignorance of these comments and this article are sad and the exact reason this country is heading in a poor direction. When is the Era of hating conservatives and Republicans, and blindly following anything Democrat going to end? Hopefully no armed person breaks into your home or takes your car at gun point because then your opinion of owning a gun will change and you will probably even join the NBA

    • James Schroder

      I own a gun dipshit and I’m convinced that you and nugent and any NRA member is an enemy of the republic and should be treated as such.

    • Armymom06

      I can’t play basketball…but I already own a gun. I’m just not in love with it and I’m not going to buy it any “friends” because I can only shoot one gun at a time.

  • Nemisis

    I’m not say Nugget is right, or sane. I’m just not convinced he made a death threat.

  • Richard Mcgee

    If turd nugget was the man he thinks he is he should put his money where his mouth is and run for public office himself other than buying a sheriff’s appointment this guy is a douche nozzle

  • FD Brian

    nobody is taking away any guns, he wants you to think that because that creates revenue for the NRA.

  • BDPD

    Finally! I legit reason to throw this dangerous cretin in jail! Arrest him and charge him immediately. While they’re at it they can go after anyone else in the NRA who has threatened a public official. Lunatics!

  • Andy Tennant

    I could almost see the point of pro gun activists if what they were ranting about was actually true. They’re always accusing liberals of trying to take their guns away and I’ve yet to see any legislature like that at all. If you want to own guns don’t commit a felony it really is as simple as that

  • Michael Moore

    There’s one thing I want to know about. He clearly has racist, sexist and xenophobic beliefs, but he has always stood for Native American rights, says how he pays tribute to Hendrix and black blues artists, and even plays their songs in his concerts. What explains this obvious contradiction? (P.S. I’m not THE Michael Moore, and I can’t stand his films, because they can’t be trusted)

    • Jay Skinner

      Well I’m told Catholic priests do a lot of good in their community when their not busy diddling little boys. We should probably forgive Ted for his regressive beliefs since he likes to smoke the peace pipe with Indians.

  • Hank

    I see no threat. Can someone point out the threatening of Obama, besides his threat to Obama’s political career? I do not like Ted, but quit being soft. That is the true problem with America.

  • alkabalker

    Nugent is right! You lily liveried libs are the problem in America!

    • zaridan

      Yeah! …. yarrrrrr …you lily livered landlubbers … yarrrrrr …

      Wait, it’s not Talk Like a Pirate Day is it?

      • Avatar

        Now that is real hilarious.

    • Steve Brains

      How much alcohol did you have to drink to get such a jet black liver?

  • Cooper

    He’s certifiable. Even as a liberal, I find it hard to believe that most conservatives (except the most extreme and equally crazy) would endorse what this lunatic says. Then again, I might be overestimating the sanity of much of the republican party.

  • Karen Hayes

    Would it be against the law to advocate killing Ted Nugent?

    • Avatar

      Unfortunately yes.

      • Charles Vincent

        Yet people do so here regularly and nothing happens to them.

  • LG LeBlanc

    This is a guy who never served his country because he shit his pants, then told the recruiters he was gay during the Nam draft in 68..I need to tell you also that he was a rapist and had sex with under aged girls when he was in his 20’s as a rock star…. This freak is a vile piece of human trash and HE needs a bullet very soon!!.

  • Kirk Bruner

    This turd gives rock and roll a bad name. He never produced one decent note of music or had an original thought in his life. “Cat Scratch Fever”? What does that junk even mean? Meanwhile, what does it mean to “have their evil carcasses for traction back to it”? Back to what? WHAT IS THIS MORON TALKING ABOUT? I’m tired of this hostile redneck.

    • Steve Brains

      Stranglehold is EPIC!!

    • Avatar

      Yet there are banners hanging around in heavily redneck-infested areas that literally bestowed Nugent as legendary rocker.

  • Joel Ian

    Why haven’t the Secret Service or FBI INDICTED, JAILED, AND FINED THIS LUNATIC for his threatening rants? He incites all the racist crazies in the South to consider some violent and seditious crimes.

  • Kirk welch

    As a Liberal member of the NRA he embarrasses and disgusts me. I want to see him off the BoD and will cast my vote against him when the time comes.

  • Avatar

    If I scream death threat in same manner on TV toward, let say, Boehner, I’d be arrested the minutes after. These fuckwits who made death threats to our President didn’t even get to go jail for that. That is fuckin bullshit.

  • This hick cries about his family getting threatened.
    LOL
    Look at him, he threatened many people lives aside Obama and Hilary Clinton.
    Turd Nugget is racist.
    He hates Obama more because Obama is black.

  • allenels

    Ah, perhaps you could elucidate – why isn’t the man on his way to a heavily padded cell?

  • Martin Higgins

    Look at all the Shithouse Lawyers! You people are pathetic.

  • pam95650

    Why oh why are you giving Mr. Poopie Pants media time?

  • Keith G. Cooper

    I would love to see Ted Nugent marry Rush Limbaugh!!! They would make a perfect couple!

  • Robert Mcnair

    hey now,we cant be pickin on ted because we called george bad names.and i got the t shirt to prove it.

  • Adam

    He doesn’t threaten his life. Jesus Christ, you people are ridiculous. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out he was threatening those individuals’ agendas and not their lives. Personally, I’m liberal on many issues, including drugs, gay rights, and the wage gap, but I agree with this guy on gun rights. Why should people be forced to give up their weapons? What is the government so afraid of? I don’t get it.

  • Iwouldntliveinwichita4anything

    He couldn’t cut it as Alex Lifeson’s guitar tech.

  • Maco

    All of u people shouting to arrest Nugent should be down making citizen arrests on the hundreds of ferguson rioters for threatening the life of Missouri police officers. Or do they not have a big enough national “loud” ranging voice as the commenter below states in his post.

  • 46RayCharles2

    Anyone… who listen to Ted Nugent should do whatever he request of them, because, that’s what germ carrying rats do.

  • soma151

    you pick like 1 min of stuff he says in a 2 hour interview? Who point you trying to get across? You are just as bad as Ted

  • Mudhooks

    Not to mention that Lott has been completely discredited and admitted he just made his “more guns = less crime” “study” up as he went along.

  • Connie Sode

    See this is what I don’t get……..Conservatives like Uncle Ted (who at this point in his life should be put in a straight jacket and allowed only to drink out of a straw) constantly banter about how God wants us to do this and God wants us to do that and then they start bashing those people who are striving to live like Jesus and practice peace and love for all their brothers and sisters. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. You are either with Jesus or you are against Jesus. It’s your path to choose. Just quit with your hypocrisy! Jesus would not do this!

  • Bob Mraz

    Stop playin with this dirtbag ,enough is enough! Audit,finance investigation ,permit inquiry,HELL put him oh a No-Fly list ! Wants to play with the big dogs OK!!

  • PastorGC

    LOL…name-calling is sooooo much more mature than Nugent…RIGHT!

  • Thomas Lee

    Piss on Ted and the NRA.

  • Arthur C. Hurwitz

    Isn’t inciting to assassinate the President of the United States a crime? Why hasn’t he been arrested and charged?

  • disqus_bFXHHP3bse

    I think about both sides of an issue before making up my mind. I cannot think of a good reason for law abiding citizens to give up their gun rights. Can someone please explain to me why they believe this to be a good idea?

  • MontieR

    Good grief you are as sick as Pelosi and just as braindead. There was NO threat in that statement. You people manufacture more trouble than truthfully exists.

  • Arthur Longeno Pavis Jr

    LOL “president” Barack Hussein Obama is a liar, he hates this country and our Constitution. The economy has not recovered and the national debt is over $17 trillion and growing. You liberal freaks are ignorant and have no clue about what’s important or relevant. What are your issues? Legalized pot, Homosexual “marriage”, “income inequality”BS, open boarders, phony racism, phony “war on women”, more failed government programs, killing the energy and fuel industries, higher taxes that keep millions in poverty, GFY!

  • rick marlar

    Its a damn shame this fool Clifton can,t understand what he reads, to equate the word ,destroy with killing shows how stupid this man really is. Mr Clifton my friends and I will destroy Forward Progressives, now run away and piss your panties

  • AssamedOfWhatThisCountryHasBec

    wow i can’t believe how you people are on here. for one he did not say he was going to kill obama. this site is just like all of the other left media out there. using half truths etc.
    i used to be a dem, but then i started watching real news agencies not msnbc, or reading the huffington post, etc…..
    if you people knew anything about the real NRA or any thing going on politically that isn’t tainted by our government you would see thru the fog.
    The truth is our government lies to us all the time, it’s not because of being a dem or a rep. they do it to protect their lively hood. politics is a career now. wake up. you have to choose which of the less evil is going to run us.
    you want to start somewhere on finding the truths our watch waco a new revelation, then study about lybia and the real reason we funded the rebels there, then go all the way thru to isis and why hillary clinton for years refused to list them as terrorist. why because if they were listed as terrorists, we couldn’t give them money to help us. now like all terrorist that we have supplied have turned against us!

    What this country needs is to return to the principles of the founding fathers. our bill of rights, which also states freedom of religion and not freedom from religion! this is another thing the lefts have turned. the atheist groups wanting god taken out of the pledge of allegiance,etc… or the vet forced to take down the American flag because it might offend some Muslim. kids can’t have a flag on their shirt during cinco de mayo, or have to rename the red skins football team!

  • Scooter Livingston

    When one of Nugent’s fans start up about hoe Ted is being persecuted….remind that person about The Dixie Chicks….

  • Grand1

    There is no threat anywhere in that screed. Stop trying to get people to subscribe.

  • Robert Randolph

    Did any of you morons read what Nugent said? He said “destroy their propaganda against our right to self defense”! Yes he included their names but he never said to kill anyone. Y’all are ignorant!