Tennessee Lawmaker: Child Being Hit With Stray Bullet Is Just An Act of God (Video)

glen-casadaDealing with gun nuts easily ranks near the top of my list as one of the most frustrating things I have to endure. I would much rather deal with a religious fanatic for 12 hours than a gun nut for even 15 minutes. While both groups of people are often completely ridiculous, the stupidity it takes to honestly believe that a gun and a spoon are equally as dangerous is astounding. Not to say that believing the Earth is 6,000 years old doesn’t take a certain level of idiocy as well, but at least creationists aren’t responsible for 8-10k deaths in the U.S. every year.


Though don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying all gun enthusiasts are crazy, either. One of my good friends is rather fond of guns and even he thinks open carry is dumb and people should be required to be licensed before being allowed to carry a gun in public. And this is a guy who just spent $1,800 on a shotgun and admits he doesn’t feel normal unless he has his concealed handgun on him at all times. So it’s not as if he’s someone who’s anti-gun at all – he just happens to possess a little common sense when it comes to who should carry them and how they should be carried.

Well, in Tennessee there’s currently a push by the state legislature to allow guns in state parks. Prior to an NRA convention in Nashville, state Rep. Glen Casada was questioned about this push in his state and what he would think about a child being struck and killed by a stray bullet while playing in one of these parks.

His answer? If that were to happen, those would just be “acts of God.” He also went on to suggest that a child is just as likely to get killed in a bicycle accident as they are by a gun, claiming that if a gun is “used properly” it’s no more dangerous than a bike.

These are the sorts of comments that make it nearly impossible for me to show even the slightest bit of respect toward these types of people. Using the “logic” that a gun isn’t dangerous unless used improperly, one could say the same thing about a nuclear weapon or a tank. Heck, by that “logic” almost nothing is dangerous as long as it’s used properly.

But the problem is, guns often aren’t used properly. Between 8-10K Americans die each year due to gun violence, with many more committing suicide by using a gun and countless others being wounded by them. And while these gun fanatics often say that “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” I’ve yet to have a single one of them explain to me how to spot a “bad guy with a gun” prior to them opening fire. Not only that, but how often do we really ever hear about some “good guy with a gun” stopping a “bad guy”? I live in gun-loving Texas and I rarely hear about any “good guy with a gun” stopping a “bad guy.” It happens, but it doesn’t happen nearly as often as terrible accidents and other tragedies involving guns.

This is one of the biggest problems in this country when it comes to guns. It’s not that we’re allowed to own them, it’s that the entire debate has been hijacked by gun fanatics and the NRA to such a point that we can’t even have a rational discussion about them. Thousands of people die every year due to gun violence and these clowns will look at you with a straight face and tell you that guns have nothing to do with gun violence – despite the fact that countries with much stricter gun laws have a fraction of the gun violence that we have.


If the saying “more guns make us safer” were actually true, we’d be the safest country in the world – but we’re not. In fact, reality shows us that the fewer guns a country has, the safer those citizens are from falling victim to gun violence.

But as long as we continue to have idiots like Tennessee state Rep. Glen Casada acting as nothing but paid shills for the NRA and big gun manufacturers, we’re never going to get anywhere in this country when it comes to finding real solutions to our rampant problem with gun violence.

Watch the video below via TNReport.com (the discussion about accidents and “acts of God” begins around 12:30):





Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Charles Vincent

    “but at least creationists aren’t responsible for 8-10k deaths in the U.S. every year.”

    Guns aren’t responsible for that people are you pontificating moron.

    • Howard Sands

      People with guns are.

      • Charles Vincent

        Guns are inanimate object they only kill because people use them to kill. Keep crying please, your ignorant tears fuel my happiness machine.

      • Rob Bailey

        Please be careful cleaning your penis substitutes, Chuckie. You have real entertainment value for many of us. I don’t use the ‘R’ word anymore, but in your case I may make an exception.

      • Charles Vincent

        Oooo lookie its a hopolophobe with no higher brain functions how adorable.

      • Just a person

        It is sad that people who believe themselves to be of higher intelligence are fearful of inanimate objects. Much the same as our ancestors feared everything because they all had spirits in them.

      • Charles Vincent

        I think its just plain laziness.

      • ClemCadidlhoper

        Is there any real purpose for a gun other than killing? But, it really isn’t about the inanimate objects; it’s about making it harder for those who would shoot someone because of a disagreement, or some children in a school. There is no perfect gun control law, but the emphasis here needs to be on making people safer and not on an idiotic argument about whether the gun or the person with a gun shoots people!

      • Charles Vincent

        You still can’t grasp that people are the problem can you? For example James Holmes passed several back ground checks as did Jared lough near and the kid that shot up the school last year. You are stupid if you can’t see the violence problem is inherent to the human condition the weapon of choice is a tool nothing more. This is why it’s the guy pulling the trigger that’s in the jail and not the weapon he used, please learn to think critically and rationally.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Charles just likes to babble on about people being the problem but he has no solution as to how best to help people and has no care about ever addressing a healthcare system and education system that do nothing to help at-risk children or people. He is just arguing to argue. He also can’t tell you why it is more prevalent in the US than in other developed countries that have strict gun laws

      • Howard Sands

        If there was such an award as most obvious statement, you would receive that. Along with most obnoxious person.
        I think we all know that guns are inanimate objects. Like Skynyrd says:
        handguns are made for killing, they ain’t no good for nothing else.
        You do realize in your limited right wing mentality, that bad people can’t do much harm without a weapon. Right.

      • Charles Vincent

        “Like Skynyrd says:
        handguns are made for killing, they ain’t no good for nothing else.”

        Appeal to false authority.

        “I think we all know that guns are inanimate objects.”
        Then answer this do inanimate objects have any will of their own? and have you ever seen a firearm let itself out of a gun cabinet/safe walk out the door into the street and shoot people all by its self?

        Personally I find people like you to be foul and obnoxious because you think you can just sell others rights down the road because a statistically insignificant group of people does bad things.

      • Howard Sands

        Let it be known that the blowhard known as Charles Vincent thinks that we are selling peoples’ rights down the road when we want to keep guns out of the wrong hands. I’m sure that gun nuts like you, as part of the GOP, are steadfastly against abortion rights. but you don’t lift a finger to keep small children from getting killed by handguns. I have an idea. get a hobby that doesn’t put a child in danger. How about stamp collecting?

      • Charles Vincent

        “I’m sure that gun nuts like you, as part of the GOP, are steadfastly against abortion rights.”
        Strawman argument in the form of a hasty generalization.

        “but you don’t lift a finger to keep small children from getting killed by handguns.”
        Moral high ground fallacy.

        1994-2004 AWB banning a whole class of firearms = unconstitutional per DC v Heller and DC v Palmer. Moreover according to the DOJ it had no effect on “gun violence”.

        The firearms registries in Connecticut and a few other states are directly in violation of federal laws established in 1986 under FOPA.

        In fact every gun-control scheme foisted on the public has had no effect on denying criminals access to weapons. But they have infringed on the rights of many law abiding citizens to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms.

      • Howard Sands

        Its obvious that to keep innocents from dying, we have to change the way people think. When there are people like you who think its a BAD thing to make it harder to get guns, because you constantly mention a misunderstood constitutional right, we know there’s a lot of work to do. You may want to look at the first sentence of your “constitutional right” and tell me what the first words are. And then tell me if this amendment was intended for the general public.
        Your claim that people’s rights have been infringed upon in an attempt to keep guns out of the wrong hands. Just how does that happen?

      • Charles Vincent

        It’s a bad thing because it doesn’t solve the problem guns don’t cause violence people do. This is provable by looking at the history of the human race. People like you are akin to doctors the treat the symptom rather than the disease.

        The first part of the second amendment is the perfatory clause and does not change the scope of the second part, the operative clause please go back to school and learn English.

        Furthermore both the heller and Palmer SCOTUS cases confirm that the second amendment is an individual right not dependent on membership in a militia. You need to stop drinking the koolaide.

      • Howard Sands

        Riiiight. Except that dangerous people with guns are more dangerous than without guns. Somehow that logic escapes you.

      • Charles Vincent

        Not true at close range a knife is more dangerous due to reactionary gap. this space is 21 feet.

        http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/mike-mcdaniel/knives-vs-guns-deadly-distance/

        http://www.cji.edu/site/assets/files/1921/actionversusreaction.pdf

        This would be true of any melee weapon type you really need to do better research.

        http://www.your-krav-maga-expert.com/gun-vs-knife.html

      • Howard Sands

        Since you’re obviously not being serious about this discussion, I will end it now.

      • Charles Vincent

        http://moderncombatandsurvival.com/featured/tactical-firearms-training-vs-a-knife/
        read the links even the fbi an police teach this because knives are deadlier than guns its a sad fact that blows your fake narrative out of the water.

      • Howard Sands

        There is truly something wrong with someone who thinks that a person with a knife can do as much damage as a gun. Sandy Hook mean anything to you? How about Kennedy’s assassination? The attempt on Reagan’s life, etc. Do you really think that a knife could have been used with the same deadly effect?
        I would love it if people actually thought like you do, that knives are more dangerous than guns. More knives and less guns means less mass deaths at the hands of maniacs.

      • Charles Vincent

        “Sandy Hook mean anything to you?”
        “A 16-year-old boy was charged Wednesday after he allegedly stabbed
        21 students and an adult — leaving four seriously injured — during an
        early-morning attack at a high school near Pittsburgh, authorities said “.
        . .

        “How about Kennedy’s assassination?”

        This was a long range shot and not representative of the facts I linked.

        “The attempt on Reagan’s life,”

        Reagan’s attacker was unknown and he could have easily stabbed Reagan 10 or more times before the secret service people could have responded and likely could have killed Reagan. i suggest you watch the video it takes them about 10 seconds to react to the shooting and as one link I provided a knife makes no sound so Hinkely would have likely had more time to do damage.

        “that knives are more dangerous than guns. More knives and less guns means less mass deaths at the hands of maniacs.”

        A few things here, knives are deadly up close which is how most confrontations are happening this is also provided in one of the links. as to less fatalities that’s wrong too according to the FBI statistics;
        “According to FBI fatality stats from officers killed in a fight, 10% of those who were shot died from their wounds.
        But 30% of those who were attacked with a knife were killed as a result of being cut and stabbed.”

        Moreover again you’re trying to make correlation equal causation where non exists. you simply refuse to acknowledge facts because they go against your gun-grabber narrative.

      • Howard Sands

        Thanks for inadvertently making my point for me by saying that 4 of the 21 people stabbed were seriously injured. As horrible as that is, I’m at least thankful that it wasn’t a gun that was used. How about you? More than 4 would have been injured. And its likely that many would have died. Do you honestly think these kids would have been better off if a gun was used instead of a knife? You gun apologists are very perplexing to me.

      • Charles Vincent

        Its one outcome, one is not representative of every outcome one example doesn’t mean they all turn out that way please stop ignoring how science works to suit your own ends

        I don’t know how it would turn out and neither do you. do yourself a favor and stay away from supposition. I think an armed response immediatlew would end an active shooter situation there are many examples of this and a few in recent news.

      • Howard Sands

        So you use an example to further your belief.
        And then when I call you on it, you say that one example doesn’t mean they all turn out that way.
        We can go around and around like this.
        I suggest you find someone else to sell your love of firearms to. I’m done.

      • Charles Vincent

        No you’re trying to say one example represents all possible outcomes this is not true.

        You want to leave because you have no facts to back your position so now you resort to ad lapidem. Good luck being willfully ignorant.

      • Charles Vincent

        You’ve said I am done before I didn’t believe you then and I don’t believe you now. Your problem is you are a one dimensional thinker in a three dimensional world that requires three dimensional thinking.

      • ronwhite99

        I always enjoy how you only use gov’t stats if they agree with whatever nonsense you are spewing in the moment the rest of the time you state they are wrong…why is that Charlie?

      • Charles Vincent

        ad lapidem nonsense

      • Charles Vincent

        1. Knives Are Deadlier

        Yes, you read that right…

        According to FBI fatality stats from officers killed in a fight, 10% of those who were shot died from their wounds.

        But 30% of those who were attacked with a knife were killed as a result of being cut and stabbed.

        2. Knives Don’t Have A Line Of Fire

        A gun can only kill you if you’re in the direct line of the path of the bullet.

        That also explains why , even in ranges as close as 3′-6′, only about
        1 in 4 bullets actually hit the target – and these stats are from
        trained police officers!

        But knives can do lethal damage from any angle and they don’t miss their target.

        3. Knives Don’t Run Out Of Ammo

        In a close quarters attack, you could be stabbed 3-5 times in a single second.

        A handgun is only going to give you about 15 rounds or so (on the high end).

        Unless you’re behind cover or at a distance far enough to give you some time to reload, that’s all you’re going to get.

        And FBI stats also reveal that only 1 in 4 bullets ever hit their mark – even at ranges as close as 3′.

        Considering that it may take several rounds to finally stop an
        attacker, you may find your clip empty and still facing an enraged thug
        with a knife that’s not running out of metal.

        4. Knives Take No Skill To Use

        Since we were young, holding and cutting with a knife has been built into our natural abilities.

        While it takes lots and lots of training to become an expert with a
        firearm, any scumbag with a pointy piece of metal can wield a blade like
        a master with even the crudest of movements.

        Consider also that most gun owners who go to the range are practicing “target shooting” and aren’t prepared for how to shoot in a real close-quarters gunfight.

        5. Knives Give Little Warning

        Not only can knives be concealed and drawn easier than a firearm, but they’re silent killers.

        When a gun is fired, you know you’re in a gunfight.

        However, many victims in a knife attack claim they didn’t even know they were being stabbed until it was too late.

        When under the influence of the adrenaline rush of a real attack, you
        may in fact not feel yourself being cut and mistake it for simply being
        punched.

        Are YOU Training The Right Way For The Right Attack?

        Now the purpose of this article isn’t to convince you to give up Ol’ Betsy for a pocket knife as your main defense weapon.

        I’ll still stick with my trusty Glock 19 at my side any day.

        But do you really think some scumbag with a knife is going to whip
        out his blade from 15 yards away and give you time to draw your weapon
        and get your sights on his center mass before he’s charging your way?

        Hell no!

        A desperate criminal is going to already be right up in your face –
        where he knows he can cut you – before you even know your life is in
        danger.

        That doesn’t give you a whole lot of room or time to draw your weapon
        – especially when it’s already concealed and your heart’s racing.

        Yet 95% of the guys I see down at the range still expend all their
        rounds trying to get super tight shot groups from 15′-50′ away when real gunfights actually take place less than 9′ away!

        You know it’s true.

        So don’t find out the hard way that you were training all wrong for the wrong threat.

        Train for close quarters gunfights rather than “target practice” and
        you’ll greatly increase your chances of saving your life – or the life
        of someone you love – if you’re ever attacked.

      • ronwhite99

        wrong again Chuck

      • Charles Vincent

        ahh a science denier.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Well said Howard

      • Just a person

        Surely you recognize that there are many weapons including fists, fingers, feet as well as other objects not attached to the human body besides the appointed “boogeyman” (Firearms).

        Irresponsibility and discourtesy are the problems which need to be addressed.

        FactCheck.org – Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts

        http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        You do realize that since Reagan took office there have been more than 1 Million people in the US that have died directly through the use of a firearm, don’t you? If the other means you mention are also such a huge problem, how many have died due to them?

      • Just a person

        You do realize that one does not need a firearm to be killed by one? Taking figures at random is not proof of causality, or have the guidelines for empirical research , qualitative and quantitative analysis been revised?

        You, of course, are aware that “gun control” on these continents has a deep rooted history in oppression of minorities.

        GUN CONTROL AND RACISM | Equal Gun Rights

        equalgunrights.com/gun-control-and-racism

        Mr. Bloomberg even let his racist views shine through in Colorado.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Talk in circles much? How many people have been killed by fists and fingers since you keep whining here….. Are we near the 1 Million over the past 30 years? Try really hard to figure this out….. Point to me the statistics showing death by finger is close to death by firearm. Thanks

      • Just a person

        Name one person who was killed BY a firearm not with one by person.Take all the time you need. You can go back 100 lustrum if you wish.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist
      • Just a person

        Nice attempt, Did you miss the part “when he dropped the pistol and it went off.”

        Or perhaps you missed the part “The shooting is still under investigation.”

        It is almost a joke in the Bronx how many “gun cleaners” come into the ERs there.

        Unlike “Sighuntists”, being a scientist (Chemist), I am not given to premature conclusions and tend more towards reasoning driven conclusions and not so much towards emotion driven speculation.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Go ahead and show me where someone who dropped a spoon was killed by it. Obviously all inanimate objects are the same in your pee-brain and not dangerous at all. I’ll be waiting.

      • Just a person

        You are too emotional to engage in civil discourse. This is lack of civility and courtesy is more of a problem than firearms.

        Ad hominem statements are not useful in determining courses of action but only courses of reaction. These types of statements are the same type used to criminalize drugs and at one time alcohol.

        It is difficult to give weight to hysteria fueled clamor for more restrictions on firearms. Much the same as it is difficult to reason with someone during any period of emotional turmoil. For example, when one suffers the death of a loved one, it is generally accepted guideline to postpone any major life decisions for a period of one year.

        The fact remains as steadfast as it has always been that people are responsible for violence not any given object. That stated may I suggest you consider the following:

        Report:

        Poll: Americans Incorrectly Believe Gun Crime on Rise – US …

        http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/05/07/poll-americans...

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        On the contrary, you appear to be the emotional one here. I’m asking for simple proof that all inanimate objects are the same, which is exactly what you are claiming, and you are unable to provide me any evidence. Until such time as you are able to back up your claim, in the words of Bill O’reilly, “just shut up”. Thanks

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        If all inanimate objects are created equal, as you claim since they are all equally dangerous, why do you need a license to own a gun and not a spoon? And why don’t you just carry a spoon around to defend yourself when you are in one of your terrified states of mind?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        and still waiting…

      • Just a person

        Do not wish to address the racism claim I made? Why not Walter?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        A. Stop fantasizing that my name is Walter.

        B. why are you addressing something from 5 days ago?

        I’m flattered you are so obsessed with me…kind of creepy though

      • Just a person

        I finally looked at your comment. Nice averting my question on racism though.

        Are you saying this isn’t you?

        Walter Mitty | fictional character | Encyclopedia Britannica

        http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/386355

        Sure seems like you.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        are you referring to how gun OWNERSHIP and racist attitudes are linked? Here’s an interesting study, and one done much more recently:

        http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0077552

      • Just a person

        No I was not I was very clear in my statement that “gun control” on these continents has a history of racism. I still await your refutation of my assertion.

        Id i read the article noting that it was replete with supposition and speculation. Ever the case in Psychology I notice. Having read the entire article which was written by an author with a foregone conclusion it seems. If you can locate a true scientific study and not one written by a psychologist whose entire field of study I view as no more closely related to my beloved Chemistry than Astrology in reference to a science.I also could not fail to notice it was written and conducted by an Australian.)

        I must say that if you cite an opinion piece such as this one at least be sure it cites historic examples to disprove my assertions.

        For full disclosure I am employed as a Chemical Engineer. I lead a team of nine (9) including myself. (I must also disclose that my boss would agree with your statement that “millennials are exhausting”. I often do draw the conclusions he would prefer because of my “purist” attitude.)

        The same thing here An inanimate object is not what needs to be controlled it is people who must interact with the object that need to be changed.
        Consider that in the US we have tried to stem violence by “Prohibition” of alcohol. This did not workout so well.

        After that incredibly failed attempt, we attempted to control violence by prohibiting drugs. Another incredible failure.

        Perhaps we should focus on human beings. Timothy McVey did not use a firearm. Aum Shinrikyo did not use firearms.(You are aware that the components for manufacture of Sarin gas as well as the gas itself is intensely controlled, correct?) The so called 7/7 attacks in London did not use firearms.The Bath school disaster is the worst school massacre in US history-no firearms involved.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I respect your background and your thorough response here, and I’m extremely glad you brought up the Sarin incident in Japan as Japan is a perfect example of what can happen when nobody owns guns. Any idea of the annual death rate by guns is there? Maybe 2-20 or so annually. And when it hits 20s it is a HUGE deal. As someone who lived there for 3 years directly after the Sarin attack to the Subway in the mid 90s by those cooks, and an ex-wife who is Japanese, I can say unequivocally, Japan is one of the safest places to live on the planet. No guns equals very very very few shooting deaths and a violent crime rate that is extremely low. I am here to tell you, you would not be able to own a gun there, period. The police do not carry guns, and believe it or not, there are no accidental shootings by police officers.

        I also have spent the last 20+ years on active duty in the US Army in charge of men. Often violent men. As an institution, we are about mitigation of risk. We also train with weapons continually, so there is little doubt how we will act when the time comes. But humans make mistakes. Humans have bad days, months, years. We also have very strict guidelines and background checks of everyone who handles and accounts for weapons and ammunition. We also account for all weapons very frequently and have leaders who are constantly assessing the mental states of their Soldiers. There are zero checks on Joe six-pack, crazy Larry in Aurora, or very few others in the US. Doing nothing to protect our children and society is, in my opinion, irresponsible. And just ignoring the repeated incidents and hoping that adding more and more weapons into this society is just foolish.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        and just as additional background, I spent the first 26 years of my life in small towns in western states of the US. My family and I always had guns around the house. 12 guage, 45 pistol, 30/30, 9mm, multiple 22s….it not lilke I don’t have a certain comfort level with weapons. I just don’t see the need to have them. there is nothing romantic about them and there is nothing good that can come from something designed only to kill.

        I get the 2nd amend argument, as long as the first part of the amendment is read and interpreted the way it was designed when it was written. If we no longer need these things to form a well regulated militia, I see very little use for them in a 1st world society.

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      dodge the topic much?

      • Charles Vincent

        Yes just like knive and blunt instruments do none of which have any ability to resist the person using them to commit murder. Try again chief.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        would you say that knives and blunt objects are more likely to, and have caused more deaths in our society today than guns? If so, you should learn to read little fella. I get it, you just choose to bury your tiny head in the sand and pretend there is no problem and no solution.

      • Charles Vincent

        That is non sequitur. Correlation isn’t causation chief. people were killing each other before guns were invented. Moreover there is a reason people sit in the defendants chair and not the weapon they used to commit the murder. You lack the basic cognitive skills needed to comprehend the cause of violent behavior.

        “pretend there is no problem and no solution.”

        There it is the stupidest thing I have seen today. Congratulations moron here is your sign.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I bet you are a real big fan of the blue collar comedy tour…. you must be a writer for it because your defense is ridiculous. Weren’t you the moron bringing up the “blunt object and knives” dodge and deflect? You obviously lack the cognitive skills to recognize that making it easier for violent people to kill and dismember with guns might be a problem. You are obviously a moron who thinks that arming more people in a violent society is a great answer to violence. You, my little fella, are a total nitwit. Enjoy your idiocy because I sure do.

      • Charles Vincent

        Awe if you had more than two fully functioning brain cells you would know that guns aren’t the problem and never have been. Why you ask. Simple really people were killing eachother before guns were invented and they will continue to do so with any weapon they choose. Your tiny view of things prevents you and others like you from seeing this fact.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        yeah, my tiny view…like 20+ years in the US Army and 10 years spent overseas including combat zones…. guess again doosh

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s irrelevant you still don’t get that your weapons don’t kill any thing unless you use them. They don’t have legs and they don’t shoot themselves GG for proving my point

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        again, you fail to recognize the role that weapons play in the deaths of innocent people. Way to change the subject again.

      • Charles Vincent

        Still barking up the wrong tree weapons only do what the user wants them to do they are nothing more than a tool.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        yeah, like randomly spraying bullets….if you take this ability away to randomly spray bullets, less people will die. Period. If you take away the ability to shoot from a distance and not confront the person, less people will die. If you take away the ability to fire multiple shots at any one person, the odds of living are far greater. Only a total loony toon righty doesn’t understand this simple fact.
        I don’t dismiss that this country is full of loonies like you who need mental help, but when was the last time a right winger wanted to do anything about helping or identifying these lunatics? Ignorant righties think the solution is just adding more weapons and somehow magically everything will get better. Well, hasn’t worked yet, so now what? More and more? DA…

      • Charles Vincent

        Here the thing you can’t abridge any citizens constitutional right period you don’t get to thwart people’s rights because a statistically insignificant group of people do bad things with guns. So suck it up and move along you’re done here.

        On the contrary I want to mitigate violence I just don’t want to piss all over people’s rights to do it. Moreover I want to treat the problem by learning what the causes of violent behavior are so we can treat the actual problem not something that has nothing to do with the problem. You know treat the disease not the symptoms.

        Here’s the deal chief for 25 years overall violent crime and violent crime involving the use of firearms has been declining according to the fbi violent crime statistics, and during the same period gun ownership is increasing.

        My suggestion to yours to pull your head out of your ass and learn what the real problem is.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Period…really…lol…..where were you when the PATRIOT act was jammed down the throats of Americans? Why weren’t you taking up arms against your president then? How may constitutional freedoms did you lose that day? Care to take a guess little guy? You could care less about the constitution or you just only pay attention to one amendment. More than 1 Million have died by gunshot in the US since Raygun took office. Fact. I still have yet to find a spoon death outbreak but I’m sure you will point it out when you find it. You are done here DA.

      • Charles Vincent

        I was voting my state senator and house rep out of office.

        Interesting note that the politicians used fear to get it(the patriot act) done much like the anti gunners use fear to try and infringe on the 2nd amendment.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Yeah, voted out one nutjob only to vote in a more extreme nutjob, right? Or let me guess, you are posing as a swing voter today? Tell me you voted Democrat….really, and maybe I’ll believe you aren’t a total loon

      • Charles Vincent

        Actually I generally vote third party. In fact last election I wrote in Mickey mouse because that fictional character could have run this country better than Romney or Obama.

      • Just a person

        Walter, may I call you Walter or must I call you Mr. Mitty?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        you and Charles seem to post at very similar times on the same days…hmmm… do you vote Mickey Mouse and 3rd party too? lol

      • Just a person

        Be happy to answer but first tell me, do you imagine you are very clever with your screen name? I think you are very creative for an adolescent.
        Do not be overly concerned about your emotional turmoil, it will pass.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I take it that you believe in 1st century mythology….Keep waiting and hoping for the world to end like the rest of the crazies do. Just please don’t go all Jim Jones on your family when it comes time for your dommsday predictions. And enjoy riding around on your dinosaurs

      • Just a person

        Why is that? Is it because I do not think you are so clever? It is okay young man, when you grow up you will realize that things you believed were so “cool” were just silly.
        That you allow the postings of some anonymous woman on the internet make you so upset does not speak well of your stability.
        You demonstrate quite a bit of animus when you imagine that someone may not agree with you on any given subject and in especial when your “Walter Mitty” fantasies are challenged.
        Please remember as you grow older you will learn few people like the things you do, few will agree with you on everything you do but nothing is quite as important as you being okay with what you believe and do.
        Godspeed on your growth and maturity young man. (One day you will be.)
        Apologies, could not resist the “Godspeed”.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        whatever fantasy lets you sleep at night is ok with me. A lot of people have imaginary friends…. BTW, I have no idea who your Walter Mitty fantasy is, but again, whatever lets you sleep…. Hopefully some “demon possessed” little girl or old lady doesn’t scare you tonight. I never could figure out why you crazies are so scared of an imaginary “Devil” that only possesses people that can’t hurt anyone, but again, nothing you believe in really makes any sense at all.

        I hope you realize before you expire that you wasted a lot of time and mental energy attempting to please a myth, and try reality instead. Really, it’s nice. I promise.

      • Just a person

        Pardon the pun. What in the Devil are you talking about?
        First young man, I do not believe in the Devil, I do not believe in the Tooth Fairy either. That is probably why I spend so little time discussing them.

        I note that you pseudo intellectuals have a tendency to become fixated on things or people you say are of no importance and then spend an inordinate amount of time discussing them.

        It is quite funny that you imagine you know what I “believe’. But of course that is the way with the young, especially adolescents. You think you know more than you do. When you grow, if you do, you will find that you know less everyday even as you learn more.
        I note your use of the term “expire”. Too cute, that is a term people who are frightened of death have a tendency to use. I will die of that there is no doubt but I have no expiration date, that is on products as per government regulations.

        That Walter Mitty tells me of reality is bringing m,e to tears.Funny as hell.(Oh no I must believe in hell because I used an expression that uses that word.)

        An anonymous poster on the internet made me a promise. Wow, that is too delicious. Someday you may understand how ironic that is from a boy that claims does not believe in a myth.

        Please do not hesitate to share more of your thoughts with me.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        wow, you sure are worked up for an old person. lol…. you are seriously cracking me up right now. I love how unstable people, like yourself, have these delusions of adequacy. You hope beyond hope that you have some wisdom to pass on but really, you are just babbling. It’s sad really. But please, keep up this talking in circles you’ve got going right now. I really don’t know what to tell you other than, seek help. Quick. Don’t lie to yourself, you need it. I’m being serious here. Your family might miss you if you don’t step back from the edge.

        Wow….

      • Just a person

        I am sure thirty(30) seems old now, but it really is not, in fact it is not even “middle aged” by most views.
        I do not try to impart wisdom on young children.
        In fact other than entertainment when they are in places like Newtown, I have little use for anyone under twenty-one.
        The truth though is even then they are not as entertaining as the reaction from those emotionally charged people such as yourselves.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        well that explains it all. A 30 something with an inflated sense of self worth….. Don’t worry sweetie, it gets easier as you grow up. Seriously, you are just making even worse. omfg. Once you have some life experiences, let me know and we can talk. Oh, you millenials are exhausting…

      • Just a person

        Honey, now you want to pretend to be an older man? Please Walter. ” ofmg” ? What? Does this mean we will never be “BFFs”?

        Let me guess you are a super secret agent and next week President Obama is going to send you into Iran.
        Kill a kid or three for me while you are there. More guns=less kids= more room.
        I know you are really part of a “super secret organization” known only to the President.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        You are a special kind of crazy. Stop listening to the voices in your head. Quick.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Look out, the NSA drones are circling over your trailer right now.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        or maybe you are just drunk again. Please don’t post while drunk. You just sound stupid(er)

      • Just a person

        Isn’t there a country somewhere that needs your help Walter?
        Or maybe some supermodel waiting for a date with you?
        Go get them Mr. Mitty.

      • Just a person

        Perhaps you are unaware that voting is by “secret ballot” in the U.S.
        It is poor manners to ask someone for whom they voted,even if you know them personally. Which of course you do not have such familiar rapport with me.
        Once again the troglodyte peeks out.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        and so I take that my world-view isn’t as tiny as you’d hoped…. obviously your tiny town view is the problem here.

      • Charles Vincent

        You have a tiny view of the problem and one that is inaccurate that’s your problem not mine.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        you, my little fella have never lived in an emerging country with few laws where weapons are very easy to get and people die all of the time. I have. You have also never lived in a country where weapons are nearly impossible to get and a shooting incidents rarely if ever happens and homicide rates are infinitely lower than here. I have. Your problem is you believe inaccurate right wing propaganda.

      • Charles Vincent

        Here’s the thing chief I don’t care what you did or where you’ve been, you are an anonymous poster on and Internet blog site you can say you’re anything or lie about it so unless you want to front your DD-214′ you should just stick to facts that are provable here. Something you seem to be struggling with.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        btw, there is zero evidence that more guns = more safe. Go prove that little fella…..

      • Charles Vincent

        https://www.google.com/search?q=robber+gets+shot+by+home+owner+during+robbery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

        There is a laundry list of people safe because they had a firearm to repel the criminals who were breaking into their homes to steal and perhaps kill them.

        Here is another instance for good measure;

        http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        yeah, need a gun to protect yourself from a guy with gun. It’s the story that always ends in a shooting. Only in America.

      • Charles Vincent

        Criminals are generally armed chief. And I don’t think any of the victims were injured where as a solid percentage of the criminals were either wounded or killed. Your argument fails on many levels bruh.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Since you are portray to be military, why don’t Army, Navy, AF, Marines carry weapons on post all of the time, except the MPs or contracted police? And why can’t we/they keep them in their cars and drive onto post? What do you think the Military knows, practices and advocates that gun nuts don’t? If they are so safe and weapons aren’t a problem, what gives? Shouldn’t you be addressing or have already addressed your chain of command to ensure all Military members can keep weapons with them at all times if they feel the need since they can be in just as much danger as the average citizen at any given time.

        Maybe it’s a safety issue on base and against good order and discipline? Maybe they scare the old ladies and children on base and everyone would stop going to the NEX/PX? Accidental discharge? No, they aren’t dangerous….

      • Charles Vincent

        First off I don’t pretend to be military. I how every have relatives and friends who either are or were in the military.

        RE no arms on military bases
        The military didn’t institute that congress did an Bill Clinton signed it. Moreover it did not stop several mass shootings on military bases all of which to my knowledge happened after Clinton signed the law.

        Again it isn’t the tool that’s the problem it’s the people that use them.

        RE not dangerous
        This supposition is circular logic my hands are dangerous, in fact anything that can be used as a weapon is dangerous please don’t be asinine.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Sorry goofball, stop getting your “news” from Dooshy on Fox, Bush 1 signed that law…LOL. Oh, I love the Bill Clinton ruined everything defense. OMFG DoD directive 5210.56 signed in 1992 by GHW Bush.

        Buh bye

      • Charles Vincent

        A change in U.S. Army regulations
        issued in March 1993 (just two months after President Clinton assumed
        office) did affect the issue of personnel carrying firearms on military
        bases, but that change in regulations was issued by the Department of
        the Army and was not implemented by President Clinton via an executive
        order. Moreover, that change in regulations came about in response to a
        U.S. Department of Defense directive issued in February 1992, during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, and not at the sole behest of President Clinton
        Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/baseguns.asp#XqmQIdsRRFwT0sI0.99

      • Just a person

        Marines do not carry weapons. Marines are weapons.
        Walter Mitty is that you?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        you have a very delusional view of the world….congrats!

      • Just a person

        I have a delusional worldview? I was being humorous. That is the problem with people such as yourself, you have no humor. Perhaps because you cannot understand the difference between flora,fauna and inanimate objects.
        You wish to be a scientist but alas you do not have the necessary temperament. You imagine yourself to be a member of the intelligentsia, but in this also you are lacking.
        It is quite okay Mr. Mitty.

      • Howard Sands

        According to you, they would have been better off with a knife to repel the criminals. Or a spoon.

      • Charles Vincent

        Close up yes at a distance no. most violent encounters happen up close not at a distance i.e less than 21 feet.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        so go ahead and start the National Knife/Spoon Association, you just made great case for it! Now you can advocate trading guns for knives and spoons. Sounds like a great first step and we would be a safer country.

      • Charles Vincent

        You’re missing the point. Different tools have different applications for one, secondly its up to each individual to choose whats best for them and their needs not you or government or anyone else. Like I told Howard, you are a one dimensional thinker in a three dimensional world that requires three dimensional thinking.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        where is your spoon license?

      • Charles Vincent

        That’s the linear one dimensional thinking I was referring too and an example of you can believe what you want as long as it’s what I agree with, and the belief that government licensing fixes all problems.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        you are a classic case of GIGO. When you immerse yourself in right wing propaganda, this is what you get.

      • Charles Vincent

        Nice hasty generalization and still irrelevant. My ethos isn’t “right” wing it’s classically based on what the founders wrote in the constitution and declaration of independence and the people they borrowed from most notably Lord Blackstone, John Locke, and Thomas Hobbes. Again you’re displaying your propensity for one dimensional thinking and lack of any real critical thinking skills at any level.

      • ronwhite99

        right Chuck because what happened while America was ruled by a foreign monarchy is relevant to today…HOW?

      • Charles Vincent

        It’s completely relevant when understanding what they meant and how the constitution is to be interpreted.

      • Just a person

        Please sir. Do not descend to the level of the pathos fueled posters but rather stay with the more intelligent ethos and logos fueled posters.

      • Charles Vincent

        I try hard not to but alas I am only human.

      • Howard Sands

        As do I. In fact, said idiot made it known that he thinks knives are more dangerous than guns. If that was true, we would have people clamoring for knives to defend themselves. not guns.

      • Charles Vincent
      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        By the way, please point me to all of your known instances of a stray spoon or stray blunt object killing a child. Thanks

      • Charles Vincent

        Argumentum absurdum.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        that should be your middle name.

      • Charles Vincent

        When dealing with idiots like you who don’t understand what rational argumentation is yep and any othe logical fallacy you posit here.

      • Howard Sands

        Definitely the absurd part.

      • Just a person

        How did you put it? Yes, that is correct. “Google is your friend”

        QuickStats: Number of Deaths from 10 Leading Causes …
        http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6208a8.htm

        Top 10 most common murder weapons
        http://www.top10stop.com/lifestyle/top-10-most-common-murder-weapons

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        BWWAHAAAA…thanks for proving my point! LOLOLOL….
        Even the mental gymanstics from the random “top 10” site noting violent deaths, lists death by gun as the #1 even though they try to twist into something at the bottom by adding everything else together….. Not sure if you are arguing or on my side here, but thanks again for proving the point.
        Google is your friend…..lol…..SMH

  • OldCowboy

    One can always pray for a .45 cal “act of God” to strike Glen Casada

    • Howard Sands

      The fact that people like this exist makes it awful hard to believe that there even is a God.

  • disqus_kjRR32tL7n

    One can be killed by a spoon as well as with a gun. May not be as fast but you’ll be just as dead. Now Allen, who’s the IDIOT?

    • Howard Sands

      You are. I’ve never seen people kidnapped at spoonpoint, and I’ve never seen machine spoons that can kill many people at one time.

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      how many people died by “spoon” since Reagan was elected president? Because if it is less than 1 Million, your false equivalency makes even less sense….

    • GimmeSomeTruth

      I suppose if you’re a glutton and use a spoon to overindulge with killer foods. But it’s not the spoon that’s slowly killing you, but what’s in the spoon. You know, people say guns don’t kill people, it’s people with guns that kills people. Now, who’s the idiot?

  • GimmeSomeTruth

    Insanity. Although this is a hypothetical scenario, a Kentucky parents of a 5 years old boy bought him a “my first rifle” for his birthday. A real bullets shooting 22 caliber rifle made for children. Tragedy occurred and this boy accidentally shot his 2 year old sister to death. Ironically and saddening is the insanity that followed. This boy’s parents also claimed it was an act of God.

    • Howard Sands

      makes you wonder what kind of God they believe in.

  • BoiseBoy

    I believe that with rights come responsibilities, except when it comes to guns. Guns should be everywhere. There should be gun vending machines on every street corner. We need more guns in this country, not less.

    They should hand out free guns to people leaving jail and mental health facilities. Hospitals should give guns to every baby when they are born, in powder blue and Hello Kitty pink. That way they can defend themselves against older siblings who pick up the loaded guns their responsible gun owning parents leave lying around. /sarc

    • Paul Julian Gould

      What’s unutterably sad is that without the /sarc tag, that’s not all that different from what’s been put out there on the web by those that seemingly don’t have the sense to put their shoes on the correct feet.

    • Just a person

      Gee, and all my life I have heard we women are the emotional ones.
      I vote we go with your plan, but let us start by giving everyone a 25 to life sentence because some people do commit crimes . Sort of a “Minority Report” society.

      • BoiseBoy

        It was sarcasm…

      • Just a person

        I know I was mocking your estrogen driven post.

  • Tony Thompson

    He also went on to suggest that a child is just as likely to get killed in a bicycle accident as they are by a gun, claiming that if a gun is “used properly” it’s no more dangerous than a bike.

    He’s not thinking critically at all. A bicycle and a gun are nothing alike. The former is a method of transportation. The latter is a weapon designed for death and destruction. The U.S. is not facing an epidemic of fatalities that are the direct result of using a bicycle. The U.S. is facing an epidemic of gun violence that is the direct result of using a gun (which includes more than just people killed by guns).
    Also, when “used properly”, a gun *is* dangerous. They’re designed to kill things. That is inherent in their design and function.

    • Jim Bean

      Actually, what the U.S. is facing is an epidemic of gun violence in the black community and a wall of race-based protectionism put up by white liberals that’s prevents society from dealing with it.

      I’ve had my guns for sixty years and they’ve never misbehaved. Leave me out of it.

      • Tony Thompson

        You couldnt be more wrong if you tried. Bonus points for the added racism and whining about liberals.

      • Jim Bean
      • Tony Thompson

        Anything in there about the problem of white on white violence or white on black violence?

      • Jim Bean

        Left stream media seems to have that pretty well covered given the riots and demonstrations, etc. I’m looking for someone who wants to organize a protest over this stuff. Seems if it ain’t white on black, it ain’t interesting.

      • Just a person

        Why don’t you read it instead of asking someone else to do it for you?
        ** No silly questions about the links I provided for you?

      • Just a person

        Here is some facts on racism and gun control.
        Gun control is racism – NaturalNews.com
        http://www.naturalnews.com/038506_gun_control_racism_outrage.html
        Just something to consider. Also please note “Mayor” Bloomberg’s Colorado speech and his racist views on minorities.
        Mike Bloomberg: Disarm Young Black Males – Newsmax.com
        http://www.newsmax.com/US/bloomberg-black-men-guns/2015/02/08/id/623514

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        using “some facts” and then using Newsmax as a source makes you look EVEN MORE stupid…..I didn’t think it was possible but you did it..

      • Just a person

        The fact remains that “Mayor” Bloomberg said it.

      • Just a person

        And yet we are both posting on “progressivenews.com”?

    • Just a person

      Actually sir, gun violence has declined in recent years.
      Report: Robbery, Gun Crime On The Rise – CBS News
      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-robbery-gun-crime-on-the-rise

      • Tony Thompson

        Not relevant to my point. I never said gun violence is increasing.
        I said the U.S. has an epidemic of gun violence.

      • Just a person

        NO again. The US has an “epidemic” of violence.
        We tried removing alcohol to reduce violence. Failed.
        We tried prohibiting drugs to reduce violence. Failed.
        Let us try to deal with the root cause. The common denominator with all violence is? That is correct-people.

  • Jodi Cable-Presnell

    What is almost never mentioned in these debates is scientific factor. In this case, the science of psychology. There have been multiple and varied studies done all over the globe. When you place a gun in a human beings hand it instantly begins to alter his psyche. Unlike, say, martial arts, where a person requires usually years before gaining the ability to take another’s life or to gain the power over another, they have that ability instantaneously. And it alters the brain, often in a negative way, especially since that person hasn’t had years of learning control, responsibility, etc. That is not opinion, its not political, its not a matter of wishful thinking or propaganda. Its scientific fact.

    • Jim Bean

      It may be a scientific fact. There is, however, no evidence that this alleged psychological change however manifests itself in increased impulses to misuse the firearm. So, its an anecdotal factoid with no practical application.

    • Just a person

      Please. You are citing “Psychology” as a science? Psychology is no more a science that Tarot Card reading. Next you will be talking about “Political Science” The world’s most incredible oxymoron.(Politics which is synonymous with prevarication and Science which is synonymous with seeking truth.)
      Even if it were a science then it would be a theory not a law. So it would not be considered a “scientific fact”.
      Edification of science terminology. Evolution while generally accepted is a fact, a theory and a path. This is the way of science. We are very careful-thankfully. So please be careful (at least minimally ) when stating a “scientific fact”.

  • Creeayshun Sighuntist

    If Rep Casada thinks that bicycles are equally dangerous, does he think that convicted felons should not be able to own a bike? I would like to see him sponsor that bill in his state legislature if that is what he thinks. And then how will we know who is the “good guy on a bike”?

  • This guy’s a FOOL. It was ANYTHING but “an ACT OF GOD”. Politics or religious doctrine, these morons will believe ANYTHING!

  • Macdoodle

    Wasnt this another case of black on black violence?Seems this happens a lot.They miss their intended target and hit innocents.

  • Creeayshun Sighuntist

    So this whole “inanimate object” defense appears to be the most popular defense for idiots who want to ignore what guns have done to our society. If all inanimate objects are created equal and spoons are just as likely to kill someone, why don’t we have spoon licenses? And why are don’t risk assessments in the military take into account spoons and other objects of the like? I’ll be waiting…..