The Real Reason Why Republicans Pretend to Care About Benghazi

hillaryclintonJust before this past November’s elections, on September 11, 2012, there was an attack on the American embassy in Benghazi, Libya resulting in 4 American deaths.

This was the moment conservatives had been waiting for, something to spin in order to create some kind of conspiracy hoping to make a last ditch effort to defeat President Obama.  They needed this because they damn sure knew Romney couldn’t do it on his own.

What followed was pathetic.  “Shocked and appalled” conservatives all across the country trying to make Benghazi into the next Watergate scandal.

They did everything they could to try and muddy the waters just enough to make people think Obama and his administration were generating some elaborate conspiracy to cover up incompetence.

I would elaborate on the “cover up” but the theories vary greatly from Republican to Republican.  Even the most vocal critic of Obama’s handling of Benghazi, John McCain, admitted there was indeed no cover up.  There’s even the new one where Obama is preventing, and threatening, individuals from testifying about Benghazi—only Republicans seem unable to provide any proof of this.  Well, proof that isn’t from right-wing blogs that make up “proof.”

In fact, if you read through all these ridiculous theories (which trust me, you don’t want to do—it’s a mess of “What the hell are these people babbling about?”) their whole “conspiracy” breaks down to 3 key points:

  1. Some wording was changed to omit references to a terrorist attack in the original briefing, which as it turned out Obama had nothing to do with.
  2. Military forces could have been utilized to possibly save lives.  Which the official DoD report details the timeline of the events, clearly showing they acted swiftly but ultimately didn’t have enough time to deploy troops to save the 4 Americans killed during the attack.
  3. Hillary Clinton was incompetent in her duty as Secretary of State.

What you didn’t hear mentioned by the likes of Fox News, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh and their fellow fear mongers was that Congressional Republicans had voted in both 2011 and 2012 to cut funding for embassy security.

In fact, the Obama administration had requested more funding for embassy security—but this was denied by House Republicans to a tune of cuts for embassy funding by $138 million in 2011 and $331 million in 2012.

But the only thing we need to pay attention to in this is #3, to make Hillary Clinton seem incompetent.  When they realized their fear mongering, and pathetic attempts to politicize 4 American deaths, wasn’t going to defeat Obama—they realized this was their only hope to defeat Hillary if she decides to run in 2016.

They know that if Clinton runs in 2016, she will crush anyone they decide to run against her.  So what else can they do?  They need to create some kind of “boogeyman” to use against her—and that’s what they’ve been trying to do.

Hell, Rand Paul called the Benghazi attack the worst event since 9/11.  That tells you all you need to know about how out of touch and delusional these people are with their attempts to attack Hillary Clinton.

I always find it ironic how so many conservatives claim to care about 4 American deaths in Benghazi, when they voted for George W. Bush twice.  You remember him, right?  The President responsible for over 5,000 American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, who had intelligence prior to 9/11 yet did nothing, who invaded a country with the threat of WMD’s (yet found zero) and while Bush was President we saw 11 embassies attacked by terrorists.

What this “outrage” about Benghazi really stems from was the last ditch effort to try and defeat President Obama last November, and the beginnings of their groundwork to try and defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016.

But what it comes down to for me is this: If you voted for a man who’s responsible for over 5,000 American deaths, and was President when over 11 different American embassies were attacked—you should probably save this “outrage” over 4 deaths in Benghazi.

Especially when you didn’t seem to mind Americans dying while you were voting for George W. Bush.  Because if you did, you damn sure wouldn’t have re-elected him.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Good job as always Allen. I really love reading your work. It is some of the most concise and insightful commentary you can find out there in progressive media right now.

  • WGAF

    It didn’t work. Did it……

    • Not with you anyway. You would drink their Communist Kool Aid no matter what flavor they put in front of you.

      • Blowme

        You’re going to the FEMA camp jerkoff.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Camp Jerkoff? Where is it located?

      • opie dog

        Hey shayn, Your a low information retardlican. You need to leave this thread to the grown ups.
        Listen to glenn beck and fox news where everybody speaks in silly catchwords
        and phrases for simpletons like you to understand. You will feel much
        better about your self that way. Run along now, be a good little moron.

      • lol, I wonder what Republicans will do when everyone who lived through the cold war is dead. Once no one remembers the horrible threat of Communism from over two decades ago, what will the boogeyman be?

        The threat from Communist countries is long past, and if our government incorporates some aspects of another form of government, it doesn’t make our government a communist government. Plenty of European countries have had socialized medical care (truly socialized, not the socialized-light that is Obamacare), and guess what? They’re not run by Communist dictatorships! They took the parts that made sense (like making affordable medical treatment available to everyone), and left the parts that didn’t on the cutting room floor.

        No one form of government is perfect, there’s no reason we can’t borrow aspects from another to improve our own lives. You’re just terrified of a boogeyman from over two decades ago, because they tell you that you should be afraid.

        Who is drinking the cool-aid again?

  • spot on!

  • Hillary Clinton has emerged stronger than ever. This is why Republicans have been feverishly redistricting and trying to suppress votes in all the states. Their only hope is to prevent people from voting, rig the voting machines, confuse the people and cheat, cheat, cheat. On top of that, the Koch Bros. and the Republicans and the Mitt Romneys of this country will be allowed to contribute billions of $$$$$ to try to defeat her with lies and whatever fixes they can accomplish.

    • Republicans only try to prevent the criminals and illegal aliens from voting, which makes up more than 50 percent of the Democratic voting block. The Associated press just stopped referring to illegal aliens/immigrants as “undocumented”. Perhaps the most accurate label for an illegal alien is “unregistered Democrat”.

      • Jamie Raunig

        Spoken like a true Republican; spew racist comments with no proof to back up the pathetic attempt to insult the opposition. Shove your head back into the sand, Shayn, and breath deep.

      • JTV

        Spoken like a true Liberal. Resort to the “you’re a racist” remark.

      • LPW

        Well, if it looks like spade and talks like a spade. . . .

      • Well, are you really resorting to “you’re a racist” if they are blatantly being racist? Shayn is grasping at all sort of fake bs to accuse democrats of, is it really not fair to point out he’s being a racist prick?

      • Thomas Dobbins

        So, your President isn’t trying to acquire 10 to God knows how many new Democrat voters through the “Immigration reform” bills…? And the bill doesn’t have a $$$ slush fund for La Raza, etc to “educate them to make the transition easier”….? Etc, etc, if Bush had proposed this BS you libs would have crapped your lungs out!

      • How dreary and stupid.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Bush proposed immigration reform because his bidness buddies like cheap labor. He got shot down by his own party.

      • No I wouldn’t have, because I’m not a hard liberal or conservative. I support the policies that make sense to me. My favorite elected official is Bernie Sanders. He’s very critical of some of Obama’s policies and he’s an independent.

        I dislike some of the things Obama has done. If we really want to talk about a heinous act taken by our sitting President, lets talk about the NDAA and the way it authorized indefinite detention of American citizens for very broadly defined acts.

        However, I think Benghazi is ridiculous because there have been plenty of attacks just like this one under Bush, and no one was outraged. The Republicans are just as at fault as anyone, if not more so, for voting down legislation to secure proper security for US Embassies abroad. The Benghazi story broke at such an opportune time, just before the elections, and the bullshit factory that is Fox News ran with it hard.

        This is just a case of one party politicizing a tragedy (and not an uncommon one, considering all of the similar attacks and the much larger body-count from those attacks under the previous administration) to attempt to derail an opponent’s campaign.

        It’s ridiculous not only because of the fake outrage at an event that happened at least 30 times over during the previous administration with NO outrage, but because the Republicans carry plenty of blame in the tragedy themselves for voting against better security.

        The Benghazi story is only covered by Fox News, and the narrative they present is (as always) very one-sided. In reality, this tragedy is on all of our elected officials, and their absolute inability to set aside petty differences and come together to get things that need to be done, done.

        Both parties have their issues in our broken system, and the sooner people wake up from that and realize that neither “side” is right, and that we’re all being distracted from the real issues, and they’re not Benghazi, that’s just another distraction. In fact, anything you see on Fox News is usually meant to distract you from an actual real issue. If you just watch Fox News, then research the issues they present to get both sides of the story, you’ll probably figure out what the real issue that needs to be solved is, and 9 times out of 10, it won’t be the issue that the right or left presented, because both sides are too busy trying to win political points by pandering to our fears and proposing solutions to fake problems to actually solve any of the real problems that are making our lives more difficult.

      • Schmidt Head

        Exactly how does one crap their lungs out??

      • Jay Dwyer

        Dont ask…its vivid!

      • andanotherthing

        no, BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans are courting the illegal immigrant vote. Both parties, ALL of Washington is selling the future of American born citizens to buy foreign votes. And I have read many news articles, and most importantly HUNDREDS of
        comments to those news stories but have not found one single comment that supports this from the American public. And guess what – both parties will pass this bill and do you know why? It is because of people that refer to the president as ‘your president’; people that refer to the speaker as ‘your speaker’; people that piss and moan about what ‘the other party does’ even when they realize that their own party is doing the very same thing. People that allow the powers in Washington to DIVIDE us for their benefit.

      • Ask yourself this- when was the first “amnesty for illegal aliens?” Never mind, I’ll do it for you. Look up the “Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.” That would be under…*gasp*… Ronnie Reagen!!!

      • Jamie Raunig

        I didn’t say, ”you’re a racist”. I said you spew racist comments. I suppose I should have just called you a jerk.

      • I Once Was Andrew

        Wow, you should be a conservative talk show host too — you show an astonishing ability to make things up on the spot.

      • Guest

        LORD HAVE MERCY GURL! what orifice did you pull that load of crap out of? Are we living in the same country? The be Merica Sista with an “A”!

      • LORD HAVE MERCY GURL! what orifice did you pull that load of crap out of? Are we living in the same country? This be Merica Sista with an “A”!

      • Um…undocumented persons can’t vote, Shayn. If you have any evidence that they do, please share that with us. Otherwise, shut the f**k up. Thank you for attending to this.

      • Dead, felons and nursing home residents in comas seem well represented

      • Jason

        By the republican voting bloc. Go ahead and do some research, you’ll find all the voter fraud belongs to the republican side of the house. A couple of big scandals this past election cycle. Amusing irony.

      • Criminals and illegal aliens make up 50% of the Democratic voting block? LOL…I’ve read some inane, baseless, moronic comments recently, but that one takes the cake…LMAO!!!!!!

      • I so cant wait for 2014 so we can finally get the Tea party folks like you out of office and we canf inally get things done without the so called lying Rep doing and cheating to what they can to get what they want and then what really makes me sick is to hide behind god with your beliefs thinking that god is really backing your racist and senless I deas

      • Do you have any stats from a reliable source on those numbers? By the by, “out of your ass” isn’t a reliable source.

        There are no problems with “voter fraud.” It’s not a real problem, just meant to make it more difficult for minorities and the poor to vote.

        What criminals? Unless you’re a felon, you don’t lose the right to vote just because you’ve committed a crime. There are plenty of republicans who are criminals. Whether you’re a criminal or not is due to your upbringing, your situation, and your own choices, not so much to do with your political affiliation. Nobody goes out and commits a crime because they’re a republican or a democrat. What a stupid generalization.

      • The recount and investigation im Minnesota Senate race where the clown Al Franken was elected by a plurality less than the number of felons that voted.
        Oh, the poor and minorities have such a time voting, that picture ID is so discriminatory. It’s easy to get SSI, WIC , HUD, and what ever the hell they call foodstamps now.

      • Again, do you have any real proof of that? I want a link from a reliable source, not just you saying that it happened because you say it did.

      • As opposed the what I could have sworn was uneducated southerns and the super rich voting for republicans. Most younger and more educated people vote democratic. That should say a lot.

      • It says more about you. Progressives are sooooo tolerant. Politics of division, blacks here, Hispanics here, women here, students uh STUDENTS here. We’ll pander to each of you individually. Nothing new, same promises every 4 years, we can always count on you.

      • Yea, it’s horrible to promise your constituents you’ll try to listen to their voices.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Prove criminals and illegal aliens are voting. That isn’t why Obama has won, TWICE. It’s your policies.

      • Jeff Mathis

        You are part of the reason why the GOP is going off the deep end. Your so called info comes from bogus wing nut sources like Limbaugh, and Fox news. Guess what? They are going to screw your dumb ass too. You just don’t have the intellect to understand how you are being used. I am a 30 year Republican that left the party because of idiots like you.

      • Oh, please. Show us some documentation proving that over half of Democrats are criminals or illegal aliens.

  • nd47

    Has anybody asked the Republicans if they hadn’t cut the CIA’s budget and restricted what they could do and how they could go about getting information– if that didn’t have something to do with the fact that they may have been short on intel–because of the republican restrictions and limitations…Or maybe the republicans think the world should be so afraid of them that intel would not be needed? Just asking…

    • truthinrealitynow

      Regardless of budget cuts you work with what you have just as every business in the world must do. You prioritize. The fact that there was no protection at this embassy is proof that there are problems with how things are being run.

      • Lonnie

        Bhenghazi was NOT an embassy.

      • truthinrealitynow

        So your saying Mother Jones was incorrect when it made reference to embassy in its article? Incorrect when it tries to tie this to house cutting EMBASSY funding? Incorrect when they mention Obama tried to increase funding for EMBASSY’s? If so, seems the majority of the points in this entire article are now irrelevant.

      • Lonnie is correct. Benghazi is a consulate.

      • truthinrealitynow

        Exactly! So why is MJ making so many references to embassy? Why the references to cutting funds for EMBASSY protection? Are they considered the same for funding?

      • Because the embassy was ALSO relatively unprotected. The security team was pulled in Aug. against their recommendations. Got to make it look peacefully normal so the President’ s boast about terrorist would look good.

      • You are correct. And the budget constraints limited security to 14 persons. Given the disparity of assets (people, documents, equipment) between Tripoli, site of the Embassy, and Benghazi, site of the consulate, it made sense to place four at Benghazi and 10 at the Embassy.

        What is the role of the Marines in Embassies? Ask someone. Possibly some of this will sort out among those that do not understand what happened and why.

      • Jason

        Benghazi wasn’t an embassy, and there was protection. It just turned out not to be adequate. Seriously, do you people even read, or do you just listen to Rush and Glenn all day?

      • truthinrealitynow

        I read just fine. Apparently you don’t. In your rush to defend your liberal friends you apparently didn’t read the article. You should be criticizing Mother Jones. They make multiple references to EMBASSY. This is straight from the beginning of the article. “Just before this past November’s elections, on September 11, 2012, there was an attack on the American embassy in Benghazi, Libya resulting in 4 American deaths.”

        As for protection, I guess you haven’t been watching the latest testimony.

    • There hasn’t been a real budget cut since the Truman Administration, you know, the end of WWII. OH, that’s right, we haven’t had a budget since Obama’s first year. Harry Reid got a 6 month budgets to Bush and. Obama. Buzh had TARP and Obama has the porkulus.
      It must be the House, but , Harry Reid wanted continuing resolutions because it included 700,000,000 TARP and 890,000,000 porkulus. That’s how Obama has the smallest rate of increase in spending he’s so proud of.

      • Schmidt Head

        Huh??? That made no sense at ALL? You must have got some of the lies you heard all mixed up. Debriefing is in order.

      • He’s using Republican math, and showing his ignorance of how the government runs. We’ve had a budget. The silly bill that created the stimulus back during the debt ceiling crisis was a budget. But it is convenient to demonize the other guys for “not passing a budget”. Lets put it like this- you have a household budget. You have bills that come due every month, and then everything else. If you are one of those types that writes it all down and does automatic payments, you’ve pretty much got a formal budget. If you wing it, you have a rough plan and just decide each item as it comes along. You think about getting cable or netflix, and decide if it fits in your budget, even if you haven’t written down any details. The real budget- the thing the CBO refers to- consists of all the appropriations bills plus required spending. All the much touted budgets like Paul Ryan’s are are outlines- similar to me saying “I need X for rent and utilities, Y for transportation, and Z for food and healthcare, after I pay my credit card bills”, and the rest covers anything else. There are not details.

        If you bother to google, you will find budget numbers listed for every year it is claimed we “don’t have a budget”. Because the piece of legislation fought over is the “budget resolution”, not the actual budget. Our “budget” might include our UN dues and full funding for NCLB. Congress then doesn’t vote to spend the money for either. It is a guideline, not a legally binding divvying up of funds.

  • So in your alternate reality Mr. Clifton, Susan Rice did not trot out and try to blame the entire Benghazi incident on a movie? If you tell a lie often enough, you even start believing it. Of course, Muslim Barry, your idol, used to teach the tactics of Saul Alinsky, the man who dedicated his book to Lucifer, the King of all liars.

    • Blowme

      Suck shit asswipe!

    • Moosie

      the President of the United States is referred to as Mr. President or Mr Obama. With your childish referral to him as a Muslim shows nothing but your pathetic lack of maturity and respect for the highest office. Instead of thoughtful intelligent dialogue, you offer dribble.

      • It’s spelled “drivel,” but your word works, too.

    • ichibon

      What a douche bag.

    • Anyone who knows Saul Alinsky knows that is false; obviously you know NOTHING about him. Go research it for yourself. Spreading LIES and mistruths is wrong, wrong, wrong – YOU and your ilk are what’s wrong with this country.

    • Ah, let’s just leave Shayn’s post stand on its own as testimony as to his character and comprehension skills.

    • WTF? Nurse! get this gurl her medication. She has gone off the deep end. Lay off the fruitloops Shayn.

    • FlyOnTheWall

      Lol…thats the best you can come up with? Those are not even half truths….they are just plain faery tails. You sound desperate….it must be because the american public is tired of your decades of lieing to them……they no longer believe the lies….the republicans a quickly becoming irellevant.

    • Still listening to Faux news Shayn?

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      No, she did not. She said what the CIA told her to say. Then we found out the CIA had a clandestine operation going on.

      So, just as a reminder of what happened under Bush:

      June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

      February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Truck bomb kills 17.

      February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

      July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan. Suicide bomber kills two.

      December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

      March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

      September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria. Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

      January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece. A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

      July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey. Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

      March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen. Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.

      September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen. Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles,
      grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

      • How many Americans died in those attacks? Blaming Bush is not going to take away from the fact that someone lied about this attack. I am willing to wait for the hearings tomorrow to find out more about this.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Who cares? Why are American deaths more tragic than anyone else’s? Who lied? Rice said what the CIA told her to say because the CIA wasn’t supposed to be there? And why aren’t you as upset about Bush lying to get us into Iraq and the 4000 dead there? Is lying OK when it’s a Republican but not when it’s a Democrat?

  • OMG will you stop giving us facts and telling the truth. Its so unrepublican. Peace

  • Dear Allen: since u embody the progressive movement…does that mean ur a Teddy Roosevelt kind of guy? just asking…& if that’s the case…I will b following ur facebook page…TR was awesome!!!…wish he was around now!!!

  • d

    People do your homework, don’t decide what is right or wrong depending on whether you are a democrat or republican. Look in to this deeply and find out if anyone was lying about what happened and if so why they were lying. Listen to Fox and other mainstream media get the whole story, If someone is lying think about it don’t just decide if you like Hillary or not. That has nothing to do with the facts. You can’t discount four lives who were begging for help and justify it because other people have died in wars, Thats a rediculus way to look at it.

    • Tony

      I’m not sure anyone is burying their head in the sand here. Anyone commenting on this is well versed in the details from all angles. This is one of those details that’s important. Isn’t that part of “figuring out who is lying”?

      No one is discounting those lives. But in a world where every Republican screams at you for using gun deaths as a “political tool”, the reaction is certainly hypocritical.

      There’s a reason why McCain and Graham have been striking out time and time again going after their conspiracies on this.

    • You lost me completely at “Listen to Fox and other mainstream media get the whole story…..”

    • FlyOnTheWall

      Where were you when the carlyle group was investing in war treasuries? Youknow….the one run by both the Bush Family AND the Bin Laden family……who had everything to gain from letting the world trade centers fall. 4 american deaths are sad, but then why did the republicans vote to cut embassy funding twice! Come on, we all know the lies and skul duggery the republicans engage in. that is why they are losing thir grip on power, and are becoming obsolete.

      • I’ve been asking myself that same question since 9/11. Since 19 of the 21 hijackers were Saudis, why did Pres Bush let the Saudi royal family leave the US that night, even though all planes were grounded? Why was he seen during his entire presidency holding hands with Saudi men and kissing them?

        He received a memo in July 2001 entitled “Al Queda to Attack in the US”. Dubya ignored it and went on a MONTH’S vacation in August to Crawford TX. Once he is investigated and prosecuted for the murders of over 3500 citizens on US soil, then we can move on to Benghazi.

        Just imagine how the rightwingnuts would react if Pres Obama was away from the White House for 31 days???

    • Good post, but don’t expect much comprehension here.

  • Eric

    too bad Hilary is a terrible choice for progressives to vote into office.

    • CLINTON 2016 !!

    • Dbolog

      Clinton 2016!! YES!

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      CLINTON/WARREN 2016!!!

  • Tony

    I don’t believe Republicans have suddenly become more genuinely interested in details. There’s an ulterior motive and I agree with what you’re saying here. It’s been my thought for a long time, I imagine many people think so.

    After the lack of investigation with the Iraq War? They turn around and seemingly give this more of a focus. After Republicans vote against better armor and vehicles for our soldiers in combat? They’re pissed that a consulate might have had less protection than it needed.

    I can’t even put that together. The handling of this is a joke — although I’ve noticed when I say that, my Republican acquaintances don’t focus on the substance of what I’ve said before. They get mad that I think 4 people dying is a “joke”, as if that’s remotely what I’ve said.

    I don’t think it’s a joke. But apparently you think taking care of our soldiers and wondering why we’re getting into wars is comparatively “unimportant”, apparently. If only they put this effort against anything else in the last 15 years.

    • Well Tony, I don’t know what your background is but I have some first hand experience with the military. There is always some bigger, better, faster, safer, but rarely cheaper. It takes time to update equipment, hardware and weapons. I flew, what would be today, a substandard aircraft. Big whop, you do what you can with what you got,
      WWII pilots flew B-17’s when B-29’s were available. A crime?

      • Tony was right, Don. You posted without reading all of his post, and you are totally missed the point. Cheaper? It always comes down to that for you guys, doesn’t it? Doesn’t matter to you that it might be safer, more efficient, and it saves our sons lives (if they get ‘it’ at all), but it’s all about the cost to you.

        Typical, and expected.

        Benghazi was YOUR fault, Don. You, and your political ilk. You cheaped out, and we paid for it in the long run.

        You proved our point, Don. Unintentionally, but nonetheless, you proved it for us. Thanks.

      • And I think you missed some of Don’s point. It isn’t always a cost issue but a logistical issue, and that more expensive equipment doesn’t always make you safer.

        Nice Bronco, by the way.

      • Tony

        Everything pointed to what they had not even being sufficient. We’re not talking about bringing in the Six Million Dollar Man here.

  • SATAN IS THE FATHER OF ALL LIES ….. SOMEHOW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FIGURES THATS THEIR MAIN LINE OF DEFENCE NOWDAYS .

  • Mr.Smith

    What the re-election of G.W Bush amounted to after all the criticism was, “its his mess and he should be the one to clean it up to save his legacy.” When the fact is, it could have been cleaned up a lot sooner if he had not been re-elected and quite possibly saving the economic crash of 2008. The only way the mess of the first bush administration could have been cleaned up by Bush in his second term was if he completely changed his policies. Which wasn’t going to happen with the “stay the course and hope for the best” philosophy he lived by.
    By the way, I’m a conservative Republican, I just happen to have a free thinking brain that believes in country over politics. Except for a couple local republicans that I admire I have voted democrat my entire life because of the “pseudo conservative movement” that started in the 80’s with the Reagan administration, who I voted against by the way because I saw what he stood for.

    • After reading your comments Mr. Smith, there is a word the describes people like you. “Democrat”. Nothing wrong with that, just don’t delude yourself.

      • Mr.Smith

        No I am what is called an old school republican. Once upon a time republicans did in fact work with democrats for the common good, examine your history. With all of the ideology, “evangelical conservatism” which by the way is nothing more then a small group of people wanting to “:conserve” the gravy and pie for themselves all the while hiding behind god and Jesus which they absolutely have no true belief in, they only use it to gain control of weak minded people, they are trying to corral the american people and steal our wealth. I use to be a republican insider and was drummed out because I would not allow myself to be corrupted into their ideology. This is the reason true republicans no longer exist, once it is known that you won’t play ball they kick you off the team and out of the park. I am ashamed at what my party has become, the only reason I stay with is is the hope that my vote can help the rare exception get his foot in the door to help change the direction of the down word spiral. I am what use to be called a “fiscal conservative social moderate” That term no longer exists.

      • Schmidt Head

        You are so right, Mr. Smith, about what has happened to Republicans. I have had no choice but to disavow my affiliation with the party though. I am more than proud to come out as a Democrat now. The party that really does care about people and does not obstruct every legislation vindictively just to try to bring our President down. People? They don’t matter any more to my former party. It’s shameful and downright criminal. And Benghazi is just one of the many shames they have perpetuated to bring about ruination. Under the guise of religious convictions, they are very adept at spewing hate and lies. Very few left who can actually be considered “old school”….aka honorable.

      • Ike was the last true Republican, true to the cause of conservatism in it’s text book sense. His warning has, as I need not tell you in particular, Mr. Smith, has come true.

        We ignored him at our peril and we let the nation and its governing bodies and individuals take it from us to hand over to the plutocrats. This is going to be a long hard fight to get our country back.

        And I do wish conservatives would do it. In a sense they are the only hope. Not pseudo conservatives, self serving idiots willing to destroy the country to enrich themselves, but real conservatives willing to share the load, reserve our treasure, husband our resources and follow through on the many issues that must be faced.

      • I’m right there with you Mr. Smith. I too has always been a Republican until recently.

      • I salute you, your honesty and incisiveness. I would gladly shake your true Republican hand and hope for a day when people of common sense like you take over the Republican Party again and we can once again move forward.

      • doughpro

        You are not an “old school republican”. MLK Jr was part of that republican group that you are now denigrating, and what you are describing is nothing more than progressive BS. If you were, in fact, an “old school republican”, you would have voted for Reagan–especially if you understood what he stood for, as you claim. Reagan was one of the few presidents who could get both sides to work together.

      • doughpro

        Reagan: “I believe the best social program is a job”.
        Any true republican or conservative, I don’t care how far back you go, would never vote against that philosophy.

      • Annie Jaworski

        you are a Republican that doesn’t exist anymore. When Republicans and Democrats changed positions in the mid-20th century, those southern bigoted Democrats (dixiecrats) switched to Republican. (I’m southern but not conservative.) Party name is irrelevant. It’s what the philosophy is behind it. You, sir, are a progressive. Republicans used to be progressives. No one was more progressive than Lincoln. But not any longer.

      • doughpro

        Your history is a bit skewed.

      • Keith Silvas

        what you speak of is now referred to as “libertarian.”

      • Dee_Lemon

        No, there are Republicans who are disgusted by what has become of the conservative movement. There used to be intellectuals in the Republican party, but the current crop running the party is guaranteeing that it continue to be, as Bobby Jindahl so aptly described, “the Stupid Party.” Conservatives weren’t always knee-jerk, anti-woman, pro-gun, anti-science, anti-immigrant (well, anti-all-brown-people), conspiracy mongers. It’s not only Democrats who think the current Republican party is bats#%t crazy, it’s everyone with a functioning brain. When your leading voices are Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, the cast of Fox “News”, and of course the congressional delegation; I think you’re in big trouble.

      • Nothing wrong with conservative Republicans, they just aren’t enough of them. The Constitution restricts progressives, they empower a conservative.

    • Mr. Smith, despite the semi-criticisms you may be receiving, I find your statements interesting and brave. I admire the party of I Like Ike, and find his past words to be patriotic and true. In several cases, they were eerily prescient (I think that’s the right word.) True Republicans like yourself have been stifled too long, and I look forward to a day when people such as you reclaim your party. The country may move forward again at that time. I salute you, sir, and would gl

  • JustMyThoughts

    The article makes one assumption that is not as clear as it sounds: did we really elect W? I believe he lost the first election but was brought in by the Supreme Court (who, in my opinion, blew it). Just one person’s opinion. (Read Sandra Day O’Connor’s recent interview.)

    • I’ve always suspected that the Supreme Court simply kept Gore from stealing the election like Al Franken did in MN. The more those Democrats count, the more ballots mysteriously appear!

      • Victor Lequerique

        Are you kidding me or what? GWB won because of Florida votes. Florida’s governor was his brother and the director of elections in the state was a republican. The night before the election Gore was beating Bush. The next day surprisingly GWB is winning by a hair. And eventually looses because of votes from a huge democratic voting block in SE Florida. Strange? 2+2=4

      • Victor Lequerique

        Ooops, GWB won because SE Florida voted for him. An area that was, is and will always be a huge democratic block. Oh and yes, I lived in Florida at the time. It looks to me as as the fraud came from the republican party.

    • Every recount done by every major newspaper (NYTimes, Miami whatever) none shows that Gore won. Thank heaven for little favors.

  • MrBeale

    Nailed it. Good job.

    • X-republican

      X=Republican: Don’t know why it took me so long to make the change. I know many Republicans who have gotten tired of the lies and fear tactics. Show me the proof of what you are saying. It is not there. What is worse is you know it isn’t there which makes you Republicans even bigger liars. Hillary will win because you are so intent on telling lies about her that you can’t see any shortcomings she may have. Truth always eventually wins over lies.

  • Perfect logic. Now, could we just translate it into something that conservatives and Republiclowns could easily read? Might I suggest a color by number or pop-ups?

  • If Hillary runs in 2016, they wil not need Bengazi to hold against her. I like her. I like her a lot and I know she’d do a great job, but the US only just got used ot the idea of a black man being president. Are we sure they’ll put a woman in office?

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      Oh, HELL YES! Look at what the Republicans have had to offer in the past 12 years. Dubya, McCain/MILF, Romney, Paul, Pizza Guy, Santorum, RIck “oops, I forgot” Perry.

  • Wow you’ve had the benefit of all of the testimony already! Good for you! The Republicans cared then because Obama claimed “al queda is on the run”… while they clearly were not. The Republicans cared because 4 men lost their lives because the administration, for whatever reason, refused to render aid. The Republicans care because it was an immediate cover-up to hide the fact that it was a terrorist attack; instead blaming the issue on a non-existant protest over a film nobody saw. Your own party is now throwing Rice under the bus and Hillary is next. Hillary is finished. And why do you care about Bush anyway? According to the WH press secretary; Benghazi was sooooo long ago. Bush was even longer ago. This issue is Watergate with bodies. If the press did their job, Obama would be finished… Of course if they did their job he wouldn’t have been elected the first time.

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      So, do I need to remind you of the 60 embassy/consulate deaths under Bush??? Or the fact that Rice said what the CIA told her to say.

      You clowns thought Obama would be defeated in 2012. How did that work out for ya, eh?

      • I guess you do… which deaths were those? And was there a plea for help that was denied? If not; it’s a different issue. And we’ll find out who it was who gave Rice her marching orders… I guarantee it was not the CIA. OH CRAP!!! I bit on this… I HATE it when I do that. I brought up the reasons Republicans care and rather than refuting or making a counter-point, you changed the subject… and I nearly let you get away with it.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Republicans don’t care about anyone except themselves and their rich buddies. And there was NO denial of help. But, obviously, you don’t like the truth. You can’t prove the CIA didn’t tell Rice what to say, can you?

        So, just as a reminder of what happened under Bush:

        June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

        February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Truck bomb kills 17.

        February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

        July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan. Suicide bomber kills two.

        December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

        March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

        September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria. Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second
        truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

        January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece. A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

        July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey. Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

        March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen. Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.

        September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen. Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

      • There are just as many rich Democrats; so knock of the class warfare (ever been to Hollywood?) Calls for additional security were DENIED, calls for aid were DENIED. Special Forces that were prepared to deploy were ordered to stay on the ground. Pay attention and you might learn something. And by the way; since you clearly do not understand Republicans; don’t try to tell us what and who we care about… you aren’t qualified.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Rich Hollywood Democrats didn’t wreck our economy and then demand a bailout..

        And I understand Republicans all too well. So did a majority of the country last November. You looked the other way when Bush lied about Iraq. You can’t stand the idea of a BLACK, Democratic president who is a lot more popular than Dubya.

      • No, the guys who supported “homes for everyone” (which was actually both parties) lead by Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and even Obama himself (Google Obama Citibank 1995) destroyed the economy. We invaded Iraq because of treaty violations (repeated ejection of weapons inspectors). You want a liar? Check out Benghazi.

      • Tony

        I’m amazed that people are still beating this dead horse. You have no idea what destroyed the economy if that’s your prime thing to blame.

      • There is no dead hose to beat. The mortgage meltdown was the underlying factor. Next topic.

      • Special forces ( a team of I believe 4) would have arrived too late, and probably killed (SF is good, but 25 to one is bad odds if you can’t get there in time to prevent it). Had the SF been sent, we’d be hearing about the administration stupidly wasting American lives in a futile gesture just to try and show they were “doing something”. Lady Lindsey and Grumpy McCain are going to play their hawk cards and criticize everything and anything. No one was in position. No one could have saved the Ambassador. Should there have been better security and intel? Yes. Should anyone be surprised when we have rioting outside several other embassies because of the video that before investigations could get beyond guesswork they put out it was likely riots due to the video that extremists took advantage of. The “cover up” wasn’t anything Obama or even Hillery had anything to do with.
        A congressman was asked right after Benghazi about the republican cuts to the security budget, and he was “in a time of fiscal austerity priorities have to be set”, and embassy security wasn’t a priority. He was pretty much “Oh well”- not a second of regret that the cuts to the budget may have cost 4 lives. That right there tells anyone with 2 brain cells this is not about a “cover-up”, or the sanctity of American lives, but all about finding dirt to try and shovel onto Obama.

      • You haven’t been keeping up have you? I don’t understand why there was a coverup… but there was a coverup. A gun ship could absolutely have been on site before this was over (nobody knew how long we could hold out); but we never even asked for air clearance. There were no budget cuts at the time of this attack; it was pre-sequestor and we’ve spent more money every year in every area… so that’s a red herring. Had anybody said “9/11 is approaching and the ground leadership in Syria has asked for more security”; the Republicans would have absolutely supported it… but it NEVER happened. I appreciate your loyalty and desire to defend the Administration; but this is indefensible. And everybody understands it (even MSNBC is starting to get it).

    • Dee_Lemon

      Thank you for perfectly illustrating the author’s points.

  • TheHud

    Well, except for the fact that the second highest ranking U.S. official in Libya has stated on the record that they knew it was a terrorist attack from the very beginning. Then Rice hit the Sunday circuit making excuses and blaming a US citizen (will one of you be the next scapegoat?) for instigating the attack, a blatant lie, she directly contradicted what the Libyan leader had stated thus creating major diplomatic fissure. On top of all that the administration set up the consulate in a difficult to secure building because they did not want to use a proper fortified structure, as it may insult the Libyans, never mind that it made our that much easier to target. Yeah, you’re all over the facts there Allen.

    • blakeadamssooners

      Rice said that the attack appeared to be more “spontaneous” than “planned.”

      A terrorist attacked doesn’t have to be “planned.”

      There was never any equivocation about it being a terrorist attack.

      Of course, there is legitimate criticism that can be leveled regardless of how “planned” the attack was, but the Republicans are too inept to make it.

      The fact is that a more or less “spontaneous” terrorist attack means the Obama administration is even more incompetent. If you can’t stop a spontaneous attack, you can’t stop a planned one.

      And the state of anarchy that allowed for a spontaneous attack was due to Obama’s involvement in Libya in the first place.

      Of course, since Republicans supported that involvement, they can’t say much about that. And so they are left talking gibberish.

  • blakeadamssooners

    There is a bit of a disconnect. You do raise good points about the Republican Party.

    From a Conservative point of view, which the Republican Party has not practiced for over a decade, and certainly did not practice under W., the Benghazi debacle should have raised serious questions as to what we were doing in Libya in the first place.

    The Republicans raised no such questions. In fact, the only criticism was that Obama did not get involved soon enough.

    The fact is that if Obama truly understood why Iraq was a blunder, he would not have gotten the United States involved in the Libyan operation.

    Allow me to remind you that Obama promoted two incompetent Senators, who gave Bush a blank check on invading Iraq, to the Secretary of State position. He made another Senator who supported Bush on this matter his Vice President. Still another person, who admitted that the intelligence agencies were “sensitive” to forming analysis the way Bush wanted to see it, has been promoted by Obama to be our current C.I.A. director. That would be Mr. Brennan.

    Obama, who guessed right on Iraq, has never given a cohesive explanation as to why he “opposed” the invasion. As near as I can tell, he flipped on coin. He bears full responsibility for the situation in Benghazi.

    So while your critique of the Republicans is spot on, it doesn’t say much for the Democrats.

  • DIVIDE AND CONQUER

  • Hmm, State department officials stated, under oath (which wouldn’t bother Hillary) the the fund cuts had NOTHING to do with security cuts. Then why cut security when people on the ground are begging for more, but they get less. Someone set a bomb that blew a hole in the consulate ( just some guy because Obama said the terrorist are desamiated). All other international organization had pulled out because it was UNSAFE. The Ambassador’s last words to Washington was”we’re under attack” which just happened to arrive durning a previous planned meeting of the President and Secretary’s of State and Defense. Obama thld them to handle it, left and, until we hear otherwise, because a log exist, and is not heard from until he boards AF1 to go to a campaign event in Las Vegas.
    Strange, be has time to call the courageous nba player that came out as gay, but was too preoccupied to check on his Ambassador.
    They got Hillary out of State, and all of her achievements, before the defecation hits the air propulsion device.”What does it matter anyway! ”
    You are right, unless the media comes out of their closet, nothing will become of it. More serfs offered to the Lter of the progressive agenda.
    Where it could be fun is if it comes down to does it get hung on Obama or Hillary. The President has nothing to lose but, I’ll bet he would never take blame for anything. He hasn’t up till now, not likely to start.
    Batten down the hatches, now comes the progressive reaction!

  • Gman

    This is a bunch of crap and so skewed and political. You have people who were there completely negating the Obama administrations narrative. Some of the embassy whistle blowers were appointed by democrats. Listen to the evidence and quit being so bias. It is sickening that many of the democrats don’ care about the lives lost.

  • Gman

    This country is falling apart because no one is looking for truth. They only want to protect there partisan positions. If this had been GW Bush and these same questions were being raised about his credibility and role in this incident the tone would be very different. That’s what makes me sick. It is so evident the double standard.

  • Gman

    This country is falling apart because no one is looking for truth. They only want to protect there partisan positions. If this had been GW Bush and these same questions were being raised about his credibility and role in this incident the tone would be very different. That’s what makes me sick. It is so evident the double standard.

  • Gman

    This country is falling apart because no one is looking for truth. They only want to protect there partisan positions. If this had been GW Bush and these same questions were being raised about his credibility and role in this incident the tone would be very different. That’s what makes me sick. It is so evident the double standard.

  • Pat Barnett

    The two “parties” routinely use a far away issue to distract us from the fact that all they really do is spend as much of our money as they can on themselves and their cronies. All “aid” to foreign countries is simply bribe money that everyone that can get their fingers on it will stuff their pockets with. How do you think they can repay campaign bribes? Not here, too many eyes watching. So every issue is far, far away overseas. Every “party” that is out of “power” will use the playbook and accuse the other “party” of the same things that were in reverse just an administration ago. You fools endlessly fall for this dog and pony trick, stick to “party” lines, and re elect people like Pelosi, Frank, and Reid. (Not to mention Obama and voter fraud cheating.) Until you keep ousting these people from office that are robbing you blind you will get what you ask for. There are no parties it is a big scam, wake up.

  • JPinPA

    I see links to dispute numbers 1 & 2 but nothing for #3. Hmmm…

  • I wish they’d do away with party affiliations and just deal with the issues. There is too much blaming someone else just because they are from the “other” party. There are so many things that need fixed, but BOTH parties are too busy trying to out do the other and blame the other that they are forgetting what they were elected to do

  • daveb

    There they go again, Republicans shooting themselves in the foot. They didn’t learn from the election. Do they think we are so stupid that we can’t see what’s going on?

  • ok
    time to stir things up a little. For those who love the Clinton’s
    remember this, they are national socialists and part of the elite
    working to produce a New World Order in which you have absolutely no
    rights or voice. Obama is just another colour of the same thing, a
    national socialist having had his education from socialists and
    communists since his childhood. Now as for the Bush clan , they to are
    part of the NWO elite and Romney to. So who do you think you should be
    considering for a 2016 run? Well that depends on whether you believe in
    the Constitution as written and the United States being the only hope
    for liberty and justice for all. If you do then you will vote for
    anyone but the Clintons/Obamas/Bushs and Romneys of the world for they
    are creating an America in which the citizen has no rights only very
    temporarily granted privileges which some buerocrat can remove as they
    feel fit with your having no recorse to law.

    • Thank you for reminding me to go have a nutbar!!

      • Why a “nutbar”? He’s closer to the truth than we like to admit. Time to get your head out of the sand

  • Someone left men and to die witha seven hour window to sendhelp. Who ddidn’t act…who knew about it. When did the Pontus know. That’s all

  • miserableoldfart

    I do not believe Hillary Clinton is the best choice for president in 2016, but this blatant attempt to smear her with a nonexistent “scandal,” is disgusting. I do believe that 2016 should see a Democratic nominee who did NOT vote to give the idiot-boy-emperor authority to start a war in Iraq. THAT was the worst of Hillary Clinton.

  • You want to open up another scandal? I don’t think Hillary ever fell. I believe she had a blood clot, but they said she fell so it wouldn’t be a concern for her running in 2016.

  • HIllary is in up to her ears in this and is going down. Not only did they cover up the terror attack to win the election AFTER the fact, I believe they told the troops that could help to stand down for the same reason. They left these 4 brave Americans to die, left them behind and sent in no help whatsoever so they could hide the terror attack before the election. I think some might consider that murder.

  • You are so base that you don’t think anyone cares that people were murdered and Obama lied and covered it up. With Hillary who has a history of lying back from Whitewater or her lie that she was fired on in Bosnia helping him.

    And of course you also lie again and say only Republicans care about their lies and murders.

  • “What does it matter?” if we investigate Obama and Hillary’s cover up, since you say everything was told true and done right.

  • Alex

    Erm… good article overall… but excuse my contrariness but there WERE in fact chemical weapons found in Iraq, on their way out of the country. This was not reported on by the media because the media had decided to declare the war in Iraq a dismal flop and blame Bush for it, and reporting that he had been correct, even partially, would counteract that claim. Not trying to hate on anyone, but both sides of the aisle spin the media. I know attacking Republicans is your thing, and frankly I enjoy reading your articles, but this is one instance where you have to realize that Liberal Media has its flaws too.

    • wiredpup

      You need to stop reading infowars.

  • I am missing something here…. 4 American Deaths vs Thousands that died under Bush? I am not a math scholar, but I think thousands is more than 4….

    I believe they should go after and focus mostly on Cheney and Bush for war crimes and than focus on what happened.

    But that is me, and my common sense….

  • the one thing I see everyone leaving out is that those in charge of Africa command and the Admiral in charge of the Med fleet that had teams ready to go help. were TOLD TO STAND DOWN! and when they refused to stand down they were RELIEVED OF COMMAND WITHIN 30 -60 seconds. we are not talking about a platoon command or even a company command but a Fleet command and Continent Command. we are talking about 3 Star leaders were RELIVED of COMMAND for sending a rescue team that would have made a DIFFERENCE. Those Embassies attacked under Bush did not have 7+ hour firefights. They were BOMBED. So lets start comparing APPLES TO APPLES. the commanders in Charge were not RELIVED OF COMMAND FOR SENDING HELP. The case is not that they Died but the way they died because help could have saved some of them. there was time for the help to get there and if not save all 4 at least save 2 or 3 of them. The PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THE HELP FROM THE (FAST) teams that are designed for this were DENIED, BY SOMEONE HIGH UP IN THE ADMINISTRATION. THEY WERE TOLD TO STAND DOWN!

  • bouffy

    Uhhh, dude, Bush was WHITE!

  • There is so much factually wrong in the above article that it’s impossible to know where to begin. I wouldn’t expect anything less from Progressives. You guys make up your own facts everyday.

    First, it wasn’t an embassy. That’s important in a minute. But that alone defeats your insinuated argument that this was somehow the fault of the “Republicans” who cut “embassy spending” (all by their lonesome… as if they occupy 100% of the House, and the Senate might as well not even exist.)

    Ask yourself three questions… if you really care about the truth, then just answer three questions:

    1) WHY (not who… WHY) were the talking points changed (12 revisions) to scrub any mention of terrorism and to blame a damn YouTube video?

    2) WHO gave the Stand Down order on the night of 9/11/12?

    3) WHY was Amb. Stevens in Benganzi? The embassy is not in Benganzi. What was he doing there, who was he meeting, and what was in the Annex? Whatever the answer is to THIS question is the real story.

    But if you just want to “progress” to your social issues of the day, then don’t ask for the truth. Ignore Benganzi, Fast and Furious, IRS-gate, AP phone tapping… ignore it all.

  • Remember the USS Liberty?

  • Kathleen Puckett

    As a life long Democrat and staunch Obama supporter, I would ask that this issue would be addressed in a non bi-partisan way. It doesn’t matter what the motivation of people is, what matters is to seek the truth, no matter who is politically helped or harmed.