Texas High School Student Detained for ‘Terroristic Threat’ After Hit List Discovered

waxahachie+high+schoolSchool shootings are becoming all too common in this country. And no matter how many occur, or how many people die, we get nowhere on solutions because gun fanatics refuse to believe that guns have anything to do with gun violence. They claim it’s all mental health. Now, they’re partially correct; it’s clear that someone who’s mentally sound doesn’t use a gun to intentionally shoot or kill someone. Especially someone who plans a mass shooting at a school.


That being said, easy access to guns, the way we promote guns in our country and a combination of mental illness have proven to be a deadly mixture when it comes to gun violence in this country. That’s where the fallacy lies with these fools who simplify guns down to nothing more than “a tool no more deadly than a spoon.” They don’t understand that it’s not just about the guns themselves, but the culture they create. When we downplay how deadly and dangerous guns can be, we set up a society where millions of Americans are desensitized to the lethality of these weapons.

I can’t count how many times I’ve heard someone say, “Someone comes on my land, I’ll shoot the son of a b*tch.” As if trespassing should warrant the death penalty.

So it doesn’t come as any surprise to read about a high school student in Waxahachie, Texas (just a few miles from where I live) who was detained by police and charged with making a terroristic threat when it was discovered that he had created a “hit list” during class, which included 18 people he apparently had planned to kill. Not only that, but he had dates that went along with these names who were all students. Apparently these killings were set to begin in 2017 and stretch through 2026. Police say there’s no evidence of any further planning, but it’s clear this student (whose name was not released because they’re a minor) had to have been thinking about this prior to making this list.

And I can’t help but notice how close this incident is to the tragic shooting in Washington. It’s part of the reason why I almost wish we didn’t nationally report on these shootings. I think at times the coverage inspires those who might try to “copycat” these mass shootings.


Now it’s clear this student is most likely suffering from some kind of mental illness to even contemplate such a plan, even if it was unlikely that he would have ever carried out these killings. But I just can’t help but think to myself that if we didn’t glamorize the gun culture in this country, and downplay the extreme lethality of guns, we wouldn’t see people even contemplate committing such heinous crimes.

You can’t convince me that without guns, the people committing these monstrous school shootings would have still planned to kill people. There’s a reason why you never read headlines that say “20 people killed by a mass stabbing at local school.” Guns often empower people who are mentally ill to carry out horrific acts of violence that they otherwise might not consider doing. It’s much easier to take a life when all you have to do is pull a trigger versus using some kind of sharp object to brutally stab someone to death.

My real wish is that we could have a logical discussion about violence, especially gun violence in this country. But we obviously can’t, and sadly probably never will. There are people in this country who literally think guns have absolutely nothing to do with gun violence, and as long as those people think that, we’ll never be able to rationally address this issue.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Jim Bean

    The Amish all have guns. They all have schools. They have no school shootings perpetrated by Amish with guns.

    That is incontrovertible proof that there is no correlation between the availability of gun and the inclination to shoot someone with it.

    I’m sure they also have a comparable rate of mental illness. Still, no correlation to gun violence.

    • Stephen Barlow

      That’s not true.

      “October 2nd, 2006. It was a typical fall day. Birds could be heard in the distance and little else, except maybe the clip-clop of a horse’s hoofs and the rattling of a buggy heading down a back country road. It’s normally quiet and peaceful in the rolling Amish farmlands of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.

      But that peace was shattered when the sound of gunfire was heard from inside an Amish school. When local police broke into the one-room Amish schoolhouse they found 10 Amish girls ages 6-13 had been shot by Charles Carl Roberts IV, who had then committed suicide.

      School shootings are a far too frequent occurrence in this country. But this case openly displayed a clash of two different cultures – the modern, more “advanced” American society and the withdrawn community of the Amish, who intentionally attempt to distance themselves from worldly influences. The violence that is far too common in one society blasted its way into the non-violent, peaceful community of “the gentle people”.”

      Nothing is worse than a gun nut. Except A LYING GUN NUT!

      • Sandy Greer

        Charles Carl Roberts IV wasn’t Amish.

      • Charles Vincent

        Those pesky facts again.

      • Stephen Barlow

        READ the STATEMENT again hon.

      • Sandy Greer

        >They have no school shootings perpetrated by Amish with guns.

        ^^^ by Amish with guns – key qualifier.

        (6 word novels – I’m getting good)

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        You are.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        ‘Hon’??? Why not just reference Ms. Greer as ‘Sugar Britches’. You sure your not the General leading the War on women?

      • Sandy Greer

        Actually, I don’t mind being called “hon”. Even when perpetrated by the (rare) stranger, IRL – I don’t mind. Lucky me, if a man feels affection for me, even when exasperated with me.

        I’ve been called worse, that’s for sure.

        We know about Barlow-Brains. We’re more familiar with him than you. No surprises there. He is what he is, and won’t be ‘tamed’ by you, me, or anyone else here.

        I think we’re all a little bit like that, no? We butt heads because we can’t make each other be what we’d have them be.

        The 6-word novel is a private joke he and I share – has to do with the ‘wordsmithery’ I spoke to you earlier about.

        But here’s an anecdote. Even some of us ladies are armed. 😉

        If you didn’t ask so many antagonistic, ‘gotcha’ questions – you’d probably have an easier time of it here.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        You know how knitting for the ladies (as well as quite a few NFL players) keeps Arthritis away? I consider this as my way of staying mentally nimble. (and my typing skills have improved tremendously..
        ‘Correct him? Damn near killed him!’

      • Sandy Greer

        Didn’t know that about knitting. Don’t suffer from arthritis yet.

        Mental nimbleness I understand. Why I appreciate the challenge of 6-word novels. Now that I’m on speaking terms with him again. 😉

        ^^^More discipline there than in Haiku.

        But I like plays on words among friends – enjoying one another. No ‘gotchas’ fired like bullets. My favorite people are Opponents I didn’t like, at first. So far – that is every single person in this thread – without exception. I wouldn’t trade them for the world.

        Don’t get the reference to “Correct him? Damn near killed him!”

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        The dirtiest joke in the world? Punchline: Wrecked’em? Damn near killed’em !

        I too am a fan of Ernest Hemingway’s works, just not his politics. I know Jack’s daughter, Mariel. Now she’s quite outspoken and a huge supporter of Motherhood. She keeps an apartment on the west side of Manhattan. Met her a few years ago with her then husband at B.Smiths on 6th Ave.

      • Sandy Greer

        Nice. And just when we were getting acquainted, too. I can see I’m out of my element with you.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        No Ma’am, we are all fish in the same sea. But it is a Predatory eco-system. Predator/Prey. Meat-eaters/Grass-Eaters. Every now and then someone comes along and throws a few flakes in a fish bowl like this place and they call it home.

      • Sandy Greer

        Well, I hope you don’t see me as prey. That would be even more off-putting than dirty jokes I’m the butt of. Too much, too soon can be a little overwhelming to a person like me.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Please accept my most sincerest apologies, I was caught up in the moment, but I will temper my Testosterone when engaging directly. Again, I extend an Olive branch from my heart.

      • Sandy Greer

        I do, with grateful thanks. It’s rare I’m given an apology here on FP. Makes those who do all the more unique.

        I savor special things about each person, close to my heart. Right now – This will be yours.

        Thanks again.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        You hold my heart Madam, it is my privilege. Please engage me at will. I shall reciprocate in kind.

      • Steve Brains

        More to the point, if he weren’t incapable of honest discussion, he would have a human friend off line whom he might pay for sexual favors. but even $2 hookers cross the street when THIS troll comes out form under the bridge.

      • Jim Bean

        Yeah, except that Charles Carl Roberts IV was not Amish. He was a milk truck driver. So, yeah, what I said WAS true.

        I must say, you have an almost unblemished record of getting things wrong.

      • Stephen Barlow

        BEside the point. You said they NEVER have SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. YOU LIED! AND GOT CAUGHT! AGAIN!!!!

      • Jim Bean

        Here is my original comment. Read it again. This time, read ALL the words.

        Jim Bean • 3 hours ago

        The Amish all have guns. They all have schools. They have no school shootings perpetrated by Amish with guns.

        That is incontrovertible proof that there is no correlation between the availability of gun and the inclination to shoot someone with it.

        I’m sure they also have a comparable rate of mental illness. Still, no correlation to gun violence.

      • Charles Vincent

        You’re going to need to narrow it down a bit. I suggest “They have no school shootings perpetrated by Amish with guns.”
        or

        “shootings perpetrated by Amish with guns.”

        Just saying.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        I’d go with; Steve Brains/Stephen Barlow/Stefani/ or whatever name the Gun-owning, Pot Farmer will come up with next, is as simplistic as a child that was not aborted for convenience. It really don’t matter here anyway, In this fantasyland that Clifton and his “Partner’ have set up, the truth is a fluid as the water that runs under the Chappaquiddick bridge.
        —–
        So Steffy, “a .358WCF Henry Lever Rifle with a Gold Plated Action”? What else you have in that head of yours?

      • Charles Vincent

        uhhhh What????

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Sorry, I was 2-parting the post to save bandwidth. Choose the part you feel is relevant to you.
        BTW, you did know that Steffy owns several ‘high-powered weapons don’t you?

      • Charles Vincent

        I know about him hes been crawling over my posts for about a year also aware of where he lives and his past and how he stuck a pistol in a friends mouth because he though his friend was screwing his now ex wife I believe. At least that’s the gist of what he wrote an posted here Sandy can confirm that as can you by looking through Barlow’s posts.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Gee, I don’t know. Traipsing around inside that melon of his sounds like a great way to catch some really bad Juju. Heck, I wouldn’t want to even place a Ouija board anywhere near him. Bad Juju.

      • Charles Vincent

        I have thick skin, he doesn’t even register on the radar.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        I like him too. He’s like one of those bug-eyed Chihuahua dogs that bark like a Big Dog, but are always shaking in their skin.

      • Charles Vincent

        I am really ambivalent about the whole thing.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Wow, you’ve grown numb to the ankle bitter. Good for you. Stay focused.

      • Charles Vincent

        More like I been around awhile and had occasion to meet more than my share of Barlows, been ambivalent to his type for a long time, but it doesnt mute the fun of needling them.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Name Me more than uno?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Knew you swung like “a candle in the wind”

      • Stephen Barlow

        I’ll put money on a shorter dog, because he’ll get under a big Rottie and gut him.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Leg Armor & a Groin Protector. Check.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Yolo has a groin? WORTH protecting?

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        You don’t? Has your politics vivisected you? Too Bad.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Can’t LOVES ME!!!!!!!!!

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Yes I can. No matter how hard you deny it, you are a child of God, and I love you. I hate your Sin, but I love you. I also forgive you.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Then why are you and your Mom chasin’ after me Norman?

      • Stephen Barlow

        me not FAT enough for RADAR.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Boneless skin.

      • Stephen Barlow

        “I’ll put a HEX on you that’ll …”

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        It was Screamin Jay Hawkins -‘ I put a spell on you’. But you’re not old enough to remember. Hey Steffy, the VOICE is on tonight. Go make some popcorn.

      • Stephen Barlow

        CCR

      • Sandy Greer

        No. They’re good. But here’s the original, by the writer. An entirely different ‘feel’ to it. 😉

        www DOT yutube DOT com/watch?v=PwXai-sgM-s

      • Stephen Barlow

        Ty
        Wanna simple post solution? SPACES

        www , youtube . com / watch ? (squggles)

      • Sandy Greer

        That is easier. Thank you!

      • Stephen Barlow

        ~smirks~ Gotta out SMART the machine!

        Just TURN them BOTH UP and pause.

        Fill your glass and put your knitting on the cat (sleeping @ your feet)

        youtube . com/watch? v=G-P _f_ -zkTU

        Or does the . count as 1 of 6?

      • Sandy Greer

        If I had a cat, and if I knitted – I’d do that. 😀

        But it’s times like these I like you. There. I said it.

        And the wordsmithery. I think I’d have liked to try that chili of yours.

        Don’t make me take your cookies away again.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Do you have a “Murder moment”? some random Kryptonite..

        “Please don’t take…

        My cookies.. away?”

        www. youtube. com/ watch? v=cGa3zFRqDn4

        That’s how My MOM sang it

        www. youtube. com/watch?v=rc2jsjnt-HY

        Is how I heard it

      • Stephen Barlow

        MFS (my favorite song)

        www . youtube . com/watch ? v=EeGyQIgvSV0

        What’s urs?

      • Sandy Greer

        Don’t make me pick. I can’t.

        Grateful Dead? (go ahead and laugh)
        Moody Blues (to fall asleep by)
        Simon & Garfunkel
        Beach Boys (now you’re really laughing)
        Eric Clapton
        Supremes (got a good story there)
        Beatles
        Van Morrison
        Santana
        Elton John
        Garth Brooks
        Kenny G

        Hawaiian music (when in the islands)
        Country (driving flat out across deserts)
        Classical & Opera (dreamy piano concertos)

        Assorted special songs conjuring special memories

        ^^^ Just your average electic girl, there ^^^

      • Stephen Barlow

        My Funeral Hymns !
        youtube . com/watch ? v=XacvydVrhuI

        And you DAMN SURE know I’da been driving that train before sent flowers…

        www. you tube . com/watch ? v=671AgW9xSiA

        ANd with My LAST breath…

        www . youtube . com/watch ? v=nkKuhAxcH7g

      • Sandy Greer

        See, I knew I liked you! 😉

        BTW

        You need to see Ben Stein thread:
        Somebody has stolen your good name.

        :O :(((

      • Stephen Barlow

        As Thus:

        youtube . com/watch ?v=YytOpnJ_3sQ

        AANNDD

        www . youtube . com/ watch? v=vXyNSSFOnEg

        Wink! 😉

      • Stephen Barlow

        Original:

        www . yout ube. com/ watch? v=Yd60nI4sa9A

        1927

        Plug it in!!!

        www . youtube . com/watch? v=m3_x2I8FQ8Q

        And most famously, a half century later

        /www. youtube. com/watch? v=Dg1pHe YmaQE

        Don’t that just make your skin crawl!?

      • Stephen Barlow

        YOu mean : Your THEME SONG!!!

        Constipation Blues?

        www. youtube . com/watch?v=nbfnP3nhghk

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        I kind of favored Julia Ward Howe’s song writing abilities.
        Careful you don’t sing it, you’ll burst into flames.

      • Sandy Greer

        One I love for both of you:

        Portrait of a Man – by Screamin Jay Hawkins

        www , youtube , com/watch?v=HS5EKEo6PRQ

      • Stephen Barlow

        DUMBASS!!!! dot com!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        I keep then in a safe.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Really? For that ‘.358WCF Henry Lever with the Gold Plated Action’ too?
        Too bad it’s not a Gold Plated Brass Receiver, in .44 Rim Fire. Then you’d have a $65K rifle.
        You do know that it was the Winchester Model 88 made between 1955 and 1978 that was offered in .358WCF right?
        You sure do know your guns there.

      • Stephen Barlow

        I know what I have and what they are worth, I dropped a 1250# Monarch Bull Elk from a MEASURED 900 yards with the open sights My Dad ordered on that Henry. Brought back the rack that night and nibbled that tidbit for 17 months!

        {Came in second in Cripple Creek Chili Cook off with My “ElkFart Barnburnin’ Double Bubble Blast, ECHO CANYON Reverberation” blend. ( all home garden grown peppers (3 Unique heirlooms), onions (Red & green), cilantro, ???, ??? and 5 hand picked heirloom maters!}

        Makes ya “Bug zapper happy!” Went from $4 to $11 a quart when there where only 6 left.

        Since Colorado is (mostly) FREE RANGE, almost no fence scars on the hide.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Actually I don’t.
        WCF is a Winchester code and henry NEVER made a .358

        SUCK IT SUCKAHHHHH!

        THROAT IT AN CHOKE ON IT!!!

        THANKS for hooking Me up with POCKETcash. Goes on Ebay… YOu have the BEST roll mark #’s?

      • Sandy Greer

        When they talk about you behind your back it’s because you’re two steps ahead.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        ‘In the land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is King’

      • Stephen Barlow

        www. youtube .com/ watch? v=XAZ5G3xoxhI

        Pentamic barometer…??? Maybe not.

      • Stephen Barlow

        Goodbye. It’s been Nice.

        www . youtube . com/watch ?v=IuZkUftTwKo

        Kai WHO!!

      • Sandy Greer

        OK. You got me now. I love Eric Clapton.

      • Stephen Barlow

        GIRRRRRRRRL! you really got Me noow..”

      • Stephen Barlow

        The 2 things most people NEVER understand about EC are?

      • Stephen Barlow

        Nice of you to join them.

      • Sandy Greer

        Not like you didn’t know, though.
        We’ve been over (New Hampshire) before.
        I spoke Truth – sans hyperbole/malice
        What shame there is – is yours.

        I defend you from unjust accusation.
        Not being aborted – beyond the pale.
        You’d say it yourself, to others.
        But beyond the pale, to me.

        I’m still wondering about those cookies.
        Leading across country to the Atlantic.

      • Stephen Barlow

        And the LAST 2 paraplegic excuses for paragraphs are NOT true, making the whole STATEMENT untrue.

      • Stephen Barlow

        NOPE. 2/3 of your statement is FALSE.

      • Jim Bean

        2/3 of your brain cells are dead.

      • Sandy Greer

        No. I get what he’s saying.

        2) If gun is not available – nobody can shoot it. So, correlated. And obviously, not incontrovertible.

        3) Comparable rates of mental illness – probably, but unproven.

        ^^^That’s what he’s looking at. Nit picky. You didn’t lie, though.

        We should be able to post without looking over our shoulders at somebody waiting to pounce a ‘gotcha’ on every little word. Goodwill on both sides keeps the fights down.

        I vote we move on.

      • Jim Bean

        I’ll respectfully disagree on point two. If guns are readily available to a large group of people for centuries and no in that group ever uses one to shoot someone else, that’s incontrovertible evidence that the mere availability of a gun does not incite people to shoot each other.

      • Sandy Greer

        I understand. And know that ‘mere availability does not incite’ is what you meant to say in your OP. Why I gave it a pass in the first place. 😉

      • Steve Brains

        “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

        “””””The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, “””

        >>>and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.<<<

        Did you VOTE? NO? THEN STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Stephen Barlow

        AND I sTILL WHOOOOMP you 10X in the smarts dept!!!

    • youcantgetridofmethateasy

      Nice country there in Lebanon County. They seem to have found a system that works well for them. I hunt Pennsylvania’s Deer Season on a Farm owned by an Amish Barn Builder. Sharp people and despite prejudicial opinions by the “English” they are very well educated (without governmental interference).

      • Jim Bean

        I’m in PA also -the southwest and I too hunt deer & ringnecks on and around Amish holdings. Great folks.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Without a doubt. So you’re a Descendant of those fine folks who told Alexander Hamilton to shove their Whiskey Tax? I have a friend out your way; owns Combined Systems. They make all the CN/CS/OC Riot Control grenades and launched Munitions for Law Enforcement & Military. You might have seen their product used on the streets of Cairo & every World Economic Summit?

      • Jim Bean

        Not familiar with Combined Systems. They are in the 16000 zip code (a bit east) and I’m in the 15000. The Fed militia sent to put down the rebellion had its headquarters in the town I grew up in. I live about 18 miles from there now.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        Great history. I had family in the Virginia/North Carolina hills that just went legit with their 120 year old Moon Shine business. They were featured on ‘Moonshiners’ last year.
        So what’s your roads like with all the increased tonnage since Fracking opened up? How has the state police responded with your bridge laws?

      • Jim Bean

        The ones I travel locally already get hammered with coal and gravel truck traffic. Really haven’t heard much blow back from the bridge laws.

      • youcantgetridofmethateasy

        The tonnage issue was a pay-day for PA Troopers in the Northeast. I have several friends in Elkland who have gas wells that were horizontally drilled a mile under New York state. They are making millions of their property. But as you said, the roads are ruined.

  • Stephen Barlow

    No matter WHAT the question, I am SURE the REDS are WRONG and the DEMS are stupid!!