Texas Officials Planning to Make State a “Stand-Alone Island Nation” if United States “Falls Apart”

barry-smithermanIt’s one thing when a few radical individuals store canned food in a basement in preparation for nuclear fallout — it’s quite another when an entire state is preparing for a nation to collapse.

Well, according to a Republican candidate for Texas Attorney General, Texas is preparing for the end of the United States.

No, this isn’t a joke.

According to Barry Smitherman, Texas has made great strides to prepare for life after the United States “falls apart.”

This isn’t secession he’s talking about, it’s “independence.”

Smitherman said:

“Generally speaking, we have made great progress in becoming an independent nation, an ‘island nation’ if you will, and I think we want to continue down that path so that if the rest of the country falls apart, Texas can operate as a stand-alone entity with energy, food, water and roads as if we were a closed-loop system,”

In other words, Texas has made an effort to be it’s own nation-state—of sorts.

I guess we should ignore the massive amount of federal dollars Texas receives — something Mr. Smitherman apparently isn’t aware of.  I guess he only watches Fox News.

I mean, it’s perfectly logical for an entire state to make plans for the United States “falling apart.”

Following these comments, you’d expect Republicans to distance themselves from such radical talk.  Especially when you consider the fact that Mr. Smitherman’s comments simply don’t make any sense.

Well, if you expected that, you’d be wrong.

Fellow Republican David Bellow agreed with the comments.  In fact, he elaborated on them:

We are not talking about pushing for Texas secession.  We are just talking about being prepared for anything that might happen if the very volatile and unstable federal government falls apart.  This means being prepared for even the possibility of Texas secession, independence, surviving on our own, etc.

I am not advocating for Texas to become enemies with America or turn our backs on America, and neither is Smitherman, but there is a very real possibility that the U.S. will fall apart and crumble over things like MASSIVE debt.  What will we do if the U.S. falls apart? Do we have a plan for Texans to survive on our own? Are we capable of surviving on our own? The State of Texas should not wait until the U.S. fails to simply be prepared and be capable of surviving IF the U.S. fails.

First, if the U.S. fails Texas fails.  It’s part of the United States.  Second, what the hell is wrong with these people?

Imagine if you had a neighbor who hoarded massive amounts of food, water and equipment for the “end of the United States,” would you socialize with that person?

I know I wouldn’t.

But people are actually voting for these individuals.

These are Republicans in the state of Texas admitting that, in the legislature, there are people prepping Texas just in case the United States “falls apart.”

And if you think this “plan” is limited to fringe Republicans, I promise you it’s not.  While lower-level Republicans might be able to get away with saying this, mainly because few people know them, going by Rick Perry’s past “secession” comments it’s obvious bigger names in Texas really believe the United States is headed for collapse — and Texas can survive without the federal government.

The fact that anyone would actually even believe this shows signs of mental instability and insanity.

But the sad party is, when someone says something as asinine as this, thousands (if not millions) of Republicans in Texas probably stand up and cheer.

Because they’re absolutely clueless.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Stuart McDonald

    Utah and the Mormon Church which completely controls it have been doing this for years. The US falling apart is part of Mormon “prophecy”, although it’s a completely self-fulfilling prophecy. And the Mormon Church and devout Mormons have been doing everything they can to undermine and destabilize the US government and society the whole time.

    • Mainah

      I can see it now … Scientologist v. Mormons. The musical.

  • AnneElliot

    I live in Texas, and I’ve never heard of this idiot.

    • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

      Me either – wonder WHO voted this idiot in as railroad commissioner??? WE HAVE GOT TO GIT RID OF THESE IDIOTS!

      • Cathryn Sykes

        The voters. Those are the idiots. One of the problems is the name of the Texas Railroad Commission, which actually “regulates”–and those quote marks are deliberate!–all the oil and gas in the state. I’ve worked as an elections judge. We had an election for a TRC commissioner on the ballot awhile back, and I remember some voter looking at that and saying, “Well, I don’t know anything about railroads, so I’ll just vote for the first guy!”

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        Yeah, I think the first thing is to educate the voters on their duty to be INFORMED. I love the ones who vote straight party….never have, never will (or at least I don’t anticipate doing so). I study the issues & whomever comes closest to what I think gets my vote. I will admit that most of the time it is a Democrat, but I have found a few good Republicans in local races. This last time, I was glad the guy I voted for won the City Council election. My guy was outspent by the other guy who probably personally killed a whole forest because of the number of mailings he did….The guy who lost was slapped with an ethics charge right after the election…..but my neighbor across the street voted for him because he was against gun control (which will never come up in a city election); against abortion (????) & against a program for early education in our city……..Like I said, “Peoples is crazy”

  • James Worcester

    Cool. Let’s cut off all Federal funding, remove all military bases, close all Federal highways, tear down all Federal buildings, take them off any national power grids. That’ll save us a few billion every year.

    • Roadie

      We would need to ensure border security and set up a passport system then too. Sen. Cornyn in TX said he wanted “U.S. Border Patrol to achieve 100% situational and operational control of the border” as part of the current immigration bill talks so we should give him exactly what he asks for when TX “becomes independent.”

      • JonathaninAZ

        And Texas will have to defend the Rio Grande from the undocumented invasion from the south! (The Red River will be much easier.)

      • texican

        Without federal restrictions, I’m thinking illegals would quickly start hitting NM, AZ, and CA again…

      • Bryn

        it is a myth that texas has a clause in the “treaty” . The texan republic has ceased to exist, there is no state in the independent sense just a part of the usa called texas. I would have thought the civil war was a hint. The subsequent court case where any debt incurred by the supposed confederate governments were not debts payable by the states as none of the states left the usa. there was no confederacy just criminals who were traitors

    • Charles Vincent

      One problem, Texas is the 15th largest economy in the world; They also have their own power grid separate from the US power grid. The highways and interstates in texas are maintained by Texas tax payers. they also have substanial investment in green energy and a seaport that can and does sustain trade on the international scale.

      • James Worcester

        Well, good luck. I think you will find that the Federal government paid for each and everu one ot the assets you list. In any case, good luck with Teddy Cruz as y’alls new President!

      • Charles Vincent

        “The federal govt. pays for about 1/3 of the cost of building federal highways.”
        Leaving the other 2/3 of the bill to be footed by the tax payers of Texas.
        I would Imagine that that 1/3 cost is also the case for federal buildings as well.
        Also I am not from Texas nor have I ever been to Texas.

      • James Worcester

        And for the past 20 years the state of Texas has used those Federal infrastructure funds to try to balance their budget. I have lived lived there and I got the Hell out as fast as I could.

      • Charles Vincent

        Sort of like the US congress has used the SS and medicare/medicaid fund to balance the federal budget since the mid 1980’s.

      • James Worcester

        Actually, Social Security funds were first mixed in to the General Fund by LBJ to finance the Vietnam conflict. Congress has been “borrowing” from the fund since that time for pet projects within their states.

      • James Worcester

        The U.S. owes its seniors over twice as much as it does China, thanks to Congressional pork and unfunded wars

      • Charles Vincent

        Iraq and Afganistan combined cost 141 billion dollars, this is the least of our problem.
        As of 2011 i believe

      • James Worcester

        And, pray, what does that have to do with a bunch of crazies wanting to make Texas a country? Oh, yeah, I forgot, standard operating procedure for you guys is to deflect from the issue at hand by attempting to change the subject, then thrusting and parrying against the current administration.

      • Charles Vincent

        I was following your line of discussion. Texas could be a country they were one before they were a state and they could be again you dont have to like it but they are one of a few states that could exist as an autonomous country.

      • James Worcester

        You seem like a reasonable gentleman. On the premise of Texas becoming a country, I believe we will have to agree to disagree.

      • Charles Vincent

        And this is fine but one must realize that Texas has all the means needed to be a stand alone country. Would they prosper or fail who knows but that doesn’t change the fact that they have the required elements to be a country.

      • PJay

        Here’s the quickest way to erase the debt: do what our forefathers did. The wealthiest in American should pay the tax rates they paid after WWII – 80+ %. Roosevelt spent his way out w fed programs to put people to work, then the next presidents taxed their way through their terms.
        Your numbers on costs of war are totally wrong. It will be closer 4-6 trillion for the Bush wars. Yes, I know he flew in and announced victory 10 years ago but, somehow, we continue to spend $ in Iraq. IMO it’d be fine if TX became independent. They could keep all the radicals in their borders and we wouldn’t have to listen to their constant stupidity on evolution being a controversial theory, teaching creationism as science, banning critical thinking skills in classrooms, promoting hitting kids in school-what a relief not to claim such a backwards place as part of the country. Let them ban books, burn records and have some gold ole boy fun. Texas-where men are ignorant haters & women are brainwashed second class servants.
        So many Americans are sick of the stupidity. It’s time to stop the circus, act like adults, and compromise. If TX can’t progress beyond their jr high mentality, then don’t let the door hit ’em in the ass on the way out.

      • Charles Vincent

        “Here’s the quickest way to erase the debt: do what our forefathers did.
        The wealthiest in American should pay the tax rates they paid after
        WWII – 80+ %. Roosevelt spent his way out w fed programs to put people
        to work, then the next presidents taxed their way through their terms.”

        That doesn’t work and never will work you’re ignoring basic math. the top marginal tax rate was 90% but after deductions it was 50% which is only 11% more than what they currently pay now. even is the government took every dime from every person who made more than 100k a year the could barely finance the governments operation for less than 2 weeks.

        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=FC5Gkox-1QY

        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=p0RkWqyn1y4

        “Your numbers on costs of war are totally wrong. It will be closer 4-6 trillion for the Bush wars.”
        IN 2011 that was the cost of those wars and who was president in 2011? Obama. hes been in office since 2009 and has continued those wars and started new conflicts (See Libya and Syria) He has also increased our national debt more than every president from Washington to Clinton. Futhermore he has doubled the amount of debt Bush in four years that had in 8 years.

      • Charles Vincent

        P.S. the total combined cost of both wars to date is ~ 1.5 trillion dollars not 4-6 trillion source is here;

        http://nationalpriorities DOT org/cost-of/

      • Charles Vincent

        As of march 2013 China Holds 22% of our debt ~1.250 trillion dollars thats half of what was in the SS trust fund.

      • James Worcester

        The debt to Social Security is $2.1 Trillion (Source:CBO)

      • Charles Vincent

        the cbo stuff i have seen put it at 2.5 trillion but whats a few hundred billion between congressmen anyway.

      • KSJmom

        That’s incorrect. SS funds have never been part of a general fund – they’ve always been separate since inception. Go check the SS website to debunk that myth.

      • James Worcester

        I did not say SS was part of the General fund, I said it was mixed with by LBJ. Semantics, mom. I should have said “intermingled” or “treated as a part of”. Regardless, it should be “hands off” to Congress and the President.

      • Charles Vincent

        And that’s why people think it would be a good reason to move to individual private accounts so congress couldn’t fiddle with people’s retirement funds.

      • Darrell

        Republicans have been the ones raiding Social Security and medicare, they are also trying their damndest to privatize the Post Office. Crazies are in charge!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Charles Vincent

        Wrong it has been consistently raided by both parties. Privatizing the post office might just make them competitive in their market.

      • Neroon

        The Post Office is already competitive. Almost all of the losses are from a bill passed by the GOP that was designed to destroy the USPS.

      • Charles Vincent

        http://en DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service

        The link above show why they are losing money and it does not all have to do with the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA).

        The bill had 2 dem and 1 rep cosponsor and the committee had 23 reps and 17 democrats so how exactly is this a GOP did it issue? seem more like both parties were on this. Here is the vote on that bill in both houses of congress;

        November 7, 2006 — California Representative Nancy Pelosi and Nevada Senator Harry Reid lead the Democratic Party in taking control of both the House and the Senate in the 2006 congressional elections, the first time in 12 years the Democrats secure control of both houses of Congress simultaneously.

        12/07/2006 Introduced in House

        12/08/2006
        Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.(text: CR H9160-9179)

        12/09/2006
        Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate without amendment by Unanimous Consent.(consideration: CR 12/8/2006 S11821-11822)

        12/19/2006 Presented to President.

        12/20/2006 Signed by President.

        12/20/2006 Became Public Law No: 109-435.

      • Neroon

        The Democrats had no control over the House or Senate until after January 1, 2007.

        The fact that Democrats were involved is a shame. The person who submitted the bill was a Republican. The fact that the GOP has stopped every attempt to fix the mess is squarely in their hands. The bill was posted and passed in a matter of days and there was no discussion of the pension part that turned into the disaster it has become. No other company has to fund retirement 75 years in advance. That language was written to destroy the USPS and to destroy the largest Union employer in the country. It will also mean the end of mail deliver to millions of Americans and drive up package prices.

      • Charles Vincent

        “The Democrats had no control over the House or Senate until after January 1, 2007.”

        November 7, 2006 — California Representative Nancy Pelosi and Nevada Senator Harry Reid lead the Democratic Party in taking control of both
        the House and the Senate in the 2006 congressional elections,

        Reading comprehension is great there bro.

        “The fact that the GOP has stopped every attempt to fix the mess is squarely in their hands.”

        12/08/2006
        Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.(text: CR H9160-9179)

        And

        12/09/2006
        Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed
        Senate without amendment by Unanimous Consent.(consideration: CR 12/8/2006 S11821-11822)

        Do you know what Unanimous means? No. Well let me explain it to you it means everyone in the democratically controlled senate voted yes on the law. Want blame someone blame them all because they all hand a giant hand in it chief. Your sad sack line of tear ridden rhetoric is bullshit.

      • Neroon

        You seem a little stupid. 1. They won the election and there were a lot of things the GOP did between the election and Jan 1, 2007 when the Dems actually took control. 2. I understand, though how it was passed. 3. The GOP int he House has stymied every effort to fix it. The Dems realized too late the disaster that was created.

        The bill originated from a GOP Rep from NY. The bill is destroying and crippling the USPS. I realize that you are part of the world that seems to want that to happen. That is only one of the many reasons I can’t wait for 2016 and the bloodbath that is awaiting the GOP.

        After what will have been 8 years of efforts to make sure America fails so a Black President does not succeed, we will see a stunning defeat at the polls. I expect the next two more years will be a continued repeat of events since Jan 2009. I expect the GOP will do away with all of the filibuster rule and all we will have between us and the corporate takeover of our nation will be Obama’s Veto pen. It’s sad to see a once great party descend into the abyss.

      • Charles Vincent

        “The bill originated from a GOP Rep from NY. The bill is destroying and crippling the USPS.”

        And it passed both houses unopposed chief and it was unanimous in the senate, which means that every senator both democrat and republican voted yes how is that any where near the GOP’s fault? Keep drinking the Koolaid.

        “3. The GOP int he House has stymied every effort to fix it. The Dems realized too late the disaster that was created.”

        12/08/2006
        Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.(text: CR
        H9160-9179)

        The key part here is “as amended Agreed to by voice vote”. And you’re calling me stupid.

        Obama is a tool and I wouldn’t let him run a free dog wash.

        You really want to go there on how incompetent Obama is pal?

        I think the democrats are going to eat a big turd sandwich come November and it will be nothing but tears for mouthbreathers like you.

      • kersti1234

        The Federal Government doesn’t pay for squat, genius. TAXPAYERS do! You liberals are so cute!

      • Guest

        kersti, I am a conservative with common sense. When was the last time you drove to Texas and dropped your Federal tax check off at the Governors office, Sweetie, toy Teabillies are so predictable.

      • James Worcester

        kersti, I am a conservative with common sense. When was the last time you drove to Texas and dropped your Federal tax check off at the Governors office, Sweetie? YouTeabillies are so predictable.

      • James Worcester

        Well, good luck. I think you will find that the Federal government paid for each and everu one ot the assets you list. In any case, good luck with Teddy Cruz as y’alls new President!

      • diamondmask

        Only because of the huge influx of tax money from the rest of us. As in most southern states, they would fail in a short time were they to “pull out”.

      • Charles Vincent

        This is again blatant rhetoric you nor anyone else knows how the event would unfold.

      • diamondmask

        So their receiving tax money is rhetoric? And you have no evidence that they would succeed as a country do you? Only that they have lots of money now and resources. Afghanistan has LOTS of resources, and if you consider them successful, then I guess Texas could be successful. If living in the 13th century is what you want. You seem to think that just because stuff is in place, it would work. I’m all for letting them try. Then when they want to rejoin the union because they find that pure capitalism and libertarian policies simply don’t work, we can negotiate a deal with them. Since libertarian ideals result in anarchy, it would be interesting to see how long it would take before they were at war with themselves.

      • Charles Vincent

        No this is rhetoric;
        “they would fail in a short time were they to “pull out”.

        My assertion isn’t that they would be a success or a failure , but that they have all the necessary components to be a success.

        “Since libertarian ideals result in anarchy”
        This is patently false look at the things libertarians are trying in Detroit on YouTube its a series of 4 videos and they seem to be getting along good in the absence of government.
        Part I
        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=rJEzCN5kfJE&feature=share

        Part II

        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=HnPZ1yuoFIc&feature=share

        Part III

        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=NZ5ZgmjuTt8&feature=share

        Part IV

        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=pwTq6xlEXpQ&feature=share

    • Charles Vincent

      One problem, Texas is the 15th largest economy in the world; They also have their own power grid separate from the US power grid. The highways and interstates in texas are maintained by Texas tax payers. they also have substanial investment in green energy and a seaport that can and does sustain trade on the international scale.

    • Charles Vincent

      “The biggest state in the continental United States would not only be a
      midsize nation in terms of land area, the world’s 40th biggest, but an economic powerhouse.

      It would be the 14th largest economy in the world, bigger than South Korea or
      the Netherlands, and roughly equivalent to two Switzerlands.

      Its gross domestic product of $1.2 trillion, or 8 percent of the entire U.S.
      GDP, placed it just behind Spain, and one notch above its neighbor Mexico, in
      the 2011 rankings compiled by the International Monetary Fund.

      To power all of this, Texas has a lot of oil, producing about 2 million
      barrels per day. Houston, the largest city in the state, calls itself the energy
      capital of the world, and with good reason: Oil giant ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP)
      is based there, as well as many other energy firms. Exxon Mobil (NYSE: XOM), the
      biggest company in the world by revenue, has its headquarters outside Dallas.”

      • James Worcester

        And without the support of the United States, those Corporations will be out of Houston quicker than shit through a goose.

      • Charles Vincent

        Thats pure rhetoric you cant prove they would leave. Infact I think they would stay just like they stay in other countries around the world.

      • James Worcester

        You bet’cha, Cowboy…Git ‘er dun!

      • diamondmask

        Once the oil subsidies went away, and all contracts with business’s within that nation had to be reworked, and after tariffs were put in place and all the tax dollars used to keep Texas running disappear, you’d see a southern Detroit.

      • Charles Vincent

        You can’t prove any outcome that’s pure rhetoric.

      • xnerd

        It would take about 6 minutes for Mexico to invade.
        Grow a fucking brain momo

      • Charles Vincent

        You don’t know any such thing.

    • Charles Vincent

      The treaty Texas signed when joining the Union stipulated that it could secede peacefully, should it ever decide to do so.

      • James Worcester

        I have no problem with cowards and traitors renouncing their citizenship after the mass exodus of sane people from Little Mexico

      • Pete Walker

        Yeah, no they didn’t , when they signed the treaty to become part of the states they lost there right to Secede, unless every other states votes to let them go!

      • Charles Vincent

        Wrong they have constitutional grounds to secede just like anyother state. Joining the union is a voluntary. Act and any state can with draw their consent to be governed read your history the opening paragraph of the declaration states that plainly.

      • diamondmask

        The other 49 states would also have to give them permission. At this point, I say, give the rational people 6 months to get out, then secede away. Take Arizona with you, but the Grand Canyon remains American terrority.

      • Charles Vincent

        I believe it’s a 2/3 majority just like the way they ratified the constitution.

    • Mr. Smith

      Top it off with making a no fly zone around the state, enact a trade embargo, blockade the gulf of Mexico at the shore line, put a electrified fence around the state and patrol the entire border with predator drones equipped with hell fire missiles and you could turn it into a full time reality TV show. I would DVR every minute of it.

    • texican

      If you wish to cut off welfare, please do. You can either send buses, or we could probably muster them ourselves, to deliver to whichever Blue State you choose, the millions of welfare recipients that live here.

      How do you ‘remove’ a military base??? You gonna rip up hundreds of thousand of acres and magically plop them down elsewhere???

      Ignorance is bliss, apparently. There are three national power grids in America. The Western grid. The Eastern grid. And the… are you ready? really really ready??? The TEXAS grid. Yes, my friend, all but a thin slice of Eastern Texas is on the Texas grid, which is completely independent of the other two national grids. We produce all of our own power, 10% of which is wind generated. We have coal, nuclear, and natural gas plants, as well as a few hydro plants.

      If you want to remove your federal buildings, be my guest.

      Close the ‘federal highways’…. right. Stop funding them if you want, but we’ll just pull the signs down, and start maintaining them ourselves.

  • Mike Williams

    I don’t have a problem with a state being ready for something like the US falling apart or worse. It is the duty of the state to protect and be able to function without the federal union, and actually should be in their respective constitutions already. This isn’t a doomsday thing this is just good proceedure. Kind of like what do you do if your a store owner and the power goes out and stays out for a long time. Your cash registers won’t work so you get out your note books and write the sale down by hand, literally.

    Yet for some reason Texas, and a few other states, have the notion that if they don’t get their way they will just secede. Leaving behind without a thought all the Federal aid given the state and all the perks of being a state in the union. Such as freedom of travel between states, interstate commerce, the strength of the military, The federal assets that would have to be pulled out. What your left with is a rather more barren lanscape than Rick Perry’s character.

    That sentiment is way more wackadoodle than having a back-up plan.
    If more states did this and utilized the resources found with-in their own boarders the federal government can concentrate on doing what it is supposed to do. Protect the union, negotitate with foriegn countries, provide states with emergency funds when needed. Instead of the current suckling each state does now.

    • kinjirurm

      Budget doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Dollars spent on “prepping” without justification are dollars taken from other programs.

      • Mike Williams

        Well, true and I don’t recall saying a budget exists in a vacuum. However if you don’t put aside in your budget for one thing and leave it alone, all things will suffer later when that one thing is in need. Such as bridges, or sewers. Just as an example. If you don’t maintain a bridge sooner rather than later you will not have a bridge, you will have an obstruction in whatever the bridge spanned. If your hoping to get federal aid to maintain, good luck with that, it’s not going to happen. My statement was not meant as the end to the means its was the opposite, a means to the end. When our governments begin to realize that we need to live with the idea that tomorrow belongs to our kids and our bills today belong to us then we can stop seeing things like “bridge closed because we forgot that they need repairs” or “No water because our pipes are 150 years old and prone to breakage, water tax vote on Tuesday failed” and when it is our kids turn to run the game they won’t have to deal with the crap our generation has been stuck with from out parents and our grandparents generations.

        If that is “prepping” cool, I’m all for it because the time to get ready for something has passed if it is already happening.

  • Anthonij

    Ironic that the most damage ever done to these United States by a single president was under the recent reign of a Texan, George W… someone who these knuckleheads surely think was doing a great job…

    Perhaps before it gets down to them seceding, the rest of the country should make a bold move to lower the national debt — sell Texas to Mexico. 😉

    • Bookwench

      Maybe they’ll make ‘W’ the President for life in their new Island country. Payback!

    • KSJmom

      Actually, GW is not a native Texan. He was born & raised in Connecticut. He adopted Texas for some unknown reason – maybe because he knew people here would vote for his dumb ass.

      • Anthonij

        You are, of course, right about his origins but he was after all governor of Texas before he became the worst president in the history of the United States, and he seems to be very much in-step with the mind-set that dominates that unfortunate state’s political life…

  • Mainah

    Are you kidding? Wow. So, they’ll be able to survive the droughts, trade internationally … defend themselves militarily? Really? Is it me, or is there something in the water down there?

    Totally insane. Preparedness for a major disaster, I get … but planning for the collapse of your country? WTF

    • Pipercat

      It’s not the water, it’s the education system….

      • Mainah

        Oh, that’s right. They don’t have any water left due to fracking. My bad! LOL

      • Pipercat

        … and piss poor planning.

      • Pipercat

        To LLC, your post will probably be deleted. No links.

        It’s not their, it’s you guys. I live in Bexar County and the water comes from the Edwards aquifer. The population growth has outstripped the water supply. Texas is always bad at planning for the future. Everything is a half measure at the start and costs 10 times as much to finish later. As you can see in my icon picture, I’m no native…

      • Larry

        You are right Pipercat. Many parts of Texas are in serious to severe water shortages. I hope that figures into nuts who really think that Texas could survive on its own.

    • David Bell

      Something in the water? We don’t have any water down here, we are in the middle of a massive drought. I can only think these “independence” comments are the product of a delusional mind brought on by massive dehydration.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        Hey, David, you suppose we’re on the list for the million person chain gang they’ll need to dig the moat around Texas to keep the rest of the world out?
        As for water, I remember a friend of mine saying, “Oh, we’ll just get what we need from Oklahoma!” Which is exactly what Perry tried to do recently, get a water deal with OK. He acted as though he had the right to drain OK’s rivers for the benefit of Texas. What a shock when OK said….”No.”

      • Mainah

        Yet they continue to allow fracking! There’s planning for ya! Can we just sell Texas to Mexico?

      • Maritimer1

        “Can we just sell Texas to Mexico?”

        Probably not. But they might be willing to take them for a sizeable payment.

      • Mainah

        Well, since we pay Texas … why not pay the Mexicans once and write it off under Net Gain/Loss on sale? Probably get a tax credit. 😉

    • LLCisyouandme

      If the seceded, separated, divorced (no wait the rest of the US didn’t commit adultery–the only Biblical reason for divorce,) whatever you want to call it, they could finish building their wall along the Mexican border–while the rest of us quickly vote to build another right where OK stops.

      • Pipercat

        They can have Oklahoma too…

  • Matthew Reece

    “Imagine if you had a neighbor who hoarded massive amounts of food,
    water and equipment for the ‘end of the United States,’ would you
    socialize with that person? I know I wouldn’t.”

    It is wise to prepare for the end of the United States. At the very least, it is wise to prepare for the end of the United States as we know it. That which mathematically cannot continue will not continue. When it does happen, Mr. Clifton is going to be one of those who does not survive because he chose not to be prepared, and the gene pool will be better off for it.

    • kinjirurm

      Here’s the thing: Everything you just said may make a lot of sense to you, but there’s no foundation for it to stand on. Firstly, if you look at the figures, our debt is very, very slightly going down now, not up. So there is no escalating debt. Secondly, any economist worth his salt has said repeatedly that the U.S. debt is nowhere near critical mass. We could run up far more debt before it truly crippled the economy.

      • Matthew Reece

        “We could run up far more debt before it truly crippled the economy.”
        Perhaps so, but do we really want to be in the same fiscal shape as Japan? They may not be collapsing, but their prospects for recovery are grim.

      • kinjirurm

        Put this into perspective. Under Clinton, we turned our economy into a surplus economy. Under GWB, we greatly sunk into debt. Under Obama, that debt increased, has now been arrested, and is on a positive trend. I think if you look at what leadership has done recently, there’s reason to be optimistic, not pessimistic.

        Don’t get me wrong — being prepared for problems is a good thing, but preparations have a cost that has to be considered, too. It’s all too easy to simply focus on the what-ifs and not be practical.

      • Sean

        You’re correct! Our debt is not increasing as much as it did last year, but we are by no means anywhere near the surplus we need to reduce our debt. And in any case, our debt is increasing by more than it ever did during any of Bush’s years in office.

    • Pipercat

      If there were to be some sort of global economic meltdown, all the various nations would do is nationalize their economies and poof, everything starts all over again. Also, after surviving two hefty earthquakes and enduring the aftermaths of Rita and Ike, eventually, no matter how much you store, you will run out of supplies.

      • Matthew Reece

        “eventually, no matter how much you store, you will run
        out of supplies.”
        This is why real preppers have plans to live sustainably off the grid.

      • kinjirurm

        I’m pretty convinced that the primary motivation of most preppers isn’t to be prepared. It’s to take part in a post-apocalyptic fantasy. The prepper I’d love to hear about is the one who doesn’t actually believe there’s a need to prep but just does it in case and for a certain fun / hobby factor. Instead, you always see the guy who is just simply convinced that it’s a matter of when, not if, civilization crumbles in his lifetime or his kid’s lifetime.

      • Pipercat

        What about pharmaceuticals? During Ike, there was no fuel, do these preppers plan on distilling ethanol? Perhaps windmills, solar or what? Are they going to farm? Don’t get sick or hurt. Don’t drive because the stations are all out of fuel. Not to be an asshole, but prepping is nothing but pure bullshit. Go out and live sometime a store of supplies. See how long they last. I’ve done that three times now. Making coffee on a backyard grill will always stick out in my mind. The good news, the power was restored and so were all the services. If that doesn’t happen, it’s only a matter of time.

      • Matthew Reece

        People who need pharmaceuticals and can’t make them are SOL. I don’t deny that.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      Gee, I wonder why countries like England have managed to stay intact for centuries…..
      Matthew, would you please explain “the math” for your scenario? I have a bit of a problem accepting, without question, a pronouncement such as “That which mathematically cannot continue will not continue.” Just clue us in on which math formula you are using for the demise of the United States in the near future.

      • Matthew Reece

        The real national debt (including unfunded liabilities) is over $70 trillion. This debt will not be honestly paid. It will result in either a sovereign default or hyperinflation. That is what I mean by “that which mathematically cannot continue will not continue” and “the end of the United States as we know it.”

      • Sean

        Yes, but your 70 trillion dollar figure includes expenses we haven’t incurred yet. This is mostly due assumptions made about future spending in Social Security and Medicare. Those liabilities in the future aren’t really worth very much, given that we can just decrease benefits slightly and those numbers vanish away.

        In regards to sovereign default….we’d have to order it. Hyper inflation is unlikely, even if 70 trillion dollars was owed today, as the current M2 figures are about 10 trillion dollars. Over the next 50 years, we could easily pay 70 trillion in seigniorage with inflation half as much as it was in the beginning of the 1980’s. It’s what’s going to have to happen if democrats won’t decrease spending and republicans won’t increase taxes.

  • mary bohn

    Fortunately, I don’t think most people in TX agree with this, only the most vocal ones. Anyone with common sense knows that TX is a taking state, not a giving one, and the quality of life would drop even further if they try to go it alone. If they do, guess we’ll have to take a more northern route on our next trip west. Don’t want to need a passport to go that way.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      I would agree that a lot of folks here in Texas are sane. Unfortunately, the sane ones never seem to run for office here, or are never elected. I run into people all the time who think Texas would turn into a paradise if it left the Union. They have visions of living as Texans lived in the “good old days”….I swear, though, that half their idea of the “good old days” is derived from Hollywood movies. They see themselves as cattle barons …forgetting that for ever cattle baron, there were a thousand dirt poor cowboys or farmers.

      • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

        They really have absolutely NO CLUE how it was in the “good old days”. Hell, there really weren’t any good ol’ days. These guys have no real knowledge but what is worse is that they don’t want any either.

    • brownp51

      Mary, as a fifth generation Texan, I wish I could agree with your statement. about most Texans not agreeing with this nutcase. I’m afraid the sane ones are in about 4 pockets located in the state, and the others are not just vocal, but are true believers. I am saddened by the state of my state.

  • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

    These idiots talk about how great TX is…(well, at one time was). They bandy about the words secession; but it is like everything else they do – it is a romanticized version of secession. They have no real clue WHAT secession would really mean – they think they will secede & things will go on as normal…But they wouldn’t. We would be a nation & we would be foreign. No trade, unless congress passes it. No representation in Congress – all our fat cat politicians, including Lamar Smith & Teddy Cruz would no longer go to WA & represent TX (& Teddy, Rafael, couldn’t run for Prez). We would have no mail service & no military bases. Fed EX & UPS would have to negotiate with Congress to even continue to deliver parcels to us…All federal prisons would have to house inmates elsewhere & each & every military base would be closed down – even our TX National Guard could be reassigned somewhere else. The banks – especially the national chains – couldn’t operate without permission from the President of the USA. I think tarring & feathering might be too civilized for some of these Yahoos who proposed this if it happened….their lives might be in danger after TX citizens did without for about 5 days…..

    • Pipercat

      Consider the folks like me who have no intention of giving up my US citizenship. Would this new nation buy me out? Would it be swear fealty or be rounded up and deported with just the clothes on our backs? I’d really like to hear the procedures for this possibility.

      • Cathryn Sykes

        All the smart people would leave, and the “good ol’ boys” would be wondering why nothing works anymore.

    • Cathryn Sykes

      Exactly. I swear, if I hear that silly phrase “Texas is a whole ‘nother country!” one more time, I’m going to scream! Hey, secessionists! How’d that work out the last time some states tried it?

      • Pipercat

        That phrase ranks second in my book of nauseating Texas quips. “How ’bout them Cowboys” is number one; but, I guess you would never figure that out! 🙂

      • LLCisyouandme

        What happens when all their “pick-me-up” trucks break and they need to negotiate with Detroit to buy new? Or will they all be soon tooling around in them “foreign” Accords, Hyundais, and the like?

      • Pipercat

        Got some bad news, the Tundra is built in San Antonio…

      • LLCisyouandme

        And all the “cowboys” drive those, right.

      • Pipercat

        Shit no, them thar cowgirls too!

      • Charles Vincent

        It would have worked out better had Jefferson Davis not attacked Fort Sumter and had allowed Lincoln to send provisions to the soldiers there. Man history is fun :~)

  • blake

    what’s wrong with planing for something that COULD happen? this article really is just trolling…supplies no evidence FOR OR AGAINST a stance on federal debt (which in all reality could crumble on itself) where’s the evidence that this is a bad idea? “I am not advocating for Texas to become enemies with America or turn our backs on America, and neither is Smitherman, but there is a very real possibility that the U.S. will fall apart and crumble over things like MASSIVE debt. What will we do if the U.S. falls apart? Do we have a plan for Texans to survive on our own? Are we capable of surviving on our own? The State of Texas should not wait until the U.S. fails to simply be prepared and be capable of surviving IF the U.S. fails.”
    so should every state just sit back IF there was something to happen? not prepare? seems pretty foolish to me.

    • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

      Do YOU live in TX???? If you don’t then you have no idea what upi are talking about. What you advocate for is each state “doing their own thing” … but then sucking the government for all it is worth when the thing blows up in their face.

  • Will Lamar

    If the U.S. were to fall apart, it wouldn’t be the fault of women, gays, black, Muslims, or “massive debt”…it would be the fault of nutbags like this in the GOP that took their proverbial ball and went home because they didn’t get their insane way.

    • PJay

      Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ignatz

    The “Lone Star State.”

    They actually have a STATE FLAG that symbolizes how they aren’t part of the rest of the country.

    At this point, I really wish they’d just get the hell out. Nothing but obstruction, ignorance and problems. Hell, now they’re trying to change the nation’s textbooks to teach students falsehoods and call it “education.” What do they actually contribute?

    • Glenna Jones-Kachtik

      To be fair, no other state flag really symbolizes how they are part of the rest of the country either. I am not sure the state who uses the confederate flag is really good.

      TX does contribute…in the past, we had a Governor who was really into making TX great. Anne Richards was a good governor. The problem was that everyone underestimated Bush/Shrub……

  • Jason

    I say….Give them back to Mexico.

    • pattyp

      I doubt Mexico wants them.

    • Pam_L

      I second that! These people sound as if they WANT this to happen. Who knows if they aren’t actually trying to make it happen, given the way the GOP has acted for the last four and a half years? I think these people are dangerous.

  • Dan Pierce

    GOOD RIDDANCE!!

  • suburbancuurmudgeon

    Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

    • pattyp

      More like the border fence. LOL.

  • tom tee riffic

    Having lived in 8 states while serving our country in the military, 7 year s in TX I can say unequivocally TX is the most grandiose& delusional place I’ve ever lived – even moreso than FL, so this doesn’t surprise me.

  • JphnReedjr

    In the past, if statesmen perceived danger to the Republic they risked everything they had to preserve the republic. If I remember my history, Texas requested to be annexed to the US, not the other way around. And they lost in the war between the states. And petitioned for re-admittance. The attitude that everyone can go it alone, and “do their own thing” without regard for how everyone else is doing is what is ruining this country, not our debt, which is manageable if we want to manage it.

  • timintexas

    sounds like the children’s story of the rabbit and the squirrel. Bet you’ll want the squirrel to be your friend if this does happen!

  • JoeBS

    Texas gets most of its water from other states. (I believe it is currently engaged in a lawsuit with New Mexico regarding this same thing.) Can we expect a Nation of Texas to invade the US to secure its water resources?

  • sickandtired

    Texas give back all the money taken from federal Gov…especially stimulus money and then secede or STFU. IS THIS ALL idiots have to do?

  • Kim Ferrari

    “Falls apart” like how? Like teaching Science in schools, not allowing the Government to slide into Theocracy, and no more tax loopholes for wealthy corporations? Allowing everyone the same rights as granted by the Constitution, or proving that Obama isn’t actually a secret, illegal-alien Muslim-gay-atheist?
    Huh. Looks like they should already be gone. Now, if they could please take Ted Nugent, Pat Robertson, and the Westboro “church” with them…

  • LR

    meanwhile texas is part of the reason the states could fail. texas is such a waste of everything. we should sell it back to mexico for 1 dollar just to be rid of them.

  • TJ

    I wish they’d do it now. Leave a lot more money for the other 49!

  • Gabriel Gentile

    Well… Bye.

  • Donald Montgomery

    It is in no way wrong to be prepared. Texas would do just fine as an independent country. “Wanting” it, however, it another story. These people are self-centered fools who would ruin us all based on their paranoia.

  • walter77777

    This sort-of worries me a bit. I have this theory that the things predicted which seem most outlandish may actually come to pass.
    W.

  • LLCisyouandme

    “Imagine if you had a neighbor who hoarded massive amounts of food, water
    and equipment for the “end of the United States,” would you socialize
    with that person?”

    –that’s true about at least half of the Mormons

  • Mathematicaster

    In fairness, Texas is (at the present time) a net benefactor to the US giving about $1.02 for every $1 received.

  • William

    And of course, the federal debt is largely due to Texans in the first place…

  • sbusbee

    “Imagine if you had a neighbor who hoarded massive amounts of food, water and equipment for the “end of the United States,” would you socialize with that person?

    I know I wouldn’t.”

    Right Allen, Until the natural disaster comes along and you have no bread or toilet paper. Then I’m betting that crazy neighbor will be looking like a pretty good friend to have.
    LOL! Clifton must stay up late at night drinking and thinking up these articles to see how many nutcases he can get riled up.

  • Kristine Evenson

    Texas just needs to secede from the Union and stop wasting time with threats.

  • josh

    “We don’t need your taxes and gun control or women’s lib or forced indoctrination using science books written by scientists instead of school board preachers…. but we will take 14 billion in us taxpayer aid.” Ah. At least they can’t spell ‘hypocritical’… no. Really.

  • Larry

    These people who say such things are not only wrong, they give a horrible impression of real Texas and southerners. Secession would not be good for any state. It is impractical to say the least. Some of their more radical statements are truly sedition if not possible treason in my opinion.

  • Craig Bunting

    Please let these loonies secede. Our debt they worry so much about, that a Texan accrued while in the White House would go away without the free loading oil companies and corporate subsidies of the most corrupt State in the country.

  • Hellon earth

    How
    About give it back to the Comanche, Tonkawa and apache natives

  • Dana

    Speaking to your snide little remark about people saving up food: It isn’t any more radical to put some food and water aside in case of a disaster then it is to save money in the bank for a rainy day. For f?!k’s sake, FEMA tells us to put together supplies. If some people happen to save six months’ worth instead of a week’s, what of it? They might save someone’s sorry butt if they are faced with another Hurricane Katrina. Which, in case you didn’t notice, actually is a risk down in Texas.

    Texan Republicans are stupid and mean, yes. But I’m tired of hearing people being mocked for doing things that MAKE SENSE. If you want to be irresponsible then go right ahead, but don’t make fun of other people for preparing better than you.

  • Bookwench

    GO! Go now…we’ll pack your bags. As a matter of fact, don’t wait to pack…just go, and we’ll send them along to you.
    Anything, just GO!
    PS. Please take the rest of the South with you.

  • Nee Austin

    Austin voted against secession in the Civil War. No way the citizens of Austin would go along with the current plots and schemes of their fantasy world.

  • William Eberline

    For the US to “fall apart and crumble over things like MASSIVE debt”? Seems to me that “MASSIVE debt” is largely the responsibility of two Presidents named Bush, and both of them were from…TEXAS! Do you think we could EXPEL Texas from the United States, before we end up having to pick up the tab for their mental health treatment?

  • roger warde

    I wonder what currency they are planning to use, considering the US dollar will be worthless if the failure they are predicting comes to fruition.

  • Bryn

    the treaty does not allow texas to succeed it is a myth. Once a state joins the usa it ceases to be a state, it can no more leave than you can cut off a finger and call it a person.

  • toceve

    USA as seen from Europe and the world at large, seems to be quite insular as it is. Texas even more so.

  • harrisgwjr

    If the system collapses, there won’t be any federal money coming into the state. So that argument doesn’t fly.

  • marg syn

    This is all coming from the state who gave us George W. Bush. His administration lasted 8 years longer than it should have.

  • It’sMe

    Why wait until the U.S. “collapses”? If you’re so prepared to jump ship, do it. We’re in this together but I guess Smitherman and Bellow don’t see it as that. If they want to become their own little nation let them. I say cut them off, federal money, federal programs, federally funded education and food programs, disaster funds, all of it. Let them fend for themselves. I know all of Texas doesn’t feel this way, and those who oppose what Smitherman and Bellow are suggesting should be able to move to another state and assisted with the expenses of doing so. Military bases – gone, FEMA – gone, protect your own border, deport to your hearts content, come up with your own anthem, your own pledge and use your own flag. Good luck Lone Star

  • powdermonkey

    As soon as that happens, then Mexico invades!

  • Eric James

    Drink the kool aide, live the lie.

  • sugarbooger62

    This is a story because……???

  • Sean

    Regarding in the article: “I guess we should ignore the massive amount of federal dollars Texas receives — something Mr. Smitherman apparently isn’t aware of. I guess he only watches Fox News.”
    Actually we should ignore the federal spending in Texas because Texas pays 53.6 billion dollars more in taxes than the federal government spends there. That’s makes Texas the 9th largest contributor to the federal government’s revenue per capita and 3rd largest in absolute terms.

  • Jackie Davis

    Then quit asking for Obamacare funds.

  • Eight

    …actually, according to CGP Grey, Texas would do just fine as a state on their own. Remember: Federal funds are distributed based on needs and other criteria — and Texas receives LESS than it pays into the federal government. That and with their, uh, infrastructure, industry, trade options… it could theoretically work.

    Too bad it has been basically said, flatly, that there is no constitutional basis for secession. So, the country would literally have to CEASE TO EXIST in any form for them to be independent… which they would be anyways if that came to pass.

    I just hate when people pull the “then let’s pull the funding from their red asses” card without actually taking the facts into account.

  • Jim Wiggin

    Also funny that Smitherman specifically mentions “roads” as something that Texas will provide independantly just a few weeks after it was announced that hundreds of miles of Texan roads will be returned to gravel because there is no federal funding to repair them.

  • sallie matthews

    Do you know any other state where kids pledge allegiance to Texas? It’s a very, very, strange place.

  • xnerd

    If those assbillies secided, they would be instantly invade but Mexico and we would get the best laugh of our lives

  • ReadMore

    Why wait? It would be a blessing to the rest of us to get rid of publicity slags Rick Perry and Ted Cruz. Just make sure to get your passports in order, before you leave. As much as you hate immigrants, it will be a great sideshow to watch you being arrested as illegals for crossing into Oklahoma or New Mexico without papers 🙂

  • texican

    Those who fail to plan, plan to fail…
    Apparently planning for contingencies, such as the bankrupting of America, isn’t something one should do… like it’s unpatriotic or something…